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Little Girl Malala Yousafzai: An Existential Threat to Islam

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Not Taliban but Islam is the real culprit behind attempted murder of Malala, because the Taliban is simply following the teachings of the Quran, Sunna of Muhammad and Sharia Law, which is religiously binding upon all Muslims.

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Malala Yousafzai – a very brave a 14-year-old school girl – was shot and badly wounded while boarding her school bus by a member of the Taliban.

What was her crime to deserve execution?

At the age of 13 years, she championed the cause of the people of Swat by blogging for the BBC under a pseudonym about the atrocities of the Tehrik-e-Taliban and other Islamic extremist groups. She stated that she wanted an education – her ambition was to be a doctor. She campaign for education and rights of women in the Pakistani tribal belt, where the Taliban have imposed education and work for women.

Courageous for a little girl she is, he was nominated for several awards, and became runner-up in the International Children's Peace Prize (Runner-up, 2011) and won the Pakistan National Peace Prize (2011).

The Taliban predictably declared her a symbol of obscenity and accused her of spreading negative propaganda for the Taliban. There on, she was targeted for extermination and she is fighting for her life.

Islam, not Taliban

Not Taliban but Islam is the real culprit behind attempted murder of Malala, because the Taliban is simply following the teachings of the Quran, Sunna of Muhammad and Sharia Law, which is religiously binding upon all Muslims.

Malala Yousafzai was a threat to Islam. By standing up for her human rights, and for the equality of women, and her human right to be free to decide her own future, Malala stood for the liberation of Muslim women. In other words, she was a symbol for the liberation of Muslim women, one-half of the Muslim populations, whose subjugation and repression is sanction by holy dictums of the Quran, Sunnah and Sharia.

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After Kafirs, Allah, the Islamic God, hates the Muslim women most. Indeed, their repression can be worse, because the infidels can simply pay jizya and other taxes, and live their own life. But Muslims women don’t have that liberty and humanity. The Quran sets up the intellectual frame work for their subjugation and repression. They are the property of Muslim men. They are deficient in intelligence. Muslim women are only baby factories for their husbands.

Here is a sample of Quranic verses, the word of God, that belittle, dehumanize and subjugate women to Muslim men.

  1. Sura (5:6) - "...if ye have had contact with women, and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it." Women are polluting. Muslim men purify themselves following a casual contact with a woman.
  2. Sura (4:176) “They ask thee for a legal decision. Say: God directs (thus) about those who leave no descendants or ascendants as heirs. ... if there are brothers and sisters, (they share), the male having twice the share of the female.
  3. Sura (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."
  4. Sura (2:228) - "And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (of advantage) over them. And God is Exalted in Power, Wise.”
  5. Sura (4:11) – “God (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females.” (see also Sura 4:176)

A husband has the legal right and religious obligation to beat a wife if she disobeys him, is disloyal to him or simply does not please him. The concept of wife abuse does not exist in Islam. According to Islamic law, a husband may strike his wife for any one of the following four reasons: (1) She does not attempt to make herself beautiful for him (i.e. "let's herself go"), (2) She refuses to meet his sexual demands, (3) She leaves the house without his permission or a "legitimate reason", and (4) She neglects her religious duties. Any of these are also sufficient grounds for divorce.

Sura (2:223) - "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will." Wives are to be sexually available to their husbands in all ways at all times. They serve their husbands at his command.

MUSLIM WOMEN: ISLAM’S DOMESTIC ANIMALS

Great Islamic scholar and historian Al-Tabari writes (The History of al-Tabari, IX: 112-114):

“Now then, O people, you have a right over your wives and they have a right over you. You have [the right] that they should not cause anyone of whom you dislike to tread your beds, and that they should not commit any open indecency (fahishah). If they do, then God permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain from [evil], they have the right to their food and clothing in accordance with custom (bi’l-maruf). Treat women well, for they are [like] domestic animals (‘awan) with you and do not possess anything for themselves......”

Bukhari (6:301) writes on the deficiency in intelligence of Muslim women:

"[Muhammad] said, ‘Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?' They replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her intelligence.'"

How dare Malala, a member of the subjugated female sex, that too a little girl dare fight for the rights and liberation of Pakistani women, and challenge the Taliban. She did get her deserving deserts. And the Taliban has threatened to target her again, if she survives.

What the Taliban does are not an aberration of Islam. Their actions represent Islam in truth. Malala is murdered by Islam.

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Jake Neuman is the author of “Islam and Sharia Law Are Treason: Jihad Is Treason” and “Prophet Muhammad (AKA ALLAH): Monster of History.” (free download)

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Jake
written by Malem , October 12, 2012
I like your opinionated translation spin on the Koran! It shows your true aim which is to take advantage of a terrible incident where a young girl is in critical condition and use it for your own benefit.

Just one in example of many you state "Women are polluting. Muslim men purify themselves following a casual contact with a woman." Yet you know that no where in the Koran does it state this. What you have done is put your own spin on it. What the Surah does is try and insure people are of clean mind, spirit and body before prayer.

Now if you focused on the story at hand versus going on your usual Islamophobic rant, you would have seen they arrested the thugs that committed this crime and they should be punsihed to the fullest extent of the law. NO WHERE In the Koran does it say women cannot go to school or learn, if that were true I would have a hard time explaining whay both my wives have advanced degrees and one even an adjunct professor teaching both women and men....

Nice try Jake, time to head back to the hate pool and stir another story up lad, Peace
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shoot muslims get 720 virgins in jannat
written by HARKAT UL JIHAD EI KAFIROOON , October 12, 2012
shoot muslims get 720 virgins in jannat
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to jiadimalem pls preach yr islam to taliban dont waste yr time here with us
written by HARKAT UL JIHAD EI KAFIROOON , October 12, 2012
to jiadimalem pls preach yr islam to taliban dont waste yr time here with us.pls go to pakistan swat etc and disarm the true believers and post pics for proof.
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Harkat
written by Malem , October 12, 2012
Your lack of intelligent response to such a horrific act of violence shows how much hatred you have in your heart and how it clouds your judegment. That is quite sad and I feel very sorry for you.
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Islam proves itself evil time and again
written by Montegue , October 12, 2012
Infidels need only show the fruit of Islam, and it will proclaim its evil in all the world.

Yes, women in Islam are more oppressed than the infidels. When they are rape, all they could do is wish that they don't get pregnant because to report the crime will only get her lashed in public, especially Koran demand 4 witnesses. Gang rape has enough witnesses but the gang will not testify against each other. In Saudi, a young woman must be accompanied by a male relative when traveling or commuting, but too often they were raped by the men. That happened to a Pakistani girl I know. She broke in tears when she receive a letter from her parent asking her return to marry her cousin because, as she admitted that, the guy raped her at very young age. She likes western men, we do it by mutual consent. That's why they enjoy us very much and dreaded Muslim men. In Islam women marry without love. Love without respect because rape within marriage is not considered rape.
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Malem's two wives should take him to school
written by ChrisLA , October 12, 2012
What Malem doesn't realize is that when the Quran equates one male witness with two female witnesses (Surah 2:282) and when Muhammad declares women to be deficient in intelligence, that sets the expectations for both men and women in the Muslim world. It is an act of apostacy (punishable by death) to challenge "the obligatory character of something which by the consensus of Muslims is part of Islam." (Reliance of the Traveler, o8.7(14)) Of course, the truth is that women are equal to men in intelligence -- just as Malem's two wives demonstrate. The ideology of Islam is primitive and in conflict with not only human rights but also common sense. One day, Malem's wives will have the courage to sit him down and tell him to "get a life."
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The Evil fruits of Islam
written by Walter Sieruk , October 12, 2012
What that Taliban did by shooting that young girl shows just how cruel, brutal, viscious the followers of Islam can get. This cold blood, cold hearted terrible thing that he did exposes the extreme mysogyny of Islam. This also exposes the results or fruits of these mind programed in the mosque and madrassas. This heinous and evil death cult which is Islam also has many other evil commit as a result of people believing in it. Furthermore, it should be remembered that the evil fruits of Islam comes from the evils of the Quran and then the hadiths. To this the words of Jesus very much apply. They are "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles ?. Even so every good tree bringth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."
Matthew 7:16-18. [KJV]
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written by Jye , October 12, 2012
Someone who follows the death cult Islam using the word "hate" is one huge pile of hypocrisy.
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Shocking
written by fineliving56 , October 12, 2012
The vindictiveness and pure sadistic act done to Malala is nothing new ….…. millions of Muslim girls have suffer the consequences of questing and asking for rights .

