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Islam is a Militant Arab Organization

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Islam is a faith-based Arab tribal/national organization that gathers for physical drills in the name of prayers. Gathering in the name of God and offering physical drill is not religion, it is rather a military organization.


Muhammad had established Islam, which means surrender, and declared himself prophet (messenger). At that time, clever people often pretended to prophets, who gave messages to their people as per their views of the world and society. Muhammad, likewise, gave messages to the Arabs and established Islam.

In establishing Islam, he instituted a particular system of prayer rituals, i.e. Namaj/salah, as the first pillar of his religion.

What is Namaj? People stand in row, bend, touch forehead to earth while whispering chapter or verses of the Quran, and again they stand. They repeat it. First, they do it for one spell, then gradually increase to four spell. That is the systems of Islamic prayer or Namaj.

For this Namaj, the Arab followers of Prophet Muhammad start gathering at the Prophet's mosque in Medina five times a day. It thus gave rise to an organization. The Quran has placed repeated emphasis on Namaj. The Quran says gather and gather for the prayer, and Allah saves those, who gather. This means, Allah helps only those people, who gather like an organization, under the leadership of Muhammad. Islam, thus, emerged as an organization of the Arabs, and Namaj is the system that helped organize that organization.

At the prayer gathering of the Arab people, Muhammad starts giving sermons on Fridays. Through these sermons, he incited his followers against those, who did not accept Islam and offer Namaj, i.e. the disbeliever or infidels. Thus, violence started against the infidels in Medina. Muhammad give name Jihad, i.e. holy war, to this violence.

Muhammad started giving Azaan to call every Muslim to his mosque to stand together for Namaj, which was nothing but an organized physical drilling. In the process of this physical drilling, he also incited Muslims against the non-believer i.e. non-Muslim through his sermons. As a result of this, the followers of Arabia became like an organized army, under the influence and command of Muhammad, which gave Muhammad success in his ploy.

He asked his Muslim followers to give Jakaat just as the Jews and Christians used to give tithes to their respective religions. He started collecting money in the name of Jakaat and built mosque, purchase weapons, and run his mosque.

Allah was a chief god of the Quaraysh tribe along with other goddess. There are reference of  3 goddesses in the Quran (chapter No.53- the Star, sentence 19-20). These goddess were Al-Lat, Al-Ujja and Al-Manat. Idols of these goddess were placed in the Kaaba temple. It was well-known that these goddesses were daughters of Allah. Once, Muhammad had given Muslims the permission to offer prayers to these goddesses. After that, he suddenly realized that his religion was not monotheistic any more. His followers were also possibly leaving him realizing that his religion was not different from that of their forefathers. As this could threaten his organization, he again banned the idol worship. Note that Namaj is systems of organization and main aspect of namaj is to create crowd.

Today, every mulla or imam emphasizes on the Namaj, and they try to being each and every Muslim to Namaj. After Namaj, they give sermons, and incite and motivate Muslims to do Jihad. This is the violent organization. Namaj is a faith-based physical drill, which Muhammad used for organizing the Arab people and today Mullahs do the same to organize Muslims.

One Muslim youth told me that Islam is an army, Imams are captains and Muslims are soldier. They salute to Allah and prophet by turning their head right and left at the end of every Namaj. The meaning of this is to spread Islam to all over world at the expense of non-Muslims. He further said women are not allowed to fight is Islamic war, so they are banned from entering mosques. They are only like our farm land for producing children. If women allowed in mosque, Islam will become weak and neutral, Islam will unable to fight. Slavery of women is the pillar of Islam. So we cover them. By doing this, they are prevented from raising their head against this system.

There were many prophets in Arabia in those days. But Muhammad got success because of Namaj and Arab nationalism. Muhammad said to his Arab followers that Allah has chosen the Arabs this time, he sent the holy book (Quran) in Arabic, he selected an Arab man (Muhammad) as a prophet, Allah built his home in (Mecca) Arabia, Allah declared Arabs as the great people. Muhammad's associates Abubaqar and Umar were diehard nationalists, and by their effort Islam spread to all over Arabia in few years.

The Quran is a guidance for Muslims. But it was compiled after the death of Muhammad. The Quran is a collection of messages given by Muhammad. Before the compilation, Muslims never knew of the Quran. They just following the messages of Muhammad. Before the Quran appeared, Islam was established, i.e. the Islamic organization was established. It is not a matter whether Muslims read and understand the Quran or not, they turn angry and reacts as soon as they hear instigatory Friday sermons.

