Quran’s story of prophet Lut and the homosexuals of Sodom
24 Aug, 2007
Allah has stated in the Quran [7:56]:
“Do no mischief on the earth, after it hath been set in order, but call on Him with fear and longing (in your hearts): For the Mercy of Allah is (always) near to those who do good.”
We believe Allah made the above statement when Muhammad had
succeeded in eradicating Paganism, Judaism and Christianity from the
soil of the Arabian Peninsula. The phrase “after it hath been set
in order” leads us to our conclusion.
Requiring the people who had lost their ancestral religions to His
whim to ‘call on Him with fear,’ Allah demanded that they also ‘long
for Him in their hearts,’ as if they had become His paramours!
Allah’s call on the people to fear Him was unnecessary, as they had
already begun to dread Him after seeing Him bring about destructions
and death to those who had tried to defy His wish. His demand to
“long for Him in their hearts” was dictatorial in nature, for this
is what dictators are known to have required of their subjects after
inflicting severe harm on them.
While making the above demands on His victims, Allah had forgotten
one vital aspect of human nature, it being: fear does not generate
love, or longing of a person or a thing. To many of His victims,
Muhammad or Allah was a hated being, a fact that He Himself has
acknowledged by stating:
“They swear by Allah that they are indeed of you; but they are not of you: yet they are afraid (to appear in their true color). If they could find a place to flee to, or caves, or a place of concealment, they would turn straightway thereto with an obstinate rush” {to save themselves from His wrath}.[1]
Allah knew that He was dreaded by people, as the above statement
tells us, yet He expected them to long for Him! His expectation
makes us wonder: Was He in His senses when He made the statements,
or if it was something He wanted from the people, despite their
hatred of Him and of His actions?
Claiming like a pretender, a story-teller and a megalomaniac, that
it is He who sends forth the winds as harbingers of His mercy, which
He shows to mankind by bringing dead land to life by letting water
pour upon it , thus bringing forth all kinds of fruit, Allah took to
narrating the story of Noah, one of His many apostles, who lived for
950 years, and ended it by telling His listeners how He had saved
him and those who were with him in the Ark and also how He
overwhelmed in the flood those who had rejected His Signs purely
with the intention of frightening His Pagan listeners into His
slavery. He then followed Noah’s story with the story of apostle Hud,
who, as the Arabian tradition has it, lived among a people who
occupied a tract of land,[2] in Southern Arabia, extending from Oman
at the mouth of the Persian Gulf to Hadhramaut and the Yemen at the
southern end in the Red Sea, but without telling us as to in which
period of time they lived here. His people had refused to accept him
as a prophet of Allah, believing he was an imbecile and a liar.
Enraged by their audacity and ignorance, and their demand of a
calamity, Allah continued, He sent a cloud (cyclone) traversing the
sky in the night and when the people of Hud got up in the morning,
they found their houses completely destroyed. After the destruction
was over, Hud told the people: punishment and wrath have already
come upon you from your Lord: “Dispute ye with me over names
which ye have devised – without authority from Allah? Then wait: I
am amongst you, also waiting.”[3]
Following Hud’s challenge to his people, Allah proudly announced:
“We saved him and those who adhered to him, by Our Mercy, and We cut
off the roots of those who rejected Our Signs and did not believe.”
Allah also told His audience:
7:73: “To the Thamud people (We sent) Salih, one of their own brothers: He said: “O may people! Worship Allah; ye have no other god but Him. Now hath come unto you a clear (Sign) from your Lord! This she-camel of Allah is a Sign unto you: So leave her to graze in Allah’s earth, and let her come to no harm, or ye shall be seized with a grievous punishment.”
7:77: “Then they ham-strung the she-camel, and insolently defied the order of their Lord, saying: “O Salih! Bring about thy threats, if thou art an apostle (of Allah)!”
7:78: “So the earthquake took them unawares, and they lay prostrate in their homes in the morning.”
