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CAIR’s MyJihad Propaganda Campaign -- Putting a Happy Face on Evil

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While Jihadis all over the world terrorize and decimate innocent people, Muslim organizations in the West have engaged in an unrelenting media campaign in explaining how beautiful the Islamic idea of Jihad is. Recently the American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI) under its Truth about the Quran project started a subway and bus ads campaign to make Americans aware about the Quranic commandments that inspire Muslims into undertaking Jihadis violence and terrorism.

In response, Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the leading Islamic organization in America, initially tried to block the AFDI ads campaign through legal means. When that failed, CAIR started its own ads campaign, entitled MyJihad, for explaining to Americans the beauty of the sacred Islamic doctrine of Jihad. One such ad shows Muslims in friendly poseur with non-Muslim Americans, and reads: “MyJihad is to build friendship across the aisle.

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Ahmed Rehab, executive director of Propaganda and Enlightenment for CAIR-Chicago, and creator of the campaign, said, the goal is to explain the very misunderstood and sometimes seemingly controversial concept of Jihad.

Jihad in Islam simply means the struggle to a better place,” says Rehab. “Whatever barrier or burdens that you have in your life, you are asked, you are tasked to muster in the inner courage, the inner resolve, the inner determination to overcome those personal barriers, personal issues.

He said the word has been misconstrued by Muslim and anti-Muslim extremists and it’s time to re-educate the public about Islam and its concepts. Often the term “Jihad” is associated with violence and those waging “unholy war.”

The only two things that God judges you by in the tradition of Islam are the two things that you control, your intentions and your effort,” Rehab said. “Your intention being sincere and your effort being for the best. That effort is Jihad.

Deception of CAIR’s MyJihad ads campaign

CAIR launched its MyJihad ad campaign as a counter to AFDI’s subway and bus ads, inscribed with Jihad-inspiring Quranic verses, such as “Soon shall We cast terror into the heart of unbelievers” (3:151). But CAIR’s ads come with no references from the Quran, Hadith or Sirah—the sacred Islamic texts—that may justify what they are claiming to be real Jihad is actually true. When deceiving and misleading the unaware non-Muslim Americans is the sole purpose of this campaign, that’s the best CAIR could do, especially when Allah, the Muslim God, clearly and unequivocally, exhorts Muslims to do exactly opposite of the messages of those ads. In many verses of the Quran, Allah commands Muslims not to make friendship with non-Muslims, never to come to their support, and to cut all social ties with them (see verses 25/28, 6/68, 28/86, 11/113, 4/89, 4/144, 60/1, 60/13, 9/16, 9:23 and many more). A few such verses are cited below:

Quran 60:13: “O you who have believed, do not make allies of a people with whom Allah has become angry (i.e. non-Muslims). They have despaired of [reward in] the Hereafter just as the disbelievers have despaired of [meeting] the inhabitants of the graves.

Quran 9:23: “O you who have believed, do not take your fathers or your brothers as allies if they have preferred disbelief over belief. And whoever does so among you – then it is those who are the wrongdoers.

Quran 28:86: “…Therefore lend not thou support in any way to those who reject (Allah's Message).

When Muslims are commanded by their God to cut all ties even with their own parents and siblings, if they follow another religion than Islam (see 9:23), how can CAIR talk about Jihad as means of building friendship with non-Muslims?

The Real Jihad

A statistical analysis by politicalislam.com shows that a significant part of the sacred Islamic texts (Quran, Sirah and Hadiths) are devoted to Jihad:

1)   The Quran: a) Meccan verses - 0%,  b) Medinan verses - 24%

2)   Sirah (Prophet’s biography) - 67%

3)   Hadith - 21%

In all, 31% of trilogy of sacred Islamic texts are devoted to Jihad.

Statistics also gives us a measure of the claim that the real jihad is the so-called “Greater Jihad”, an inner struggle with the self, whereas the jihad of the sword is the minor “Lesser Jihad”. But the so-called “Greater jihad” covers only 2% of the Jihad-related texts of the Bukhari hadiths, the remaining 98% is devoted to jihad of the sword, the Lesser Jihad. Therefore, what CAIR’s “MyJihad” ads campaign is highlighting could, at best, be talking about the so-called Greater Jihad, which constitutes only 2% of the Jihad component of Islam. And even then, making friendship with non-Muslims does not fall within the scope of the Lesser Jihad, because it is simply a struggle with the inner self of Muslims. When Lesser Jihad means an inner struggle of Muslims, external elements such as non-Muslims don’t come into the picture at all. And we have also seen that Islamic God clearly and repeatedly forbids Muslims against making friendship or alliance with non-Muslims or coming to their aid, even if they are the parents and sibling. In sum, CAIR’s “MyJihad” ads campaign is out-and-out an attempt to lie and deceive American non-Muslims.