Islam is a faith-based Arab tribal/national organization. Those, who believes Islam to be a religion, are ignorant and misguided. Believing in god is not the sole criteria of Dharma or religion. Buddhists never believe in God, but we endorsed them as religion. Terrorist believes in God, can we endorse their faith as religion? Meaning of Dharma/religion is the spiritual and secular progress of human being (Sanskit sentence_-yato abhudayas nisyeyas siddhi). Besides believing in god, there should be spirituality, morality, virtue, and good character etc. Gathering in the name of God and offering physical drill is not a religion, it is rather a military organization.

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I AGREE
written by HARKAT UL JIHAD EI KAFIROOON , November 02, 2012


I AGREE.
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Ajay N
written by kope , November 02, 2012
Ajay N Islam is a Militant Arab Organization

what is hinduism? brahmin mafia organization ?
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kope
written by GOD , November 02, 2012
You ass-hole. Hinduism is not founded by any particular person and its origin is not traced to any particular "prophet" or "son of God". It is as old as human existence and it has great philosophy , freethinking , not dogmatic and intolerant like islam. It does not propogate murder and mayhem for the glorification of its god, founder and its dogmas. It has survived the onslaught of somany barbarians , including muslims, over thousands of years. It has not caused wars , hatred against the socalled 'infidels' to the point of murdering/enslaving them. It has no "religious" wars in its entire history unlike the monotheistic fraudulent cults emanating from west Asia. Islam is nothing but mafiadom.
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why compare 1 book hate based islam to infinite hinduism ???
written by HARKAT UL JIHAD EI KAFIROOON , November 02, 2012
why compare 1 book hate based islam to infinite hinduism ??? hinduism does not believe in falsehood of prophets or prophethood but says soul shud progress to its own journey to truth=god=mother nature.

so one cant compare judeoxtianityjihadislam.

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written by kope , November 02, 2012
you hindus drinking too much cow piss
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My vote
written by Malem , November 02, 2012
I have to go with brother Kope on this one.

Good to see AJAY did some real fact digging especially his solid reference of "One Muslim youth told me that Islam is an army, Imams are captains and Muslims are soldier." haha what a joke. One young Hindu LAd told me Hinduism was posied to take over the world and they have secret groups everywhere...
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Ajay N
written by Kaser , November 02, 2012
Excellent summary of what we see all over the world. The unending violence.

Point 1:
Islam is Arab in nature. It's scriptures are in arabic. The great Allah never bothered to give revelations to Innus, to the Chinese, Japanese, Mohicans, Russians, ect...
Weird that Muslims are OK with a super-being only sending one prophet in a region already a hotbed of culture clashes?

Point 2:
Islam breeds supremacism which breeds contempt ans intolerance which breeds violence
As simple as that. We see Muhammad's Jihad mentality to this day. The only religion actively putting death warrants on humans.
The only religion publicly authorising Sodomy to widen the Anus to pack in more explosives - all in the name of Jihad!
Educated Muslims must be ashamed of this, and the countless other incitements to violence. Google "fatwa sodomy" and laugh ...

Point 3:
You are completely right - the women are kept subdued, erased from decisions, erased from power.
Because Islam is hostile to them. It gives them no worth, no value. It is a misogynistic ideology.
If the women are allowed to wake up, Like Fineliving, Islam is completely and utterly doomed. It's not going to happen overnight, but in a few generations, they will wake up and destroy Islam. The internet will be their greatest tool - because it gives them access to information the never had for the last 1400 years...
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I agree
written by ANNAD , November 02, 2012
I agree. When I look at Muslims praying at the streets, physically developed men with shaved heads kneeling, standing in rows in perfect unison - it does remind me of military drill. It looks like an army preparing to battle. Nothing is spiritual, pacifying, relaxing about their praying.

Islam is teaching people to fight - first they start with unbelievers, them they continue to fight "not so perfect" believers. They just can't stop fighting. This is already in their blood. As per Koran, fighting is "prescribed to" them though they may dislike it. But "Allah knows best" and as per Allah, they might dislike things that are "good to" them.

Islam is violence and mayhem anywhere its establishes its presence.
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Kope / Malem
written by Kaser , November 02, 2012
"I have to go with brother Kope on this one."

