“By believing passionately in something that still does not exists, we create it. The nonexistent is whatever we have is not sufficiently desired”. – Franz Kafka
[This article has similarity the article, God Is Self-contradictory. Hence, God Doesn’t Exist.]
Allah is a redundant entity, because it is much simpler to assume that the world is eternal. The hypothesis of a Creator explains nothing to me. It simply pushes the PROBLEM one floor upstairs! It is as futile and superfluous as simply NOTHING…
Can Allah create Himself I ask? Well, frankly speaking He must; because Allah is not just any creator we get to hear about! If we do look for god in the dictionary, god is listed by the definition of an Absolute Creator [the Absolute Creator meaning one who can create!] Hence, Allah/God cannot and did not create Himself, which is a contradiction itself in terms or simply is a complete fallacy….
Nevertheless, that presents at once a thorny and irresolvable dilemma.
Whether God can or cannot create Himself, a believer must land upon one of the two horns of this diabolical impasse: Allah can create Himself out of NOTHING. Therefore, NOTHINGNESS is greater than Allah? On the other hand, Allah cannot create Himself out of NOTHING? Therefore, HE is not absolute. HE is relatively weak, and completely redundant!
In many respects, the idea of Allah is very similar to the ideas of a little spot or a speck, which is completely black and completely white at the same time? Such a spot cannot exist as a real possibility, because it is self-contradictory. No thing whose concept is contradictory ever really exists; the concept of God/Allah is contradictory, therefore, Allah does not exist [period]!!!
In short, the idea of Allah is self-contradictory, and logically unfounded. Accordingly, it is false to do away with it its self-contradiction is quite enough? No further disproof is henceforth required. So why do Muslims claim from time to time that 'Allah' cannot be proved or disproved scientifically? The only explanation of such an obvious fallacy is that 'Homo sapiens' by nature is a social animal and always ready to do anything to please in-mates or co-mates and do get along with each other even on the expanse of reason and logic. The last refuge for these folks of faith is to save their 'Eternal God-Allah' from the ravages of crystal clear logic and reasoning, is to suppose that either He [Allah] is timeless or He is living outside time all by Himself?
Nice try! However, it does not help them at all; to say that Allah is outside of time being logically equivalent to and at the same time as saying that He does not exist. Moreover, getting rid of time is greatly impossible. In addition, even when you deny time in words, you affirm it logically in a big way. The reason for this absolute impossibility is that, the flow of time forms a homogeneous continuum of all rates from the infinitely small to the infinitely large all at once. However, each rate of time flow implies the rest as a necessary consequence.
Believers and the faithful, usually argue that Allah has always existed and, thus, this question "What caused Allah to exist?" is simply meaningless. They say that Allah is beyond time or, in the alternative, Allah is the God of Time. So, Allah has set the universal clock in motion when He created this world. Lets’ take as an example – an ordinary pendulum clock, which has three hands that run at different rates. These three hands of the clock are only a partial snapshot of the actual flow of time. The seconds hand implies on its side an infinite series of hands that run at faster and faster rates until end up with the moment’s hand where the rate of time flow is infinite. The hour’s hand of the clock, also, implies, on its side, an infinite series of hands, which run at slower and slower rates and have as their limit the eternity hand that does not move at all. Thus, there is no escape from time! Moreover, life of God outside time is categorically meaningless. In fact, time is an essential attribute of God. No time no God, but the reverse is not true. That is to say that there is always time whether there is God or not!
Nevertheless, TVs did not always exist. There were no television sets in the 19th Century. Can it, then, be said that TVs 'began to exist' in the 20th or for that matter, they simply got 'existed after 1930's? If you answered yes, you may have a rocky philosophical road ahead of you. So, was the television in the process of 'coming into' existence during the interval in which it was being developed or being invented?
Is 'exists' a dynamic concept? …When we put the word 'television' in this light, we are obviously not alluding to the object, but rather to the concept. We are no longer talking about a shape or an image you can point to, but about the evolution of an idea. Therefore, we have to resolve whether it makes sense to say that concepts can exist? The objective criterion going to used to answer this question is whether we can use the word 'exists' consistently (i.e., scientifically)? To really argue that, we cannot use the word 'exists' consistently when we actually apply it to such concepts? Let us assume, we eliminated the color red from every object in this Universe. According to the ‘Instantiation Principle’, if no object has the color red, the color red itself ceases to exist. Again the question comes back to haunt us: What does the proponent mean when s(he) says that "Red doesn't exists?" Is this a rational statement? Is it the same to say that a concept such as 'red' does not exists as to say that an object such as a crayon does not exists? Do we not have to define 'exists' before we can issue such categorical statements anyway?
At face value, the existence of an object such as a chair seems to be qualitatively different from the existence of a concept such as a color. A standalone 'thing' like THIS chair exists all on its own, a concept such as the color red requires a physical object such as a chair to 'carry' it. To complicate things further, here color is a dynamic concept: a measure of the frequency emanating from the skin of an object. Does it make sense to say that love exists, or loves an activity simply that living entities 'do'? Or is 'red' a noun, an adjective, an adverb, or a verb? Which if any of these is the 'red' that wholly exists? It would appear that, if at all, concepts exist in a different sense that objects do. Perhaps, the distinction is that, a concept ‘exists’ for the purposes of ordinary speeches; whereas only objects may ‘exists’ for the purposes of rigorous scientific communications. Nevertheless, what the foregoing arguments demonstrates is that, whatever conclusions a proponent of a theory reaches will be devoid of meanings until s(he) defines the strategic word 'exists' unambiguously! Unless the theorist can define 'exists' to use this word consistently, the jurors will not be able to follow the theory. If Allah is an object, we may say scientifically that He exists all on His own. And if Allah is a static concept such as beauty or a dynamic one such as Love, like the color red, 'His' existence would in the best of cases be contingent on the existence of a body. That would certainly subordinate the Almighty to a higher 'authority.'
Finally, we should not forget that 'Allah' is, also, an ideal. In other words, the idea of 'Allah' is the model and the blueprint according to which you would certainly construct yourself, your life style, your thoughts and ways. If you are given the power to re-design and build yourself from scratch in this sense, even though Allah has no basis in any reality, an ideal may sound absolutely perfect, useful and you should keep Him as a moral guiding star and blueprint for improving yourself at all levels. But, to me “Man created all concepts” hence, Allah is totally superfluous….. As simply stated, "Get rid of redundant entities"…!
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written by vbv , July 20, 2012
Simple. God/Allah/Yahweh are all products of human minds. Not just sane human minds but deluded ones, scheming human minds that wanted all the power and pelf in the world without having to honestly work for it. It is the product of scoundrels, thugs, maraudering goons who would use this creature of their mind to literally put the "fear of 'god' " in the minds of gullible millions to live off in comfort and luxury. Take the Pope :he lives like a king , and do his minion bishops and clergy down the heirarchy live like some executive of multinational company. Mullahs, imams, ayatollahs,etc all live like the feudal lords of yore. So do the organised godmen of hinduism. All these scoundrels own billions of dollars worth assets( real estates, investments,hard cash,etc) and they continue to make many more millions every day with all the tax concessions,etc to spread their tentacles around the vested interests like politicians, businessmen , wealthy property-owners, breaucrats ,etc , even amongst the judiciary and the police. These filthy scumbags are all thriving in the name of a socalled nonexisting "GOD". And this impotent "allmerciful god" is just a mute witness to all the attrocities committed in his name . Why ? Because these scoundrels do know very well that there is no "God/Allah/Yahweh" and there is no "hell, heaven, satan, jinns, angels," etc. All plain bullshits.
written by ting ting , July 20, 2012
How can u prove there is no god....May be u r seeing God as an Object. Certainly not.....God may be experience of say Life...Life is god...
written by Walter Sieruk , July 20, 2012
The God of the Bible is not the same god as the god of Islam. Though the passing of time it has become wiedly accepted that the word Allah is just the Arabic word for God. This started when truth compromising Bible "translater' substitued the word Allah where the word God should should have been used in the Arabic translation of the Bible. Furthermore, in the glossary in the book ASSASSINS ! by Dr. Haha Lung defines Allah as the "pre-Islamic Lunar god : god of Islam." Likewise,in the book INSIDE ISLAM by Reza F. Safa on pages 22,23 it reads "In pre-Islamic times both Allah-worship and Baal-worship involved the worship of the sun, the moon and the stars [This worship is condemned in the Bible, Second Kings 21:3,5. 23:5. Second Chronicles 33;5.] Which defines them as astral religions. The cresent moon, which was the sysmbol of moon worship is also the symbol of Islam." In short , the god of Islam is not the God of the Bible.
