The Arabic newspaper Lebanon News is reporting that Muslim protesters, who stormed the American Embassy in Libya in reaction to the Muhammad movie, The Innocence of Muslims, actually raped Ambassador Christopher Stevens, before killing him.
Was Ambassador Chris Stevens raped, humiliated like Ghaddafi? |
Google translation of the news-piece, roughly titled Killed U.S. ambassador to Libya reportedly sexually raped before acting on his body, reads like this:
Sources said that "the U.S. ambassador to Libya was raped sexually before killing by gunmen who stormed the embassy building in Benghazi last night to protest against the film is offensive to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)."
The sources said that "Ambassador was killed and representation of his body in a manner similar to what happened with Gaddafi ahead kill him."
So, this report is saying that Ambassador Stevens was treated like how the West-supported Islamist rebels in Libya had treated dictator Muammar Ghaddfi before killing him. Moreover, the attackers raped or sodomized Ambassador Steven before murdering him.
A photo of the dead Ambassador quite suggests that he was most likely maltreated (like Ghaddafi) before his killing. Given the way the Islamists normally treat their presumed enemies in the most humililating manner, the reported rape of the US Ambassador cannot be ruled out as a mere rumour either.
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written by HARKAT UL JIHAD EI KAFIROOON , September 14, 2012
send obama to libya.
written by Vineet , September 14, 2012
Another show of Religion of Peace at work.
If Muslims anything about other religion then their apologists preach tolerance and dialogue.
For reverse scenario, Muslims were justified in reacting violently.
How logical and convenient !!!
Regards
If Muslims anything about other religion then their apologists preach tolerance and dialogue.
For reverse scenario, Muslims were justified in reacting violently.
How logical and convenient !!!
Regards
written by HARKAT UL JIHAD EI KAFIROOON , September 14, 2012
the movie is banned here youtube does not allow,any other link ?
written by b , September 14, 2012
Poor muslims, have to do things like this and more becos us kafirs insult them with our existence.
written by Guy Macher , September 14, 2012
These attacks were made by devout Muslims! Where are their defenders? Will the Muslim liars who post here let kafirs denigrate the brave murderers and rapers?
written by Worldpeace , September 14, 2012
Islamic morality, stupid! My heart cries with anguish at the above picture.
written by fineliving56 , September 14, 2012
The Muslims cannot excuse the rape and killing of the American ambassador on being just nothing but filthy Atheists like they did when they reasoned the rapes and killings, committed and still being committed by the Syrian Allawats in Syria.
The Muslims who had done that, deplorable and shameful act, ARE devout Muslims … carried and planed these acts long before the Video was released, and they choose 9/11 to do it, just to add little more hurt to the already open wound Americans suffered on 9/11 … just little more bleeding is worth it to them … their hate that I know full well, is beyond any American's imagination .
Thses acts they have been doing are nothing but nails hammered, in coffin of Islam .
The Muslims who had done that, deplorable and shameful act, ARE devout Muslims … carried and planed these acts long before the Video was released, and they choose 9/11 to do it, just to add little more hurt to the already open wound Americans suffered on 9/11 … just little more bleeding is worth it to them … their hate that I know full well, is beyond any American's imagination .
Thses acts they have been doing are nothing but nails hammered, in coffin of Islam .
written by Admin.. , September 14, 2012
Strange that the trailer should be banned in India. Then, India was the first country to ban Satanic verses.
Do searches in Youtube and liveleak. There could be multiple uploads and one of those links may work.
Good luck.
Do searches in Youtube and liveleak. There could be multiple uploads and one of those links may work.
Good luck.
written by Walter Sieruk , September 14, 2012
All this extreme violence and mayhem all because their is a short film in internet that Muslims happen to dislike. Well. that must be the Islamic way to handle things.
written by Apostate , September 14, 2012
When first saw the trailer of movie, there were only about 1200 views in nearly 2.5 months. Over last two days, it has jumped to 2.6+ millions.
Note that there are multiple editions of it in different sites.
There comes Islam crashing.
We must honor the lost lives of the 9/11 victims, the Libya embassy victims and tens of thousands of Jihad victims around the world by destroying Islam completely. We are on right track...
Note that there are multiple editions of it in different sites.
There comes Islam crashing.
We must honor the lost lives of the 9/11 victims, the Libya embassy victims and tens of thousands of Jihad victims around the world by destroying Islam completely. We are on right track...
written by abc , September 15, 2012
I watched the disgusting "Innocense of muslim" movie. Too many things shown are very offensive. No wonder muslims all over the world are pissed off . Most offending and outrageous are that our prophet (PBUH) was said to be gay , our prophet (PBUH) was said to have been born six year after the death of his father, and our prophet (PBUH) was shown being beaten up by his wives .
written by Jye , September 15, 2012
We all know if this movie was about Jesus, Buddha, Ganesha etc there would be no riots, no burning Embassies and no murders. It would be a non event, because other religious people can tolerate their beliefs being ridiculed or mocked without turning feral.
