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Blood Sacrifice in the Name of Allah

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No human behavior is more hidden or misunderstood than offering sacrifice, both animal and human. Were blood sacrifice in vogue today, we certainly would be guilty of any number of animal rights violations, not to mention that modern psychology identifies the killing of animals to be an early marker for sociopathy.


“The superficial truth is sometimes a blatant lie. While, the errors of history can never be accidental: the writer only knew what was known at the time…?” –BroKaan

They can be politically deceptive: confessions of guilt extracted by torture. Finally, history can be bent to suit the ideology of the times: Nixon was a crook, now he gets a stamp. It's worthwhile to look at history with an eye for possible lapses and to keep the historian's biases in mind. This is especially true when considering the issue of sacrifice. Researching this essay has shown me that no human behavior is more hidden or misunderstood than offering sacrifice, both animal and human. Here, I'll demonstrate that blood sacrifice is part of a heritage of almost all religious shares.

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Animal sacrifice in Ancient Greece. Attic red-figure
inochoe, ca. 430–425 BC (Louvre).

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Horrible Islamic cruelty to appease Allah

There has always been cultures throughout history of mankind that have made sacrifices to their God, Deities or idols – all in order for pleasing these holy Gods hoping to gain their favors. There are many religious ceremonies that have included sacrifice, the act of giving up something of value and offering it to a deity. Worshipers may make a sacrifice to win the favor of the deity, to give thanks, or to maintain a good relationship with their God. Myths from around the world contain many examples of sacrifices in which animals, humans, and even Gods shed blood or die. Sometimes the sacrifice is linked to creation or with the continuation of life on earth. A Sacrifice is the offering of food, objects or the lives of animals to a higher purpose as an act of propitiation or worship. While sacrifice often implies ritual killing, the term offering (Latin oblatio) can be used for bloodless sacrifices of cereal food or artifacts. For offerings of liquids (beverages) by pouring, the term libation is used. A sacrifice is defined as the ‘offering up of something precious for a cause or a reason. Making atonement is like satisfying someone or something for an offence committed.

An animal sacrifice is the ritual killing of an animal as part of a religious belief. It is practiced by adherents of many religions as a means of appeasing their gods or changing the course of nature. It also serves a social or economic function in cultures, where the edible portions of the animal were distributed among those attending the sacrifice for consumption. Animal sacrifice has turned up in almost all cultures, from the Hebrews to the Greeks and Romans (particularly the purifying ceremony Lustratio), Ancient Egyptians (for example in the cult of Apis) and from the Aztecs to the Yoruba. Animal sacrifice is still practiced today by the followers of Santería and other lineages of Orisa in India as a means of curing the sick and giving thanks to the Orisa (gods). However in Santeria, such animal offerings constitute an extremely small portion of what are termed ebos—ritual activities that include offerings, prayer and deeds. Christians from some villages in Greece also sacrifice animals to Orthodox saints in a practice known as kourbània. The practice, while publicly condemned, is often tolerated.

There were many times throughout the Bible that sacrificial offerings were made to God. In most cases a virgin lamb was used. You will note that in most animal sacrifices, the animal has to be virgin. This is because it is supposed to be pure! You will also note that God has only found blood sacrifice pleasing. We have the story of Cain and Abel where Abel used blood sacrifice and found the favor of God and Cain used vegetables and did not find favor with God so Cain got jealous and killed Abel. And we have Prophet Abraham in the Bible who was asked to sacrifice his firstborn son to God. Replacing animal life for human life, but then God stopped him, for he was supposedly only testing him…?

No human behavior is more hidden or misunderstood than offering sacrifice, both animal and human. Were blood sacrifice in vogue today, we certainly would be guilty of any number of animal rights violations, not to mention that modern psychology identifies the killing of animals to be an early marker for sociopathy.

If the Israelites abolished all blood sacrifices, replacing it with the revolutionary idea of personal responsibility, then why does Islam (the other Abrahamic religion) still continue to follows this old ways and offer live animal blood sacrifices to Allah? All beliefs are in a state of flux…?

Today, Islam is the only religion that practises blood sacrifice as a ritualistic norm on huge scale, which increase by the year! An animal sacrifice in Arabic is called ḏabiḥa (ذَبِيْحَة) or Qurbani (قُرْبَان). The term may have roots from the Jewish term Korban; in some places such as in Pakistan, qurbani is always used for Islamic animal sacrifice. In the Islamic context, an animal sacrifice referred to as ḏabiḥa (ذَبِيْحَة) meaning "sacrifice as a ritual" is offered only in Eid ul-Adha. The sacrificial animal may be a lamb, a sheep, a goat, a camel, or a cow. The animal must be healthy and conscious. "Therefore to the Lord turn in Prayer and Sacrifice." (Surah Al-Kawthar) Quran, 108.2 Qurbani is an Islamic prescription for the affluent to share their good fortunes with the needy in the community. On the occasion of Eid ul Adha (Festival of Sacrifice), affluent Muslims all over the world perform the Sunnah of Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham) by sacrificing a cow, camel, goat or sheep. The meat is then divided into three equal parts. One part is retained by the person, who offers the holy sacrifice to Allah. The second is given to his relatives. The third part is distributed amongst the poor. The Qur'an states that the sacrifice has nothing to do with the blood and gore (Qur'an 22:37: "It is not their meat nor their blood that reaches Allah. It is your piety that reaches Him..."). Rather, it is done to help the poor and in remembrance of Prophet Abraham's willingness to sacrifice his son Ishmael at God's command.

