Thank you, dear friends, ladies and gentlemen, for inviting me to the Western Conservative Summit. It is always a pleasure to come to America. I was here a few weeks ago to meet with my dear friend, congresswoman Michele Bachmann, to talk about Islam and the threat to America and Europe.
It is also a pleasure to be in Denver, the gateway to the West.
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I feel honored to have been invited to address you today about the situation in Europe and in particular in my own country, the Netherlands. This situation serves as a warning to what might happen in America if you fail to be vigilant. As U.S. President Andrew Jackson said: “Remember, my fellow citizens, that eternal vigilance is the price of liberty, and that you must pay the price if you wish to secure the blessing.”
But first, let me start by introducing myself. I am one of the 150 members of the House of Representatives in the Netherlands, a small country of almost 17 million people in Western Europe. I am the leader of the Party for Freedom. My party is the third largest of eleven parties represented in the Dutch parliament.
Perhaps many of you think that life for this politician in the Netherlands resembles the life of the members of your own Congress. Unfortunately, that is not the case. For the past eight years I have been living under 24 hour police protection. Wherever I go, plainclothes policemen go with me. I live in a government safe house, heavily protected and bulletproof.
I am driven every day from the safe house to the Dutch parliament in armored police cars with flashing blue lights.
I have not walked the streets on my own in the past eight years. When I occasionally go to a restaurant or a movie theater, the police will have to check everything first. My wife and I have lived in army barracks and prisons cells just to be safe from assassins.
Why do I need this protection? I am not a president or a king; I am a mere parliamentarian.
I have, however, been marked for death for criticizing Islam. I was placed under police protection in early November 2004 when an Islamic fanatic murdered th Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh because he had criticized Islam. Van Gogh was slaughtered in broad daylight in the streets of Amsterdam. A few hours later, the police found a letter written by the assassin threatening to kill me as well.
What have I done, you might ask, to deserve those death threats? I have candidly expressed my views about Islam.
My views, in a nutshell, are that Islam, rather than a religion, is predominantly a totalitarian ideology striving for world dominance. I believe that Islam and freedom are incompatible.
Some people do not want to hear this message. That is why they threaten to murder everyone who states this truth.
I am not the only one who has been marked for death. The British author Salman Rushdie, the Scandinavian cartoonists Kurt Westergaard and Lars Vilks have all been victims of assassination attempts.
However, if you really love freedom, you have to speak the truth. If not, we will fall victim to Islam, like earlier the people in the Middle East, North Africa, Persia, India and Indonesia fell victim to it. That is why I spoke, why I speak and why I will continue speaking, whatever the consequences: I do not want Europe nor America to become Islamic.
Before I continue I want to make clear that I do not have a problem with Muslims. There are many moderate Muslims. I always make a distinction between the people and the ideology, between Muslims and Islam. There are many moderate Muslims, but there is no such thing as a moderate Islam.
There is only one Islam and it is a dangerous ideology. It is intolerant, it is violent. It should not be tolerated, but should be contained.
In Europe, we are experiencing that if Islam becomes stronger in a society – even when the majority of Muslims are moderates – a society becomes less free and more intolerant of non- Muslims.
Former congressman Tom Tancredo, a native and inhabitant of this great city, whom I visited in his office in Washington in late 2008, once said referring to Miami: I quote “Look at what has happened to Miami. It has become a Third World country. You would never know you’re in the United States of America. You would certainly say you’re in a Third World country.” – end of quote.
The same applies to Europe: Certain parts of our inner cities no longer look like Europe. They look like suburbs of Cairo, Rabat, Algiers, Damascus or Mecca.
As the Muslim population is concentrated in urban areas, many European cities have very large Islamic concentrations. We are confronted with headscarves and burkas, polygamy, female genital mutilation, honor-killings.
During the past three decades, Europe made a fatal mistake. It allowed millions of people from Islamic countries to immigrate into Europe. So many people rooted in a culture entirely different from our own Judeo-Christian and humanist tradition have entered Europe that our heritage, our freedoms, our prosperity and our culture are in danger.
Perhaps, many Americans still believe that Europe is the place they know from a tourist trip or from their grandparents’ stories. This Europe is on the verge of disappearing.
“In each one of our cities” wrote the Italian author Oriana Fallaci shortly before her death in 2006, “there is a second city, a state within the state, a government within the government. A Muslim city, a city ruled by the Koran.” – End of quote.
Perhaps many Americans see immigration as something which is inherently good for a country, since it contributed so much to the United States. But while most of the former immigrants to the United States came from Europe, a continent with the same Judeo-Christian roots as America, Europe’s contemporary immigrants do not share our common roots. On the contrary, the islamization of our society is undermining our Western Judeo-Christian values.
I am not just talking about the threat of terrorism or violence; there is also the phenomenon of non-violent jihad. Europe’s increasingly assertive Islamic lobby has successfully pressured European politicians into implementing pro-Islamic policies and adopting elements of Islamic Sharia law.
The number of people who organize their lives according to Islamic requirements is growing, especially among young people. Among 15-year-old German Muslims, 40 percent consider Islam more important than democracy. Among Muslim university students in Britain, 40 percent support Sharia. One in three of those students consider it legitimate to kill in the name of Islam.
The rise of Islam also means the rise of sharia law in our judicial systems. In Europe we have sharia wills, sharia schools, sharia banks. The introduction of elements of sharia law in our societies creates a system of legal apartheid. Sharia law systematically discriminates groups of people. I will give you some examples.
Britain has official sharia courts. One of these courts settled an inheritance dispute involving a man whose estate had to be divided between his children. It gave the sons twice as much as the daughters, in accordance with the Koranic pronouncement that a woman is only worth half a man.
In my own country, the Netherlands, sharia is being applied – I know that it is hard to believe but sadly it is true – by the Dutch courts.
