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Knowing Muhammad's ISLAM in 20 Steps

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It’s very easy to understand Islam and Muhammad. Read the following 20 points. That is the whole Islam.

  1. Muhammad's father died before his birth
  2. Muhammad's mother died when he was child
  3. Muhammad's nurse, who gave her milk, died after giving him milk
  4. His grandfather Abdul Muttalib took care of him, but he also died not long after
  5. Then his uncle Abu Taleb took care of him, whom he employed for tending the cattle and also often joined his trade-trips.
  6. He started a job under Khadija, a wealthy businesswomen
  7. Muhammad married with Khadija not because she was a widow or old, but because she was rich.
  8. Why nobody in Mecca gave their girl to him, even when old men easily married young girls? For example, Muhammad’s father Abdullah and Grandfather Abdul Muttalib married on the same day. Then why nobody would give their daughters to Muhammad till the age of 25, which was very late age for marriage in those days.
  9. After few years of marriage Khadija's business failed, and they become poor. Why??
  10. It is because Muhammad had observed the leaders of Mecca used to earn handsomely from the offering given to deities of the Temple Kaba. Muhammad and Khadija thought: Why not we do something similar so that we make a living from offerings of the people given to our temple. So, Muhammad tried to prove that he was a prophet, so that everyone starts worshiping his God and give money to his temple. But when the Meccans showed reluctance to join his cult, he started abusing the Meccans’ Gods, religion and customs in trying to establish his deity is only true god worth worshipping. Fed up, the Meccans started creating obstacles to preaching Muhammad’s religion. So, seeing no hope in Mecca, he had to find a greener pasture elsewhere. (So, from the age of 25 when Muhammad married Khadija to age of 52 when he moved to Medina, Muhammad had not paid attention to making a living working hard on Khadija’s business. So, her business failed and they became rather poor.)
  11. At this time, Medina offered Muhammad a greener pasture where people started joining his religion. So, he shifted to Medina with all his followers, and allied with the local converts (ansars). He formed a criminal raiding band of trade-caravans.
  12. He himself was a merchant. So he knows well where merchants used to commute. So it was easy to prey upon and loot them.
  13. By looting, he started earning money and gradually he made a powerful army of criminals
  14. After getting power by crime, he started killing his enemies, and those who did not believe in his message and refused to worship his deity.
  15. When he got power and money, he started other communities of around Medina. And when his power grew further, he planned to attack Mecca in 628, but failed. And 2 years later in 630, he attacked Mecca again and broke all the idols of Temple Kaba, keeping only its Black Stone.
  16. He made Kaba as center so that every one gives money to their temple, so he can earn money.
  17. After becoming prophet he only searched women for sex. He did sex with more then 62 females including kids. One, who, for 25 years, didn’t get any woman, and over the next 27 years, got only Khadija, 3 times widowed and 15 years older than him, now start snatching young girls and having sex with them. A prophet now thought only of sex. He never made any female his sister or daughter but only wife and sex-slave. He even did not spare girls as young as 6 years of age from his lust for sex.
  18. Curses of his criminality fell upon his offspring as none of sons survived their infancy, while all his daughters died early deaths.
  19. He eventually died by poison, which was given by his own wife (see Why Aisha Likely Poisoned Muhammad, Not a Jewish Woman: Part 1, Part 2)
  20. See the lust of so-called prophet. He died while having sex with his child-bride Aisha.

So this is roughly the whole story of Muhammad and Islam…

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written by kope , July 22, 2012
point 21 you are a retard

thank for great article
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YOU ARE LYING
written by IAM MUSLIM , July 22, 2012
I HOPE YOU WILL GET PUNISHED BY ALLAH FOR SAYING THOSE LIES.
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Life of Mohammad
written by balam , July 22, 2012
No body seems to know much about father of Mohammad.Can some body give more details.He seemed to have more wives other than AMINA.Why did Amina hand over Mohammad to the Bedouin?What was her source of Income?How did she manage to pay for child care?Did Mohammad love his natural mother or despise her?Why has the house where Mohammad was born ,been demolished recently and toilets built there?Is that the show of respect for Amina and her Son Mohammad?
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To kope, 'IAM MUSLIM'
written by Archpagan , July 22, 2012
If you want to know Islam, know Mohammad. For, Mohammad is the author of Koran. Besides, cursing and swearing you have nothing to show that Islam really qualify for the term 'religion'. Islam is an elaborate historical hoax and evil masquerading as religion. 9/11 has opened our eyes. You can deceive us no longer. Come out of that evil, poor fellows!
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IAM MUSLIM
written by ANNAD , July 22, 2012
YOU MADE ME LAUGH SO HARD!!
Thanks for great entertainment. Nothing of substance to add? You people are so ridiculously stupid with your religiously brainwashed excuses for brains.
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written by zzz , July 22, 2012
it easy to lie to someone who know nothing, but not to the one who already know.

