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Ramadan in Saudi: It's Party Time, Part 1

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... for the Saudis and hellish time for the non-Arab Muslims, working there.

ramadan party time in Saudi Arabia
It's Ramadan: And It's Time to Party

The idea of this article is to highlight the pain and burdens, which the non-Arab Muslims, living in democracies, have unfortunately adopted own their own accord in the name of Islam, thanks to their ignorance. This article is not to offend the Arabs or anyone, but to unravel a reality about the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, which the world's non-Arab Muslims are unaware of.

Ramadan is the most sacred month for Muslims, especially for the non-Arab Muslims, such as Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Indians, and Indonesians etc., and also probably for the newly converted Muslims of the West. It was same for me before I visited Saudi Arabia for my service there, when I was a pious, Indian Muslim.


It was a wonderful joy for me to visit the Sacred Land of our beloved Prophet Muhammad, that too in the Holy month of Ramadan. There are hundreds of thousand non-Arab Muslims, who loves Muhammad more than Allah and prefer to die in Medina instead of Mecca (The house of Allah).

On my arrival in Saudi Arabia to work in the Government department as an engineer, myself and my fellow Indian co-workers suffered hunger, and survived on water alone for the first three consecutive days, as no officials cared to take care of us. After knowing the agony of the five newly arrived Indian Muslims, an Indian employee of that firm rushed to our guest house and fed us for two consecutive days in his villa at his own expense and requested the admin department to help us. While chatting with us, he repeated told us that we came to Saudi Arabia at the wrong time, because nobody works there during that season, because “it was Ramadan”. It was difficult for me then to hear odds about my Arab brothers from an Infidel. Yes, that caring Indian was a Hindu, an infidel, who fed us, five Muslims, during Ramadan for two days. I couldn’t express my displeasure at him at that time and restrained my feelings. After this incident, I worked nearly ten years in Saudi Arabia and witnessed ten seasons of Ramadan. Those ten years changed my life, enlightened myself about my ignorance about Islam, and forced me to STUDY Islam carefully, and finally I became enlightened as an ATHEIST. In this essay, I will draw the readers' attention to the scenarios of the sacred month RAMADAN in Saudi Arabia.


  1. Based on my ten years stay in Saudi Arabia, I felt that Ramadan is not as sacred as we, the non-Arab Muslims, regard it as. Instead, it is a carnival time, Joyous month for the frustrated Saudis.
  2. It is not a fasting, but a feasting, month for the Saudis. They fast and sleep all day long, and eat the whole night by attending parties and playing in between the parties till dawn.
  3. They celebrate this month after an eleven months long frustration of manmade laws. Throughout the month, they won’t sleep at nights. Instead they play cards, carom, dominos and smoke with ‘HABLI BABLI’ – the pipe and apparatus (Hookah). They share this pipe smoking among them in a very unhygienic manner. This play start every day after Ishaan (night) prayer and continues until the morning prayer. At least ten Saudis from close relatives and neighborhood meet up every night at someone’s house in turn. Youngsters and children, who usually have no practice of playing in the normal months, take the full advantage of Ramadan and play football matches at mid-night. Their activities resemble "bats” during this month.
  4. Always the Saudis need servants (literally slaves). During the night parties, they temporarily hire the poor non-Arab Muslims to serve them tea and food, and prepare fire for the “HABLI BABLI”. They eat several times all kinds of special food in between their games. These servants, having served the Saudis the whole night, must attend their normal duties at daybreaks.
  5. The non-Arab servant girls (Concubines - mostly Muslims) cook and serve them the whole night round, and have to take care of the school-going children and infants during day time. So, it is a sleepless month for these helpless maids. It is very painful to hear the stories of these poor souls. It requires pages after pages to write about their agonies. In simple words, it is a curse to be a maidservant in Saudi Arabia, more so during the month of Ramadan.
  6. It is a practice among the Arabs and even among the non-Arab Muslims to enquire one another a week earlier before the arrival of Ramadan about the purchase of Ramadan grocery, because it is a "huge purchase". They spend at least 3 to 4 times more on food in Ramadan than the normal month. Well, that how IT IS A FASTING MONTH. And supermarkets flourish with abundance of groceries with attractive offers.
  7. The office-going Saudis reserve their place of sleep by keeping their blankets and pillows, 2 days prior to the arrival of Ramadan in their respective offices. Their job will be taken care of by the infidel colleagues during Ramadan, while they sleep in office. It is an unwritten law during Ramadan. The responsible senior Saudi officers, who fears “Allah” (!!!), do not sleep like the junior Saudis do. Senior officials sleep in their respective chairs by holding the “Holy Quran” (!!!) in their hands.
  8. The non-Saudi employees, be they Muslim or infidel, have to work as normal as they were. They also have to take care of the duties of the sleeping Saudis of their respective categories. Of course, the non-Saudi Muslims get 2 hours off in their duty hours.
  9. The non-Muslim staffs of any office must take their lunch behind closed doors, because the flavour of their food may weaken the faith of the sleeping Saudis and tempt them to break their fast.
  10. Shops stay closed all day long and open with special illuminating lightings throughout the night and close at the call for the morning Prayer. Women seems to have a little bit privilege to visit shops during the night hours in groups, of course under the watch of a male member, but not as tight as it is in normal months. When the women get this privilege, they too try to grab the advantages of the sacred month by moving freely with non-Saudi salesmen of the shops. Some of my bachelor non-Saudi friends, who worked in shops as salesmen, used to whisper to me about their fondling the Saudi women during Ramadan. This act is mostly initiated from the women's side.
  11. Saudi women try her best to empty the purse of her husband during Ramadan by changing the old furniture, curtains and carpets with new ones. The idea behind this purchase is not to decorate her house, but to empty the purse of her husband. By doing so, she prevents him from “buying” a new wife. It is true whenever a Saudi man felt his purse is heavy, he looks for a new wife. If he already has four wives, he may kick out the odd one. So his wives strive hard to consolidate their positions by these kinds of expenses during Ramadan. Thus, the Ramadan has some good effects too.
  12. Nobody should eat or drink anything in public during the fasting hours. The offender will be whipped by the patrolling religious police.

CONCLUSION: There are more to said, but I like to rest my case here. Above narration is enough for the non-Arab Muslims, working in Saudi Arabia, to realize how the Saudis make their life hellish during Ramadan, and try to seek the path of wisdom. If this is the scenario of Ramadan in the sacred land of Muhammad, then where lies the sacredness and spirituality of Islam?

What makes the Saudis celebrate in such unrestrained fashion in the month Ramadan, the so-called month of fasting for inculcating restraint, held sacred by the non-Arab Muslims?

Is that the real Islam?

Why are non-Arab Muslims so serious about it and consider it to be so auspicious?

Are they more religious than the Saudis?

In simple logic, it could not be, because geographically they are far away from the sacred land. Biologically also definitely they couldn’t be closer to Muhammad or to his companions than the Saudis. Linguistically also they are very far from Arabic.

Are the non-Arab Muslims so ignorant of Islam?

If it is so, what made them to be so ignorant?

Generally the Saudi Bedouins call the non-Saudi foreigners as “MUQH MAAFI” or “MAAFI MUQH”, which means “BRAINLESS” or “FOOLS”.

Do they really mean it?

Are they fully aware of their cheating by Muhammad?

Do the non-Arab Muslims deserve to be called MUQH MAAFI?

We will analyze these facts in PART 2 of this article.

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Great Article!
written by The Great Buana , July 19, 2011
I really loved to read this. More of this kind, please! BTW, there is surely more to say about health risks during Ramadan for people suffering from diabetes and other deseases, dehydration and much more. There is also an economic impact, production cuts by half and many things left undone, problems to get documents and whatsoever.
written by duh_swami , July 19, 2011
It's comical that missing lunch is called 'fasting'...No one has ever been seriously harmed by missing lunch...Missing lunch...what a huge sacrifice that is, hunger for Allah...Just how hungry is debatable since stuffing the face go's on after hours...