Let's face it. Religious scriptures are full of Blood Sacrifices and killings, all in the name of God or Deity. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

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why wud any god like blood of innocent animals ?? its so absurd !!!
written by HARKAT UL JIHAD EI KAFIROOON , October 18, 2012
why wud any god like blood of innocent animals ?? its so absurd !!! primitive men used it but today is a different story.

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Blood sacrifice
written by Truth , October 18, 2012
According to ancient occult systems evil demands blood sacrifice. That is fulfilled in islam through jihad and animal sacrifices. Human sacrifice is jihad.This makes the evil stronger.Islam worships evil
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@ Everyone
written by This is Rami Rustom , October 18, 2012
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Sacrifice
written by balam , October 18, 2012
If you believe inGod who created the heavens and earth and also created man in HIS OWN IMMAGEandHe gave life and provided everything free.He never charges for the air we breath,the sun,the rain.In return,He expects us to show some gratitde.In the earliest culture,the animals were a man's main possession and people sacrificed the animals to show that they could part with their main possession.God tested his FRIEND ABRAHAM to sacrice his son Isaac from his wife SARAH,the fruit of their old age.He did not ask ISHMAEL to be sacrificed because he was the son of his SLAVE woman and SARAH would have been glad when she had a son of her own.The Jews and Christian do not offer blood sacrifices.It is only Muslims and Black VOODO worshippers who are still engaged in that.In Mecca,at Kabba,the Pagans also sacrificed animals to their pagan gods and Mohammad also did that because his male issues did not survive.Muslims sacrifice animals to make a connection with ISHMAEL who was not an ARAB.His mother was EGYPTIAN-a North AFRICAN and father a HEBREW.It is a waste.They can sacrifice in helping the poor segment of their society themselves rather than the WEST to sacrifice their TAX dollars for these hateful,blood thirsty Muslims.
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In the Photo above
written by xyz , October 18, 2012

Why I am imagining that the man with the dagger in his hand slitting the throat is our old man Malem and to the left with a cloth on head is abc and to the right is kope.
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Bomb blast foiled (Jihadi pig arrested)
written by Rationalist , October 18, 2012
(Musalman jis thali mein khaate hain usi mein thook they hain = Muslims spit in the same plate they eat)

FBI Foils New York Fed Bomb Plot

U.S. NEWS Updated October 17, 2012, 7:28 p.m. ET

BY TAMER EL-GHOBASHY AND DEVLIN BARRETT

A Bangladeshi man was arrested Wednesday and charged with trying to detonate a 1,000-pound car bomb outside the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, a target he chose in a bid to disrupt the U.S. economy, authorities said.

Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis was taken into custody in a lower Manhattan hotel room after repeatedly using a cellphone to try to detonate material that he believed was a bomb in a van parked outside the New York Fed, officials said.

Mr. Nafis, who is 21 years old, was held without bail after a brief arraignment Wednesday afternoon in U.S. District ...

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NAFIS
written by balam , October 18, 2012
This Muslim Bengali's name means 'DECENT' but look at his actions.Every Muslim is a POTENTIAL TERRORIST.They are like the cluster bombs made by Mohammad of Arabia.Time has come to get rid of them all from the Christian West.Time to put OBAMA-THE MUSLIM also out of the WHITE HOUSE.A man is as he thinks.He is Anti-Israel because he is a MUSLIM.
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Xyz
written by abc , October 18, 2012
Mr got it all is back. The pakistani in UAE with the white wife, hence max respect, loves clubs and drink and now we find he wears designer labels too.
Every body wants be like mike, but mike wants to be xyz. Amazing!
Do you have 50 cents in the club tune playing in your head on a continuous loop??
I bet they love you like they love PAC???
:-)
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both are butcher
written by real indian , October 18, 2012
Muslim and Christian both are butcher animal slaughter. non veg.Both are living grave of animals
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butcher
written by real hindu , October 18, 2012
Muslim and Christian both are butcher
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butcher
written by real hindu , October 18, 2012
Muslim and Christian both are butcher
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written by Brown Superman , October 18, 2012
If showing gratitude is by offering/sacrificing the life ........ of animals and sometimes humans, then the best of sacrifices will be offering the life of oneself. This will eventually put an end to life sacrifices.
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ISLAM = killing with cruelty
written by kafir-infidel , October 18, 2012
ISLAM was born in cruelty,violence,hatred and killing. Mo raided ,looted,plundered,killed unarmed ,unsuspecting children,women and people when he went on rampage of ghazwa . ISLAM invented the method of HALAL for butchery of animals and humans - beheadings is a daily occurence in Moslem countries . Millions of animals are made halal meat during bakrid and it is a feast and festival for MOHAMMADENS.
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Religion-induced histeria
written by Kaser , October 18, 2012
Sacrificing animals in the name of a non-existent god is absurd at best.
But explainable: any human believing that earth was "created" by a "god" a couple of thousand years ago can pretty much believe anything else his religion dictates.
Including killing humans... non believers are just that no? Animals? Jews are pigs right? So it's ok to kill them also?

