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"Did Muhammad Exist? An Inquiry into Islam's Obscure Origins": Another Explanation

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In his excellent new book "Did Muhammad Exist? An Inquiry into Islam's Obscure Origins," Robert Spencer has questioned the very existence of Prophet Muhammad. Robert bases his thesis of the non-existence of Muhammad on the following key reasons.

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Quoting from Spencer:

"No record of Muhammad’s reported death in 632 appears until more than a century after that date.

The early accounts written by the people the Arabs conquered never mention Islam, Muhammad, or the Qur’an. They call the conquerors "Ishmaelites", "Saracens", "Muha- jirun", and "Hagarians", but never "Muslims".

The Arab conquerors, in their coins and inscriptions, don’t mention Islam or the Qur’an for the first six decades of their conquests. Mentions of “Muhammad” are non-specific and on at least two occasions are accompanied by a cross. The word can be used not only as a proper name but also as an honorific.

The Qur’an, even by the canonical Muslim account, was not distributed in its present form until the 650s. Contradicting that standard account is the fact that neither the Arabians nor the Christians and Jews in the region mention the Qur’an until the early eighth century.

During the reign of the caliph Muawiya (661–680), the Arabs constructed at least one public building whose inscription was headed by a cross – a symbol abhorrent to Islam.

The lack of confirming detail in the historical record, the late development of biographical material about the Islamic prophet, the atmosphere of political and religious factionalism in which that material developed, and much more suggest that the Muhammad of Islamic tradition did not exist, or if he did, he was substantially different from how that tradition portrays him.

One of the questions that must be addressed is why there is a "personality change" between the initial peaceful Mecca Surahs and later violent Surahs. If the entire Quran was cooked up after the fact, there wouldn’t be that difference – as it would all come from the same "pot"."

Throughout history, there have been many men who have pertained to be prophets of God possessing a special relationship with God including communicating with God or an intermediary. The fact that there would have been a man called Muhammad proclaiming to be a prophet around 610 AD claiming to be receiving divine teachings thru Angel Gabriel would not have been unusual.

We know that Islam is divided into 2 phases; the initial Mecca phase where Muhammad preaches peace and tolerance and the Medina phase in which the Quran becomes a violent, military manual of death and destruction bent on conquering the world for Allah, subjugating its peoples and destroying all other religions.

It is important to understand that Islam without the initial Meccan peaceful teachings would have gone to oblivion. Without the cover provided by these early teachings, Islam would have lacked any religious creditability masking the Medina call to conquest.

Prophet Muhammad was born around 570 AD in Mecca. He belonged to the Quraysh tribe of Mecca. Muhammad became a trader who married an older, rich woman. One day in 610, he claims to have met the angel Gabriel in a cave on Mount Hira. Gabriel transmits teachings from God to Muhammad. For the next 13 years, Muhammad labors as a preacher trying to convince the Jews, Christians that his God – Allah is the same God as worshipped by them and convince them and the pagan Arabs to join his new religion Islam and become Muslims. After 13 years, with his wife dead and no success in Mecca, Muhammad departs Mecca for Medina with a small band of believers where he dies. After his death, his followers collected the revelations Muhammad claimed to have received from Gabriel into the Quran. Muhammad, Islam, Allah and the Quran go to historical oblivion.

Muhammad would have disappeared from history if it had not been for the leaders of the Arab empire who near the end of the 7th century needed a religious ideology to unify the empire.

Quoting Spencer:

“Historical records make clear that toward the end of the seventh century and the beginning of the eighth, the Umayyad leaders of the Arab domains began to speak much more specifically than anyone had before about Islam, its prophet, and eventually its book. Muhammad, if he did not exist, or if his actual deeds were not known, would certainly have been politically useful to the new Arab Empire as a legendary hero. The empire was growing quickly, soon rivaling the Byzantine and Persian Empires in size and power. It needed a common religion—a political theology that would provide the foundation for the empire’s unity and would secure allegiance to the state.”

These leaders discovered that hundreds of years before there had been a preacher born in Mecca who had preached a new religion called Islam, followers were called Muslims of a God called Allah and had a book recording this new religion’s teachings. In short, they had a pre-packaged religion and their necessary “legendary hero” upon which to build the mythology of their warrior prophet.

At this point, they turned the Quran and Islam into a military ideology with their God – Allah rewarding his followers with a virgin delight Paradise for those who killed kafirs or were slain in the attempt, as many sex slaves as they could conquer, women as their property and 80% of the booty from the conquered territories. To finance the conquests, a special tax was imposed on the Jews and Christians and later the Hindus.

These new teachings were incorporated into the original peaceful Quran and the original peace teachings were cleverly utilized to give Islam its religious cloak to deceive the kafirs while the Muslim armies planned their military demise. Of course, the new Quran’s teachings abrogated Muhammad’s original Quran.

If this is so, then Prophet Muhammad was a good man who never killed, raped, terrorized, tortured anyone but tried to make a difference to his community. Prophet Muhammad after his death would have joined Gabriel in heaven.

The Muslim men followers of this new Islam created by these evil leaders upon their death would not ascend to any paradise filled with virgins but descended into hell to join not only these evil Islamic conquerors but all the other killers of history: Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc who sold their souls for power.

A WAY OUT

The bastardization of the original Quran and the creation of a monster from Prophet Muhammad life by these men of evil gives Muslim men a way out of the Islamic nightmare that now perils mankind. Muslim men could rise up and renounce these pretenders, denounce their warrior prophet fabrication and embrace Prophet Muhammad and his teachings. Unfortunately this is not going to happen.

Muslim men will never give up the benefits granted to them by these later teachings made up by these Islamic conquerors. Their women and children are their property, unlimited sex with sex slaves, child brides, unlimited booty, unlimited political power and unlimited eternal sex.

