Islam Under Scrutiny by Ex-Muslims

Dialogue with a Potential Irani Apostate

I recently had some exchanges with a young Irani Muslim and a potential apostate. I have posted it below for your perusal. -- MA Khan.
 
Sub: I am very much confused

Dear friend,
I don’t know why I am sending this mail. I am Muslim to but I am very much confused .... after reading these articles. I don’t know what the truth is and how to dig it. Can you guide me...
Bye and take care.

MR Hussein



Dear Hussein,

Which article are you talking about? We guarantee that we tell the truth here. We advise you to study the Quran, hadith and Prophet's biographies. That will be sufficient for you to understand Islam. You will know why the butchery of innocent people is taking place in Mumbai.

MA Khan


 

Hi

Who are you? Are you Muslim? Your name is MA Khan.

It's really embarrassing to see people dying out there in the name of personalities to whom, I respect most. There are many other problem we are having in our society, like poverty, peoples are not having food to eat, pauper orphans not having cloths and food. Can't we think about them… Doing something nice with this world can also put our religion in light?

I am Iranee (Parshian). I have been thinking my forefathers had accepted such a great religion. But now every thing is changed.

Ok bye. I have to go.

MR Hussein



I was born to a Muslim family and lived nearly 35 years as a believing Muslim. So I have an Arabic name, which has nothing to do Islam. Arabic was not invented by Muhammad, Allah or Islam. It was language of the pagan.

Those of us, who run this site, are former Muslims. We are now atheists, freethinkers, humanists. We understand that all religions were created by some cunning men; others, such as Hinduism, grew as a civilizational culture.

We have the same concern as you: live a good human life, try to do good to others, definitely not harm. Islam, unfortunately, sees all non-Muslims, especially Hindus/idolaters as mortal enemy. Quran 9:5 commands Muslims to kill such people wherever found. On the basis of such commands of the Quran, Prophet Muhammad had wiped out all the idolatrous people of Arabia giving them a choice between Islam and death. To be noted that those idolaters of Arabia, including Muhammad's Quraysh tribesmen were very tolerant and nonviolent people. Read sira of the prophet to find it out.

I have always held the Persian in a very high esteem; they were a very worthy people; they had established a great civilization prior to Islam. Islam's success later was by absorbing the high achievements of the Persians. It is after the Abbasids [whose mothers were high-status Persian women (slaves)] embraced Persian culture and civilization that Islam threw away many Islamic-Arab scruples and embraced progressive ideas that made Islamic civilization a successful one.

Nonetheless, Persians did not happily embrace Islam; it was brutally imposed on them. Do you know that tens of thousands of Persians (Zoroastrians) fled to India to save their life, where they found welcome from Hindus. But there too, those Persian (Persis) could not live in peace. Islamic invaders later on came there too and persecuted them over the centuries. In 1079, Sultan Ibrahim Ghaznavi attacked Punjab where there had developed a Persian colony from those who had fled Muslim persecution in Persia. After doing a great slaughter, Sultan Ibrahim drove away 100,000 Persis as slaves to Ghazni. Generally, the slaves were forcibly converted to Islam and sold.

Islam almost obliterated Zoroastrians from Iran, but a few hundred thousand of them still survive in India. Muslims are desperately poor in India. But the community of Persis in India are rich and influential and, most of all, very peaceful.

They were more advanced than the Arabs in the 7th century; given equal opportunity, they still excel over those who embraced Muhammad's Arab cult.

I believe it would hurt you. I used to feel hurt in similar way when 6-7 years ago, when I stumbled into such websites. But after I read the Quran & Muhammad's biography, I was shocked to discover so much cruelty in Islam. I left it immediately. We advise, all Muslims to read the Quran, Sira and Sunnah to know Islam.

MA Khan



Dear friend,

As you told you are atheists, freethinkers and humanists… it’s ok… the question is, how you are surviving without community? As man is a social animal, it is impossible for him to live without community. What about your family? Are you married?

