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Colors of Peace-Loving Muslims

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“Denialistanis”, it seems, view the World through a special lenses, one that shows everything as a struggle between a feeble Muslim ‘David’ and a towering Kafir ‘Goliath’… For, the eventual victory of that Muslim David is foreseen as to be the proof of being on God’s side... - Anonymous

In an article, entitled How are Muslims supposed to treat people of other faiths?, Shaheed International says: “Tolerance is the attitude that should govern the dealings of all peoples with one another. Religious tolerance is an essential principle of Islam and Muslims are ordered to have good relations with peoples of all religions and be kind and courteous to everyone. Muslims are ordered by the Qur’an to uphold their promises and agreements with non-Muslims and not betray or transgress against them…

In this respect, my office colleague said: Allah does not forbid you from those – who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes – from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who are just.’ (Quran 60:8).

And my colleague is very effervescent about this Qur’anic verse, and insists that ISLAM is of a “Peace Loving Peoples”.

As Islam portrays to be a peace-loving religion, does it incline towards violence? To me, it is both!

Islam has embedded a whole spectrum of dubious positions. Some Muslims may be brought up liberally-minded and adapt themselves to Western democratic and pluralistic values; others are simply fundamentalists, who struggle actively for a reformation of Islamic societies, and still others are militant extremists, prone to violence. Among those dedicated Muslim activists show to be peace-loving conservatives as well as those hidden Islamic terrorist jihadist supporters! It is importantly apparent not to lump all Muslims and Islamic fundamentalists together? And Do We Really Have Anything to Worry About ISLAM?

Yet, we plainly forgot the universal maxim that one can fool some people all the time and all the people for sometime but never all the people all the time!

Most people are simply unaware that Islam is simply NOT a religion, but a totalitarian political cult-like ideology, which compels its believers into blind obedience, teaches severe Intolerance, with cruel brutality and locks all Muslims and non-Muslims into a struggle deriving directly from the 7th-century nomadic, predatory, Bedouin culture created by Prophet Muhammad.

Islam simply means “submission” to the will of Allah (period) and to those teachings as depicted in the Qur’an which include Islamic Jihad – the genocidal slaughter of infidels by the Islam’s swords – killing by beheadings, showing great intolerance toward other religious beliefs, as well as forcing all peoples unto submissions to Islam. The ultimate goal of the Islamic Jihad is establishing the domination of Islam over the entire world!

In Islam, one is considered “moderate” if one supports the goals and tenants of the Islamic Jihads, if not the tactics. Those, who totally reject the sadistic and violent teachings of Islam, are considered apostates of Islam and, as such, are willfully condemned to immediate death! Whereas moderate means - sensible; restrained; judicious; fair; temperate; & reasonable. So, moderate Muslims are supposedly considered to be very peaceful “in spite of Islam” and not because of it!

The “religion of peace” is a concept that the West is so eager to embrace [?] – all in the name of political correctness of simply refusing to believe that a major world religion capably poses such an overwhelming and devastating threat to the existence of humanity at large.

peace-loving-muslims, are they?
What lies behind apparently peace-loving Muslims?

FOR ON ONE SIDE of this debate, we have peoples who say that "the majority of Muslims are simply peace loving people..." The implication is that because of such thoughts, we can all just forget about it and contently relax, as this ever-growing presence of Muslims in our midst is actually not a problem or any issues? Whilst, on the other side, we have people who say that Islam is TRULY a totalitarian, aggressive, violent ideology that has already made inroads into modern Western societies with their aims of usurping Western democratic governments and replacing their democratic laws with the Islamic Shari’ah Law.

Is it supposedly possible that both sides are scrupulously correct? Let me explain….

First of all, I think that everyone can agree that there are a few dedicated Islamic Jihadists, who openly commit all kinds of violence in the name of Islam and that they are supposedly not "peace loving peoples" by anyone's definition but of their own. They may think of themselves as peace-loving, because they think that once the whole world has submitted to the total rule of Islam, then this world will forever be at peace. But the methods these Islamic Jihadists use to achieve their envisioned peace are by suicide bombings, human beheadings, and by flying hijacked airplanes into populated buildings.

There could also be a number of good Muslims committed to forcing Islamic Shari’ah law on the World by rioting and with the intended threat of making riots. These understandably good Muslim peoples are the ones, who protest and riot when a Danish cartoonist publishes cartoons of Prophet Muhammad, for example – those ensuing riots killed around 187 innocent hapless peoples worldwide! It is perceived as a violation of Muslim morality for anyone to draw Prophet Muhammad’s picture or to even criticize him, and thus these violence intimidated many infidels living in Western democracies into restraining themselves from re-publishing those cartoons. So in this way, the compelling threat of Islamic violence enforces Shari’ah Law on all Western democracies.

The same thing happened with the Draw Muhammad Day on Facebook, and with the American pastor, who wanted to burn the Qur’an. The perturbed violence and the threat of extremist views by those good Muslims around the world has indeed affected the behaviors of innocent peoples in free countries, forcing them to curtail their basic freedom of choices. The end result of all this is the ‘callings’ of enforcement of Islamic Shari’ah Law in Western democracies — not by changing what is written in the law books, but by scaring people of death into doing what mainstream Muslims insist non-Muslims must do!

Those good Muslims doing the rioting may, in fact, seem to be "peace loving peoples" in their daily lives in the opinion of everyone who knows them. And it could also be argued that everyone has a breaking point. Anyone can lose his/her temper if the offense is great enough, and perhaps they love their Prophet or their Qur’an so much so that by criticizing their Prophet or by burning their holy book, which was eventually just too much for them to understand… So they went berserk like anything, but really they are just quite normal, ordinary, peace loving Muslims in the rest of their lives…?

Another sizable percentage of good Muslims are dedicated to legally and nonviolently gaining concessions for Islam within Western democracies. They are pressing for halal foods in public schools, pressing for an Islamic limit on free speech and censorship in western Media so that Islam is never criticized. They are doing it in individual countries, and they're also doing it at the UN, to give significance to their impeccable religion! The Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) is the largest voting bloc at the UN, and they are putting pressure on the rest of the countries to impose worldwide limits on free speech to the level categorically demanded by Shari’ah law!

All these admirably good people, simply working for the legal imposition of their religious significance in light of the Islamic Shari’ah law, may very well be peace-loving people, who do not engage in violence by themselves. But a very large percentage of such Muslims do not protest against the violent ones?

Their silence usually implies consent, but do they simply keep silent out of fear? The violent ones are, of course, capable of extreme violence, and those peace-loving ones could be afraid to speak out in protest against such violence in the name of Islam [some perceived thoughts by naïve peoples]? And they may not feel that they have an ideological leg to stand on, since the violence is sanctioned by Islamic doctrine and protesting against that violence is entirely prohibited!