Savage is as savage does.
Savage is as savage does.
written by 1proudkaffur4life , September 15, 2012
abc, as a person living in Europe you certainly will know that Jesus Christ is often accused of having been gay. I too watched the trailer several times now, and in some scenes the actual brutality is being downplayed. take for instance the Jewish husband who is being killed in front of his wife, the islamic tradition has it, that MuhamMAD thugs kindled first a fire on this poor man breast. he was tortured to reveal the "treasures" he had hidden. The prophet was only after some material gain. And of course after the death of her husband he took this "widow" as his wife. Just in case you miss the point, this woman became a "widow" because MohamMAD's thugs killed her husband. And such a prophet Muslims like you defend? Or the old women who was split into 4 parts, only because she dared to speak out against the prophet. Sure one could have made the movie even less funny or less hilarious, and show the absolute naked brutality MuahaMAD and his men were capable. You find it offensive that his "wifes" beat him up, after he slept with a slave-girl whom he did not really own? This Girl was the possession of one of his "wives".... Ah I forgot MuahamMAD had a special permission to have sex with any woman he wanted and who "gave herself" to him. :-)
OK now to your response, first you find no words of condemnation of the killing. Not surprising at all. "Offending" a dead prophet to Muslims like you is a much more serious crime as the killing of a person who HAD NOTHING to do with the making of the movie, or its publication.
As to the birth of MohamMAD (six years after the death of his Father) so what if his "father" would be a unknown male? After all your profeet was nothing more than any mere human male, no "son of god" born from a virgin. Why should him being born out of wedlock prevent allah to choose him? Personally I think this must have been some error which crept into the movie, after all the issue is not his father but MuahaMAD himself, and he was a despicable man.
OK now to your response, first you find no words of condemnation of the killing. Not surprising at all. "Offending" a dead prophet to Muslims like you is a much more serious crime as the killing of a person who HAD NOTHING to do with the making of the movie, or its publication.
As to the birth of MohamMAD (six years after the death of his Father) so what if his "father" would be a unknown male? After all your profeet was nothing more than any mere human male, no "son of god" born from a virgin. Why should him being born out of wedlock prevent allah to choose him? Personally I think this must have been some error which crept into the movie, after all the issue is not his father but MuahaMAD himself, and he was a despicable man.
written by DisgustedByIslam , September 15, 2012
I have no words for the sick, disgusting and perverse savagery displayed by the followers of this evil faith.
The sooner this evil religion goes the way of the dinosaur the better it will be for civilized people everywhere.
The sooner this evil religion goes the way of the dinosaur the better it will be for civilized people everywhere.
written by This is Rami Rustom , September 15, 2012
> Too many things shown are very offensive. No wonder muslims all over the world are ****** off .
Whats your point? Are you telling us that when we get ****** off we should respond with physical force?
Whats your point? Are you telling us that when we get ****** off we should respond with physical force?
written by This is Rami Rustom , September 15, 2012
Who are Muslims attacking?
Who are they mad at?
What are they protesting about?
Why are they taking out their emotions on people that have absolutely nothing to do with the Mohamed video?
Who are they mad at?
What are they protesting about?
Why are they taking out their emotions on people that have absolutely nothing to do with the Mohamed video?
written by ramjet , September 15, 2012
If anyone stil had any doubts of what the muslims are and the muslim religion is: here finally the truth. Here what they are able to do with the freedom they go with our help . They do not deserve it. They still would be fighting Khadafi that would massacre them like in Sirya Assad is doing now.
I repeat, we have help them to be free because by themselves thry would not have been able to obtain it. They do not deserve anything They are five hundreds Years behind us.
After eleven years we have not learned anything
God Bless America
I repeat, we have help them to be free because by themselves thry would not have been able to obtain it. They do not deserve anything They are five hundreds Years behind us.
After eleven years we have not learned anything
God Bless America
written by This is Rami Rustom , September 15, 2012
I agree that Islamic cultures are behind us. You chose 500 years I guess because the West's Enlightenment started 500 years ago. And it is true that the Enlightenment has not spread to the Islamic cultures. But that it does not follow that it would take them 500 years to catch up. It could take much less time. Like maybe a generation.
The question is, what agent of change would jump-start them to start catching up?
Many people think that the answer is a change in political system from authoritarian to democratic. I am skeptical.
This question is the topic of another article I'm writing.
The question is, what agent of change would jump-start them to start catching up?
Many people think that the answer is a change in political system from authoritarian to democratic. I am skeptical.
This question is the topic of another article I'm writing.
written by Infidel , September 15, 2012
Sorry folks. this is sexually explicit, but because of relevance to this issue and very high importance, it should be shown.