Brown Superman,
Suicide is downright tragic when committed by humans facing despair in their lives and/or stricken by disease.
Suicide is hysterically funny when committed by humans in the name of their religion...
...but I'm afraid that many that do sacrifice their lives, in the name of the top ranking suicide-inducing religion, do so while killing others in a Jihadi/Martyrdom/orgy.
That's tragic and must be stopped at all costs.
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kaser
written by malem , October 18, 2012
Yet you have no problem sacrificing the poor tomato and his brother lettuce! Stop the madness!! See you all in a few weeks, leaving for hajj tomorrow. Ciao
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with love from INDIA
written by real hindu , October 18, 2012
now kick out Islam Christianity and lean about Hinduism http://www.belurmath.org/home.htm
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Gen. Dostum
written by Jimat Khorasan , October 19, 2012
I wish someone would perform Qurbani on Malem's neck during his Haj; mad satanic Allah will be pleased!!

Maybe Malem would get admitted into Jannah this way....the sooner the better for all on this site!

Imagine having such pea brain ......; comparing tomatoes to living animals!!
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AAMIN
written by real hindu , October 19, 2012
DEAR Jimat Khorasan AAMIN
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Jimat fool
written by abc , October 19, 2012
What kind of pleb are you? Don't you recognise a sarcastic response?
Then wishing the person would be killed because of it!
You need a slap my friend!
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re: Malem
written by Gnostic , October 19, 2012
So you think that god wants men to behave like dirty little cowards and beat their wives? Do you call this wisdom?

No, it is very stupid and criminal thinking!
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abc
written by xyz , October 19, 2012

You got it wrong my friend. What I meant was that I get much more respect from colored and black people ( e.g bouncers at the club) when I am with my white wife.
They will allow us with a smile but they will stop and question colored. It proves to me that black and colored are genetically inferior or slaves to whites.
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abc
written by xyz , October 19, 2012

Regarding hajj and qurbani, are you cutting a goat or a cow or a camel this Eid?

Also you have to get out of kaffir land and go to your holy land Saudi for once to perform hajj. Are you preparing yourself for that? This must be a nightmare for you!!
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Malem
written by Kaser , October 19, 2012
Have fun spinning around the Kaaba!
Looking forward to your return after properly paying your dues to Saudis and worshipping the cube!
Ciao!
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My God is bigger than yours...
written by Angry Ant , October 19, 2012
Forget the idiocy- ALL gods are imaginary, security blankets for the fearful and the stupid.
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Hajj
written by Angry Ant , October 19, 2012
Mecca as a thermonuclear wasteland... has a certain appeal
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Mr
written by Vijit , October 19, 2012
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both are sinner
written by know the real religion , October 19, 2012
forget Islam and Christianity learn true religion.
both are sinner, killer, butcher.
http://www.indiabbt.com/
http://www.awgp.org/Establishments/shantikunj/
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No Blood Sacrifice in Islam.
written by Reed Wilson. , October 19, 2012
Allah never asked for animal sacrifice. So many, may be more than 90% Muslims declare that they cannot afford the high cost of animals and Allah has said:

"Allah does not burden anyone, except with something within its capacity; beneficial for it is the virtue it earned, and harmful for it is the evil it earned". Quran 2:286

لَا يُكَلِّفُ اللَّـهُ نَفْسًا إِلَّا وُسْعَهَا ۚ لَهَا مَا كَسَبَتْ وَعَلَيْهَا مَا اكْتَسَبَتْ ۗ

Animal sacrifice is contrary to Islam. It is discouraged in Quran.
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written by Reed Wilson. , October 19, 2012
Pure Hinduism is also Islam.
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to reed
written by annad , October 19, 2012
You are obviously practicing your own religion hich you created for youself by pcking pieces from different creeds. Why do you call it islam?
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if we sacrifice muslims allah will be pleased
written by HARKAT UL JIHAD EI KAFIROOON , October 19, 2012


allah loves muslims allah loves blood,so if we sacrifice muslims and offer their blood to imaginary allah he will be most pleased.

alhamdulilaa
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Admin
written by Malem , October 19, 2012
You should address the threat of violence by the poster GEN DOSTUM
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The pride of evil religion
written by Montegue , October 19, 2012
There is no religion as despicable as Islam, in that it demands the practices of human sacrifice, the exercise of cruelty toward their fellowmen, and inflict them the greatest pain that Muslims themselves refuse to endure. In their treatments of others who defy them, they count them as subhuman with disregard of their semblance as human being, take pride of their cruelty, and display their savagery. Non-Muslims ought to remember their treatment of Nick Berg in 2004, the most inhuman execution of an innocent man on display in internet era. More despicable is their praising of Allah for the evil deeds. Still more, since its foundation, Islam has by default considered non-Muslims guilty, i.e. not innocent; thus render the evil deeds perfectly acceptable to Allah.