So tonight, Prophet Muhammad is in heaven to be joined by all Muslim women who having been brain washed and mentally and physically abused from their birth deserve external solace while all their sons, brothers, fathers, husbands having been born with free will have chosen to follow evil condemning their souls for all eternity.

Unmistakably historical, however, are the Arab conquests and the empire they founded. Every empire of the day was anchored in a political theology. The Eastern Roman Empire was Christian; the Persian Empire was Zoroastrian. The realm of political theology offers the most plausible explanation for the creation of Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran. The Arab Empire controlled and needed to unify its huge expanses of territory, where different religions predominated. Islam began as an umbrella monotheistic movement that presented itself as encompassing the true forms of the two great previous monotheistic movements, Judaism and Christianity.

Whatever be the truth about his existence, Muhammad, as presented in his actions outlined in the Quran, Hadiths, and Sira, was one of the most diabolically evil persons in history. Such an evil incarnate can never be a representative of the supreme creator of the Universe. Even if one claims that Muhammad was thoroughly bastardised by his later followers, it is impossible that a true prophet of the omnipotent God could be so badly bastardised by earthly man to the point of making him the most evil ever. So, Muhammad was never a prophet of God, period!

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Jake Neuman is the author of “Islam and Sharia Law Are Treason: Jihad Is Treason” and Prophet Muhammad (AKA ALLAH): Monster of History (free download) at http://www.islamreform.net/. His book ISLAM EVIL IN THE NAME OF GOD™ was banned in Malaysia.

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opinion
written by Rationalist , June 03, 2012
Spencer is wrong in stating that Meccan Quran is peaceful. If you look at it closely it threatens kafirs with dire consequences. What about the sealed letter supposedly sent by Muhammad to the Byzentine emperor? Is that forged?
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Great
written by atheist , June 03, 2012
Great article and great book also
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Answer Opinion
written by Jim , June 03, 2012
From Bill Warner: politicalislam.com

The historical Koran reveals the primary division of the text. The early Koran written in Mecca is very different from the later Koran written in Medina. The early Koran is more religious and poetic. The later Koran is more historical and political. There is a radical change in its tone, subject and language in the two texts. The difference is even clear to a first-time reader. There is a Meccan Koran and a Medinan Koran. The relative sizes of the two Korans are: Meccan Koran is about 64% of the total Koran; the Medinan Koran is 36% of the total .

Not only are there two Korans, Meccan and Medinan, that are different in tone and subject matter, but also the Koran has many verses that contradict each other.

One of the biggest examples of ethical dualism in Islam is the Jews. The Meccan Koran is filled with stories about Moses, Noah, Adam, and other Jewish figures. The early Koran is very Jewish. The perception of the Jews completely changes in Medina. Every verse, story, and hadith is negative and anti-Jew.

Jihad

Jihad must be one of the most famous Islamic concepts. It takes up a large portion of the Trilogy. Material for jihad is 24% of the Medinan Koran and 9% of the total of the entire Koran. Jihad takes up 21% of the Bukhari material and the Sira devotes 67% of its text to jihad.

Amount of Trilogy Text Devoted to Jihad

Meccan Quran 0%

Medinan Quran 24%




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Early Islam
written by Gnostic , June 03, 2012
I would say that the fact that the quran was redacted in such a disorder, without proper correction of errors, contradictions and inconsistencies by the early islamic rulers provides evidence that the islamic rulership still suffered a lack of religious and political symbols and religion was not the main issue. It was more a military victory and not a religious one. The population was more concerned about taxes and enjoyed much lower taxation than before.

We must consider that both christianity and islam were still different by this time and very much of islam is influenced by the hadith. There are also some scholars suggesting that zoroastrism influenced islam from persia. Anyway, islam became a political ideology much later when the rulers were in need for it in order to provide a legitimation for their rulership.
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fables illustrate cultural values
written by Guy Macher , June 03, 2012
Whether Mo existed or not is irrelevant. The stories exist. The stories tell us what Muslims want us to believe about their leader. The stories tell us that Mo was a liar, looter, rapist, murderer and a paedophile. These characteristics, in the Muslim "mind", are laudable. That's really all we have to know about Islam.
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Muhammad lived exemplary life? My foot!
written by Editor, M A Khan , June 03, 2012
If this is so, then Prophet Muhammad was a good man who never killed, raped, terrorized, tortured anyone but tried to make a difference to his community. Having lived an exemplary life Prophet Muhammad after his death would have joined Gabriel in heaven.
There is nothing in Muhammad's Meccan life and quranic verses that is exemplary or worth emulating. Indeed, average persons of Mecca in his life-time lived a more sober, and peaceful life. And sex with slave-girls was sanctioned in Meccan verse (4:3) itself.
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M a khan
written by Abc , June 03, 2012
Sad frustrated Pakistani man. I have a distant uncle who uses the "my foot"
Phrase. Do you not read the articles before you publish them on YOUR website???

Classic!
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Answer MA Khan
written by Jim , June 03, 2012
ANSWER MA KHAN

There are only 3 possibilities concerning Muhammad.

1.He never existed. Islam, Muhammad, Quran were manufactured by these late 7th century Islamic rulers as mentioned by Spencer.

2, He existed and all Quranic teachings were from him. The Quran was the creation of this Muhammad.

3. He existed as a failed preacher who created a religion Islam, God – Allah and initial Quran. Tried in his early teachings to convince Jews/Christians/pagans of his prophetship with his early peaceful teachings and went to historical oblivion until these 7th century rulers grabbed onto his Islam, Allah, Quran and changed it into a military manual of conquest. All teachings of Muhammad leading armies into battle etc were fabricated later by the late 7th century rulers. Verse 4.3 would have been part of that fabrication mentioned by Spencer.

