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Understanding Al-iLah – The god of Muhammad, Islam and Muslims (Part 1)

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“The word ‘Allah’ predates Islam. Each Pagan Arab tribe had its own idol-gods and goddesses, but a number of tribes also acknowledged the existence of an “unknown god” they called al-ilah, which literally means (the god). He was considered to be the invisible, supreme deity; however, they did not have a unified concept of who he was. In due time, Allah became “…a universalization of that tribal god, who was often referred to as al-ilah (the god). When the tribe encountered another tribe, who had a god whom they also referred to as al-ilah, they both thought that they were referring to the same being, and so a universal idea of Allah grew among the Pagan Bedouin Arabs.”Nazir Ali

At this very moment, a Muslim is born and again on his/her death bed, seven Arabic words are whispered unto his/her ears: “La ilaha illilla, wa Muhammad ul rasul Allah” which translates as “(There is) no god except Allah and Muhammad (is) Allah’s prophet.” This creed, which is the focal point of the Islamic religion, is instilled into the minds of many a Muslims from cradle to grave for the last 1400 years. It is repeated five times a day to the Islamic call to prayers, etc. And, Muslims are also encouraged to repeat the name of Allah as many times as possible throughout those days in their lifetime!

Who is the so-called god of Muslims? What do we know about him? Or how was this god discovered some 1400 years ago? Questions…(?), I am sure many have asked and many still don’t even know about?

In this essay, we will try to delve into this and exemplify what is the real picture of Allah. History is there to know and learn about.

Ancient Pagan Bedouin Arabs had lots of deities, whom they worshipped. They were actually very superstitious believers. Hence, they believed in anything that amazed them and/or they were fearful in not knowing about it. Subsequently, some 360 odd idol-deities were represented in the sacred temple of Kaab’ah in their holy city of Mecca. Of these deities, four were prominent and the dominant gods in the desert region around Mecca and in large parts of the dunes of Arabian Peninsula.

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They were: al-iLah, and his three daughters, al-Lat, al-Uzzah and al-Manat. The top god was al-iLah (the name simply means “the god”).

The Three Goddesses of Pagan Arabia.

Muhammad simply chose the Pagan Arab’s supreme god al-iLah, aka Allah, and told that all the other gods were just made-up fantasies, and that Allah and the Jewish/Christian god Yahweh was one and the same god.

The Jews and Christians totally reject the Muslim claim that Islamic and the Jewish/Christian god, given there are too many fundamental and stark differences between their belief systems! It impossible to reconciles the god of the Quran and that of the Bible/Torah, unless this ILLUSTRIOUS god has a severe split personality—schizophrenia or a serious disorder in his godly mind frame (“Do not kill” vs. “Do not kill without a good reason”, the search for and the value of the “lost lamb” vs. “Do not mourn the wrongdoers”, to mention just the two).

However, Allah is also a much harsher god towards non-believers than Yahweh, at least as you meet Yahweh in both the Old & New Testament scriptures and the new covenant versus Allah in the late parts of Muhammad’s teachings Medina Surahs. In the Old Testament (OT), it is told about religious wars 2000-4000 years ago, whilst in the New Testament (NT) hardly accepts any wars. The Koran, especially those Surahs from Medina times, not only incites to hatred and war against non-believers, but also makes such wars a compulsory and unceasing duty upon the believers of Islam until Islam prevails, dominates and supersedes all the religion (2:193, 8:39 etc)! And that the second-class Kafir citizens must be measured with differing rights and privileges from those of Muslims, and they must always pay extra taxes under Islamic governance. Nice texts for terrorists?

It must be agreed that the Christian faith were sometimes used for political or military purposes despite no overt commandment to the effect in the NT scriptures. Islam has been used rights for terrorist, political and military purposes solely in accordance with its overt commandments to the effect, especially in the last some 22 Surahs from Medina (ones that are really valid according to Islam’s rule of abrogation – i.e. when two or more verses disagree, the youngest one normally is the correct one and the older ones are invalid. Obviously late Medina Surahs—that preach hatred, rape, violence and oppression—are the youngest).

Allah and the Christo-Jewish god are the same only if Allah is schizophrenic

Since there no convincing answers to the problem, let us list the mistakes that have been found, and then ask Muslims and non-Muslims for explanations. Please tell us where we are wrong, so we can understand why Islam is a real and true, and benevolent religion.