I wonder if Malman's happy wives will loot his purse for similar reasons as given in article...After all, there is nothing stopping him from taking a third or fourth wife except money...
Fasting & Feasting
written by Brown Superman , July 19, 2011
Fasting month but national food consumption doubles. With plenty of wastages.
wowowowowowowwwww....good one...straight strike of death into the heart of jihadislam
written by HARKAT UL JIHAD EI KAFIROON , July 19, 2011
wowowowowowowwwww....good one...straight strike of death into the heart of jihadislam
Mohammed has never taken the Month of Ramadan as Sacred
written by CLEMENT-THE ISLAM-WATCH PASTOR , July 19, 2011
The Month of Ramadan was a holy month of pagans.I this month they don't fight or do any hard work. It was in practise among the pagans before Islam. Mohammed adobted it for his personal gain and to impress the Jews whom he want model his religion after.

Mohammed took advantage of the pagan practise of no war during the month of Ramadan to robe them and stole their goods and attacked them unaware. It was his month of surprise attack.

So the author of this arcticle should not be surprised if the month has turned to be a month of feasting and partying. There is nothing sacracred about it. As usual mohammed only incorporate a pagan practise in his religion in so far it benefit him or make him richer.

There is an haddith that made him to claim superiority of taking his breakfast later in the day and break the fast earlier than the ordinary mortals just to be sure he does not stress himself unnecessarity with the Ramadan rubish. Somebody asked how can missing your lunch be regarded as fasting?

Oh how I wish people know the scam that is Islam.
So the Arabs say..
written by dead or alive , July 19, 2011
Do as we say ... not what we do. Duh,Malems heavy purse is hidden during Ramadan.
On second thought Duh..
written by dead or alive , July 19, 2011
Maybe Malem will be to busy serving his master Muslims,that he will be to tire to take on more wives.
written by dead or alive , July 19, 2011
More babies born in month of May than any month in Saudi.
Ramadan Moves
written by Chris , July 19, 2011
Author Mirza Ghalib and "dead or alive" missed the point that the Ramadan fasting month moves around the calendar because the Muslim calendar is about 11 days shorter than the solar calendar used by the rest of the world. The month of Ramadan moves around the calendar every 33 years. When Ramadan falls during the harvest season, farmers must harvest their crops by lamplight at night. How could such an "all knowing" Allah devise such an incoherent and irrational sacred rite?
written by dead or alive , July 19, 2011
Does Ramadan this year end on August 29 th?
Re: Chris
written by The Great Buana , July 19, 2011
I do not know exactly but I think that Ramadan has its origin in old arab so-called pagan rituals. The moon was very important in this ancient religion and thats why some christian fundamentalists still content that muslims are worshipping the moon god. But must also consider that the lunar calendar is also of important for women and their menstruation and that there is also a vagina made from silver built into the Kaaba - there is indeed very much very primitive thinking in islam. Unlike buddhists and christians and hindus, muslims have no interest at all in deeper philosphy, instead they are regarding the quran as some kind of a magic spell book and that we must not question anything at all from it. It is poor superstition I would say.
written by fineliving56 , July 19, 2011
Ramadan starts first of August this year and every year is later about 10 days or so ….people have to starve and dehydrate in days where the temperature reaches over a 110 degrees from 5 to almost 9 in the summer …in winter is little bit easier but it is pure torture ….
I did it every Ramadan like any muslim fool and I thought I was serving my body by starve it and all I did is miss up my metabolism, I do not do that any more I changed every thing including fasting.
I am not looking forward to this Ramadan,I have to endure all the annoying traditions with no rest ...the getting early to make sohoor, the hated Quranic singing like recitation we have to listen to, day and night ..it DRIVES ME ABSOLUTELY CRAZY …seriously ...I like to disappear to thin air and be left alone …but no ...it has to be stuffed down your ears, your eyes, your brain…

I cook all day every day for 30 days straight …well,...at least cooking,is not so bad.. I like cooking …I make the meanest stuffed grape leaves, stuffed zucchini, stuffed lamb and Walnut Baklava …sorry all vegetarians out there I know you hate meat…so far, I have never met a muslim vegetarian ..they all love their Halal lamb meat.

I have a question …so, if fasting in Saudi Arabia is from sun rise to sun set, which is about 12 hours and the reasons for fasting is to make people feel the same feeling poor hungry people feeling wish, in turn pushes people to feed them and make zaikai…that is fine..
My question is…what about Muslims in Alaska, the day light there,is only 2 hours long some times …what would a 2 hour fast would teach any Muslim???…I guess Allah never thought about the land IT created where there is no hardly any sun or these no sun for 6 months …ha..ha

Allah, only talked about the land where Muhammad lived and traveled ha..ha …that should tell us a lot about Allah …Allah knows about lands, only Muhammad have seen…HEMMMM…. I knew Allah is stupid but I really did not know it is THAT STUPID …:-)

@ fineliving56
written by Brown Superman , July 20, 2011
Sorry friend, Ramadan is about 10 days or so earlier every year and not later. That's because the islamic calendar is a lunartic one and not based on the sun calendar.

The allah knew little about starvation and dehydration. Why should the very poor people starve during this month when they do almost that throughout the year? Neither did Mo' know anything about dehydration. Medical doctors recommend sufficient consumption of water for the circulation system (which regulates body temperature, discharge of body toxins, etc) and for proper functioning of brain and all other body organs. What more with soaring summer temperatures.

Yes, allah had poor knowledge of geography. It is sometimes only 2 hours of day in Alaska and sometimes 24 hours for 6 months in the poles. How then? Anyway, has allah or its maker Mo' come out with the real reason for fasting, besides the crap we normally hear from ear-to-mouth Mussie?

Allah is stupid because, on one hand..... he was faked as such. On the other hand, allah is not stupid because he never exists(ed) at all.
As for Mo', he was stupid as he did not know how to fake one that seem genuine. But credit must be given to him for his attempt to create allah and use it to influence people, make an army, motivate for battles and rule his kingdom besides his swords.

BUT the real stupid ones are those who believe in Mo', the quran and ahadiths (the god ones only), the allah..... especially in the modern world of today. Until and unless the Mussies discard the camel dung in the head and start using the underutilised brain, things are not going to change for better.
written by Brown Superman , July 20, 2011
In my country (officially islamic) with about 50% being Mussies, Ramadan is grandly celebrated for a month followed by Shawal for another. They eat and eat before sunrise till the bellys bloat and after that they wait for the sunset time to break fast. In fact, varieties of food is already spread on a large table and they sit for almost half an hour waiting for the call broadcast on local radio/tv. Their saliva would have dripped down at least 10 times in that short wait. An hour or so later, they have another round - called dinner. The hotel (3 to 5 star rankings) advertise and serve the Breaking Fast menus. Politicians throw such gala-styles eating functions everywhere in the villages and voting constituencies. So do government departments for their staffs at taxpayers' expense. The contractors and suppliers please (in addition to the ususal under table transactions) sponsor the corrupt bureaucrats' fast breaking ceremonies. So, its food, food and more food every where.... including the garbage dump. Wastages to such extend and the national food consumption is up by almost 50% in that month.

But the Mussies proudly claim that fasting is about getting the real feel of the poor. The hardcore poor do not actually get enough to eat any balanced meal throughout the year, and why force them to fast in Ramadan too? If a non poor wants to experience the feelings of the real poor, then he/she should stop eating glutton just before sunrise, eat a little plain umbalanced meal either at breaking fast or for dinner, wear old/torn clothes, sleep on the floor or street corridors, no cosmetics/perfume, give up the luxurious transport, etc. Why does one want to experience the same ritual annually. Isn't a one time experience sufficient teacher or do Mussies have bad memory?

Islam is in fact making hypocrites of the followers. They are well disciplined during the fasting month of Ramadan. No smoking, swearing and cursing, foul-mouthing, no gambling, no adultry or fornications, no bribes and corruptions taking (I presume so) and whateven vices and bad social behaviour. The other 11 months are in the total opposite.