Islam Watch ~ telling the truth about Islam? nonsense, non of it is true.

I recommend all of you who visit this site read: The Bible, The Qur'an and Science by Maurice Bucaille. with Bucaillism you will know that Qur'an is of divine origin, because it contains scientifically correct facts.
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Islam is stupid
written by Vluk , July 22, 2012
Well done, this is a good start to showing how stupid this terrorist religion of Islam is.
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written by berq , July 22, 2012
Muslims in the west when ever they call upon non related women,they call them sister,daughter,or mother.Where from they have learned this tradition?Mohd did not practic this tradition in his whole life.If you study the authentic hadiths it seems that his life was lustful.He did not spare widow,virgin,divorcee,even did not spare his own gaughter in law Zeinab.Mariyah was a beautiful girl he lusted for her.The books of the hadiths contain all this rubish.This is the reason some educated muslims start saying that they did not believe in hadiths. ofcourse,They face many problmes regarding their muslim faith.
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ZZZ
written by fineliving56 , July 22, 2012
Go back to sleep, Muslim sleeper

While you were sleeping, every know nows, for years now, that the so called Science facts in Quran are nothing but of 1400 hundred Science ... hahha

Your Quran says .. The earth had "'CORNERS"" ... haha ... Have you seen a a boll with sharp corners ... hahaha

Like I said ...

Go back to sleep ... and keep ZZZZZZZZZZZZZing
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Gestation Period of Mohamed
written by Infidel and More Proud , July 23, 2012
Mohameds mothers pregnancy of 4 years is missed out!
This should be the start.
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@ "zzz"
written by 1proudkaffur4life , July 23, 2012
Thanks for the laugh.

Scientific truth you say is found in the kooraan? Well, please explain, why one day by your demented stoned-gawd allah is a thousand years in one verse, and in another 50.000? Or where are the "seven" heavens shown to MuahamMAD as "signs" from his deity? Have Scientists confirmed that "stars" are objects with which "jinns" (or devils) are chased out of "heaven"? A "heaven" which is held in place by "unseen Pillars".. Mountains to hold a flat earth down, so that it will not shake the inhabitants?

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Islamic Olympic Games
written by Gnostic , July 23, 2012
1. Wife beating
2. Flogging
3. Having sex with 9 year old girls
4. cruxifications
5. beheadings
6. cutting off hands
7. cutting off feet
8. stoning
9. suicide bombing
10. memorizing and reciting of such things (quranic texts)
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Addendum!
written by Gnostic , July 23, 2012
Oh, I forgot:

11. Adult suckling
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Gnostic
written by Tanstaafl jw , July 23, 2012
You forgot -
12. Wipe out other cultures.
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Breast Sucking
written by balam , July 23, 2012
Mohammad allowed 'Non-Mahram Men' to work with Muslim women provided he sucks her breasts five times.Older sister of Ayesha did that to men when Mohammad was out.FREE SERVICES OFFERED TO MUSILMAH UNDER25!!!BUT OVER 16.I AM NOT A FOLLOWER OF MOHAMMAD'S SUNNAH.
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written by Reed Wilson , July 23, 2012
Dear Anil. You write:

Muhammad's father died before his birth
Muhammad's mother died when he was child
Muhammad's nurse, who gave her milk, died after giving him milk
His grandfather Abdul Muttalib took care of him, but he also died not long after
Then his uncle Abu Taleb took care of him, whom he employed for tending the cattle and also often joined his trade-trips.
He started a job under Khadija, a wealthy businesswomen
Muhammad married with Khadija not because she was a widow or old, but because she was rich.
Why nobody in Mecca gave their girl to him, even when old men easily married young girls? For example, Muhammad’s father Abdullah and Grandfather Abdul Muttalib married on the same day. Then why nobody would give their daughters to Muhammad till the age of 25, which was very late age for marriage in those days.
After few years of marriage Khadija's business failed, and they become poor.


Whence you got all the above data? Please quote your reporter(s).
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Islam science fact
written by Guy Macher , July 23, 2012
The sets in a muddy pool. Mountains hold the earth down. Stars are closer than the moon.
Do you Muslims understand why you can't win Nobel Prizes?
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Bali the BS artist
written by malem , July 23, 2012
Reed you ask where he got the information, he most likley gathered it from islamaphobe sites and made some of it up himself. Tis' fools like this, that the even more foolish follow into the lake of moronism.
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written by Jye , July 23, 2012
Islamophobia is a laughable notion. It isn't irrational fear of a "religion" that perpetrates approximately two thousand terrorist attacks per year, and which preaches division, intolerance, hate and misogyny; it's rational disgust.
The term Islamophobia is a tool used by Muslims to cling to victim status when all else fails. So when a Muslim uses it he has nothing else in which to defend the hateful religion in which he/she follows.
This is also obvious when they compare themselves to the Jews of Europe during WW2. Disgusting on every level.
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Qur'an science
written by Yibel , July 23, 2012
The Qur'an (41:9-13) says that Muhammad's god created the earth in two days. And that He/IT threw down mountains on its surface, and in four days provided it with sustenance. Then, turning to the sky, which was a cloud of vapor, He formed it into seven skies in two (more) days and to each sky He/IT assigned a task. The lowest sky He/It decked with brilliant stars and guardian shooting stars along with the sun and the moon. However, the Qur'an fails to say what the tasks were for the other 6 skies.