Verse 4:3 was revealed to Prophet Muhammad in Madina after he migrated to it from Mecca and established an Islamic state there right after the battle of Uhud in which the Muslims not only had lost badly against the Pagans.

i think this is what author meant. Not the entire Meccan Quran part of which was bastardization but only those peaceful teachings of this failed preacher Muhammad.
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MA KHAN
written by Jim , June 03, 2012
I would remove

"known as the Mecca Quran,"

Should read

We know that Islam is divided into 2 phases; The Mecca phase where Muhammad preaches peace and tolerance, and the Medina phase in which the Quran becomes a violent military manual of death and destruction bent on conquering the world for Allah, subjugating its peoples and destroying all other religions.


Remove

Quran of

Should read

It is important to understand that Islam without the initial Mecca peaceful teachings would have gone to oblivion. Without the cover provided by the initial Mecca peaceful teachings, Islam would have lacked any religious creditability masking the Medina call to conquest.
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Mohammad-did he exist
written by balam , June 03, 2012
We get more Information about Mohammad from Hadiths than Quran.Mohammad was schizophrenic with split personality.During his life in Mecca he produced some peaceful verses but failed to get a lot of followers.Hence he moved to Madina where even the Jewish tribes welcomed him and the NEW muslims offered their wives to him for SEX.Later he turned a power hungry politician and all the desires of his heart fell in his lap.The Muslims started worshiping him.They would eat his faeces,drink his urine as a sign of devotion .He even advised the people of UKL tribe to drink ccamel's urine mixed with its milk as medicine.The Muslims are so brain washed even today to become SUICIDE BOMBERS to get 72 VIRGINS and permanent erection for sex 24/7 on golden couches.No other prophet has offered such delicious Inducements.It turns Muslims on to commit any kind of atrocity without second thought.We should not hold poor Muslims responsibe for that because they lack the brains to start with.
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Mr. Khan
written by pipo , June 03, 2012

I think Surah 4 is a Medina surah.

The Mecca Surahs (23: 5-6) and (70: 29-30) are sanctioning sex with female slaves/captives (even more clear than surah 4:3)

proving that the 'Meccan Muhammad', to our current standards, is indeed a man of shabby morals.
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Mecca or Medinah?
written by Gnostic , June 03, 2012
I would suggest that the question where the texts originated is not the main issue.

Some texts even supposed to come from Mecca aree very closely related to already existing texts from bible, apokrypha. talmud and maybe other sources. For example, THE CAVE (Surah 18) quite obviously derived from christian sources such as the Legend of the Seven Sleepers and The Alexander Romance. Muhammad did not invent these stories, they were already existing before and somebody wrote them down. And there is not (only) Muhammad behind it but other people as well, maybe even some jewish or christian scholars as some sources suggest.

Whatever happened during early islamic history, it was quite different from what the islamic tradition is telling us. Perhaps Muhammad was not so important during his lifetime but later, he was raised to heaven by the muslim rulers who were in need for such a hero.
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@Jim, pipo
written by Editor, M A Khan , June 03, 2012
It is impossible to say what is the truth about Muhammad's existence. Professor Patricia Crone had first raised the issue of Muhammad's non-existence decades ago. But she has come round to accept that that thesis was too weak to the established paradigm.

The transition of the Quran's messages -- from non-violent in Mecca to violent and aggressive in Medina -- falls in quite line logically with a likely historical reality. It's all about power equation.

We are told that Muhammad produced verse 4:3 when Khadijah was still alive in Mecca. And before moving to Medina, Muhammad was married to Sauda and to Aisha, waiting to be consummated, although thighing was going on. Given polygamy was common in Arab society and slave-girls were used as sex-partners, and Muhammad's teachings not so extraordinarily radical from Arab traditions, except talking about a singular God (with paganic tinge), nothing new either --- verse 4:3 is no at all unexpected of being produced in Mecca.
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@Gnostic
written by balam , June 03, 2012
Mohammad stole most of his material from Jewish,Christian,Persian and Pagan sources.Sura 3:51 is taken from TALMUD word for word which Muslims always quote and brag about.It states:IF you kill one man,It is as if you have killed the whole humanity.According to that,Mohammad woud have killed humanity over 800 times by murdering 800 Jews of QURAISA JEWISH TRIBE.Mohammad was nothing but a shameless FRAUD.
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written by lord garth , June 03, 2012
If Islam didn't have a 'kill or die for heaven' theology, it would probably not have been able to conquer Persia which it did between 630 and 650. This is because without such a theology, the arab warriors would not have had anything to fight for except booty and personal glory. Given the organization and size of the Persian forces at the time, I don't see how the arabs would have done as well as they did without that. Thus I think at least part of the Medinan koran must have been extant in some form by then.
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Re: balam
written by Gnostic , June 04, 2012
My view is that even before Muhammad the arabs already had adapted some jewish and christian traditions and twisted it in order to make it more acceptable to them.There seems to be some jewish-christian influence here, regarding Jesus not as son of god and ignoring anything coming from Paul and his helenistic christianity.

Thats why I would say that early islam was not so far away from christianity but many embraced islam because of lower taxes. Islam was constituted and institutionalised much later when the law schools were establisehd and the hadith invented. I do not know exactly but I think this happend under perisan influence because christianity did always separate between relgion and law as well as rulership.
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written by Linda , June 04, 2012
you all should also read:
The Life and Religion of Mohammed
by Rev. JL Menezes
it was written in 1912....really relevant with no political agenda....just facts
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just like jesus never existed muhamed never existed
written by HARKAT UL JIHAD EI KAFIROOON , June 04, 2012
just like jesus never existed muhamed never existed
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written by vbv , June 04, 2012
Wow ! So even Muhamad was a concoction like all the bullshits of Quran. This proves very clearly that Quran was a fabricated political manifesto with religion used as a cover to promote arab supremacy. It all fits very well if you look at this whole farcical and barbaric arab cult in the correct perpective. It is a sham religion with all its mythologies usurped from judaism and christianity and mixed in the murky soup of arab barbarianism.
Good article indeed , but I will not say that it is an eye opener since I always maintained that Quran usurped and distorted Binlical tales and myhths and put arabs authority over it all these years I had been writing in this website and I stand vindicated now with this article and the book by Spencer.
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vbvji....even judaism and xtianity is a great sham and fake
written by HARKAT UL JIHAD EI KAFIROOON , June 04, 2012
vbvji....even judaism and xtianity is a great sham and fake.