Relying on one of the folklores of the Arabian Peninsula, Allah
narrated for the information of His audience how He had destroyed a
whole people, called Thamudites, on account of their refusal to
believe in Allah who, according to one of their own men, turned
apostle, was worthy of their worship.
It appears to us that from the time Allah had created the earth, He
had been having one problem after another with man, one of His
creations. Every time, He tried to correct the man’s way of life
through the good offices of His prophets and apostles, He faced
difficulties and rebellions from him. Allah’s sufferings seem to
have ended with the arrival and departure of Muhammad, for,
recognizing the fact that he had been able to direct all the people
of the world to His true path, He stopped sending prophets to our
earth. Apostles are, however, still coming, and they will continue
to come until the end of the world, though ordinary humans will not
recognize them for the reasons that are known only to all-knowing
Allah.
Before Muhammad’s arrival, Allah deputed on earth a large number of
prophets and apostles to help Him guide His creations, which
included man and Jinn, to His righteous path. In keeping with His
policy, He sent, a long time ago, Salih to his people the Quran
calls the Thamudites.
The Thamud people are believed to have lived between Medina and
Syria. Their land included both rocky country and the spacious
fertile valley and plains of Qura, which begins just north of
Medina. When Apostle Muhammad in 631 A.D. led his expedition to
Tabuk against the Roman forces, on a reported Roman invasion from
Syria, he and his men came across the archaeological remains of the
Thamud. This explains the presence of the Thamudites’ story in the
Quran.
Armed with Allah’s mandate, Salih asked his fellow citizens to
worship none, but Allah, of whom he claimed he was an apostle, and
at whose instruction he came to salvage them from their
self-destructive religious practices. The Thamudites refused to
accept his instruction, and, instead, demanded of him to produce
before them a she-camel so that they could satisfy that he was,
indeed, an apostle of Allah.
Confident of Allah’s support, Salih prayed to Him and He produced a
she-camel from the belly of a hill. Immediately after her emergence,
she gave birth to a foal. She also produced so much of milk as was
needed to feed the entire population of the Thamudite people. His
mission accomplished, Salih left the miraculous she-camel with them
and wandered off.
Proud of being impervious to any harm, the Thamudites hamstrung the
she-camel for the reason that she had become a threat by her
enormous size to other camels they owned. This action of theirs
infuriated Allah, and in a fit of anger, He caused an earthquake
that killed all of the insolent Thamudites.
The rationale or justification behind Allah’s decision to obliterate
a whole nation for an offence some of its people had committed by
ham-stringing a she-camel notwithstanding, we note a contradiction
in the narration Allah has given of the event. According to the
verse under discussion, at least two, if not many, men had killed
the she-camel. This claim is repeated in verse 26:157 and 91:14. But
verse 54:29 tells us a different story; according to it, the killer
of the she-camel was a single person.
To many, the above contradiction may appear to be a minor one, but
it will become significant when it is taken to have come from
Allah’s mouth. There is no denying the fact that we often make
mistakes in selecting our words, but this was not supposed to be a
case with Allah; He is infallible and all-knowing, and as such, if
He made a mistake, no matter how small, then He is not what He says
He is. A fallible deity is a danger for the world. He should,
therefore, be thrown out of our lives. And the sooner it is done,
the better it would be for us as well as for our world.
The Thamudites’ heartbreaking story over, Allah took to narrating to
His audience the biblical story of Lut[4] - one of His apostles -
who lived in Cannon, a city of Palestine, along with his uncle
Abraham, the founder of Monotheism.. From here, Lut was called by
Allah to take up his residence concurrently in the cities of Sodom
and Gomorrah and to preach to their people against homosexuality.
They were wicked, because their entire male population, so it seems,
had become homosexuals, thus threatening the existence of their
race. Lut was not related to the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, hence
an outsider to them.