No surprise there - two brothers: One foaming-at-the-mouth, Islam-will-rule-the-galaxy total racist, the other, an old bearded relic, stuck in his 1400 year-old timewarp, with his two obedient drone servants at home, praising Allah for everything and anything.

KEEP IT UP BOYS - you are the future of humanity !! Progress and innovation are through you!
I shudder at the thought of what the world would be if it was ruled by you two...
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Ajay
written by abc , November 02, 2012
What is namaj??
Typical gujrati speaking ingnorant Hindu!

What is gaimutr??
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To Kope
written by Dr R Brahmachari , November 02, 2012
Before writing any comment on HINDUISM, try to learn it to some extent. Why the Federal Senate in USA begins with chanting of VEDIC Hymns? Why the UNESCO has passed a resolution that the wisdom of the Vedas does not belong to a certain group of peoples (Hindus), but it is for the entire humanity? Do all these people are fools? Of course, I have the doubt whether you possess adequate intellectual capability for understanding Hinduism or the SANATAN Dharma.
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gaimutr
written by abc , November 02, 2012
What is gaimutr??
For those who dont know its my moms piss.
It is like camel piss (who happens to be my dad) precribed to muslims by Moh (Poo be upon him)
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Dr. Brahmachari
written by Kafirwala , November 02, 2012

Don't you know that kope is a shitbag? There is now shit only where his brains are supposed to be. Islam and madrassa education has totally destroyed his brain cells. He has got some friends also whose brain cells are equally dead like our Malem, abc (rzq) etc. As I said earlier, these retards will scratch each others' bottom in appreciation of their vulgar display of ignorance in these columns. I can only quote the wise saying... fools rush in where angels fear to tread.
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ISLAM is a terribel,terrible religion based on hatred, killing, sex,slavery ,force ,fear and terror.
written by kafir-infidel , November 02, 2012
The above mentioned traits of ISLAM - Hatred, killing,sex,slavery,force,fear and terror are the pillars of ISLAM. After reading, gaining knowledge, understanding, from SIRA (biography of MO) HADIS ( SUNNA of MO ) , QQUURRAAN ( the frantic,fanatic ,bigoted ,racist,misogybist revelations of megalomaniac MO !) , and also from ISLAMIC history,closed ISLAMIC societies ,ISLAMIC culture, ISLAMIC rules), any person with minimum thinking and intelligence will conclude that ISLAM is a terrible,terrible religion . No second thoughts on this. It is infact a wonder why any person choosing to be a good human being would want to be a MOSLEM !!! The answer is in this fact - A democles sword is hanging on the neck of every Moslem who wants to talk truth against ISLAM and want to leave ISLAM . Thus it is fear, terror and force that is keeping this captive moslems as followers of MO. KOPE, MALEM ( SAME GUY) ,abc , did you read the above ISLAMIC books ? What do you like about MO ? What spirituality is there in ISLAM ? Are you prepared for freedom,liberty to all Moslems , peace, equality of all religions, equality of all people , equality of laws to all ? Are you prepared to fight equality of moslem women and openly propagating for such human rights in all moslem countries ? Let us start from AFGHANISTAN, PAKISATAN . confront TALIBAN and AL QAEDA , SUNNIS< WAHABBIS and other killers in ISLAM .
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If you want to be a terrible person with hatred, ill will, intolerant, bigoted, violent,misogyny, then be a moslem !!!
written by kafir-infidel , November 03, 2012
Yes, that is correct. If you are devoid of kindness, advocating discrimination against women, killing , to be supremacist , then you will like to be a moslem and be happy to see unbelievers burning. You are born as moslem . You are prohibited to speak truth, prohibited to think, prohibited to follow reason,common sense . ISLAM prohibits dance, music, singing, painting, photography, music instruments. ISLAM demands that women be under burqa and confined to in 4 darkened walls .
We all 100% agree with the summary in the article which is true.
The moment ISLAM gives equal rights to women, ISLAM declares freedom,liberty, democracy, equality to all religions, equal justice, then ISLAM will disappear !!!!
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Kafir-Infidel
written by Kaser , November 03, 2012
Your comments are a bit "all encompassing" would you not say?
While I'm sure some Muslims thoroughly enjoy the barbaric, retarded angles of Islam, most simply ignore them. That is, the open-minded, educated Muslims. They put Islam where it belongs, way back in their lives...