judeo xtianity jihadislam is totally fake and unscientific.

there is no dogpig but imagianry allah and muhamed is his pigpoopoo.
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I think the Quran was faked by Umar!
written by Gnostic , June 04, 2012
If we look at a Surah like Joseph (Surah 13) then it is almost word by word taken from the bible. How could Muhammad claim that this is "his" revealation? Stories like this (Lokman, Maria etc.) were probably circulating everywhere in the region for centuries. We know that there already lived many chrisitan arabs and perhaps this is why the quran and hadith refer to jews and christians as people with the book while the arabs were the people without book. However, the arabs were handing down the texts orally and I do not think that many of them were totally new to them when Muhammad "revealed" them.

Perhaps Muhammad "revealed" some early texts from Mecca but others were probably written down by others. The quran looks much more like a collection which was compiled in a hurry when Muhammad was already dead and raised to heaven by his followers..
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HARKAT UL JIHAD EI KAFIROON
written by vbv , June 05, 2012
I agree with you entirely that even christianity and judaism are fabrications of a group of people who wanted political power that can be easily usurped by putting "the fear of 'God' in all gullible people . So does all religions. But the worst ones are the organised monotheistic cults with its heirarchy of clergies who call the shots and claim the "divine right" to rule over everyone with "iron hands" . Religions are nothing but fairy tales for the adults who fear "death" ( nobody lives forever and nothing lasts forever , which is the simple truth) and hope that they live on forever after they die in some spooky "heaven" that is well provided with all material comforts ,especially the drinking and debauching aspect. There is absolutely no proof of such a "heaven" or "hell" , and certainly there is no spook living in cloud 9 peeping over us evr vigilant that we cringe and pray in abjectness for favours lest we incur his wrath that will throw us into an ternally fiery "hell"... Hahahahahahahahahahaha..!!!. This is trash and nonsense - plain bullshit!.
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written by vbv , June 05, 2012
Allah, according to Quran , keeps giving better verses that will abrogate the earlier verses. That means that this Allah is not sure what he is mouthing out of turn all the time . Muslims often quote the two verses "there is no compulsion in religion" and "killing one man is equal to killing the whole of humanity...." to cover up the inconveniently blatant verses of hate , intolerance and violence. Does that mean that these two verses have abrogated all the other violent verses in the Quran. Then these verses should be edited out of Quran. This will reduce the Quran from 6,600 verses to less than 300 verses. Allah's book will look puny and Muhamad's life will be wasted . Muhamad will be the biggest "blasphemer" of Allah. Hahahahahaha...!
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written by vbv , June 05, 2012
Just imagine an omnipotent, all-wise, all-knowing "god" to contradict himself and claim that his earlier poetry was substandard an so he gives an improved version makes Allah look like a poor third class writer who comes up with lame excuses. Poor Allah certainly seems a confused spook and a pathetic one at that ! You never heard of Tennyson, Shelley, Wordsworth or Cummings coming out public saying that what they had written was not perfect and want to reproduce the same thing again in a different way. That means Allah is not sure what he is saying , and he is certainly not an omnipotent, immaculate ,supreme and perfect creature. This spook is an invention of an immoral human who keeps shifting his stance and he uses this spook Allah as a ploy to further his political ambitions. That shows that islam is pure bullshit, absolute crap and Allah is no "god" and Muhamad is no "prophet" either.
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vbvji...well said
written by HARKAT UL JIHAD EI KAFIROOON , June 05, 2012


vbvji,well said.

i am an ex-muslim.from 1992.and the way i lost faith in imaginary allah.i read koran.that is all.

only nature is truth.alla that exists in nature.we r part of nature.we must save mother
earth from the monoatheists and big corp's who want to destroy world and ecology.

yes no one lives forever.to live forever maybe some day gene therapy will do it......

does heaven exist ? no idea.does soul exist ? all is part of nature.if soul
exists surely its part of nature.

definately if heaven existed we wud be getting some advt every day by
some god coem to my heaven its better !!!

nothing happens.so we can say...there is no 72virgins and wine on the other side.

or is there another side ?
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@ M A Khan
written by balam , June 05, 2012
Can some body re-arrange theQuran in proper order starting with Meccan Suras and ending with last Suras of Madina.Quran is so complicated for a simple person like me.It is like PANJABI TAPAS where the first line has no connection with the second line.Here is an example in English translation.WHITE COCKERAL IS ON THE WALL. COME HERE DARLING_THE YOUNG MAN IS IN LOVE WITH YOU.THE VERSES OF QURAN LIKE WISE ARE SO AMBIGUOUS.Then Allah and Mohammad only knew ARABIC and put down in Arabic in Quran for whole of humanity most of which do not understand Arabic language.The Holy Bible starts with the book GENESIS and ends with REVELATION.
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written by piddles , June 05, 2012
Gnostic ,
Some was lifted from Greek Orthodox bibles.

Politics and religion were inseparable in all early religions.muslims are the only cult that still uses the g-d/politics system.The rest of the world understands the abuse of power created by uniting the 2 and the inequality it breeds.

If there was a person named muhammad whom g-d talked to it would have been huge news.No matter if he was thought to be genuine or a false prophet,there would be records of him.False prophets were publicly executed ."Real" prophets were well respected and documented .

If g-d had sent a last prophet to earth ,he wouldn't have kept it a secret.Especially from his "chosen people ."

Insane asylums have housed millions of prophets,Jesus' and g-ds throughout history.