When Lut asked the people of both the cities not to indulge in
homosexual acts, they threatened to drive them out the city, saying:
these are, indeed, men who want to be clean and pure. The fact that
the people of the cities wanted to drive ‘them’ out of them tells us
that Lut was not alone in asking the people to stop their sexual
preference; rather, some other good and pious men had joined him in
his crusade against the homosexual practice of the people.[5]
Taking notice of the people’s determination not to give up their
homosexual practice, Allah decided to eliminate homosexuality from
the face of the earth along with its practitioners. For this
purpose, He transformed two angels into handsome young men and
instructed them to proceed towards the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah.
On their way to their destination, the angels turned-young men met
Abraham. To him, the angels were the Messengers of Allah[6] with
rank and status of Allah’s apostle (Rasul in Arabic). He invited
them to a sumptuous meal, but they refused to eat, as angels do not
need food for their survival. On the expression of mistrust, the
angels allayed his fear by declaring their true identity and the
mission they were on to destroy the people of Lut. They also told
him that he was going to be the father of a son.[7]
Abraham’s wife, who was standing nearby, giggled when she heard the
conversation between the angels and her husband. Hearing her giggle,
Allah established direct communication with her and gave her glad
tidings of Isaac, and after him, of Jacob. She could not believe
what Allah was telling her, as she was an old woman, and her husband
an old man. Similar question Abraham also had for the angels.
Finding her not believing in Allah, the angels came to His aid and
interjected: Dost thou wonder at Allah’s decree? They also declared
Allah’s grace and blessings on her and on all the people who lived
in her house, for He was indeed worthy of all praise, full of all
glory!
While Allah and the angels were talking to Abraham’s wife, Abraham
seemed to have disappeared from their midst to cast off his fear of
the angels from his mind. When the news of the impending destruction
of the Lut’s people was relayed to him, he began pleading with Allah
to spare the homosexuals’ lives, as he, unlike Allah, was a kind
man. Allah shrugged him off saying: “Seek not this, the decree of
thy Lord hath gone forth: for them there cometh a Penalty that
cannot be turned back.”[8]
Allah cannot turn back the Penalty, as doing so is not in His
nature. Once He orders a strike on a people He created, He sticks to
it, no matter how seriously and benignly His would-be victims seek
His forgiveness. No amount of beseeching moves Him; not even the
cries of the newborn babies, infants, old and the infirm. With an
uncompromising principle He rules over His Kingdom and all the
subjects He has planted on it!
The Rasuls (or the apostles of Allah) i.e. the angels reached Lut
and told him why they were at his doorsteps. Being a kind man, he
was grieved by the fact that his fellow citizens will soon perish
for the crime of having become homosexuals with Allah’s full
knowledge. They infested highways and committed their horrible
crimes not only secretly, but also openly and publicly, even in
their assemblies.’[9] He warned them of Allah’s retaliation against
them, if they did not desist from their abominable practice. They
paid no heed to him, thinking his threat was a hoax.
The news that two young and handsome men were staying in Lut’s house
spread like a wild fire in the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. All the
men of both the cities rushed to his house to have sex with Lut’s
guests. He will not let them touch his guests, as it was his duty to
protect his guests from their onslaught. Finding it impossible to
keep his guests safe from the lusting men, and knowing that there
was not a single right minded man among them, he offered his two
daughters to them for satisfying their uncontrollable passion. While
offering his two daughters to a mob of men, Lut did not care, if his
daughters would have survived the ordeal the men would have
subjected them to, had they accepted his offer.
Declining his offer, all the men insisted that Lut hand over his
guests to them. Finding him helpless, the angels told him:
““O Lut! We are Messengers from thy Lord: By no means shall they reach thee! Now travel with thy family while yet a part of the night remains, and let not any of you look back: but thy wife (will remain behind): To her will happen what happens to the people. Morning is their time appointed: Is not the morning nigh?””[10]
Since the above statement of the angels did not include Lut’s
adherents, who were also to be saved from destruction, Allah had the
angels correct themselves later, saying: “We have been sent to a
people (deep) in sin, excepting the adherents of Lut: them we are
certainly (charged) to save (from) harm,-”[11] thus setting the
record straight.