Evil deity begets evil worshipers.
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written by Reed Wilson. , October 19, 2012
annad. You write "You are obviously practicing your own religion which you created for yourself by picking pieces from different creeds. Why do you call it islam?

Thank you anand. It is my own religion as I am the one who chose it for me. It is following Quran. I call it Islam because it is called Islam. I did not get your 'picking pieces from different creeds'. What are those pieces and where they came from?
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Offerings at Hajj
written by Yibel , October 20, 2012
Qur'an refers to sacrifices of animals in verses 2:196, 5:95, 5:98, and 22:26.

Reed Wilson, you state that: "Animal sacrifice is contrary to Islam. It is discouraged in Quran." Would you please quote chapter and verse where this discouragement takes place?

You also state: "Pure Hinduism is also Islam. " Please provide evidence to back up this statement.

Allah said in verse 8:12 - 'Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks (beheadings) and smite all their finger-tips off them (i.e. finger amputate)." '

Allah further said in 9:111 - "The believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."

Allah also orders ITS believers to ""slay the infidels (i.e. non-believers)" in Qur'an passages 2:191; 4:89; and 9:5. Do you - in following your "own religion" which you call "Islam" - follow these instructions?
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Reed Wilson … Please, listen to me
written by fineliving56 , October 20, 2012
I just like to say I am sorry to disappoint you again of what I am about to say :

Quran and Islam does not discourage sacrifice of Animals like you said ..I do not know how you got that kind of wrong information …

That Aya you quoted, 2/ 286 .. has nothing to do with sacrifice …..

all you have to do is ** read on in Surah al baqara and read Aya 196 …. as you can make out that , 196 …. not, only allows the sacrifice of animals, it considered a thing a Muslim MUST do, if HE OR SHE could not finish processes of Haaj [ pilgrimage ] and Amrah [ visitation] because of scalp ailment, they have to fast or feed the hungry or [ slaughtering animals .

There are many Ayas in Quran which talks about sacrifices of animals … every Muslim I know including my husband sacrifice sheep for both Aeed holidays and for Ramadan and every death of a Muslim the family kill sheep and distribute it to the poor, … my mother did that for all her family who died …. they call it '' fidya ala rooh al mawta '' …

I watched it ones in my life last year and I will never do that ever again .. i still picture the two poor sheep jerking their legs as blood sprout out everywhere and let go of their last breath.

Before you ask about the words [ al Hada mina Allah ] in 2/ 196 … they literally means '' gifts '' or '' offerings '' meaning '' the sheep and other animals like cows and camels who are gifts from Allah to us to sacrifice .

Islam has every thing to do with the slaughter of animals
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ISLAM is cruel, inhuman,hatred, killing
written by kafir-infidel , October 20, 2012
How any thinking, intelligent human being with a little knowledge , can even think of this monstrous cult called ISLAM - as a religion. ? ISLAM does not belong in human civilization. ISLAM is darkness, cruelty,evil,hatred.
ISLAM has this idea called TAQIYYA . - deception,lying,cheating for ISLAM by a moslem to advance his religion !!1
ISLAM has MUBAHILA , the cursing tournament in which MO practiced and asked his followers to curse ,abuse and wish all ill will on them. THAT is why True MOSLEM followers are seen wishing death to unbelievers and destruction of their countries !!! EVERYTHING ABOUT ISLAM is BIZARRE and darkness. ISLAM was born in violence and killing .
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BLOOD SACRIFICE in ISLAM , REED is hallucinating and playing TAQIYYA
written by kafir-infidel , October 20, 2012
REED you are nothing but a BOZO. HOW can you even compare HINDUISM , the noblest DHARMA with ISLAM , the darlest ,cruelest ,violent theology? You are mot thinking with your sound mind !!!
DONT you know HALAL animals ( cutting throat , beheading humans ) are daily practices of MOSLEMS ? DID you see numerous videos , doings by MOSLEMS , where you can see moslems cutting the throats of animals with one stroke and also cutting the throats of humans ?
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Reed
written by Dwito , October 20, 2012
Pure Hinduism is also Islam.


Describe what pure Hinduism is and how is it compatible to Islam?
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To Real Hindu
written by Archpagan , October 20, 2012
'now kick out Islam Christianity and lean about Hinduism'.

Hi buddy, this is not the way Ramkrishna Mission canvas Hinduism. They behave like an ideal dhimmi. Learn about activities of the Sangh Parivaar i. e. RSS, BJP etc.
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Archpagan
written by abc , October 20, 2012
Maybe you should read this :

http://www.indianet.nl/pdf/TheUglyFaceOfSanghParivar.pdf

The Christians are being slaughtered as well as most non Hindus.
Stay classy!
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abc
written by xyz , October 20, 2012
Muslims even eat tongues, brains, stomach, intestines, ears, feet, even testicles of these sacrificed animals. Yakkkkkkkk..... Can you believe that????
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Xyz
written by abc , October 20, 2012
Hunger has a way of doing that.
Next time you are in Scotland, do try the haggis!
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To abc
written by Archpagan , October 20, 2012
Sangh Parivaar is against Abrahamic Monotheism, they do not hate any people. I understand your heartburn at the very mention of Sangh Parivaar, as it's the largest anti-Islam body in the world. They profess Integrated Humanism with guiding principle - VASUDHAIVA KUTUMBAKAM- meaning 'the whole world is a family.' Abrahamic Monotheism has only divided humanity into Jew, Christian, Muslim and heathens.