The filthy cowered Muslims go after a 14 years old girl ? … no surprise

Adding salt to open wound … the filthy Muslim thugs said THIS when they heard that Malala seruvived and might live ..

'' WE WILL INSURE TO FINISHED HER NEXT TIME '' .. or to this effect

THAT'S MEANS THIS YOUNG WOMEN NEEDS A FULL TIME PROTECTION ALL HER LIFE TO INSURE HER SAFTY IF SHE LIVES

Hey Muslim defenders in here …

What you are going to do ?

Talk is cheap !

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO TRY TO STOP YOUR BROTHERS WHO YOU SHAER ISLAM WITH, FROM GOING AFTER GIRLS IF THEY WANT TO LEARN ?
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written by berq , October 13, 2012
Malem,you stated in your post complaing that jake is Islam-o-fobic.you stated,no where in the koran does it say women cannot go to school or learn.malem, please give reference from the koran where it says that women can go to school and learn?Taliban are muslim scholars,they insist that Islam does not permit education to muslim woman,this is one of the reason that they destroyed many schools in Sawat.Are you better muslim scholar then Mullahs? If you are, then convince them,let the women go to school.Walter,rightly stated in his post that a corrupt tree bringth forth evil fruit.The world is seeing the fruit of Islam.
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Gen. Dostum
written by Jimat Khorasan , October 13, 2012
The Musalmmas are as much guilty in supporting the evils in Islam!! Why do women put up with such rubbish?

While a Musalman is entitled to joyous sex with 70 virginal Houris & 2 of his 4 wives; in the promised Islamic Paradise, what benefits does a Musalma enjoy in Islamic Paradise?
Instead of draping themselves in dour chadors and hijabs, isn't it time that Musalmas take the standards from a brave female like Malala; to kick the arrogant, sexist, chauvinistic, insecure, paedophilic and brain dead Musalman between their legs and tell them to go f..... a camel!

Muslims will wake up to this evil visited upon Malala; and should question the morals and rules quoted by the Taliban from none other their own holy Islamic texts.

This is a historic moment in our world, because what we are witnessing is the beginning to the slow death of Islam; where Islam will destroy itself!
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Fine living
written by abc , October 13, 2012
Are you really that ill informed?
The whole of Pakistan has condemned the attack. Men and women.
Chief of staff general kiyani has promised to bring the perps to justice.
The president and all the political parties have condemned the attack.
The people will be caught and justice will be done.
What we can do is add to the condemnation and use our influence to get some positive action from the people in power!
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Berk
written by abc , October 13, 2012
"Taliban are muslim scholars"

Keep the comedy coming!!
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Malem
written by Kaser , October 13, 2012
Two wives Malem - no wonder you defend Islam tooth and nail.
Would you agree to be married to a woman with a husband already? - Be one of her two husbands?
Why not? If it's ok for a man to have two wives, why not a woman have two husbands?
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Malala
written by Kaser , October 13, 2012
Like I said in numerous posts before...
Muslim women will be the fall of Islam. Malala is a perfect example of this desire to unlatch themselves from oppression.

Look at Saudi Arabia. What a fu**ed-up country where women are something between cattle and humans.
Saudi males are not deserving of the word "men" they are cowards that, through force, lower their women...
And is not Saudi Arabia the "perfect Islamic State"

My hopes are with the millions of Muslim women FED UP with this religion-induced CRAP.
You will win. The cult will wither and die.
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Allah is pleased to see women illiterate
written by Dr R Brahmachari , October 13, 2012
The incident reminds me of the story of Kulsuma, a Kashmiri school girl, who was blinded by throwing acid on her face by the radical Islamists. She was punished because she committed the crime of attending the school and receiving education.
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malem i prefr to shoot muslims than they shoot me or my family
written by HARKAT UL JIHAD EI KAFIROOON , October 13, 2012
malem i prefr to shoot muslims than they shoot me or my family.i live in india and muslims killed over 100 million indians in last 1200 yrs.our family was converted to islam by terrorist aurangzebb an evil king from north india.my forefatehr fought against him bitterly.

i saw the light of truth in 1992 and left islam.now i preach truth abt jihadislam.

yes i hate muslims bcoz u people killed my indians for no reason other than islam.

i will shoot a muslim any time.

bcoz it gaurantees 720 virgins in real jannat.
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written by berq , October 13, 2012
ABC, do not make fun of tailbans.They claimed that they know Shariah better then the hypocritical muslims like you and that is the reason they want to enforce Shariah in whole pakistan.Does it make any different if whole pakistanis have condem this violance? If education is so important for women in Islam as you hypocritic muslims claim then why the tailnabs are against it?Don,t tell us that they do not understand real Islam.Education for women in Islam is forbidden tree and that is one of the reason taliban try to kill a little girl Malala.What a sham that you follow disgraceful evil ideology. Please do not give any reference of fake hadith for women education in Islam.
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Berq
written by abc , October 13, 2012
When I said keep the comedy coming I meant for you to stop and think and then write. Clearly the message went over your head.
So you have actually continued your joke posts.
The Taliban are not scholars Infact I suspect 99.9% cannot even read or write.
But you seem to hold them in high regard. Feel free to join them!
Of course it makes a difference if the whole of society condemn it, you simpleton.
What society are by default saying is that they reject the Taliban. The difference it will make hopefully is no more victims like the this young lass.
Education for women has been a must in Islam. It's only in the last century that things have gone a miss. But things are changing and I hope to see more and more Muslim women in education!
I could give you lots of referenced but like a hater you already ask me not to enlighten you.
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Harakat
written by abc , October 13, 2012
Poor confused child.
So some dude some centuries ago did some stuff.
That makes you hate your friends and neighbours because they share the same religion as him. Some would say that's the sign of an imbecile.
What says you????

He he!
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Kaser
written by abc , October 13, 2012
"And is not Saudi Arabia the "perfect Islamic State"

Im sure I've told you before. The Saudi state are traitors to Islam.
To equate Saudi Arabia to an Islamic state is a joke.
The Saudis state will fall and the will of the people will be done.
That includes all the other rag tag Arab states.
Already all the Arab states are feeling threatened ideologically and physically by a free Egypt!!
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any true muslim who claims to know islam better than taliban dont waste yr time here go to pakistan and teach taliban
written by HARKAT UL JIHAD EI KAFIROOON , October 13, 2012
any true muslim who claims to know islam better than taliban dont waste yr time here go to pakistan and teach taliban yr true islam.and hope u get shot teaching them.

go to taliban and the saudi and teach them to treat women as equal not 1/2 as much as men.
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to malem and both his wives
written by annad , October 13, 2012
You have no idea how indecent you sound. Your admition about your 2 wives is like a fart in astiff air. Bigomist!
Yak!
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written by Jye , October 13, 2012
Free Egypt? I almost choked on that one. The majority of idiot Muslims of Egypt elected hateful religious throwbacks worse than the Ayatollahs - the Muslim Brotherhood. The Muslim Brotherhood that spawned Hamas, Al Qaeda, and Hezbolla. They will never give up the power they've obtained. You're seriously deluded, abc. Or do you secretly support the MB?
Mohammed Mursi - “Nothing in the Constitution will supercede Islamic Sharia rule.”
And some more on "FREE" Egypt:-
http://www.egyptindependent.co...d-preacher
http://english.alarabiya.net/a...43221.html
http://www.egyptindependent.co...islam-post
http://www.copticsolidarity.or...-plundered
http://www.youtube.com/watch?f...JV84SBpP4k
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07...index.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?f...37qZX3OiqY
http://theantislave.wordpress....-marriage/
http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/46968.aspx
http://www.youtube.com/watch?f...04m4mr4aDQ
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to abc
written by annad , October 13, 2012
You talked about everyone in pakistan condemning this act. How about clerics? Did anyone of them bother to issue fatwa against murdering little "disobedient " girls? Or fatwa against forbidding women education? If yes; please enlighten us on this subject
We hear all kind of fatwas from islamic world allthe time. Most of them condone all kind of violence and indecency all the time. Isnt time for islmic clerics to issue some decree against obvious injustice?
The silence is too deafening.
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Annand
written by def , October 13, 2012
Silence is deafening is it??
Your ignorance is mind boggling.
Pakistan is not a theocratic state! The mullahs wield no power!
The people that matter have condemned it.
Maybe you should clean out your ears!
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The misogyny of Islam
written by Walter Sieruk , October 13, 2012
The heinous and evil act with murderous intentions of what this Islamic guy did to that young girl for Islam further exposes that Islam is a misogynist belief.
Moreover, by his own actions this Taliban Muslim has proven that Brigitte Gabriel, the founder of actforamerica.com, was right and telling the truth when she wrote in her book THEY MUST BE STOPPED that "even in moderate Islamic countries, women's rights are almost nonexeistent...Women in Islam are considered unlcean inferior even to dirt."
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ISlam is a religion of peace!!!!
written by Khadija , October 13, 2012
u r a sick man.what religion teaches u to hate on other religion?what r u so scared of?u actually made a site to hate on islam,do u even have a life??.Islam gives so much right to a woman.I am a muslim girl and i testify for that
Ex-christianity says that eve ate the apple formt the forbidden tree and adam was punished for it too but Qur'an says that both ate apple and both got sent to the earth
Ex2-christianity says tht since woman brought men to earth so childbirth's pain is a punishment for them or something whereas Islam says that they get good points and rewards for the pain of childbirth.
Also,Islam gave women right to property 1400yrs ago.christianity about 100yrs ago was discussing whther women have souls!!!!!
oh and if u actually watched the news,u weould have known that everywhere muslims are condemning the attack.My references may not be related to ur stupid article bcoz it was so pathetic i couldnt read it fully.Infact,the first verse that was sent to prophet through an angel was "IQRA" which translates as "read" or "educate" and not"kill" or "hate"
why r u doing this,man??what will u get by hating on someone's religion?I respect all the religions and if u were a true follower if any religion,u would have known better.
peace
P.S.-if anyones religios sentiments were hurt by my comment,then i m really sorry for that was certainly not my intention,
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written by Jye , October 13, 2012
the people condemn the shooting of a 14 year old Muslim girl, but will willingly and blood thirstily attack a disabled Christian girl framed by a Mullah fro "blasphemy" and encouraged by the mullahs to lynch. The majority of the people of Pakistan are feral at best.
Khadija, I hope you and your sister wives enjoy your freedom, and "rights to property" (half that of a male) under Islam, also contrary to what any "Christian" has ever spoken, there is no questioning to whether females have a soul within Christianity.
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@Khadija
written by Liberal Fundamentalist , October 13, 2012
Lady, if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