Another large percentage of Muslims pay Islamic Zakats, which is a mandatory tithe to the mosques. This money is often used for Islamic Charities (to help fellow Muslims, according to Shari’ah law, and never to help non-Muslims). This money also mandatorily goes to fund Islamic Jihadists all over the World. Muslims paying the zakat may be considered peace-loving peoples by standard definitions, as it is a charitable thing to do for helping the helpless (Muslims)!

Another group of Muslims are creating avenues for "Islamic Shari’ah Financing", and a certain percentage of that money also go to Islamic charities, and by extension to fund Islamic Jihadists. Those, who put their money in Shari’ah financial institutions or pay the fees, could be peace-loving peoples, even though they are wittingly or unwittingly helping to finance killings or subjugation of non-Muslims to favored Islamic causes around the World!

Yet a sizable percentage of good Muslims, according to polls, wish to have some measures of Islamic Shari’ah law in Western countries, including things like Islamic limits on free speech and death penalty for apostates of Islam. In some places, a majority of those good Muslims feel this way. Such Muslims also do not commit any violence themselves and would be considered by many as peace-loving people?

When Muslims immigrate to Western democracies, they often form "enclaves", areas where primarily Muslims should live in proximity. The larger the numbers of Muslims in these areas, the more hostile they are to non-Muslims living close by. As a result, those non-Muslims have eventually to move away even in their own birth-lands. Then more and more Muslims move to these ghetto areas until it becomes, for all intents and purposes, a small Muslim state within a Western democracy.

These good Muslim enclaves are creating "no-go zones", where legitimate law-enforcement officers are reluctant to go, or where legitimate government authorities bend to Muslim demands (for fear of violent reprisals). There are more and more Muslim enclaves and no-go zones in present Western democracies, for example in Sweden, France, Germany, Belgium, Holland, Norway and in many other European countries, that are growing bigger and bigger with every passing year. And the same pattern has started spreading to Australia, America and Canada as well.

Wherever Muslims gain a sizable majority, the most dedicated among them begin pushing for local manifestations of the imposition of Islamic Shari’ah law. But it would probably be correct to say that most of the Muslims, who move in to a Muslim enclave from a Muslim country, are simply supposedly “peace loving peoples”. They are just good families, who are moving to an area, where they have relatives, and they want nothing more than the betterment of their life and raising their innocent children and be happy.

Let us just assume, that those who don't know much about their Islamic doctrine, and even if they do, they have chosen to quietly ignore the violent or political parts of it. They are still unwittingly helping to accomplish Islam's prime directives in many covert ways, they are helping those who are actively trying to convert Western democracies into new Islamic states. It may seem that even if they don't mean to, or yet they are just ignorant about it.

Muslims around the world have lots of children. Thanks to Islamic prohibition of interfering to Allah’s will in procreation, and by extension to “family planning”, they just populate and that helps the cause of Islam like nothing else. So, when they immigrate to Western democracies, in the hope of living on state welfares – a kinds of Islamic JAZYA paid by non-Muslim taxpayers – which helps their raising the children without any worries. Indeed, to them, more children means more welfare handouts and better life. In sum, the mostly want to thrive of hard work of the non-Muslim citizens of their country, and procreate as liberally as possible, which helps swelling the Muslim populace, who would add strength to bands of Muslims hoping to conquer their adopted land and enforce strict Islamic law and domination.

But, most of these people are probably not violent at all? They happily raise their children, telling them that they are Muslims and that the Qur’an is the word of Allah, but they don't explain to their children the political mandates of Islamic doctrine. They just want to come here to have a happy life and prosper.

When the kids become teenagers, some of them are susceptible to recruitment by the more orthodox (politically active or violent) peace-loving Muslims, because the teenagers have already been primed with a primary identity "I am a Muslim". The recruiter only has to say, "read your Qur’an and discover your Islamic obligations." And so we see that second-generation Muslims in Western democracies are more likely to become more radical and jihadist than their parents, even though their parents were rather peace-loving peoples!

This is another way peace-loving Muslims unwittingly help jihadists accomplish their sacred Islamic missions.

Muslim leaders and Middle Eastern oil billionaires another couple of groups that deserve mention. There are quite a few prominent peace-loving Muslim leaders, who exhort their followers to pursue Islam's prime directives. These are not isolated leaders with little influence and few followers. These are heads of state and influential people with huge numbers of followers. And there are Muslim billionaires (primarily Saudi Wahhabis), who are pouring their money into building big mosques and madarasas all over the Western world. They fund 90 percent of the world's Islamic institutions. Unfortunately, they are promoting Wahhabism, which is a branch of orthodox Islam — dedicated to jihad, dedicated to Islam's prime objectives, dedicated to eliminating all democracies and imposing Islamic Shari’ah law on all peoples of the World. This is not as impossible as it sounds. The world is far more Islamic today than it was even 20 years ago!

These oil billionaires have built and maintain most of the mosques in the United States and Canada, and 80 percent of these mosques are engaged in promoting jihad. Promoting the violent overthrow of the government by jihad or any other means is against local law, but it is overridden by the protection of religious freedom. Because the jihad they preach is not extraneous to their religious teachings, but inherent in them, freedom of religion has protected them.

These oil billionaires and Muslim leaders may have never done anything violent in their lives, and may only want a peaceful Islamic world. As a result, they will be considered "peace loving people" by standard definition, yet they are promoting destructive causes.

What one must also consider carefully is that it doesn't take a majority to cause serious troubles, which means that even if the majority of Muslims are peaceful, they would be irrelevant if there are a sizeable percent of Jihadists amongst them willing to die in their cause.

So let's get back to our original question: If the large majority of Muslims are peace-loving people, do non-Muslims really have anything to worry about?

The answer should be crystal clear to discerning minds.

And do peace-loving Muslims ever question Islam when they see the violence and hatred of the "fundamentalists"? We rarely hear any Muslims condemn the violence of those Islamic fundamentalists. Simply drawing a cartoon of Prophet Muhammad draws tens of thousands of Muslims to earth-shaking protests on the streets of London and New York. The majority of those protesters would fall within the peace-loving catergory. But horrible Jihadi violence upon innocent people such as the horrendous 9/11 attacks, 7/7 London attacks or the Madrid attacks never can draw the so-called peace-loving Muslims to street for protest.

With this, let me quote some divine passages from the "Holy" Qur'an for the reader to wonder as to why the so-called peace-loving Muslims behave in the way they do:

  • Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war. (Qur’an 9:5)
  • Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission. (Qur’an 9:29)
  • Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah. (Qur’an 8:39)
  • So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world). (Qur’an 8:39)
  • Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them. (Qur’an 9:14)
  • Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah’s Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place. (Qur’an 9:38)
  • Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you. (Qur’an 9:123)
  • The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause. (Qur’an 9:88)
  • O’ Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding. (Qur’an 8:65)
  • The revelation of the scripture is from Allah, The Mighty, The Wise. (Qur’an 45:2)
  • And He has set firm mountains in the earth so that it would not shake with you. (Qur’an 16:15)
  • Have you not seen how God makes the clouds move gently, then joins them together, then makes them into a stack, and then you see the rain come out of it. (Qur’an 24:43)
  • Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.” (Qur'an 2:191)
  • Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” (Qur'an 9:123)
  • When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” (Qur'an 9:5)
  • Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” (Qur'an 3:85)
  • The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.” (Qur'an 9:30)
  • Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” (Qur'an 5:33)
  • The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque.” (Qur'an 9:28)
  • Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” (Qur'an 22:19)
  • Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them.” (Qur'an 47:4)
  • The unbelievers are silly; urge the Muslims to fight them.” (Qur'an 8:65)
  • Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.” (Qur'an 3:28)
  • Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” (Qur'an 8:12)
  • Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.” (Qur'an 8:60)

Let it be in your court now to decide whether Islam is a religion of peace.