"The image of the Hebrew prophet Moses high-fiving Jesus Christ as both are having their erect penises vigorously masturbated by Ganesha, all while the Hindu deity anally penetrates Buddha with his fist, reportedly went online at 6:45 p.m. EDT, after which not a single bomb threat was made against the organization responsible, nor did the person who created the cartoon go home fearing for his life in any way. Though some members of the Jewish, Christian, Hindu, and Buddhist faiths were reportedly offended by the image, sources confirmed that upon seeing it, they simply shook their heads, rolled their eyes, and continued on with their day."
http://www.theonion.com/articl.../?ref=auto
"The image of the Hebrew prophet Moses high-fiving Jesus Christ as both are having their erect penises vigorously masturbated by Ganesha, all while the Hindu deity anally penetrates Buddha with his fist, reportedly went online at 6:45 p.m. EDT, after which not a single bomb threat was made against the organization responsible, nor did the person who created the cartoon go home fearing for his life in any way. Though some members of the Jewish, Christian, Hindu, and Buddhist faiths were reportedly offended by the image, sources confirmed that upon seeing it, they simply shook their heads, rolled their eyes, and continued on with their day."
http://www.theonion.com/articl.../?ref=auto
written by This is Rami Rustom , September 15, 2012
I think its bad to apologize for such things. What is wrong with it exactly?
I think its bad to pander to people's emotions.
Life doesn't have to consist of a series of emotions and reactions to them. I recommend not to live that way.
I think its bad to pander to people's emotions.
Life doesn't have to consist of a series of emotions and reactions to them. I recommend not to live that way.
written by mufarrihas , September 15, 2012
great work by Libyans these american f****rs are trying to make lot of problems arround the world
written by Amboyduke , September 15, 2012
Well done...you hit the nail EXACTLY on the head....
Is it offensive...? Of course...
But the fact that sane, rationale human beings have the maturity to not let such a drawing send them to mentally ill distraction proves your point EXACTLY...!
Those of these religious faiths are big boys...they can handle other's offensive drawings without losing their minds...
islam proves it's severe mental illness everwhere, constantly and consistently...what a joy...!
Is it offensive...? Of course...
But the fact that sane, rationale human beings have the maturity to not let such a drawing send them to mentally ill distraction proves your point EXACTLY...!
Those of these religious faiths are big boys...they can handle other's offensive drawings without losing their minds...
islam proves it's severe mental illness everwhere, constantly and consistently...what a joy...!
written by Fellow Human , September 15, 2012
Life is so short and so precious. You would think as we 'evolve' we could ALL learn to be humane
and compassionate to each other. Don't we have more in common with each other than not?
Why does hate and violence have to rear it's ugly head, over compassion and love? RIP Chris Stevens
and the others who died with him and to kill someone over ideology. I guess mankind was violent
from the beginning and sadly we still think the only way to solve a disagreement is to hit someone
over the head with the intelligence of a two year old. It's amazing that most animals practice avoidance
before violence perhaps they are all a better species than we are.
and compassionate to each other. Don't we have more in common with each other than not?
Why does hate and violence have to rear it's ugly head, over compassion and love? RIP Chris Stevens
and the others who died with him and to kill someone over ideology. I guess mankind was violent
from the beginning and sadly we still think the only way to solve a disagreement is to hit someone
over the head with the intelligence of a two year old. It's amazing that most animals practice avoidance
before violence perhaps they are all a better species than we are.
written by Fellow Human , September 15, 2012
Life is so short and so precious. You would think as we 'evolve' we could ALL learn to be humane
and compassionate to each other. Don't we have more in common with each other than not?
Why does hate and violence have to rear it's ugly head, over compassion and love? RIP Chris Stevens
and the others who died with him and to kill someone over ideology. I guess mankind was violent
from the beginning and sadly we still think the only way to solve a disagreement is to hit someone
over the head with the intelligence of a two year old. It's amazing that most animals practice avoidance
before violence perhaps they are all a better species than we are.
and compassionate to each other. Don't we have more in common with each other than not?
Why does hate and violence have to rear it's ugly head, over compassion and love? RIP Chris Stevens
and the others who died with him and to kill someone over ideology. I guess mankind was violent
from the beginning and sadly we still think the only way to solve a disagreement is to hit someone
over the head with the intelligence of a two year old. It's amazing that most animals practice avoidance
before violence perhaps they are all a better species than we are.
written by Mike39 , September 15, 2012
It is long past time to stop trying to reason with these people and just crush them.
I know what the ancient civilizations would have done if people in a country had sodomized and killed their ambassador. Rome would have marched in and slaughtered every man, woman and child in the city. And President Bozo apologizes.
In case this comes as news to anyone, the movie had nothing to do with the attack. It was scheduled in advance and coordinated with attacks elsewhere. The movie is simply cover.
I want to see that black Islamist flag burning in multiple YouTube videos. I want to see videos of people wiping their heinies with it and holding the used flag in front of the camera, laughing. I want to see pig's blood being poured on Islamist graves, and I want to see a woman squatting and menstruating on the Koran.
Let's really upset them. And then, when they go nuts and attack us, let's remove their memory from the earth.