This is a disgrace. In our civilization, men and women are treated as equals before the law.
Ladies and gentlemen, make no mistake: Islam is also coming for America. Indeed, it has already arrived. Your country, too, is facing a stealth jihad – an Islamic attempt to introduce sharia law bit by bit. Islam demands separate campus housing for Muslims; Islam demands that women have separate hours in gyms and swimming pools; schools are banning Christmas celebrations and are taking pork off their cafeteria menus to avoid offending Muslim students. And courts – even in America, we have seen an example in Florida – have begun to apply sharia law.
Be aware that this is only the beginning.
If we do not stop the Islamization, we will lose everything: our identity, our culture, our democratic constitutional state, our freedom and our civilization. In Europe we are already losing the right to free speech, the right to criticize Islam.
What we need, my friends, is a spirit of resistance. Resistance to evil is our moral duty. This resistance begins with expressing our solidarity to all Christians, all Jews, all non-Muslims, all Muslim apostates, all people, who are the victims of Islam.
We can see what Islam has in store for us if we watch the fate of the Christians in the Islamic world, such as the Copts in Egypt, the Maronites in Lebanon, the Assyrians in Iraq, and Christians elsewhere, such as the brave Christian people in Nigeria. Almost every day, churches are arsoned and Christians are assassinated in Islamic countries. Even in so-called moderate countries such as Turkey and Indonesia, Christians face discrimination and humiliation on a daily basis.
The cause of all this Christian suffering is Islam. Rivers of tears are flowing from the Middle East, where there is only one safe haven for Christians. Indeed, the only place in the Middle East where Christians are safe to be Christians is Israel. This is why Israel deserves the support of Christians worldwide. Israel is the canary in the coal mine. If Israel cannot exist in peace, none of us can.
Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. It is a safe haven for everyone. It is a beacon of light in an area of total darkness. If Israel falls, we, too, will feel the consequences. As a matter of fact Israel is fighting our fight. Mothers in the West can sleep safely because Israeli mothers at night worry about their sons in the army.
We all are Israel. We should all support Israel because Islam’s so-called “holy war” against Israel is a war against all of us.
In March 2008, I released Fitna, a 15 minute documentary about the Koran and the threat of Islamization in the Netherlands. While at that time I was invited by Senator Jon Kyl to show Fitna to colleagues in the US Senate, the screening of my movie was banned by the European Parliament. The British government even barred me from entering the United Kingdom on the day that I was invited to show Fitna in the House of Lords.
Later in 2008, leftist, liberal and Islamic organizations in the Netherlands brought me to court over Fitna. They accused me of group insult and incitement to hatred and discrimination. I was prosecuted for merely stating my opinion about Islam. Fortunately, I was acquitted on all charges, but the legal ordeal lasted almost three years. Imagine a member of parliament having to deal with a court case for 3 years. That is an enormous cost of time, energy and money. The court ultimately acquitted me because I had criticized Islam, not Muslims, and because, as an elected politician participating in a public debate, I was entitled to greater freedom of speech than everyday citizens.
Ladies and gentlemen, dear friends, it is important that we realize how the West got into the present situation.
It is partly our own fault because we have foolishly adopted the ideology of multiculturalism. I use the term “multiculturalism” to refer to cultural relativism. This is the biggest disease of politically correct Europe and even America today. This is the crazy idea that all cultures are equal. Of course they are not. Our culture based on Christianity, Judaism and humanism is far better, far superior to the Islamic culture. We should not be afraid but proud to say so.
Cultural relativism is weakening the West day by day. Government leaders, lawyers, judges, churches, trade unions, media, academia, charities – all of them are blinded by political correctness and are condoning Islam. As a result of cultural relativism a little bit of the free West dies each day.
Multiculturalism is a disaster. Multiculturalism has been such an enormous catastrophe because it has been a tool to promote Islam – an ideology that threatens our core values, such as tolerance.
Multiculturalism made us open our borders to those who cannot be assimilated; it made us tolerate the intolerant, and now intolerance is annihilating tolerance. We should, in the name of tolerance, claim the right not to tolerate the people who are intolerant to us anymore; we should, in the name of self-preservation, not allow those who refuse to assimilate to our values to enter our countries anymore.
My dear friends, I am not a pessimist. We can still turn the tide – even in Europe – if we act today.
There are four measures that we must take.
First, we must tell people what is at stake. In Western Europe freedom of speech is being restricted at the demand of adherents of Islam and their collaborators. If Christianity is insulted it is considered a form of art, if Islam is insulted it is hate crime.
There is reason for concern if the erosion of our freedom of speech is the price we must pay to accommodate Islam. There is reason for concern if those who deny that Islam is a problem do not grant us the right to debate the issue and speak the truth.
This is our first and most important obligation: Defend the right to speak what we see as the truth. That is why we in Europe need to follow America’s example and introduce a European First Amendment. But once we have the right the speak the truth, we need to use that right. The latter is also a message to you in America: Speak the truth, even when it’s uncomfortable, even when it’s not politically correct, even if we receive death threats. The truth cannot be compromised.
Second, we must end cultural relativism. We should not be afraid to say who we are and to know who we are not. We must proudly proclaim that our Judeo-Christian values are far better and superior than the Islamic values.
Third, we must stop the islamization process. More Islam means more intolerance, more Sharia and less freedom. We must stop immigration from Islamic countries, we must expel criminal immigrants, we must forbid the construction of new mosques. There is enough Islam in the West already.
Fourth, we must take pride in our nations again. We must demand that immigrants accept our values, and not the other way round. What we call home is more than a place on the map. It is our belonging to a community of values, a community of ideas and ideals.