Comments (83)Add Comment
written by vbv , January 05, 2013
No,islam is a cult of lies,deception and destruction of civilisations to make the non-aqrabs to subserve arabs and treat these arabs as some kind of superior race. And the nonarabs,especially the africans and asians to be the slaves of these rab barbarians. That is why the muslims are after establishing a "kaliffa" . It is a totalitarian, racist political idealogy wearing the garb of "religion": the proverbial wolf in sheep's clothing.
what motivate them?
written by jivan , January 05, 2013
Friday sermons motivate & incite them for Islamic cause . Local authority should moniter it and ban hate speeches.
written by abc , January 05, 2013
Stop sniffing the photocopy ink at the office.
Assumptions, innuendos, projections and glaring errors.
Can you back anything up with facts?
to abc
written by annad , January 05, 2013
Can you refute any of these with facts?
As for providing facts of muslims being violent - we have an avalanche of it. Check thereligionofpeace.com and read daily newspaper sometime. Or better; read your unholy "holy" book. You prove that Islam is not a religion of hate cruelty and violence by analyzing reality of Muslim communities and compare it with koran's commands.
And make your best efforts to convince the infidels. Because right now we see no peacefulness or tolerance or justice coming from Islam. Nothing but barbarity cruelty oppression; all sanctioned by Islam.
written by gratifaction , January 05, 2013
A very good article by Brokaan. Individual liberty is the first of Judeo-Christian civilization,one that islamic doctrineis is unable to produce.Europe have made major mistake to accept muslim immigrants in to our countries.Islamic history tells us that muslim will not live in peace with Kafirs.Look,how they treats with kafirs in the muslim lands?As soon muslims numbers increase in Europe they will start violence and will kill the local inhebitants.The stupid muslim appeaser politicians have made this mistake and public will pay the price.I do think that eventually Europeans will get tired of it and will do some thing on their own.
written by Dog Loving Kafir , January 05, 2013
Pighommed loved to murder and loot kafir.This why his brainwashed followers butchered 80 million Hindus in the jihad against India. Then some of surviving Hindus joined evil Islam and became Muslims and began killing their Hindu ancestors. Pighommed also enjoyed raping the women of the people he looted. Pighommed was also child molester. He bedded Aisha when she was little girl playing with dolls.
written by abc , January 05, 2013
Right then, whomever is in possession of the family brain cell then borrow it back.
The source you quote is garbage. Unless you can prove that the crimes committed are ideological then you cannot place them at the doors of Islam.
In countries where there are Muslims and crimes are committed, they are the exact same crimes committed all over the world. Yes that includes non Muslim countries.

According to your logic if we are to accept all crimes on your source then you have to say that every crime committed in the world bar those are committed by non Muslims.
So do we then attach them to their respective ideology??
This is an absurd logic.
It's like me saying that all Hindus are rapists because India is having a hard time with the epidemic.
I have Hindu friends and our children often play together. If I had your stupid mentality then the world would be a dark place.
Do you get it? Or do I have to draw a picture!
to abc
written by ANNAD , January 05, 2013
If I had your stupid mentality then the world would be a dark place.

World is pretty dark, especially in Muslim majority countries. Yes, yours and Hindus children play together. In the UK.
Will they be playing together in let's say, Pakistan?
BTW, for you being a Muslim, I would strongly advise you not to use phrase "can you prove it with facts?"

You might be met with similar requests:

Can you prove it there is Allah?

Can you prove it there is hell?

Can you prove it there is paradise?

Can you prove it there is archangel Gabriel?

Can you prove it he communicate to Muhammad all these verses?

Can you prove it Muhammad did not make it up because of his hunger for power, women and money?

Prove it all to me, so I would say it's convincing, and I convert tomorrow.
Tolerant Muslims
written by Gnostic , January 05, 2013
I spent very much time for many years studying almost all holy books of almost all major religions. Because most religions teach love and peace I thought this would be true for islam as well and I really did not want to believe that there is something is wrong with islam supported by the words of some "tolerant muslims".

However, some years ago I began to discover that islam is very different from other religions and that there is no hope that this will ever change.

Like the members of any other religion muslims too had been given the chance to learn and the opportunity to chose the right direction but they did not. Instead they always turned to the wrong way for even more fundamentalism, radicalism and intolerance.

Nobody forces the muslims to go the wrong direction. It is up to themselves to watch what advanced civiliations are doing and to adapt it. They are not forced to adapt everything including things they do not like; but how about fundamental human rights and the right to leave islam?

Muslim leaders know that this would be very dangerous for them because this might cause chain reaction. More and more muslims would begin to think and to leave islam.

I expect this to happen earlier or later. When this begins, nobody will be able to stop this any more because there is no future. Islam is like a steam engine that nobody needs any more. It is only inefficient, loud, noisy and produces too much smoke.
to abc
written by ANNAD , January 05, 2013
The source you quote is garbage. Unless you can prove that the crimes committed are ideological then you cannot place them at the doors of Islam.

Can you prove it they did not commit these crimes in the name of Islam, especially that they themselves announce it?
Did not Muslims killed ~200 unrelated innocent people when Danish cartoons were published because they felt their prophet was insulted?
Did not Muslims killed ~140 unrelated innocent people when Koran was burned by American pastor because they felt Islam was insulted?

What was the reason for Madrid bombing? For NYC 9/11 attack? For London 7/7 attack?