The real Jihad that may concern non-Muslims is therefore the Lesser Jihad, Jihad of the sword, inspired by many violence-inciting Quranic verses, such as:

  1. Quran 3:56: "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
  2. Quran 9:111: Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph
  3. Quran 9:123: "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."
  4. Quran 66:9: "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end."
  5. Quran 9:29: "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
  6. Quran 9:5: "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."
  7. Quran 25:52: "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..."

There are many such verses in the Quran. Let us once again take CAIR’s “MyJihad” ad in the context of the last verse (25:52) quoted. The only relationship that this verse allows a Muslim to have with a non-Muslim is “strenuous fighting”. So, can there be a scope for a Muslim to build friendship with non-Muslim?

Ahmed Rehab, the mastermind of the CAIR “MyJihad” ads campaign, wanted to remove misunderstandings about the noble Islamic concept of Jihad via those ads. But readers would be convinced that those ads were intended solely for throwing dust into the eyes of the unaware American citizens. “Building friendship with non-Muslims” cannot be a part of a Muslim’s Jihad. Instead, it has been clearly prohibited by their God via numerous divine commandments.

It is clear how nakedly Islamic organizations in the West, such as CAIR, lie to fool and deceive well-meaning Westerners. In sum, the only Jihad exists in the Muslim-non-Muslim interface is the Jihad of the Sword, a relentless fighting that must be initiated by Muslims as a commandment of their God. So, when one talks about Jihad, the 9/11 attacks, the Ft Hood and Mumbai attacks, the London and Madrid massacres, are the kind of Jihad that may exist between Muslims and non-Muslims. In executing Allah’s divine command of Jihad, Prophet Muhammad himself had ordered 62 Lesser Jihad massacres against the kafirs of Arabia in his lifetime, and he personally had led 27 of them. Prominent amongst Prophet Muhammad’s own Jihad attacks are against the tribes of Banu Quraiza (627), Banu Mustaliq and Banu Nadir of Khaybar (628), and in each instance, he slayed the men and captured the women, children and their wealth as booty. The continued legacy of Muhammad’s Jihad has claimed some 270 million mostly-non-Muslim lives over the past 1400 years, and continues claiming more. In addition to that tens of million of non-Muslim women and children captured and used slaves. The captured women always suffered rape alongside slavery.

If CAIR and other Muslim organizations in the West have any sense of honesty, they must own up the truth of the concept of Jihad, instead of lying and deceiving. It is time that they start talking about discarding those barbaric Islamic doctrines that has no place in civilized societies today. They should know well that putting a happy face on evil doesn’t lead to any good. It only perpetuates the evil for what it is. Only those, who entertain evil intentions, will wholeheartedly dedicate themselves into disguising evil in the clothes of goodness.

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Jake Neuman is the author of “Islam and Sharia Law Are Treason: Jihad Is Treason” and “Prophet Muhammad (AKA ALLAH): Monster of History.” (free download)

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written by kope , January 07, 2013
i support jews for their counter CAIR’s MyJihad Propaganda Campaign

we must tell the world jews are involved in all wars in the world
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written by Jimi , January 07, 2013
Do most Muslims know and understand that they have been commanded not to be friends with kaffir? I don't think so. Same most don't know sex slaves are lawful for ever in Islam.

I think your average Muslims really thinks the western Islam is real, world wide. "It is a beautiful religion where everyone gets their rights". Or the prophet only defended him self in Arabia. And he married aisha to build political bonds with his best friend. And god really told us in the quran Mohammed could do almost any women he wanted, for his comfort.
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Kopi reason why Jews kick musli arsz cause Allah is on their side; probably you did not read quran thoroughly.
written by Infidel and MP , January 07, 2013
"To Moses We [Allah] gave nine clear signs. Ask the Israelites how he [Moses] first appeared amongst them. Pharoah said to him: 'Moses, I can see that you are bewitched.' 'You know full well,' he [Moses] replied, 'that none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth has revealed these visible signs. Pharoah, you are doomed.'"

"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]."

"We [Allah] have revealed the Qur'an with the truth, and with the truth it has come down. We have sent you [Muhammed] forth only to proclaim good news and to give warning."

[Qur'an, "Night Journey," chapter 17:100-104]

"Say: 'O God, King of the kingdom (1), Thou givest the kingdom to whom Thou pleasest, and Thou strippest off the kingdom from whom Thou pleasest; Thou endowest with honour whom Thou pleasest, and Thou bringest low whom Thou pleasest: all the best is in Thy hand. Verily, Thou hast power over all things.'"(2) [Qur'an 3:26]
"And [remember] when Moses said to his people: 'O my people, call in remembrance the favour of God unto you, when he produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave to you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.'" [Qur'an 5:20-21]

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.'" [Qur'an 17:104]
Muslims will never win for Allah os on Jews side
Kopi you can fart any number of times but Isreal will be there..
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To all Muslim readers
written by Fineliving56 , January 07, 2013
Please, I want to know your opinion

Now I am NOT a Muslimah, I find my self in constant secrete happiness that I never knew, it ever excited, through out the time I was a Muslimah, which is long, loooong time .