The words in brackets are my own.
Furthermore, the above truth is further exposed in the books
WHO IS THIS ALLAH ? by G.J.O Moshay
UNVEILING ISLAM by Ergun Mehmet Caner and Emir Fethi Caner
THE ISLAMIC INVASION by Robert Morey
PHILISTINE by Ramon Bennett
WHY I LEFT JIHAD by Walid Shoebat
The words in brackets are my own.
Furthermore, the above truth is further exposed in the books
WHO IS THIS ALLAH ? by G.J.O Moshay
UNVEILING ISLAM by Ergun Mehmet Caner and Emir Fethi Caner
THE ISLAMIC INVASION by Robert Morey
PHILISTINE by Ramon Bennett
WHY I LEFT JIHAD by Walid Shoebat
written by Gnostic , July 21, 2012
Buddhism, Taoism and Confucianism are agnostic in regard to gpd and similar thoughts are also known by greek philosophers. They all show that we can all live very well without god.
The main problem with Allah is that Allah is behaving like a very primitive man. He orders men to beat their wifes and he erases even whole towns and all his inhabitants, He hates and punishes people like insects. He teaches wrong and contradictious things about nature, about the way humans came into being, wrong things about mountains, the way sperm is gushed out from the backbone and so many things.
Allah teaches his own creatures not to use their brains but to beleve without thinking an asking. He teaches his own creatures to remain stupid for all their lives!
The main problem with Allah is that Allah is behaving like a very primitive man. He orders men to beat their wifes and he erases even whole towns and all his inhabitants, He hates and punishes people like insects. He teaches wrong and contradictious things about nature, about the way humans came into being, wrong things about mountains, the way sperm is gushed out from the backbone and so many things.
Allah teaches his own creatures not to use their brains but to beleve without thinking an asking. He teaches his own creatures to remain stupid for all their lives!
written by Infidel and More Proud , July 21, 2012
Allah creates men from clay. (59:24)
Allah advices to clean using clay. (5:6)
Later he declares men created from disdainful things (77:20)
Therfore men is created from dirty clay. If clay is was dirty how can Muslims clean themselves with clay.
Methinks Allah suffers from memory loss at times and forgets what he spoke earlier.
Any Muslim/s wanna clarify??
Allah advices to clean using clay. (5:6)
Later he declares men created from disdainful things (77:20)
Therfore men is created from dirty clay. If clay is was dirty how can Muslims clean themselves with clay.
Methinks Allah suffers from memory loss at times and forgets what he spoke earlier.
Any Muslim/s wanna clarify??
written by malem , July 21, 2012
Show me proof Allah erased a town or the people who lived there
written by kope , July 21, 2012
it is true most atheists reject god because they are fags
written by mike h , July 21, 2012
@Infidel & More Proud
Simple, the more lies someone spouts, the harder it is to keep track of all those lies. That's why there is so much confusion and contradictions in the KKKoran.
Jerry Garcia hu Akbar!
Simple, the more lies someone spouts, the harder it is to keep track of all those lies. That's why there is so much confusion and contradictions in the KKKoran.
Jerry Garcia hu Akbar!
written by Guy Macher , July 21, 2012
Wa eza aradna an nohlika kariatan amarna motrifiha fafasako feha fahaqa Alliah alkowl fadamarnaha (Surat Al-Isra 17:16)
And when we (Allah) decide to destroy a village, we send a definite command to those who lead a life of luxury in it to commit lewdness, and thus the word of torment is justified against them. Then we destroy it with complete destruction.
And when we (Allah) decide to destroy a village, we send a definite command to those who lead a life of luxury in it to commit lewdness, and thus the word of torment is justified against them. Then we destroy it with complete destruction.
written by malem , July 21, 2012
Guy nice try but no proof as your staement says it all "when" it says it never says allah did anything. Keep trying lad, keep trying
written by Yibel , July 21, 2012
Qur'an 15:176-186: "We razed their city to the ground and let loose a shower of clay-stones upon them."
"The dwellers of the Forest were also guilty. On them, too, We took vengeance, and made of both a manifest example."
"The people of Hijr also denied Our apostles. We gave them Our signs, but they ignored them. They hewed their dwellings into the mountains and led their lives in safety. But one morning the Cry took them. Nothing did their gains avail them."
And then there was Ad: " And when morning came there was nothing to be seen besides their ruined dwellings. Thus do We reward the wrongdoers." Q. 46:21-26
Qur'an 46:27 "We have destroyed habitations all around you, having explained Our signs in different ways to them that they may turn back. Why then did the gods they had taken apart from Allah as protectors not come to their aid? In fact they strayed away from them."
"The dwellers of the Forest were also guilty. On them, too, We took vengeance, and made of both a manifest example."
"The people of Hijr also denied Our apostles. We gave them Our signs, but they ignored them. They hewed their dwellings into the mountains and led their lives in safety. But one morning the Cry took them. Nothing did their gains avail them."
And then there was Ad: " And when morning came there was nothing to be seen besides their ruined dwellings. Thus do We reward the wrongdoers." Q. 46:21-26
Qur'an 46:27 "We have destroyed habitations all around you, having explained Our signs in different ways to them that they may turn back. Why then did the gods they had taken apart from Allah as protectors not come to their aid? In fact they strayed away from them."
written by non believer , July 21, 2012
How do you prove there is no god? Do you need a proof for what is not there? One has to prove the existence of something if he says that "something" exists.
This God who believers say "exists" has not proved any of the attributes assigned to him. "He is most merciful" We have seen his mercy in punishing the poor and innocent and helping the rich and the thugs.
We have also seen the regrettable attributes his believers have heaped on him. He is so Egoistic that he gets pissed off if he or his books are critically analysed and criticised. He punishes you if you don't get circumcised. He does not accept your prayer if a woman comes across. He wants his cronies to kill those who question his existence. He either Allah or God wants only his religion to be practised on earth. Are these qualities of an ideal person? let alone a supernatural being. Since nothing attributable to this "imaginary person" is happening it can be proved that there is no god.
This God who believers say "exists" has not proved any of the attributes assigned to him. "He is most merciful" We have seen his mercy in punishing the poor and innocent and helping the rich and the thugs.
We have also seen the regrettable attributes his believers have heaped on him. He is so Egoistic that he gets pissed off if he or his books are critically analysed and criticised. He punishes you if you don't get circumcised. He does not accept your prayer if a woman comes across. He wants his cronies to kill those who question his existence. He either Allah or God wants only his religion to be practised on earth. Are these qualities of an ideal person? let alone a supernatural being. Since nothing attributable to this "imaginary person" is happening it can be proved that there is no god.
written by Gnostic , July 21, 2012
Thank you, Yibel for provideing the quote. However, I cannot find the first one. BTW, in the Old Testament god also punished cities if I remember right. Jerich, Sodom and Gomohrra and we should also consider the story of Noah. Here god killed even the whole world except a few but including innocent children, women and animals.
Is god/Allah crazy and sadistic?
Is god/Allah crazy and sadistic?
written by Malem , July 21, 2012
THank you so much for bringing us what you say is proof that Allah has razed cities etc.. So if that proof is a fact as you present in turn you have also proven the existence of Allah thus proving that the article is False. You lads proved my case for me, that was very nice of you, ramadan mubarek!
written by Archpagan , July 21, 2012
Folks I have no problem accepting God, but I have all the problems accepting the ugly book named Koran as God's message. Rather, it's an insult to Allah. Allah is merciful to all his creations- believers, non-believers alike. How can he instigate to kill human beings for non-acceptance of Mohammad's claim of getting his message? He even permitted Muhammad to commit heinous crimes like rape, murder, incest and adultery. Allah had far far better option to send his message through. If Mohammad can get message, so also me.
written by Gnostic , July 21, 2012
I did not provide evidence that Allah did that but that this is claimed by quran and bible. I do not believe in such things and I feel very sorry for muslims who pray to a god who is supposed to be a mass killer who committed genocides and crimes against humanity.