The problem is that globally, even if 1% of Male Muslims firmly believe in Islam's hard-core, supremacist teachings, it still makes 12 to 15 million of them.
That's a lot of bearded, rag-headed violent fanatics walking around...

I mention Males, because the women are always pretty much absent from Islam-violence... Unless they are being serve some of it.
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Arab Imperialism
written by Gnostic , November 03, 2012
Difficult to say how the quran came into being. Obviously the surah rely on different sources.

Surah The Cave, for instance, seems to be drawn from rewritten christian texts such as the Seven Sleepers and the Alexander Romance. The infancy Gospel of Jesus was probably also used and there are some hints that the quran was influenced by jewish-christian teachings since there are many influences from gospels etc. but nothing from Paul.

Even stronger is the influence from the Old Testament. Moses, Noah and other characters are very important.
It is possible that oral traditions existed in arabic and that the quran draw from such sources.

There are some other sources such as Talmud, gnostic writings and arab traditions.

However, there seems to be a final redaction in order to praise the arabs and to ignite hate against so-called infidels.

Obviously the arabs around Uthman were in need for an ideology of war and this is what islam really is.

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Dr R Brahmachari
written by kope , November 03, 2012
believe be or not i do respect all religions but you know this is internet you insult my religion and i insult your religion we all just have fun no harm intent
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Dr R Brahmachari
written by kope , November 03, 2012
what is the meaning of OM the reason i asked because i doing art work on OM

you will be happy to see my art work

thanks
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been there, never heard the chant
written by Guy Macher , November 03, 2012
Vedic chants open the US Senate? Where's your proof, doctor?
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kope
written by Kafirwala , November 03, 2012
You are a brain dead zombie, that is why you say non- muslims are insulting your religion in this site. First of all, you must read the masthead of this site- Islam Watch- Telling the truth about Islam. We are just doing that- exposing Islam. Islam is a devious, devilish cult devoid of any humanity and committing countless crimes everywhere in the world in the name of religion and inflicting untold miseries and persecutions on innocent non- muslims world- wide. Maximum number of blatant human right violations are taking place in broad day light in the so called Islamic countries day in and day out. In short, Islam is a cancerous growth in the body politic of mankind. This is precisely the reason we fight Islam. Yes, we are fighting your god- damn religion of peace. It is no religion and no peace anywhere. All fragments and fabrications of your brain dead taqiya- head.

Coming to your artwork, are you a real muslim? Does Islam give you any licence to pronounce the word 'art' even? Islam does not permit music, painting or any form of art. Then, how dare you engage yourself in art? In fact, you should not use a t.v or computer monitor where pictures are flashed. Imagery was totally prohibited by that seventh century desert charlatan Mo. Don't you know that, you dimwit? If you are a true muslim, you must shun all art and art- related things and modern gadgets like t.v, computer, mobile phone etc.
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Kafirwala ,
written by kope , November 03, 2012
my religion islam is growing and your dumb cult is dying
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To Guy Macher
written by Archpagan , November 03, 2012
I am providing you with a link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajan_Zed_prayer_protest.
Only Hinduism believe in universal altruism (Sarve Bhavantu Sukhina--- i. e. let everyone be happy.) and integrated Humanism (Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam). There is no conflict between Hinduism and modern concept of human rights or environment laws.
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Archpagan
written by kope , November 03, 2012
Archpagan..Only Hinduism believe in universal altruism................


and there are untouchables human, dont let them drink water from brahmin wells if they did kill them
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Kope
written by xyz , November 03, 2012

Muslims kill each other ( Sunni Shia Wahhabi Ahmadi barelvi allawati .....72 sects)

Muslims kill non Muslims ( Jews, Christians, Hindus, etc etc )

If Muslims stop killing in the name of Allah Mohammed and Quran, nobody will point finger at them.
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To kope
written by Archpagan , November 03, 2012
Untouchabilty has nothing to do with religion. It was a social phenomenon based on hygiene. Some people were considered as untouchable due to their professions. Those were tannery workers, scavengers, crematorium workers, midwives etc. Similarly, Casteism crystallized as a social phenomenon in absence of state-sponsored universal education. In the rest of the world slavery prevailed in lieu of casteism. In modern Hindu society casetism has no more significance that kinship clan. Being a member of a backward caste myself, I am neither apologetic nor aggrieved over it.
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written by kope , November 03, 2012
but when you going to stop killling white man?
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To Guy Macher
written by Archpagan , November 03, 2012
If you fail to open the above link, please Google search 'Rajan Zed'.
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Kope
written by Jimat Khorasan , November 03, 2012
'my religion is growing', ...cancers and diseases too, grow & spread!