Why it that ?
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to fine
written by Infidel and MP , January 08, 2013
Its because you know the truth
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dont live a false life prescribed by a false profet knowingly as abc, malman et al. do.
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fine
written by Betty , January 08, 2013
you have thrown the shackles of a lifetime of fear and worry away and are now experiencing what a woman should be...spread the word, tell the young what it is to be free!!!
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Jihad in Syria
written by Gnostic , January 08, 2013
There are already 60 000 killed people in Syria. Does anybody know how many death were caused during all the revolutions in eastern europe combined? None in East Germany, none in Czhekoslovakia and Poland and perhaps hundred in Rumania and Bulgaria combined. Most killings happened probably in Albania, a former muslim country and there are still dictatorships and killings in islamic CIS-countries.

Imagine that Germany was reunified without any jillings and Czechoslovakia was divided without any killings!

Imagine what would happen in Iraq in case of a division! Or in Syria or in Lybia! Even in peace times there are no days without killings in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq ... !

Ehem, what was the topic, ah ... jihad!
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MyJihad
written by Kaser , January 08, 2013
Wow, blatant propaganda - in 2013!
How about a round-table discussion with "MyJihad" and "MyIslamophobia" representatives on both sides!
That would be entertaining!
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written by Fineliving56 , January 07, 2013
written by kope , January 08, 2013
written by Fineliving56 , January 07, 2013

Please, I want to know your opinion

Now I am NOT a Muslimah, I find my self in constant secrete happiness that I never knew, it ever excited, through out the time I was a Muslimah, which is long, loooong time .

Why it that ?
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may too many dildo making you happy?
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kope
written by fine , January 08, 2013
You think you shock me .. ? .. amateur

grow up ... Muslim boy

To Admin

Kope's post should be deleted ... nothing like this kind of filth is appropriate in here ??!!!
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he's just
written by Betty , January 08, 2013
showing his maturity and jealousy that you have broken the bonds while his mother still keeps taking the whippings and the walking behind men that a good Muslimah must do...and he's a brainwasheed zombie on top of all that ;)
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Kope
written by fine , January 08, 2013
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cad_1357488508

Is that you ? ... next time, do not turn your back to your camel

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Betty
written by kope , January 08, 2013
what makes you happy?
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Kope, fine
written by Kaser , January 08, 2013
Man oh man kope....
You have trouble dialoguing with women!
Chill out...
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Fineliving, funny video, that bite must have hurt!!!
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Good question kope...
written by Betty , January 08, 2013
I like to look at videos on youtube of the taliban getting blown to shit. Esp. the ones where they f*ck up and blow themselves up, also the helicopters slaughtering more taliban when they don't even know that they're there, I do get a kick out of these, the body parts just go flying, can't help but laugh out loud. I liked fine's movie about the camel biting you too.
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Infidel
written by Fineliving56 , January 08, 2013
Yes, the cold hard truth …. I take that, anytime over faith .. faith never served me and I realized it will never do for long time now …. only disappoints after endless prayers … waisted precious time

What does the cliche says ? ..

"' The truth will set you free '' … Well, Yes I am free … and that, p!sses off Kope and the likes of kope .

Muslims are afraid from the truth, that is staring them right in the face and they refuse to face it … paralyzed from fear of Jahannam .
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Jihad
written by Montegue , January 08, 2013
CAIR should advertise saying, "My jiihad is to accept criticisms of Islam and the depiction of its prophet Muhammad."
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This is my jihad...
written by Betty , January 08, 2013
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to fine and kope
written by annad , January 08, 2013
Just this point alone - Koran claims women have half of men intelligence. Now; look at mope and fine-does anybody here have any doubts about whose intelligence is half of the other?
To prove that Koran is man made creation.
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Betty
written by Kaser , January 08, 2013
About the video in the wesaelzippers article, I saw many such videos on other sites. MEMRI does a fantastic job of translating and presenting to the world the reality of Islamic fanaticism through video translations. http://www.memri.org/

In your video, what a scary thought when you see a woman so brainwashed as to wish for death. Women are not supposed to be infected by religious male violence.

I hope the abc's and Malem's are ashamed at what their religion can bring humans to do - I wonder how they explain this - there is so much of it?
Kope will probably admire her??
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Jack Neuwman
written by fine , January 08, 2013

Real Truth and Islamic Truth has totally different meanings .

CAIR and other Muslims care less about the truth, they only care what is *presented as truth* .. I have never met a Muslim [ and I know a lot ] who cares about what really happen in Muhammad's time … they care about hear say and what li@r imams tells them .

So, they have no problem, applying any translation or any understanding to any word or a phrase in Quran, hadeeth and Sunna…

The peaceful Muslims will run away when one, present to them, with actual readings from their texts and they actually, place their hands over their ears and leave the house, so they can't hear the true criticisms, in fear of burning in Jahannam, if they listen to it .