What was the reasons for multiple terror attacks and plots by Muslims on unrelated innocent people all over the globe

Muslim perpetrators say they do it because Koran instruct them to "fight unbelievers until they submit to religion of Allah".
This is what motivate them. If you think they lie, why? And why do you think you know their motivation better than they themselves?
Kill in the name of Islam
written by Montegue , January 05, 2013
Annad is on target. Crimes in non-Muslim countries are not done for the prophet of Islam.
abc and the Indian epidemic
written by Infidel and MP , January 06, 2013
"It's like me saying that all Hindus are rapists because India is having a hard time with the epidemic."
Not really
1. Afganistan remains the most dangerous place for women.
2. Worlds highest % of rapes is in Kabul though the women folk are covered head to toe.
3. See the safety indexhttp://www.gallup.com/poll/155...tries.aspx woemn are not safe even in developed countries so dont thum your chest.
4. And women are not safe in Pakistan either. Malala is basking in UK hospitality.
5. Regarding your kids playing with hindus , if you reveal your true colours or they understand Quran will the last day of playing together.
infidell and MP
written by abc , January 06, 2013
1. the point clearly went over your head.
2. it was a facetious statement for that chap to see the error in his thinking
thanks for proving my point dullard.
3. im just grateful my friends are not mental migets like you
written by abc , January 06, 2013
July 10, 1996 The British newspaper The Independent quotes bin Laden as saying:

"The ordinary man knows that [Saudi Arabia] is the largest oil producer in the world, yet at the same time he is suffering from taxes and bad services. Now the people understand the speeches of the ulemas in the mosques--that our country has become an American colony. They act decisively with every action to kick the Americans out of Saudi Arabia. What happened in Riyadh and [Dhahran] when 24 Americans were killed in two bombings is clear evidence of the huge anger of Saudi people against America. The Saudis now know their real enemy is America." [From The Washington Post 8/23/98]

August 23, 1996 Several months after being expelled from the Sudan, bin Laden issues his "Declaration of War Against the Americans Who Occupy the Land of the Two Holy Mosques."

does that give you an idea why osama attacked america.

7/7 bombers did it for exactly the same reason, see siddique khans video. Im sure its available somewhere on the net.
written by Montegue , January 06, 2013
America did not occupy Saudi Arabia. In 1990 the Saudi invited US to install military base in Riyadh after the Gulf War to protect Saudi from Saddam Hussein. Bin Laden interpreted the Prophet Muhammad as banning the "permanent presence of infidels in Arabia" The World Trade Center in New York was jihad against America. See CNN

written by Kaser , January 06, 2013
Let's keep it simple abc.
Let's go to the source.
Forget Osama-bin Laden the Bored Saudi multi-millionaire whose "sole purpose" is the furtherig of Islam...

Please explain how the Quran can be the pure word of god for all humans when it's full of hateful, theathening verses?

Do you truly believe the Quran is the work of a divine being? That's all that matters abc, because if anything in the Quran is false, the whole of Islam is false.

Do you agree?
if you start
written by Betty , January 06, 2013
talking about their Qu'ran they will run and hide, they don't have a leg to stand on, wait, did I just see lightning, hope that Jinn's OK and wasn't killed hahahahah
It wasn't a jinn
written by abc , January 06, 2013
It was Jesus of the bible in his chariot riding the big blue!
written by abc , January 06, 2013
Let's keep it simple? You know full well it's far from simple but go ahead.
I know where this is heading its a groundhog conversation.
Fire away!
to abc
written by annad , January 06, 2013
You quoted 17 years old opinion from Washington post. Not very impressive. Yes. Back then people used to think like this. Not too many now. Now we have seen Islam in all its "glory". We know now its never stopping expansiolist bloodthirsty nature. We' ve seen so called "Arab spring" bringing poisonious fruits of Islamic fundamentalism mysogeny antesemitism religious intolerance. You gave a dubious reason for Saudis to hate Americans.
What is the reason for libians to do the same? For Aphgans? For Pakistanis? For all other numerous Muslim haters including those who would kill to get in here?
Only one- because we are the "others"; different "tribe"; infidels.
Don't you see how your religion; exclusive hateful and divisive bring discourse and mayhem all over even the Muslim world- with constant wars and hatred among your different sects: Shias Sunnis ahmadis etc. - all at each other throat - because there is no defining of ultimate "true" beliveiver and a "hypocrate".
You my friend may be identified as a "hypocrate" by more devote Muslim and trerefore subject to slaughter too.
PS. I am still waiting for your factual answers to my questions. I would accept photo documents or eyewitness accounts or auduo records.
As for Muhammad's testimonies; I would be satisfied with 4 adult male eyewitnesses. Is this what is required from woman to prove rape?
How can we accept anything less in such an important matter as creator of universe and all of the mankind?
written by Kaser , January 06, 2013
No groundhog conversation abc, the basic cornerstone of Islam.
Do you believe the Quran is the actual word of god? Simple question abc. There are two options, yes or no.
exactly Kaser
written by Betty , January 06, 2013
Jesus wasn't flying around in the sky and I don't know of any Bible verse that said he did. Do you reject Kaser's notion that the Qu'ran is full of hate? Is that the God you worship, bow down to, one who produces so much despair on this Earth by his so-called prophet, who really wrote the book on hate.
to abc
written by Infidel and MP , January 06, 2013
Oh the one born of arsz
1. The oil does diddly squat sittend under the sand.
2. Worlds biggest oil co AKA currently aramco strated on 29 May 1933 it started in darhan as California-Arabian Standard Oil Co. (CASOC)
3. In 1944 Casoc changes its name to Arabian American Oil Company (Aramco).
4. In 1973 Saudi Government acquires 25 percent interest in Aramco.
5. In 1988 Saudi Arabian Oil Company, or Saudi Aramco, was established.

All other details omitted for brevity.

So Americans were invited by Saudis to explore olil just as French were invited to save and liberate Kaba.
Trust this is not too much for your pea brain.
See how they'll react to this
written by Betty , January 06, 2013
Where any other group would either ignore it or make comments about it, but there'd be no murders or rapes or beatings, hanging, heads being lopped off, etc etc.

written by abc , January 06, 2013
Sorry I couldn't muster up anything more recent from Osama.
He has been busy being DEAD. It's hard to get an interview with him!
What I did give you is a valid reason from Osama himself.
The Arab spring is just starting, what do you mean the results? What were you expecting? Remove a dictator who was ruthless and had been there for an entire generation and the following day calm? All in good time annand.
Wrong again I gave you the reason according to Osama. It was not dubious but his valid opinion. Does everything become dubious when it doesn't agree with your narrative?
Im not sure libyans hate americans? As for Pakistan, I think you need to pick up a history book and see why. Pakistan was and probably still is a friend of America. All government apperatus at the top seems to be working together. I would say its more political than ideological.
"others" you mean non Muslim? Infidel is a term the Christians use for " others"
Kind of like "goyim" describes others.
Annand Pt 2
written by abc , January 06, 2013
All religions have their inherent paradigm. Do you feel left out because you are not in?
In which case how is it decisive?
As for other questions, I cannot present god in a test tube for you to experiment and examine. Just because you do not know if something does not mean it is not there.
Infidel mp
written by abc , January 06, 2013
Thanks for that I will let Osama know!
I will tell him not to call me but call you if he has a question!
They didn't React
written by abc , January 06, 2013
That's the cover of the xmas/new year edition of Charlie hebdo.
Can you hear the crickets? Nobody has given it the time of day!
Better luck next time!
written by abc , January 06, 2013
Without a shadow of a doubt!
written by youcancallmeV , January 06, 2013
Time for a quick cartoon....
it's The Taliban Womens Revenge.
to abc the messanger of Osama
written by Infidel and MP , January 07, 2013
You are welcome to carry the message to Osama.