My friends, you and I, Americans and Europeans, we belong to a common Western culture. We share the values and ideals of our common heritage. In order to preserve our nations and our homes, in order to pass our heritage on to our children, in order to survive, we must stand together. Otherwise we will be submerged in the uniform Nation of Islam. That is what we do not want to happen.
Indeed, We must defend our own civilization. Ronald Reagan said that “the future doesn’t belong to the fainthearted.” And Reagan was right. We must be brave, or we will be swamped by totalitarianism.
It is a constant struggle to preserve our faith, our family, our freedom.
But we owe it to our children.
That is why we must stand firm.
We will not submit to Islam. Never.
We will survive with our own Judeo-Christian heritage.
We will defend our freedoms.
We will speak the truth.
Because we stand for the truth.
And the truth will set us free.
Thank you.
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http://imagine2050.newcomm.org/2012/07/06/geert-wilders-quotes-tancredo-miami-is-a-third-world-country/
http://www.loonwatch.com/tag/tom-tancredo/
written by HARKAT UL JIHAD EI KAFIROOON , July 07, 2012
the poison of hateful monoathism started by jews is spread by xtian jihadis.now world is under threat from hateful monoathism.
written by Walter Sieruk , July 07, 2012
written by dead or alive , July 07, 2012
written by 1proudkaffur4life , July 07, 2012
Well so what if someone said something which turns out not to be correct? We people can change our opinion or rectify an error. Or some even exaggerate to make a certain point?
Certain areas in Vienna TODAY looks a lot more like Istanbul than the Vienna I know over 30 years ago.
Yet the Koooraan is full of errors, or why should one take a "messenger" of allah serios who admitted to have mistaken Satan's words as coming from his "stoned-gawd"? If allah would be really serious about giving humankind the "correct" version of his "eternal" truth, its about time he comes trough with it now......
written by balam , July 08, 2012
written by kope , July 08, 2012
you already know that muslims dont have miltary power but islam is more powerful then your nukes and christianity is based on dumb theology so islam powerful religion to take over the west
written by Guy Macher , July 08, 2012
written by dead or alive , July 08, 2012
written by Archpagan , July 08, 2012
Islam is really at the mercy of infidels. If the infidels of America so desire, they can march onto your Kaaba and do their own "Labba Ek".
written by peace lover , July 08, 2012
we stand for the truth.
And the truth will set us free.
so anybody, any religion or any nation is not ready for democratic dialog means they are afraid of truth hence truth is not with them so
(the real) The God
written by kope , July 08, 2012
written by fineliving56 , July 08, 2012
Good job
written by kope , July 08, 2012
since 911 islam is spreading faster then before 911
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbKqqai1V-c
written by Reed Wilson , July 08, 2012
نَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَالَّذِينَ هَادُوا وَالنَّصَارَىٰ وَالصَّابِئِينَ مَنْ آمَنَ بِاللَّـهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَعَمِلَ صَالِحًا فَلَهُمْ أَجْرُهُمْ عِندَ رَبِّهِمْ وَلَا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ
"Indeed, believers and those who are Jews or Christians or Sabeans - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve".
Those killing them unlawfully will go to hell. A muslim is only allowed to kill one who comes to kill him. Let me recite Quran 2:190 for you
وَقَاتِلُوا فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّـهِ الَّذِينَ يُقَاتِلُونَكُمْ وَلَا تَعْتَدُوا ۚ إِنَّ اللَّـهَ لَا يُحِبُّ الْمُعْتَدِينَ
"Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors".
written by Reed Wilson , July 08, 2012
written by Yibel , July 08, 2012
47.21 Obedience and a gentle word (was proper); but when the affair becomes settled, then if they remain true to Allah it would certainly be better for them.
47.35 And be not slack so as to cry for peace and you have the upper hand, and Allah is with you, and He will not bring your deeds to naught.
48.16 Say to those of the dwellers of the desert who were left behind: You shall soon be invited (to fight) against a people possessing mighty prowess; you will fight against them until they submit; then if you obey, Allah will grant you a good reward; and if you turn back as you turned back before, He will punish you with a painful punishment.
48.17 There is no harm in the blind, nor is there any harm in the lame, nor is there any harm in the sick (if they do not go forth); and whoever obeys Allah and His Apostle, He will cause him to enter gardens beneath which rivers flow, and whoever turns back, He will punish him with a painful punishment.
48.18 Certainly Allah was well pleased with the believers when they swore allegiance to you under the tree, and He knew what was in their hearts, so He sent down tranquillity on them and rewarded them with a near victory,
48.19 And many acquisitions which they will take; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.
48.20 Allah promised you many acquisitions (booty) which you will take, then He hastened on this one for you and held back the hands of men from you, and that it may be a sign for the believers and that He may guide you on a right path.
48.21 And others which you have not yet been able to achieve Allah has surely encompassed them, and Allah has power over all things.
48.22 And if those who disbelieve fight with you, they would certainly turn (their) backs, then they would not find any protector or a helper.
48.29 Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah, and those with him are firm of heart against the unbelievers, compassionate among themselves; you will see them bowing down, prostrating themselves, seeking grace from Allah and pleasure; their marks are in their faces because of the effect of prostration; that is their description in the Taurat and their description in the Injeel;...
(The mark on their foreheads in Rev 13:16, beast of Dan 7)
written by kope , July 08, 2012
written by fineliving56 , July 08, 2012
Fear ?! ….
Fear is not love !!
If they are going into Islam, it is so , not because of love for Ilsam it is because of * fear *
Tell me Kope …why there are over 19000 Islamic terrorist attracts and attempted terrorist attacks in the world since 9/11 ….far from ever before .9/11.
Why there was 54 of these Islamic attacks and attempted attacks, just in the thirty days of month of June that just past ….