I know what the ancient civilizations would have done if people in a country had sodomized and killed their ambassador. Rome would have marched in and slaughtered every man, woman and child in the city. And President Bozo apologizes.
In case this comes as news to anyone, the movie had nothing to do with the attack. It was scheduled in advance and coordinated with attacks elsewhere. The movie is simply cover.
I want to see that black Islamist flag burning in multiple YouTube videos. I want to see videos of people wiping their heinies with it and holding the used flag in front of the camera, laughing. I want to see pig's blood being poured on Islamist graves, and I want to see a woman squatting and menstruating on the Koran.
Let's really upset them. And then, when they go nuts and attack us, let's remove their memory from the earth.
written by Infidel , September 15, 2012
Because, this cartoon depiction is totally divorced of reality. None of the revered figure included in this cartoon are not known for perverse sexual behavior -- not Jesus, not Buddha, not Ganesha and not even Moses.
But the Muhammad movie was based on sacred Islamic scriptures and texts with almost no exaggeration. And this cartoon is far more vulgar than how Muhammad was portrayed in the movie.
But the Muhammad movie was based on sacred Islamic scriptures and texts with almost no exaggeration. And this cartoon is far more vulgar than how Muhammad was portrayed in the movie.
written by ANNAD , September 15, 2012
Since attack on US embassy and killing its ambassador is equal to attack on US soil, we should respond with invading Libya, annexing its lands rich with oil fields, build 10 m high fence around them. deport all Arab/Muslims from these areas, import Chinese workers, pump out all the left out oil. Then leave this god forsaken place and let the followers of "religion of peace" kill, torture and rape each other to their heart desire. This would be a response Muslims are used to and understand.
Enough treating them as humans they are not!
Enough treating them as humans they are not!
written by ANNAD , September 15, 2012
As a security measure, we also must stop all Muslim immigration in our country. "These people are not our friends. They are friends of each other." (Somewhere in Koran).
Time and again they show it.
I don't care about their "sensibilities" any more than they care about other people lives. Their phony prophet, their ridiculous Kooran, their violent behavior is a disgrace to humanity. They are what they are - wild savage beasts. And until they grow up to at least maturity of 5 year old human child, they should not be allowed into human company.
The only reason why we have to deal with them is oil for now, but once they form sizeable hords in our midst, our politicians will have to reckon with them, hence take their outrageous and disgusting habits into consideration.
Why let enemy into our midst? For me, Libya was the last drop. I have no doubts any more about how these creatures repay for any generosity toward them. We should not be involved in their tribal fights in a first place. They like to kill, let them do it to each other.
Time and again they show it.
I don't care about their "sensibilities" any more than they care about other people lives. Their phony prophet, their ridiculous Kooran, their violent behavior is a disgrace to humanity. They are what they are - wild savage beasts. And until they grow up to at least maturity of 5 year old human child, they should not be allowed into human company.
The only reason why we have to deal with them is oil for now, but once they form sizeable hords in our midst, our politicians will have to reckon with them, hence take their outrageous and disgusting habits into consideration.
Why let enemy into our midst? For me, Libya was the last drop. I have no doubts any more about how these creatures repay for any generosity toward them. We should not be involved in their tribal fights in a first place. They like to kill, let them do it to each other.
written by Amboyduke , September 15, 2012
Brothers and Sisters
written by Fellow Human , September 15, 2012
Life is so short and so precious. You would think as we 'evolve' we could ALL learn to be humane
-We keep trying, but things like islam get in the way.
**********************
and compassionate to each other. Don't we have more in common with each other than not?
-Honestly now...I ask you...what does civilized man "have in common" with the shit islam does???
**********************
Why does hate and violence have to rear it's ugly head, over compassion and love? RIP Chris Stevens
and the others who died with him and to kill someone over ideology. I guess mankind was violent
from the beginning and sadly we still think the only way to solve a disagreement is to hit someone
over the head with the intelligence of a two year old.
-Yep...we are a mess as far as God's creation is concerned...but how many times do we have to "turn the other cheek"...and yes...the "Christian" way is to forgive your transgressor "70x7 times"...but the poor human has LIMITS...
***********************
It's amazing that most animals practice avoidance
before violence perhaps they are all a better species than we are.
-Animals are certainly a FAR better species than we are...but tell me...how many times can we "practice avoidance" in dealing with a group of lunatics that just keep on coming and coming...hmmmmmmmmmmm ????
Just look at the faces of these collective lunatics...
They are culturally bankrupt, inbred, totally obsessed with hatred for anything and everything that isn't muslim, and they kill each other as well.
You are living in Fantasy Land if you think these motherf****rs will go away peacefully.
Mike39, Infidel and ANNAD have it right...you have it delusional.
written by Fellow Human , September 15, 2012
Life is so short and so precious. You would think as we 'evolve' we could ALL learn to be humane
-We keep trying, but things like islam get in the way.
**********************
and compassionate to each other. Don't we have more in common with each other than not?
-Honestly now...I ask you...what does civilized man "have in common" with the shit islam does???