  1. “As for the Kafirs, whether thou warn them or thou warn them not, it is all one for them; for they believe not in Allah. Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom [...] In their hearts is a disease, and Allah increaseth their disease. A painful doom is theirs because they lie”. (Koran 2:6-10)
  2. “And Allah's is the direction of the way, and some (roads) go not straight. And had He willed He would have led you all aright”. (Koran 16:9)
  3. “And Allah guideth not the disbelieving folks. For such are they, whose hearts and ears and eyes Allah hath sealed. And such are the heedless. Assuredly in the Hereafter they are the losers”. (Koran 16:107-109)
  4. “As for him who disbelieveth, I shall leave him in contentment for a while, and then I shall compel him to the doom of Fires of Hell -a hapless journey's end!” (Koran 2:126)
  5. “For he whom Allah causeth to go astray, thou (O Muhammad) wilt not find a way for him: O ye who believe! Choose not disbelievers for (your) friends in place of believers. Would ye give Allah a clear warrant against you?” (Koran 4:143-144)
  6. “Lo! For those who disbelieve and deal in wrong, Allah will never forgive them; neither will He guide them unto a road, except the road of hell, wherein they will abide forever. And that is ever easy for Allah.” (Koran 4:168-169)

The spoken words of al-iLah overlap with those phrases such as “superiority of Muslims”, “making no friends with non-Muslims”, and “incitement to dislikes, hate and suppression” etc. They promote general dislikes, distancing from other beliefs and owning superiority – making an "enemy-picture" between Muslims and non-Muslims, whereas other verses directly incite hatred, violence and war.

And thanks exactly to such sacred teachings, Islam and non-Muslims has a very dark history – not quite black, but nearly – in spite of the use of good points as glossy flagships in official Islamic speeches and propagandas. While it is not entirely black, if you take into consideration the Mecca part of Quranic verses, but only when you “forget” that the softer attitude of the Quran in Meccan verses have basically overridden by the much harsher Medina Surahs, cruel and inhuman toward non-Muslims.

But beware that few, if any, of the ethical codes behind even this softer part of Islamic teachings were in fact not new ideas of Muhammad or Islamic Allah. They were taken/copied in thoughts mainly from neighboring cultures – Jewish, Christian, Persian and old Pagan Bedouin Arab cultures and religions.

To mention two of Islam’s “flagship” teachings, which we get to hear always:

  1. Muhammad put an end to killing girl babies (Koran 6:51)” – This is true, but a one blown out of proportion. It is clear – and also agreed by Muslim scholars – that while such killings happened, but only seldom. And Arab wise men were already condemning the practice before Muhammad. Muhammad simply picked up the thoughts of other Arab wise men and “sanctified” it as his own religious teaching.
  • The situation for women became much better under Islam”, Muslims like to tell. This is far less than half the truth. It may be true for women living in towns at least in parts of Arabia, but how many ever lived in towns and how many lived in rural areas around 610-632 C.E.? Moreover, the Koran does not say much about the life for non-Muslims under the Muslim rule. Most of it, one has to guess from those Koranic verses talking only indirectly about such things. For Example: Surahs talking about war, suppressing of non-Muslims, the superiority of Muslims, Muslim marriages, etc., etc!

Muslims – Allah’s Superior Race

It is only normal that in certain totalitarian racist system, the ruling group is said to be of better class or superiority, while all others are the marginalized lot. Allah has systematized this in the Koran to an extreme degree, where Muslims are the only worthy sort! Ironically, the Arabs, from the birth of Islam to this day, have reckoned themselves to be better quality Muslims than Muslims of other races, and honorable Muslims from non-Arab races have always criticized this. Below, we will review verses of Mecca part of the Quran that unravel the fact that Islam was racist religion from the very start.

Year 611-614 AD, Surahs 68:

68:8: “…So hearken not to those who deny (the Truth).” – do not bother about the lowly infidels.

68:35-36: “Shall We (Allah) treat the people of Faith (Muslims) like the People of Sin (non-Muslims)? What is the matter with you? How judge you?” Yes, “how judge ye” to believe non-Muslims can be of as good quality humans as Muslims?

Year 612-615 AD, Surahs 53:

53:29: “…shun those who turn away from Our (Allah’s) Message…” Shun the non-Muslims.

Year 614, Surahs 50:

50:24: “…throw into Hell every contumacious Rejecter (of Allah)!” Good Muslims do not end in Hell, so they clearly are much better.

Year 614-615 AD, Surahs 25:

25:44: “They (non-Muslims) are only like cattle -nay, they are worse astray in the Path.” Non-Muslims less worth than cattle. Well, we have heard that in some madrasas (Muslim religious schools) they discuss if non-Muslims have half the value of Muslims or less. It may be true?

Year not later than 614 – 615 AD, Surahs 20:

20:16: “…let not such as believe not therein (in the Koran) but follow their own lusts, divert thee (Muslim) there from...” No, it is much better to be a Muslim.