Why, since 9/11, there was hardly any success of killing in America like on a scale of 9/11 ??? …..
Isn't it because world's eyes are wide open and they are catching and swatting, filthy Muslims who are attempting to harm innocent people, like you swat flies that flies over your garbage … Kope
It seems that you are taunting the non Muslims by expressing joy in the tragedy of 9/11 … aren't you concerned that Home land security are already in search of your name and your address ?….
written by Reed Wilson , July 08, 2012
Yes you said so. Muslims can be white also.
written by kope , July 09, 2012
written by kope , July 09, 2012
911 turn out to be good for muslims
911 was necissary for to remove dictator saddam hussain
removing dictator saddam hussain was necissary to removing ALL DICTATORS in muslims's countries,
removing ALL dictators in muslims's countries was necissary to improving education and economic
improving education and economic is necissary to stop invader killing us
god works mysterious way
written by fineliving56 , July 09, 2012
You are such …. a … Muslim
Have you seen the killing is done by Muslim sunni and Shiites hands in Syria, lately … you must be enjoying the news !!
9/11 was a tragedy that should not have happened and it could have been avoided if the west was sitting in watch of … WHO they are letting in to live among them from the Muslim world … … The west had planty of warnings to worn against the Islamic hate and envy …but we are in a different times now … Muslims are under radar … 9/11 will not be allowed to happen here again …
You are laughing at the murdered 9/11 ?! ….. good job … keep it up …. expose your sick Muslim heart and mind
written by fineliving56 , July 09, 2012
BTW ….. The word * Muslim* is a curse word in my book …… just for future clarification
Laugh at your self first …I will take Geert wilder word before I ever think of trust any Muslim … and I was one of them .
X
written by kope , July 09, 2012
what geert wilders want to ban islam and deport all muslims right?
do you think liberal let him ban islam and deport all muslims without chalenge? nuts fasciests like you have to kill liberals and homo and atheists if you do that then they will kill you, i am talking about next white's world war three
lol
written by fineliving56 , July 09, 2012
Look pee Muslim brain … Before anything like this happen, people, will wake up to your goals … and they will not destroy them selves over you … your dreams is not going to happen …
The billions of dollars going to Muslims will have to stop trickling and …. we will see how pathetically, you Muslims will be begging .
I am a women …. ex Muslilmah ……. so… don't call me …'' man ''
written by fineliving56 , July 09, 2012
Who can stay Muslims while they learn, their pedophile prophet in nothing but a pathetic too bit criminal … if he had lived in this day and age, he would have got the chair …
Ex Muslim are in fact the only ones who are smart enough to leave Islam because they are too ashamed to stay and do not condone such sick acts Your Muhammad committed in the name of Islam .
You are too dumb to leave Islam .
written by fineliving56 , July 09, 2012
Are you disappointed when I say the bad luck to be born to Islam … not Christianity …
BTW … Your statement tells of a conceded person who look down on others people from different religions like Christians.
Tell us Kope …
why your fake prophet Muhammad killed, robbed and raped captured women after he killed their males family members ?
written by Dwito , July 09, 2012
muslims are not white nor black or brown, only jews killer are whites
Reed, Kope is not a fake Muslim like you. He is a true muzzie. Try to understand him now.
written by Yibel , July 10, 2012
Islam is not a ‘religion’ in the ordinary sense of the word. "Religion"is the English equivalent for the Arabic word "mazhah," which does not occur even once in the whole of the Qur'an. The Qur'an, instead, uses the word "addeen" which means "a particular way of life."
One can only judge a tree by the kind of fruit it produces: the fruit produced by Islam is a very poisoned fruit indeed. The founder of Islam, a self-appointed so-called prophet of a gawd he eventually called "allah" was an evil plunderer of caravans, who practiced rape, murder, genocide, fornication and pedophilia; a man who waged war upon followers of other religions, had his detractors assassinated, and advocated warfare against the whole world.
Muhammad instructed his followers to conquer the world BY THE SWORD and to RULE IT WITH TERROR. On page 672 (992 in the Arabic) of the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, Muhammad says: "kill those who disbelieve in ALLAH."
written by kope , July 10, 2012
may be you are cow piss drinking hindu?
written by kope , July 10, 2012
Reed, Kope is not a fake Muslim like you. He is a true muzzie. Try to understand him now.;;;;;;;;
actualy i mean to say jews's killers are whites
written by pipo , July 10, 2012
Pim Fortuyn (a gay scientist/politician), Theo van Gogh (a straight artist/filmmaker) and Hirshi Ali (ex-Muslima MP for the Socialist party and later for the Liberals). Fortuyn was assassinated by a conservative green activist and Van Gogh by a muslim fanatic. The only thing these three people had in common was the fact that they were LIBERALS, with big capital letters, and critical of Islam.
Also Geert Wilders is a liberal but also a populist, most of his proposals are unrealistic and impracticable. Hirsh Ali took a distance from him already in 2010 and last week his Freedom Party began to fall apart when some MP's turned their backs on mr. Wilders.
His role in Dutch politcis is very likely over since he is increasingly isolated and nobody wants to work with him.
Secularisation of muslims in The Netherlands is in full swing ... not thanks to mr. Wilders but inspite of him.