This is not very scientific. The scientific evidence points to an earth the took much longer than just a few days to create. Perhaps even billions of years. And no one has located those other 6 skies. There is really only one sky up there, and the stars, moon and sun are way beyond it. Actually, the sun is a star, but Muhammad/Allah didn't know that, so he didn't mention it in his book.

Q. 21.32-34: "We spread the sky like a canopy overhead and provided it with strong support...It was He (Ar-Rahman) who created the night and day, and the sun and the moon, each swimming in a path of its own." So, the sun and moon swim and the sky is held up with strong support. Why? So it won't fall down on us, of course! We wouldn't want to be pelted with stars and the sun and the moon and lots of pieces of broken sky, would we? Of course not! Good thing Muhammad's god put up those strong invisible pillars for support. LOL
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written by Reed Wilson , July 23, 2012
Yibel. I give here translation of 41:9-12 here:

"Say: "Do you refuse to believe in Him who created the earth in two spans of time, and set up compeers to Him, the Lord of all the worlds? He placed firm stabilizers rising above its surface, blessed it with plenty and growth, and ingrained the means of growing its food within it, sufficient for all seekers, in four spans. Then He turned to the heavens, and it was smoke. So He said to it and the earth: "Come with willing obedience or perforce." They said: "We come willingly." Then He created SEVEN skies in two spans, and ingrained in each sky its function, decking the nearest heaven with lamps, and guarded it. This has been determined by the mighty and all-knowing".

Who put 'more' in the brackets? May be the 'genius' translator. That 'more' confused you Yibel. Moreover some activities can be simultaneous.
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ABSURD THEOLOGY
written by balam , July 23, 2012
MUSTAFA KEMAL OF TURKEY EXPOSED ISLAM IN ONE SENTENCE.ACCORDING TO HIM:ISLAM WAS THE ABSURD THEOLOGY OF AN IMMORAL BEDUOIN.Ref Holy Terror by Amer Taheri page 187.No further words can explain Islam better.All the verses quoted from Quran could be put in this category of nothing but ABSURDITY.
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Reed Wilson … please be honest
written by fineliving56 , July 23, 2012
Archpagan said, you, Reed is a dishonest man …. he is right and you prove it almost every post you write

I just wanted to say … I actually dislike saying, that,to you … but if I do not highlight what you are doing, I am not sticking to the truth I am after, like you should be doing too … truth is what counts to clear things up in Quran.

You said Q,…. Al Fuuealat 41/9 … '' Do you refuse to believe in him who created the earth in two SPANS OF TIME ''

and I say TO THAT … you are WRONG, AND YOU KNOW IT …

The * RIGHT *transaltion for the begging of 41/9 is '' Say '' Is it that you deny him [ Allah ] WHO CREATED THE EARTH * IN TWO DAYS …. "'

The words you are changing in 41/9 are … '' fi Yamayan '' .. means …. " two days '' …. you said '' fi tool WAQTAN '' … means …. '' in two spans of time ''

Thses two words are completely deferent words … Yamuman is clearly not waqtan

It seems
you are deliberately changing the words of Quran …. You and Malam do that … and I promise you Reed, that I will bring out and show it, every time I read it in your posts .

Go and check these words for your self … then again you already know what you are doing . .. don't you ?

You find it as a problem when someone adds words in between brackets but you have no problem, completely CHANGE WORDS IN QURAN ??

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fineliving
written by Rationalist , July 24, 2012
Well done... Reed tries to fool non-Arabic readers, but gets caught by u time n again. Now he won't reply to u but jumps to another time

He changed '2 days' to '2 spans' coz he knows it is not possible to create in 2 days!! Clever but cunning!
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Days which days
written by Infidel and More Proud , July 24, 2012
If it were days and not nights these are dependent on the location. If it were poles it is 6 moths long and varies all over the year. Also Earth is round so some or the other place always has day. Why did allah have to rest unless Mo did not know that day are night are variable from place to place?
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written by Reed Wilson , July 24, 2012
Fineliving. It is not RW's translation. It is Ahmad Ali's translation available on net.

It makes no difference to me if it means day or a longer span of time. We dont have to change the meanings of the message.