Delve into your family history to know how you became a Muslim.
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xyz
written by fineliving56 , October 20, 2012
Now, Please try to not be too grossed out … I am sorry I hope you are not vegan , if you are, WARNING DO NOT READ ……. :- )

It is true …

All the parts of sheep you listed are eaten as delicacies … especially the brains

All get cooked and eaten … I cook them for husband [ no way I will eat them ] ,,I do not cooks them often, because it is not easy to cook the head of lamp and intestines .

The head , has to be watched with soup, soaked over night in lemon peel and vinegar, lighted , eyes removed, brushed teeth [ that is my thing, I never heard of anyone who brush the teeth of sheep, but I do out of sheer grossness, I do it with a designated sheep tooth brush .. ..lol]

Then boiled with garlic, onion, cinnamon sticks, all spice … after cooked, the bones are removed, add bread ships and a squeeze of lemon .

The intestine … go through the same treatment after cleaning it is stuffed with rice and meat with spices and boiled and fried .

I just like to add .. Muslims are not the only ones who, eat all these parts in the middle east, middle eastern Christians do too .. it is a culture thing over their .

Also … the eating of all parts of sheep started by the poor who had so little money to buy the best parts of sheep … groosy parts are cheaper .



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Humans are still not advanced !!
written by peace lover , October 20, 2012
we humans are still living in concrete jungle. we still depend on animals for our food. we should find out all vegetarian source and other alternate meat source for food. In the name of religion, we can not continue stupid things and kill animals.
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Archpagan
written by abc , October 21, 2012
Great slogan
Largest anti Islam body he he!!
Killing Christians isn't going to help you!
Did you read the human right report.
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Islam's Deviancy
written by Imam Douchebag , October 21, 2012
There is no integrating Islam in any other culture. Islam is so vile and disgustingly evil that it repulses all others. Islam had to be the guidance in Sodom and Gomorrah. Killing innocent animals is sick and twisted.



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animal sacrifice
written by mgoldberg , October 21, 2012
The idea of eating animals is not without responsibility. The idea of a 'sacrifice' as was practiced in the Jewish faith, was inherently far more filled with responsibility to oneself, to the animal and to the end of each animal than you can superficially imagine. What Islam does is 'slaughter' and that is the slaughter of humans first- as infidels- and then as subhumans- including animals that are beneath muslims.

There is no such denigration in that Jewish faith. There is no longer the Temple animal sacrifices but if as their faith hopes- a true bringer of peace arrived- it would be entirely different than the muslim tawdry copy of that belief. It would truly be a blessing to all human kind, and yes, their belief is that animal sacrifice at the Temple in Jerusalem would be reconstituted, but it has nothing of the slaughter houses we see today that constitute the destruction of sub-humans, dhimmi, infidels, as is constructed by Islam.
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written by @xyz , October 21, 2012
Actually, a lot of cultures use the feet, testicles, intestines, stomach, etc. when they prepare various dishes. Haven't you ever heard of Rocky Mountain Oysters? They're a delicacy where I live and I can assure you they have nothing to do with sea food. :)
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To abc
written by Archpagan , October 21, 2012
Sangh Parivaar members only indulged in retaliatory killing. In Gujarat, they killed 600 Muslims in retaliation to killing of 60 Sangh Parivaar members traveling in a train compartment. In Orissa, they killed 23 Christians in retaliation to killing of 5 members of an ASHRAM run by the Parivaar activist Swami Laksmananada Saraswati. Those killings by Sangh members were illegal but not immoral.

You can not blame the bison for killing a tiger. Bison is always herbivorous. Sangh Parivaar do not believe in predatory jehad-like violence.

I hope the 'Great Slogan' has implanted in your mind. You should thank me for specifying your most valuable target.
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To abc
written by Archpagan , October 21, 2012
P. S: I also provide you with a 'Human Rights Report', please read :

http://www.hafsite.org/media/pr/executive-summary-human-rights-report-2011
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@ Peace Lover
written by xyz , October 21, 2012

Big fish eat small fish, strong animals kill and eat weak animals. Have you ever seen tigers killing and eating a deer. This is the Law of Nature. So if you are animal lover blame it on nature or God if u believe in one. God/ nature approves animal killing.
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Archpagan
written by abc , October 21, 2012
After reading a little about the horrible gujrat incident.

How can you say:
" Those killings by Sangh members were illegal but not immoral"
You sir are moron!
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abc
written by Dwito , October 21, 2012
After reading a little about the horrible gujrat incident. How can you say: " Those killings by Sangh members were illegal but not immoral"
You sir are moron!


abc, anybody supports a crowed mayhem is undoubtedly a moron.

So lets change it a bit ..............