**********************
Why does hate and violence have to rear it's ugly head, over compassion and love? RIP Chris Stevens
and the others who died with him and to kill someone over ideology. I guess mankind was violent
from the beginning and sadly we still think the only way to solve a disagreement is to hit someone
over the head with the intelligence of a two year old.
-Yep...we are a mess as far as God's creation is concerned...but how many times do we have to "turn the other cheek"...and yes...the "Christian" way is to forgive your transgressor "70x7 times"...but the poor human has LIMITS...
***********************
It's amazing that most animals practice avoidance
before violence perhaps they are all a better species than we are.
-Animals are certainly a FAR better species than we are...but tell me...how many times can we "practice avoidance" in dealing with a group of lunatics that just keep on coming and coming...hmmmmmmmmmmm ????
Just look at the faces of these collective lunatics...
They are culturally bankrupt, inbred, totally obsessed with hatred for anything and everything that isn't muslim, and they kill each other as well.
You are living in Fantasy Land if you think these motherf****rs will go away peacefully.
Mike39, Infidel and ANNAD have it right...you have it delusional.
written by abc , September 15, 2012
Yes that's right lets invade Libya and steal its natural resources.
Oh wait we have done that before!
Besides "we should respond" who is we? India?
Muslim immigration to India? Wtf are talking about annannd!
Oh wait we have done that before!
Besides "we should respond" who is we? India?
Muslim immigration to India? Wtf are talking about annannd!
written by Infidel And More Proud , September 15, 2012
WTF since when Bangladeshis immigrants are not muslims?
WTF AKI have you lost your balz in geography?
Oh wait your mulatto geography is limited to yorkshire?
WTF AKI have you lost your balz in geography?
Oh wait your mulatto geography is limited to yorkshire?
written by Helen Nelson , September 15, 2012
People may be shocked by your filth and violence but God is not! He created the devil and He knows his end is destruction and those that follow him will burn for eternity. Jesus Christ died for the worst of the worst and I choose a different way then hatred and anger and violence and fear and he died for YOU who do nothing but hate. Turn to God before it is too late, He loves you, yes even YOU!
written by This is Rami Rustom , September 16, 2012
Your suggestions are immoral.
The only rightful thing that American can do is pull out and wash their hands of Libya. What sucks is that that is exactly what those terrorists want. They did that attack in order to incite more hate from both sides. But most Libyans don't want that.
Why do you want to partake in that? Because of your emotions?
Lets act rationally. Lets speak rationally. Lets think rationally. Lets leave our emotions at the door!
The only rightful thing that American can do is pull out and wash their hands of Libya. What sucks is that that is exactly what those terrorists want. They did that attack in order to incite more hate from both sides. But most Libyans don't want that.
Why do you want to partake in that? Because of your emotions?
Lets act rationally. Lets speak rationally. Lets think rationally. Lets leave our emotions at the door!
written by This is Rami Rustom , September 16, 2012
Bullshit!
Animals don't have any potential to choose - to improve their lives. Humans do.
You guys are calling Muslims animals. This is so horrible. I was a Muslim. Many Muslims are good people.
Was I an animal? Am I an animal now?
What changed in me? I CHOSE!!! And any other Muslim can choose too. They are no less human than any of us.
Animals don't have any potential to choose - to improve their lives. Humans do.
You guys are calling Muslims animals. This is so horrible. I was a Muslim. Many Muslims are good people.
Was I an animal? Am I an animal now?
What changed in me? I CHOSE!!! And any other Muslim can choose too. They are no less human than any of us.
written by The Real Indian , September 16, 2012
its said 1million muslims invade india every year for many reasons... some for job opportunity and better lyf.... some are sent to populate 7 states with high muslim population states to gain majority and later on expel hindus like they did in Kashmir and ask 4 independence(as per Indian Intelligence Report) while others trying to escape the Overcrowded and criminally active and politically unstable country.... shows how Ignorant are u abt India...
written by abc , September 16, 2012
I believe you have just read the bs from the Indian contingent!
Just wait for the Christians to start typing.
Where is bundy pig and balam! Where are they when you need them!!
Good luck trying to make them see sense!
Just wait for the Christians to start typing.
Where is bundy pig and balam! Where are they when you need them!!
Good luck trying to make them see sense!
written by Al burag , September 16, 2012
perhaps he is gay.
but the killing is really bad.
may people can see the truth of islam is.
just repetition of their prophet life.
deportation of islam imigrant to their own countries.
but the killing is really bad.
may people can see the truth of islam is.
just repetition of their prophet life.
deportation of islam imigrant to their own countries.
written by ANNAD , September 16, 2012
I am well aware that it is immoral in modern terms. But it is perfectly OK in terms of 7th century. And this is the point of time where Muslim world is residing. That's how they behave back then and that' how they behave now. Of course USA would never do this. but if we did, that's would be a lesson for Muslims to remember. We need to start talking to them in a language they understand - violence and despotism.
written by This is Rami Rustom , September 16, 2012
> I am well aware that it is immoral in modern terms. But it is perfectly OK in terms of 7th century.