As instructed by the angels, Lut, his wife and his two daughters
left their home before the sun rise and began walking out of their
city. After they had gone a distance, Allah caused a shower of
brimstones[12] to rain down on the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and
obliterated not only both the cities, He also killed all of their
inhabitants, including all the women of both the cities as well as
Lut’s adherents, who are not believed to have ever practiced
homosexuality in their lives. Allah also killed Lut’s wife,[13]
because she, being attracted by the deafening sound of destruction
and carnage, had looked back to see what was happening to the cities
and their inhabitants.
What happened, reader may like to know, to Lut and his two
daughters, and if they left behind any descendents on earth? The
Bible provides answer to the question.
According to it, Lut and his two daughters began living in a cave of
Zo’ar. The first born of his two daughters said to the younger: Our
father is old and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us
after the manner of all the earth. Come, let us make our father
drink wine, and then we will lay with him, that we may preserve seed
of our father.
One night, Lut’s daughters plied their father with wine, and then
the first born somehow raped her father, for a completely drunk man,
who could not recognize his own daughters, could hardly have an
arousal. The following night, the younger one did the same thing to
her father, thus both of his daughters becoming the bearers of his
children.
Jehovah, the God of the Bible, did not stop Lut’s daughters from
committing incest with their father, as He lost His ability to
create humans without a man and woman after creating Adam in heaven
and as such, He needed their help for keeping one of the human races
alive. Otherwise, there was no reason for Him to tolerate the
commission, by Lut’s daughters, one of the ugliest incestuous acts
in the history of mankind.
The first born gave birth to a son and he was named Moab, the same
is the father of the Moabites until today. The younger one also gave
birth to a son, and he was called Ben-am’mi; the same is the father
of the children of Ammon until today.[14] Their descendants live
with us, we failing to recognize them.
The biblical story relating to Lut’s daughters’ sexual encounters
with him was too much even for Muhammad to stomach; he, therefore
omitted it from the Quran. But has it made the Quran holier than the
Bible? And also, did Allah’s indiscrete killing of both the sinners
and the pious make Him a compassionate, kind, merciful and a
judicious Deity?
[1] The Quran; 9:56 & 57.
[2] Cf. The Quran; 46:28.
[3] The Quran; 7:71.
[4] Lot of Gen; 19:1.
[5] Cf. The Quran;15:59.
[6] The Quran; 11:69.
[7] The Quran; 15:53.
[8] The Quran; 11:76.
[9] The Quran; 29:29.
[10] The Quran; 11:81.
[11] The Quran; 15:58 & 59.
[12] The Bible says the brimstone was accompanied by fire; Gen:
19:24.
[13] The Bible says Lut’s wife became a pillar of salt; Gen: 19:26.
[14] Gen; 19:30-36.
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Name: Godot
Date: Friday August 24, 2007
Time: 08:08:39 -0700
Comment
Very interesting yet not surprising. This preposterous story and many others are not limited to Quran. As we know, Islam borrowed, adapted and copied many of these stories form its two predecessor "monotheistic" religions. The three religions need to be equally criticized for perpeturating similar ludicrous paraboles in their holy books. Maybe it is a good idea to focus on Islam, especially in this site, but permanent tunnel vision is not a "virtue"!
Name: Re: Godot
Date: Friday August 24, 2007
Time: 18:19:17 -0700
Comment
Are you trying to claim the Bible hasn't ben held to historical, scientific, and moral scrutiny?
Name: vbv
Date: Saturday August 25, 2007
Time: 03:12:57 -0700
Comment
Both bible and koran are immoral.Mo did not include the story of Lot commiting incest with his daughters,otherwise the muslims would have found justification in in dulging in this unholy ,lewd,barbaric and horrendous act of raping their own daughters with impunity and also the ever-overzealous mullahs sanctifying the act"Amen"! Not only that the bible in the 'Genesis'has another unholy patriarch 'Judas' ( not the contemporary of Jesus) indulging in sex with his own daughter-in -law.This is the story of Judah and Tamar in Genesis 38.So much for the holymen and wha moral disasters they are!Solomon was a rotten fucker! Aben! to all the holy fuckers!