Islam is making them become lazy in the daily work. They refuse to go to he fields, refuse to do an honest day's work, pass a bulk of work to the non-muslim colleagues, scoot off early from office and even schoold. There is a heavy drom in productivity. Isn't work the best form of worship?
written by Malem , July 20, 2011
Ramadan and fasting are not done just for those who never have to hunger or thirst and then made personally aware of the plight of the underprivileged. However this does evokes a degree of social consciousness. Through fasting, one demonstrates the highest degree of obedience by willfully submitting to abstaining from lawful food, drink, and sexual relations from sunrise to sunset one month every year. This regimentation is an excellent means for spiritual and moral improvement. In addition man comes to grip with his carnal self, taming his physical appetites, subduing his greed and lust, and walking the path which progressively elevates his consciousness from the physical to the moral and ultimately to the spiritual dimension of his being. The experience each year is done not because people forget but rather as a submission to Allah who has directed it be so. If you think that is because Muslims forget you would need to apply that same foolish logic to Christians who celebrate lent, Jws who celebrate Passover etc.

Malman burps...
written by duh_swami , July 20, 2011
You don't seem to know much about fasting...Missing lunch is not fasting...It is a fact that fasting has some beneficial effects, but they don't kick in until three days of no food or drink...It takes that long, at least, to get over hunger and the desire for food...The reasons Muslims eat at dusk and dawn is because they have not overcome the desire for food...
It's not a good idea to dehydrate for too long while fasting...some people fast by taking a little water or juice...One benefit of longer fasting is it produces a better clarity of mind...You don't get this by missing lunch...The higher obedience would be to fast at least a week...If a little fasting is good for you, a week would be great...
I have fasted numerous times, the longest eleven days, never less than four...
Islamic Fasting is Irresponsible
written by The Great Buana , July 20, 2011
Every year many people are fainting because of the fasting, and it is simply bad for ones health not to drink. There are also people dying every year not only because they fast, but also because many services are not available. Really bad is also the economic impact. Who would build a factory in a country where nobody works for a whole month while others are only pretending to work? However, the worst thing is that all people are more or less forced to take part in this nonsense or have to suffer from the halt of the economy . Ramadan is only good for all the lazy skunks, the scribes and the likes, sharlatans who call themselves scholars.
written by Reed Wilson , July 20, 2011
Fasting is required by quran and whatever is required by quran is beneficial to human kind. It is a bullshit that fasting is bad for your health. On the contrary it cures many diseases like diabetes, bloodpressure and heart disease by detoxifieing you, giving a break to your digestive system and reducing your weight. It is also bullshit that fasts make a man lazy; on the contrary empty stomach makes a man alert and active while a full stomach makes a man lazy and sleepy.
Want a real experience?
written by dead or alive , July 20, 2011
do not sleep for 2 or 3 days and fast for 3 days.It is another world.Been there.
That is so wrong
written by fineliving56 , July 20, 2011
Diabetic people can not fast because they have to regulate their blood glucose …
people with migraine headaches can not fast as well for the hunger will trigger a 48 hour of hell …

they might try to fast but they risk ending up in a hospital ..it happened to so many people I have known back home …

it might be good to fast for healthy people …it would be stupid to make diabetic people, starve and dehydrate for the stupid reason of fallowing a stupid religious tradition .

Like I said I messed up my metabolism by fasting not just ramadan, I did it every once a while with only water for 2 days to lose weight with exercise 1 hour , 5 times a weak and I did lose weight , but as time passes your body will have to guard its fat calories and store them for the fasting days that it is being made to go through so when the food does come, it will panic and store most of it and it will hardly burn. that is why it will be impossible to lose weight especially for women …of course with exercise it helps but not everyone can exercise .

I do liquid body cleansing …it will keep the body hydrated and nourished with out the heavy food and it does clear mind and body …it is smart way of cleaning ….not fasting 12 hours and then eat every dish on the planet ..eating 5 small meals a day is better then eating 3 meals. it will keep body sugar leveled so we do not over eat when we do eat .

Muhammad when he copied the pagan and ordered fasting in his Quran did not know about these facts.
written by duh_swami , July 20, 2011
It is a bullshit that fasting is bad for your health.

Well genius it depends on how long you fast, and how you go about it...Obviously fasting for too long can kill you...I suppose dying is bad for your health...

When did you start using profanity?

Fasting does not cure diabetes or anything else, but it does detoxify if you do it for four days or more...If you don't do it that long, you are just missing a few meals and will get no beneficial effects...And to get the best benefit you need to fast periodically on some kind of schedule...The Ramadan method as ordered by Allah cures nothing...and can hardly be called fasting...
Brown superman
written by fineliving56 , July 20, 2011
You are right it is 10 days earlier not after ..thanks
When I was talking about ...Allah here ...Allah there …It is my sarcastic way of describing an unGodly like teaching of Allah which only fits for the cave man …To me Allah is Muhammad ..two sides of the same coin ….it is so clear it cannot be anything else.

I like your description of Ramadan days…it is the same back home …the really ugly thing, is ,with fasting ,tempers flares to the point of fist fights between men …they become so hot headed from abstaining from every thing including cigarettes [ wish I like] …some times it becomes unbearably hard to be around them.
I feel for the non Muslims who live around them and have to deal with them ..it is not easy.
written by Brown Superman , July 20, 2011
Fasting amongst Christians and Jews are not out of compulsion but out of their personal preference where else Muslims's fast is the opposite. We have police raids leading to criminal convictions for those caught eating..... eevn those manuals working in the fields under the hot sun. Doors and windows are shut air-tight to avoid neighbours and passer-bys knowing that someone is having a meal. People are looked down upon if known to eat or take a sip. What social consiousness can be evoked when the basic concepts are based on wrong foundations?

Sleeping like a log after a pre-dusk feasting isn't fasting. It is like a python at rest after swallowing a goat or a hog. If the Mussie has overcome the desire for food, he or she would not be waiting like a vulture for the next alowed meal. One can tell by the speed the glutton is rushed into the throat. If islam is nat a faked religion, t would have taught the right conducts.

In reality, tempers flare high, laziness and lethargy set in, swearing at non-fasters, not giving up on other pleasurable luxuries, etc, etc do not demonstrate much of good ideals. Is Ramadan fasting only about food, dring and sex? If taming is for only one month, what about the other time of the (shorter)year? Can do anything and everything without tame? Does a tamed one need annual taming? Why live decent only for one-twelveth year?

It is bullshit to say fasting is good for health. It will be a joke of the millennium if fasting cures diabetes, blood pressure and heart diseases. These are the major diseases of the world. Not only medical bills will be low (no medicines prescribed) but food bills should also be low. And that Mussies do not suffer from these diseases anymore as thay fast. What a crap talk! If empty stomach keeps one alert and active, how about doing that for 24 hours and 354 (islamic) days of the year? Goes to show Mo', his made allah and all the blind followers know next to nothing about nutrition and health.

Mussies fast because some dumb book requires them to. They have no access to information other than that one book published, printed and distributed from allah's seven heavens. No thinking allowed, No questioning allowed except for questions like how to fast. Probably, these Mussies were handed a brain each in the abbatoir.
written by The Great Buana , July 21, 2011
Islamic Fasting is no real fasting. Islamic Fasting means to eat during the night as much as one wants and the people really eat much more. Moreover it is not only useless but also bad for health and even dangerous not to drink. Every doctor says that it is necessary to drink much water every day. Since water does not contain any nutrition or calories, it makes absolutely no sense not to drink. It takes also too much efforts for many people, only a minority can fast. The real meaning of islamic fasting is to force all people to perform it and to control the people and to enforce islam on everybody. It means to drag all innocent people into this useless cult.
written by ekenic , July 21, 2011
.Ravi Zacharias makes a profound observation. He notes that legalism always breeds compliance over purpose –they just shift food consumption from the day to the night.
It is not fasting as Jesus practised. He taught his followers to fast in private so God only see the heart. Islam does the opposite.
To Reed Wilson
written by Archpagan , July 21, 2011
How should a Muslim fast in Greenland where day and the night are of six months duration? Fasting has no detoxifying effect on the body. Rather, continued fasting disturbs metabolic cycle leading to constitutional diseases e. g. diabetics and hypertension.
written by duh_swami , July 21, 2011
Fasting has no detoxifying effect on the body.

Fasting does not stop the elimination of body waste...If you are not taking in, and are cleaning your insides by elimination, then that is a type of detoxifying...Books have been written on theses subjects...