It wasn't moral in the past. Morality doesn't change over time. Morality is not different across cultures or people. Morality is objective and its static. Only our knowledge of that objective morality is what changes. Our knowledge of morality evolves, getting ever closer to *the* objective morality.
> And this is the point of time where Muslim world is residing. That's how they behave back then and that' how they behave now. Of course USA would never do this. but if we did, that's would be a lesson for Muslims to remember. We need to start talking to them in a language they understand - violence and despotism.
If a child says "You're stupid" to another child, do you say to him "No you're stupid... don't call people stupid" with the intent of helping him learn that calling people stupid isn't the right way to behave? Of course not. You would be helping him learn that calling someone stupid *is* the way to behave and confusing him too because your own words contain two contradictory ideas.
It wasn't moral in the past. Morality doesn't change over time. Morality is not different across cultures or people. Morality is objective and its static. Only our knowledge of that objective morality is what changes. Our knowledge of morality evolves, getting ever closer to *the* objective morality.
> And this is the point of time where Muslim world is residing. That's how they behave back then and that' how they behave now. Of course USA would never do this. but if we did, that's would be a lesson for Muslims to remember. We need to start talking to them in a language they understand - violence and despotism.
If a child says "You're stupid" to another child, do you say to him "No you're stupid... don't call people stupid" with the intent of helping him learn that calling people stupid isn't the right way to behave? Of course not. You would be helping him learn that calling someone stupid *is* the way to behave and confusing him too because your own words contain two contradictory ideas.
written by annad , September 16, 2012
Muslims are not little children. We have no rsponsibility to "educate" how to behave on human play ground. They are grown bullies who wants everybody to dance to their crazy tune. They are agressors. They start mayhem and haos everywhere they come. Carrots did not help as we can see even on libiya example. The only way to stop a bully is to hit him with all your strength
They need to learn that every time they step out of line there will be harsh response. They destroy embassy and kill the ambassodor - stop all aid until perpetrators are found and handed over to usa government or else.
They need to learn that every time they step out of line there will be harsh response. They destroy embassy and kill the ambassodor - stop all aid until perpetrators are found and handed over to usa government or else.
written by This is Rami Rustom , September 16, 2012
> Muslims are not little children.
Agreed.
> We have no rsponsibility to "educate" how to behave on human play ground.
Agreed. But, I think, that since you are here talking to them, you are taking that responsibility. Why else would you be here talking to them?
> They are grown bullies who wants everybody to dance to their crazy tune. They are agressors. They start mayhem and haos everywhere they come.
Only some of them, the few that we call the terrorists and the terrorist condoners.
> Carrots did not help as we can see even on libiya example. The only way to stop a bully is to hit him with all your strength
But you've lumped all Libyans as terrorists. Its not true. Only some Muslims are protesting. And only some Muslims attacked the Libyan embassy (which was an organized terrorist group).
> They need to learn that every time they step out of line there will be harsh response.
I agree with responding to terrorists with physical force, like drone attacks.
> They destroy embassy and kill the ambassador - stop all aid until perpetrators are found and handed over to usa government or else.
I'm still confused on what we should do in response to the killing of the ambassador. The reality is that the terrorists attacked the embassy and killed the ambassador and they did it on 9/11 and they synced it with the Mohamed video purposefully in such a way to incite an emotional response by Muslims. And thats why Muslims are protesting in 20 countries. But lets remember that its only 1000's of people among a population of 1,000,000,000 Muslims.
And your idea is to stop helping Libya. But that directly helps the terrorists in their quest to control Libya. Right now the Libyan government is too weak to control the terrorists within its borders. If America stops helping the Libyan government, then their control will dwindle even more and will surely lose to the terrorists.
Its a hard problem.
Your solution seems like it would work in the opposite direction that we want. What do you think?
Agreed.
> We have no rsponsibility to "educate" how to behave on human play ground.
Agreed. But, I think, that since you are here talking to them, you are taking that responsibility. Why else would you be here talking to them?
> They are grown bullies who wants everybody to dance to their crazy tune. They are agressors. They start mayhem and haos everywhere they come.
Only some of them, the few that we call the terrorists and the terrorist condoners.
> Carrots did not help as we can see even on libiya example. The only way to stop a bully is to hit him with all your strength
But you've lumped all Libyans as terrorists. Its not true. Only some Muslims are protesting. And only some Muslims attacked the Libyan embassy (which was an organized terrorist group).
> They need to learn that every time they step out of line there will be harsh response.
I agree with responding to terrorists with physical force, like drone attacks.
> They destroy embassy and kill the ambassador - stop all aid until perpetrators are found and handed over to usa government or else.
I'm still confused on what we should do in response to the killing of the ambassador. The reality is that the terrorists attacked the embassy and killed the ambassador and they did it on 9/11 and they synced it with the Mohamed video purposefully in such a way to incite an emotional response by Muslims. And thats why Muslims are protesting in 20 countries. But lets remember that its only 1000's of people among a population of 1,000,000,000 Muslims.