The hot headed Muslims, Usually lash out, cuss and shun …

The violent Muslims, we all so lucky to know about, these days, from all the violent videos of them, that are circling around the web … nothing can be hidden anymore … I hope they know.

All we can do, is be unrelenting in presenting the real truth to them … they better get use to it … it only going to increase in intensity as more and more people realize reality of Islam.

Good researched article … thank you

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Islamic jihad against minor girls
written by xyz , January 08, 2013
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Annad
written by fine , January 08, 2013
I have been trying to tell Muslims that all my life … to little avail

All Muslim women need is to be given a chance from someone they admire and trust. When a parent you admire tell you, you are half brained, you believe it and it will stick and will become the inside voice through out life … of course there is exception, but only a few, I am afraid.

Thanks
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See … the kind of Jihad, Muslim men, have to do against their wives described, from filthy Imam
written by fine , January 08, 2013
Watch how this disgusting, 2 cell brained Muslim nincom- poop imam say how ] to beat wives, is for their OWN GOOD … a benefit … a GIVT

To everyone … Is there still any doubt why I hate these Muslim parasites imams ?

Does everyone KNOW … what muslim women have to deal with ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGHAFxwI2qU
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To all
written by fine , January 08, 2013
Here is another one…..

Muslim thug who because he believes his Quran *allowed* him to beat his wife , he allowed him self not just, to beat here " lightly'' like Imam lie and claim Quran says …. no … he smash her face in, because she SANG WITH HIM …

Ahhhh .. the romance in the Islamic marriage … nothing like it ??!!

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbv3te_muslim-beats-his-wife-for-interrupt_news#.UOxJ546LG20
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To Betty
written by Archpagan , January 08, 2013
In post WW-II Russia many women failed to find life partner due to massive war casualty and had to lead the life of spinster till their last breath. The rate at which Muslims are blowing themselves up or getting killed in drone attacks and infighting, I can foresee the day when devout Muslimahs will have to turn to infidels like us to produce jehadis. Maybe, Kope’s widowed wife will lead that campaign
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to fine, kaser
written by Infidel and MP , January 08, 2013
Kope has trouble communicating with anyone.
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Peaceful Islam?
written by Gnostic , January 09, 2013
In general the leading religions were created a long time ago when almost anything was different from today.

Traditions have altered the understanding and the approach of modernist fundamentalism is even worse.

For example, in the case of islam nobody can provide evidence that the schools of law such as hanafism, hanbalism etc, are true.

The same with the hadith which are not even mentioned in the quran; on the other hand, the quran is too fuzzy and too insufficient for any meaningful law.

But modern fundamentalists are also wrong because they overlook the environment when the quran was written.

Back to the article: Of course cair is wrong but who is not wrong about islam? People can understand the quran the way they want because nothing is clear. It is similar to Santa Claus. Most people think he must be white but some say he is black or yellow.

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Gnostic
written by Kaser , January 09, 2013
Right... That's why Islam can be easily stretched to justify violence for those who wish to dispense it, and it can also be stretched to justify acting nice and lovingly for those "moderate" Muslims. Although the latter is a bit harder to do, as you have to cherry pick and ignore a lot of bad stuff.

Notice how die-hard Muslims avoid discussing about the basic foundations of the religion - opening the hood on the scriptures is not something they want to do, as it will cast many many doubts in their heads... And does doubting Islam not mean a certain one-way ticket to hell for it's adherents?

You mention "But modern fundamentalists are also wrong because they overlook the environment when the quran was written."
What I find intriguing is that the abc's and Malem's of the world actually use the Quran's context to explain that the violent passages are actually NOT violent - that due to the context they were revealed to Mo, they meant something or other that in reality, is not violent at all.

Is it hypocrisy or delusion???
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great ad
written by malem , January 09, 2013
Great ad showing how Muslims are trying to reach out even to people who despise them. MORSI on cnn tonight should be a great show.
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Malem
written by Kaser , January 09, 2013
Hey you're back.
Yes, what a great ad! Do you think CAIR will also try and reach out to Boko Haram, Ansar Dine, The Taliban, Al-Shaabab to change their "violent jihad" to a "jihad of love". To reach out to these groups and convince them....
... To help rebuild churches they bombed?
... To help grieving families who lost loved ones in suicide bombings?
... To release child brides from their pedophile husbands?
... To convince women to stop supporting their husbands/sons into commiting suicide?
... To explain to hateful muslim fanatics chanting "slay those who insult Islam" or "behead those who insult the prophet" that it's not the proper message to pass?

Yes, it's very important for CAIR to make sure us gullible western infidels are fed propaganda to make us believe a 1400 year-old ideology is really all about love and tolerance. Bcause we know this is what Mohammed preached...
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Malem2
written by Kaser , January 09, 2013
Why do you say they reach out to people who despise them?
How do you know they are despised? Are you bundling Jihadi Muslims (despisable) with the "live and let live" Muslims (non-despisable)?