So Malem, if you like to have proof and evidence then please show me that muslims are better off than other people. Who has the highes Humand Dvelopment index? And who has the lowest. Look at countries like Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen, Chad, Pakistan, Bangla Desh ... The people are praying so often to Allah there - but what do they receive? A better life after death? What for? Do you think that praying is better than working?
So Malem, if you like to have proof and evidence then please show me that muslims are better off than other people. Who has the highes Humand Dvelopment index? And who has the lowest. Look at countries like Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen, Chad, Pakistan, Bangla Desh ... The people are praying so often to Allah there - but what do they receive? A better life after death? What for? Do you think that praying is better than working?
written by Reed Wilson , July 21, 2012
Gnostic You write "So Malem, if you like to have proof and evidence then please show me that muslims are better off than other people. Who has the highest Human Development index?
Yes it should be. You advanced Quranic logic. I recite 3:139
"So do not lose heart or be grieved, for you will surely prevail if you are believers".
Those who call themselves Muslims they are rather Muhammadans who have deserted Quran and follow Hadis as speach, action and approval of Muhammad.
The indicators establish that they are not believers.
Yes it should be. You advanced Quranic logic. I recite 3:139
"So do not lose heart or be grieved, for you will surely prevail if you are believers".
Those who call themselves Muslims they are rather Muhammadans who have deserted Quran and follow Hadis as speach, action and approval of Muhammad.
The indicators establish that they are not believers.
written by Reed Wilson , July 21, 2012
Archpagan. "If Mohammad can get message, so also me."
Of course!! You have already received the message.
Of course!! You have already received the message.
written by malem , July 21, 2012
Yes you did prove it, first you need to understand logic lad. As I sit here enjoying this wonderful day during ramadan getting ready to head out tonight to meet family friends such a beautiful time. Back to your proving the existence of Allah, you stated that Allah wiped out a population of People during the floods with the prophet Noah. By claiming that indeed happened at the doing of Allah, you then in turn prove his existence as one cannot perform an act if they were imaginary. Again thank you.
written by Gnostic , July 22, 2012
Reed you are proof and evidence that islam is over. Quranists, Ahmadians and all the other non-mainstream muslims have no chance to rescue islam because they are not really better in a sense that they have better arguments. The quran is fake and all I can do is to recommend muslims to read other books and to try by themselves to write book and correct it over and over again and perhaps they will achieve to understand what I mean. I mean that the quran is so full of nonsense, bad wisdom and black magic, superstition, contradictions, errors and lies - but nothing useful at all!!!!
I strongly believe that the majority of muslims will achieve to understand this earlier or later - but I am afraid that quranists and people like RW will never understand.
I strongly believe that the majority of muslims will achieve to understand this earlier or later - but I am afraid that quranists and people like RW will never understand.
written by Reed Wilson , July 22, 2012
Gnostic. Thanks.
I dont understand what you really mean by "Gnostic , July 22, 2012
Reed you are proof and evidence that islam is over. Quranists, Ahmadians and all the other non-mainstream muslims have no chance to rescue islam because they are not really better in a sense that they have better arguments.".
I am none to rescue Islam. Islam means following Quran or obeying God. You say Quran is fake. I will not defend Quran. My scope is tell what Quran says. When it is misunderstood, I try to clarify according to Quran itself.
I dont understand what you really mean by "Gnostic , July 22, 2012
Reed you are proof and evidence that islam is over. Quranists, Ahmadians and all the other non-mainstream muslims have no chance to rescue islam because they are not really better in a sense that they have better arguments.".
I am none to rescue Islam. Islam means following Quran or obeying God. You say Quran is fake. I will not defend Quran. My scope is tell what Quran says. When it is misunderstood, I try to clarify according to Quran itself.
written by Xyz , July 22, 2012
"Yes you did prove it, first you need to understand logic lad. As I sit here enjoying this wonderful day during ramadan getting ready to head out tonight to meet family friends such a beautiful time. Back to your proving the existence of Allah, you stated that Allah wiped out a population of People during the floods with the prophet Noah. By claiming that indeed happened at the doing of Allah, you then in turn prove his existence as one cannot perform an act if they were imaginary. Again thank you."
How stupid a Muslim can be, the above statement is a proof.
Dear Malem, 7000 poor Muslims died in earthquake in Pakistan in 2005. Would you like to add this disaster to Quran.
Thousands died in tsunami in 2008. Would you like to add this to Quran.
Thousands died in Haiti earthquake. Would u like to add this to Quran. Etc etc
So if there are disasters happened in the past ( although there is no proof) are mentioned in the Quran how can you relate those to Allah??
How stupid a Muslim can be, the above statement is a proof.
Dear Malem, 7000 poor Muslims died in earthquake in Pakistan in 2005. Would you like to add this disaster to Quran.
Thousands died in tsunami in 2008. Would you like to add this to Quran.
Thousands died in Haiti earthquake. Would u like to add this to Quran. Etc etc
So if there are disasters happened in the past ( although there is no proof) are mentioned in the Quran how can you relate those to Allah??
written by malem , July 22, 2012
Great flood, prophet noah's ark was found, proof. Obeyah and all is good
written by Xyz , July 22, 2012
There is no proof that Noah ark has been found. Still my question remains
How could you relate past or present disasters to Allah?? If your brain is primitive and you believe that disasters due to tectonic movements or heavy floods or storms must be related to Allah's wrath on humans ( as per quran) than its just your belief.
How could you relate past or present disasters to Allah?? If your brain is primitive and you believe that disasters due to tectonic movements or heavy floods or storms must be related to Allah's wrath on humans ( as per quran) than its just your belief.
written by Gnostic , July 22, 2012
You provide evidence that muslims are required to believe in fairytales. spread by scharlatans The ark was never found, only fakes. And we will never find it because it never existed.
- There is absolutely no evidence that a flood like in bible and quran ever happend
- the ancient writers of bible and quran had no idea of the true numbers of species: there are around 5-6000 species of mammalians, 9000 birds, 4000 reptiles and more than a million insects and many more animals I am unable to account for here.
- the largest Zoo of the world is in Berlin with 35 hectars. Here we have around 1500 species but even this Zoo cannot keep a single species alive. Food as well as water comes from outside, of course, and many species will never reproduce. But even if they do, they need fresh blood in order to avoid incest and there are still so many problems with the ark that no scientist would even consider this to be true.
- or can YOU tell me how Noah caught all the animals like Bears and Lions and Kaengaroohs? Or did he simply invite them to come for dinner? It takes so much stupidity to believe in islam, truly!
- There is absolutely no evidence that a flood like in bible and quran ever happend
- the ancient writers of bible and quran had no idea of the true numbers of species: there are around 5-6000 species of mammalians, 9000 birds, 4000 reptiles and more than a million insects and many more animals I am unable to account for here.
- the largest Zoo of the world is in Berlin with 35 hectars. Here we have around 1500 species but even this Zoo cannot keep a single species alive. Food as well as water comes from outside, of course, and many species will never reproduce. But even if they do, they need fresh blood in order to avoid incest and there are still so many problems with the ark that no scientist would even consider this to be true.
- or can YOU tell me how Noah caught all the animals like Bears and Lions and Kaengaroohs? Or did he simply invite them to come for dinner? It takes so much stupidity to believe in islam, truly!
written by Archpagan , July 22, 2012
You said- 'My scope is tell what Quran says. When it is misunderstood, I try to clarify according to Quran itself.'
Then write a book and publish it, I promise to purchase its first copy. Otherwise, you are a fraudster.
Then write a book and publish it, I promise to purchase its first copy. Otherwise, you are a fraudster.
written by Gnostic , July 23, 2012
According to Surah Noah (71) Noach even urged Allah to kill all people who did not believe in him! This Supposed-to-be-a-Muslim-Prophet urges god to commit genocide and god follows!
The quran repeats this stpry several times in Surah 7, 10, 11, 26 and 71!