Ali has a justification to translate as span of time as it is there in dictionary.
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Reed Wislson … that what the source of problems you have in coping translation
written by fineliving56 , July 24, 2012
[b I am calling '' AHMAD ALI '' … A LIAR … Do you hear me me Reed ? … That what I am calling that two bit Muslim ,so called scholar …. DISHONEST MUSLIM WEAZEL OF THE WORST KIND

I HAVE MANY BOOKS OF TRANSLATIONS FROM HERE AND FROM BACK HOME, AND, ALL SAY THAT IN 41/9/10/11 … THE WORD THAT AHMAD ALI USED DISHONESTLY '' A SPAN OF TIMES '' IS, IN FACT '' TWO DAYS ''

Reed … go and investigate from different sources to find the real truth … your problem is you are listening to people who are lying ON LINE TO hide the cruel truth about Quran …

LIKE THE WORD '' IDROBUHUNNA '' that you have been brain watched to believe it means, any other meaning other then the real meaning '' physically beat wives ''

I do not blame you as much I blame .. the sick dishonest Imams who are ashamed from the truth of Quran … SO …. THEY …. LIE

I have caught many lyes your translator have done and you just copied without checking I have a feeling there is going to be many more .

I challenge any Arabic speaking person to come here and say that the word '' Yaumayn '' in 41/9 Quran to mean '' span of time '' … it is nothing but ….BS

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Reed my post to you
written by fineliving56 , July 24, 2012
is gone … in response to your claims …

I am calling that '' Ahmad Ali '' …. a Li@R … a dishonest two bit weasel … he changed the meaning to make put Quran in better light …

so it makes more since to say'' 2 days '' because it is such short time to be believe like Rationalist said …

'' Span of time'' is non committal word designed to let the reader PUT any number he could think off …. 2 DAYS … 2 YEARS … 2 PILLIONS OF YEARS … he did that, so Quran will not CLASH WITH SCIENCE WHICH SAYS EARTH IS 4 AND HALF BILION YEARS OLD …

DO YOU SEE …REED ???

I am so enraged at this … pure dishonesty of Muslim Arabic translators … I will spend the rest of my live to expose the untruths the imams are dishing out …shame on them …

Ahmad Ali is nothing but a Li@r changed the meaning to fool people like you Reed !!! … and he succeeding … WoW
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zzz
written by non believer , July 24, 2012
Quran is scientific. That is why Indian Muslims do not believe in astronomical calculation of when RAMZAN begins. They need to see the moon to believe in science.

Muslims claim that they are 1.5 billion in number. But Reed Williams says he is the only Muslim who knows the correct Quran. So there must be only one Muslim. Malems abcs zzzs are not Muslims.
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@ REED WILSON
written by Brown Superman , July 24, 2012
Regarding your question to Anil K Bali on the source of data,.....

if those information are wrong, please enlighten us with the facts on those same issues and quote your verses of the Koran.
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written by Reed Wilson , July 24, 2012
Fineliving. How would you translate following verse:

َيَسْتَعْجِلُونَكَ بِالْعَذَابِ وَلَن يُخْلِفَ اللَّـهُ وَعْدَهُ ۚ وَإِنَّ يَوْمًا عِندَ رَبِّكَ كَأَلْفِ سَنَةٍ مِّمَّا تَعُدُّونَ

And

يُدَبِّرُ الْأَمْرَ مِنَ السَّمَاءِ إِلَى الْأَرْضِ ثُمَّ يَعْرُجُ إِلَيْهِ فِي يَوْمٍ كَانَ مِقْدَارُهُ أَلْفَ سَنَةٍ مِّمَّا تَعُدُّونَ


You would know that يَوْمٍ has different span.

A 24 hour يَوْمٍ is related with earth and sun. In Quran يَوْمٍ is used for longer span of time also.
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ex786
written by ex786 , July 24, 2012
Mohamed was first terrorist of the world and for 1400years Muslims are doing same.
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Brown
written by Malem , July 24, 2012
The correct tense for your sentence is "If the information is wrong" I know its tough when your only 12 to form correct sentences, but Ill be here to help you lad.
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@ Malem
written by Brown Superman , July 24, 2012
I stand corrected, thank you.

Your ".... I know its tough... " should be " I know it's tough..." and ".... I'll be here to help.... " and not "... Ill be here to help...". What kind of help could you give, Senile Old man?

Case of pot calling the kettle black!
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Reed Wilson
written by fineliving56 , July 24, 2012
I will tell how :

This is Allah talking to Muhammad '' They are rushing you, to witness the torture [ they have been promised ] Never would [Allah ] go back on his promise, indeed ONE DAY IN YOUR LORD's [ days ] equals one thousand years that you [Muslims] counts .

Here, Muhammad was being nagged by the people around him to show when the promised day of judgment that he is promising day in day out, to remedy that, it looks like he got fed up with the nagging, so, he told them an absolute lie, which was, a day of our days equals 1000 years of Allah's time, to make them give up the nagging and through them to a time, they will never see in their life time …. what a sneaky way to fool the ignorant fools .