4 covered up women slaves for each sex starved man, produce off-springs in broods!
Islam is growing not through love, but lust!

In nature, animals such as lemmings commit suicide when their numbers increase. I suppose Muslims are following the lemmings (suicide bombings & killing each other). Have you got your suicide vest yet?
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written by kope , November 03, 2012
your mama told me to not commit suicide
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written by kope , November 03, 2012
written by Archpagan , November 03, 2012

Untouchabilty has nothing to do with religion. It was a social phenomenon based on hygiene. Some people were considered as untouchable due to their professions. Those were tannery workers, scavengers, crematorium workers, midwives etc. Similarly, Casteism crystallized as a social phenomenon in absence of state-sponsored universal education. In the rest of the world slavery prevailed in lieu of casteism. In modern Hindu society casetism has no more significance that kinship clan. Being a member of a backward caste myself, I am neither apologetic nor aggrieved over it. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


dont you thing brahmin bastards should consider untouchable because they drink cow piss?
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to Kope
written by Infidel and More Proud , November 03, 2012
Kope you are a grown up boy.
Dont be Mamas boy by listening to her.
Go on, be a man, put on the vest,
Jannat is awaiting you. Black boys instead of the usual pearlys.
And musk dripping from all your holes in body.
If you lose your nads than bigger problem of just be a side player for you will be transported wound for wound. Infidels walking past you whilst you being trasported on strether or wheel chair.
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Kope
written by Kaser , November 03, 2012
Islam is growing and our dumb cult is dying?
You use the wrong terminology - in between your fits of burning hatred and racism, you should use a dictionary.
Islam is not growing baby-boy, it's SPREADING. Spreading thin and weakening.
Only retards - truly retards - will migrate to the west and bring with them ISlam.
Notice how Muslims are running to the door leaving "Islamic" countries for the West.
That's because the West is WAY WAY WAY superior in terms of living standards, heatlh, security, than ANY Islamic country.
Look it up sweetness, you have so much to learn...
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Kaser
written by abc , November 03, 2012
"Only retards - truly retards - will migrate to the west and bring with them ISlam"
"Islam grows because if birth rates"
"millions are leaving Islam"
"Islam is spread thin and weakening"

Why are you worried then??
Why the desperation?
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Archpagan
written by abc , November 03, 2012
"Untouchabilty has nothing to do with religion. It was a social phenomenon based on hygiene"
You still have hygiene issues!
Have seen the Ganges recently. Human filth, dead human filth, animal filth all in a big bacterial soup!
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To kope
written by Archpagan , November 03, 2012
'MANO TO GANGA MAYI, NA MANO TO BAHTA PANI.'

Muslim are creating demographic pollution only. They are spacing like weeds due to high birth rate. Civilized world has to weed them out sooner or later.
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Toothless Militants
written by Montegue , November 03, 2012
The non-Muslim world, having coexisted with Islam for more 1400 years, is well acquainted with the militancy of Islam, but they do not fear the slightest of it, for they know its very militancy degenerate its own body. Since it was founded by an exiled lunatic of Mecca, established by a ban of fugitives, presented as a form of government, the followers are mindless, unskilled, obedience, willing slaves of Islamic princes called imams. These princes are widely known to non-Muslim world as lunatic preachers, a great parasite of their kind, who live off the back of their people. As they love to eat the bread of idealness, they hand down the sinecure to their sons who are equally parasitic. The voices of these princes, right or wrong, are voices of wise men among them. Imam-hood as a profession is highly revered, as such that more than 40% of university degrees in Saudi Arabia were issued for such profession. Although by the biding of these imams, Muslims will rise up in unison, non-Muslim world uses these imams to do their biding. In their idealness, these imams cannot help but love the money and luxury of the outside world. Many are willing security instruments of non-Muslim nations. Russia uses them, China uses them, the west uses them, and most interestingly, Muslim governments use them to remain in power. The militancy of Islam is exploited to the core, even by their elites, who seized power by means of democracy. While in power, these elites build no industry. They distract their people from noticing their idealness. They summon imams to direct their frustration against imaginary foreign oppressors. Although Muslims refuse to be ruled by non-Muslims, they elect the wisest among them. Even the most illustrious of these are intellectually a dwarf by international standards. Muslims may flatter themselves as a growing population, but they are breeders of low grade population living in abject poverty. Much to the world chagrin, Muslims, as a militant nation, is the only nation who maintains stone throwing as a weapon of choice.
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abc
written by Kaser , November 03, 2012
Worried yes, Despaired, no.