I'm not sure there are any studies done on the effects of fasting causing diabetes... Diabetes is caused by the pancreas inability to produce insulin to digest sugars...Sometimes it is inherited... Hyperglycemia is when there is too much insulin produced, and Hypoglycemia is not enough...I'm not sure there is any damage done to the pancreas, by frequent fasting...However there is a connection between blood sugar levels and behavior...It's possible fasting may effect that...
Anyway there is responsible fasting, and there is reckless fasting, it is the reckless who are most likely to get into trouble...
Detoxification is only Superstition and Hype - Muslim Countries are leaders in Diabetes!
written by Ther Great Buana , July 21, 2011
Detoxification is a superstitious invention by religions and a Hype by modern commercial Spas. Humans and animals have their metabolisms based and there is no need to fast in order to take the waste away. What waste?

On the other hand it should be told here that muslim countries are world leaders (except Nauru a small island in the pacific) in terms of diabetes rates. Gulf countries have the highest diabetes rates, but even poorer countries such as Egypt are already reaching the levels of rich western countries. Obesity is also a problem where muslims are leading and I am quite sure that this has to do with islamic habits such as veiling, arranged marriages and the restrictions on women not to move outside or to do sports. Islamic laws on haram and halal food is also of no good influence here. Squid has no fat and is very good for health but haram just like other mollusces. Fat is in fact no restricted at all and muslims are eating sweets and chocolates even in Ramadan as if there were no tomorrow. This shows how stupid it is to force all people to join the fastings. Islam does not care what people really believe. It is only about forcing everybody to submit.

And yes, Reed, you used the word bullshit maybe the first time I notced that. Maybe you are knowing in your heart how useless Ramadan is? You just dont have the guts to admit it.
written by Cerebrum123 , July 21, 2011
Fasting should be an individual's act in trying to come closer to God ,not some kind of starving yourself during the day then going on a binge as soon as the sun goes down. Islam is all about rituals and regulations though so there's not much of an understanding about having a relationship with God. In fact the entire idea of a loving God ,and having a relationship is foreign to Islam. The regulations in the Quran on the fasting during Ramadan was obviously NOT taken in consideration for a lot of different people. Imagine how bad it is for people who are already sick. The Quran describes Allah as compassionate ,but I do not see this actually shown anywhere in the Quran or any other Islamic text for that matter.
Great Buana
written by fineliving56 , July 21, 2011
Yes …middle eastern people have the highest incidence of diabetes …almost My whole family has it … my parents, grandparents [except my one Greek grandmother who lived to be 95 with no health problems] uncles, and my many cousins males and females and one sister . They are not at all over weight ….My doctors gave me the highest rates of have it …I said I will not let my self get it through diet and exercise, so I did and so far so good …it shows, some times, it does not matter what we are born with, what matters is, what we do with what we are born with…..
written by Brown Superman , July 21, 2011
Was it Dr Wilson who said that fasting cures diabetes, blood pressure and heart diseases?

It is like saying Cancer cures Smoking addiction because those cancer striken smokers no longer exists and therefore no smoking.

Who has no Diabetes?
written by Ther Great Buana , July 21, 2011
The lowest incident rates of diabetes in the industrialised world can be found in the Far Eastern countries such as Japan and South Korea, with almost zero muslim populations and they eat very much fish and mollusces such as squid as well as crabs and lobsters which is forbidden according to some islamic scholars. And even a fish or any other halal animal is forbidden if he or she has the name of a forbidden animal in its name such as a porkfish.
written by Reed Wilson. , July 21, 2011
Arsh. You shook me for a while. Not for ‘how should a Muslim fast in Greenland’ but I was also under the impression that fast had bearing on setting of sun. Quran says about span of fast:

“….eat and drink until the white thread becomes distinct to you from the black thread at dawn – then complete the fast till nightfall; and do not touch women while staying in seclusion for worship in the mosques; these are the limits imposed by Allah, so do not go near them; this is how Allah has explained His verses to mankind so that they may attain piety. (2:187)

You are justified in asking and me getting confused as hadis gives similar impression that setting of sun was a condition for end of fast. Normally people have same views.
Greenland is sparsely populated. The capital has abt. 15000 people. I didn’t visit but in all neighboring Scandinavian countries we have nights and nocturnal activities. Sun is seen as moon.

The fajar slat in Denmark these days is at 3.16 am and maghrib at 10.44 pm

You write “Fasting has no detoxifying effect on the body. Rather, continued fasting disturbs metabolic cycle leading to constitutional diseases e. g. diabetics and hypertension”.

Those who advocate like that suffer from inferiority complex. God has himself given the logic:

“Fasting is made compulsory for you, like it was ordained for other people before you, so that you may get disciplined. For a certain number of days only; so whoever is sick among you, or on a journey, the same number in other days; and those who do not have the strength for it must give a redemption by feeding a needy person; so whoever increases the good of his own accord, it is better for him; and fasting is better for you, if you know”. (2:183-84)

Thank you Archpagan for considering me for such question ,

written by Reed Wilson. , July 21, 2011
The Great Buana "And yes, Reed, you used the word bullshit maybe the first time I noticed that".

duhswami "When did you start using profanity?

Brown Superman. " Was it Dr Wilson who said that fasting cures diabetes, blood pressure and heart diseases?

Gentlemen that post of 20th was not mine. Someone, inadvertently put RW in name box. It was NOT Dr. Wilson Mr. Superman.

Please see my post for Mr. Archpagan which also answers your questions.
Ramadans meaning
written by Malem , July 21, 2011
Ramadan fasting is good for you, as I explained above. Those who are sick etc.. are not forced to fast at all, other ways of dedicating yourself during this beautiful period are available. Also it is a time to reconnect with relatives, friends and family maybe that you have not seen in a while. There is nothing more spiritual than breaking the fast with the warmth of family and friends around. You ARE NOT required to gorge yourself, that would irresponsible but rather drink some juice, then ease into your meal, always being sure that you have donated an equal amount to those who are unable to do so. it is not about some detox program it is about a spiritual cleansing, and bringing you closer to Allah. Even kids benefit, mine have been doing it since they were 10 years old and they are better for it
ha...ha...Sun...moon...who cares....right Quran lover???
written by fineliving56 , July 21, 2011
what is the difference between the two,...huh... one will replace the other when need it and when Allah FAILED TO PROVIDE A SOLUTION TO THAT PROBLEM LIKE THE ONE, WHERE ,THE SUN DOES NOT COME UP FOR 6 MONTH AND PEOPLE DO NOT HOW TO FAST WHEN THERE IS NO SUN TO CAME UP AND NO SUN TO COME DOWN ........so the moon will do.....HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA ....so we make do of what we GOT ...hahahah ...

To me that is the joke of the day ....I am still laughing.... I swear reading here, diffidently is a stress reliever....

keep it up ....find other things in Quran that Allah forgot to say and you guys just compromise to fix it to do the stupid bidding.

Your Allah is too stupid to realize his gigantic MISTAKE .

WHY CAN'T YOU???????????????????????

Malman misses lunch
written by duh_swami , July 21, 2011
Ramadan fasting is good for you, as I explained above.

No it's not, it's only good for Muslims and even that is debatable...

Fasting Ramadan style has no positive effect, it also has no negative effect...so it has no effect at all...Your description does not speak for all Muslims, many who practice gluttony the rest of the year...I don't see anything wrong with Ramadan fasting other than it is not really fasting...so it's misnamed...You can call missing lunch fasting, but it is a misuse of the word...
written by fineliving56 , July 21, 2011
Making 10 years old kids starve and dehydrate from sun rise to sun set in these heat is a crime and child abuse and should reported and the parents should be JAILD for it …

Muslims are complete idiots ….not only they admit they marry many wives on the internet to be the joke of every one …they admit starving children too in the name of the sick…sick…religion …….really ….they do not deserve children .
Reed & Malem
written by Tim Halley , July 22, 2011
Reed/Malem, if fasting is prescribed to Muslims and they practice it, it is fine. However, how do you account for the lack of productivity in Muslim countries during Ramadan? Muslims take meals in the evening after sunset and fast throughout the day. Due to festive activities at night they tend to sleep at work. Isn't it a loss to State's revenue? What is the remedy according to Quran? Does it prescribe Muslims to loot kuffir's properties to make up for the loss during Ramadan?
written by Tim Halley , July 22, 2011
Reed/Malem, I have worked in a Muslim country for 4 years and have the first hand experience of the working conditions during Ramadan. To me it is the most non-productive season. Any productivity is mainly due to Kuffir workers.