Do you think the CAIR propaganda is originated by Jihadi Muslims or live and let live Muslims?

For my part, it's Islam I despise. Not Muslims. Not Jews. Not Christians.
But I do despise Muslims who try and convince me I should change my way of life. That tell me I should accept their washing their feet in school lavatories. That I should feel ashamed for offering pork products. That I should fear criticizing Islam. That I should accept veiled women. That I should fear hell since I am an infidel.

Those I do not like. And I think they are behind the propaganda.

Why?

Because normal, "live and let live" Muslims are integrated. They are not despised and they have better things to do. They have jobs and pay taxes. Believe me, I know a few and hired some to work for me. Sadly, I also met one or two of the other kind...

One of the "other kind" actually refused to shake the hands of his new female co-workers the first day at his new job. Those retards, I do not like.

Those retards, CAIR needs to educate them... Is this what is happening Malem?
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abc, malem -- strange quiet
written by Apostate , January 09, 2013
There's no noise from abc and malem on this article. strange, isn't it?

Or is it that they know Islam better than the CAIR idiots and know well that it is totally against Islam, against Allah, to make effort at building friendship with those on whom is the wrath of Allah?
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live and let live muslims
written by annad , January 09, 2013
These people are not really Muslims; at least not in religious way. They so called "cultural" Muslims who identify themselves culturally with Muslim family and friends and perform rituals not because they truly believe in Islam and all its nonsense but because of the respect to their cultural traditions. Abc once said that if he made a wrong choice by choosing islam-so be it.
It shows that he does not really believe in hereafter or he would put much more efforts in making sure his path is the right one for paradise.
Because if Islam is just bunch of plagiarised nonsesnse (which I believe it is) he is destined to live in some very hot climate for a very long time (as per islam's teachings).
Should it be of major concern for a believer?
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kaser
written by malem , January 09, 2013
You would have to ask CAIR those questions I don't know them as they do not much pence here.

Annand lad you know not of which you speak, typical for your type

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malem the bygomist
written by annad , January 09, 2013
Do you really believe in hell and heaven and all these nondescript with virgins and pot roasted sinners?
Do you believe in angel Gibrel telling Mahomed all these fairy tales?
Would you believe if someone show up today and start telling similar type of stories- about angels and divine inspirations and corrupted prior holy books?
If not; why?
Why are you convinced by Mahomet's stories?
What do you know about him other that he had voices talking in his head?
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Al-taqiyya
written by Montegue , January 09, 2013
'Nuff said!
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written by youcancallmeV , January 09, 2013
Myjihad....
That's just another 'hearts and minds' propaganda tactic, nothing more than Islamismlite, but I'll bet that it's about to be really popular with the young and disinformed.
Just as it's been designed to...
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Re: Kaser Fundamentalism
written by Gnostic , January 09, 2013
For example, the poll tax is not an invention by islam but I think it existed before in the empires of East-Rome and Persia for people believing in the wrong faith. The rulers did not trust them, thus they did not have to serve in the army but to pay poll tax instead.

Consequently, the poll tax is not a law invented by Allah but it was common practice during ancient times. Fundamentals overlook that and think they must introduce it again but in todays envronment it would not make any sense.

The fact that the authors of the quran thought their rules to last for ever only reveals that they did not have any imagination of history and development. This is also the reason why we find so many historical errors in the quran.
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To Kaser
written by Archpagan , January 09, 2013
I would refuse to accept any sort of communication from a veiled woman as I would consider it a direct affront to my dignity. By veiling herself before me, she takes it for granted that I would 'eye-rape' her if she exposes her face.
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Archpagan
written by Kaser , January 09, 2013
Indeed, I feel the same way. Veiling women was a way devised by men to make them non-desirable (and supposedly safe).
This infers we men ALL have bad intentions and we will strike out at the first square inch of flesh (or hair) we see. Unacceptable in today's world.
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Veil etc.
written by Gnostic , January 10, 2013
Headscarves, gender sgregation and all this silly things - muslims cannot escape this and this is the reason why they want to force all people to suffer like themselves.

Muslims do not like to watch other people to enjoy life, to wear attractive clothes, to show skin, to dance, drink alcohol. Muslims want to drag all people down to their own joyless world.
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Gnostic
written by Kaser , January 10, 2013
Indeed - misery loves company... We/they are different. Difference is scary and threatening. Hence the need to conquer and convert. Once all converted, then we will all be a happy Sunni family. Or is it Shia... I cannot remember the "right" one... Well, anyway, the true one...

About what you say above, There is a lot of righteousness involved also. Not only do they envy those that enjoy life as we do, but they also feel compelled to make us understand that WE are the ones on the wrong path. That THEY are living as per god's commands, and it makes them better than us.