Name:
Date: Saturday August 25, 2007
Time: 03:39:04 -0700
Comment
A. Judah (not Judas) isn't a patriarch. B. Tamar was not his daughter-in-law at the time. At least you got the book and chapter correct.
Name: vbv
Date: Saturday August 25, 2007
Time: 20:21:10 -0700
Comment
Not only the book and the chapters are right ,but also the story of Judah and his affair with his daughter in-law is abolutely correct. Further,after his first son,Er, is killed by 'god because he is supposedly wicked' ,Judah asks his second son ,Onan, to do his duty to take Tamar to bed to beget a progeny .Onan doesn't impregnate her as he drips his semen on the floor after having sex with Tamar.So the'good god' gets angry at this 'transgression' and kills Onan ,too.Thereafter Judah sends his d-in law to her parent's house from where she conspires to sleep with her father in-law to beget a progeny ' who thinks she was a prostitute. The 'good god' was happy and so were the the 'family' of Judah. Whew! What a steamy and sleazy story, a recipe that beats modern pornography! So much for the great patriarchs/prophets/chosen men of the 'good god' and the so-called god himself,one so depraved!
Name: vbv
Date: Saturday August 25, 2007
Time: 20:37:50 -0700
Comment
Lot/Lut's incest with his own daughters is unparellaled in the anals of any scripture. That the so-called god approves such moral depravity while he wreaks total destruction of the Sodomites for their supposedly immoral sexual licence speaks volumes for the double standards practiced by the so-called god-'your wrong is doubly wrong but my wrong is doubly right'.That is the state of morality of the 'Abrahamic' religions, while their followers put on airs of superiority before the 'pagan' , 'polytheists', 'animalists ' ,'voodooists',etc. as though they( the middle-eastern Monotheists) are in any way better than the rest. Atleast the others are not intolerant and did not go about killing ,raping and plundering in the name of spreading their religion and pleasing their immoral ,bloodthirsty ,violent and sadistic 'god'.
Name:
Date: Sunday August 26, 2007
Time: 01:19:57 -0700
Comment
Again, read the story. Since his sons were dead, the in-law relationship was dead as well. And when Judah met Tamar again her face was covered and he didn't know it was her.
Name: vbv
Date: Sunday August 26, 2007
Time: 04:27:00 -0700
Comment
I see you can wear a veil and indulge in anything,heh? If your sons are dead ,you mean to say that you can claim your daughters in-law, the logic is quaint ,not to say highly immoral!
Name:
Date: Sunday August 26, 2007
Time: 05:00:54 -0700
Comment
Why would I wear a veil? Are you a 12 year old? As for the story of Judah and Tamar, he never "claimed her" as you indicate. When Judah meets her again, her face is covered and so he doesn't recognize her. The last time they met he sent her back to her parents to wait for his youngest son to come of age to marry her. The custom then was for the widowed wife to marry one of her brother-in-laws. There's nothing immoral about that even if it seems strange to you and I.