The quran and hadiths were copied from memories ,notes on leaves,tree bark and rocks .To claim they are accurate and complete requires you to believe human memories are perfect,leaves/bark/rocks are never damaged/destroyed/altered or lost.Not a single word was ever written by muhammad or his immediate family.

muslims claim muhammad was the perfect man.Yet he lacked the basic communication skills to record messages from a g-d no one heard or saw.He lacked the ability to control his violent nature,greed and jealousy .He did not understand the basic human rights,respect or compromise .
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Re: above - more irregularities
written by Gnostic , June 05, 2012
Islamic Law is supposed to come from god. However, all fatwas are made by muslim humans and they cannot provide any evidence that their claim to apply law in the name of god is correct. This is not only the worst blasphemy we can imagine but also absolutely not adequate for any 21th century society.

Islamic law means that anybody can claim anything in the name of god. He can even rule to kill people only because they disagree with ones view on islam. This kind of law is the worst one people can imagine: Chaos, disorder and killings are everydays life in muslim countries.
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ABC
written by Amboyduke , June 05, 2012
"ABC Where Are You...?"

Sung to the tune of "Car 54 Where Are You."

Not much to say on this little subject? Hmmmmm...???
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desert land of Muhammad
written by fineliving56 , June 06, 2012
I thought I know all the debunks out their to Quran's claims .. But I have to admit ...I never thought about this one before, I just read about on the internet … and it was so obvious, I had a Moment of "AHAAAA ''

I am sorry it has nothing to do with article except it is being about Islam.

Quran claims, in so many places, like [ 43/11 - 32/27 and many others ] that the land where Muhammad lived, is,was and will be a desert, lacked water for all times until Allah who brings rain to quenched it's thirst .[BTW …snow was not mentioned not even once in Quran even it covers vast portion of lands ]

But the fake Quran [ as it never came from any God] and who ever wrote it, did not know about the fact that the exact region of the where Muhammad lived once being a TROPICAL CLIMATE with more water then any, would need or want from it's abundance .

To me, this is another nail in the coffin of Islam … may be people have known that … but truthfully I did not think about it before and when Iread it, I just laugh at Muhammad and his ignorance and his limited perceptions.

Muhammad the idiot and the idiots who wrote Quran after him [ I believe he did exist but the non exists charge has good reasoning ] …. did not know his land was once a lush heaven with all kind trees and flowing waters just like [ Janat al naeem ] and because he did not know what happen to earth, before the sixty years he lived on it, or not even the years after Muhammad death, it took to complete the book of death, Quran, he only talked about the time when earth became a desert … hahahahaha

I think the word ignorance is not enough word to describe the stupid things in Quran.
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You are a joke
written by abc , June 06, 2012
I thought I know all the debunks out their to Quran's claims ..

What you know you could write on the back of a stamp!
Oh wait the bigoted websites might help!
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There might be people in this world
written by 1proudkaffur4life , June 06, 2012
who KNOW less than "fineliving56" about Islam and REJECT its FOOLISHNESS, for what it is. I know when I just started out and came to: 4:54 second part: ..... "And Hell is sufficient for their burning. Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire. As often as their skin is burnt and singed, roasted through, We shall change it for fresh skin, so that they may go on tasting the torment."

At that stage I certainly knew very little, but what I knew was enough to toss the "religion" of Islam out onto the garbage heap where it belongs. Of course the behavior of Muslim I knew by then also did not help allahs cause.

So Muslims hold on to a man-made concept of a deity, a teaching which turns humans after "death" into some kind of zombies especially Unbelievers experiencing the punishment of the grave... There might be worse fairy-tales being told, but none of them claimed to be the divine revelation given by a stoned-gawd whoreshipped 5 times a day - BTW do Muslims know that they stick their rear-end toward mecca? While their face is looking in its direction, the rear-end..... SMACK ON at Mecca! What foolish behavior Muslims are forced to adhere to. Any deity knowing this would not have demanded such a quibla or whatever this is called.
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Warning: Insults of Islam and Mohamed ahead
written by Guy Macher , June 06, 2012
If Mo existed doesn't matter; what Muslims wanted history to know about their model of humanity does. The Mo of the hadiths is a psychotic meglo-maniacal pervert who was also a liar, looter, rapist, and murderer. Oh and he was a paedophile and apparently couldn't control his bladder. And he farted a lot and was illiterate.

All the attributes of the perfect Muslim barrow are exhibited in Mohamed. The Koran says so. And Mo wrote the Koran, at least he recited it.

Please spell my name correctly on the fatwa you goatbearded mufti nazis.
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1 proud Kafir
written by fineliving56 , June 06, 2012
You speak the truth but I hope you do not hold your breath waiting for Muslims here to see the truth about Quran, no mater how many times it is presented to them!!!... The real truth IS AS CLEAR AS WATER ...

You talked about the one of the cruelest Ayas in Quran ... it is one of the most, that makes me sick, [aside from all the other sadistic Surahs that most readers here are familiar with ] ...

Another is Surit al Muhammad /47/15 ...in the end of this Surah, it says '' ....[ talking about the people of paradise] are they compared to those who shell live for ever in Fire and to be given scorching, boiling water to drink so that IT CUTS UP THEIR INTESTINES [ COMES AS STOMACHS] [TO PIECES ]

In what kind of mind would think it is normal for a God who call IT self merciful [lol] would want to make people drink boiling water to cut up their insides to peaces ...I means pieces .... sad really .. sad

Only in mind of the sick demented sadistic people ... Muslims who think it is justified ...

no crime ever deserves such torture ... Muhammad him self should have been put through that kind of torture
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to balam, quran surahs, part 1
written by Yibel , June 06, 2012
A possible arrangement in chronological order:

The Early Meccan Surahs, mostly about Babylonian gods:
1 The Clot (96)
2 The Pen (68)
3 The Enshrouded One (73)
4 The Cloaked One (74)
5 The Opening (1)
6 Palm Fibre (111)
7 The Overthrowing (81)
8 The Most High (87)
9 The Night (92)
10 The Dawn (89)
11 The Morning Hours (93)
12 Solace (94)
13 The Declining Day (103)
14 The Coursers (100)
15 Abundance (108)
16 Rivalry in Worldly Increase (102)
17 Small Kindnesses (107)
18 The Disbelievers (109)
19 The Elephant (105)
20 The Daybreak (113)
21 Mankind (114)
22 The Unity (112)
23 The Star (53)
24 He Frowned (80)
25 Power (97)
26 The Sun (91)
27 The Mansions of the Stars (85)
28 The Fig (95)
29 Winter or Qureysh (106)
30 The Calamity (101)
Middle Meccan Surahs (618-620):
31 The Rising of the Dead (75)
32 The Traducer (104)
33 The Emissaries (77)
34 Oaf (50)
35 The City (90)
36 The Morning Star (86)
37 The Moon (54)
38 Sad (38)
39 The Heights (7)
40 The Jinn (72)
41 Ya Sin (36)
42 Criterion (25)
43 The Angels (35)
Muhammad begins to bring in his version of Christian stories:
44 Mary (19)
45 Ta Ha (20)
46 The Event (56)
47 The Poets (26)
48 The Ant (27)
49 The Story (28)
50 The Children of Israel (17)
51 Jonah (10)
52 Hud (11)
53 Joseph (12)
54 Al-Hijr (15)
55 Cattle (6)
56 Those Who Set the Ranks (37)
57 Luqman (31)
58 Saba (34)
59 The Troops (39)
60 The Believer (40)
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to balam, quran part 2
written by Yibel , June 06, 2012
Late Meccan Surahs (620-622)
61 Fusilat (41) Revelatios Well Expounded revealed by Ar-Rahman and Al-Ghafur
62 Counsel (42), Quran is revealed by Al-'Azeem, Al-'Aliy, Ash-Shakur, and Al-Hafee
63 Ornaments of Gold (43), quran is transcript of eternal book of Al-Muntaqim The Avenger and Al-Malik The Keeper of Hell
64 Smoke (44) quran revealed on blessed night by Al-Muntaqim
65 Crouching or Kneeling (45)
66 The Wind-Curved (Swept) Sandhills (46)
67 The Winnowing Winds (51)
68 The Overwhelming (88) To US they shall return
69 The Cave (18) Tall tales - the 7 sleepers, Alexander, etc.
70 The Bee (16) Al-Ma'Arij The Lord of the Ladders
71 Noah (71) Noah's gods are Al-Ghaffar and Al Haleem
72 Abraham (14) Musa's god is Al-Hamid, The All Praiseworthy
73 The Prophets (21) Ar-Rahman is the creator god, tore apart solid mass to create skies and earth, made every living thing from WATER
74 The Believers (23) Lord of the Seven Heavens, Al-Malik, The King, The Keeper of Hell is the creator
75 The Prostration (32) or Adoration
76 The Mount (52) Muhammad swears by the Ka'aba that dark-eyed houris (whores) await his followers
77 The Sovereignty (67) Al-Malik, The King, The Keeper of Hell is the creator
78 The Reality (69)
79 The Ascending Stairways (70) "the Spirit will ascend to Him in one day: a day whose space is 50 thousand years."
80 The Tidings (78) Ar-Rahman spread out the earth like a bed and mountains like supporting poles
81 Those Who Drag Forth (79) Al-Nazi'At - opens with oaths sworn by angels? akin to the Nazi S.S
82 The Cleaving (82)
83 The Sundering (84) swears by glow of sunset, night, moon
84 The Romans (30) or The Greeks - gods are Al-Aziz, An-Nafi', and Al-Muhyiy
85 The Spider (29) "argue with them by means of the sword until they become Muslim or pay the jizya.."
86 Defrauding (83) The Unjust, The Cheaters and Marduk's Tablets of Destiny
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to balaam. part 3
written by Yibel , June 06, 2012
The 28 Madinah Surrahs:
87 The Cow (2)
88 Spoils of War (8)
89 The Family of 'Imran (3)
90 The Clans (33)
91 She That is to be Examined (60)
92 The Women (4)
93 The Earthquake (99)
94 Iron (57)
95 Muhammad (47)
96 The Thunder (13)
97 The Beneficent (55)
98 Time or Man (76)
99 Divorce (65)
100 The Clear Proof (98)
101 Exile (59)
102 Light (24)
103 The Pilgrimage (22)
104 The Hypocrites (63)
105 She That Disputeth (58)
106 The Private Apartments (49)
107 Banning (66)
108 Mutual Disillusion (64)
109 The Ranks (61)
110 The Congregation (62)
111 Victory (48)
112 The Table Spread (5)
113 Repentance (9)
114 Succour (110)
Most of Muhammad's gods appear in these surrahs, after he has gained many followers. Besides Ar-Rahim/Al-Raheem and Ar-Rahman, there are:
Al-Waliy The Patron, The Protecting Friend, The Friendly Lord 13:11, 22:7
Al-Muta'aliy The Supremely Exalted, The Most High 13:9
At-Tawwab The Ever Returning, Ever Relenting 2:128, 4:64, 49:12, 110:3
Al-'Afuw The Pardoner, The Effacer, The Forgiver 4:99, 4:149, 22:60
Ar-Ra'uf The Kind, The Pitying 3:30, 9:117, 57:9, 59:10
Malik-ul-Mulk The Owner of all Sovereignty 3:26
Dhu-l-Jalali wa-l-'ikram The Lord of Majesty and Generosity 55:27, 55:78