After reading a little about the horrible jihad incident(s). How can you think: " Those killings by Muslim members were illegal but not immoral" !!!!!!

You sir a .................... ?
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Dwito
written by abc , October 21, 2012
Jihad incidents???
Do you mean the burning of innocent civilian Hindus in a train??
That's not jihad, it's called murder. I hope the perpetrators were caught and tried and sentanced.
Likewise the pogroms afterwards were murder of innocents too.
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Archpagan
written by abc , October 21, 2012
That makes a lot of sense!
So people like babu Suseelan and Ron banerji and his ilk.
Ate they from sangh??
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written by Dwito , October 21, 2012
That's not jihad, it's called murder.

Is light starts blinking? Thank you abc.

I hope the perpetrators were caught and tried and sentanced.

You know it will never happen.

Likewise the pogroms afterwards were murder of innocents too.


100% right. And justice is partial to some.




Do you mean the burning of innocent civilian Hindus in a train??That's not jihad, it's called murder.


Read my post carefully, abc. I added a "s" categorically. Does that sign of plural verb appears to you as a single incident?

Why?
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Dwito
written by abc , October 21, 2012
Read my post carefully, abc. I added a "s" categorically. Does that sign of plural verb appears to you as a single incident?

Could you be a bit more specific!
Sticking a (s) does not clarify your question!
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abc.
written by Dwito , October 21, 2012
Sticking a (s) does not clarify your question!


Sorry, I thought it did. Learning of English knowledge is not always equal to all.


Could you be a bit more specific!


Gladly.

Here they follows-
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To abc
written by Archpagan , October 21, 2012
Babu Suseelan and Balbir Punj are my favorite columnists/writers. The former is a freelancer but the latter is an active member of the Sangh. I do not know much about Ron Bannerjee.


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Muslim moral is to sacrifice Non-Muslims to Allah
written by Montegue , October 21, 2012
Western moral is rooted in 4th century Greek philosophy in its investigation of "what constitute the good life for all men?" Although some may say it is found in the examples in the live of Jesus, it's the moral unattainable by natural men. The western secular can universally agree that the question has its origin in the philosophy of Plato, Aristotle and the Hellenistic Stoic.

Muslim moral, however, is defined as whatever Muhammad did. Quran claims him to be the perfect man and specifically instructs Muslims to emulate him, in which it says, "Certainly you have in the Messenger of Allah an excellent exemplar for him who hopes in Allah and the latter day and remembers Allah much." Lying, killing, robbing, raping, and perverting justice were his model occupations. Not only killing non-Muslims is a Muslim duty, they are also commanded to conduct genocides as demonstrated by Mohammad himself, for which the Sira says, "Then they surrendered, then he, the Prophet, sent for them and struck off their heads." Quran specifically instruct to spare no prisoners: "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land."

Muslims will argue by western philosophy to distract non-Muslims, but they will not reveal to you what they know in their hearts and what they are prepared to do to you when the opportunities present them.
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abc
written by Dwito , October 21, 2012
what they are prepared to do to you when the opportunities present them.

Thank you Montegue, you gave me a good relief to delibarate what I want to.

abc, i'm sorry to keep you in wait for this long. I had been preparing a long post for you detailing the list of Muslims jihad operations since dated back to Mo. But on a second thought, I paused. What will i do to repeat the horrible atrocities Mohammedans did so far? Rami may forgive me, I apprehended you will simply deny them all. You have to, abc. it's most pathetic for you to deny your won religious source. But you can't help doing that. No others have to do this self cheating imbecility. You know the eye witnesses did not lie. They at best might have add some paints on the true facts. Your modern education can not accept the horrific unjust stories. Neither can you deny them also from your mind. Only option left to you is pretend. What a pity!!

So abc, to engage more specifically and effectivelly, instead of arguing on some past accidents, may i ask you, as to you That's not jihad, it's called murder., what is Jihad? And how it differs to or negates murder?
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...
written by abc , October 22, 2012
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad

Enjoy
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abc - also a fool!
written by Jimat Khorasan , October 22, 2012
abc...you fool!
Human are not sacrificed during Haj in Mecca; poor helpless animals (also God's creation) get murdered in their thousands to satisfy the bloody desires of an unseen Allah!

Are you unable to understand a sarcastic joke?
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Jimi
written by abc , October 22, 2012
The person you made the "joke" at asked admin to remove your post.
Clearly they didn't get it!
Don't give up your day job, clown!
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abc
written by Dwito , October 22, 2012
abc, when I make a question specifically to you, I expect your answer, not others. Why do you hide to engage directly?
Give me your answer, abc, what is Jihad? And how it differs to or negates murder?
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Dwito
written by abc , October 22, 2012
Giving you answers is a waste of time! You learn nothing.
This way you have to work to get the answer and will remember it!!!
If you genuinely cannot then I will answer it!!!
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The author's
written by Yibel , October 22, 2012
closing statement: "Let's face it. Religious scriptures are full of Blood Sacrifices and killings, all in the name of God or Deity. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?"

does an injustice to what was, otherwise, a fairly good article. There are other faiths that do not endorse killing of any kind. Buddhism for one, and Taoism for another; also Christianity's New Testament contains no passages calling for blood sacrifices. Christ did away with all rituals.