But first, a bit of introspection may be in order.

Just try marking out passages in your Koran and the hadiths which you feel aren’t in tune with your sensibilities. For starters, you can take the salacious bits about your Ol’ camel turd in the book of Bukhari and see if you can condone these, let alone approve of them. Nothing too special about them. Almost all religious/cultural texts have something of this nature (maybe not equaling Ol’ camel turd’s antics or even coming close) in them. But the difference is, anybody with an iota of sense can reject them, print and publish a version of their own choosing, follow it and get on with their life. But not so with Islam. You’re stuck with it and repudiating them would classify you as a heretic first class. And Islam has spawned enough nut-jobs to ensure that apostates remain an endangered species.

So don’t you carp about the tough time you’ve had on this website. Just cross out the offending’ passages and let a “friendly” neighborhood cleric know about it and we won’t be seeing you on this website any more.
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def
written by ANNAD , October 14, 2012
Pakistan is not a theocratic state! The mullahs wield no power!

It has nothing to do with being in power. Mullahs have moral authority and as such have a freedom to express their opinion, their judgement on all kind of things. They are often very vocal in different Muslim dominated states when it comes to incite the believers to violence against infidels. Now, I would like to hear some of the clerics to denounce this murder as "unislamic" as loudly as they speak about, lets say, evil of homosexuality.
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to Kadija
written by ANNAD , October 14, 2012
You explain that "islam is religion of peace" to millions who where murdered, tortured,raped and brutalized by the followers of your "peacefull" religion.
Truly, you will know them by their fruits.
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Annand
written by def , October 14, 2012
What murder are you talking about???
Are you eve upto date with the story??
Talking about something you know nothing about!
Typical
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Muslims are trapped!
written by Gnostic , October 14, 2012
We can hear very often about muslims like Malem and many others that islam does not teach this and that. That polygamy is not supported as well as wife beating, that women are treated as equals and so on.

However, all this does not work! A modern society does not work with islam because anybody can point to the quranic verses and the hadith.

There might be some moderate or even progressive muslims, but there will never be a moderate or progressive islam. Allah is rendered in the quran as a monster, and many radical muslims are emulating him.
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written by someone to Khadija , October 14, 2012
Khadija,readers of this web-site well come you.But I think you are in wrong place at wrong time.Withen few weeks you will relised that Islam is not a religion of peace.you have been decieved by a child molaster.You muslims hate more to kafirs then kafirs hate you.But different is this that you have been taught hate by your holy books.No other religious book teach as much hate as your koran to humanity.You will learn soon,stay with this web-site.
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someone to Khadija
written by fineliving56 , October 14, 2012
What is going to happen is few weeks ?

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Don't worry about it
written by def , October 14, 2012
I have been around for a yearish. In that time these moronic articles and these haters and their deceitful ways have become apparent.
Every time they threw up their best I am able to read and research a stronger argument. In many ways it's opened my eyes and made me a better Muslim.
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Welcome Def
written by Malawi , October 14, 2012
Def, aren't you worried that only oil rich (GCC) Muslim countries have peace? What happens when there's no oil? MB, Hamas, Hez, Al Qaeda could never happen in these places where there is so much money to spend and people are very exposed and westernized. The first step to liberating Islam is enlightening the people. In the recent case of anti-islam movie protests, these regions rarely protested, if at all, very very peaceful compared to the poor Islamic nations. I think only enlightened and well-to-do Islamists value their lives above whatever they learn from their so-called scholars
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def
written by fineliving56 , October 14, 2012
Good for you

but, you have NOT proven one darn thing of authenticity of Islam as TRUE word of God .

If the meaning of the word '' idrubuhuna'' that your non Arabic speaking imams have lied about, and you swallowed it as the truth '' is any indication of your '' strong argument, then you are have been deceived '

How could let lying Imams fool you like that ? .. Why don't you investigate for your self instead of believing these filthy greasy and two faced snakes imams ...

We have shut down every thing you guys brought from your strong armament, you have not been able to convince one infidel of Islam as true word of God like you claim .

I have an idea

Why don't you tell one of your imams to try to come here to refute, .one charge we have brought down on Quran//Muhammad amd Islam .

try it ... def/Abc
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written by fineliving56 , October 14, 2012
I meant to say '' argument '' not '' armament ''
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Khadija, take a broader view in time and for mankind as a whole
written by Demsci , October 14, 2012
Khadija, you ask:
"why r u doing this,man??what will u get by hating on someone's religion?"

Please do not only think of yourself and your community but about the future of all mankind. There may be something better for mankind than Islam. The website-owner thinks this and that is why he shows the shortcoming sides and the probable untruth of Islam.

You probably only heard and are interested in the good-feeling side of Islam. You probably are not open at all to a different and better belief and life-style than Islam.

For instance, Quran-Hadiths-Sira are supposed to be divine. And because of that they cannot be changed one word, nothing can be scrapped from them and nothing can be added to them. This is supposed to go on until judgment day. But it has been 1300-1400 years now since the holy texts came to the world and the world has since much changed. How much longer will the Muslims have to rely on the Quran-Hadiths-Sira unchanged???

If they had been supposed to be manmade, like the constitution and laws of democratic states, mankind would long since have changed, scrapped, improved and added words and laws to Quran-Hadiths-Sira so that they were better adapted to the times and there would be no misunderstanding and no quessing but almost universal agreement about what the texts mean and mean not and what they order muslims to do and not to do.

But Quran-Hadiths-Sira are now hopelessly unclear, incomplete, ambiguous, understood and practised in many different ways by Muslims. So naturally it is very possible that the Taliban, OR YOU, or both, misunderstand these holy texts, if you indeed have studied them well and complete and honest enough, which is doubtful with many Muslims.

And for the future of mankind it is best to show and warn mankind of these shortcomings of the Islamic holy texts, because there might be something better than Islam for future mankind!

Just as Muslims suppose that Islam was better than what came before it. But that means that somehow many people suffered because their belief, from before Islam, was being criticized and fought against by the early Muslims. In a way this website-owner revenges the adherents of previous religions that Islam condemned, fought, suppressed and replaced in the territories it is in now.
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@ def
written by This is Rami Rustom , October 14, 2012
> I have been around for a yearish. In that time these moronic articles and these haters and their deceitful ways have become apparent.

Did you see my 3 articles? Do you think they were moronic? Do you think me a hater? Do you think my ways are deceitful?

> Every time they threw up their best I am able to read and research a stronger argument. In many ways it's opened my eyes and made me a better Muslim.

Do you have criticisms of my ideas?