The quran repeats this stpry several times in Surah 7, 10, 11, 26 and 71!
written by malem , July 23, 2012
You again site stories as fact involving Allah, thus you keep proving his existence, thank yoou !!
written by Reed Wilson , July 23, 2012
Dear Archpagan.
I am not convinced with the idea of writing and selling books on Islam. All the books written by Muslim scholars on Islam are redundant.
I appreciate your offer of buying first copy. Dhaannebad.
I am doing a Jihad against so called Islamic scholars. There is no need of any such book on Islam when Quran is so exhaustive. What will one write and from where?
I am not convinced with the idea of writing and selling books on Islam. All the books written by Muslim scholars on Islam are redundant.
I appreciate your offer of buying first copy. Dhaannebad.
I am doing a Jihad against so called Islamic scholars. There is no need of any such book on Islam when Quran is so exhaustive. What will one write and from where?
written by Rationalist , July 23, 2012
Allah takes only the likes of Malem, Osama, n pigs on board the Nova's ark.
written by Yibel , July 23, 2012
Your statement: "THank you so much for bringing us what you say is proof that Allah has razed cities etc.. So if that proof is a fact as you present in turn you have also proven the existence of Allah thus proving that the article is False. You lads proved my case for me, that was very nice of you, ramadan mubarek!"
MY response:
NO ONE knows where the mythical cities of Ad and Thamud were. The only time they are mentioned is in the Qur'an. Muhammad claims his stone-gawd destroyed them. However, we really don't know what happened to them - or even if they ever existed. The Qur'an is not clear on any of this. NO facts or evidence are presented.
As for Sodom and its sister cities - they were destroyed. Archeologists have located them - just where the Bible said they were. The Bible, Malem, NOT the Qur'an. The Qur'an is clear as mud concerning these cities. The Qur'an even says that the Sodomites were Lot's people. WRONG!!!
Also, the Qur'an is WRONG about how these cities were destroyed. Which proves that Allah is wrong!!! Therefore, Allah is NOT a god, but is a fraud!!
Muhammad made IT up, and ITS hell, and ITS heaven (bordello/brothel) with the big-busted, dark-eyed virgins reclining in pavilions, and its camphor fountain, and its flowing streams of wine.
The Qur'an is NOT the perfect book it claims to be. It is only clear proof of Muhammad's lack of knowledge. If there is an Allah, then IT is a demon who deceived Muhammad, and is continuing to deceive 1.2 billion dumb-dumbs!!
MY response:
NO ONE knows where the mythical cities of Ad and Thamud were. The only time they are mentioned is in the Qur'an. Muhammad claims his stone-gawd destroyed them. However, we really don't know what happened to them - or even if they ever existed. The Qur'an is not clear on any of this. NO facts or evidence are presented.
As for Sodom and its sister cities - they were destroyed. Archeologists have located them - just where the Bible said they were. The Bible, Malem, NOT the Qur'an. The Qur'an is clear as mud concerning these cities. The Qur'an even says that the Sodomites were Lot's people. WRONG!!!
Also, the Qur'an is WRONG about how these cities were destroyed. Which proves that Allah is wrong!!! Therefore, Allah is NOT a god, but is a fraud!!
Muhammad made IT up, and ITS hell, and ITS heaven (bordello/brothel) with the big-busted, dark-eyed virgins reclining in pavilions, and its camphor fountain, and its flowing streams of wine.
The Qur'an is NOT the perfect book it claims to be. It is only clear proof of Muhammad's lack of knowledge. If there is an Allah, then IT is a demon who deceived Muhammad, and is continuing to deceive 1.2 billion dumb-dumbs!!
written by Yibel , July 23, 2012
"However, I cannot find the first one."
Sorry about that. Should have been 15:76-86. I mis-typed the verse numbers.
"BTW, in the Old Testament god also punished cities if I remember right. Jerich, Sodom and Gomohrra and we should also consider the story of Noah."
You remember correctly: The Bible (OT, Torah) says that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by YHVH (NOT Allah who is never mentioned in the Bible) for their lack of hospitality - raping and murdering strangers who wandered into their town. These cities were destroyed by fire and brimstone according to archeologists. Did YHVH do it? Believe it or not - it is up to the individual.
Jericho was destroyed by the Israelites, according to the Bible OT, under the
leadership of Joshua, son of Nun. Jericho was destroyed - several times actually -
according to archeologists and the walls fell down just as described in the Bible.
HOWEVER, was YHVH involved? Were the Israelites even involved? Again - believe it or not - it is up to you.
As for the great flood. There are legends and stories and some evidence of a great flood in the Black Sea area. Was this event remembered and passed down from generation to generation - growing in size and proportion with each retelling? Probably. None of this "history" was recorded for generations after the events. You can believe that a god was involved who removed people because of their extremely bad behavior, or not. Also - NO ark has ever been found.
BTW, the Hindu god Vishnu also destroys bad people - by sending his avatars, such as Rama and Krishna - to save mankind from evil.
Sorry about that. Should have been 15:76-86. I mis-typed the verse numbers.
"BTW, in the Old Testament god also punished cities if I remember right. Jerich, Sodom and Gomohrra and we should also consider the story of Noah."
You remember correctly: The Bible (OT, Torah) says that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by YHVH (NOT Allah who is never mentioned in the Bible) for their lack of hospitality - raping and murdering strangers who wandered into their town. These cities were destroyed by fire and brimstone according to archeologists. Did YHVH do it? Believe it or not - it is up to the individual.
Jericho was destroyed by the Israelites, according to the Bible OT, under the
leadership of Joshua, son of Nun. Jericho was destroyed - several times actually -
according to archeologists and the walls fell down just as described in the Bible.
HOWEVER, was YHVH involved? Were the Israelites even involved? Again - believe it or not - it is up to you.
As for the great flood. There are legends and stories and some evidence of a great flood in the Black Sea area. Was this event remembered and passed down from generation to generation - growing in size and proportion with each retelling? Probably. None of this "history" was recorded for generations after the events. You can believe that a god was involved who removed people because of their extremely bad behavior, or not. Also - NO ark has ever been found.
BTW, the Hindu god Vishnu also destroys bad people - by sending his avatars, such as Rama and Krishna - to save mankind from evil.
written by Gnostic , July 23, 2012
So in Bible and Quran God sometimes punishes not only people but even towns with their whole populations or even countries or ethnic entities regardless if there are innocent people like childre, women etc. included or not.
The reason is usually not believing in in god or misbehaviour such as adultery, idolating and so on.
In China we can see a diffeerent approach: Natural desasters are applied in order to punish a corrupt regime. This often led to riots and even revolutions in chinese history and a change of the government.
So while there is a common interpretions that desasters are made by god or heaven, the interpretations are pretty different.
Of course it is ridiculous to think that all inhabitants of a town are sinful. And what does sinful mean? The right believe? There are always muslim criminals as well as christian or atheist criminals who deserve a punishment. But why the punishment for a "wrong" belief? Nobody can provide evidence what belief is true or not.
Or is a muslim criminal better than a christian one? And how can we understand who really believes in the "right" religion and who only pretends to do so?
BTW, I am strongly convinced that very muslims are only pretending to believe in islam in order to stay in power or to increase their power because they know that this is expected from them.
written by Yibel , July 24, 2012
In the Qur'an, Muhammad's stone-gawd punishes people for not bowing and worshiping him, and him alone. This is what Muhammad wanted the people of Makkah to do - bow and worship his invented Allah, exactly the way he did. Muhammad's Qur'an was a warning the Makkans that bad things would happen to they if they didn't put him in charge. In his chapter 29 - given just before he had to flee for his life from Makkah - he has Ibrahim (his alter ego) threaten to destroy the idols of his people. The Qur'an began as a takeover of the Ka'aba plot.
In the Bible, YHVH gets rid of really bad people because they are CRIMINALS who are murdering and raping others and raising their children to be just like themselves. This is happening throughout the Muslim world today. Right from birth, Muslim children are raised to be evil and to enjoy killing others. In school books they are taught to HATE Jews, Christians, etc. Every prayer session (5 times a day) is about hating non-Muslims. The Qur'an is a hate/warfare manual and is taught in Muslim schools and mosques worldwide. In Saudi Arabia, school books show students how to chop off hands and arms of thieves; beheadings are common place and children are brought to watch/participate. The same in Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia, Bangledesh, Afganistan, Yemen, Somalia, Sudan - on and on.