Worried?? Yes, because Islam is in conflict with our basic moral concepts of equality, freedom and respect, It puts pressure (and succeeds partly) to change it's host society, through special treatment requests, violent reactions and intolerance for non-Islamic thinking. IT IS NEGATIVE in many ways - this is worrisome.
Hence my reaction, and many others, to inform the population of the true nature of Islam (and Islamism) - that it is NOT a religion at par with Christiany - mainly through the obvious terror and suffering it spreads. It is a like a pitbull - agressive, unpredictable and intolerant.

Oh, don't get me wrong. Christianity was, a long time ago also a pitbull. But we, in the West, put it in it's place. Now, it's a old, sweet dog, happy to sleep by our feet.

Despaired?? No, because history has shown, century after century, that oppressive ideologies always fail.
BUT, they ALWAYS FAIL because people fight them, resist them.

Like I do.
Freedom and equality will always win. The women of Islam are/will get fed-up with their lower-class status - and they will tear it dowm.
Muslim Mullah, Scholars, Clerics, Ayatollahs and all the other bearded buffoons know this. This is why they are aggressively building Mosques everywhere, to keep the hate and the intolerance alive for as long as they can. To Keep them Muslim men in line, so they keep the Muslim women in line.

Peace
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Archpagan
written by abc , November 03, 2012
" GANGA MAYI"
Please explain how that filthy river is like your mother???
That's what you have written!
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Kaser
written by abc , November 03, 2012
Can I now add deluded to that list. Do you ever read back to yourself what you post out?
First paragraph was dribble, then a statement to say YOU understand the nature of Islam! What you know can be written on the back of a stamp! Let's leave it at that. Indeed delusions of grandeur.
I think you need to wake up because that little Christian dog is about to kill everyone on the planet. Ever heard of dominionists, or end timers it Christians for end of days. They are attempting to recreate the bible so it's ripe for Jesus second coming.
You keep watching your favourites Boko and ansar dine whilst your house burns down!
For an ex Muslim you really are dim to the function of a mosque. Let's be honest if you ever attended the mosque you wouldnt be a dead beat ex.
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abc
written by Kaser , November 04, 2012
For the record, abc, I'm an Atheist. I was born and raised a Christian, but no more.
I believe all religions should disappear from the face of the earth - Christianity included.
They should take their rightful place as curious memories from the past. They served their purpose while we were in the dark ages, now we have to move on, to grow up as a race.
Feel better now abc? Am I less deluded in your eyes?
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Kaser
written by abc , November 04, 2012
We share a similar path upto which point you went left and I turned right.
Thats all I'm saying!
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abc
written by Jimat Khorasan , November 04, 2012
Back in 1979, I had a bet with some college mates ..that Islam will rise and cause ripples beyond its shores. It happened; partly due to stupid foreign policies of some western leaders (Reagan & Thatcher's support for Afgan Mujahid) & oil wealth.

Now the bet is.. Islam will keep rising in its nuisance value but will cause most of the pain and suffering to itself; before slowly imploding...much like an over blown balloon... where the air escapes out slowly.

Islam is finished because humanity is discovering its satanic truth. Set your stop watches ...you only have another 7 to 9 years!
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Kaser
written by abc , November 04, 2012
I apologise if I offended you. Your posts make more sense now that I know a little of your background. Most religions have an element of good. Mans adherence is the issue.
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Kaser
written by abc , November 04, 2012
I apologise if I offended you. Your posts make more sense now that I know a little of your background. Most religions have an element of good. Mans adherence is the issue.
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abc
written by Kaser , November 04, 2012
Thank you, and no offence taken, no worries needed on your part.

And you are completely right - most religions have an element of good, but many many elements aimed at controlling.
Some even have elements inciting intolerance and hatred.
Most encourage non-questioning through blind faith - and men have perverted the evil passages of religion to suit their own greedy needs.
Today, I'm afraid Islam is at the top of the "bad" pile, with an unending, world-wide tidal-wave of atrocities, violence and intolerance.

This is what I fight against - Religion's obsession with controlling our lives and demeaning non-believers.
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Malem
written by Tips , November 04, 2012

Whom you LOVE more.