So, Kope ... don't mix up Liberals and Socialists, there is a difference; where I come from Liberals tend to be very critical of Islam while Socialists try to defend it with their relativism and hush-hush policy.
written by Archpagan , July 10, 2012
5:60 Then say: "Should I inform you of those, who will have even worse recompense from Allah than the transgressors? They are those whom Allah has cursed; who have been under His wrath; some of whom were turned into apes and swine; who worshiped taghut [the devil or idols]; those are the people who are in a far worse plight and who have turned farthest away from the Right Way."
written by Yibel , July 10, 2012
The Almohads (1147-1269), also from Morocco, were even more fanatical then the Almoravids. After they conquered the Almoravids in Morocco, they included part of Spain in their empire, and the persecution and death of Christians and Jews increased.
kope - The killers of jews are the muslims...Qur'an 5:82 tells the muslim that the jews are his worst enemies. Muhammad said: "Judgment Day will come when the Muslims fight the Jews and the stones and the trees will say: Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him."
written by abc , July 10, 2012
You guys wrote the blood soaked manual. Especially when the wretched church accepted "Jews killed Jesus" dogma!
written by Jye , July 10, 2012
written by abc , July 10, 2012
Right from day one they killed Jews.
Oh wait thats an oxymoron do the dead people were not real!
Jye you moron!
written by Reed Wilson , July 11, 2012
Who abrogated? But they are there in the book. Verse 5:60 which you quote does not include Jews, Christians, pagan etc. Do you think Jews, Christians, pagan etc are swine and apes?
I told you that there are Muslims among Hindus, Jews, Christian etc according to definition of Muslims in Quran. In Quran we find Moses as Muslim and Jesus as Muslim. Isnt it?
written by kope , July 11, 2012
who put jews in gas chamber?
your filty white ancestors
written by Kuro-chan , July 11, 2012
written by Dwito , July 11, 2012
written by Archpagan , July 11, 2012
"Such of our revelation as we abrogate or cause to be forgotten, we bring (in place) one better or the like thereof."
So, 2:62 is a "vestigial" verse. Verse No. 5:80/5:82 and 2:106 can not operate simultaneously, of course, if your Allah is not a moron.
written by Yibel , July 12, 2012
abc, "That Jews killed Jesus" stuff is a Roman Catholic thing - not all Xians are Roman Catholics. I am NOT Roman Catholic, and my faith does NOT say that Jews killed Jesus/Yah'shua. He died willingly for MY sins and for that I am eternally grateful. FYI, it was the Romans who crucified him, not the Jews. In addition, the Emperor Constantine invented the Catholic Church. Catholic is Latin for Universal. In this church of his he included all the accepted faiths of his day. Christianity only got in because of his mother Helena, who was a convert to Christianity. Constantine was was a pagan Roman ruler and only baptised on his death bed. He disliked Jews, as did most Romans of his day, which is why they were not included in his Universal Church. BTW, what does [141:2] refer to?
Reed Wilson, "In Quran we find Moses as Muslim and Jesus as Muslim."
Moses was an Israelite/Hebrew of the tribe of Levy and Jesus was a Jew from the Israelite tribe of Judah. Islam, hence Muslims, did not exist until Muhammad created/invented IT/them. A Muslim - by Qur'anic definition - is a believer in Muhammad's invented gawd Allah and must also believe in Muhammad as his messenger. Moses and Jesus/Yahshua believed in YHVH whose name is written over 6800 times in the Bible; whereas, the names Allah and Muhammad do NOT occur, even once.
written by kope , July 12, 2012
basiccally all whites are evil by nature those who follow christianity wheater white man leaves in america or germany
white man spreading his immoral culture around the world
you are a cancer to the world
written by Dwito , July 12, 2012
you are a cancer to the world
Thanks Kope. We are willing to be. By the way, here I take the word YOU in a generalized definition for all of us, educated independent free-thinkers, and THE WORLD means Islamic world. We are spreading fast like wild fire, and will destroy the sick body of Islam very soon. Lol!!!!!!!!!!
written by Yibel , July 12, 2012
Meanwhile, here on planet earth, the satanic Ayatollah al-Khomeini himself once gave this lovely fatwah: "A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual acts such as foreplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man's four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl's sister."
written by Reed Wilson , July 13, 2012
Islam/Muslim- It is derived from the Arabic verb Aslama meaning to Submit to (the will of the one and only Allah). It is the religion PAR EXCELLENCE of SUBMISSION and a follower of Islam is called a Muslim.
Contrary to all the deliberate and mendacious claims by the current followers of Muhammad, ISLAM means SUBMISSION only, and has nothing to do with PEACE which is SALAM.
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3:67 Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian but he was true in faith and bowed his will to Allah's (which is Islam) [Hanifa Musliman] and he joined not gods with Allah.
In fact, the Quran itself asserts, that all and every Israelite or Jew is a Muslim:
2: "127 And remember Abraham and Isma`il raised the foundations of the House (with this prayer): "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us for thou art the All-Hearing the All-Knowing.
128 "Our Lord! Make of us Muslims [Muslimeen] bowing to Thy (Will) and of our progeny a people Muslim [ummata Muslimata] bowing to Thy (Will) and show us our places for the celebration of (due) rites; and turn unto us (in mercy); for Thou art the Oft-Returning most-Merciful.
131. Behold! His Lord said to him: "Bow (thy will to me)" [aslima] He said: "I bow (my will) to [aslamtu] the Lord and Cherisher of the universe."
132. And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons and so did Jacob; "O my sons! Allah hath chosen the faith for you; then die not except in the faith of Islam [Muslimoona]"
133. Were you witnesses when death appeared before Jacob? Behold, he said to his sons: "What will ye worship after me?" They said: "We shall worship thy Allah and the Allah of thy fathers of Abraham Isma`il and Isaac the one (true) Allah to Him we bow (in Islam) [Muslimoona]"
134 That was a People that have passed away. They shall reap the fruit of what they did and you of what you do! of their merits there is no question in your case!
135 They say: "Become Jews or Christians if you would be guided (to salvation)." Say thou: "Nay! the religion of Abraham the true [Hanifan] and he joined not gods with Allah."