Here are my articles (also posted on this site) and below that is some discussion I had with a Muslim:

Is Allah real?
http://ramirustom.blogspot.com/2012/09/is-allah-real.html

Why Most Terrorists Are Muslims
http://ramirustom.blogspot.com/2012/09/why-most-terrorists-are-muslims.html

Why don’t Ex-Muslims go public?
http://ramirustom.blogspot.com/2012/09/why-dont-ex-muslims-go-public.html

I explain that punishment is immoral and that Islam is big on punishment. The Muslim says that punishment is not always bad and that Islam doesn't really explain to punish people.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Fabric-of-Reality/message/24913

That discussion took a tangent to sexism in Islam. He denied it.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Fabric-of-Reality/message/24954

That discussion took a tangent to the idea that Islam (and all religions) necessarily cause factions. And one of the Quranic verses is against factions, thus the Quran is self-contradictory.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Fabric-of-Reality/message/24984

One of those discussions took a tangent to the politics and history of Islam upon Mohamed's death. Actually many of the tangents touched on this point.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Fabric-of-Reality/message/24985

The sexism discussion touched on the this new rationalization that I've never heard from Muslims before: 7th century Arabs counting age from the age of mental maturity, so that he could deny that Mohamed married a pre-menstrual girl.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Fabric-of-Reality/message/24996

One of those discussions took a tangent to the idea that the Quran is consistent with modern science.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Fabric-of-Reality/message/25006

One of those discussions took a tangent to the idea that Islam criticism is equivalent to antisemitism.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Fabric-of-Reality/message/24953
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Savages
written by Guy Macher , October 14, 2012
Allah, Mohamed and every devout Muslim must condone what the attackers did. Savages.
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Def make the argument
written by Guy Macher , October 14, 2012
Make the argument that shooting a little girl isn't savage. Use the Koran to prove it is wrong. And don't use abrogated verses.
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written by Jye , October 14, 2012
written by def
Every time they threw up their best I am able to read and research a stronger argument. In many ways it's opened my eyes and made me a better Muslim.

And yet you rarely if ever shared these "stronger arguments" on the forum. Hmmm...
"A better Muslim" (that hasn't heard of the Sunnah) LOL
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Malawi
written by def , October 14, 2012
The sooner Saudi Arabia runs out of oil the better!
The sooner the Saudi government are tried as traitors then the better!
Clear?
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Fine living
written by def , October 14, 2012
Time and time again reed presented you with how the word is used!
I think he even included the verses.
Still you use it in isolation and insist you know what you are talking about!
How did that conversation end? I think someone screamed taqiyya and he just could be asked to take it further!
The same thing happened when we discussed your other favourite word "lam yahidna"
Why would I call anyone when you cannot convince anyone???
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Rami
written by def , October 14, 2012
Don't get in a twist. Some articles were not bad.
I'm sure you know the and read the rubbish ones.
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@ def
written by This is Rami Rustom , October 14, 2012
> Don't get in a twist. Some articles were not bad.

So you don't have any criticisms of my ideas? Or is just that you don't want to post your criticisms?

If you don't criticize my ideas, then you take them as true. Note that one of my articles explained how knowledge is created. If an idea is left uncriticized, then it is considered the truth (for now, until someone in the future refutes it).

So which is? Do you have criticisms?

If so, please post them.

But if you don't have any criticisms, then why are you still a Muslim?
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abc / def
written by fineliving56 , October 14, 2012
Now pay attention …

Reed the non Arab convert to Islam has posted all the words of '' DARB '' in compounded form IN QURAN and and I REFUTED him in each case , AND THEN HE DID NOT COME BACK WITH A REFUTE after that I took it as, he was throughly DEFEATED … he did not come back with any criticism of my criticism .

He was wrong on the word '' Idrubuhuna '' in 4/34 … and I proved it , I will be happy to prove him wrong again and post the whole refute again .
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@ def
written by This is Rami Rustom , October 14, 2012
> Time and time again reed presented you with how the word is used!

Repeating an idea multiple times does not make an idea true.

> I think he even included the verses.

You think? So you're not sure?

> Still you use it in isolation and insist you know what you are talking about!

Because she does know.

> How did that conversation end? I think someone screamed taqiyya and he just could be asked to take it further!

You "think" again? So you're not sure.

> The same thing happened when we discussed your other favourite word "lam yahidna" Why would I call anyone when you cannot convince anyone???

Someone not getting convinced doesn't mean that the speaker is wrong. It can mean that the listener is an idiot.
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def
written by fineliving56 , October 14, 2012
Your not convinced? Try this

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Beat_your_Wives_or_"Separate_from_Them"?_(Qur'an_4:34)
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@ def
written by This is Rami Rustom , October 14, 2012
To clarify for fineliving56:

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Beat_your_Wives_or_"Separate_from_Them"?_(Qur'an_4:34)

If you disagree with a part of that explanation that asserts that Quran 4:34 says for husbands to hit their wives, then that means you believe it has one or more flaws. So if that is the case, then quote the relevant text, point out the flaw, and explain why you think its flawed.
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Abc/def
written by fineliving56 , October 14, 2012
Refusing to accept defeat does NOT mean he has not been defeated .

Reed was refuted by me, concerning the key words in Quran EVERY TIME they brought up …

I have explain many time how …''Lam'' was used in 65/ 4 and NOT [ LAN ] and the effect of that on the meaning of '' yahidnna ''

Now, the fact that Reed and you did not come back with a refute, that means you have nothing to come back with, and in turn Reed and you were debunked.

Both of you know nothing of the Arabic language , and I do .. Reed has asked me to help him with his stumbles in Arabic and I agreed to help him … and there is nothing wrong with that .
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Islam's sordid records
written by Montegue , October 14, 2012
Islam's problems were invented by an illiterate voyeuristic man who thought himself smart enough to lie to all men. The religion reigns over only nations of slaves and barbarians, who mimic every trait of their master, the man who touted himself as a moral supreme being, who expected every chastity of his worshipers' wives and daughters and yet he himself defiled the to be wedded wife of Zaynab Bint Jash, his adopted son. Muslims, even among their historians, are just willing slaves who perpetually flatter their damned master at all costs to lie in their historical records. As such their their scholars are confounded and exhausted with in attempts to cover up or erase every vestige of the evil and shameful deeds of Mohammad. They even defend and kill themselves for their worthless Allah who silently enjoys seeing Aisha, Mohammad's wife, copulating with Mohammad's followers and not come to testify against her, leaving him to accuse without being able to drop a verdict on her.

Muslims are simply the deluded dregs of all nations. Much more appalling to infidels is the willingness of their women, coming out in droves, to defend and exhort their own oppressors.
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written by Reed Wilson. , October 14, 2012
fineliving. You write "Now, the fact that Reed and you did not come back with a refute, that means you have nothing to come back with, and in turn Reed and you were debunked."

Does it prove that? How simple!!

"Both of you know nothing of the Arabic language , and I do .. Reed has asked me to help him with his stumbles in Arabic and I agreed to help him … and there is nothing wrong with that."

I wonder if I ever said that. I use ready made translations of Quran done by Arabic knowing translators. Your Syrian Arabic confuses you.
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written by Reed Wilson. , October 15, 2012

fineliving. You misinform "Reed the non Arab convert to Islam has posted all the words of '' DARB '' in compounded form IN QURAN and and I REFUTED him in each case , AND THEN HE DID NOT COME BACK WITH A REFUTE after that I took it as, he was throughly DEFEATED … he did not come back with any criticism of my criticism."

Please go back to those pages and threads. It is different that you have chosen to live in fools paradise. I some time dont feel necessary to answer some people according to following guidance:

خُذِ الْعَفْوَ وَأْمُرْ بِالْعُرْفِ وَأَعْرِضْ عَنِ الْجَاهِلِينَ

" Show forgiveness, enjoin equity, and avoid the ignorant." 7:199

You start beating drums of your victory.
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Fineliving
written by abc , October 15, 2012
According to Quran the relationship between the husband and wife should be based on mutual love and kindness. Allah says: "And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquility with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs for those who reflect." (Quran: Ar-Rum 21)


“Live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal of good.” (Quran: An-Nisaa 19)

You cannot take a verb in isolation to try and prove a point. That's not how it works. That is not how Islamic law is derived.

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Fineliving
written by abc , October 15, 2012
According to Quran the relationship between the husband and wife should be based on mutual love and kindness. Allah says: "And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquility with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs for those who reflect." (Quran: Ar-Rum 21)


“Live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal of good.” (Quran: An-Nisaa 19)

You cannot take a verb in isolation to try and prove a point. That's not how it works. That is not how Islamic law is derived.

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Reed
written by fineliving56 , October 15, 2012
It is not about any victory of anyone …

Islam watch is about the scrutiny of Islam and its prophet …. it is about bringing out the truth as it happened and bring out the lies biased Muslims made up .