Al-Muqsit The Equitable, The Requiter 7:29, 3:18
Al-Jami' The Gatherer, The Unifier 3:9
Al-Ghaniy The Rich, The Independent 3:97, 39:7, 47:38, 57:24
Al-Mughniy The Enricher, The Emancipator 9:28
An-Nur The Light 24:35
Al-Hadiy The Guide, The Way 22:54
Al-Badi' The Incomparable, The Unattainable 2:117, 6:101
Al-Baqiy The Immutable, The Infinite, The Everlasting 55:27
Ar-Rashid The Guide to the Right Path 2:256
As-Sabur The Timeless, The Patient 2:153, 3:200, 103:3
Al-Malik The King of Kings, The Keeper of Hell 59:23, 20:114, 23:116, 43:76
Al-Quddus The Holy, The Pure, The Perfect 59:23, 62:1
As-Salam The Peace, The Source of Peace and Safety, The Savior 59:23
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written by Yibel , June 06, 2012
Al-'Aleem The All Knowing, The Omniscient 2:158, 3:92, 4:35, 24:41, 33:40 (all Madinah)
Al-Qabid The Restrainer, The Straightener 2:245
Al-Basit The Extender / Expander 2:245
Al-Mu'izz The Giver of Honour 3:26
Al-Mumit The Destroyer, The Bringer of Death 3:156 (Madinah), 7:158, 15:23, 57:2 (Madinah)
Al-Hayy The Living 2:255 (Madinah), 3:2 (Madinah), 25:58, 40:65
Al-Qayyum The Subsisting, The Guardian 2:255 (Madinah), 3:2 (Madinah), 20:111
Al-Mudhill The Giver of Dishonour 3:26
As-Sami' The All Hearing 2:127, 2:256, 8:17, 49:1
Al-Mu'izz The Giver of Honour 3:26 (Madinah)
Al-Mudhill The Giver of Dishonour 3:26 (Madinah)
As-Sami' The All Hearing 2:127, 2:256, 8:17, 49:1 (all Madinah)
Al-Basir The All Seeing 4:58 (Madinah), 17:1, 42:11, 42:27
Al-Hakam The Judge, The Arbitrator 22:69 (Madinah)
Al-'Adl The Utterly Just 6:115
Al-Latif The Gentle, The Subtly Kind 6:103, 22:63, 31:16, 33:34 (Madinah)
Al-Khabeer The All Aware Surah 6:18, 17:30, 49:13, 59:18 (Madinah)
Al Haleem The Forbearing, The Indulgent 2:235, 17:44, 22:59 (Madinah), 35:41
Al-'Azeem The Magnificent 2:255 (Madinah), 42:4, 56:96
Al Ghafur The Much-Forgiving 2:173 (Madinah), 8:69 (Madinah), 16:110, 41:32
Ash-Shakur The Grateful 35:30, 35:34, 42:23, 64:17 (Madinah)
Al-'Aliy The Sublime 4:34 (Madinah), 31:30, 42:4, 42:51
Al-Kabir The Great 13:9, 22:62 (Madinah), 31:30
Al-Hafeez The Preserver 11:57, 34:21, 42:6
Al-Muqeet The Nourisher 4:85
Al-Haseeb The Bringer of Judgment 4:6, 4:86, 33:39
Al-Jalil The Majestic 55:27 (Madinah), 39:14, 7:143
Ar-Raqib The Watchful 4:1, 5:117
Al-Wasi' The Vast, The All-Embracing, The Omnipresent, The Boundless 2:268, 3:73, 5:54
Al-Hakim The Wise 31:27, 46:2, 57:1 (Madinah), 66:2
Al-Ba'ith The Resurrecter 22:7
Al-Wakil The Trustee, The Dependable, The Advocate 3:173, 4:171, 28:28, 73:9
Al-Qawwiy The Strong 22:40, 22:74, 42:19, 57:25
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Probable
written by truth , June 06, 2012
Probably the original was murdered and a fake was installed in his place as the prophet was not able to fund the handful of his followers. This could be the reason the behaviour and koran both changed from Mecca to Medina
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...
written by Brown Superman , June 07, 2012
What a moronic religion? Or is the followship?
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PRESUMPTIONS AND HATRED.
written by DIPTO ISLAM , June 08, 2012
Most people passing comments here seem to have presumptions and hatred against Islam which should not be the basis of analyzing a religion or its scriptures. Rather one should have open mind and logic to analyze a religion. The other day I was visiting an Islamic web page where Hinduism and religions are portrayed as null and void. Again presumption and hatred. Every single seems to claim itself to be the most holly, purest, absolute, logical and, the one only truth. The very basis of such a notion is presumption. If you are really a truth seeker come out of the old box and come to logic.
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@DIPTO ISLAM
written by bundypig , June 08, 2012
hahaha what do you know about anything. Read the koran and hadith about all the killing, robbing , raping , slaving and then tell us something we dont know,until then, just go on waiting for your virgins, and trying to lie.
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well saif, you stupid get,
written by bundypig , June 08, 2012
I'm not hindu, I'm an American Presbyterian. Blow it out your muslim pig ass you inbred scum
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if the story of mo is true...
written by bundypig , June 08, 2012
then this is his legacy, an immoral piece of shit that was as perverted as they come. Do you fashion yourself after him saif, like a good little muslim zombie?