Year 614-615 AD, Surahs 35:

007 35/8: “Is he, then, to whom the evil of his conduct is made alluring (non-Muslims)… (equal to one who is rightly guided)?” Of course not – Muslims are much better, of course. This even though the famous Muslim al-Ghazali (1058-1111 AD) - "the greatest Muslim after Muhammad", according to Islam – marked the end of any new thinking in any science in the eastern and central Muslim world with his book "The Incoherence of the Philosophers" against philosophy in 1095 AD. For more than 900 years, there have not come one single new thought or idea bringing humanity forward in any kind of science, "humanoria" included, from the Muslim world, Mahgreb/Spain excluded. (There the ability and freedom to think yourself lasted another ca. 100 years – the death of Ibn Rushd (Averroes) in 1198 can arbitrarily be said to mark the end there). Not one single new thought or new idea in over 900 years! Among now some 1.2 BILLION people! Yes, it has really to be said: It is difficult to match Muslims and Islam.

Actually, for long times, new ideas meant punishment or even death penalty in some places, although after some time it was agreed on that new ideas building on the Koran and the Hadiths could be accepted, but all other ideas were “Bad new thoughts” and negative or punishable.

35:19: “The blind (non-Muslims) and the seeing (Muslims) are not alike…” No, a blind man – like Stevie Wonder – has no value!

35:20: “Nor (alike) are the depths of Darkness (meaning non-Muslims*) and the Light (meaning Muslims)…” Logically, as true as a number of other loose statements that is in the Koran. But is a religion and culture that do not bring one single new thought or idea benefiting man for more than 900 years – and that is literally speaking – really represents light?

35:21: “Nor (alike) are the (chilly) shade (non-Muslims) and the (genial) heat of the sun (Muslims)…” Is it here symbolic that in Paradise there is shade according?

35:22: “Nor (alike) are those who are living (Muslims) and those that are dead (non-Muslims).” In a stagnant civilization of the intellectually living-dead (see 35/8), this is likely to be true of course. (But there have been some small tendencies to new intellectual life the last some 60 years – though not enough to bring forth new ideas, only to question some of the old ones).

Is it symbolic that intellectual life in medieval Islam lasted longest in the West (Mahgreb/Spain?)? But Muslims are best according to this verse and many more in the Koran.

Year 614-615 AD, Surahs 38:

38:28: “Shall We (Allah) treat those who believe and work deeds of righteousness (Muslims) the same as those who do mischief on earth (non-Muslims)?” Of course not – Muslims are the best and deserves the best treatment. Just like the Nazis in Germany, the Chinese in Mao's China, the Serbs under Milochewich or communists under Pol Pot, to mention a few.

38:28: “Shall We (Allah) treat those who guard against evil (Muslims), the same as those who turn away from the right (non-Muslims)?” Above we have commented the quotations – and will comment more. But read them alone and pretend you are a believing Muslim. Lots of such statements make an impression, and build up something inhuman inside a person who comes to believe it. (May be a reason why the humanitarian organizations mainly originate in the West, not f. ex. in the rich Saudi Arabia? - a fundamental difference somewhere deep down?)

Year 615-617 AD, Surahs 39:

39:9: “Is one (Muslim) who worship devotedly during the hours of the night - (like one who does not (non-Muslim)…?” According to the Koran, there is big difference. And who in a primitive or brain-washed audience or in an audience WANTING to believe, understand they are manipulated?

39:9: “Are those equal, those who know (Muslims) and those (non-Muslims) who do not know?” Statements and questions like this is a psychologically efficient way to build up a belief in “our” own superiority and the inferiority and badness of the rest. Many dictators frequently use similar technique – be it countries or organizations. The not too intelligent and/or those with limited education mostly do not understand they are manipulated.

39:9: “It is those (Muslims) who are endued with understanding that receives admonition”. This is another efficient way of manipulating: Flatter. Especially the ones not endowed with too much reasoning power, easily like to believe things like this. It makes their self-esteem swell. And if other groups in addition are said to be inferior to them, that surely does not hurt their self-esteem either.

39:19: “Is, then, one against whom the decree of Punishment is justly due (non-Muslim) (equal to one who eschews evil (Muslims)”. Still another technique for manipulation. In this case, partly to induce real discrimination, “they” are bad people and cannot be compared to “us”. Maybe we even had better shun them – or do worse?

39:22: “Is one whose heart Allah has opened to Islam (Muslims) - - - (no better than one hardhearted (non-Muslim)”. Of course Muslims are the best – at least according to the Koran. Good for the self-esteem, at least for the ones needing a boost of the same – which often includes the rubble in a society.

39:24: “Is, then, one (non-Muslim) who has to fear the brunt of the Penalty (Hell) on the Day of Judgment - - - (like one (Muslim) who guarded there from)?” Like 39/22.

39:29: “…most of them (non-Muslims) have no knowledge.” But Muslims of course have, and are much better people. This included not one single new thought promoting the life of man for some 900 years in the Muslim world. Actually, there is a well-known Hadiths saying something like ‘All new ideas (“bida” in Arab) are heresy (“wrong teaching”), all heresy is wrong, and everything that is wrong leads to hell’. Islam found a way to moderate it a little, though: If a new idea – a “bida” – is in accordance with the Koran and Hadith and all decisions are made by consensus among the leading learned Muslims through the times (such decisions are called “ijima” in Arab), the new idea may – may – be a acceptable “bida”.