If THE EVIL that is Islam continues - how many innocent people - men, women, and children - will suffer and die? Think of the hundreds of millions of Indians and the hundreds of millions of Africans, that have already died - and the millions who are suffering and dying today thoughout the world. Think of the civilizations that have been destroyed, lives ruined, the people who never had a chance to even be born - all because of an EVIL ideology running amok.
Gnostic, ALL Muslims are criminals. Islam is an International Mafia. EVIL is being done worldwide in the name of a false god. Should not the real god - if there is one - put a stop to it, just as the Chinese god puts a stop to bad regimes?
In the Bible, YHVH gets rid of really bad people because they are CRIMINALS who are murdering and raping others and raising their children to be just like themselves. This is happening throughout the Muslim world today. Right from birth, Muslim children are raised to be evil and to enjoy killing others. In school books they are taught to HATE Jews, Christians, etc. Every prayer session (5 times a day) is about hating non-Muslims. The Qur'an is a hate/warfare manual and is taught in Muslim schools and mosques worldwide. In Saudi Arabia, school books show students how to chop off hands and arms of thieves; beheadings are common place and children are brought to watch/participate. The same in Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia, Bangledesh, Afganistan, Yemen, Somalia, Sudan - on and on.
If THE EVIL that is Islam continues - how many innocent people - men, women, and children - will suffer and die? Think of the hundreds of millions of Indians and the hundreds of millions of Africans, that have already died - and the millions who are suffering and dying today thoughout the world. Think of the civilizations that have been destroyed, lives ruined, the people who never had a chance to even be born - all because of an EVIL ideology running amok.
Gnostic, ALL Muslims are criminals. Islam is an International Mafia. EVIL is being done worldwide in the name of a false god. Should not the real god - if there is one - put a stop to it, just as the Chinese god puts a stop to bad regimes?
written by Malem , July 24, 2012
You have enough fertilizer spouting from you on your posts for me to fertilize my entire fields for a year...
written by bundypig , July 24, 2012
a 50 square foot field doesn't qualify as entire fields dudey boy, taken down again by Yibel yuk yuk yuk.
Can you see Christians at Christmas or Jews on their Holy Days pulling crap like this off, these people are just slightly better than animals, at least they wipe their asses with rocks!
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2...latestnews
Can you see Christians at Christmas or Jews on their Holy Days pulling crap like this off, these people are just slightly better than animals, at least they wipe their asses with rocks!
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2...latestnews
written by Gnostic , July 24, 2012
I do not agree with you. You are exaggerating and some of your assertions are wrong. I think there are no public beheadings in Indonesia and Malaysia and of course not all muslims are criminals. With such wrong criticsm you can only achieve the opposite.
written by malem , July 24, 2012
You might want to check your facts, beheading is the punishment for several crimes in both those areas and in 2011 there was one in Malaysia...
written by Yibel , July 25, 2012
Belonging to a criminal organization makes one a criminal by definition. Islam is a criminal organization. Forcing people to pay protection money (jizya) is extortion, a crime; kidnapping people and enslaving them are crimes; murdering people for leaving the organization is a crime; murdering people for not joining your organization is a crime; attacking people and stealing their possessions is a crime.
All these crimes are written in the Qur'an as commandments upon the Muslims. The Muslim must also pay money (zakat) to support attacks on non-believers and provide assistance, support and encouragement to those who perform the above listed criminal acts. Therefore, all Muslims are, at the very least, accomplices - aiding and abetting lawbreakers in crimainal acts. Jihad is obligatory on all Muslims:
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty."
"For the worst of beasts in the sight of Allah are those who reject Him: They will not believe."
Qur’an 9:5: "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Ibn Kathir even states: Muslims should “not wait until you find them. Rather, SEEK and BESEIGE them in their areas and forts, gather intelligence about them in the various roads and fairways so that what is made wide looks ever smaller to them. This way, they will have no choice, but to DIE or EMBRACE Islam.”
All these crimes are written in the Qur'an as commandments upon the Muslims. The Muslim must also pay money (zakat) to support attacks on non-believers and provide assistance, support and encouragement to those who perform the above listed criminal acts. Therefore, all Muslims are, at the very least, accomplices - aiding and abetting lawbreakers in crimainal acts. Jihad is obligatory on all Muslims:
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty."
"For the worst of beasts in the sight of Allah are those who reject Him: They will not believe."
Qur’an 9:5: "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Ibn Kathir even states: Muslims should “not wait until you find them. Rather, SEEK and BESEIGE them in their areas and forts, gather intelligence about them in the various roads and fairways so that what is made wide looks ever smaller to them. This way, they will have no choice, but to DIE or EMBRACE Islam.”
written by Malem , July 25, 2012
Show where you have to pay protection in Islam today? You list the same one line you always do, sounds like a stuck recording, same crap over and over and over... can you not come up with an original thought or argument? or do you have to just post the same thing on every subject no matter if it has to do with it or not. You know nothing of Islam and then like a little irate dog, you bark from the corner of the room, until someone looks at you and you run yelping.
So wha twe have here is are statements you made up about the forcing of people to do certain things. There is nothing like that in Quran. Instead of Yibel your name should be libel....time for Iftar!!!
So wha twe have here is are statements you made up about the forcing of people to do certain things. There is nothing like that in Quran. Instead of Yibel your name should be libel....time for Iftar!!!
written by Gnostic , July 25, 2012
If you are calling all muslims criminals you are on the same level like muslims who call all non-muslims infidels. It is very similar. Instead of enlightening you are darkening everything and you can never have success because no muslim will ever agree with you.
You cannot fight lies with other lies which are telling kust the opposite . You can fight lies only by telling the truth.
written by Yibel , July 25, 2012
According to the popular Egyptian website, El Bashayer, Muhammad Morsi, the Muslim Brotherhood president, has declared that he will "achieve the Islamic conquest (fath) of Egypt for the second time (the first Muslim conquest of Egypt was carried out at the hands of Amr bin al-As in 641CE) , and make all Christians convert to Islam, or else pay the jizya," the traditional Islamic tax, or financial tribute, required of non-Muslim "dhimmis." Morsi reportedly said, "They (the Christians) need to know that conquest is coming, and Egypt will be Islamic, and that they must pay jizya or emigrate."
Malem, you need to go to Egypt RIGHT AWAY and tell Morsi that he is WRONG. There is no jizya (protection tax) because you say so! Certainly he is a reasonable man who will listen to you - the qur'an expert!
In the Tafsir Ibn Kathir, he stated clearly: Paying Jizyah is a Sign of Kufr and Disgrace. Allah said, (until they pay the Jizyah), if they do not choose to embrace Islam, (with willing submission), in defeat and subservience, (and feel themselves subdued), disgraced, humiliated and belittled. Therefore, Muslims are not allowed to honor the people of Dhimmah or elevate them above Muslims, for they are miserable, disgraced and humiliated.
To Gnostic, Jihad is obligatory on all Muslims. ALL Muslims are ordered in the Qur'an to:
59:2 "...cast terror into their hearts (“People of the Book” i.e. Christians & Jews)"
8:60 "...to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah (i.e. "Unbelievers" 8:59)"
The prophet of Islam (Muhammad) boasted, "I have been made victorious with terror" Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220
Malem, you need to go to Egypt RIGHT AWAY and tell Morsi that he is WRONG. There is no jizya (protection tax) because you say so! Certainly he is a reasonable man who will listen to you - the qur'an expert!
In the Tafsir Ibn Kathir, he stated clearly: Paying Jizyah is a Sign of Kufr and Disgrace. Allah said, (until they pay the Jizyah), if they do not choose to embrace Islam, (with willing submission), in defeat and subservience, (and feel themselves subdued), disgraced, humiliated and belittled. Therefore, Muslims are not allowed to honor the people of Dhimmah or elevate them above Muslims, for they are miserable, disgraced and humiliated.