Islam's annual animal massacre festival, Eid (mass slaughter in the name of a diety) teaches cruelty to animals - which, in turn, leads to cruelty to humans. Muslims teach their children how to kill - from an early age - thus desensitizing them to the suffering and death of others. This prepares them for jihad - more killing in the name of their god.
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abc, Dwido
written by Kaser , October 22, 2012
Murder = taking a human life.
Jihad = Murder in the name of Islam.
Clear enough?
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Kaser
written by abc , October 22, 2012
Yes that's right!
Now run along and let the grown ups conversate!
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abc
written by Kaser , October 23, 2012
Why you hurt my feelings?
Why you no nice to me?
abc is mean thug!
Kaser hope abc no Jihad him!
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Kaser
written by abc , October 23, 2012
Come now! If you are going to spend time on IW, you have to have thick skin!
I don't know you or yours so it's never personal!
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abc
written by Kaser , October 23, 2012
Thanks man!
Phew, for a while here, I though I had lost your respect abc!!!
Cheers,
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know the real religion
written by salim , October 23, 2012
I am a Pakistani my Forefathers were Hindu but forcefully converted to islam by Muslim invader,
Now I am thinking go to back my root, i am fourth generation of muslim.But i do not like this false religion
of mohommad.But if i convert then people of Pakistan will kill me .
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ISLAM is hatred+violence+intolerance+killing.ISLAM is a false religion.
written by kafir-infidel , October 23, 2012
SALIM, You must sutdy and think and analyze using your own brain and intelligence. Read this web site (ISLAM-WATCH.org) and also faithfreedom.org . You will gain true knowledge about ISLAM. ISLAM is for demons . If you want to be bad human being , you remain as a moslem. But if you want to be a good human being you must leave ISLAM . First do you know what are the characteristics of a good human being ?
ISLAM is bad because , it will make any follower of MO , as a person with hatred ,ill will , fascism ,intolerance against unbelievers . ISLAM fills you with all bad qualities .
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written by Reed Wilson. , October 23, 2012
D'wito. Pure Hinduism is also Islam because Islam is submission to God.

Allah tells me in Quran that he has sent messengers to all people and all messengers delivered same message.

وَيَقُولُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا لَوْلَا أُنزِلَ عَلَيْهِ آيَةٌ مِّن رَّبِّهِ ۗ إِنَّمَا أَنتَ مُنذِرٌ ۖ وَلِكُلِّ قَوْمٍ هَادٍ

Those differ say: "Why is not a sign sent to him from his Lord?" You are only a warner, and to every people there is a guide. 13:7

إِنَّ فِي هَـٰذَا لَبَلَاغًا لِّقَوْمٍ عَابِدِينَ ١٠٦﴾ وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَاكَ إِلَّا رَحْمَةً لِّلْعَالَمِينَ ١٠٧﴾ قُلْ إِنَّمَا يُوحَىٰ إِلَيَّ أَنَّمَا إِلَـٰهُكُمْ إِلَـٰهٌ وَاحِدٌ ۖ فَهَلْ أَنتُم مُّسْلِمُونَ

"Verily there is a message in this for people who are devout. We have sent you as a benevolence to the creatures of the world. Say: "This is what has been revealed to me: 'Your God is one and only God.' So will you bow in homage to Him?" 21:106-108

Dwito you may be a muslim already unknowingly. They dont wear horns on heads.
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To Reed Wilson
written by Archpagan , October 23, 2012
Oaf, same trash! I am tired of seeing. Let us get accustomed to different kind of message:

Gita: 4.11: All who in whatever way surrender unto me, I reward them accordingly; all mankind follows my path.

9.23: O Arjuna, those who worship devotedly different Gods faithfully; they also worship Me only; but in an indirect way.

9.29: I am equally disposed to all living entities; there is neither friend nor foe to me, but those who with loving sentiments render devotional service unto Me, such persons are in Me and I am in them.
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Oh, look everyone!
written by Yibel , October 24, 2012
abc THINKS he's all grown up! Isn't that cute! And he's even given birth to a new word - "conversate"

A new little baby verb? But what does it mean? Let's see - con means opposite of, and sate means to indulge fully, to glut and ver is short for version; therefore, I surmise that abc's new word means: to be against some form of gluttony -

Could you be more specific, abc, and tell us what type of gluttony only grownups are supposed to be against?
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Yibel
written by abc , October 24, 2012
You've crawled out from under your little rock again!
Without the copy and paste function you don't have much to say do you?
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written by Reed Wilson. , October 24, 2012
Archpagan. There is no trash anywhere. There is nothing wrong in Gita 4:11. It tells surrender to God. Worshiping is obeying a set of instructions and carries some responsibilities which is following 'my path' there.

So also we find in 9:23 quoted by you. It also refers to submission which is Islam. 'Such persons are in me and I am in them' is a way of saying same thing.

Of course God has no friends or foes. That shows justice and evenhandedness. This does not mean that there would be no accountability. When there is 'reward' there must be punishment also. I know it is there with Hindus also.