I also believe in freethinking; a man should be given right to think. "To think differently" is the reason behind development of mankind. Humanity is the first religion one should follow.
I am well aware of merciless killing of thousands of Parsshians by Muslim intruders. Then what is the roll of Mr. Ali in all this matter why shia (point is shia are Iranis) respect him so much.
Please reply

MR Hussein



It's a tough life for former Muslims; worse if he/she becomes a freethinker atheist. Personally for me, I live in a liberal society. Here, they do not bother much about whether you are Muslim or non-Muslim, religious or nonreligious. I do not feel that pressure which I would face in my home country, an Islamic one.

Of course, it comes with a good deal of sacrifice. I have lost many of the old Muslim friends. I have made some new ones too who would not mind my position on religion. They are mostly from other religious backgrounds. This helps me too. I interact with people of diverse faiths, try to understand their ideas on life; it enriches me: helps me improve as a human being, widens my understanding of the global human society.

I have also connected with ex-Muslim freethinkers all over the world. Modern technologies, cheap communication facilities allow us keep in touch like a family.

Most of all, I have support of my beloved wife. I have confidence of my family: some of whom have left Islam quietly after discussions with me. A couple of my best friends also have left Islam because of my influence. Of course, it's not the same simple a life; I don't tell everybody of my change in faith; I have to watch my words all the time. Still, living a free life (internally sometimes)—which we all deserve as we are born free—is worth whatever sacrifice comes with it. It gives me satisfaction that my sacrifice will hopefully give my children and grandchildren a life of freedom and liberty. Giving my best shot toward ensuring a life they deserve as free-spirited humans is immensely satisfying.

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Regarding your question of Iranian infatuation with Ali, I am not best aware of the religious aspects of the Iranian-Islamic history. You should probably inquire with Dr Ali Sina, the editor of faithfreedom.org, who is a brilliant Iranian scholar and ex-Muslim.

Let me still make a few comments on this query. The most incredible thing about Islam is that it instills in believers an absolute sense of Arab-Islamic cultural and religious supremacy. Once embraced Islam, they are willing to forgo their own cultural and civilizational values and heritage at any cost for substituting them with the Arab-Islamic culture and values. You can surely see it in your own country (Iran) now ongoing. At the time of Islam's birth, Iran was at the top of the world's civilizations while Arabia was one of the least developed, a primitive society. You can see how eager are the Mullahs to obliterate any traces of pre-Islamic Persian civilizational heritage that survive in Iran today. If my info is correct, the Mullahs are trying to demolish the monuments of Cyrus the Great, a great humane monarch of his time.

And this has happened to every people. You saw it in Mumbia the other day. Like in Iran, Islamic invaders imposed Islam on the Indians in the most cruel manner. It is estimated that Islamic invaders and rulers killed 60 to 80 million Indians. Now you can see that the offspring of those, on him Islam was imposed most brutally, are killing those Indian, whose forefathers resisted foreign Muslim invaders at great personal sacrifice. The implants—Indian in flesh, blood and gene—left by the Arab invaders are continuing the unfinished job of the failed Arabs of yore. I believe you are aware of how the few remaining Zoroastrians and Jews with older roots than Muslims in Iran suffer under the Mullahs. It's happening everywhere. Look at the Copts in Egypt.

Let me now make a guess on Iranian's love for Ali. My reading of Iranian history informs me that there was strong resentment among Persians against the Arabs from the earliest time. At the same time, it also had become a reality of life for the Iranians that they could not get rid of them. And accepting Islam to get privileged position and, at the same time, hating the tent-dwelling desert Arabs became a general trend amongst Persians. Until the ninth century or beyond, the Persian, whilst proudly calling themselves Muslim, disparaged the Arabs (who gave them Islam) calling them desert-squatters, tent-dwellers, lizard-eaters, sodomite barbarians, who had no achievements of their own and who learned manners from Persians.

Under this circumstance, embracing the party of Ali becomes quite relevant. Because it was Caliph Omar who brutally smashed the great Persian civilization and brought it down to the feet of Islamic Bedouin Arabs, he was hated intensely by the Iranians from the beginning; this hate continues to this day. You must be more aware of it than me, I believe. Abu lulu Firuzan, a Persian, killed Caliph Omar; he is seen as hero by many Iranians even today.