To Gnostic, Jihad is obligatory on all Muslims. ALL Muslims are ordered in the Qur'an to:
59:2 "...cast terror into their hearts (“People of the Book” i.e. Christians & Jews)"
8:60 "...to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah (i.e. "Unbelievers" 8:59)"
The prophet of Islam (Muhammad) boasted, "I have been made victorious with terror" Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220
written by Yibel , July 26, 2012
Gnostic, the following is a rewrite of one of your posts regarding criminal activities promoted by Islam:
1. Wife beating
2. Cruel and unusual punishments: Flogging, cruxifications, beheadings, cutting off hands and feet, stoning, burning people alive, starving people to death
3. Pedophilia
4. Murder of non-believers, including suicide bombing (Chapter 9)
5. Stealing the property of non-believers (Chapter 8, Booty)
6. Kidnapping for ransom
7. Slavery, including sex slavery
8. Prostitution, mut'ah marriage
9. Rioting
10. Threatening bodily harm to others
11. Forcing non-members to pay protection money (jizya)
12. Taking the law into one's own hands
13. Murder of one's own children
14. Racketing (zakat tax)
Any organization that promotes the above is a criminal organization; therefore, Islam is a criminal organization. And belonging to a criminal organization makes one a criminal - an accessory to crime. This is a fact! And Muslims are doing all this evil in the name of G-d. This is against the third commandment of YHVH and is blasphemy - the REAL blasphemy - the one crime/sin which is NOT forgiven. Muslims need to be warned of this for the sake of their souls.
Gnostic, Muslims can call me an Infidel if they like. Malem just called me a "little irate dog" LOL. I am both flattered and honored that he has placed me in the same fine category with fineliving56 - a person I greatly admire for her courage and fortitude. (He has equated fineliving with a donkey and a monkey.)
Viva la resistance!
1. Wife beating
2. Cruel and unusual punishments: Flogging, cruxifications, beheadings, cutting off hands and feet, stoning, burning people alive, starving people to death
3. Pedophilia
4. Murder of non-believers, including suicide bombing (Chapter 9)
5. Stealing the property of non-believers (Chapter 8, Booty)
6. Kidnapping for ransom
7. Slavery, including sex slavery
8. Prostitution, mut'ah marriage
9. Rioting
10. Threatening bodily harm to others
11. Forcing non-members to pay protection money (jizya)
12. Taking the law into one's own hands
13. Murder of one's own children
14. Racketing (zakat tax)
Any organization that promotes the above is a criminal organization; therefore, Islam is a criminal organization. And belonging to a criminal organization makes one a criminal - an accessory to crime. This is a fact! And Muslims are doing all this evil in the name of G-d. This is against the third commandment of YHVH and is blasphemy - the REAL blasphemy - the one crime/sin which is NOT forgiven. Muslims need to be warned of this for the sake of their souls.
Gnostic, Muslims can call me an Infidel if they like. Malem just called me a "little irate dog" LOL. I am both flattered and honored that he has placed me in the same fine category with fineliving56 - a person I greatly admire for her courage and fortitude. (He has equated fineliving with a donkey and a monkey.)
Viva la resistance!
written by malem , July 26, 2012
You again prove my point by posting someone else posts over and over again. Now to set the record straight lad it was your BEHAVIOR that I compared to that of a little irate dog. They also bark the same thing over and over, do you see the comparison now?
None of what you post above do you have any proof of, just pure rumor which you tend to live by, good luck with that chap!
None of what you post above do you have any proof of, just pure rumor which you tend to live by, good luck with that chap!
written by Yibel , July 27, 2012
malem: You do not know me - so how can you observe "my behavior'?
For proof of what I post, I suggest you read the Qur'an, the aHadith and the Sunnah of Muhammad. It is from these sources that I get my posts - which I post over and over again. And will continue to do so.
As noted above, I repeated Gnostic's previous post in answer to his/her response to my post. I DO post Qur'an quotes OVER and OVER because this is a site about Islam. If you have a problem with reading QUR'AN QUOTES, then perhaps you are in the wrong cult.
Leave Islam. Join humanity. Perhaps then you will become a civil person who does not compare others with monkeys, donkeys and dogs. BTW - since you don't seem to know the Qur'an, or Islam, very well - dogs are haram in Islam. They are like feces, i.e. dirty/unclean/filth - just like Infidels. And, according to the Qur'an, monkeys are detested creatures = and Allah turned Jews into monkeys according to Muhammad - and Muhammad said in the aHadith that the braying of donkeys interrupts a Muslim's "so-called prayers."
I repeat, OVER and OVER, leave Islam - and have a nice day.
For proof of what I post, I suggest you read the Qur'an, the aHadith and the Sunnah of Muhammad. It is from these sources that I get my posts - which I post over and over again. And will continue to do so.
As noted above, I repeated Gnostic's previous post in answer to his/her response to my post. I DO post Qur'an quotes OVER and OVER because this is a site about Islam. If you have a problem with reading QUR'AN QUOTES, then perhaps you are in the wrong cult.
Leave Islam. Join humanity. Perhaps then you will become a civil person who does not compare others with monkeys, donkeys and dogs. BTW - since you don't seem to know the Qur'an, or Islam, very well - dogs are haram in Islam. They are like feces, i.e. dirty/unclean/filth - just like Infidels. And, according to the Qur'an, monkeys are detested creatures = and Allah turned Jews into monkeys according to Muhammad - and Muhammad said in the aHadith that the braying of donkeys interrupts a Muslim's "so-called prayers."
I repeat, OVER and OVER, leave Islam - and have a nice day.
written by RW. , July 27, 2012
Yibel. Your posts are informative. You write to malem above ". BTW - since you don't seem to know the Qur'an, or Islam, very well - dogs are haram in Islam. They are like feces, i.e. dirty/unclean/filth - just like Infidels".
Where in Quran you find dogs are haram, are like feces and unclean like infidels?
A dog is rather mentioned as company of pious people in Quran.
إِذْ أَوَى الْفِتْيَةُ إِلَى الْكَهْفِ فَقَالُوا رَبَّنَا آتِنَا مِن لَّدُنكَ رَحْمَةً وَهَيِّئْ لَنَا مِنْ أَمْرِنَا رَشَدًا
َيَقُولُونَ ثَلَاثَةٌ رَّابِعُهُمْ كَلْبُهُمْ وَيَقُولُونَ خَمْسَةٌ سَادِسُهُمْ كَلْبُهُمْ رَجْمًا بِالْغَيْبِ ۖ وَيَقُولُونَ سَبْعَةٌ وَثَامِنُهُمْ كَلْبُهُمْ ۚ قُل رَّبِّي أَعْلَمُ بِعِدَّتِهِم مَّا يَعْلَمُهُمْ إِلَّا قَلِيلٌ ۗ فَلَا تُمَارِ فِيهِمْ إِلَّا مِرَاءً ظَاهِرًا وَلَا تَسْتَفْتِ فِيهِم مِّنْهُمْ أَحَدًا
Do you read some other Quran?
Where in Quran you find dogs are haram, are like feces and unclean like infidels?
A dog is rather mentioned as company of pious people in Quran.
إِذْ أَوَى الْفِتْيَةُ إِلَى الْكَهْفِ فَقَالُوا رَبَّنَا آتِنَا مِن لَّدُنكَ رَحْمَةً وَهَيِّئْ لَنَا مِنْ أَمْرِنَا رَشَدًا
َيَقُولُونَ ثَلَاثَةٌ رَّابِعُهُمْ كَلْبُهُمْ وَيَقُولُونَ خَمْسَةٌ سَادِسُهُمْ كَلْبُهُمْ رَجْمًا بِالْغَيْبِ ۖ وَيَقُولُونَ سَبْعَةٌ وَثَامِنُهُمْ كَلْبُهُمْ ۚ قُل رَّبِّي أَعْلَمُ بِعِدَّتِهِم مَّا يَعْلَمُهُمْ إِلَّا قَلِيلٌ ۗ فَلَا تُمَارِ فِيهِمْ إِلَّا مِرَاءً ظَاهِرًا وَلَا تَسْتَفْتِ فِيهِم مِّنْهُمْ أَحَدًا
Do you read some other Quran?
written by malem , July 27, 2012
Yibel you again have proven you have limited knowledge of the subject at hand. Dogs are never designated as Haram anywhere in the Quran. This again is just rumors you have heard on the street or internet which you take as truth. Sort of like the 72 virgin line. Instead of just assuming everything on the internet is true, actually study up on the subject at hand lad. It will help grow your mind and allow you to discuss the topic without looking foolish.