And your idea is to stop helping Libya. But that directly helps the terrorists in their quest to control Libya. Right now the Libyan government is too weak to control the terrorists within its borders. If America stops helping the Libyan government, then their control will dwindle even more and will surely lose to the terrorists.
Its a hard problem.
Your solution seems like it would work in the opposite direction that we want. What do you think?
written by billcarr , September 16, 2012
Nonsense Stevens was take to hospital (by Libyans)suffering from smoke inhalation and was pronounced dead there.
written by annad , September 16, 2012
I am not taking any responsibilities to educate muslims. I am just voicing my opinion and my emotional response. As about so called minority of extrinists. Its pretty sizeable minority and all over the muslim world. We have to acknowledge that islam is hostile ideology and act accordingly - stop muslim immigration; deport muslims who display radical behaviour. Watch closely their activities. Arrest individuals who conspire to overthrow current democratic system and replace it with any tyranical or theocratic one.
Islam is no different than nazism or communism by the hatred they inspire in its followers. Just because it calls itself a religion it does not make it benign. Once again west is challenged by the enemy. We need to stop to delude ouself calling active muslims radicals. The rest are just passive sympatizers. Real minority are muslims who do not want confrontations.
Remember; not even majority of germans voted for hitler- only 40%. Yet we held all of them responsible for the actions of "few radicals". Thousands of germans paid for the actions of few extrimists. Was it fair? Probably not. Was thee any other way towin over nazism?
I doubt it.
Muslims are the same. We have to treat them the same way they treat us - hold all of them responsible for the actions of few.
i bet that if we deport all libiyan or all egyptians afgans etc after attacks on our interests there will be much less of these incidents in a future.
Islam is no different than nazism or communism by the hatred they inspire in its followers. Just because it calls itself a religion it does not make it benign. Once again west is challenged by the enemy. We need to stop to delude ouself calling active muslims radicals. The rest are just passive sympatizers. Real minority are muslims who do not want confrontations.
Remember; not even majority of germans voted for hitler- only 40%. Yet we held all of them responsible for the actions of "few radicals". Thousands of germans paid for the actions of few extrimists. Was it fair? Probably not. Was thee any other way towin over nazism?
I doubt it.
Muslims are the same. We have to treat them the same way they treat us - hold all of them responsible for the actions of few.
i bet that if we deport all libiyan or all egyptians afgans etc after attacks on our interests there will be much less of these incidents in a future.
written by This is Rami Rustom , September 17, 2012
> We have to acknowledge that islam is hostile ideology
It is.
> and act accordingly - stop muslim immigration;
I think that is a mistake. Not all Muslims are bad.
> deport muslims who display radical behaviour.
Agreed. Although defining radical behavior is not straightforward.
> Watch closely their activities. Arrest individuals who conspire to overthrow current democratic system and replace it with any tyranical or theocratic one. Islam is no different than nazism or communism by the hatred they inspire in its followers. Just because it calls itself a religion it does not make it benign.
Right.
> Once again west is challenged by the enemy. We need to stop to delude ouself calling active muslims radicals. The rest are just passive sympatizers. Real minority are muslims who do not want confrontations.
Remember; not even majority of germans voted for hitler- only 40%. Yet we held all of them responsible for the actions of "few radicals".
Its a mistake to count Muslims as individuals of a nation. They aren't.
> Thousands of germans paid for the actions of few extrimists. Was it fair? Probably not. Was thee any other way towin over nazism? I doubt it.
They did have a degree of responsibility for the actions of their government.
> Muslims are the same. We have to treat them the same way they treat us - hold all of them responsible for the actions of few.
But Muslims live in many countries.
> i bet that if we deport all libiyan or all egyptians afgans etc after attacks on our interests there will be much less of these incidents in a future.
I don't see how that follows. Also, those "libyans" and "egyptions" and "afghans" are also Americans. How do you know that they value Islamic morality rather than Western morality?
It is.
> and act accordingly - stop muslim immigration;
I think that is a mistake. Not all Muslims are bad.
> deport muslims who display radical behaviour.
Agreed. Although defining radical behavior is not straightforward.
> Watch closely their activities. Arrest individuals who conspire to overthrow current democratic system and replace it with any tyranical or theocratic one. Islam is no different than nazism or communism by the hatred they inspire in its followers. Just because it calls itself a religion it does not make it benign.
Right.
> Once again west is challenged by the enemy. We need to stop to delude ouself calling active muslims radicals. The rest are just passive sympatizers. Real minority are muslims who do not want confrontations.
Remember; not even majority of germans voted for hitler- only 40%. Yet we held all of them responsible for the actions of "few radicals".
Its a mistake to count Muslims as individuals of a nation. They aren't.
> Thousands of germans paid for the actions of few extrimists. Was it fair? Probably not. Was thee any other way towin over nazism? I doubt it.