The thing is that, when there was an intense hate against the Arabs, particularly against Omar, and at the same time, getting of them, Islam in particular, was impossibleembracing the opponent party of Omar, i.e., Ali's Party, became a natural and, probably, the only option for the Persians to vent their anger. Ali, who opposed Omar, became a hero for the Iranians; he became the savior, the messiah, of the Iranian people.

This is my understanding of Ali's popularity amongst Iranians. This, I believe, is partly if not wholly true. Yet, this is entirely a guess from my reading of Persian-Islamic history. Since, no history book will tell us the reason; making "educated guess" is the only way to make sense of such big questions. I can be entirely wrong.

I believe you will get a more convincing answer from Dr. Ali Sina, whom I respect greatly; he was instrumental in my embracing rationalism and freethinking.

MA Khan



Dear friend,

That's nice you are in liberal environment. I am Indian, living in chauvinistic society. Here peoples are prejudiced; they don't want to see truth beyond there believes (Religion). I am having very well experience of Islamic society, they just keep dominating us because we are Iranies specially peoples belonging to higher cast like Syed, Khan etc refuse to marry girls from our community.

I am 24 and I am engineer as come in contacts with non Muslim society, it’s completely different. World is changing technologies are evaluating vary rapidly and this malicious Islam is destroying everything. I also want to walk away and some day I will.

Thanks for bringing some points in light. Please keep in touch with me..

Bye and take care.

Your friend

MR Hussein


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Name: qwer
Date: Thursday December 04, 2008
Time: 21:13:09 -0500

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Moslems, don't hesitate to convert to other religion. Your eyes has been opened that islam is a cruel, full of hatred, intolerance cult & full of sex abuse. Some of my friends now also confuse with their islam after reading many history behind the aya/verse never told before. Persia is a great kingdom in the past and destroyed by Mohammed + Arabic army. Why you don't embrace with your own Zoroaster, etc? Don't pray toward your conqueror anymore. Mohammed is stupid prophet and islam is stupid cult


Name: Bravo Mr. KHAN
Date: Thursday December 04, 2008
Time: 23:24:48 -0500

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Mr MA KHAN is certainly not alone. Apart from the loving support from his family, he belongs to the tribe of freethinkers, agnostics, athiests, humanists, and non religious people which constitute approx 10%of the American population.


Name: jackiebrownstone
Date: Thursday December 04, 2008
Time: 23:41:15 -0500

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It is tragic that so many good people get betrayed by the terrible and false religion of islam


Name: MA khan, a humnaist intelectual revolutionist
Date: Friday December 05, 2008
Time: 00:35:19 -0500

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MA khan, a humanist intellectual revolutionist. The great philosopher Karl Marx ahs said "THE PHILOSOPHERS HAVE ONLY INTERPRETED THE WORLD IN VARIOUS WAYS - THE POINT HOWEVER IS TO CHANGE IT" There will be very very few people in the world who introspect with inquisitiveness and decide to have positive and humanic impact. Ali Sins, MA khan ,etc.. all humanists are not alone. There  are thousands, (may be in millions soon) who respect and admire their wisdom and love to humanity. A doctor can save some lives in his life. but A humanist who dedicates entire life just to save humanity and rationalise is more valued social doctor. All religions have superstitions but islam is based on total lie as and hate. It is dangerous to both muslims and non-musilms.


Name: Who is alone
Date: Friday December 05, 2008
Time: 01:11:24 -0500

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My dear friend and brother Mr. MA Khan is not alone, apostates like me and millions of others who dont dare to speak out, well not just yet, are with him and Ali Sina. Soon you will be seeing a revolution in which you will see that Ex-Muslims wil publically make nonsese of the Fatwas of the Mullahs. IF you are from Iran then let me tell you that the Persians are leaving Islam in droves. Some of them are reverting back to Zoroastrian religion others to Christianity and yet others are just following the religion of Humanity. If you look around you will find many others with questions in their minds. Just that they dont dare to speak up. Soon they will be able to say what they want. Be sure you are one of them.