The second Aya you sited :

'' [Allah] manages things from the sky to earth then he turns to him in ONE DAY that equals one thousands years from what you count .

As you can see … Quran used the 24 hours day [ not just a span of time ] that we count to say that Allah's days are not the same, in fact, they equals 1000 years to us …

The word '' Yawman '' in this Aya was used to make Muslims understand, How long days in Allah world … so I do not see your point ?

If you are saying that the 2 days Allah talked about in 41/9 when it took to created earth he meant to equals 2 thousand years to us , THATS, STILL MAKES THE CALCULATION WRONG IN THE AGE OF EARTH IN OUR TIME .
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Reed Wilson
written by fineliving56 , July 24, 2012
I wrote you a reply to your post and it was snatched to be checked.

I explained what you asked .

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FYI
written by @Malem , July 24, 2012
1.) Your should "You're"

2.) Its should be "It's." "Its" is a possessive term and "it's" is a contraction.

Have a nice day! :)
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English majors
written by malem , July 24, 2012
Good to see you are all in one practicing good English, bravo chaps, bravo!!
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@ Malem
written by Brown Superman , July 25, 2012
In a hurry to point out one mistake of mine, you committed three errors.

This is typical of muslims......... wanting to point a mistake of others but fail to look at themselves. On top of that, there will be names-clling.

Do Pakis still hang around the parks?
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hell for kafir
written by ex kafir , July 26, 2012
person is first degree moron at point 18 he said he belief in curse, but show himself a modern and intellectual. It shows Hypocrisy has no limit
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What the Pope quoted
written by lw1 , July 26, 2012
The Pope Benedict 16th quoted Emperor Manuel 2nd Palaiologos - 'In the seventh conversation ..... the emperor touches on the theme of the holy war. Without descending to details, such as the difference in treatment accorded to those who have the 'Book' and the 'infidels', he addresses his interlocutor with a startling brusqueness on the central question about the relationship between religion and violence in general, saying : 'Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by sword the faith he preached'.
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written by bundypig , July 26, 2012
Well, if you look back at the responses on this article, you'll see that mal has only responded to grammatical errors (a lot done by himself) and not to any meat so to speak of the article, leaving the small fart kope to take up the slack? This is typical of 'ol mal, when he's in a pickle he runs and uses tactics of the diversionary type to try and stymie his detractors. But those who have been here a while see him for what he is...a self possessed, sexually repressed man with only himself to talk about his great services to mankind...before I read by Guy Macher..."Do you Muslims understand why you can't win Nobel Prizes?"...well if not, you'll have to take 'ol mal into the spotlight, as he's about the best they have to offer, just ask him! hahahah
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written by Reed Wilson , July 26, 2012
Brown Superman. " Regarding your question to Anil K Bali on the source of data,.....

if those information are wrong, please enlighten us with the facts on those same issues and quote your verses of the Koran".

It was all unfounded.

وَلَا تَقْفُ مَا لَيْسَ لَكَ بِهِ عِلْمٌ ۚ إِنَّ السَّمْعَ وَالْبَصَرَ وَالْفُؤَادَ كُلُّ أُولَـٰئِكَ كَانَ عَنْهُ مَسْئُولًا ﴿٣٦﴾ وَلَا تَمْشِ فِي الْأَرْضِ مَرَحًا ۖ إِنَّكَ لَن تَخْرِقَ الْأَرْضَ وَلَن تَبْلُغَ الْجِبَالَ طُولًا ﴿٣٧﴾ كُلُّ ذَٰلِكَ كَانَ سَيِّئُهُ عِندَ رَبِّكَ مَكْرُوهًا

"Do not follow that of which you have no reliable knowledge. Verily the ear, the eye, the heart, each will be questioned. And do not strut about the land with insolence: Surely you cannot cleave the earth, nor attain the height of mountains in stature". 17:36-37.

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written by RW. , July 26, 2012
The Pope Benedict 16th said "Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new".

Why PB16 wanted something new from Muhammad? Jesus Christ declared that he didnt bring anything new.

Matt. 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Why the pope did not ask this question to himself? Soon, IW1 he realized that he was being vulgar there and apologized.
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written by Rick , July 26, 2012
Good summary of Mo's criminal life
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To Reed Wilson
written by Archpagan , July 26, 2012
Do you endorse my fond theory that Christianity is only a parody of Judaism and Islam is a caricature on both? If so, let us join hands.
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written by RW. , July 27, 2012
Archpagan. You write" Do you endorse my fond theory that Christianity is only a parody of Judaism and Islam is a caricature on both? If so, let us join hands".

Thanks Arcpagan. We are never rivals. In matters of God we have to refer God. I am of the view that muslims are in all religious groups and there is majority of Muslims who are not muslims.

I copypaste one post from our duh-swami:

"Reed influences.



written by Duh Swami , August 13, 2011

Reed has shown some extremely good points here. I have to agree with his point of view and it could be that I have not judged him correctly. I think we would all be better served if we gave Islam a second look from a positive perspective. Thank you Reed".