Under such conditions, it is not strange that few new ideas emerges – and none that is not meant to question (or at least not conflict with) old ideas, not to mention with the religion.

Year 616-618 AD, Surahs 40:

40:58: “Not equal are the blind (non-Muslim*) and those who (clearly) see (Muslims)”. According to the Koran the answer is obvious - and the self-esteem of Muslims increased. There is a feeble feeling, though, that something is wrong. On the ones side a book relying only on the words of a somewhat special man, and a book containing lots and lots of the hallmarks of cheating, swindling and deceiving. On the other a culture that in spite of mistakes - f. ex. taking colonies like each and every empire and even smaller powers have done throughout all times, included Arabia and other Muslim states - has brought most humans a very much better life the last few hundred years - just in medicine the poor today often are better off than the richest king was just 100 years ago.

As far as we know, not a single of those medicines originated in the Muslim world. Neither did one single of the other new ideas. But, in a society where only the next world (real or imagined or wrong -as it is built on a book with lots of mistakes) really counts, the Muslims after all are the elite class?

40:58: “…nor are (equal) those who believe and work deeds of righteousness (Muslims) and those who do evil (non-Muslims)”. This is obvious.

Year 616-618 AD, Surahs 41:

41:33: “Who is better in speech than one who calls (men) to Allah, works righteousness, and (is Muslim)?” Of course “we” – the Muslims – are best. Muhammad did not know the word psychology, we think, but he understood people and how to pep them up.

41:40: “Which is better? - he (the non-Muslim) that is cast into the Fire, or he (the Muslim) that comes safe through…” Does anyone feel a wisp the word “discrimination” or the lack of proof?

Year 616-618 AD, Surahs 45:

45:21: “What! Do those who seek after evil ways (non-Muslims) think We (Allah) shall hold them equal with those who believe (Muslims) and do righteous deeds - - -?” Except for that there is a question whether it is a righteous deed, for a thousand years to give their believers education only in Muslim sciences – all knowledge that was needed to study Islam, mainly religion and Arab and related knowledge – but block as many believers as possible from all “foreign sciences” – all other knowledge, which was the case at least from al-Ghazali ("The Incoherence of the Philosophers") at the end of the 11th century (in Spain about 100 years later). Except for things like that, may be the Koran is right: Muslims are at the top of quality.

Year 618-619 AD, Surahs 67:

67:22: “Is then one who walks headlong, with face groveling (non-Muslims), better guided - or one who walks evenly on a Straight Way (Muslim)?” A rhetorical question with an obvious answer where Muslims of course are the best… Especially, when they obey Allah and make war or in other ways kill or suppress non-Muslims - they are the on top of the social and moral human pyramids?

Year 620 earliest, Surahs 34:

34:33: “We (Allah) shall put yokes on the necks of the Unbelievers: it would only be a requital for their (ill) Deeds.” That is what those bad people deserve. They are not better.

Year 621 AD, Surahs 6:

6:21: “Who doth more wrong than he (non-Muslim) who invented a lie (said something else than Muhammad) against Allah and His Signs (none of whom is logically valid proofs)?” No, it is not possible to be more wrong than the non-Muslims. “We” (Muslims) are morally and in other ways far superior. But, do Islam really have a moral or ethical philosophy? In that case, we have never seen it. They have some commandments and codes from Muhammad – and some of them are horrible. That is all we have found.

Year 621 AD, Surahs 28:

28:61: “Are (these two) alike? - one to whom We (Allah) have made a goodly promise (Muslim) - - - and one (non-Muslim) who We have given the good things of this life, but who (will go to Hell)?” Another rhetoric question with an obvious answer enlarging “our” self-esteem and feelings of righteousness. But with an addition: many religions have a problem with non-believers or not-so-good believers, who have a good life in this world so as Islam. But the Koran explains it very simply like some other religions: “It is Allah who in his unfathomable wisdom has decided it like that – to try the bad person or for some other reason only Allah understands – but Allah is going to punish him in the next life”. A fulfilling explanation that leaves the others envy half satisfied, and their gloating also half satisfied – and our self-esteem at least on par or a little in plus. You find this argument in variations time and again in the Koran.

AND FINALLY: Allah has never – EVER – proved his existence or any connections to his holy prophet. There only were words… The cheater and the betrayer (e.g. Khybar and its peace-talk delegation). All belief systems, both older and newer, are of wishful thinking of imaginary psychological constructs & fanciful delusions.

To be continued…

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written by Bakr , January 12, 2013
Ohh, I dont know that so sacred ALLAH was nothing but a pagan GOD!!! So Muslims are kneel down before a pagan GOd, sounds nice :D

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Allah and God
written by Gnostic , January 12, 2013
Of course the islamic VIEW on god/Allah is different from the christian view. But does it make sense to claim that muslim worship a different god?