I have been told, verbally (and with a dose of contempt) that I should convert to Islam - and then I will understand. As if the person that was talking to me was way up on a god-sanctioned podium of righteousness...
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Kaser
written by Gnostic , January 10, 2013
Yes, and there are probably more things behind that. While old muslims do not think much about it the younger ones are very keen to know everything about islam and to tell it their friends. Some are wearing a headscarves like punks have piercings or tattoos.

So many young muslims are only trying to find themselves like punks, hippies or mods, communists and so on. When they become old many of them will change their minds.

All this noise around islam reveals that there is something wrong with it and that this movement has no sustainability.

People who cry and who make much noise only try to overshadow their own doubts.

Deep in their hearts, many muslims feel that islam is wrong and one day, they will have their coming out that they are no muslims any more.
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Gnostic
written by Kaser , January 10, 2013
Spot on. Like I did when I abandoned Christianity.
Like Finerliving did with Islam.

It takes maturity and a few years (read decades) of life behind your belt to be able to understand what life is really about, and to affirm WHO YOU REALLY ARE, not WHO OTHERS want you to be. During the teenage and young adult portions of life, we are conditioned to act according to what OTHERS want us to be...

No more. I'm 44, have a successful business, a wife and kids I all love. I do not have to abide by any ideology I do not feel is real or anchored in reality. Hence Atheism, Science and (like I said in another post), living through humanity's responsibility to SHARE planet earth with ALL lifeforms and have as moral guide respect, tolerance and justice for all.

Not through fake scriptures written by fake prophets (although some well intent) for a fake god.
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Archpagan/Kaser
written by Malem , January 10, 2013
A scarf does not make a womens personality, Im sure Fineliving would agree. Many women from many countries wear scarfs, hats, long dresses, jackets...are you trying to infer that clothing defines a woman? Are really that insecure that if a women has a long dress on, or a scarf that she must be thinking bad of you? Seriously? My wives wore hooded jackets, hats and scarfs while in Grozny, does that mean they were thinking people would take advantage of them if they didnt, NO it was darn cold that is why. You show your imaturity and insecurity in yourself when you judge people by what they choose to where and I thought the west was all about freedom of choice.
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kaser archpshan
written by mlem , January 10, 2013
So yo define people by what they wear. Many people from all over the world war scarves do yo think they do it because of you? Seems like your saying if a woman codes to eat a scarf or long dress or non revealing clothes somehow she is indicating you cannot be trusted haha You two are really showing your immaturity and insecurity plus your chauvinism towars women. My wibed wore scarfs and his in Grozny, you know why? Because it was cold haha
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mlem (or Malem)? Whatever...
written by Kaser , January 10, 2013
Not sure this post is from Malem, but here goes:

I am far from being chauvinistic. On the contrary, I want women to take their rightful place as equals to men everywhere they can. And I act on this.

Wearing a scarf when its cold makes sense, all over the world.
Wearing a scarf to hide a woman's face is nonsense.
Raping a women because she is not wearing a scarf is Islamic violence.

Teaching men and women that women should be veiled from head to toe, unable to drive, unable to be outside by themselves and unable to leave the country is Saudi Arabia - Land 'O Islam.
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Be advised … hard to watch video of Shiites '' day of Mourning ''
written by fine , January 10, 2013
Look what religion did and still does, to the human brain …. it actually destroy any common sense and make them Alien to human species .

Here is Muslim men and women devout Shiites, who every year gather around in the streets every beginning of the Islamic year . They wear all Black and black head gears … they cary meddle chains called [ al Ganzir ] and they slap there chests and back and even heads with the '' Ganzir'' and sometime with Siuff [ swords ] until the blood run free all over their body … absolutely crazy .

They cry, in mourning of '' Husayin"' son of Ali bin Abi Talib nephew of Muhammad . He was murdered [ anyone surprised ! ] with all his 72 member of his family, on his way to reclaim the Califah leadership. And since then, we all '' other Muslims'' had to deal with their whining about Husyain .

I was on trip to Latakia, years ago, the same day Hafiz Al Assad died,!! [ imagine my bad luck ] … We were in shock, knowing, we might be not welcomed there, as Sunnis [ accents are different and detected ] .
We wanted to leave Latakia as fast as we can, because we knew the mourners will be in the streets beating themselves and rioting and mad as h*ll .

As we were leaving the Hotel we had join them because they were right in front the hotel. Hundreds of them, already at it… slapping them selves away like deranged people they are ….. we walked with them for a while and we sow them crying out loud and hitting their own faces, and some of them were bleeding .. Eventually we sneaked and drove away as fast as we can .. we never looked back …. I will never forget that day .

again … extreme and bloody self punishment

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4bb_1357699109
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written by youcancallmeV , January 10, 2013
It's all so very similar to the rise of Nazism.
The propaganda, the sloganeering...the dress codes and symbols, and the talk of supremacy and a glorious heritage.
It's the fourth reich, with direct and undisputable links to Amin Al Husseini and Hitler.
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Achievements of Islam?
written by Gnostic , January 10, 2013
The history of human civilisation began in the Middle East. Elamites and Babylonians are probably the earliest advanced civilisations, even somewhat earlier than Egypt and much earlier than the civilisations of the greek, persians, indians and chinese.