The comment was on 'On question of God'.

Since Reed quotes God alone, it was the influence of God and not of Reed. Your theory doest conflict Quran. The vocabulary you used, is your style.

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To Reed Wilson
written by Archpagan , July 27, 2012
In effect, you say both of us hold same opinion about the three Abrahamic religions, only difference is that you are reverent while I am irreverent. On another thread you wanted to club Hindu Vedantis with the three. But I protested. Actually you are like our Hindu secularists who go by the fond postulates ‘All religions say the same thing’, to which I do not subscribe at all. My firm belief is that all Gods should be respected and it is impossible to respect all religions simultaneously’.

‘Supreme Being’ or ‘Brahman’ of Vedanta is not a mirror image of Abrahamic ‘Yahweh’ or ‘Allah’. For, Brahman is not separate from creation. It’s all –pervading or immanent, infinite and non-tangible (Nirguna). Our spiritual goal and religious effort is to explore that infinite. To a saintly person, ‘Brahman’ has existence, consciousness and is full of joy (Sat-chit-ananda). To a lay devotee He can take tangible form in Vishnu, Mahesh or Mahashakti etc. You can call it idolatry but in the Hindu perspective, attaching overriding importance to words of the Prophet is the worst form of idolatry. Because God has actually got replaced and confined here within words in the ‘Holy Book’. It is proved time and again that such words are at the root of many conflicts in the past as well as the present. Hindus do no fight over Gods. Vishnu and Mahesh is alter ego while Mahashakti is their female counterpart or wife.
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written by RW. , July 27, 2012
Archpagan. " In effect, you say both of us hold same opinion about the three Abrahamic religions, only difference is that you are reverent while I am irreverent."

I follow Quran. I give quranic views here.

"On another thread you wanted to club Hindu Vedantis with the three. But I protested".

I dont really remember how it happened. I dont normally do that. I hope it was not deliberate. I am not good at my expressions.
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@ Reed Wilson
written by Brown Superman , July 28, 2012
Fine, then tell us what should it be for these......

1.Muhammad's father died before his birth
2.Muhammad's mother died when he was child
3.Muhammad's nurse, who gave her milk, died after giving him milk
4.His grandfather Abdul Muttalib took care of him, but he also died not long after
5.Then his uncle Abu Taleb took care of him, whom he employed for tending the cattle and also often joined his trade-trips.
6.He started a job under Khadija, a wealthy businesswomen
7.Muhammad married with Khadija not because she was a widow or old, but because she was rich.
8.Why nobody in Mecca gave their girl to him, even when old men easily married young girls? For example, Muhammad’s father Abdullah and Grandfather Abdul Muttalib married on the same day. Then why nobody would give their daughters to Muhammad till the age of 25, which was very late age for marriage in those days.
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written by Reed Wilson. , July 28, 2012
Brown Superman. You write "Fine, then tell us what should it be for these......

1.Muhammad's father died before his birth and 2-8"

How should I tell you all that? The one who is saying Muhammads father died before his death and all other such enunciations, is supposed to prove that.

Quran tells me that Muhammad was messenger of Allah through whom we received the message. All other information given by Anil K. Bali is not known to me. That is why I have requested him for the source.

For Allah and for RW it does not matter much that when his father died and who brought up the messenger of God.

I dont really want to know the name of father and grandfather and why none wanted to merry Muhammad in Makkah.

My reply may not be mistaken as harsh. I sincerely mean it. I am not sure if Abdulla is the name of father.


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brown
written by malem , July 28, 2012
One cannot prove spurious data, which this list is. It would like saying:
1 Brown superman is a 15 year old girl
2 He was bore from qurd
3 Brown superman drinks his own milk

These statements are false like the list above, thus cannot be proven
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written by Reed Wilson. , July 28, 2012
malem. Thanks for helping me. I dont have good expression. Yes one may not prove " Brown superman is a 15 year old girl".

But malem at least the author must prove his claims.
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To Reed Wilson
written by lw1 , July 29, 2012
On 26 July you wrote ' ......Jesus Christ declared that he didn't bring anything new.'
Jesus Christ did not say that .
He said,' Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.'
Why are you putting words in Jesus Christ's mouth which he did not say?
The message that Jesus Christ brought of being merciful and being peacemakers is new.
The message brought by your 'Prophet' is full of hatred and contradictions and threats to convert to Islam or lose your head. That is why the Pope's quote is so apt.
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To Malem
written by lw1 , July 29, 2012
In the article 'Does the Koran's Wife-beating Command .......'of 4 December 2011, you wrote (on 12 December 2011), 'Women are worshipped under the Koran, the Sharia is a different animal and has no right under the Koran.'
I still can't find the Sura which says that women are worshipped under the Koran.
You never replied to my query.
Please can show me which Sura says that women are worshipped under Koran?
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written by Dwito , July 29, 2012
7.Muhammad married with Khadija not because she was a widow or old, but because she was rich.