Believe me, when oil resources are depleted by the middle of this century the Arab world will be devastated and will have no one to help them. No amount of fasting will help them.
Your Hate will Take u to Dirtiest Hell.
written by FAIROZ , July 22, 2011
Repent and ask forgivness allah may forgive u, more hatred seems to coming from non-muslims folks, who is spreading hatred, muslims or non.
if Allah Says Punishment for Sinners whats is wrong in that, even bible says that, why dont u say that to Jesus ,

MARK 9:42
And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck.

Jesus telling u to cut your own hand for doing sins.
MARK 9:43
If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.

so repent and ask forgiveness.

written by CLEMENT-THE ISLAM-WATCH PASTOR , July 22, 2011
Jesus said you should cut off yourself not someone else. Not Mullahs or Imams or Jihadist to do it for you. Don't come here and misquote Bible in order to deceive innocent people here.
written by Malem , July 22, 2011
What kids are starving and dehydrating in the sun? What do you think they are in the desert in a tent? It builds character and if you think about it, when they sleep from 8pm to 6am that is 10 hours right there and nothing happened. Fasting is not harmful if done correctly, it is those that dont know how to do it that mess up.

Tim Halley, so I guess the month that many European countries take off in the summer is better? Production does not slow in my country, rather people are more focused on the task at hand.
Malman...what country is your country?
written by duh_swami , July 22, 2011
Fasting is not harmful if done correctly, it is those that dont know how to do it that mess up.

Well, we can agree on that...but still, missing lunch is not really fasting.
That it is good for children who are basically forced, or coached, into doing it is a different matter...Your children may be Muslims by birth, but they are still children...Children should get to be children and not forced or encouraged to engage in adult activities...A Muslim in the US was arrested and convicted of child abuse and child endangerment (laws usually missing in Islamic countries)...He forced his two 9/10 year old sons to participate in the family Ashura festival in his back yard....He forced them to cut themselves...and got himself arrested...
Fasting during Ramadan is not brutal, but it is another example why children should be exempt from most adult activities...
I realize that children born into Islam are brainwashed from birth into the ways of Allah...
They have no way of knowing they are being brainwashed, so what they have been taught is just the way it is...until they grow up and realize they have been lied to their entire lives...or at least some of them do...The enlightened Muslim is an apostate...Good parenting guides, it does not force or brainwash...Of course this mal treatment of children goes on in more places than just Islam...but it is wrong headed and anti-child wherever it exists...
Aha.... here comes the chief diarrhoeaist.
written by Brown Superman , July 22, 2011
Here comes Fairoz with his buccal diarrhoea. Neither would he understand what is being said nor would he get off the merry-go-round repeating stuffs that are unproven. Of course we can pardon him for low IQ and poor grammar but what about the barbaric statements made like Allah said this, allah said that, .... not being able to know that it was Mo' who said this and that but pointed the finger at the (non-existent) allah.

Nobody needs forgiveness from the faked allah. Mussies love themselves..... is that why there are killing themselves in all the MONKEYSTAN countries? And the Mussies go to the cleanest hell, while the nons go to the dirtiest hell.

Fairoz, what is wrong with your allah? I only see the Mussies screaming here and there about repent, punishment etc but your allah is silent. Is it a mute too or asleep. Enough of lies from the faked book, please tell something true from history and verifiable.
written by Cerebrum123 , July 22, 2011
I notice that many Muslims just scream threats and run away. If I was a Muslim ,and I really thought other people were going to go to hell for being against Mohammed and Allah ,then I personally would be trying to lead these people to what I believed to be the truth. I see this lack of love on nearly every site I go to that deals with Islam ,even the one's run by Muslims. It's all threats an hate when Allah is supposed to be merciful ,and compassionate. If he really was so compassionate ,and Mohammed was such a perfect example then shouldn't their followers at least be trying to act loving and compassionate?
written by Reed Wilson. , July 22, 2011
Reed & Malem
written by Tim Halley “Reed/Malem, if fasting is prescribed to Muslims and they practice it, it is fine. However, how do you account for the lack of productivity in Muslim countries during Ramadan?
I am not to justify God’s orders. Fasting is prescribed for disciplining according to Quran.
You write “Due to festive activities at night they tend to sleep at work. Isn't it a loss to State's revenue?
Festive activities at nights are not prescribed. Fasting too is conditional and optional.
“What is the remedy according to Quran?
Remedy for what?
Does it prescribe Muslims to loot kefir’s properties to make up for the loss during Ramadan?
No it does not.
“Reed/Malem, I have worked in a Muslim country for 4 years and have the first hand experience of the working conditions during Ramadan. To me it is the most non-productive season”.
How Tim? The plants are growing as usual, layers are laying eggs. Crops have no effect of fasting. Diary cattle are giving milk. Machines have same efficiency in fasting. Computers function as per program. What stops?
“Believe me, when oil resources are depleted by the middle of this century the Arab world will be devastated and will have no one to help them. No amount of fasting will help them”.
They were oilless hundred years back. Development of technology may render oil redundant.
You will invent some alternatives for them. God has made everything at our disposal. We have to explore or else, suffer!!
To Reed Wilson
written by Archpagan , July 22, 2011
You are the only Alim in this world I know, so, I had to put that question to you. In the past too I inquire of you where to hit my wife.

BTW, what is your opinion about Allah's wrath on infidels in Oslo, a faraway city from Allah's abode in Mecca.
written by fineliving56 , July 22, 2011
I tell you Archpagan where to hit your wife the Islamic style …

you take your leather belt and hold it from the buckle side so you do not make holes on her thighs because, you still need them …

Or you grab her from her hair and drag her all over the house while your
daughters are watching …it good idea to teach them what would happen to them if they disobey there husbands.

Oh…and the good old ….pick her up and through her across the room but try not to let her land on something sharp ….you do want to kill her …it is only allowed to kill her if she was caught cheating .

You can lock her in a room for a day with no food…that really works to reduce her to a shell of a women …:(

Oh….oh…oh... how could I forget the pest way to just destroy every thing inside of her... …after she slave for hours on you dinner , to put her in her place …just put your foot on the side of the table and flip the hall thing against the wall and make her spend the half the night cleaning the da*n mess …but she can not do it because, she is already a basket case …so the girls have to do just to try to keep peace [ what a joke].

Archpagan ….this few samples of the many ways you could put a disobeying little Muslim wife in her place …

and what should you care about her feelings Quran /Allah//Muhammad ORDERD YOU TO BEAT YOUR WIFE with out specifically elaborating on the techniques of how to beat her …right ????…all it said …is beat her ….SO BEAT HER …Allah left it to your liking …OK…. IF YOU ARE PLANING TO BE A GOD DA*N GOOD MUSLIM MAN ……OK .

btw….no offense …I am sure you understood my sarcasm ….I do not Know you but I only could defined you from your posts and they tell me you are good man

I am waiting of the destruction of Islam ….do you think we will see it in our life time before we leave this earth ??????

I hope so

I forgot to add
written by fineliving56 , July 23, 2011
You take your belt and lash her with it until it leaves wilts ….

it does not mater how many …just enough to crush her …avoid the face ….after all hadeeth advised you to do that because it might her face …

…Hahahahahahah…..laughing might help lighting this painting I painted for you ….

but too bad it happens in so many muslim homes with no help from anyone one …

not even from Allah …

not one preyer from these children was answered ….Allah must have been busy beating his wives….

becoming an ex Muslim is to keep sane .

written by FAIROz , July 23, 2011
i think u did not understood what i said,. if islam says cut hands of thief that does not goes below your throat, but if jesus himself says cut hands legs tongues if they do sin, that is noble for u , how is it noble i am asking?

anyhow when sharia says cut off the hands of thief, it is not very much different from what jesus christ said "cut ur hands". u dont even think of following any prophets but we practice it in real life.
written by Dwito , July 23, 2011
That's the main reason Fairoz. You are chained to stagnancy. you can't change with time to fit with nature's first condition of evolution. that's why you will be exterminated, and none by others. but from inside. stop searching enemies for your discomfort in this existence.
written by FAIROZ , July 23, 2011
hmmmm. you right sinners would change the religion, continue with crimes, and stay forever happy saying our religion allows us this that. hahahaha. dont worry sinners wont have a place to hide when god comes to catch, u change the book or dont believe , its coming one day
FAIROZ my boy...
written by duh_swami , July 23, 2011
but if jesus himself says cut hands legs tongues if they do sin, that is noble for u , how is it noble i am asking?