136. Say ye: "We believe in Allah and the revelation given to us and to Abraham Isma`il Isaac Jacob and the Tribes [Israelites] and that given to Moses and Jesus and that given to (all) Prophets from their Lord we make no difference between one and another of them and we bow to Allah (in Islam)[Muslimoon]"
Cont.
written by Reed Wilson , July 13, 2012
3:64 Say: "O people of the Book! Come to common terms as between us and you: that we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not from among ourselves Lords and patrons other than Allah." If then they turn back say: "Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's will) [Muslimoona]."
3:84 Say: "We believe in Allah and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham Isma'il Isaac Jacob and the Tribes [Israelites] and in (Books) given to Moses Jesus and the Prophets from their Lord; we make no distinction between one and another among them and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islam) [Muslimoona]"
3: 85 If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah) never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good).
4: 163 We have sent thee inspiration as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him; We sent inspiration to Abraham Ismail Isaac Jacob and the Tribes to Jesus Job Jonah Aaron and Solomon and to David We gave the Psalms.
5: 5 This day are (all) things good and pure made lawful unto you. The food of the People of the Book is lawful unto you and yours is lawful unto them. (Lawful unto you in marriage) are (not only) chaste women who are believers but chaste women among the People of the Book revealed before your time when you give them their due dowers and desire chastity not lewdness nor secret intrigues. If anyone rejects faith fruitless is his work and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good).
5: 44 It was We who revealed the law (to Moses); therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews by the Prophets who bowed (as in Islam) [Aslamoo] to Allah's will by the Rabbis and the doctors of Law: for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's Book and they were witnesses thereto: therefore fear not men but fear Me and sell not My Signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed they are (no better than) unbelievers.
22: 78 And strive in His cause as ye ought to strive (with sincerity and under discipline): He has chosen you and has imposed no difficulties on you in religion; it is the cult of your father Abraham. It is He Who has named you Muslims both before and in this (Revelation); that the Apostle may be a witness for you and ye be witnesses for mankind! So establish regular Prayer give regular Charity and hold fast to Allah! He is your Protector the Best to protect and the Best to help!cont.
written by Reed Wilson , July 13, 2012
29: 46 "And dispute ye not with the People of the Book except with means better (than mere disputation) unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury): but say "We believe in the Revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one; and it is to Him we bow (in Islam) [Muslimoona]."
42: 13 The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah----the which We have sent by inspiration to thee----and that which We enjoined on Abraham Moses and Jesus: Namely that ye should remain steadfast in Religion and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. Allah chooses to Himself those whom He pleases and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him).
Hence, according to many verses of the Quran, all Israelites and Jews are Muslimoon/ Muslims, believing in the one Allah. This should not be a surprise to the Jews of the Mosaic faith since their forefathers, the Hebrews and later the Israelites were obviously the first to conceive of, believe in, and submit to, the will of the One and Only God; the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.
It is also a corollary that to be a Muslim, is independent of the belief that Muhammad was the messenger of Allah nor in the contents of the Quran since all of the above leaders/prophets did not know of either of them. It was only for the pagan Arabs and other pagans that it was incumbent to believe in Muhammad as the messenger of Allah, just as it was incumbent upon the Israelites to believe that Moses was the Prophet of God.
That is why; a clear and unambiguous distinction must be made by the terms: MUSLIM and MUHAMMADAN (Followers of Muhammad). Any MONOTHEIST is a Muslim but not all Muslims are Muhammadans; some Muslims are of the Mosaic faith (Moussawi); some are Hanifs and in fact, any Christian who believes that Jesus was only a prophet but not the son of God, such as Unitarian Christians, is also a Muslim. Cont.
written by Reed Wilson , July 13, 2012
Since Jesus and his disciples were of the faith of the Jews, then obviously they were pure monotheists and hence automatically MUSLIMS: believers in the One and Only God.
3: 52 When Jesus found unbelief on their part he said: "Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah?" Said the Disciples: "We are Allah's helpers we believe in Allah and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims [Muslimoon].
3: 136 Say ye: "We believe in Allah and the revelation given to us and to Abraham Isma`il Isaac Jacob and the Tribes [Israelites] and that given to Moses and Jesus and that given to (all) Prophets from their Lord we make no difference between one and another of them and we bow to Allah (in Islam)[Muslimoon]"
4: 171 O people of the Book! commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an Apostle of Allah and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Apostles. Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One Allah: glory be to him: (for Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.
Every prophet sent by Allah was a MUSLIM
5: 46 And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary confirming the law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light and confirmation of the law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.
5: 111 "And behold! I inspired the Disciples to have faith in Me and Mine Apostle: they said `We have faith and do thou bear witness that we bow to Allah as Muslims' [Muslimoona]"
33: 7 And remember We took from the Prophets their Covenant as (We did) from thee: from Noah Abraham Moses and Jesus the son of Mary: We took from them a solemn Covenant.
Conclusion-
Any creature from anywhere in the Universe who declares belief in the One and Only God, is automatically a MUSLIM.
written by kope , July 13, 2012
read my blog how christianity turning all christians into sodomites
http://hfghj23458654fgha.xanga.com/
written by Archpagan , July 13, 2012
Our scriptures says -
Gita: 4.11: All who in whatever way surrender unto me, I reward them accordingly; all mankind follows my path.
9.23: O Arjuna, those who worship devotedly different Gods faithfully; they also worship Me only; but in an indirect way.
9.29: I am equally disposed to all living entities; THERE IS NEITHER FRIEND NOR FOE TO ME, but those who with loving sentiments render devotional service unto Me, such persons are in Me and I am in them.
Ideals of those verses are ingrained in the Hindu psyche. We, unequivocally debunk the idea of 'chosen people' or 'covenant with God'. Issue of Monotheism is quite unimportant to us. Are we Muslim still according to you?
written by Reed Wilson , July 13, 2012
You ask "Ideals of those verses are ingrained in the Hindu psyche. We, unequivocally debunk the idea of 'chosen people' or 'covenant with God'. Issue of Monotheism is quite unimportant to us. Are we Muslim still according to you?