Mo did not marry Khadija. He had no option left to choose. It is Khadija who took him as her kept, and used the social identity to cover her play. Mo had no way to refuse to satisfy his boss's filthy lust.
This proposition rather explains clearly his extreme sickness to women.
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written by Reed Wilson. , July 29, 2012
IW1. You write "The message brought by your 'Prophet' is full of hatred and contradictions and threats to convert to Islam or lose your head."

I am Quran personified. Do you find any hatred in me? There are no threats. There are warnings not only for converts but for all including muslims.

"That is why the Pope's quote is so apt."

But Pope apologized for his vulgarity.
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To Reed Wilson
written by lw1 , July 29, 2012
Another point - You also wrote (on 26 July)' ...... Soon IW1(lw1) he realized that he was being vulgar there and apologized.'
The Pope was not being vulgar and he never apologized for making the remark. He never withdrew or retract his remark. He said that he was sorry if Muslims' feelings were hurt by his remark, but he has never withdrawn his remark,
He has since then visited at least one Muslim country and returned safely.
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Reed, the master obfuscator
written by Kafirwala , July 29, 2012
Reed is at his good old game- of twisting everything and create as much confusion as possible. Here also, he twists everything according to his convenience. So he will twist Pope's words and label it as vulgar. Hundred times his folly has been pointed out to him by various readers, but he will not correct himself or stop his evil game. It is his good fortune that Duh- swamy exited from this site. To poke humor at Reed Wilson's dirty game was his hobby. Reed is now a past master in that game and he excels in it nowadays.
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To Reed Wilson
written by Archpagan , July 29, 2012
You are Koran personified but Ahadis petrified, feigning that the latter do not exist at all. There are Muslims who believe Koran to be a bundle of contradictions and therefore can not be followed. They go by Ahadis alone. You are trying to preach an absurd theory. Can a man survive if his brain is amputated? You are turning out to be schizophrenic old man living in a make-believe world of your own. Tortoise adopt the survival technique of receding into the shell. That is hardly a good strategy for human being
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written by Reed Wilson. , July 30, 2012
Archpagan. You write " You are Koran personified but Ahadis petrified, feigning that the latter do not exist at all".

When petrified how can one say it does not exist?

It is very much existing. It has put Quran behind, though it takes authenticity from Muhammad who is messenger of Quran.

Muslims call it hadis but such fake and absurd literature is amassed in all religions. Torah has virtually no position vs Talmud and Rabbinic writings. Jesus is shown awarding stoning punishment in Gospel. How can John write Gospel?

It demands detailed discussion Archpagan which may hurt feelings of some. I however dont attach so much with religion that I may get hurt on criticism.

I was talking of hatred which is non existent in RW. I hate things which are to be hated.

It is an species of crabs that takes refuge in gastropod shell and is called hermit crab.

I reject your post.
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Master of Obsfocation.
written by Reed Wilson. , July 30, 2012
Kafirwala. Vulgar means Lacking sophistication or good taste; unrefined:

Popes remark as "show me what new..". was unpopelike and vulgar. He soon realized and apologized. Had there been Pope Paul XIV he would have withdrawn his words also. He was meticulous in using words.

It's not a big deal anyway!

Your observation "It is his good fortune that Duh- swamy exited from this site.To poke humor at Reed Wilson's dirty game was his hobby" means you know him more than duh-swami himself. He wrote

Reed influences.

written by Duh Swami , August 13, 2011

Reed has shown some extremely good points here. I have to agree with his point of view and it could be that I have not judged him correctly. I think we would all be better served if we gave Islam a second look from a positive perspective. Thank you Reed".

Is that 'poke humor at Reed Wilson's dirty game was his hobby'?
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@ Malem
written by Brown Superman , July 30, 2012
Thanks Malem. I see how your allah-given brain (equals to my kidney) works.

No wonder one of your wives is always busy at the park, drinking old non-muslims' milk and you know from which bottle it originally comes from. And her excuse is that your permanent soft bottle could supply only air. I am truly amazed.

Why do you Parkie run away from your homeland to your newfound land of infidels? Your wife is putting on weight at one spot due to milk from muslim Parkie men? What else can you expect when you can produce only air. Got it Polygamist?

No point trying to have a double gun when you do not have bullets at all, Senile Old man!
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@ Dwito
written by Brown Superman , July 30, 2012
Yes, not only Mo had no choice but to marry a woman twice married before and worn off totally (she was as old as his mother) but she held his testicles tight that he could not try the hobby of loins' itch. The moment she died, he mounted on almost everyone his hands could reach, including the dead wife of his paternal uncle, the 9 year old child, some farm animals and slave kids of both gender, something Malem, as a Hadith Muslim, feels proud about.
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written by Reed Wilson. , July 30, 2012
I need to be more prolific because my several posts are detained.
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written by Reed Wilson. , July 30, 2012
Kafirwala You observed "It is his good fortune that Duh- swamy exited from this site. To poke humor at Reed Wilson's dirty game was his hobby.