I invite you to take the message to Osama personally...
Infidell and mp
written by abc , January 07, 2013
Wouldnt hear of it old boy. Strictly after you.
peace lovin muslims
written by kaz , January 07, 2013
peace loving muslims cannot rationally evaluate their own sacred scriptures, because anyone with an open mind would soon conclude that mohammed was a psychopathic criminal, who, to serve his own criminal purposes, elevated a pagan moon god to the status of "the one god", and generously agreed that the one god he invented had to be the same as the hebrew god, since there is only one god. the hebrew god actually did things (they wrote), and sometimes mixes a little kindness and love in with the evil. allah, however, never actually did anything. allah, the merciful, depends on humans to do his killing for him, and he requires a lot of killing. the hebrew god, on the other hand, actually fire and brimstoned sodom and gomorrah himself, and destroyed the world by flood himself. allah, by comparison, does nothing, just sits on his lazy ass and requires muslims to kill, kill, kill, for his glorification. like the hebrew god, allah requires worship. noone can explain why a being that has everything, needs nothing, can do anything, and knows everything needs human adoration. so muslims, in order to enter that mythical paradise invented by other liars, and adopted by mohammed, to get fools to do his bidding, must proclaim their veneration of a psychopathic criminal, and adore a "god" that they dam well know is a fraud. now i ask you, what kind of fool would believe in such an obvious pack of lies? well, there are those that will benefit from the lies...criminals like mohammed that reap earthly rewards for the crimes committed by foolish believers at his behest. there are those who are just mean and nasty, and enjoy inflicting pain on others. then there is a large population of fools, who are just too stupid to realize that just because you are told a lie every day of your life, that doesnt make the lie true.
written by fine , January 07, 2013
What is the meaning of the poster ...what does it say ?

I don't get it !
Words of the peaceful egyptian president Morsi 2010l
written by Gnostic , January 07, 2013


Morsi in 2010: No to Negotiations with the Blood-Sucking, Warmongering "Descendants of Apes and Pigs"; Calls to Boycott U.S. Products
I wasn't talking about...
written by Betty , January 07, 2013
the 3 Muslims on this site brains, I was talking about the Muslims in France, it's hard to have to explain everything to you abc!
some French stats
written by Betty , January 07, 2013
63% of the French public believe the most important feature of Islam is its "rejection of Western values", followed by fanaticism (57%) and violence (38%).
Oussama Romdhani is a former Tunisian minister of Communication and the gatherer of these stats. Soon the entire free world will be like France as the Muslims continue their tactics...
Another stat > Islam, the religion of peace
To no one's surprise, the Religion of Peace racked up 11,267
dead bodies in 2,459 barbaric terror attacks during 2012
Go and bow down, stick your hind end up and pray , you're a foolish little man.
written by Kaser , January 07, 2013
Thank you for a very precise answer.

Now my answer: No. Without a shadow of a doubt, the Quran is nothing other than man-made scriptures, awkward, badly structured and failing miserably at attempting to make us believe they are words from god. As if an all knowing, all-powerful god would need to

Second question abc, Now that you state that you believe "without a shadow of a doubt" that the Quran is the actual word of god, have you compared it to ALL other religious scriptures (Hinduism, Chirsitianity, Judaism, Budhism, Shintoism, Sihkism, ... Even Waashatism). They all claim the same story, more or less.
Yes or no answer will suffice.
My answer: I don't need to read them ALL to know they are ALL wrong regarding coming from the mouth of a god.

Third and last question abc, Again, since you state that you believe "without a shadow of a doubt" that the Quran is the actual word of god, how do you reconcile all the violence in the Quran? The threaths? Does a benevolent, all-loving god NEED to make so many threaths of hell fire in his "book for all humanity" ??? Does a god that created the UNIVERSE need to tell one man to kill so many times???

In this case, a development is required, not a simple yes or no.

Thanks abc.
Re: kaser
written by Gnostic , January 07, 2013
Sorry, but I disagree. According to my knowledge, the quran is the only book which claims to be written by god.

Christians think that the bible is inspired by god which does not mean to much, any author of a love story can make such a claim.

Buddhism is atheistic or agnostic in its relation to god and the holy scriptures are man-made.

I am not sure about Hinduism but perhaps the jewish Torah may be regarded as written by jehova ,,,,

Of course all this does not change my view that the quran is definetely not written by god. Here I totally agree with Kaser that such a claim is ridiculous.
written by abc , January 07, 2013
To answer your second question- I have not looked into Hinduism, Budhism, Shintoism, Sihkism, ... Even Waashatism) in any great detail although I would know a little about each. Does that answer your question.

To answer your third question-
Violence?? I think we must differ on our choice of words.
Do you mean like turning cities to salt, drowning of an army by parting the sea, the wrath of god kind of thing???
I don't think violence was the lesson it intended. There is always a parable, a story, a warning about previous people.
If this doesn't answer your question then please clarify! Thanks

Threats of hell?? Why would a non Muslim be threatened by that?
You stated earlier what you thought about the book. Yet you find it's contents threatening? That's insane!
I don't accept Jesus son of Mary as my lord or saviour. Now if a Christian read that they would freak out. You won't catch me crying in my cornflakes because of it.

"Does a god that created the UNIVERSE need to tell one man to kill so many times??? "
What are you talking about here? Please clarify!
written by Kaser , January 07, 2013
You're right, of course, I was quick to bundle them together in terms of their relation with their god. As you say, I do not know if any other religion claims it's scriptures come straigth from the mouth of god. Apologies to IW readers for my incorrect statement.

But I know many humans talk on behalf of their god!! Some are in insane asylums. Others roam the streets...
written by Kaser , January 07, 2013
Thanks again, I enjoy our discussion, although the medium is tedious. I wish IW would have a chat group or somethng.

Regarding answer 2, I asked because since all religions are based on faith and not facts, why did you choose Islam and not another one? What if Islam is not the right path, but Waashatism is the right one??

Regarding answer to Q3, I read a lot of the Quran, and there are many verses that advocate violence. TROP made a good list: http://www.thereligionofpeace....olence.htm

I fail to understand, abc, why you would find it ok that a book authored by god himself would need so much violence. Don't you find this odd? Do you really believe that the same god that created the universe and all of humanity would also need to create a hell to punish those humans that disobey him? Is that not the ULTIMATE DICTATORSHIP?

There is no insanity in my reasoning abc, I believe the Quran was written by men seeking control, and adding a "hell" makes sense - they needed a threat to make sure the masses stay in line.

About asking to kill - mohammed killed many people. Why? Was god instructing him to do so? Mohammed's biography is full of violence dispensed by and through him. Why?

Lastly, about context. You mention parables. Stories. How can 6th century context be applicable to native american indians? The Mayans? Pygmee? How can a book authored by god make us of context totally alien to the bulk of the world population?
written by Kaser , January 07, 2013
Coming back to hell...