Your 52 year old wife or your 9 year old wife?
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Kaser
written by fineliving56 , November 04, 2012
I agree with you .. religions going to be dissolved eventually

Religious books going to end up in museums, to pass by, and wonder how in a heck, humanity have ever created such backward understanding of our existence ..

Morality going to be taught in schools, as any another subject in place of religions ….. It is going to be understood that humans are born with moral ideas, but teaching going to enhance them and bring them out to surface …

I do not know how people still think Quran is God's creation …

Here an example of the backwardness of Quran … it is a fine one, to show why Quran is only product of ignorance of 7 century man.

Quran mentioned the word Moon more then 40 times … in almost each time, it talks about how the light that shines from it, is so radiance and the source of brightness to use for guide and count days .

Not even once, Quran have talked about how THE BRIGHT LIGHT THAT THE MOON BRINGS IS ONLY A REFLECTION FROM THE SUN … not once, Quran reveals that the moon is as dark as soot, but thanks to the sun, the moon could shine as it always have been .

In one Aya .. it talks how the moon is, self creates and radiates bright light .

Not once I have heard any Muslim around me, put their thinking cells to work, and ask this simple Question

'' why would Quran NOT know this simple fact about the moon … I mean it talked about it forty times …. one time, would have been sufficient !?
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written by Jye , November 04, 2012
Islam does indeed have good and tolerant verses. Unfortunately those verses were abrogated for war and violence.There in lies the problem.
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Good parts of Quran could fit in a one page
written by fineliving56 , November 04, 2012
Quran has about, 25 MORAL but repeated Ayas, that could be good guide for humen beings .. but too bad these good Ayas does not add anything new to all any religions have brought before it .

Muhammad only copied these good parts and all the other fairy tales stories and presented them in Quran side by side to all the war parts that takes more then half of Quran .
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@Fineliving
written by Rationalist , November 04, 2012
Can you quote that aya on moon radiating its own light? Thanks
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Above: Moon radiating light
written by Gnostic , November 04, 2012
A number of surah refer to the moon as a light. But there is also one quote referring to it as radiating:

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YUSUFALI: Blessed is He Who made constellations in the skies, and placed therein a Lamp and a Moon giving light;
PICKTHAL: Blessed be He Who hath placed in the heaven mansions of the stars, and hath placed therein a great lamp and a moon giving light!
SHAKIR: Blessed is He Who made the constellations in the heavens and made therein a lamp and a shining moon.

Perhaps not 100% clearly wrong but maybe 95% wrong and of course Allah could have done a much better job by simply explaining that the moon is only reflecting the light of the sun.
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Gnostic
written by Kaser , November 04, 2012
Indeed, not 100% clearly wrong - and Muslims will be quick to point that out.
But 100% true to the OBSERVATIONS made by the humans that WROTE the Quran.
They observed and wrote what they saw. As simple as that.

Remember Malem's great revelation: Allah is the greatest communicator!!!
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re: Kaser
written by Gnostic , November 04, 2012
Quickt o point out that the quran is about 5% right and only 95% wrong?

Then we should also have a look to the other quotes referring to the moon, suggesting that sun and moon are turning around earth, without being able to catch up each other.

Here we have the same percentages: 95% wrong and only 5% not totally wrong.

However, a revealation should describe how the world is and not how it looks like.

In this regard the quran is a 100% failure and nothing else!
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Rationalist
written by fineliving56 , November 04, 2012
Out of all the Ayas that talks about the moon, about 3 of them talks clearly about the light that radiates from the moon which are :

Surit Nuuh ..71/16

'' …….. Allah made [ in the seven skies mentioned in 71 /15 ] the moon therein LIGHT ''……. Or …. '' possess their own light that shines on the 7 skies '' .