Duh-swami replies:

"Reed influences.

written by Duh Swami , August 13, 2011

Reed has shown some extremely good points here. I have to agree with his point of view and it could be that I have not judged him correctly. I think we would all be better served if we gave Islam a second look from a positive perspective. Thank you Reed".
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Good conduct certificate for Reed Wilson
written by Kafirwala , July 31, 2012
Frankly speaking, I don't remember having seen anything written by Duh_swamy about Reed Wilson on the above lines. If he had indeed written, well and good. You can hang it on your wall, Reed. I don't know under what circumstances Duh issued that clean chit to you and praised Islam. Anyway, for me Islam is an evil and supermacist cult based on hate psychology and is a cancer on the body politic of humanity. It is unworthy of deserving a second look from any perspective. I think Duh must have lost his reasoning power for a minute or so when he issued that clean chit to you and Islam.
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written by Reed Wilson. , July 31, 2012
Mr. Kafirwala. You write "I don't remember having seen anything written by Duh_swamy about Reed Wilson on the above lines.

http://islam-watch.org/authors...l#comments

It is on "On the Question of God and Punishments in Afterlife
Wednesday, 10 August 2011 05:39 M. A. Khan and there are 282 Comments.
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To Reed Wilson
written by lw1 , July 31, 2012
On 29 July you wrote 'I am Quran personified. Do you find any hatred in me?' You may believe you are among a very few Muslims in the world (Muslims who believe in sects and hadith are not Muslims according to your criteria). Should we ignore all the Muslims, (believers in Allah, Mohammad and Quran) who are killing most Muslims and also non-muslims? Where is their hatred coming from? Saddam killed over 100,000 Muslims and Assad might reach the same figure if he stays in power.
You can celebrate if you are 'Quran personified' but we find Muslims with a lot of hatred for non-muslims fed by their Imams and other leaders and the message of Jihad and hatred I see in Quran. You were annoyed when I asked you on which Muslim site you give a message of peace and you had replied if I would like your password (which I had not asked for). Convince Muslims that Quran gives a peaceful message if you believe so(but do not reveal your identity for your safety), but we are peaceful people you want to guide before you guide Muslims who cause trouble.
(You did not write in which article,date, Duh-swamy wrote on August 13, 2011, praising you. Do let us know.)
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written by Reed Wilson. , July 31, 2012
IW1. You have raised questions which have nothing to do Quran and hatred.

It was NOT praising RW. It is on "On the Question of God and Punishments in Afterlife" by MA Khan dated 10 August 2011 There are 282 Comments. I don't think any from IW1.

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written by Reed Wilson. , July 31, 2012
IW1. I have given the URL above.
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To Reed Wilson- Pope only said sorry if Muslims' feelings were hurt
written by lw1 , July 31, 2012
It is your choice if you want to ignore the violence and hatred by Muslims in the world and keep on insisting that it has nothing to do with Quran. Quran is more than 60% hatred and threats.
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'Pope deeply sorry for reactions in some countries.' He said
'At this time I wish also to add that I am deeply sorry for the REACTIONS IN SOME COUNTRIES TO A FEW PASSAGES OF MY ADDRESS at the University of Resenburg WHICH WERE CONSIDERED OFFENSIVE TO THE SENSIBILITY OF MUSLIMS'
I do not consider the Pope's remarks offensive or vulgar -I have reproduced them many times and will continue. You consider them vulgar and that is your right.
But the Muslim leaders in the Mid-east gave mixed reactions to the pontiff's apology. Here is one-
Mohammed al-Nujeimi, a professor at the Institute of Judicial and Islamic Studies in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, criticized the Pope's statement - The Pope does not want to apologize. He is evading apology and what he said to-day is a repetition of his previous statement.' he told Al-Arabiya TV.
He understands that the Pope has not apologized for his statement and I agree.

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To Reed Wilson and Kafirwala
written by lw1 , July 31, 2012
On 30 July Reed Wilson wrote -Duh-swami influences .............written by Duh-swami on 13 August, 2011.
On August 14 2011, Duh-swami wrote
'Reed Allah is playing tricks again .....
The point of his remarks is that somebody pretended to be Duh-swami and put in the post. If Reed Wilson made the effort to find the post of August 13 ,2011, why did he try to hoodwink us and not give the remarks by Duh-swami on 14 August 2011?
Not telling the whole truth is lying.
(From article -'On the Question of God and Punishments in Afterlife -Wednesday, August 10, 2011)
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written by Reed Wilson. , August 01, 2012
IW1. You are right duh-swami wrote all that. These posts are not contradictory.

I was not quoting all his posts, Sir.

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