Now to your Dog comment, there is no place in the Quran the indicates dogs are Haram. If you want to try and make that argument about hadith, again you are wrong. There are a few hadith where it mentions "only keep dogs in your house for a purpose like herding hunting etc" make sense, and another one I recal that states if a dogs mouth comes in contact with your cup/plate etc you should wash it. Both these things are not saying dogs are haram rather offer pretty good advice.
Now to your Dog comment, there is no place in the Quran the indicates dogs are Haram. If you want to try and make that argument about hadith, again you are wrong. There are a few hadith where it mentions "only keep dogs in your house for a purpose like herding hunting etc" make sense, and another one I recal that states if a dogs mouth comes in contact with your cup/plate etc you should wash it. Both these things are not saying dogs are haram rather offer pretty good advice.
written by Yibel , July 28, 2012
all follow the aHadith and Sunnah as well as the Qur'an. Islam stands on two pillars: 1) Commandments of Allah as enshrined in the Quran, and 2) Commands, actions and deeds of Prophet Muhammad. In more than a dozen verses (3:32; 4:13,59,69; 5:92; 8:1,20,46; 9:71; 24:47,51–52,54,56; 33:33; 47:33; 49:14; 58:13; 64:12), the Quran commands Muslims to follow Allah AND His Apostle (i.e. Muhammad). So, the commands, deeds, and actions of Prophet Muhammad are no less important in Islam than Allah’s commands and precepts in the Quran.
Here are a few ahadith that show dogs in bad light:
1. Dogs reduce the good deeds of Muslims:
Bukhari 3:515: Narrated Abu Huraira: “Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever keeps a dog, one Qirat of the reward of his good deeds is deducted daily, unless the dog is used for guarding a farm or cattle." Abu Huraira (in another narration) said from the Prophet, "unless it is used for guarding sheep or farms, or for hunting." Narrated Abu Hazim from Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "A dog for guarding cattle or for hunting."”
2. Dogs spoil a Muslim's prayers:
a) Bukhari Vol. 1, #490: Narrated 'Aisha: "he things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, “Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people).” I said, “You have made us (i.e. women) dogs. I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away, for I disliked to face him.""
b) Abu Dawud Number 704: Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: Ikrimah reported on the authority of Ibn Abbas, saying: I think the Apostle of Allah said: When one of you prays without a sutrah, a dog, an ass, a pig, a Jew, a Magian, and a woman cut off his prayer, but it will suffice if they pass in front of him at a distance of over a stone's throw.
3. Angels don’t enter a house having dogs:
Bukhari 3:515: Narrated Abu Huraira: “I heard Allah's Apostle saying; "Angels (of Mercy) do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or a picture of a living creature (a human being or an animal)."”
4. Kill the Dogs:
a) Malik's Muwatta, Book 54, Number 54.5.13: "Malik related from Nafi from Abdullah Ibn Umar that the Messenger of God ordered all dogs (other than sheepdogs or hunting dogs) to be killed".
b) Hanbal 4/85; 5/54: The Messenger of God said: "You shall kill all black dogs; because they are devils."
Here are a few ahadith that show dogs in bad light:
1. Dogs reduce the good deeds of Muslims:
Bukhari 3:515: Narrated Abu Huraira: “Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever keeps a dog, one Qirat of the reward of his good deeds is deducted daily, unless the dog is used for guarding a farm or cattle." Abu Huraira (in another narration) said from the Prophet, "unless it is used for guarding sheep or farms, or for hunting." Narrated Abu Hazim from Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "A dog for guarding cattle or for hunting."”
2. Dogs spoil a Muslim's prayers:
a) Bukhari Vol. 1, #490: Narrated 'Aisha: "he things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, “Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people).” I said, “You have made us (i.e. women) dogs. I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away, for I disliked to face him.""
b) Abu Dawud Number 704: Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: Ikrimah reported on the authority of Ibn Abbas, saying: I think the Apostle of Allah said: When one of you prays without a sutrah, a dog, an ass, a pig, a Jew, a Magian, and a woman cut off his prayer, but it will suffice if they pass in front of him at a distance of over a stone's throw.
3. Angels don’t enter a house having dogs:
Bukhari 3:515: Narrated Abu Huraira: “I heard Allah's Apostle saying; "Angels (of Mercy) do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or a picture of a living creature (a human being or an animal)."”
4. Kill the Dogs:
a) Malik's Muwatta, Book 54, Number 54.5.13: "Malik related from Nafi from Abdullah Ibn Umar that the Messenger of God ordered all dogs (other than sheepdogs or hunting dogs) to be killed".
b) Hanbal 4/85; 5/54: The Messenger of God said: "You shall kill all black dogs; because they are devils."
written by Duke Indian , July 28, 2012
In your post replying to Yibel, you quote some Arabic text without its meaning and sura/verse No. I request you to kindly provide meaning and ref.no. too whenever you quote something in Arabic, as most of the people visiting this site do not know Arabic and so are unable to understand your scholarship and knowledge.
written by Yibel , July 28, 2012
Reed Wilson's Arabic verses are from Qur'an Al-Kahif, The Holy Cave, 18:18-22. This is the story of the Seven Sleepers of Ephesus (Eastern Orthodox feast days Oct 22/23, Aug 2; Roman Catholic feast day July 27), one of many tales that Muhammad plagarized.
The story is about some CHRISTIAN lads that hid in a cave to avoid being killed during a time when Christianity was forbidden by the Romans. When they emerged - after sleeping for several hundred years - Christianity had been declared okay. Muhammad's stone-gawd - or his go-between spirit Jibril - couldn't remember how many Christian guys were in the cave, so Muhammad had to make a guess; he decided to cover all the bases (3, 5, 7) and throw in a guard dog for good measure (to cover the 4, 6, and 8). Jibril told him: Say: "My Lord best knows their number. Few know them.' In other words, Muhammad had heard different versions of the story in his caravan traveling days and just didn't know which one was correct.
This story had been around for several hundred years before Muhammad, and was still being told in the 14th century in Christian countries, by people who had never read, or even heard of the Quran. The story was included in the western Golden Legend, by far the most popular book of the later middle ages and Gibbon included this tale in his "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire." (Google "seven sleepers ephesus" for complete story or fordham.edu/halsall/basis/7sleepers.asp.)
The story is about some CHRISTIAN lads that hid in a cave to avoid being killed during a time when Christianity was forbidden by the Romans. When they emerged - after sleeping for several hundred years - Christianity had been declared okay. Muhammad's stone-gawd - or his go-between spirit Jibril - couldn't remember how many Christian guys were in the cave, so Muhammad had to make a guess; he decided to cover all the bases (3, 5, 7) and throw in a guard dog for good measure (to cover the 4, 6, and 8). Jibril told him: Say: "My Lord best knows their number. Few know them.' In other words, Muhammad had heard different versions of the story in his caravan traveling days and just didn't know which one was correct.
This story had been around for several hundred years before Muhammad, and was still being told in the 14th century in Christian countries, by people who had never read, or even heard of the Quran. The story was included in the western Golden Legend, by far the most popular book of the later middle ages and Gibbon included this tale in his "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire." (Google "seven sleepers ephesus" for complete story or fordham.edu/halsall/basis/7sleepers.asp.)
written by Duke Indian , July 28, 2012
Thanks a lot for your wonderful explanation, Yibel. It is a fact that most of the verses in Quran are either incoherent or vague or conveying a distorted picture. One of the reasons for that may be Mohammed's unashamed plagiarism of Bible and Talmud stories. He wanted to put those stories as short as possible, but ended up in tales without head or tale. No muslim can explain these stories without depending upon Bible/ Talmud.Yet, all muslims will claim that Bible/ Talmud is corrupted. What a joke! I appreciate the good work done by you through these columns. You are indeed a bastion of knowledge and what is more, you have been exceedingly successful in exposing many a lie told by the shameless muslim apologists in this site.
written by Reed Wilson. , July 28, 2012
Yibel. " Reed Wilson's Arabic verses are from Qur'an Al-Kahif, The Holy Cave, 18:18-22. This is the story of the Seven Sleepers of Ephesus (Eastern Orthodox feast days Oct 22/23, Aug 2; Roman Catholic feast day July 27), one of many tales that Muhammad plagarized."