Name: vbv
Date: Sunday August 26, 2007
Time: 21:59:55 -0700
Comment
I am not a 12 year old. Well, the Starting of the Bible ( the first chapter in the book "Genesis") and the story of the 'creation' requires suspension of commonsense. the Story goes like this :- On Day 1- god said 'let there be light' and there was light! what light ,heh? A zillion wats electric bulb,heh? Because god created the sun and the moon only on the 4th day, while plants were created by him on the third day itself, and plants were having photosynthesis wihout the sun , itself. How daft the author of this silly story can be? Finally he creates Adam and Eve,Adam from clay and Eve from the ribs of Adam.The talking snake entices Eve to eat the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge planted by the god in the center of the garden of Eden,forbiding anyone to eat the fruit because it will enlighten you and make you distinguish good from evil,know that you were roaming the garden unclothed,etc. What sadist the god can be?Well, after Eve eats the fruit and induces Adam to eat it also'god' the omnipotent, all-knowing comes to know of it and curse all of them and chases them out of the garden of Eden.The talking snake lost its power of speech and could henceforth only 'hissss',and Eve was cursed to suffer great pain in pregnancy and childbirth ,while Adam could no longer just loiter around and just eat and defecate,but toil in the fields to produce whatever he can eat.What about the other poor animals- such as the bovine,the feline,the rodents, the marsupials,etc.? Did they have their Adams and Eves ,that they lose their power of speech that they can only "bow-wow;meow-meow;oink-oink;roarrr;moo-moo;"etc. for no fault of theirs. Worse they cannot even get clothed that they still roam naked as Adam and Eve in Eden,and stillworse gods finest creature 'man' exploits them, kills them as he pleases,roasts and boils their flesh to consume them,treats them just as beasts of burden,decimates them as vermins,etc. Infact all cruelity is inflicted on those poor animals ! What greater sin they must have committed in the eyes of your god to suffer such a fate generation after generation? Well, Well, can you believe in such a stupid,silly moronic story not even fit for a 5 year old ? And you have no compunction to insult me as a 12 year old .Hahahahahaha! So there!The story of creation does not even have a decent moral ,leave alone anything appealing to simple commonsense.All religious books were written in the primitive era of humankind ( I use the term 'humankind' and not mankind since I believe that women are our equal partners in our culture,civilisation and in every aspect of our life).It is ludicruous to fall back on such stories and insult our more evolved intelligence,both biologically and morally, and give our modern thinkers,scientists,writers,etc. their due respect.Harking back to religion is regressive and may lead us all to intolerance and to another era of 'dark age', by holding scriptures as sacred and above any criticism. It is always best to have a critical mind, a pinch of skepticism,rational thinking and above all be receptive to sane views.Thank you for the opportinity to express myself.
Name:
Date: Monday August 27, 2007
Time: 00:16:59 -0700
Comment
vbv - the problem with your reading is that you take everything at face value. should we dismiss shakespeare because he wrote of ghosts and witches as well? the story of adam and eve is understood by those who've actually studied the bible to be a story of maturity. before adam and eve ate the fruit and gained wisdom, they assumed eternal life for themselves and why not? they were the first people and had not known another human to die. any child psychologist today will tell you that is exactly the mentality children carry. they do not have the sense of their own mortality that adults have. so adam and eve were not exactly cursed. they would have died anyway. the difference became that they became aware of it and that is the "curse". this isn't much different than the buddha's 4 visions which brought him towards enlightenment - should we dismiss the Buddha's enlightenment as the rantings of a formerly naive, spoiled prince? and that people have to work instead of having everything provided for them and women suffer in child birth while animals do not is a fact which the story tries to account for. as for the treatment of animals, it isn't true that animals can be mistreated. although you would be correct in saying that eastern faiths like hinduism and jainism are far better in their respect towards animals.
Name: vbv
Date: Monday August 27, 2007
Time: 00:49:26 -0700
Comment
Continuing with the above comment of mine ,why should other animals follow Adam,Eve and the snake from god's Eden? Only those three have sinned ,why shouldn't the other species created by 'god' be allowed to continue to stay in Eden?The poor, dumb animals could have been spared the cruel fate of exploitation,estermination and needless tortures inflicted by the 'descendents of Adam and Eve'.Certainly your 'holy god '/ 'holy Allah/Yahweh' is not really holy or merciful as those scriptures claim.They are downright cruel,barbaric and sadistic! Now if you apply the Darwinian theory of evolution and process of natural selection everything falls in place scientifically and truly.This Universe is infinite,evolving always,this planet and solar system is not created in 4004 BC as per Biblical/Koranic theology,but billions of years of evolution, of which we are all a part of. In the gelogical time-scale our human existence is very miniscule and yet we have the temirity to denigrate all other beings ,not realising that in the process of evolution our days are also numbered.Therefore why shouldn't we all live the life to the fullest ,enjoying it ,not in fear of an imaginary 'god' ,getting bamboozled into an expectation of an fictional heaven/hell. Religion- Chrtianity/Judaism/Islam (more so islam) - only teaches intolerance and violence against fellow human beings .Of the religions islam is the worst ,most intolerant ,bigoted,most violent and the most backward.