For instance, the word "god" is of old german origin, neutrum, without sex and used for many different german gods.

The word is also related to latin deus, greek Zeus and indian dewas and they all have different views how god looks like.

Translated into other languages there come even more views into play and, btw, arab christians also call god Allah!

And even the Jews were using different names such as Jahwe or Jehova, Elohim and maybe others. Moreover, they were not monotheists from the beginning but this developed over time. They had been polytheists, then probably Henotheists which means that one god is the most important before they became true monotheists.

This jewish monotheism was probably an invention by Isahja and not Moses, as most people might think, because the books of mose were written much later and not by Moses himself.

So in general we are not talking about god here but about views and the islamic view is of course different from others.

The islamic god is influenced by the jewish one (both are jealous) and, probably, much more by Muhammad and his followers who were in need for a religion that allowed him to kill any people who would not follow him.

There is of course also some ancient arab influence but I do not think that the ancient arab Allah was that violent and that hateful - was he?
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written by Jimi , January 12, 2013
Fine. You can call god Allah. You can call him what ever you like. I think the problem is when you say Mohammed is his prophet
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The god of Islam is not the God of the Bible
written by Walter Sieruk , January 12, 2013
With the information of the above article it thus needs to be repeated one again that the god of Islam is not the God of the Bible inspite of what some may claim. To explain this it should be known that in the passing of time it has become widely accepted that the word God is just the Arabic word of God. This started when truth compromising Bible translators' substitued the word Allah where the word God should have been used in the Arabic translation of the Bible. Furthermore, in the glossary of the book ASSASINS ! by Dr. Haha Lung defines Allah as the "Pre-Islamic Lunar god the god of Islam." Likewise, thebook INSIDE ISLAM by Reza F. Safa on pages 22,23 reads "In pre-Islamic times both Allah -worship and Baal-worship involved the worship of the sun, the moon and the stars which defines them as astral religions." [Such cults are condemned in the Bible; Second Kings 21;3,5. 23:5. Second Chronicles 33;5.] The cresent moon, which was the symbol of moon worship is also the sysmbol of Islam. In short, the god of Islam is not the God of the Bible.

The words in brackets are my own. This above truth is further exposed in many book. to name just a few are the books ISLAM AND THE SON OF GOD by Dr. Daniel Shayesteh, WHO IS THIS ALLAH ?, THE ISLAMIC INVASION by Robert Morey , PHILISTINEby Romon Bennett and UNVEILING ISLAM by Ergun Mehmet Caner and Emir Fethi Caner. It also should also noted that a least one of the reads of Islam-watch played the old trick of trying to doing his best to trash the authors of these book because the information from those book are so valid and iron clad that it can't be refuted . So the old trick is "That if you can't refute ther message trash the messager
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written by kope , January 12, 2013
A Jew explains why Allah is the one and only God .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMOAM1LnJ8o
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written by kope , January 12, 2013
Allah - God of ISRAEL .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATrDPGypJHw
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God and Allah
written by Gnostic , January 13, 2013
The god of the bible created Adam and the god of the quran created Adam. God and Allah also have some prophets in common with very similar traditions such as Moses, Joseph and many others.

No muslim thinks that he is worshipping a moon god during prayer. He believes that he worships the god who created Adam and that his religion is related to judaism and christianity. It is even forbidden to worship Hubal or any other ancient arab god.

So it is obvious that islam hijacked the jewish god just the same way the christians did centuries before. Most jews would never accept that jesus was the son of god and they would even say that islam is closer to judaism than christianity because much like judaism, islam also does not accept Paul and the New Testament.

And there were even other christians, the gnostics, who believed that the god behind Christ is different from the jewish god. They believed that only the christian god is really merciful while the jewish god is jealous and sometimes very cruel. Todays christians believe in only one god but they still share the view that god is much more merciful than in the Old Testament.

There are many examples that people or god were hijacked or reinvented. Our image about Santa Claus is much different from the historical Saint Nicolas. Zarathustra was reinvented by Nietzsche in a similar way the historical Dr. Faustus was reinvented by Goethe.

But in contrast to Dr. Faustus or Saint Nicolas God and Allah are not historical. They only exist by the imagination of their followers and this means WYIIWYG: What you imagine is what you get.

And here I keep my opinion that the islamic god is even much more hateful than the jewish one. The islamic Allah has little to do with an ancient moongod who was not hateful at all. In order to understand Allah we need to understand the people around Muhammad who created him. They were in need for a god who hates Jews and Christians and any infidels or apostates and this is just what they have got since they created him by themselves.

Did the ancient arab moongod hate christian and jews? No word about it.
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@Kope
written by Only by telling the truth ...... , January 13, 2013
About Imran Firasat, the Pakistani ex-muslim, you wrote:

"now you know how to keep your shite mouth shut
you learned hard way boy
and remember where ever you go islam will chase you"




Kope, the way you write, shows Islam only teaches you to swear and put others down .... what a faith!