Name: Leave islam urgently.
Date: Friday December 05, 2008
Time: 02:01:20 -0500

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Am an indian and I recommend MR Hussein to leave immediately. You may join Iskon, Christianity or if you are not fond of the community you may approach Arya Samaj or even Buddhism. Come out and take shelter in other religion then you may research yourself and find the true path which suits you. Atheism got a drawback that you have to defend continuosly the society in India, because here religion plays a very important role in social life.


Name: DONT JOIN CHRISTIANITY AS ITS AS BLOOD THIRSTY AS ISLAM
Date: Friday December 05, 2008
Time: 02:47:34 -0500

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DONT JOIN CHRISTIANITY BCOZ ITS AS BLOOD THIRSTY AS ISLAM.PLS CHK FOLL SITES : http://www.evilbible.com/ .....ITS NOT REALLY IMPORTANT TO BELIEVE IN ANY GOD/ALLAH.no god/allah created man from mud/dirt, man is evoled by nature who is the only true and provable god.proof is in our genes and dna.


Name: islam is false bcoz allah is imaginary and did not create man from mud/dirt
Date: Friday December 05, 2008
Time: 02:49:02 -0500

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to : all muslims who make false claim that allah created man so he must be worshipped : man is not created by any false imaginary allah,but evolved by nature the true god,from 1 celled organisms,and proof is in our genes and dna.so worship truth=nature,not imaginary arab deity allah.also a very interesting fact : ITS KNOWN FACT THAT MAN HAS X-Y CHROMOSOMES AND WOMAN HAS Y-Y CHROMOSOMES.if allah created man he must hv x-y chromosomes,and if allah created woman from man who has y-y chromosomes from where this imaginary allah got the extra y chromosome for women ? same way fake book koran claims that jesus is virgin born,if so and if jesus is male,then from where di his "x" chromosome come ? did allah grow testicles to penetrate mary ? muslims dont give false answers pls give only truth based answers.u will realise that all claims of quran r based on falsehood that allah created man,but once u udnerstand truth that jehova/allah did not create man,u will understand its just another FAIRY TALE BOOK.dont believe in koran berlieve only in truth


Name: The once great Persians of ancient history
Date: Friday December 05, 2008
Time: 02:53:59 -0500

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It is sad to note that the Persians (Iranians) lost their cultural prominence today under Islam. They were one of the great peoples of ancient world history. But now Islam had degenerate these once great people. The same can be said of the Iraqis, the Egyptians, the people of India and others who had lost their ancient prestige because of Islamic subjugation.


Name: MONOATHEISM LEADS TO APOSTACY MORE EASILY THAN POLYATHEISM
Date: Friday December 05, 2008
Time: 03:10:50 -0500

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MONOATHEISM LEADS TO APOSTACY MORE EASILY THAN POLYTHEISM.IN MONOATHEISM U HV TO BELIEVE IN 1 GOD AND TO LEAVE FAITH IN 1 GOD IS EASY [ I AM A PERFECT EXAMPLE I AM EX-MUSLIM LEAVING FAITH IN FALSE ALLAH IS EASY ].BUT I HAVE SEEN POLYTHEISTS WHO WORSHIP MANY GODS LIKE THEY PRAY TO MANY GODS AND THUS THEY HAVE FAITH IN GODS [ ULTIMATELY EVERYTHING IS PART OF NATURE ].ITS VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO LEAVE ALL BELIEF TOTALLY,IE THEY MAYBE LOOSE FAITH IN 1 GOD BUT FALL BACK ON ANOTHER GOD.OR AFTER SOEM TIME AGAIN FAITH IN SOME GOD ETC...HAVING OBVSERVED POLYTHEISTS VERY CLOSELY ALL MY LIFE I THINK MONOATHEISM HAS A BUILT IN PROPENSITY OR TENDENCY TO CREATE APOSTATES MORE EASILY,IE DISBELIEVERS IN ALLAH/JESUS R MORE AS ITS EARIER TO LOOSE FAITH IN IMAGINARY FALSE ARABIC DEITY ALLAH.THUS I HOPE SOME DAY EVERYONE SEES THE LIGHT OF TRUTH AND LEAVES RELIGION ALL TOGETHER. WORSHIP TRUTH=NATURE.WORSHIP OF NATURE SHUD BE = KIND LOVING AND HUMAN AND HELP ALL,HATE NONE.AND OFCOURSE LIVING AN ECO FRIENDLY LIFE.