Name:
Date: Monday August 27, 2007
Time: 02:21:05 -0700
Comment
vbv - there's nothing about the creation story which contradicts the theory of evolution. if you notice, creation moves from simple to complex objects/beings. isn't that evolution? I agree that the literal interpretation of the Creation story, as in the belief that the world was created in 6 24 hour periods is silly but most see it as 6 periods of time characterized by that stage of creation. furthermore, what has the bible to do with the exploitation of the animals. do you mean to claim in areas where hinduism and buddhism are dominant, animals are not used for labor and transporation? And where does the Bible proscribe cruelty for animals? True the Bible doesn't forbid the eating of some animals but it doesn't order it either and their are laws regarding the proper care for them. "Therefore why shouldn't we all live the life to the fullest ,enjoying it ,not in fear of an imaginary 'god' ,getting bamboozled into an expectation of an fictional heaven/hell." - Agreed. This is the lesson of Adam and Eve. By committing the sin and feeling shame for the first time, they learned that they make choices and that their choices have meaning and consequences which they are responsible for. And by making correct choices, one can live a longer, fuller, happier life. Perhaps when you find where the Bible tells us to treat animals with cruelty, you can also find where it teaches us that God will punish us with everlasting pain in Hell for any wrong-doing.
Name: totally crass
Date: Monday August 27, 2007
Time: 04:50:07 -0700
Comment
for the muslims to talk about homosexuality and incest. Last time I checked homosexuality, incest and bestiality are normal activities for muslims. If allah is about the kill them all we wouldn't have anymore a muslim problem
Name: vbv
Date: Tuesday August 28, 2007
Time: 05:04:20 -0700
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To ..... in reply to your comment dated 27,August,2007.---- I think you have not understood what I am driving at.I am saying that it is all very well for your 'god' to punish Adam, Eve and the snake to banish them to Earth. Why should the other animals follow them to Earth, when they have not committed any sin, even as per your own Bible? God should have allowed them to continue living in Eden the Paradise under his direct benign gaze, instead even they are also consigned alongwith Adam Eve and the snake to this Earth. Or do you mean to say the so-called god created one more set of those animals for the convenience of Adam & Eve. This is qaint logic that defies common sense! Mind you,I am not a votary for any religion and disbelief spreads to all religions, not against any particular religion Hinduism- Buddhism-Christianity-Islam-Judaism-Voodooism-Animism-Zoroastrianism, etc. Please don't say Biblical creation is also akin to evolution, you sound like a muslim claiming all science till date and those yet to be discovered by humans emanates from the Koran , which is so absurd and laughable and also a great insult to the scientists who spent a lifetime of dedication and striving to arrive at the Truth. Mind you science is not dogmatic as religion , it evolves and changes as it develops .It rejects any finding ,if new information disproves an earlier state of knowledge and does'nt swear by it at any cost. It is rational,reasonable and gives freedom for rigid beliefs. I would go so far as to say that is the true elixir of our life, what with modern medicenes, communications, technology, engineering marvels, etc. which are worthy of admiration,while we still look back at tooth-fairy-like stories and superstitions as though they are real !
Name: suherman
Date: Wednesday August 29, 2007
Time: 08:42:20 -0700
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whoa...to vbv, you sure making a lot of attention dude. i think ill stay behind the shadow this time....... but for the article i think the logic that lot daughter HAD to sleep with their father to get child is just STUPID and IDIOTIC. Why??...they can always go to another city ( like abraham city for example ??) to married a man. besides is only sodom that being destroyed right??