Oh yes, this reminds me, both Allah and Mo would curse regularly .... the fact that their followers would do so, is not really surprising, is it?

Kope, one cannot stifle people from telling the truth, especially in this day and age of the internet .... a few influential muslims did try doing it throughout the last 1450 years, but they were silenced or simply killed ..... alas, that cannot be done now!

This trickle of truth and reality of Islam would soon become a surge and finally develop into a torrent with large-scale desertions from Islam and/or a final battle with the non-muslims resulting in Islam's annihilation.

KOPE, SAVE YOURSELF WHILE THERE IS STILL TIME, COME OUT OF ISLAM AND INTO PROGRESS, PEACE & HUMANITY!
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Only by telling the truth ......
written by kope , January 13, 2013
read my blog

http://hfghj23458654fgha.xanga.com/
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written by vbv , January 13, 2013
Muslims like to rob . They robbed Allah from the pantheon of preislamic pagan deities of Arabia, they robbed the jewish patriarchs to bolster their cult's claim to be a religion , they rob the achievements in knowledge, science and philosophy from the civilisations they ravaged and destroyed and claimed it in the name of islam. They even claimed Alexander the great as a muslim ,while he was actually a Macedonian , a greek king. You find many muslims carrying the name "Sikander" , a corruption of the name Alexander , and this is found among the muslims in South Asia. They do all this brazenly with a blink of conscience and pontificate to others about the socalled "greatness" of their barbaric and immoral cult of arabia called "islam".
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Allah is as Allah does
written by Yibel , January 13, 2013
Qur'an 74:32 proclaims: "I say the truth and call the moon to witness."

Islam’s account of creation is certainly entertaining (from the English translation of The History of al-Tabari, Creation to the Flood): Tabari I:188 "Jews came to the Prophet and asked him about the creation of the heavens and the earth. He said, 'Allah created the earth on Sunday and Monday. He created the mountains and the uses they possess on Tuesday. On Wednesday He created trees, water, cities and the cultivated and barren land. On Thursday, He created heaven. On Friday, He created stars, the sun, moon, and angels, until three hours remained. In the first of these three hours, He created the terms, who would live and who would die. In the second, He cast harm upon everything that is useful for mankind. And in the third, Adam, and had him dwell in Paradise.'"

The above account of Islamic creation does not resemble the Biblical account in any way, shape, or form. Just because Muhammad plagarized some Biblical stories and used some Biblical names to bolster his outlandish claims of being a prophet, doesn't make his god Allah the Biblical god, YHVH.

Muslims worship (bow down and pray to) a ROCK - a dirty, dingy, sordid ROCK - which is mounted on the corner of a building located in a remote desert that NOT ONE of the people spoken of in the Bible ever visited, or even mentioned.
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Allah = God?
written by Gnostic , January 13, 2013
It is a very common phenomeom that religions borrow from other sources. There is no pure and clean religion available. They are all influenced by something from somewhere.

Buddhism was influenced by Brahmaism and Judaism by the relgions of Mesopotamia. We can see how gods from african or american indigenous religions became catholic saints or hindu devas became buddhist saints (bodhisattvas).

Interestingly, the atholic missionairies who went to China some centuries ago firmly believed that the chinese god or heaven was identical to the jewish and christian god and some translators even translated "heaven" with "god" which is nonsense in my view because they have nothing in common.

Back to God and Allah: They are definetely referring to the same god but have different view how he looks like; their views are different because of their different historical backgrounds.

Evangelicals also have a different view of god than other christians. Does this mean that they are worshipping a different god? No, they are worshipping different imaginations they have about god.
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to KOPI
written by Infidel MP , January 13, 2013
Kopi you should be more scared of the western world for they are accepting public nudity.
Which means you will see naked men and women in public places.
So this may corrupt you beyond you little collection of images.
And in the western world there are men who like men so you, abc and malman may be subject to eye rape as well for they will know you guys have have shaved smooth arsz.
Beware..

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God and Allah -Addendum
written by Gnostic , January 14, 2013
The Roman god Sol Invictus was born on 12th Decembre and it is obvious that christmas dervived from this event much like the islamic clebrations around the Kaaba derived from pre-islamic pagan habits.

There are also prallels to the cult of Mithras but nobody would suggest that christians worship Sol Invictus or Mithras.

Therefore, instead of the question of God or Allah it is a much more interesting approach to ask for the origins of islamic belief.

While islam claims that the Kaaba was used by Abraham long times ago and that Adam etc. were musims there is absolutely nothing that could confirm this.