If you were a god, would you not create humans pre-programmed to follow your laws?
If you create humans, and then you have to create a hell to punish those that go astray, is that not an admission of your failure?
If paradise is the ultimate goal, then why not show it to us? Why the need for this "faith" thing?
Lastly, if you are a god with such immense power as to be able to create the universe, why bother whispering into the ears of Mohammed, through an "angel", the rules of life? Why not send down a book in a blinding flash of light when we reach puberty? Easy to do for a super-being. It would sure pass the message clearly no?
written by youcancallmeV , January 07, 2013
A rabid warlord emerges from the desert with his army, unleashes terror and bloodshed, pillage and slavery.
All in the name of a moon demon.

That is a description of Hell.
written by Kaser , January 07, 2013
The treatment by mohammed (and later followers) of war booty (slave women) must have been horrendous. Women have been mistreated by men for other reasons, but Islam is unique (I think) in it's "Okaying" the repeated rape of slave women.

Indeed, hell on earth dispensed by humans to other humans...
written by abc , January 07, 2013
Regarding answer 2
Of course there is an element of faith. It's impossible to quantify and difficult to express. Whether you talk about pergutory, the mystery of the trinity or the night journey. I think it's a common feature amongst believers.
A brief outline of my thinking is this:
Is there a divine being? Once you have tackled that.
Is there more than one? Once you tackle that.
Which faith is then based on absolute monotheism.
To me that left an option of judaism and Islam.
Once you have a look at the writings then Islam came through. If I have made the wrong choice then that is part of the internal monologue. So be it, as they say.
You are stuck at first base I take it? Do you think theists are wrong?
Surely from a statistical point of view you should move to agnosticism?
Do you think that because the divine cannot be detected by your five senses it's not there?
written by abc , January 07, 2013
As to question three.
Post 9/11 I never take a source from the net until I can verify for myself.
There is a whole well funded industry out there on the attack. Each has their own little motive. They have mixed truth with lies with projections with opinion and made it very difficult for people to get the truth! Some have latched on to their ideas whilst some outright reject them.
You keep going back to the violence. The lesson is not the violence but often what leads to it. Nearly always you will get a verse processing it saying "but it is better to forgive". The verses you describe always have a purpose.
As for violence itself, that's a visceral integral part of the human condition.

Look man if given free will, how can that be a dictatorship? You choose A or you choose B, that's up to you. What the verses do is try and explain the outcome of the free decisions. The choice is yours.
Again I find it strange that someone with your views would find them threatening. It's a strange response you have.
6th/7th century still has context because the nature of man has not changed. We still have the same internal drives and instincts.
written by abc , January 07, 2013
As for hell your last paragraph.
If you created all humans to follow the same law then there is no free will.
Then there is no need for Heaven/hell?
written by Proud Infidel , January 07, 2013
"Can you back anything up with facts?"

No one needs to provide facts to Islamists who are lying through their teeth for Islam. Islam proves that it is an oppressive, discriminatory, and violent political system quite well.
written by Kaser , January 07, 2013
Ok, I understand your reasoning.
First, you decided there is a unique divine being, then Islam was the closest religion fitting the bill.
You pronounced the oath (or whatever ritual) and your soul is now saved. Congrats.

As for me, I am not stuck at first base, I am actually not even playing the game. And yes, I think theists are all wrong.
All wrong because as humanity's understanding of the natural world evolves, we find too many flaws in scriptures.
Agnosticism is not acceptable either. One must place his bets either way, not stand by idle.
Lastly, no, it's not because the divine is not detectable that I do not believe in it. I cannot detect alien life forms on other worlds, but I believe there are many of them out there, like us, asking the same questions. I cannot see the tooth fairy, Santa Claus, unicorns and dragons. Yet, you will not argue with me they do not exist. Why is it different with god? I root my references in what is real, not imaginary. If more people did as I do, there would be less violence in the world.
Religion being the prime source of violence in humanity's past.
You know abc, 1000 years ago, ALL humans though the world was flat, and they were ALL wrong.
So having many many people believe in something does not make it true.

As for the violence.
I verified everything straight from the Quran, from multiple sources to make sure wording was consistent.
There is much violence in the Quran. Look at the TROP reference above, and the Quran passages it refers to.
These passages tells me, no, they SHOUT to me actually, that the Quran is man-made. Man needs violence as a threat when reason or logic cannot be used to persuade.
Like the mafia uses. Street gangs. Thugs.
I though a god would not need that - to resort to threats of violence and hell if we do not abide by his rules.
His rules...
... such as forcing women to be the servants of men? Does not Allah wish to protect half of the human population from harm?
... such as authorizing rape? Does Allah not love and wish to protect innocent victims of war?
... such as instructing his prophet to kill? Does not Allah love all humans?
Are we talking about Allah a benevolent god, or a god of war???

From what I read, his earthly kingdom is a violent one, in preparation for an eternal paradise.
But... why life on earth at all if the real deal is the eternal life after death?

Why bother creating physical life at all??? It all makes absolutely no sense...
...It makes no sense at all because it was plainly written by humans for the unique goal of controlling other humans.
That's it, that's all.
It's really hard...
written by Betty , January 08, 2013
at night to look up at the stars, see so many and realize that some of these stars,more like many of those stars are in effect galaxies that dwarf our Milky Way, and then to think that there is some spook living up in a so called heaven, commanding that his will be done and judging you for 70 odd years of life on this planet. Kurt Vonnegut wrote a great book once that portrayed all the murderers and such (Hitler, Stalin, Mao etc) as the inhabitants of heaven. This is as much likely to be true as some dork that presses his head to a mat or the Gloryland Chorus getting to heaven. The only true heaven is you and your realizations of the fact that we are all exactly the same, no better, no worse and really leaving everyone else alone to worship or not worship as they see fit.To wear a bikini or to love someone of the same sex whatever.
Hate to say...
written by Betty , January 08, 2013
written by Kaser , January 08, 2013
Spot on. Actually when you read about Astronomy (as much as I did) that's when it hits you.
When you see structures like YV Canis Majoris, when you understand the mechanics of a Supernova, of the supermassive black holes that populate the center of most galaxies... Quasars... Lensing effets... Neutron stars... GRBs... That's when you realize how ARROGANT it is to think that all this was created just for us humans.

How unbelievable that humans think it makes sense to believe that a super-being would have created the whole universe, and then populate only a small planet, with humans, a heaven and a hell... and a book telling us "to be ruthless to the unbelievers wherever we may find them"

How arrogant, how ignorant and how pathetic to think all this creation, that 99.99999999999% of all the known mass in the Universe is there only to pretty up our night sky.

Theology. A supreme god-creator-of-all. Yeah, right...


As for the weaselzippers article... No surprise there. Islamic jihadists will take any opportunity to prove to the world how intolerant and violent they can be... Or is it how "faithful", how "pious" and how "religious" they really are??? Not sure which it is anymore...
written by fine , January 08, 2013
I enjoyed reading your posts with ABC ... right on the money .. and I enjoyed reading Abc's posts too ... it tells how a believer think and what he or she tell themselves when they believe, without, one shred of evidence.