I am participation in here to help bring out the *real and exact truth* about Muhammad/Quran.hadeeth,Sirah, …

The tradition way of doing it, is , for someone to bring out an issue ,in Islam and the other side have to criticize it back and forth …. and whatever issues left uncriticized, it will be considered the truth for now [ as Rami Rustom said ]

So for you, Reed to refuse to post back a refute to my charge, because ,as you say, you do not want to answer to ignorance , is IN IT SELF IS IGNORANCE .

I am surprised, of your post … didn't you know that by not coming back with a rebuttal after my rebuttal about the word '' idrubuhuna '' I am going to assume that you have nothing to say about it, because you agree with my rebuttal.

Why come here and post lies and dissipation … it is not right …Reed

I am not going to call you a fool like you called me .. I choose to refrain from name calling .

Go and check the link I provided and learn why '' idrubuhunna '' means '' beat them '' and not any of the compounded words that you have provided.

like…. Idrub Mathalan …or ... idrub fi al'ardi …. among others .

your refusal to agree about the REAL truth of that word, tells me that you do not CARE ABOUT THE TRUTH … instead …. You WANT to make up YOUR OWE truth about Quran and the word '' idrubuhuna '' so you can RATIONALIZE and say …Quran does not allows beating women.

Again … read my link from wikipila … and then come back and provide a refute to the link .






So when
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written by Jye , October 15, 2012
I have a copy of the Quran translated by Aisha Bewley. I deliberately chose this translation because it was done by a woman and I was curious.
4:34 says:
Men have charge of women because Allah has preferred the one above the other and because they spend their wealth on them. Right-acting women are obedient, safeguarding their husbands’ interests in their absence as Allah has guarded them. If there are women whose disobedience you fear, you may admonish them, refuse to sleep with them, and then beat them. But if they obey you, do not look for a way to punish them. Allah is All-High, Most Great.
I also have a Quran on PDF translated by Mohammed Pickthall. in his translation the the word beat is replaced with scourge.
scourge   [skurj] Show IPA noun, verb, scourged, scourg·ing.
noun
1. a whip or lash, especially for the infliction of punishment or torture.
And I have seen the word chastise used in place of beat and scourge.
chas·tise   [chas-tahyz, chas-tahyz] Show IPA
verb (used with object), chas·tised, chas·tis·ing.
1.to discipline, especially by corporal punishment.

I don't know what the Arabic word is, and since it has been translated into English, it's irrelevant. It's quite clear what verse 4:34 says; all synonyms of the same thing. It instructs a Muslim man to physically abuse his wife if he suspects her to be disobedient.
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Oh dear
written by abc , October 15, 2012
Ok, islamic law experts!
Scenario 1.
Wife has cooked a dish you don't like. You have told her you don't like that dish before. Can I now grab my knuckledusters and chin her??

Scenario 2.
One morning she wakes up and declares herself an apostate???
Can I chin her now?

Come on experts i need some advice as to when I can use the right cross!!!
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written by Jye , October 15, 2012
Refer to your religious texts, abc. What do they say? You can interpret them anyway you want, but your religious texts are pretty clear. Verse 4:34 says a man has the right to beat a suspected disobedient wife, and both the Quran and Hadiths support the killing of apostates.
So, knock yourself out, your God has given you the go ahead.
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Hello
written by Betty , October 15, 2012
If these rules in Islam aren't real, why are they practised all over the world?

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Jye
written by abc , October 15, 2012
Thank you!
I think I've proved my point!
You jack asses know nothing!
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written by Jye , October 15, 2012
Exactly what point have you proven, abc? I know what I have read from YOUR religious texts. There's no confusion.
Is your point that you live in delusion land where black means white and Islam really does mean peace?
If that's the case then you're welcome; I'm happy to prove your point that you're deluded.

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@ Malem Moron
written by Brown Superman , October 15, 2012
"I like your opinionated translation spin on the Koran!"

You must be quite sick to like spin on the koran. Are you a muslim or has your new found land fed you with pork, to like a spin on koran?
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@Malem
written by heapologiatoutimotheou , October 15, 2012
Uh, I looked up the verse in question, Sura 5:6, on a reputable translation site. It was as misogynistic as it's presented in this article.

I think the fact that you have two wives is proof enough that your opinion is biased.
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Brown
written by Malem , October 15, 2012
You really dont understand sarcasm do you lad.

Heap, your statement is a heap, a heap of garbarge that is. You think you know what you are talking about but you are long lost lad. You are just another uniformed poster who reads a verse here and there and then tries to profess their expertise, haha, well you still sound ignorant of the subject at hand.
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@ Malem
written by This is Rami Rustom , October 16, 2012
> You really dont understand sarcasm do you lad. Heap, your statement is a heap, a heap of garbarge that is.

Unexplained assertion.

> You think you know what you are talking about but you are long lost lad.

Unexplained assertion.

> You are just another uniformed poster who reads a verse here and there and then tries to profess their expertise, haha, well you still sound ignorant of the subject at hand.

Unexplained assertion.

I just lost a few seconds of my life and I can't get it back. Thank you, Malem. (sarcasm)

Please, going forward explain your assertions using content. Let readers examine whether your assertion is right or not. We need content in order to do that.
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abc
written by Kaser , October 16, 2012
SCENARIO 1: Wife cooks yet another dish the husband does not like:
POSSIBLE REACTIONS:
1- Muslim husband A orders wives 2, 3, or 4 to cook from now on. Wife 1 spared preparing food - happy - but risks downgrading of her position in harem.
2- Muslim husband B refuses to eat, fixes his own meal, then "punishes" wife by not sleeping with her. Wife happy, no tedious joyless sex tonight (having been mutilated as a young girl, never knew pleasure anyway).
3- Salafi Muslim husband C in Islamic country, slaps her, throws food on the floor (and a tantrum). Repeats. Curses her "weak intelligence".

SCENARIO 2: Wife wakes up, declares apostasy:
POSSIBLE REACTIONS:
1- Muslim husband A orders wives 2, 3, and 4 to become wives 1, 2 and 3. New wife 4 (apostate) gives husband the finger, leaves household and gets a new life. Congrats! Husband worried this might have repercussions on other wives...
2- Muslim husband B can't believe it. Sees the light, decides to also leave Islam - but grows eyes behind his head, fearful of "repercussions"...
3- Salafi Muslim husband C slaps her some more, throws her on the floor (and a few kicks) - threatens death. Bad day in store for wife, whose already living a bad life anyho.

US WESTERN MALES would:
SCENARIO 1: Talk about it. Maybe I don't like the food, bu she does. Fair enough give and take. Next supper, I'll make the meal, that will show her !!!
SCENARIO 2: You're leaving the religion! It's about time !!!

Cheers,
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Kaser
written by Malem , October 16, 2012
Scenario : Random anonymous poster posts a dumb post on a website, they have no verification or knowledge to post such but do anyways to and disparage another persons religious choice

Sound familiar kaser....it should its the majority of your posts.
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But if
written by Betty , October 16, 2012
their "religious choice" isn't really religious at all, what's the problem? I know that a lot of Germans in Nazi Germany thought that Hitler was a messianic prophet, but he was a scoundrel and murderer. What I have read about Muhammad makes me think he is no better and in fact a lot worse than Hitler ever dreamed of being.Also this, I have read exhaustingly the posts on this website, and I notice that a poster Reed Wilson and Malem claim not to believe in hadith? Does being in the 1/2 of 1&#xti;le of Muslims not make their posts absolute rubbish? Thanks for this opportunity to see others fighting the fight of the 21st century, we will be victorious!
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Betty
written by fineliving56 , October 16, 2012
I second that …. betty

Humanity will be victorious over, Death over religions, Fear mongering and Rape children under the excuse of marriage …… among many more .

We will not stop
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Malem
written by Kaser , October 16, 2012
Malem... I really lit you up!!! But as always, you cave in to childish mud slinging.

Are you saying my post above does not depict reality (at least the non-humoristic portions).
Are you saying that a woman leaving Islam in Islamic countries will be able to do so without problems? Without repercussions?
Are you saying that a woman living in Islamic countries is never the subject of Religious-driven violence?

In my country, there is violence against women by low-life cowards. But these low-life cowards are not driven by religion.
Only Islam instructs husbands to beat their wives - whether or not you abide by this make no difference. Many Muslim men do.

Now please Malem, post another rant about how I don't understand anything... Please do.
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Betty, Fineliving
written by Kaser , October 16, 2012
Malem's not believing in Hadith is not the source of his "rubbish" as you state.
Malem is taking the stance that Islam is perfect and any criticism of it is automatically hateful Islam-bashing.
Critics (like me) are uneducated, unknowing, foaming-at-the-mouth idiots.
Note the constant avoidance of answering fundamental questions about the morality of scriptures.