Anyone who thinks it's fine to cut up other people, is a depraved lunatic and should be locked away so they can't hurt anyone...This applies to Quran believers as well as kuffar...
If you FAIROZ think it is just fine to do this because Quran says so, you should be locked up...You are too dangerous to be left running around loose...If you do not think this cutting and amputating is good, you are opposing Allah...
Maybe you should apostate before Allah finds out where you are...

Bravo, Fineliving!
written by Kafirwala , July 23, 2011

Fineliving is fast becoming a fine satirist. I like her sarcasm. But, what is its effect on Reed Wilson, Malem and the budding young star in the Taqiya firmament Fairoz? They are apparently nonchalant. Allah in his mighty wisdom, has given them very thick skin! May their tribe increase!
written by Dwito , July 23, 2011
My dear Fairoz, we do change, like everything in this universe, but don't destroy the old golds to deny them. that was required by your old father Uthmann. He had to burn Allah's Quoran to sell his filthy novel, Allah knows where he had hide his certificate of permission to do so!
You called me sinner! Earlier you warned Clement and Brown not to use vulgar words, shouldn't you behave yourself before you preach? Or it's your birth right to misbehave with all and get honoured!
What makes you think we are looking for cover? We are not Mohammedan to hide under veils(different sorts) to cheat. We are not born criminals, little boy. Besides we have our own God, older then your blood hungry Allah. So Afterwards, your Allah will have to hide from us.
written by Reed Wilson , July 23, 2011
Dwito. "Besides we have our own God".

I am so very happy to know that. How is he? What he expects yo u to do? I give you a good news:

"Surely the believers and the Jews, Christians and the converts, whoever believes in God and the Last Day, and whosoever does right, shall have his reward with his Lord and will neither have fear nor regret. (2:62)
written by Reed Wilson , July 23, 2011
Mr. Kafirwala. "May their tribe increase! Thanks. Your prayer was accepted. Mr. Dwito writes ."Besides we have our own God. His god cannot be different if he is God. My tribe increased!
Reed, beware 2:62
written by duh_swami , July 23, 2011
(2:62)...Allah threatens...What happens to a person who does not believe in Allah and the last days, and fails to do what Allah thinks is right?
Do they get to keep their fear and regret?
This is just another 'believe or else' threat, found scattered through both the Quran and the Bible...If you don't believe, you will be punished...Allah is a thought policeman, he knows how to get your 'mind right'...There is a movie called 'Cool Hand Luke'...Luke didn't like prison life and the guards did not like him...They put him in a box outside in the hot sun, no food or water, no window, no ventilation...They left him there for three days...When the they let him out, the Boss guard asked 'Is your mind right now'? Luke answered 'Yes sir, my mind is right'...
Allah want's you to get your mind right, if you don't, he will put you back in the box...That's the real meaning of 2:62...
written by Reed , July 23, 2011
Clement. "And the man who steals and the woman who steals, cut off their hands as a punishment for what they have earned, an exemplary punishment from Allah; and Allah is Mighty, Wise. But whoever repents after his iniquity and reforms , then surely Allah will turn to him; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (Quran 5:39)

Forgiving is ignored by sharia people. Exemplary punishments in scriptures are deterrent and I think, needed for discipline.

Matthew 15:4.For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’[a] and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.

Matthew 5:27-30 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

It should not be mistaken that bible suggests killing of anyone who curses their father or mother and cut off hand and gouge eyes.
written by Reed Wilson , July 23, 2011
To duh_swami ,"Reed, beware 2:62"

Thank you duh. I am careful.
written by Reed Wilson , July 23, 2011
Archpagan. BTW, what is your opinion about Allah's wrath on infidels in Oslo, a faraway city from Allah's abode in Mecca?

An infidel (literally "one without faith") is one who has no religious beliefs, or who doubts or rejects the central tenets of a particular religion - especially in reference to Christianity or Islam.[1][2][3]

Infidel is an ecclesiastical term in Christianity around which the Church developed a body of theology that deals with the concept of infidelity; which makes a clear differentiation between those who were baptized and followed the teachings of the Church vs. those who are outside the faith.[4] The term infidel was used by Christians to describe non-Christians or those perceived as the enemies of Christianity. The usage of the term for non-Christian monotheists distinguishes the term from heathen or pagan.[5] As such, the term infidel has often been applied to atheists, whose disbelief is viewed negatively by both Christianity and Islam.[6][7][8]

After the ancient world the concept of otherness, an exclusionary notion of the outside by societies with more or less coherent cultural boundaries, became associated with the development of the monotheistic and prophetic religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. The conception of infidelity as a theological condition is a result of their strict conformity to monotheism, as well as their rejection and condemnation of pagan rites.[4]
written by dead or alive , July 23, 2011
Thats getting close to the,The Pope and Mohammad.Reed
RW & Co.
written by Kafirwala , July 24, 2011

What the ace taquiyists RW and Malem and the upcoming taquist Fairoz are engaged in these columns is obfuscation. Their favorite game is deception and distortion of facts. Latest in the array of their exercise is the definition given by RW to the word 'infidel'. Everybody knows its word meaning. But, infidel in these columns is used as the English equivalent of the Arabic words 'kafir' in singular and 'kuffar' in plural. But he purposefully chose to ignore this fact and tries to create confusion. May be christianity has coined the concept of infidel, but they don't kill the infidels. As far as I know, christianity does not categorise infidels as enemies of God either. Only Islam abhors infidels and considers them as vilest of animals. ( In fact, Allah holds patent of the usage, vilest of animals). RW deliberately hides these facts and as usual unnecessarily brings in christianity and tries to deceive the gullible.
Reed nose dives...
written by duh_swami , July 24, 2011
Thank you duh. I am careful.

Then you must agree that my interpretation of 2:62 was correct, that it is more of a threat than a promise of reward...
But you erroneously championed it as 'good news'...
How can the threat of punishment be 'good news'?
written by Dwito , July 24, 2011
I am so very happy to know that. How is he? What he expects yo u to do?I give you a good news: ...........
What Reed, what did you tell! Allah admits this? The existence of other Gods? How? Did He create them? When? Where? And where has He left them? Why?

And Reed, I’m more scared of you personally! Do you know what did you do? You expressed interest in non-(Allah) believers’ God? Don’t you know how serious and unforgivable offence is this? How Allah determines skeptics’ fait? More ever, Allah is merciful only to the condition that all mis-actions must be for His (alias his father Mo’s) interest only! Are you sure your misact is complying with this rule?
I can’t think any more! I’m hearing my best friend’s scream from an unknown destination under unlimited scale of terrible torture for eternity, and that’s also for this childish curiosity! Horrible! Horrible!
Almost Ramadan!!!
written by Malem , July 26, 2011
Its nearly here, family is ready, kids are ready, we are excited about experiencing Ramadan Together. How great is it to see your young ones as they express their deepest gratitude to Allah, it is a beautiful thing.
written by Reed Wilson. , July 26, 2011
Dwito. "What Reed, what did you tell! Allah admits this? The existence of other Gods? How? Did He create them? When? Where? And where has He left them? Why?

If he is God, he is he same whom I know.

Now hurry up with my answers.
written by duh_swami , July 27, 2011
How great is it to see your young ones as they express their deepest gratitude to Allah, it is a beautiful thing.