Not according to me. I have given what Quran says about a Muslim, in detail. Judgment is yours. There is no labeling. Lord only knows our inner. I always say that there are Muslims AMONG Hindus. By your recitation I can guess that the message is same for all.
written by Islam-Watach Pastor , July 13, 2012
If Abraham was not a Jew was he an Arab/, a Japanese or a chemise? In Gen 14: 13 " ¶ And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these were confederate with Abram.
Hebrew is the Language spoken by the Jews up to today, so the Quran is again wrong Abraham was a Jew and not an Arab his religion is Judaism up to today. How can divine scriptures be ignorant of history? Human historian can do better than the Quran. If history is muddled up, is it prophesies that the Quran can get it right?
It is a pity that intelligent people like Reed still trust such garbage as scriptures and has the audacity to be quoting it for us here.
My friend I thought you have apostatized and become a Christian since you disappeared for while; I am surprise seeing your long post trying to defend your hate creed called the Quran.
Cheers.
written by Archpagan , July 13, 2012
written by Reed Wilson , July 13, 2012
No my dear I was not trying to defend Quran. I was answering Yibel who wrote "A Muslim - by Qur'anic definition - is a believer in Muhammad's invented gawd Allah and must also believe in Muhammad as his messenger". I gave what Quran says. Yibel is satisfied. You got impatient.
Clement, our IW people stop my comments and even browsing. This time second time. I could access thru anonymouse but cout could not communicate wtih you. Thanks for your concern.
written by Reed Wilson , July 14, 2012
written by kope , July 14, 2012
written by Islam-Watch Pastor , July 14, 2012
It may interest you that I have taken sometimes to collate some of our debate here in IW into a book which I call the Great debate. Especially my debate with Du-Swami, Read Wilson, ArchPagan, Fairoz, Fineliving56, Malem, with supporters like Yibel and Cerebrum123 which took place between June and August2011
I am yet to publish it but if you are interest to have a look at it and may be make a comment you can contact me on This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it '> This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it , I am also writing a book tittle 300REASONS WHY WE REJECT QURAN AS THE WORD OF GOD.
I sure Reed Wilson will be interested to read such a book
Regards
written by kope , July 14, 2012
will islam stop spreading in the west after your book?
written by Reed Wilson , July 14, 2012
I dont remember if duh-swami ever made unbecoming remarks about Islam. His thought is quite superior.
It interests me that you have taken sometime to collate some of our debate here in IW into a book which you call the Great debate. Especially your debate with Du-Swami, Read Wilson, ArchPagan, Fairoz, Fineliving56, Malem, with supporters like Yibel and Cerebrum123 which took place between June and August 2011. I think you have taken much longer in collation of our deliberation of three months only. It is quite 'sometime'.
I hope the book will receive appreciation of such people who like such books. I can safely wish you luck. I may call it great debate.
written by Islam-Watch Pastor , July 14, 2012
You know,oneof the greatest enemy of Islam is knowledge, Mohammed hated knowledge, apart from the fact that himself was an illiterate fellow, he did not want any of his followers to have knowledge. In fact he forbid ed them from asking too mush questions, threatening them of the danger of loosing there faith.
In other words, the more you expose, evil cult religion, imparting knowledge to the deluded, the more they loose their faith. In case you don't know, there are more people leaving Islam than people coming into Islam apart from Biological growth rate.
We Christians, we are not ordered to wage war against all mankind until all people become Christians like Islam is ordered to, but we are commanded to love and preach the goods of man’s salvation through Jesus Christ the savior to the whole world persuasively not through violent. We are not even permitted to retaliate in the midst of provocation and opposition. But to tell the truth in Love, because it is the truth that can set people free from the wrath of God that is to come.
Mr Kope , Imparting the knowledge of the truth of God ‘s true word is our guns and bombs which is far more power than the suicide bombs, guns and physical war fare which Islam uses to cow and keep people under it cult. Internet has broken the bondage of Islam because of knowledge that is reaching the ignorant of majority of the cult religion. Islam is an endangered species that will soon go into extinction, like, the likes of Communism and Nazism, the known evil political system of which Islam is one. Only that it’s under the cover of a religion. This will soon be exposed to the world that Islam is actually a political system and not a religion. This can only happen through the know knowledge of the truth, that is preached here and in many books. My book is going to contribute to the demines of Islam.
Do you understand, my deluded friend.
written by Reed Wilson , July 15, 2012
قَالَ عِفْرِيتٌ مِّنَ الْجِنِّ أَنَا آتِيكَ بِهِ قَبْلَ أَن تَقُومَ مِن مَّقَامِكَ ۖ وَإِنِّي عَلَيْهِ لَقَوِيٌّ أَمِينٌ ﴿٣٩﴾ قَالَ الَّذِي عِندَهُ عِلْمٌ مِّنَ الْكِتَابِ أَنَا آتِيكَ بِهِ قَبْلَ أَن يَرْتَدَّ إِلَيْكَ طَرْفُكَ ۚ فَلَمَّا رَآهُ مُسْتَقِرًّا عِندَهُ قَالَ هَـٰذَا مِن فَضْلِ رَبِّي لِيَبْلُوَنِي أَأَشْكُرُ أَمْ أَكْفُرُ ۖ وَمَن شَكَرَ فَإِنَّمَا يَشْكُرُ لِنَفْسِهِ ۖ وَمَن كَفَرَ فَإِنَّ رَبِّي غَنِيٌّ كَرِيمٌ
"A crafty jinn said: "I will bring it before you rise from your seat, for I am strong and trustworthy." But one who had knowledge of the letter, said: "I will bring it to you in the twinkling of an eye." When Solomon saw it before him, he said: "This is by the grace of my Lord that He may test me whether I am grateful or I am thankless. Yet if one is grateful, he is grateful for himself, and if one is thankless, then surely my Lord is not concerned and is magnanimous." 27:39-40.