Here goes again, for fun:

HEY MALEM, ANSWER THIS:
1- Do you beleive in being "ruthless to the unbelievers?"
2- Do you believe women are weak of intelligence and raligion?
3- Do you believe Christians are Vile and Jews are pigs?

Now any sentient human able to read will clearly see these teachings in the Quran.
Will Malem respond?
Wait for it.
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Kaser
written by Malem , October 16, 2012
Kaser your propensity to spout falsehoods is amazing. You state that I am taking the stance that Islam is perfect and any criticism of it is automatically hateful Islam-bashing. Never have I said that, if someone has honest criticism (and I mean not the old 72 virgin crap) I would gladly listen and offer my viewpoint.

Now your statement that “Critics (like me) are uneducated, unknowing, foaming-at-the-mouth idiots”, you labelled yourself, I have not used a description but I will let you call it like you see it.
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good news and bad news
written by Yibel , October 16, 2012
Good news: Malala Yousafzai is now in a British hospital receiving treatment.
Bad news: The Taliban has vowed to murder her should she recover.

The cohesive core of Islam that continues to inspire its long history of violence is the Qur'an and the sayings (aHadith) and actions (Sunnah) of Muhammad. Islam’s doctrine of Shari’ah law is predominately dedicated to imposing control and exacting total obedience from Muslims. Islam is the problem! Ban Islam is the answer!
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@ Malem
written by This is Rami Rustom , October 16, 2012
> if someone has honest criticism (and I mean not the old 72 virgin crap) I would gladly listen and offer my viewpoint.

Here's some honest criticism.

Allah was fabricated by Mohamed, just like all Gods were fabricated by humans.

That idea conflicts with this idea:

Allah exists.

Why do you believe in the 2nd idea instead of the 1st idea?

(before you answer, please read my article titled _Is Allah Real?_)
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@ Malem
written by This is Rami Rustom , October 16, 2012
> Scenario : Random anonymous poster posts a dumb post on a website, they have no verification or knowledge to post such

Instead of making unexplained assertions, its better to quote the relevant text, point out the flaw, and explain why you think its a flaw.

If you don't do that, then why do you think your post is any smarter than Kaser's post?

> but do anyways to and disparage another persons religious choice

I think you are assuming that he does it to "disparage" *your* religious choice. What is your argument for that? How do you know he's not just criticizing Islam and criticizing the majority of its followers who are as immoral as Muslims were in the 7th century? Why do you think his criticism is directed at you?

If you didn't mean *your* religious choice, then what did you mean?
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Lad Malam
written by fineliving56 , October 16, 2012
You said

'' not the old 72 virgins c__p ''

Then in that case, if we talk about the old '' un numbered'' virgins c__p, would that makes you happy ?

We know and you know … Quran has repeated time and time again that Muslim men will have many virgins [in plural ] with no number mentioned .

You harp on the # 72 of virgins … and by doing that , you duck answering why in the name Allah, would Allah, promise young virgins with big black eyes and big breasted, never been touched to Muslim men, while nothing in the fate of their wives ?

I know you will duck this question as you have done before … I only asked, for the reader to see the absurdity of Muslims when they harp on only the number 72 of virgins to deliberately avoid addressing the ** real gigantic problem with promising unlimited virgins ** to Muslim men .

72 or unlimited virgins … which is WORSE …ask your self ?



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@ Malem Moron
written by Brown Superman , October 16, 2012
Of course my statements are heaps and heaps of garbage for you. That is what you love to feed on.

Grow up little boy!
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@ fineliving56
written by Brown Superman , October 16, 2012
Let me answer that, on behald of that moron lad Malem.

Allah is a pimp running a brothel in heaven. The wives of muslim men are recycled (especially the hymen) into houris and put for use as if new. Thus " never been touched to muslim men". Also, Allah blows air into the points to inflate those at the chest.
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Malem is not happy with 72 houries!
written by Kafirwala , October 16, 2012
Dear Fineliving! Haven't you got it right? Whenever some one mentions 72 houries or 28 pearly boys, this dimwit Malem makes a hue and cry and says there is no mention of that in Quran. It is true! There is no mention of 72 or 28 ( in all 100) in Quran! According to Malem, the pimp Allah is offering countless black eyed and big breasted young virgins and pearly boys in his brothel called jannat! The truth being this, how can he tolerate somebody limiting the no. of virgins and boys to 72 and 28! He just cannot think of it and in no mood to agree to the no.s some fools here quote from the unreliable hadeeth! He will oppose it with tooth and nail and will call it sheer crap, whether you like it or not. He is thinking of the time Allah is going to grant him hundreds and hundreds of damsels and pearly boys for his eternal sexual gratification in his afterlife ( of course as a reward for the excellent taquiyya excercises he performs in this site!) and also in the process of equipping himself to enjoy Allah's rewards in full when the time ripens!
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Well Kaser
written by Betty , October 16, 2012
I see that Malem has responded to your post but has not answered one of your simple questions? It makes me wonder if he is a muslim at all, since he doesn't seem to know his own Qu'ran, aren't these verses easily looked up even for a beginner? With all the different translations by and for Muslims all over the Internet, it should be very easy for him to respond, just google it and read what they say.
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With a little research I found this
written by Betty , October 16, 2012
Sahih International Qur'an translation
Starting in verse 54 of Surah 55 Ar-Raĥmān and going to the end of the Surah women/girls are mentioned many times.
Then in Surah 52 Aţ-Ţūr starting at verse 24 boys are mentioned, almost as if they have been saved from Hell by Allah to serve the men, any way they want.
Some answers I found Kaser, Qur'an Surah 48 Al-Fatĥ verse 59 "ruthless to the unbelievers"
Then in Surah 5 Al-Mā'idah verses 59-60 Cursed by Allah "Allah has cursed and with whom He became angry and made of them apes and pigs and slaves of Taghut" Taghut means rebel, as in we don't believe you.

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Betty
written by Malem , October 16, 2012
The key word in your post is "little" as you did little to understand the entire Surah. Instead of using this article to further your islamophobic behavior why do you not just come out and state that this was a terrible acto f violence, committed by men whom follow no religion. Islam has no play in this crime and has no directive to do so.

Now as for Finelivings assertion that I am a moron, that is an interesting comment coming from a self confessed liar. Yes the person who lies to her own family and friends, have you no shame. That is so sad to live in such a dark corner. Yet you also try to use this terrible crime as a platform to further your hate speech, quite sad, very sad.

As for responding to Kaser, there was no direct question as I stated, should there be one, it might be answered. Peace
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Betty
written by Malem , October 16, 2012
That is not research, that is cutting and pasting from various websites. For example you mention 52:24, this is just a statement concerning the perpetual freshenss and cleanliness serving food like scattered pearls in Heaven. It does not say what you state above, too bad you had to bring that kind of gutter mind into the conversation. In fact Islam speaks out against such behavior Betty, look at 7:80-81

Finally instead of using the above article about the crime on a poor little girl for your own reward, why not speak out against the violent act in the article. Is there any reason you have not done so, you should be ashamed. Not once did you mention the young girl and what happened, it clearly shows your hatred has overshadowed your reasoning as a compasionate human. Very sad
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To all
written by Kaser , October 16, 2012
Proof in point.
No answers from Malem, as usual.
You are right Kafirwala, there is Taqqiya present here!
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It goes without saying Malem
written by Betty , October 16, 2012
that the way the child was treated is horrible.I see where the Taliban has issued another death threat against her.Why don't you and yours that practice Islam speak? But the words in the Qur'an about the boys is irrefutable as to what is meant, they are for sex with the participants and dwellers of Paradise, as well as the houri's there. In my thinking, sex after death is sick beyond humanity, to have material urges in Heaven is disgusting. Do you yourself plan to have an eternal erection there? Are you a real man? Are your wives going to be there to witness your repeated intercourse with houris? Or are they going to be someone elses houris? You are a sick man. And btw, you still haven't answered Kaser.
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Malem
written by Betty , October 16, 2012
And is Sahih International translation a "various website"? Do you even know what it is? My guess would be you don't. You really just bluster on and on about small insignificant matters when the elephant in the room is showing everyone what a cruel cult Islam is.
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Betty
written by Malem , October 16, 2012
Betty, you fascination with pointing out the word Boys was used in the Koran is almost laughable. The article is about a poor girls awful attack by men who are animals at best. You avoided ever mentioning the article until I pointed out you were just using it for your own gain. That behavior is quite sad.