Thinking the Quran or any religious books as evidence of God, is a sad mistake .. They actually should be embarrassed of the God, they worship, would produce such piece of non sense ... ignorant humans hands are all over these books and deny it, is fruitless.

I guess we [ non religious ] are little more picky ... aren't we ?
written by abc , January 08, 2013
"Spot on. Actually when you read about Astronomy (as much as I did) that's when it hits you.
When you see structures like YV Canis Majoris, when you understand the mechanics of a Supernova, of the supermassive black holes that populate the center of most galaxies... Quasars... Lensing effets... Neutron stars... GRBs."

Yet you still think that it all mapped out by chance?
BANG and over time we are all here?

written by Kaser , January 08, 2013
Indeed we are. And we havebthe right to criticize religions all we want. They pretty much ruled the world for thousands of years.

Now, it's time for change. Out with the old, dusty, irrelevent scriptures, and In with science, humanity, respect and secular goverments geared towards humanity's sustainable presence on earth, and humanity's SHARING of earth with other species... But you and I, and others still have a long road ahead... Parents infect their children with the "religion" disease from such a young age, it takes time for them to open their eyes and dump the cults... Some never can do it...
written by Kaser , January 08, 2013
Yes, exactly.
That's it. After billion of years, life exists.
Science is still looking for exactly how it happens. Science does not say "we don't understand, so it must be a god...".

Science found amino acids in meteorites. Science found out how the DNA molecule works...precisely. Science found out indeed how supernovas work... How hemoglobin works ... It will find out most of everything. Science can already create new life forms... Are we therefore gods?

My own personal science? Making machines work by themselves. Automated systems. Magic? Godly powers? No. Science.
Anything that can
written by Betty , January 08, 2013
be thought of can be created, we are gods in our own right. If a God created all of space, where the hell did he go and why didn't he let us in on his joke? Muhammad, as stated before, knew nothing of snow, eskimos, how sperm and egg meet to make a zygote, he cheated and copied Hippocrates., and he was dead wrong. He says the sun sets in a muddy pool, even though Malem tried to b/s his way around that, he said that lightning was made to keep jinns from listening to his private *stuff*, that the heavens were held up by columns, that he made birds fly, just to name a few stupid things he preached...come on now boys, open up those tiny eyes and see what's really going on.
written by youcancallmeV , January 08, 2013
Unfortunately for the Islamist mindset, there was the archaeoligical find in the Yemen. The Sana discovery involved many Q'ranic manuscripts that proved that there were many alterations to 'The Q'ran', it also proved that there were many versions...As always, Islamic scholars are in deep denial of historical evidence.
written by youcancallmeV , January 08, 2013
abc...Dr Stephen Hawking has a rather more informed point of view regarding astronomy, he doesn't hold up any map theory in relation to the formation of the universe. He does present some very interesting facts about astrophysics that explain black holes and quasars etc.
written by vbv , January 08, 2013
Talking of stars, galaxies,etc quran is totally ignorant , absolutely in the dark. All it manages to say is that Allah has placed stars in the sky at night to be used to chase away Iblis/Satan,etc by hurling at them these stars. Hahahahahahahaha !!!! That is very stupid. Quran is just the babble of the arab bedouins ,copying,plagiarising from the Bible, local superstitions and the personal whims of the socalled ,selfproclaimed "prophet" ,who was nothing but an avicious ,political animal with a foxy cunning to dupe and sway the gullible people for his own ends.
to muslims
written by Infidel and MP , January 08, 2013
It beggars belief that Moallah had to teach you how to wipe your bums with stones.
Were you so Jahil before he taught you that you did not clean your backsides after taking a dump?
Your prophet bust have inspected quite a few backsides which he found hairy and dirty so prescribed shaving of pubes and wiping with stones. Seems Moallah did not have anything better to do other then looking into musli backsides..
To abc
written by Archpagan , January 08, 2013
1. Is there a divine being?
2. Is there more than one?
3.Which faith is then based on absolute monotheism?

I am trying to answer your questions from Hindu perspective.

1. Of course! Brahman (Supreme being) is the only reality. Atheists say God is a human delusion. A Vedantist will say this life is only a MAYA (delusion/virtual reality); only difference is the manner of expression.
2. He(Supreme Being) is multidimensional.
3. The question itself is inappropriate. Abrahamites want to confine supreme Being in a so-called holy book and worship words in such books instead of Supreme Being, which is the worst form of idolatry.

Islam is peace
written by malem , January 09, 2013
Follow Allah you find peace Islam welcomes all, no compulsion just love for all.
To malem
written by Archpagan , January 09, 2013
I do follow Allah, but my Allah is not hijacked by a blood-thirsty, rapist, pedophile bandit who forced his victims to accept is own words as message from Allah. Allah has many many respectable persons to choose as messenger. You too find out the real message of Allah beyond the filthy terror manual called Koran.
written by youcancallmeV , January 09, 2013
'Follow Allah you find peace Islam welcomes all, no compulsion just love for all.'

Islam doesn't welcome homosexuals though....
The death penalty in Iran, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, North Sudan and Yemen, Nigeria and Somalia. Where the Islamic country doesn't uphold a death penalty homosexuality is punished by imprisonment and/or physical punishment.
written by vbv , January 09, 2013
Islam is peace ,you say, and you want everyone to follow it. Well , tell me which islamic / muslim country is tuly peaceful, progressive and humane , civilised ???? You cannot find a single one that has any claim to be peaceful, progressive, ,civilised and humane under the banner of "islam". Infact, the more "islamic" you get , the more intolerant , hatefilled, violent and destructive you become. You become a zombie , losing power to think sanely and humanely. You become a tool in the hands of mad and cruel mullahs and cruel autocrats. That is the history of islam. All islam does is make you the lackies of the arabs , subservient to these mad, crazy and destructive bedouins who are bent on destruction of civilisations. Egypt, Babylonia, Carthage have all lost their heritage and even language to be arabised totally. They have fallen , never to rise to the eminence of their ancient culture and heritage. That applies to Pakistan too, which hates its ancestors and sucks up to the arabs. The average pakistani thinks he is of arab descent , andhas extreme contempt and hatred of his ancient roots , that is hindu culture. That is how islam poisons and degenerates its converted followers to become arab arse-lickers. All this , and you want to correlate islam with peace - that is the worst joke on humanity.
To all
written by Kaser , January 09, 2013
Notice Malem said: "follow Allah..."

He means follow the Quran... Therefore, abide by it's rules, change your ways, change your life, and only then, will you find peace.

For example, Non-muslims in Nigeria, Mali, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Somalia, ... Wll find peace ONLY when they join Islam...