No sura of Quran is on any particular topic except sura Yousuf.
If the story is not correct it is the mistake of the book which is plagiarized. From where plagiarized?
We know that plagiarize means to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source
Muhammad did not claimed the authorship of the story. Quran does not say that they were seven.
No sura of Quran is on any particular topic except sura Yousuf.
If the story is not correct it is the mistake of the book which is plagiarized. From where plagiarized?
We know that plagiarize means to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source
Muhammad did not claimed the authorship of the story. Quran does not say that they were seven.
written by Reed Wilson. , July 28, 2012
Yibel. Can you give the source where 18:18-22 are copied?
You know Yibel that Muslims are supposed to read all scriptures?
هَا أَنتُمْ أُولَاءِ تُحِبُّونَهُمْ وَلَا يُحِبُّونَكُمْ وَتُؤْمِنُونَ بِالْكِتَابِ كُلِّهِ وَإِذَا لَقُوكُمْ قَالُوا آمَنَّا وَإِذَا خَلَوْا عَضُّوا عَلَيْكُمُ الْأَنَامِلَ مِنَ الْغَيْظِ ۚ قُلْ مُوتُوا بِغَيْظِكُمْ ۗ إِنَّ اللَّـهَ عَلِيمٌ بِذَاتِ الصُّدُورِ
You know Yibel that Muslims are supposed to read all scriptures?
هَا أَنتُمْ أُولَاءِ تُحِبُّونَهُمْ وَلَا يُحِبُّونَكُمْ وَتُؤْمِنُونَ بِالْكِتَابِ كُلِّهِ وَإِذَا لَقُوكُمْ قَالُوا آمَنَّا وَإِذَا خَلَوْا عَضُّوا عَلَيْكُمُ الْأَنَامِلَ مِنَ الْغَيْظِ ۚ قُلْ مُوتُوا بِغَيْظِكُمْ ۗ إِنَّ اللَّـهَ عَلِيمٌ بِذَاتِ الصُّدُورِ
written by Duke Indian , July 29, 2012
'If the story is not correct it is the mistake of the book which is plagiarized. From where plagiarized?'
'Yibel. Can you give the source where 18:18-22 are copied?'
Reed Wilson, if you read Yibel's post carefully, you will understand from where Mohammed copied this story and where it is originally mentioned. He has also given the reason why Mohammed did not give the exact no. of cave dwellers. The fact is that Mohammed also did not know. Hence the escapist euphemism 'My Lord best knows their number. Few know them.' Since 'my lord' was revealing everything, he could have revealed the no. of cave men too. Cunningly he did not do that. Because everything was mired in controversy.
I had one grouse against you. That is, you are not giving the meaning or reference no. of the Arabic text you so extensively quote in your posts. In the latter part of your above post too you have done it. Please avoid it.
written by Reed Wilson. , July 29, 2012
Duke Indian. I have written to Yibel "We know that plagiarize means to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source. Muhammad did not claimed the authorship of the story."
By all that I mean that it was not plagiarized.
I also said "Quran does not say that they were seven." His source was saying they were seven. Therefore no plagiarizing.
Yibel knows the no. of verse. I agree that for others I must mention. It is 3:119.
By all that I mean that it was not plagiarized.
I also said "Quran does not say that they were seven." His source was saying they were seven. Therefore no plagiarizing.
Yibel knows the no. of verse. I agree that for others I must mention. It is 3:119.
written by illawarrior , July 29, 2012
Religion is matter faith. No-one can prove that gods exist, just as no-one can prove they do not. However .. one can look at the interaction of possibility / probability / logic and make informed decisions. Over the years there have been various religions who maintain that their god(s) is/(are) the one and only true god(s).
Logically ... at best.... only ONE ... or at worst ... NONE, of these claims can be correct. Calculate the odds! Chances are ....they are ALL wrong, and religion is simply a hoax perpetrated to control the uneducated masses!
Logically ... at best.... only ONE ... or at worst ... NONE, of these claims can be correct. Calculate the odds! Chances are ....they are ALL wrong, and religion is simply a hoax perpetrated to control the uneducated masses!
written by Duke Indian , July 29, 2012
I think you will agree that almost all stories narrated in Quran are copied from Bible/ Talmud. To explain those stories you need the backing of Bible/ Talmud too. The word meaning of plagiarism is, of course, what you described and there is no wrong in describing Mohammed's copying as plagiarism, since he does not mention the source anywhere except that it is the words of his lord according to him, which we know that, is a facade. What he had done is mere copying, that too very often ambiguously and most haphazardly, without disclosing its source. So, the word plagiarism can be used for his unabashed copying. Secondly, Yibel has explained that the original story/fable said that there were seven of them, but there were so many disputes regarding the exact no. In order to escape this controversy only, Mohammed very cunningly used the euphemism, 'My Lord best knows their number. Few know them.' , so that he thought he would bring some authenticity to the story. That is why, I remarked in my previous post that 'my lord' was revealing everything, then what prevented him from revealing the exact no. of them. Mohammed's skulduggery here alone is enough to show that the Quran is not from his lord Allah, but the creation of his hallucinated mind.
written by Duke Indian , July 29, 2012
Your statement that no one can prove existence of God is 100% true. The world has seen so many geniuses in the history of mankind and nobody could do it so far. So, logically there is no God or Gods. But, what is the stark reality we find around us everyday? The no. of godbelievers is increasing only, day by day, not decreasing. You just cannot go to any pilgrim centre because of the heavy rush there. Even the communists who profess no faith in God throng there. I remember that when I was young i.e during the seventies and eighties, there were a no. of atheist magazines in my native language. Recently I made a study. Not even one of them is there now. They have all closed shop, because no readers are there. On the contrary, the religious magazines are ruling the roost. They are dime a dozen and new ones are mushrooming everyday. Even in the name of astrology, a seudo- science, there are good no. of magazines. There is no dearth of people for god matters everywhere. Even the fake god-men in flesh and blood are doing a roaring business in the name of God. Compared to this huge crowd, the atheists have become a microscopic minority. Why? The science has been progressing and spreading everywhere during this period. Yet, the believers are increasing and the atheists are progressively coming down. Why? What is the reason? Why the people at large are refusing to accept the no- god theory? Why they are going after the illusory, non- existent God? People who reject God outright should try to find out answers to these questions also.
written by Reed Wilson. , July 30, 2012
Duke Indian. Do you know the history of Bible? When it was compiled in present form.
written by Reed Wilson. , July 30, 2012
Duke Indian. "Quran is not from his lord Allah, but the creation of his hallucinated mind". But Quran says it is from Allah. It addresses Muhammad as servant and messenger. He is reprimanded alo at some places.
If you dont believe that it is from Allah and is from Muhammad, I dont have to refute you. Please yourself.
If you dont believe that it is from Allah and is from Muhammad, I dont have to refute you. Please yourself.
written by Duke Indian , July 30, 2012
The history of Bible is irrelevant with reference to the stories copied down by Mohammed from it and presented in a haphazard manner in the Quran. What is relevant is whether these stories are copied or not. No doubt it is copied and I challenge you whether any muslim scholar can explain these stories without the help of Bible/ Talmud. Even the suras named Ibrahim and Yousef which is supposed to be entirely used to tell the stories of the respective historical Jew patriarchs Abraham and Joseph are also inadequate in details and devoid of chronological continuity and described in a very crude manner. The fact is that there is no chronological order anywhere in the Quran. Even the chapters or suras in Quran are arranged according to the length of its text, not according to chronological order in which it was revealed. Have you heard of this non- sense anywhere- the chapters of a book being arranged according to its length, rather than the importance and relevance of its content or chronological order? The language or narration of text in Quran is very crude and everything described not in a straight way, but a very circuitous and falsified way. Quran claims it is very simple and clear and what not. But the fact is, the narration is crude and the ideas are expressed in a very vague or ambiguous style with the result that you can interpret it in more than one way. Hence, all the confusion and misinterpretations. The book needs a rigorous editing in my opinion. In the creation of Quran, I don't find any divine powers, but a crude, inept and scheming human hand only.
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