Who are these houris you are fascinating about? Why are you asking about my erection? What kind of person are you? Is that lady like behavior? As for my wives, you can easily disparage them with anonymous posting, it only points out the kind of lady you are, and you have to live with that. So maybe you should look in the mirror and ask the same questions of yourself lass.

As for the translation site, I need not one. I can read the Koran verbatim dear, it is you that hath to depend on others to tell you what it means.
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@ Malem
written by This is Rami Rustom , October 16, 2012
> As for the translation site, I need not one. I can read the Koran verbatim dear, it is you that hath to depend on others to tell you what it means.

Ah you want to translate the Quran on your own. Thats good because many of the translations (from both pro-Islam and Islam-critical sites) are flawed. I have found many of those flaws myself.

Please see my post where I criticized some of your Islamic claims where I also cited some Quranic verses. Translate them yourself and we'll go back and forth criticizing each other's translations until we agree.
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Malem
written by Kaser , October 16, 2012
I indeed also find the attack on a 14 year-old girl that speaks against the Taliban infuriating.
That they are animals at best, I agree with you Malem. You leave out that they are motivated by Islamic teachings?
They resort to violence because their cause cannot be argued logically.

Again, this kind of attack on a young woman proves my point: Women will be the downfall of Islam. Attacking her is a true sign they also have identified the main threat against them.

The Oppressive bearded buffoons will fall.

Cheers,
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Kaser
written by Malem , October 17, 2012
I agree with you to a point that they are animals as I stated, but where you go off the rails is that you state they are motivated by Islam. That is untrue, there is NOT one word in the Quran that supports in any way that they did. What they have done is create their own version of Islam, a bogus version. Similar to the idiot pastor in Florida Terry Jones, who not only wants to burn the quran but protests at the furnerals of his own countries military people to yell that they deserve to be dead, and that god hates them and hates homosexuals and they also should be killed. is he really following the Book (bible), NO he made his own rules up. I think that the Taliban and such fringe groups do more to hurt the reputation of Islam than anything, I wis they would just go off and stay in the mountains.

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Malem
written by Kaser , October 17, 2012
I agree with your comparing Taliban with extreme Christian pastors. It's just that there are so few extreme pastors and so many Islamic extremists. That you say the Taliban have their own version of Islam, I somewhat disagree - the core of their belief system is still Islam.

The Taliban interpret the Quranic verses in a violent manner that suits their goals and morals.
Like Boko Haram, Ansar Dine, Al Shabaab, ect...

The problem lies there Malem - that the Quranic verses are easily interpreted to incite intolerance which breeds violence.
I will not insult your intelligence by pasting said verses here, no more than you will insult mine by denying their existence in the Quran.

The Quranic verses are, by their complicated and convoluted nature, PROOF that humans are at their source.
This is clear, and more than enough for other humans to twist them to their own specific needs.

Would the Quran indeed be the manufacture of a "god" it wolud be different. Imagine the Quran being sent down in a blinding flash of light, simultaneously to all humans, in their own language, would leave no room for doubt. We would all be Muslims. You will admint, Malem, that a god having the power to create the universe could perform such a simple task no?

But this is not so. The Quran is the work of one man (and his followers thereafter) because at the time, they had the EXACT same NEEDS that Boko Haram, Ansar Dine, the Taliban and others have now to this day...

... namely, control over other humans - mainly women.

Cheers
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Malem
written by Betty , October 17, 2012
It seems that obfuscation is your weapon of choice. You know, if you have studied the Qur'an what exactly houris are. I could post Surah after Surah pointing them out to you, but everyone here knows you for what you are.
The only copy/paste I used was the title of the Surahs, as my keyboard won't write arabic.
As for asking about your erection, the point was are YOUR wives going to be there to see you galloping around Jannah with your penis flopping here and there,or will they even get to heaven, having sex with houri after houri? Simple questions for a simple man.
Here in the US women are allowed to speak as they please, we aren't restricted by hung up males with masculinity and denial problems, so I can say anything I want.
And btw, you still haven't answered Kaser's questions, I did.
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Betty
written by Malem , October 17, 2012
Again, why are you so fascinated with my privates? Yes you are allowed to speak freely as my wives are, however they choose to use civil discussion and you choose to use vulgarity and sexual innuendos. So say anything you want, who cares, I surely dont! Peace lass and good luck with cleaning up your dirty little mind :)

Stay Classy!
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As usual
written by Betty , October 17, 2012
obfuscation
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Lad Malam
written by fineliving56 , October 17, 2012
Who do you think you are, to tell any women to stay classy !?

The fact that, you, divide your time between two wives, back and forth, of course, with their knowledge, makes you the last man on this earth to have the nerve to talk about class …

Look how you bring up your wives subject in every other post PROUD and stomping on chest, while you should be hiding that fact when you are talking to non Muslims, because in their eyes, you are nothing but a bigamist and NOTHING ABOUT THAT, IS CLASSY.

Just stop talking about your wives … you look like a fool, Malam .. you are trying to look so democratic, while you give half a man to a whole women, and you do not allow your wives to do the same [ as Quran does not allow ]

You are really laying it thick .
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fineliving56
written by Betty , October 17, 2012
It is funny him telling me to "Stay Classy" when he dresses his women in a black mobile tent that scares the bejesus out of the kids here in the US. I would guess he is ashamed of them, and he doesn't want the world to see them. That takes a lot of class.
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Betty
written by Malem , October 17, 2012
Betty, now you are showing your true character finally, as well as your lack of any knowledge of Islam. You see you gain your knowledge from a few tv shows and sites like this. My wives wear a hijab, basically a kerchief covering their hair only. Similar to what some women wear in other countries including the states. Your think in your small mind that people wear burqahs? hahaha you watch too much Taliban TV!! The Koran says nothing about such, but you wouldnt know that because youve never taken the time to read about what you want to discuss. As for the stay classy remark it was you who asked about my private parts lass, not me. Stay Classy Betty, your doing a great job hahaha
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Malem
written by Betty , October 17, 2012
I am so glad you get a laugh out of your own remarks. I just wonder why you are afraid to answer a girls question about what your wives will do when you are having sexual intercourse all over the place in Jannah? Since you are an expert in Qur'an, please tell me if your wives will be allowed there? And will it not bother you to be having sexual intercourse with houris with them watching on? You apparently have no respect for women, and I'm sure having 2 wives makes you a big man in your own eyes, but to me , and my thinking, you are breaking the hearts of your wives, a little at a time. Your time will come when you will answer for what you've done to 2 helpless women, stuck in a cult that was predestined by parents and imans and you.
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Malem
written by Betty , October 17, 2012
You stated before "Now as for Finelivings assertion that I am a moron, that is an interesting comment coming from a self confessed liar. Yes the person who lies to her own family and friends, have you no shame. That is so sad to live in such a dark corner ", what is so peculiar about that? She values her life, and we all know what the outcome for apostates in Islam is, death. I wonder if you consider that your wives may be talking behind your back and smiling to your face, as I know I would be if a man put me as second or third best. You need to come to grips with the 21st century and realize that you really can't treat people as chattel like you do with your goats.People have feelings, I know it's a stretch for you to think about your wives that way, but they have their own thoughts that you know nothing about, dreams and desires that you don't fulfil for them. So beware of the pissed off woman!
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Betty
written by Malem , October 17, 2012
Betty Betty Betty, lass you are so infatuated with my privates and my sex life it is awfully weird. Maybe you need to get a husband or boyfriend to have a decent relationship with, rather than engorge in some fantasy on a website as you are doing. Just so you know (and realize how much you dont know,which is a lot) my wives met me in social settings and were never pushed into marrying me. In fact they both finished college and obtained jobs prior to doing so. Good luck addressing your obsession and as always, stay classy Betty your doing a great job !! hahaha

FYI Betty the article was about a poor little girl and the animals whom attacked her, not satisfying your bizarre fantasies....
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Malem
written by Betty , October 17, 2012
Again you obfuscate and don't answer. I just wonder why you are afraid to answer a girls question about what your wives will do when you are having sexual intercourse all over the place in Jannah? Since you are an expert in Qur'an, please tell me if your wives will be allowed there? And will it not bother you to be having sexual intercourse with houris with them watching on? You apparently have no respect for women, and I'm sure having 2 wives makes you a big man in your own eyes, but to me , and my thinking, you are breaking the hearts of your wives, a little at a time. Your time will come when you will answer for what you've done to 2 helpless women, stuck in a cult that was predestined by parents and imans and you.
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To Malem
written by Archpagan , October 17, 2012
Betty asked you very pertinent questions:

'Do you yourself plan to have an eternal erection there? Are you a real man? Are your wives going to be there to witness your repeated intercourse with houris? Or are they going to be someone else houris?