Name: To MR Hussein, from scrutator
Date: Friday December 05, 2008
Time: 05:07:29 -0500

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Dear M R Hussein, Its good you live in India, I am an Indian living in Europe and I go to India every year. Both you and I know India has an open society where people of all faiths and of none co-exist happily. You should mix more with non-muslims (Hindus, Christians, Sikhs, agnostics, etc) and your horizons will broaden. The root cause of all the sufferings Islam brings, I feel, is its intolerance. If only they could accept an alternative point of view different from their own, things would have been much better. In India, there is a saying " There are many paths to the same goal" -- clearly, muslims do not believe in this, hence have been killing people with different ideologies from Mohammed's time. My heart grieves at how Mohammed massacred non-muslim Meccans to bring them around to his point of view, the same with Persians and with peoples sourrounding Arabia. In India, muslim zealots achieved only partial success (converted only a small percentage, to begin with) and that is the reason for their anger against non-muslim Indians. Arabs cite India as the "unfinished business" ! However, in this age of technological advancement and the internet, times have changed; its now 'pay back time' for the muslims and for all the atrocities they have committed. Slowly but surely, muslims will start to come out of Islam; this exit will one day become a deluge, surging towards the demise of Islam. I would like to keep it touch with you and with M R Hussein, please feel free to correspond with me at [email protected]


Name: Spiritualism
Date: Friday December 05, 2008
Time: 07:14:06 -0500

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Brother, You can be a pure spiritual person by joining a meditation system and meditating on the self in the form of light in the heart. For this you need not belong to any religion. You have to be true to yourself and do not harm others by deed or by thought.


Name: Non Muslim
Date: Friday December 05, 2008
Time: 09:10:40 -0500

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Although I am not religious there is one faith in India I respect: Jainism with its great reverence for not only human life but life in general.


Name: lw1
Date: Friday December 05, 2008
Time: 15:44:09 -0500

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I am not a Christian,but in Britain some Christians are afraid to put up Christmas trees in case it offends people of other religions (!).Christians have as much right as anyone to celebrate it the way they like,provided they don't do anything wrong.Other religious festivals are celebrated here eg Diwali,Vaishakhi and Idd in Traralgar Square. I find Christians very welcoming and caring people.The Muslims in their countries do not care about other religions and in fact persecute many people.As for Christianity being bloodthirsty, the writings in the Bible does not mean the Christians follow them or want to follow them.Christianity has moved on.There are pockets of fundamentalist Christians and there are complaints in India about forcible convesions-in whatever form.But that is not the main driving force in Christianity.Many Christians give generously and volunteer for third world countries.Main motive of the Muslims is to convert the whole world to Islam,whatever the means, terrorism,taqqiya and any similar actions.Of course they are blind to the chaos and injustices in Muslim countries.


Name: re MONOTHEISM LEADS TO
Date: Friday December 05, 2008
Time: 22:13:18 -0500

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I guess you are talking about pantheism. Good idea anyway.


Name: To, MR Hussein
Date: Saturday December 06, 2008
Time: 09:45:12 -0500

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Dear M R Hussein,and MA Khan Thanks for the article posted. I am Dr.D.M. doing research in USA. I am a non-practicing hindu. Rarely practice it. What is important is human values, love, compassion and respect for every human being. Some of the things written in religious books are not compatible with human values. In Quran some verses contradict the human values and dignity. Islam creates a mental blockade when Quran is followed word by word. I have to go for now. Best wishes, Dr.D.M.


 
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