They did have a degree of responsibility for the actions of their government.
> Muslims are the same. We have to treat them the same way they treat us - hold all of them responsible for the actions of few.
But Muslims live in many countries.
> i bet that if we deport all libiyan or all egyptians afgans etc after attacks on our interests there will be much less of these incidents in a future.
I don't see how that follows. Also, those "libyans" and "egyptions" and "afghans" are also Americans. How do you know that they value Islamic morality rather than Western morality?
written by Becky , September 17, 2012
ISLAM IS PURE EVIL !
ISLAM MUST BE DESTROYED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE !!
ISLAM WILL BE DESTROYED !!! ONLY BY TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT IT....LOUD AND CLEARLY !!
OH...REMEMBER : OBAMA IS A MUSLIM !! A STEALTH JIHADIST ! AND HILLARY IS A TRAITOR !
ISLAM MUST BE DESTROYED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE !!
ISLAM WILL BE DESTROYED !!! ONLY BY TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT IT....LOUD AND CLEARLY !!
OH...REMEMBER : OBAMA IS A MUSLIM !! A STEALTH JIHADIST ! AND HILLARY IS A TRAITOR !
written by ANTI ISLAM , September 17, 2012
NOT TO WORRY !
SOON THE WHOLE PLANET WILL BE MUSLIM AND ISLAM FREE. THE VIRUS WILL BE WIPED OUT.
200 KILO TONS OF NUCLEAR DROPPED ON MECCA AND MEDINA. MOHAMMAD´S (PBUH – PLUTONIUM BE UPON HIM) DIRTY SKELETAL ARSE WILL BE VAPORISED ALONG WITH THE BLACK STONE. ALLAH WILL NOT COME TO HELP BECAUSE IN REALITY THERE NEVER WAS AN ALLAH….HAHAHA. BUT INSTEAD THE REALITY IS THAT NUKES DO WORK…SURPRISE….
HAHAHAHA
YOU WILL HEAR THE WAILING…OH ALLAH, WHY DONT YOU APPEAR, WHY DO YOU DESERT US? MOHAMMAD (YSOB,YOU SON OF A BITCH) YOU FOOLED US ALL FOR ALL THESE HUNDREDS OF YEARS SO YOU COULD FORNICATE WITH LITTLE BABIES, SHAME BE UPON YOU.
SOON THE WHOLE PLANET WILL BE MUSLIM AND ISLAM FREE. THE VIRUS WILL BE WIPED OUT.
200 KILO TONS OF NUCLEAR DROPPED ON MECCA AND MEDINA. MOHAMMAD´S (PBUH – PLUTONIUM BE UPON HIM) DIRTY SKELETAL ARSE WILL BE VAPORISED ALONG WITH THE BLACK STONE. ALLAH WILL NOT COME TO HELP BECAUSE IN REALITY THERE NEVER WAS AN ALLAH….HAHAHA. BUT INSTEAD THE REALITY IS THAT NUKES DO WORK…SURPRISE….
HAHAHAHA
YOU WILL HEAR THE WAILING…OH ALLAH, WHY DONT YOU APPEAR, WHY DO YOU DESERT US? MOHAMMAD (YSOB,YOU SON OF A BITCH) YOU FOOLED US ALL FOR ALL THESE HUNDREDS OF YEARS SO YOU COULD FORNICATE WITH LITTLE BABIES, SHAME BE UPON YOU.
written by Really? , September 18, 2012
You people salivating at the mouth with your anti-Islam crap are the same caliber of human that gives Islam a bad name. Stevens died of smoke inhalation, at a hospital, and he was transported there by the protestors in the building. Read some real news.
written by nomobama , September 18, 2012
@Really
Concerning the purported rape of Mr. Stevens, was that not real news? Yes, some Libyans removed Mr. Stevens from the scene, but when? Was it immediately after the attack, or much longer? Were these Libyans part of the protest group, or did they come to the scene afterwords? If Mr. Stevens was raped, when dis
that occur? Why were the crowds screaming "allah akbar" upon seeing the body of Mr. Stevens? There are lots of questions that still need answers, and I don't think the answers are going to make the Libyans who were at that location look very good.
Concerning the purported rape of Mr. Stevens, was that not real news? Yes, some Libyans removed Mr. Stevens from the scene, but when? Was it immediately after the attack, or much longer? Were these Libyans part of the protest group, or did they come to the scene afterwords? If Mr. Stevens was raped, when dis
that occur? Why were the crowds screaming "allah akbar" upon seeing the body of Mr. Stevens? There are lots of questions that still need answers, and I don't think the answers are going to make the Libyans who were at that location look very good.
written by xghsfdhergh , September 20, 2012
So these fanatics are claiming that Mohammed promotes homosexual activity and that justifies their actions. That makes Islam the religion of love... and SODOMY! Using their own logic- since THEY have now denigrated Mohammed as a purveyor of gay sex, they should sodomize, torture and kill themselves.
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