I think the reason is that the Middle East is located in the center of the eurasian continent with immediate access to the knowledge of the world. This is also the reason why the earliest islamic civilisations were leading in some fields.

However, the islamic world did not take advantage from its location and fell more and more behind the rest of the world. The reasons seem to be very clear to me:

When othodox islam emerged, philosophy was no longer practice. Instead, islam has become focused on law which in general is only about controlling the people with nonsense.

Bookprinting was forbidden as well as depicting of humans and animals as well as music, drinking of wine, interest and many other things.

While there were restrictions in other civilisations as well, only the islamic world did not really change until today. The reason seems to be the quran which cannot change at all. There is also the islamic mob that threatens to kill anybody who shows any signs of creativitiy.

Consequently, the islamic world fell behind in arts and manufacturing, literature, science and technology. There are no products the islamic world is famous for with the exception of carpets from Iran which preserved its culture and some skills.
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kaser
written by Malem , January 12, 2013
If a woman chooses to wear a scarf or veil is none of your business. Just because your insecure doesn't mean you get to impose your will on others lad
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written by youcancallmeV , January 12, 2013
Your argument is deliberately contentious.
It is our business if your women are living in a non Islamic country and insist upon covering their faces. It's very clear that it's all developed from a backward looking trend that has been adopted as a hostile statement as opposed to any religious reason.
The wearing of the veil is a statement of insecurity, in reality no one seems to hold any negative views against the hijab scarf that only covers the hair.
It is those who wear the veil that wish to impose their will and nefarious beliefs upon others.
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written by youcancallmeV , January 12, 2013
Those nefarious beliefs are being imposed upon children.
At
The Madani Girls School E.London
The Jamea Al-Kathaur in Lancaster
The Jameah Girls Academy in Leicester
Girls were made to wear the niqab by enforced uniform policies.

Source: David Barrett
The Telegraph
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written by youcancallmeV , January 12, 2013
So, Malem.....
You're Deobandi?
Or someone who merely nods to their peculiar half witted brand of piety and superstition, because it's Islam?
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not yours
written by malm , January 13, 2013
No its not your business out is their business and their families
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Islam
written by Waseem , January 14, 2013
Islam is only way of life acceptable to God in present time
Quran is the law and divine message to those who have eyes brain of their own and those who are sincere
there is no compulsion free choice to follow what ever in this world just a short life 60 yrs but you will regret it in after life endless life if u dint follow gods will and will be punished or rewarded accordingly
jihad is struggle to follow and fulfill duty of islam daily and to protect muslim people and land from any external or internal threat
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Malem
written by Kaser , January 14, 2013
You are completely wrong about the issue here.

If a retarded ideology (Islam) imposes retarded beliefs on women by force (and it does), when that ideology comes into OUR country, OUR towns, OUR neigborhoods, we have the RIGHT to refuse the oppressive, hateful, denigrating aspects of it.

Malem, many many many many women are FORCED to Islamic burqas or niqabs. ISlam imposes it. Actually it's Islamic men that impose this. Look at Saudi Arabia where you went and had your Hajj "lovefest" - How are women treated in Saudi Arabia? Like sentient cattle Malem, and it makes me sick. And you AGREE with this crap.

So spare me the "Women have a right to choose the Niqab" ... They are FORCED to wear it by their "families" And pressure from their families is overwhelming.
Because Malem, LET ME EDUCATE YOU a little bit - Your religion of love is mistreating women all over the world, because your sick prophet wanted control over women above all things.

I, and others DO NOT Accept this. And the Burqa or Niqab or whatever else you call that retarded prison-garb, is unacceptable.
I, and others, will work hard to make sure it dissapears altogether, like the rest of Islam.
When Islam is gone, the world will be a better place Malem, a MUCH better place.
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written by youcancallmeV , January 14, 2013
Malem said...
'no it's none of your business'
It is the business of non Muslims when extreme beliefs are exported from Islamic countries that observe Shia laws. Why should they allow the niqab when they have adequate and rigorously enforced laws to protect vulnerable women from harm?
Why should they allow the niqab or the burkha? Those garments are in conflict with the rights of women.
There is no religious rule that makes the garments obligatory.
Shia laws have no place in civilised western countries, tribal laws have no place in the civilised world, religious rules have no place outside of the sect which observes them.
So, it is our business when the extremist Deobandi sect of Islam makes a fuss about wanting womens faces covered.
The 7/7 bombers were part of the Deobandi sect, one of their wives made a huge fuss about wearing the niqab.
It is our business.
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wrong
written by malm , January 14, 2013
There is no compulsion in Islam. Women can choose and is their choice not an outsiders. Also the father of the household had the responsibility to insure his daughters and wives are treated with respect and dress modestly
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malm
written by Kaser , January 14, 2013
Islam is all about compulsion.