None can be more Christian than the Christ. He was from among Jews. Quran calls him as muslim. All those who those who submit are muslims in Arabic language.




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REED WILSON- A bizzare guy , a consummate TAQIYYA merchant , and staunch Mo's follower .
written by kafir-infidel , October 24, 2012
Reed wilson - you are smart alec !! You can explain away anything !!! You can paint everything with the same brush !!!! STOP all this nonsense talk and self serving baderdash .
There is no comparison between HINDU DHARMA, the science of spirituality and the darkness of ISLAM /MO. absolutely no comparison. HINDU DHARMA Is diametrically opposite of ISLAM.
There is no book like bhagavadgita on this earth.
You are committing blunder by even talking on the same vein !!!
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He he!!
written by abc , October 25, 2012
So the idol worshipping veg boy exposes himself!!
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To Reed Wilson
written by Archpagan , October 25, 2012
Most familiar verse in the Gita is 4:7. It goes thus:

Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice and a predominant rise of irreligion, O descendant of Bharata, -- at that time I descend Myself.

Should I consider you as the avatar promised herein?
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sacrificing only weak animals
written by non believer , October 25, 2012
There is a sanskrit saying. Not a horse, not an elephant, never never a tiger. Only a lamb is sacrificed. Alas God is a killer of the weak. The Gods invented by these religions are really cruel.
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Reed Wilson's mega-delusion: We are ALL Muslim
written by burke , October 25, 2012
OK...this DELUSION is called 'radical indifferentism'. It's a fine philosophy, if you don't care to listen to what people say or read what they write about their own beliefs.

Too bad if we don't see it...we are ALL 'really' Muslims. (Sure.)

Lookit. I'm never going to worship a pedophile, highwayman and mass-murderer. Mo would be locked up if he were around today. The Mo of the hadiths and Sira is an amoral thug and godfather. Today he would get several concurrent life sentences or end up at the World Criminal Court.

Mo was poisoned by Abu Bakr and Omar...that's why he disappeared from the record for 90 years after his death. The biggest liability to Islam is Mohammed.
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written by Reed Wilson. , October 25, 2012
kafir-infidel. It is said "you can lead a donkey to water but you can't make it drink".

I am absolved of the responsibility to convince. I can show you the way but I am not supposed to see that you adopt it.

فَذَكِّرْ إِنَّمَا أَنتَ مُذَكِّرٌ لَّسْتَ عَلَيْهِم بِمُصَيْطِرٍ

"So do render good counsel, for you are simply required to counsel, and are not invested with the authority to compel them. 88:21-22

According to Dr. Ambedkar the Bhagwat Gita is neither a book of religion nor a treatise on philosophy. What the Bhagwat Gita does is to defend certain dogmas of religion on philosophic grounds.

You write "There is no book like bhagavadgita on this earth." I agree with you there.
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abc strikes out again and again
written by Yibel , October 26, 2012
"You've crawled out from under your little rock again!
Without the copy and paste function you don't have much to say do you?"

Is this an example of how you so-called grown ups "conversate" in Muslim Yorkshire? Where's YOUR thick skin, abc? You dish it out, but you can't take it, can you?

So, give us your answer, abc. What is Jihad? Tell us how it differs from or negates murder? Dwitto and I want to know YOUR opinion!

xyz wrote:
"Muslims even eat tongues, brains, stomach, intestines, ears, feet, even testicles of these sacrificed animals. Yakkkkkkkk..... Can you believe that????
YOUR reply to Xyz (written by abc , October 20, 2012) was:

"Hunger has a way of doing that.
Next time you are in Scotland, do try the haggis!"

Are you trying to tell us that all those people paying thousands of dollars to attend Hajj are STARVING? And what has the Scots eating haggis have to do with anything? Are you saying that Scots are staving, too?
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To Reed Wilson
written by Archpagan , October 26, 2012
'What the Bhagwat Gita does is to defend certain dogmas of religion on philosophic grounds.'

It depends on the way or angle you want to look at Gita. Modern management gurus look upon Gita as a book on management, motivation and counseling. Most Hindus look upon it as a book on philosophy of life and existence.


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both are blood sucker
written by Gautam , October 26, 2012
I can not bear a single needle in my body.Muslim and Christian both are blood sucker killing million of animal every year both are not human being know true religion www.skcon.org
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written by Reed Wilson. , October 27, 2012
Archpagan. You write " It depends on the way or angle you want to look at Gita..."

Thank you. I look at Gita on same way as you do. I quoted Dr. Ambedkar. So many pretty girls and women are named after Gita. I personally know Dr. Gita Mohan Gopal who taught law once at University of Philippines.
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It's a Training
written by Dr R Brahmachari , October 27, 2012
It is a practical training for the Muslims to slit the throats of infidel kafirs.
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Allah enters Cows and Bulls to kick musli butt
written by Infidel and More Proud , October 27, 2012
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...s-boy.html

In palestine one sarficial cow sacrifised a tyrant musli..
Allah is all knowing
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Infidel and more proud
written by fineliving56 , October 28, 2012
That Bull, showed these Muslims who is the boss …

Karma ?!

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