Beauty to some, child abuse to others...There's a name for that, it's called brainwashing...Allah really likes brainwashed children, they make good jihadi's and suicide bombers when they get old enough...
written by Malem , July 27, 2011
Ha ha, spacing meals is child abuse? You are such fool little one, there is no brainwashing (in your case that would be easy as you could just wash your backside :)). The rest of your comments are predictable as you say them over and over and over, gets boring after a while. Should we save a plate at the tabe for you during our first meal when we break fast? or will you be eating with your doggy again? Let me know so that I can plan. Getting ready to go shopping for Ramadan, to purchase food items and clothing for those who cannot afford them. i know that giving and helping is foreign to you, but you shall learn about it if you would only start reading.
written by Dwito , July 27, 2011
If he is God, he is he same whom I know.
So all Gods are same? Then why your brethren hate all others and why Allah too encouraged that, sir?

And if He be the He whom you know, why do you ask me?
written by Reed Wilson. , July 28, 2011
To Malem. You write "Its nearly here, family is ready, kids are ready, we are excited about experiencing Ramadan Together".

I dont know if there is anything exciting there. Hadisophyllics, which I think you are not believe that shiateenare chained and deeds carry bonus etc during the month. I know only this significance that we have to fast.

I know that logic for fasting is given as disciplining.

"How great is it to see your young ones as they express their deepest gratitude to Allah, it is a beautiful thing."

The 'deepest gratitude to Allah' is required round the year. The kids are not required to fast.

You may like to prick Mr.Swami but it may not be giving wrong message attributed to Allah.
@ Mal
written by Brown Superman , July 28, 2011
How about the kids expressing the gratitude all 12 months instead of 1/12 a year?

If such spacing meals is not child abuse, how about keeping that schedule a permanent feature for your kids and preaching the same to all mussie families. May be you will turn out to be another Mo' or even better than that evil man.
Malman falls down...
written by duh_swami , July 28, 2011
Ha ha, spacing meals is child abuse?

No, what is child abuse is filling their heads with lies, taking unfair advantage of their innocence to force adult delusions on them...To convince children that evil is good and good is evil is a vile form of child abuse...But what do we expect from an adult who also is brainwashed with evil since birth, than to pass the brainwashing on to their children...
written by Reed Wilson. , July 28, 2011
duh_swami. You have built your above post on wrong assumption that children were also required to fast according to Quran. The kids are not required to fast.

Fasting is optional even for adults. Quran says:

"Fasting is for counted days, but if someone is ill or is traveling the should complete the number of days he had missed; and those who find it hard to fast should expiate by feeding a poor person. For the good they do with a little hardship is better for you. And if you fast it is good for you, if you knew". (2:184)

أَيَّامًا مَّعْدُودَاتٍ ۚ فَمَن كَانَ مِنكُم مَّرِيضًا أَوْ عَلَىٰ سَفَرٍ فَعِدَّةٌ مِّنْ أَيَّامٍ أُخَرَ ۚ وَعَلَى الَّذِينَ يُطِيقُونَهُ فِدْيَةٌ طَعَامُ مِسْكِينٍ ۖ فَمَن تَطَوَّعَ خَيْرًا فَهُوَ خَيْرٌ لَّهُ ۚ وَأَن تَصُومُوا خَيْرٌ لَّكُمْ ۖ إِن كُنتُمْ تَعْلَمُونَ

Reed builds a case from nothing
written by duh_swami , July 28, 2011
duh_swami. You have built your above post on wrong assumption that children were also required to fast according to Quran.

No I didn't, I didn't mention Quran...
written by Malem , July 28, 2011
Duh, because of your threats on the other post, you are no longer allowed to chat with the adults.

Reed, define children before you judge. 10 yrs old is well old enough to fast during the day. In fact Allah is given praise all year round in my homes, and this is a special part of year were even more people do the same.
Malman lies, soils pants...
written by duh_swami , July 28, 2011
Duh, because of your threats on the other post, you are no longer allowed to chat with the adults.

Itemize those threats or get out of town liar thug...

'Reed, define children before you judge. 10 yrs old is well old enough to fast during the day'.

Ten years old is still a child, they are obviously not adults......The issue I present is not about fasting it is about adults brainwashing children...But I bet you know all about that since you are doing it...
written by Reed Wilson. , July 31, 2011
duh_swami. "Reed, define children before you judge. 10 yrs old is well old enough to fast during the day".

I will not define. Normally Gods instructions are meant for grown up prudent people. At one place I find age in Quran. I give here:

I have instructed the humans to be kind to his parents; mother bore with hardship and delivered while suffering a great deal of pain. The period in which the mother bore and weaned him lasted for thirty months.

When grew-up to strenth and became forty years old, then said, "Lord, inspire me to give You thanks for the bounties you have granted to me and my parents, and to act righteously to please You. Lord, make my offspring virtuous. Lord I turn to you in repentance; I am a Muslim". (46:15)

وَوَصَّيْنَا الْإِنسَانَ بِوَالِدَيْهِ إِحْسَانًا ۖ حَمَلَتْهُ أُمُّهُ كُرْهًا وَوَضَعَتْهُ كُرْهًا ۖ وَحَمْلُهُ وَفِصَالُهُ ثَلَاثُونَ شَهْرًا ۚ حَتَّىٰ إِذَا بَلَغَ أَشُدَّهُ وَبَلَغَ أَرْبَعِينَ سَنَةً قَالَ رَبِّ أَوْزِعْنِي أَنْ أَشْكُرَ نِعْمَتَكَ الَّتِي أَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيَّ وَعَلَىٰ وَالِدَيَّ وَأَنْ أَعْمَلَ صَالِحًا تَرْضَاهُ وَأَصْلِحْ لِي فِي ذُرِّيَّتِي ۖ إِنِّي تُبْتُ إِلَيْكَ وَإِنِّي مِنَ الْمُسْلِمِينَ

It impliedly means the answerable age is forty years. Are you forty? Then be careful.
written by duh_swami , August 01, 2011
duh_swami. "Reed, define children before you judge. 10 yrs old is well old enough to fast during the day".

I didn't write that...
Reed Wilson fasting is beneficial
written by Mozlem , August 02, 2011
So why do muslims put on weight in the fasting month if it is beneficial.... Overating in night and then not eating in day is gluttony not fasting as u sleep in day to reverse the night to day. All you do is reverse body clock while eating 3 times as much. What type of fasting is this. Dont eat lunch while eat thrice at midnight....
Tim Halley to Reed and Malem
written by Mozlem , August 02, 2011
"loot kuffir's property"-- They already do as in whole middle east non beleivers work their arses off whilst the beleivers sleep their day off. Officially they are supposed to work 5 hours but they dont work and no disciplinary questions asked.
written by Cerebrum123 , August 02, 2011
Real fasting can have benefits ,but this Ramadan fasting seems to be different than what most people think about when they talk about fasting. Not eating during the day then gorging yourself at night doesn't seem like it could be healthy at all.Not to mention they don't drink any water ,which in a very hot climate seems to be very dangerous.In a climate that hot water is needed on a regular basis or dehydration kicks in. It seems the big problem here is the definition of fasting.
written by duh_swami , August 03, 2011
It seems the big problem here is the definition of fasting.