Islam is about imposing itself on others. Islam is about forcing women to obey. To be servants to Islamic males. Islam is compulsive to the point of transforming humans into walking bombs. Islam is about religious dominance. Islam is about absolute love of it's definition of god, and rejection of everything else.

Islam is about compulsive, fanatical rituals, 5 prayers, no alcohol, no music, no freedom, no healthy man/woman relationships. Islam is about many women being miserable in arranged marriages. Islam is about pedophilia. Islam is ALL about outdated, man-made laws originating in 7th century Arabia - and NOTHING about other cultures...

Islam is absolutely irrelevant and useless for today's world. It's few pertinent parts have been improved on for centuries... It is a cult we can do without easily.
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@ Waseem
written by Archpagan , January 14, 2013
Hi Zombie, you first prove that the bullshit named koran is the message from Allah. It's message of an illiterate full trying to propagate existing knowledge as God's message received by him. He denigrated God by claiming that He asked him to indulge in pedophilia and incest. You will burn in hell if you dote on that desert bandit who committed all sorts of heinous crimes e. g. mass murder, rape, pedophilia et al. I do not long for your f****ing paradise.

If there is no compulsion in religion, why do you kill apostates? You first get your Muslim countries make law allowing apostasy, then come up for any civilized discourse with non-Muslims. What do you mean by Muslim land? All were non-Muslim land before Mo.
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Waseem
written by Kaser , January 14, 2013
Waseem, take your head our of your A$$ my boy.
You are a Muslim simply because you are the child of Muslim parents. And Waseem, that IS ALL your belief stands on. Nothing else.
If you had been born in Brazil, you would be a Christian. If you had been born in Japan, you would be a Buddhist or a Shintoist.

Heaven and Hell, Waseem, are man-made inventions to scare you into following your religion's rules and obligations.
The Quran Waseem, is a jumbled mess of incomnprehensible, man-made scriptures. You WERE CONDITIONED, year after year after year to BELIEVE the Quran is the actual word of god, so YOUR ACCEPT it. In reality Waseem, the Quran is FAR FAR from even trying to pass for a divine scripture.

I whope YOU will open your eyes Waseem, and forget the BRAINWASHING you were submitted to since you were a little boy. It is a hard road to take to abandon CULTS and RELIGIONS, but after this, you will be free, Ask Finelicing here.

LAstly Waseem, Jihad is a war cry now. It is the war cry used by suicide bombers when they kill themselves to merit paradise.
Jihad is death. Jihad is destruction. Jihad is human suffering. Day in and day out.

Open your eyes Waseem, you are blind right now.
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written by youcancallmeV , January 15, 2013
Malm said...
'also the father of the household had the responsibility to insure his daughters and wives are treated with respect and dress modestly.'
You said earlier in the thread.
'if a woman chooses to wear a scarf or veil it is none of your business.'
Your contradictions are glaringly obvious.
Modesty isn't acheived by creating enforced dress codes that insist upon wives and daughters wearing the niqab or the burkha. Women can dress modestly by themselves.
I notice that you used the plural 'wives', thus indicating that you're in support of polygamy.
Women are the victims of such marriges that are enabled through the nikah ceremony loophole.
Looks like you're pretty well wrapped up in an outdated and virulent misogynistic mindset.
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YoucancallmeV
written by fine , January 15, 2013
Malam, bragged on him owning 2 wives long time ago, and he regrets doing that because he was unable to live it down since then, in IW .

He is the most condescending … he thinks he has done nothing harmful to his wives when he cheats on each one of them, with each other in their full knowledge .He called it, his right … his Allah gave him the right to hurt his wives .

When people asked him, what would he do if his wives felt like adding a second husband or three, to the mix …. he disappeared in answer , only to appear later, hoping he dodged the question .

Nice catch with the contradiction … let us see how he is going to get out of this one . hahaha

Once I caught him putting words in Allah's mouth when he added words to Quran and when I questioned him about it he disappeared in answer.

He lost all credibility here.

In my opinion .. once he says '' he has no problem with his 2 wives marring 2 more husbands just like he did '' I think, he might get some credibility and respect back, so far he has not.

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Fineliving
written by Kaser , January 16, 2013
MAlem is like the game whack-A-mole:
He pops-up, and we smack him down. He goes into hiding, then pops-up again...


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Kaser
written by fine , January 16, 2013
Hahaha

Whack- A - mole …… that is hilarious …

I have a feeling his 2 wives, do that on regular bases..

We have a Islamic folklore saying, back home … it says '' the bed of a man with 4 wives is on the steps of a mosque ''

I am sure you got the meaning

A man with so many wives, will have no rest from the constant nagging, he prefers, to sleep on the steps of a mosque then at home …. :)


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