Is not Islam full of love?
To Kaser
written by Archpagan , January 09, 2013
Real effect of Islam is complete colonization. Pakistan and Afghanistan, once the cradle of Vedic civilization is now part of the desert wasteland of Arab for all practical purpose. Human society has got rid of European colonialism in Africa and Asia. Next task of the civilized society should be to liberate Central, South and South-East Asia from Arab colonialism.
written by Kaser , January 10, 2013

Arab colonialism (aka Islam) has to be rendered as irrelevant (world-wide) as Christianity is becoming irrelevant everywhere also. So many educated westerners are leaving Christianity it will eventually affect all believers of all faiths.

Problem is, in the regions you mention above, there is so much illiteracy, non-education, parental religious-conditioning that these regions will remain strongholds where Islam will fester for many generations to come. Look at where Islam dishes out it's violence: Nigeria, Mali, Somalia, Yemen, ect... These "bottom-of-the-barrel" countries are so far back in terms of human evolution I sometimes wonder if they will ever be able to elevate their society above tribal warlords and feudal systems.

As for the likes of Saudi Arabia - where to start? Take Islam and give it billions in $$$ coming from Saudi's overdeveloped ability to sell dead dinosaur juice, and you have a dictatorship that calls itself a "Kingdom" with 5,000 princes ... Where women are LITTERALLY prisoners within their clothes, their homes and their country...
To Kaser
written by Archpagan , January 10, 2013
One question please, why do the Saudi monarch call himself 'King' not 'Sultan' or 'Caliph', does anyone have an idea?
written by fine , January 10, 2013
The word '' Sultan '' [ man with authority ] it comes from the root word '' sulta '' authority ''

it was used to call a ruler without the religious aspect, that, is left for the Caliphah , which is higher in authority and power from Sultan .

Caliphah means '' the successor '' of Muhammad

As time past, the name Sultans, eventually changed to a Kings …

Kings are just rules of holdings with borders … but Chaliphas are rules over the'' Ommah al Islamiya'' in entirety anywhere without borders .

The last Caliphah name was abdullmecid... he was an Ottoman Caliphah … he was pushed aside by Attatork in 1924 …

good ridden
written by youcancallmeV , January 10, 2013
It's Arab colonialism that created the Janjaweed, they're Muslim Arabs.
The conflict isn't religious, it is racial and the Janjaweed are killing Black Africans.
malem/abc/et al
written by vbv , January 10, 2013
What more !!! These muslim caliphates want nonmuslims to be "dhimmis" , in other word , a slave under muslims with no rights except to be subservient to the muslim overlords and to pay "jizzya". What is jizzya ? It is a protection money demanded by criminals so that they allow you to exist , not enjoy any rights other than those that allows you to be a subservient "dhimmi". Wow , how peaceful islam can be ,heh??? Now if there are no "dhimmis" ,it will be sectarian wars - with one sect trying to be more "islamic" and brutal than the other and impose its rule in the most vicious manner imaginable. This is some peace ,indeed !!! Shias and Sunnis cannot get along with each other , the quaidianis/ahmediyas , become "kaffirs", the deobandies ,wahabis, barrielvis,etc call each other their enemies and try to put down/eliminate each other...... And so on. And this is "islamic peace" for you. Democracy is bad but mullahcracy is good, humane civilised laws are bad but stoneage barbaric sharia code is good and "divinely ordained".... And this is all about "peace". Who will want such peace ? Only braindead zombies bereft of human values will want such "peace" for they have lost their way in the dark deep hole of ignorance and barbarisms called "islam".
To fine
written by Archpagan , January 10, 2013
Reports in English language always refer to the Saudi monarch as 'King'. But, what is the exact word used in Arabic Language? Is it 'King'?
written by fine , January 10, 2013
Yes, the word used in Arabic language is '' king '' ….. [ Malik ]

'' Malik '' means '' the owner ''..'' the possessor '' … it is used to convey owning things and spiritual elements too …comes from root word '' Mulk ''

It is confused with the word '' Malaak '' for single and '' Mala'ika '' for Plural … they are nouns, to mean '' guardians angles '' … they comes from root word '' Malak'' with short A's

Reed used to confuse the two … so to give Quran an added holy element, he rationalized and said Quran talked about anergy [ Malika ] the forces behind the creation of our universe.

Of course it is all non sense .
written by fine , January 10, 2013
King of Saudi Arabia ''' Abdallah bin abidallaziz al saud …. ''

is called … '' Al Malik Abdllah ''… king Abdullah …
To Malem
written by lw1 , January 11, 2013
You have claimed before that , 'Women are worshipped under the Koran.' I have asked you a few times, and you haven't answered, so how can we believe anything you say?
Peace-loving Pakistani Muslims
written by lw1 , January 11, 2013
BBC, 10 January, 2013. Pakistan Explosions 'kill dozens'
Twin blasts at a snooker hall in SW Pakistan city of Quetta have killed at least 56 people and injured more than 100, police say.
Many of the casualities were caused by the second blast as police and media rushed to the scene.
Earlier a bomb in a market area killed 11 people and injured 27 more, police said.
A spokesman for the militant group, the Baloch Army, said it had carried out the attack.
written by fine , January 11, 2013
When, Asaad the alawyi becomes the killing machine in Syria … Muslims here, shrug it, as they are nothing, but Atheists …

Well … what the excuse for today killings by the Suunis ? ….

Here is a new killings in different part of the world Pakistan, b] BY THE SUNNIS against Shiites … what is the excuse Now ? …

the Shities are not a military threat like in Syria … why ?

The answer is … the two are made from the same mold … Islam

Islam is the reason for the violence in Muslims countries … Islam was built on violence and Muhammad was violent …so Islam is violent .

written by youcancallmeV , January 11, 2013
And will Islam allow that murderous sectarianism to spill out of Pakistan?
Britain has a high number of Pakistani immigrants, there must be communities from both factions. It's pretty obvious that Islam has it's foundations in violent tribalistic behaviour, and that hatred is a religious priority and duty.
There is no respect for the sanctity of human life in Islam, there won't be any public statements condemning the sectarian violence in Pakistan issued by Muslim pundits in Britain.
written by youcancallmeV , January 12, 2013
So, somone I know shows me his pictures that were taken while he was on vacation in Pakistan. There's his son with a big grin while holding a Chinese AK-47.
I asked 'why does your family have an AK?'
He replied 'awww you know, it for security and things?'
'What things?'
He told me that they like to shoot 'things' and fire it at celebrations...
I asked why they didn't buy party poppers and what the 'things' were he would shoot it at.
'the robbers and leopard' was his answer.
The robbers it seems were petty thieves and the leopard is the Snow Leopard....that's the big cat that is on the Endangered Species Red List.
To V
written by Archpagan , January 14, 2013
Pakistan is the veritable hell on earth. There is practically no condemnation of violence from the civil society. Even when it does come that follows such pattern as to encourage the perpetrators. In their heart of hearts every Pakistani knows that Islam is at the root of all evil. But they don't have the courage to tell that. Pakistan should be captured and people there forced to abandon Islam. Otherwise, human society at large will face catastrophe.

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