You hit that nail right on the head...Islamic thinking is usually backwards from western thinking or even common sense...But to them Allah already defined fasting, and called it fasting so it's fasting even though it's really not...
written by Malem , August 03, 2011
False information my little friend but a nice try. The majority of muslims here where I am located work their regular jobs of 8-10 hours per day during Ramadan. Maybe you live in a lazy part of the world? In addition there is no looting advised anywhere, I would say there is more looting in the West then anywhere in the world, this is based on the billions stolen by the big banks during this global recession.
Malman passes out
written by duh_swami , August 03, 2011
There are Imams of your faith who do advocate looting, stealing, robbing of kuffar money and property...I have read numerous speeches, sermons and videos, where this is recommended...You might not think this is a good idea, but they do, and they influence more Muslims than you do..
Your comment about banks was tu quoque...Which means your engine ran out of steam...Your probably just becoming weak and delusional from lack of food...
MalMan you are a lier 2
written by Mozlem , August 17, 2011
"One day 'Ali attacked Amr ibn Aas, he threw a spear and Amr fell to the ground,
Amr fell to the ground and he then exposed his buttocks. 'Ali then turned away his
face [people said] this was Amr bin Aas. 'Ali replied he showed me his anus and this
made me merciful to him. When Amr ibn Aas returned, Mu'awiya said 'You should
praise Allah and your anus"."You should shower praises on Allah (swt) and that black anus that saved your life today"
Verfied in the follwing hadiths
1. Al Bidayah wa al Nihayah, Volume 7 page 293
2. Al Akhbar at Tawaal, page 177 Dhikr Sifeen
3. Al Manaqib al Khwarizmi page 162 Dhikr Sifeen
4. Al Fusul al Muhimma, page 91 Dhikr Sifeen
5. Tadhkira al Khawwas al Ummah, page 51 Dhikr Sifeen
6. Mutalib al Saul, page 122 Dhikr Sifeen
7. Nur al Absar, page 94 Dhikr Sifeen
8. Aqd al Fareed, page 235 Dhikr Sifeen
9. Al Imam wa al Siyasa, page 99 Dhikr Sifeen

Islam has a code of ethics for all scenarios, including behaviour during Jihad, we are yet to find
any code wherein Rasulullah (s) authorised the Sahaba to expose their buttocks as a means of
sickening the opposition! In Karachi a Nasibi scholar said to his blind followers 'Had Mu'awiya
not entered on the plains of Sifeen the entire continent of Europe would have been conquered'.
We agree with this conclusion but it would have been achieved through the battle tactics of
Amr ibn Aas, since not even the greatest military tactitioner would not have accounted for this
'shock and awe' tactic! Our appeal to our Rafidi brethren is to control the illiterates in our
community from throwing mud at Amr ibn Aas for this immoral act: after all had Amr not
survived that day, who would have been enlightened enough to place the Qur'an on spears?
Who would have dishonestly made Mu'awiya the khalifa during the negotiations? The Salafi are
no doubt ever indebted to Amr bin Aas, for all future events such the rise to power of their fifth
Khalifa Mu'awiya as Khalifa was all through the Sadaqa of the anus of Amr ibn Aas.community from throwing mud at Amr ibn Aas for this immoral act: after all had Amr not
survived that day, who would have been enlightened enough to place the Qur'an on spears?
Who would have dishonestly made Mu'awiya the khalifa during the negotiations? The Salafi are
no doubt ever indebted to Amr bin Aas, for all future events such the rise to power of their fifth
Khalifa Mu'awiya as Khalifa was all through the Sadaqa of the anus of Amr ibn Aas.
MalMan you are a lier 1
written by Mozlem , August 17, 2011
It was taken over for review
Malman The Pathatic snivelling lier
written by Mozlem , August 18, 2011
The official working hours in Saudia Barbaria are 5 per day. probably you dont go to office so you lie that you work 8-10 hours. Professional Takiyaite. This is your new relgion. Unless you show your ring in surrender as per my post before you will get more Islamic entertainment.
Funny Comments Here
written by Random_Reader , September 15, 2011
It is funny to see SOME of the ignorant people here, making comments about Islam based on hearsay. Go read about the religion a little and then come here to write you comments.

The Quran is not a magic book that we blindly follow, however some of the facts written in the Quran do provide undeniable proof of existence of Allah, such as fetal development which scientists only discovered years after the Quran was sent to us.(http://www.islamicbulletin.com...ience.aspx).

The first word of God in the Quran was "Iqra" could be translated to :- Read, Learn, Ponder, Research, Gain Knowledge. You have to be aware of the many Muslim Scientists (Algebra, Medicine, Atronomy and more http://www.desitwist.com/gener...14618.html) So muslims are not dumb people who will blindly follow something, Islam is one of the most logical religions, and the depth of the logic in it you might not be able to understand, yet instead of out right questioning the logic try to research and ponder over it.

As for Ramadan it is a blessed month to get as many good deeds as you can, the Saudi Culture is not Islam, the ways of a country cannot be equated to a religion, otherwise you might also say that the Jewish religion asks you to isolate and collectively torture a larger population of innocent people, kill aid activists, destroy peoples homes and run people over with bulldozers.) Now not all Jews are bad people but unfortunately a small bunch gives a bad name to all. Same can be said about Muslim Terrorists, not like other religions dont have terrorists, but only muslims are labelled terrorists and jihadists and when it is a westerner it is deemed as an act of violence by an individual.

Another thing that Islam tells you is that before you try to argue over something and present your facts, verify them and make sure you know what you are talking about.

@Random_Reader and all
written by Mozlem , September 15, 2011
And wife beaters
And pedophiles
And imbeciles
And Jihadists
And the pirates
And the incestors
And all the hate / murder in Quran for non beleivers

Can we have some rebuttal on the above from Quran
Speaking of the Ignorant
written by Yibel , September 15, 2011
The Quran is a MAGIC book. It is the words of al-Ah, the Supreme One and He keeps an exact copy of it in His heaven. The Quran was written by al-Ah, the Magnificent, the One who created the jinn (geniis) from smokeless fire (Q. 55:16), the seven heavens with fiery meteorites to chase the jinn when they try to eavesdrop on Him (Q. 72:9), and the houris (pronounced whores) of heaven and made them virgins. And men from clots of blood (Q.96 Al-Alaq, The Holy Clots of Blood), or is it potters clay (Q. 55:16)? Al-Ah has a hard time remembering how He did things. But it's all decreed in al-Ah's very own, written by Him, with His very Own Pen, in the Eternal MAGIC Book, the Quran!

As al-Ah, the Magnifient One, says:
"I swear by the shelter of the stars (a mighty oath, if you but knew it) that this is a glorious Quran, a safeguard in a book which none may touch except the purified; a revelation from (ME) the Lord of the Universe." (Quran 16:74) Notice how al-Ah, the Greatest, swears by His Own creation, the stars, which He declares are just lanterns, or little lights in the sky, which He, the Truly Fantastic One, created.

"Say:If men and jinn combined to produce a book akin to this Quran, they would surely fail to produce its like, though they helped one another as best they could." (Q. 17:89)

See, al-Ah, Himself, says it is a MAGIC book. Written by Him. And it's ETERNAL. Al-Ah, the Magnificent One, SAYS SO. All by Himself. He is the Lord of the Two Easts and the Two Wests, the One who holds up the sky with His invisible hands, or is it invisible pillars? Al-Ah forgets, again! But He causes the sun to set in a pool of muddy water. Dhul-Qarnyn saw it with his own eyes, and swears to it. It's in the Quran, so it must be true. (Q. 18:85)

Alif lam mim. This book is not to be doubted (Quran 2:1) Why? Because al-Ah says so, that's why!!!
@Random Reader
written by Mirza-Ghalib , September 15, 2011
The alleged first word of God in the Quran is “IQRA” , which mean Read, Learn, Ponder, Research and gain knowledge.
Well. The idea of this site is also to make the truth seekers, to educate and get enlightened.
Random_Reader! Please try to do your research on the following points,(without any mediator), not by Random Reading, but Thorough Reading. May be some of my questions you don’t aware even.
1/ If “IQRA” is the first word of God, then who placed that word “IQRA” in 96th chapter of the Quran ? During his life time MD didn’t felt important to compile it in book form. Because, he achieved his target of becoming a ruler of Arabia, through terror.
2/ While the Quran was compiled in 651AD, decades after MD’s death, during the ruler ship of his son-in-law Uthman, the word “IQRA” was placed in 96th chapter. Who gave him the authority to do this?
3/ why Allah revealed the Quran in 7 versions? How Uthman can burn 6 versions of Allah’s word?
4/ How did Allah failed to protect some part of His Quran, while some domestic animals of Aisha’s house had eaten it, while MD was in his death bed?
5/ Aisha saya the Quranic Chapter No:30/ AL-AHZAAB, previously had its 200 verses, instead of the present 73 verses. What happen to those 127 missing verses from Sura No:30 Al-Ahzaab?
6/ what made the two rivalry groups of Islam to killed the “QURRAA” of the Quran (Memorizers of the quran), after MD’s death, during the battle of Yamaama, which results the loss of large portion of the Quran?
How can a single revelation of Allah be missing from the Quran?
It is very simple. The Quran is not as Holy as you are thinking. Please READ the Islamic sources THOROUGHLY with open mind.

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