Nothing but fiction. Not even science fiction!
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Fairy tales ...
written by Kaser , January 14, 2013
Well, for my part, I was raised a Christian, so I read and learned all there was to learn about it. God, Christ, Holy Spirit... Fair tale 1.
I also read many (most) parts of the Quran. Can't remember any of it except praise god, hate infidels, praise god, fear hell, hate infidels, ect, ect, ad nauseam...... Fairy tale 2.
I also read J.R.R. Tolkien's "The Lord of the rings". Twice. Fairy tale 3.

BY FAR, Tolkien's make-believe story is much more entertaining to read that the two other make-believe stories - aka - The bible and the Koran.
So I pick Tolkien as the true path. I will strive to be like frodo - and destroy the one ring in the "Mount Doom" volcano of Mordor.

Hahaha... seriouly. Al lot of debate to talk about human constructs...
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The problem with the god of Muhammad .......
written by lw1 , January 14, 2013
Quran is more than 60% threats and hatred.
Almost 100 Shias are killed in Pakistan and they are laid out in the coffins by the road and refused to bury the dead. Killing Shias is a regular activity for Sunnis and Taliban and their sympathizers.
On previous occasions, Shias have been bombed when they are having a funeral for those killed by Sunnis or Taliban.
Has there been mass demonstrations in Pakistan or other Muslim countries against this outrage? Muslims please come and tell us where this has happened.
In Pakistan , a sect called Ahamaddiya has been outlawed since 1984. Other Muslims accepted this in Pakistan, meaning 'land of the Pure'. (Pure Muslims).
Why no mass protests?
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lw1
written by Kaser , January 15, 2013
There are no manifestations in the West when Muslims get killed by other Muslims.
Because this would be akin to admitting there is violence in Islam - something no hard-core fist-in-the-air radical Muslim wants to admit.

So when Muslims kill Muslims, or Muslims kill Christians, ect, ect... There are no manifestations in the streets.

BUT, insult the prophet, and all you get are... wait for it.... more Muslims killing other humans...

Pathetic.
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Allah is the false god of Islam : a pagan god
written by Walter Sieruk , January 15, 2013
It's a true statement that no Muslim think that he is worshiping a pagan lunar god when is he worshiping his god ,Allah. This only shows just how deluded such a person is. Just to give one of many examples of this to expose this is fron the book by a former Muslim and Hezbollah member who is now a Christian, Dr, Daniel Shayesteh. His book in entitles ISLAM AND THE SON OF GOD. It reads om pages 7,8 that "Allah is a generic term of God in many Middle -Eastern cultures. Allah is identified as on of the 360 or idols worshiped by the Arabian people for centuries before Muhammad was born. Many do not know that Allah was the moon god of the Arabians. This explains the crescent moon found on the minarets of mosques and the flages of Muslim nations."
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Islam and the Creation Myth
written by Yibel , January 15, 2013
Gnostic, you write: "The god of the bible created Adam and the god of the quran created Adam." However:

The name "Adam" in Hebrew simply means "Man." The God of the Bible created Adam (Man) "in His own image" and breathed his spirit into him so that humans would be like Him spiritually. The Biblical God placed Adam (Man) in a garden here on earth.

The gawd of the Qur'an (which really means Hell'Sky, BTW) created ITS first human somewhere up there in the sky, NOT here on earth:

Tabari I:258 "Allah sent Jibril to the earth to bring Him some clay. The earth said, 'I take refuge in Allah against you mutilating me.'" (That's right, folks. According to Islam, the earth speaks. And it talks back denying Allah's requests.)

"So Jibril returned without having taken any clay and said, 'Lord, the earth took refuge in You, and I granted its wish.' Allah then sent Michael, and exactly the same thing happened. Then He sent the angel of death. He took some soil from the earth and made a mixture. He did not take it from a single place but took red, white, and black soil. Therefore, the children of Adim came out different."

Tabari I:259 continued: "The Lord Almighty sent Iblis (Satan) to take some skin from the earth, both sweet and salty, and Allah created Adim from it. For this reason he was named Adim - he was created from the skin (adim) of the earth."
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part two
written by Yibel , January 15, 2013
Muhammad, Allah's illiterate messenger, didn't know that "Adam" was actually the Hebrew word for "man." When he heard the story of man's (Adam's) creation, he thought the Jews were saying the Arabic word for skin - adim. Just goes to show that if you're going to plagiarize, you ought to be more careful or you're apt to mistake Lucifer/Iblis/Satan for Jibril/Gabriel and attribute creation to the wrong so-called god.

Qur'an 15:26 "We fashioned man from fermented clay, stinking slime, dried tingling hard as we fashioned jinn (demons) from white hot flame."

Tabari I:259 continued: "He (Iblis) went up with the soil, then moistened it so it
became sticky clay. The soil changed and become stinking. This is what Allah meant when He said, 'From slime, stinking.'"

So, ACCORDING TO ISLAM, we're different races because, the stinking slime
was red, white, and black - AND we owe our existence to the "angel of death."
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So, where does Islam go from here
written by Yibel , January 15, 2013
Well, it doesn't get better, that's for sure!