If those words appear vulgar/salacious for a lady to raise, then the faults rest with your scriptures not her. Why is there no demand from 'good' Muslims like you to ban parts of Scripture giving such vulgarity in the garb of religion/ spirituality? Answer like a virile man; don't behave like a newly-wed young bride.
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Archpagan, Betty - regarding Malem
written by Kaser , October 17, 2012
Archpagan, Betty,

You will not get logical answers from Malem. He needs Islam whole and uncontested to continue his way of life.
He does not want to discuss Islam's many loopholes and obvious deficiencies. He knows about them.
His position is that Islam is perfect. If pushed in a corner, he will closes his eyes, blocks his ears and repeat "I am not listening... Ta-dee-dah... I am not listening..."

Him ever so slightly admitting that ANY portion of Islam is nonsence would open the floodgates. If a portion of Islam is flawed, then the rest is also flawed.
We would jump on this. He knows this.

Malem will never open a frank discussion about Islam because he does NOT want to, does not CARE to.
To maintain his two wives and his way of life, Islam must remain intact.

You will never get answers from him...
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Archpagan, Betty
written by Kaser , October 17, 2012
Notice Malem does not refer the the little girl's aggressors as "Islamic extremists" or "Islamic-fanatics" - Which we all know they are.
He calls them "animals" - which they are also...
But he purposefully avoids the "Islamic" word because it suits his needs and belief system.
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Archpagan
written by Duke Indian , October 17, 2012

What spirituality you expect in the Quran? my foot!......
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betty
written by fineliving56 , October 18, 2012
'' you are breaking your 2 wives hearts ''

I have said the same thing to Malam, last year .

I have tried to make him understand from women's prospective and, as usual, he talked of what '' he THINKS '' his knows what in his first wife heart ! … what a fool?

When he replaced his first wife, with his second wife, Instead of letting her go to marry other man,[ or let her free ] like any DECENT MAN WOULD DO, he acts, typically, and keeps her to keep his boredom at bay or out of charity .

He did not know that when he told her, he is going to marry another , he broke something in her, it will never comeback … she might not tell him out of [ what ever ] but her love is nothing like it should be … so he is living a lie … I have no respect of such a man what so ever ..

How he likes it, if his first wife said … I want to marry a man, but I like to keep you on the side ?

Oh … No … it is not possible !… he would see RED, and he will kick her out and repeat to her [ Talaq … talaq … talaq ] and their marriage is over .

Betty ..

It is amazing how unfair Muslim women are treated in Islam…

When a woman is kicked out by her husband saying the three words to announce her divorce , she have to go to her families. If her husband want her back , SHE HAS TO MARRY ANOTHER MAN AND CONSUMMATE THE MARIGE and then divorce the second husband [ and we all know how easy to do that ] so she will be able, by Quran's law, to go back to him …

As a Teen … I asked, what is the wisdom behind this cruel treatment of women, the answer was more then cruel .. this was the answer :

'' so women will learn their lesson and not, ask for divorce every day and a lesson for the husbands too, so they will not throw out their wives , every day ..
So making the wife, marry a stranger for short time, will teach both Muslim husbands and wives the importance, in staying in the marriage and do not complain too much .

As you can see the Islamic marriage has nothing to do with feelings … it is about contracts, lessons, intercourse, children and control of women body.

I mean for a society to make a women marry a stranger for a day just to make her allegeable to marry her abuser [ first husband ] … has to be lowest, it can, reach .


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Fineliving56
written by Kaser , October 18, 2012
Notice Malem never comments proposals to reverse roles.

HEY MALEM - how about it? Would you agree to be married to a woman that already has a husband? Be one of two husbands? Or maybe one of four husbands?

What a joke!!!
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...
written by Jye , October 18, 2012
Great read. I enjoyed reading Malem getting his a$s whipped by two ladies.
:-D
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@ all
written by The Real Indian , October 18, 2012
The only reason why such a big lie as Islam is alive is because the truth itself has many pot holes to prove itself... but that doesn't make truth a lie and lie a truth. Over 40,000 religious structures destroyed in India alone and millions massacered in the name of allah and no Islamist tried stopping it or failed to prevent the blood bath itself speaks of the horrifying nature of the religion. They seem to enjoy the fact that history cannot be proved due to the theories or loop holes in evidence and that makes them the proud believers of religion of peace. Also no religion teaches to lie (Taqquiya) for the good or defence of religion other than Islam.
There's a saying that goes like
You may fool some people all the time(These are poor Islamic believers)
You may fool all the people some time (forceful conversion of conquered tribes and accept allah as the only god)
But You can never fool all the people all of the time(Do you see ex-muslims? Do you see the courage and faith of Indianistic religion to give up and accept Islam and surrender?)
As long as we strong men are alive... Evil Prophet's and all the Muslims dream of conquering all the lands and spreading Islam till everyone fears allah will always be a dream...
Islam Watch keep up the good work
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Jye
written by abc , October 18, 2012
"...
written by Jye , October 18, 2012
Great read. I enjoyed reading Malem getting his a$s whipped by two ladies.
:-D"

Makes a change from having your own arse whupped!
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betty and archpagan
written by malem , October 19, 2012
Your fascination with my private parts is very disturbing, have you no class at all? Or maybe you don't have enough in your own little world and looking for a substitute? I have no idea, but stay classy as always!

As for why I would not respond to your questions, well that's easy, they're dumbass questions

Fineliving I realize your jealousy gets the best of you sometimes but my wives are very happy, and our love is strong as ever. When I return from hajj I hope to take the to the gulf for holiday. Its a beautiful time of year to go. I'd rather go to zabadani, but it appears that option will not be available until the animal bashar is pushed out
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@fineliving56
written by Betty , October 19, 2012
He really won't answer questions will he? He just tries and turn everything around and somehow he believes everyone will think what he says is true. His own Qur'an is full of horrible things, yet he denies them. Does that make him an apostate too? And says those are "dumbass questions", really great and mature use of the English language, which I see by some of his posts goes right over his head. Maybe it's the Camel urine he drinks? Or his goats aren't giving enough milk, I don't know but there's something wrong with him. He thinks your jealous of his wives, that's a hoot, dress in this Halloween costume and join him at his Haj, he would be the one honored.

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Hey Malem !!
written by Kaser , October 19, 2012
Answer my questions ! Pretty please!!

Here goes again: Would you agree to be married to a woman that already has a husband? Be one of two husbands? Or maybe one of four husbands?

Quick, before you leave for Hajj!
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@ Malem
written by This is Rami Rustom , October 19, 2012
> As for why I would not respond to your questions, well that's easy, they're dumbass questions

Yes, asserting without explanation *is* easy. Its also a mistake. It happens to be a type of mistake that you keep repeating.

The hard part about discussion is supporting one's assertions with explanations. This requires thinking. And thinking is hard. Its also fun. You should try it. I think you'd like it.

So think about it. What is your explanation? Why do you think Betty's questions are not worthy of being answered?
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abc/de(a)f/blind/Malem etc
written by non believer , October 19, 2012
If Mohammed has said that women have half the intelligence of women and now that we find that a girl has higher IQ than Einstein. QED Mohammed and Qur'an are wrong. Malem has less intelligence than his wives again proves Mohammed was wrong. he was wrong in stating that evidence of four women= evidence of one man.
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Islam : The religion of misogyny
written by Walter Sieruk , October 19, 2012
This little girl may be a threat to Islam only in that Islam is so weak in it foundations and doctrines that under investigation it would fall. The Taliban are very afraid that maybe if females recieve an education they might look into difference worldview that then start to think for themselves. All this does bring to mind the wisdom of the words of Thomas Jefferson when he wrote "Enlighten the people genreally, and tyranny and oppression of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits ar the dawn of day."
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abc
written by Jye , October 20, 2012
Makes a change from having your own arse whupped!

LOL! A bit hard to be "whupped" by you, abc, when more times than not you skulk away and stop replying. And when I say replying, I mean you never refuting any discussions, but instead posting ridiculous, little insults.
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Jye
written by abc , October 20, 2012
Not sure what you mean.
Let me check my three books and find out!
Rotflmao
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abc
written by Jye , October 20, 2012
Get off the floor. No one expected you to know the Sunnah ans the Hadiths were a part of your religious texts, especially when you have no concept of what a paragraph is.
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abc
written by Jye , October 20, 2012
OK, you can continue rolling on the floor now, if you want.
=)
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...
written by Dwito , October 21, 2012
Indeed! abc is too busy now, lol!!!!!!!!!!!!

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