Muhammad of Quran was not illiterate. Bani Israel called all others as Ummi or uncivilized. Quran says that Muhammad could read and write.
written by kope , July 15, 2012
i know your and all christians fear that islam
here is i wrote for atheist forum
http://www.freeratio.org/showthread.php?t=311990
Can Christianity be saved?
i believe that atheism will takeover christianity in next few decades, the only way to save christianity from atheism is to bring changed in christian's doctrine of nicene creed that would be that jesus is human not divine being and prophet of god, this will confused christians but this is the ONLY way to save christianity from atheism taking over. the reason christians became atheist because of in the age of science and modern education plus freedom to reject god, today's christians cant believe that god have to became a man eat/sh*t and have to die for SIN of man, this is reason christians rejecting not just christianity but god itself.
since human cant lives by bread alone and confort of fairy tales atheism will bond to failed. human's desire for comfort so islam will takeover atheism.
why i am a muslim trying to save christianity?
because diversity of philosophy about life is important for survival of human race. ALL religious civilization contributed to human prograss, existence of only one religion would not be good for human race. in quran Allah said that he created many race of people and allow diversity of religions so human learn from eachother not despised eachother.
atheism offer nothing for human race except self delusion like freethinker, bright, rational, science lovers.
clash of civilizations is over now christians's ASKED muslims to save christianity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QLl4w4HuLM
here is six predictions i wrote long time ago becaming true you may enjoy
how long this judeo-christian's sex craze culture will survive?
forever?
next hundread year?
NO, this sex craze culture will not survive next 1, 2, 3, 4, decades
here is my six predictions
first. gay sex, porn, abortion, immigrants, bikini and other skin revealing clothing will be ban in christendom to save western pervert civilisation.
secound. a civil war between left-wing liberal and right-wing/ conservative christians and jews as always automatically sides with the left-wing atheistic liberal.
third. christians will ask muslims to support them in their fight with atheistic liberal
fourth. christians will blame on jews for destroying their pervert civilisation and start slaughtering the jews
fifth. jews will ask muslims to save them from christians
sixth. after bloody civil war christian's "MASS" conversion to islam.
for more detail about my predictions read my blog
http://hfghj23458654fgha.xanga.com/
written by Archpagan , July 15, 2012
I am thrilled to learn that my name found place alongside duh_ swami and Reed Wilson in your upcoming book. Many thanks. I bow to your dedication, perseverance, devotion and focus to your cherished goal . I wish you every success.
@ kope
I had no idea that you are an astrologer too. I studied astrology for a few years but gave up because it requires life-long efforts and devotion. Atheism, Rationalism, love for science have permeated the Hindu and the Buddhists community also. So, it's practically an walk-over for you to occupy the theistic space. ME TOO LOVE ALLAH. But, can you offer me a convincing proof that Koran contains messages direct from Allah's mouth and valid for all time to come. I can also claim to have received message from Allah. Why my claim is no proof, but Mo's all proof.
written by kope , July 15, 2012
islam is not for you, enjoy your gods made of mud
written by Archpagan , July 15, 2012
written by fineliving56 , July 15, 2012
The prediction you have sited , will never happen ever happen , if WE ex and non Muslim have anything to say and do about it ….
Amiricans around me are getting awear of the problem of Islam among them … and I have personally felt the PUSH BACK when they assume I am still a Muslimah.
Westerners are pushing back thanks to the GOD called the INTERNET ….
kope …
Just sit and watch …. Muslim
written by Islam-Watach Pastor , July 16, 2012
Your day dreaming is very interesting, unfortunately your claim that Christian are becoming atheist has no proof, even here in IW we see most atheist that we post here are ex-Muslims. For your information, True Christianity is not a religion but relationship with the divine God. You are not a Christian because your parents are Christians or because you go to church or give your money for the Christian cause. But one is a Christian when he repent of his sins and become born again living holy life as a new creature in Christ, living by faith in the atoning blood of Jesus Christ which was shed for the forgiveness of sins of all those who have faith in him.
For 2000 years now Christianity has been growing, steadily, not through biological growth for this has little effect on true Christianity but through conversion after believing the truth. Because the gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation for everyone that believes. We are eye witnesses of how the Gospel of Christ is transforming lives from moral decadences, demonic oppressions, chronics sicknesses and diseases in a power that no one is put in doubt as to its divinity. The true coverts to Christianity have experiences to share and not religious rituals that have no power to save or deliver like in the case of Islam.
There is no proof that Islam will exist in the next one decade, especially when you consider the magnitude of the exposure of this evil cult in the internet , media, print and through self destruction as exhibited through terrorism, women oppression, tyrannical rules and empty idolatries. These are exhibits that Islam cannot survive the enlightened and civilized world. It might have survive for the past 1400years because of ignorance but we are not in the age of ignorance but enlightenment, in which only the truth , the divine and the holy can stand.
You can however suit yourself with self delusion. You appear to want to debate with me, but ask Reed Wilson, Malem, and VBV , ArchPagan and fineliving of the experiences in trying to confront me on matter of Christianity before you proceed.
written by Islam-Watach Pastor , July 16, 2012
Not so my friend even if I post with a different name, I know you can detect my writings. I am becoming very lazy to write all that long name. People here have come to know me as the Pastor there is no rivival. Some people simply call me the Pastor and everyone knows it is me. Please you can save your space and time to call me the Pastor, no one will query you.
Cheers.