Islam completely dispenses with the "in His image" idea because Islam’s god and man are supposed to have nothing in common. Tabari I:261 "Allah caused Adim's clay to ferment. He left it lying around for forty nights.... Iblis/Satan used to come to it and kick it with his foot, whereupon it made sounds. Then Iblis entered Adim's mouth and left from his posterior, and he entered his ass and left from his mouth. Then he said, 'You are not something for making sounds. What then were you created for? If I am given authority over you, I shall ruin you.'"

After exploring Adim's posterior, Iblis/Satan told the angels, "Don't be afraid of that one (the fermenting Adim) for Allah is solid whereas this one is hollow."

Al-Ah, the Black Rock of the Ka'aba certainly is solid. Rocks are solid. But the God of the Bible is spirit by all Biblical accounts, which makes him the antithesis of solid.
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Gnostic, two questions
written by Yibel , January 15, 2013
Islam is based on the pagan rituals of the worship of the stone-gawd of the Ka'aba, reported to be a meteorite or Moon Stone - circling the stone 7 times, kissing the stone, running back and forth between two sacred hills near Makkah, watching for the crescent moon to rise, etc. No relationship to anything Judaic.

In addition, the only name of God in the Bible is YHVH (over 6000 times). In Hebrew it means "I Am." The name Allah/al-Ah, an Egyptian lunar god, never occurs, not even once. So, what gives you the idea that there is any similarity between these two religions?

Just because someone used a VERY FEW names taken from the Bible and plagarized (badly, I might add) a VERY FEW Biblical stories doesn't mean that Islam and Judaism are even remotely similar. And, while I agree that there is no way to prove that someone named Moshe/Moses wrote the first five books (The Torah) of the Bible OT, who the L is this "Isahja" that you refer to?
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To Yible, Gnostic
written by Archpagan , January 15, 2013
@ Yible
Both Islam and Judeo-Christianity have single God (Allah/Yahweh) and single earthly Central figure (Jesus Christ/Mohammad/Moses). Moreover, both prohibits making any image of God. So, structurally, all the three are same. It makes no difference if Allah had been a pagan moon God and Yahweh the war God of the Semites.
@ Gnostic
Man created God. But the difference with Islam is that Mohammad demonized God. He modeled his God on the existing idea of demon.

Jews might have taken lessons on Monotheism from the Egyptian Pharaoh Amenhotep-II who introduced worship of one God named Eton prohibiting worship of multiple Gods by the Egyptians. His aim was to subdue the priestly class and achieve better cohesion among his subjects. The nomadic Hebrew people (Jews) consisting of warring tribes worshiping various tribal Gods found a tool in Monotheism to achieve their badly needed unity. So, Monotheism is a purely political idea.
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@abc and kopi
written by Ivan , January 15, 2013
I am a convert to Islam ... because I married a Muslim girl. I thought it was good until the more I learned about Islam the more I learned about its deception. The Qur'an is filled with errors (scientific and tales) and it is not even organized. Islam is good for a man because he has authority over the woman. No equality, I believe they would love to live in Western countries.
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IVan
written by Kaser , January 16, 2013
Sorry to hear of your conversion - you now know Islam is a one-way street.
You join the cult - and that's it, you cannot leave.
Will you be branded an apostate by your in-laws if you leave Islam?
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Kaser
written by Ivan , January 16, 2013
I am not sure. In the Qur'an it is written to kill apostates. Funny how a person has to kill not God himself, pathetic! So much for a almighty God that can do anything. Also, so much for "moderate" Muslims.
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Kaser
written by Ivan , January 16, 2013
I am not sure. In the Qur'an it is written to kill apostates. Funny how a person has to kill not God himself, pathetic! So much for a almighty God that can do anything. Also, so much for "moderate" Muslims.
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Ivan
written by Kaser , January 16, 2013
Quran: 4.089
YUSUFALI:
They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they):
But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden).
But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them;
and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-
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Kaser
written by lw1 , January 18, 2013
Muslims will keep on denying their responsibility and the killing of Muslims and non-muslims will continue. Their leaders always point finger of blame at others and most of the Muslims accept it because Quran has taken away their ability to reason.Christians,Hindus and other religions have moved forward , but in many places Sharia is being imposed by force.Only Muslims can change this if they are willing to see beyond Quran.
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If God had created
written by non believer , January 21, 2013
If god had created man he would have given the same picture to men all over the world. The fact that it is not so makes it clear that man created god and different men created different gods. The gods they created depended on their outlook. The Greeks, Romans and Hindus created Kingdom of gods. The desert people created their own gods. Moses created an anti Egyptian god.Christ modified that god to be anti Roman, and Mo created an anti Jew god. The fact that god has not cleared the confusion proves that god is an imagination imposed by the cunning to control the masses. If there is anybody by name god he is a sadist who enjoys wars

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