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June 8 is Mo Died Day
written by Yibel , June 09, 2012
Islamic tradition states that on June 8 in 632, Muhammad died while cursing the Jews and Christians:

"'A'isha and Abdullah reported: As the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) was about to breathe his last, he drew his sheet upon his face and when he felt uneasy, he uncovered his face and said in that very state: Let there be curse upon the Jews and the Christians that they have taken the graves of their apostles as places of worship. He in fact warned (his men) against what they (the Jews and the Christians) did." -- Sahih Muslim 1082

Except that the Jews and Christians didn't use graves - of anyone - as places of worship. MooHamMAD was wrong! But the Muslim contempt and hatred for Jews and Christians remains.

Islam follows the bloody human sacrifices of the Aztecs and other primitive peoples by dedicating the blood, guts and gore of the victims to a bloodthirsty and vengeful tribal warrior God.

As with many primitive peoples, it is the shedding of blood that gets them excited. The blood is seen as a libation to Allah. To quote the eminent Islamic theologian Abu Hamza al-Masri: "There is no liquid loved by Allah more than the liquid of blood" "Whether you do it by the lamb, or you do it by a Serb, or you do it by a Jew, or you do it by any enemies of Allah," he said. That drop of blood "is very dear."
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some of Spencers proofs...
written by bundypig , June 09, 2012
There are no records of Mecca being a pilgrimage site or a commercial center. Because of its location in Western Arabia, it was hardly likely to be a crossroad for commerce.
A coin struck by the first Arabian conquerers between 647 and 658 does bear the inscription muhammad – but this is a figure carrying a cross! – which certainly does not jibe with Islam as we know it.
The first attempt to record stories about Muhammad (“hadiths”) did not begin until the 8th century, under the 5th Umayyad caliph, Abd al-Malik; this project continued on into the 9th century, when the first biography of Muhammad was authored by Ibn Ishaq. All subsequent biographies have been based on Ibn Ishaq’s very late-appearing work.
Ibn Ishaq’s biography goes into great detail about the birth, childhood, adulthood, marriage, visions, raiding campaigns, marriages, etc, but also is peculiarly replete with miracles attributed to Muhammad. This is peculiar because the Qur’an (29:51) asserts that Muhammad did not perform miracles, because the Qur’an itself was a sufficient miracle to convince believers.
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To DIPTO/MALIN
written by Archpagan , June 10, 2012
Yes, come to logic my boy. Central message of Islam or for that matter all monotheistic religions is : kill the non-believers or get killed by them so that you will get mercy/reward from the only true God projected in their scriptures. Do you think Hinduism too says such rubbish? Kick out your presumption that all religions are same or all religions say the same thing.
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Spencer
written by Malem , June 10, 2012
Spencers only goal is to sell books to fools who will buy them. If Muhamed did not exist than why did Spence spend the last 20 years talking about him and writing about him hahaha. He existed and denying it is like saying the sun did not exist a 10000 yrs ago. Just because you were not there, does not mean it was not so or maybe Spence believes he was.
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...
written by bundypig , June 10, 2012
Robert Spencer has been studying islam for these years to expose what you muslims describe as a *perfect* religion and has successfully proved that as well as not being a religion at all, it is so full of holes that it doesn't hold water.
As I've said before, Spencer has never lost a debate to any muslim scumbag, and in fact, the scum have been instructed not to debate him as he shows them up as the fools they are. Hadith is as much of islam as the koran, just because you don't think it's right ,doesn't make it so.
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To Gnostic about surah 12 Joseph
written by Yibel , June 11, 2012
The story of Joseph and his brothers (Q.12.4-) is nothing more than a bunch of garbled nonsense that only VERY faintly resembles the original story. According to the Qur'an, Joseph's brothers plan this murder in advance; they take Joseph with them so he can play saying they will watch over him and then they leave Joseph in a well to die. Some caravan traders find Joseph in the well - purely by accident - and the brothers, thinking that Joseph will die in the well, tell their father that Joseph was killed by wolves.

Without the original Bible story, we would not know that it was Joseph's father who sent Joseph to check up on his brother's; possibly suspecting they were up to no good. Joseph finds them in Dothan, a Canaanite town, probably painting the town red (temple prostitution was common among the Canaanites) instead of taking care of the family sheep herd. The errant brothers decide to kill Joseph (except for Reuben, who planned to rescue him) by throwing him in a pit so he couldn't tell on them to their father, Jacob; but, instead, one of the brothers - Judah - talks them into selling him for 20 pieces of silver to a passing caravan of Midianites who were heading down to Egypt with their camels bearing spices and myrrh. Then the brothers kill a baby goat and put the blood on Joseph's coat to show to their father. (Gen. Ch 37-47)

The Biblical story not only contains information that directly relates to future events, it also speaks directly to the very human condition of doing things we know are wrong, and then doing even worse things to cover up our trangression.

The Qur'an version, on the other hand, has Joseph's brothers committing cold-blooded, pre-meditated murder out of jealousy - and then justifies murder, even of one's relatives. This is a Cain murdering Abel situation, and entirely without consequences! No hellfire and damnation from Muhammad's god. No threats of punishment in this life - and then in the hereafter as well!! Nothing. NADA. Not a word. Not at all like what Muhammad's stone-gawd promises will happen to apostates, hypocrites, adulterers, and anyone who doesn't prostrate to his royal stone-gawdness 5 times a day!

The story of Mariam (Maria) is likewise an invented, distorted, contrived concoction that bears NO resemblance to the Biblical story -- What-So-Ever.

And, as for Lugman (Lokman) Surah 31, he only exists in the Quran in a few lines: WE (Al-'Aliy, the Sublime and Al-Kabir, the Great) bestowed wisdom on Lugman...We said "Give thanks to ME and to your parents...But MY word shall be fulfilled: "I will surely fill Hell with jinn and humans all." Q.31:13 WhoopTeeDoo!!
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Pig
written by abc , June 11, 2012
Here is salad dodger spencer having his arse handed to him:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBbm9_sixfU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Never lost a debate! Ha ha ha
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.....
written by Freewilly , June 12, 2012
He didn't lost the debate at all!! Slavery and concubines etc. are a joke, like Nadeer Akhmad is a clown. Hahaha....i laughed with spencer and laughed at Akhmad. Basing his argument on a single qoute from qur'an. This guy can't see that Spencer is right in the light of morality. Laughable and still Spencer never lost a debate indeed. With such clowns as Nadeer he has an easy job!
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Freewilly
written by Abc , June 12, 2012
Did he prove his point ? Nope!
No evidence.

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