Surit Al furkan …25/61

'' …. Allah made the moon ** enlightening ** or '' radiates light ''

The crucial word here is '' Muniira'nn '' gives light ''

Surit Al Yunes … 10 /5 '' …

" Him [ Allah ]… made the moon to be a LIGHT ''

Again …. the word '' Nuuran '' … a light ''

Quran as we can see only reflects, 7 century knowledge …

People sow with naked eye … moon gives light at night …so Quran says that the Moon gives a light … '' Nooran ''

Nothing more nothing less …. lol

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Tabari explains
written by Yibel , November 05, 2012
Muhammad said: 'When Allah was done with His creation and only Adam remained to be created, He created two suns from the light of His Throne. His foreknowledge told Him that He would efface one and change it to a moon; so the moon is smaller in size than the sun.' (Tabari I:234) "Allah thus sent Jibril to drag his wing three times over the face of the moon, which at the time was a sun. He effaced its luminosity and left the light in it. This is what Allah means: (Qur'an 17:12) 'We have blotted out the sign of the night, and We have made the sign of the day something to see by.' The blackness you can see as lines on the moon is a trace of the blotting." (Tabari I:244)

"Jibril brings to the sun a garment of luminosity from the light of Allah’s Throne according to the measure of the hours of the day. The garment is longer in the summer and shorter in the winter, and of intermediate length in autumn and spring. The sun puts on that garment as one of you here puts on his clothes."
(Tabari I:232)
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Here's some more interesting science
written by Yibel , November 05, 2012
"Then the Prophet said: 'For the sun and the moon, Allah created easts and wests on the two sides of the earth and the two rims of heaven. There are 180 springs in the west of black clay' This is is why Allah’s word says: "He found the sun setting in a muddy spring." (Qur'an 18:86) The black clay bubbles and boils like a pot when it boils furiously.'" Tabari I:234

"Allah then created for the sun a chariot with 360 handholds from the luminosity of the light of the Throne and entrusted 360 of the angels inhabiting the lower heaven with the sun and its chariot, each of them gripping one of those handholds. Allah also entrusted 360 angels with the moon."

"Allah’s Apostle continued, 'Allah created an ocean three farakhs (918 kilometers) removed from heaven. Waves contained, it stands in the air by the command of Allah. No drop of it is spilled. All the oceans are motionless, but that ocean flows at the speed of an arrow. The sun, moon and retrograde stars [planets] by which Allah swears in the Qur'an (81:15), run like the sun and moon and race. All of the other stars are suspended from heaven as lamps are from mosques, and circulate together praising Allah. The Prophet said, 'If you wish to have this made clear, look to the circulation of the sphere alternately here and there.'" Tabari I:235
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An eclipse is a misfortune for the sun
written by Yibel , November 05, 2012
"When the sun rises upon its chariot from one of those springs it is accompanied by 360 angels with outspread wings.... When Allah wishes to test the sun and the moon, showing His servants a sign and thereby getting them to obey, the sun tumbles from the chariot and falls into the deep end of that ocean. When Allah wants to increase the significance of the sign and frighten His servants severely, all of the sun falls and nothing of it remains in the chariot. That is a total eclipse of the sun. It is a misfortune for the sun." Tabari I:236
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Yibel
written by fineliving56 , November 05, 2012
There is an Islamic expert named, Muhammad mahmuud abd Allah, who studied in the most famous Islamic University in Egypt and all over the Islamic nation ''Al Alazhar '' written a book. titled I'agaz Al Quran .. means '' The genius of Quran'' .

it is about "How to cure people from the black magic of the devil and envy and how to perform exorcisms."

Among other complete and utter non sense that is in it ..

it says '' alkalil who were surfing all over the skies before Muhammad prophecy, he he sow the moon bright in the sky and he looking for the truth about The moon , he discovers that the Stars [ kawakib ] that fills the sky are SMALLER THEN THE MOON and that [ according to the writer ] derived from Aya in the Quran al an'aam -87 '' .

as you can see the genius of science in Quran and Muhammad and the expert in Gami'a Al azhar .

This book is in Arabic I which I could translate it and posted here for all read about about superstition and ignorance of a Muslim mind .
This a scan of the book cover ... Imams like this ignorant, Muslims want us to listen to them !? .



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Yible
written by fineliving56 , November 05, 2012
the scan of the book did not appear you I thought it would be

I will try later

I guess Allah is not welling … :)
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kope
written by GOD , November 05, 2012
Muslims relish camel urine and shit. Your fake prophet recommends camel urine as an elixir, he also used to wade in a sewer where the arabs urinate , dispose their menstrual napkins, etc. Hahahahahahaha! Not only that fake-prophet Muhamad also recommends that if a fly falls into your drink ,to dip its wings as it is supposed to have cure for disease. Hahahahahahahahaha ! What bullshit prophet and what bullshit religion ! Hahahahahaaha!
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The sky is full of devils
written by Yibel , November 05, 2012
@ fineliving56: I hope you will find the time to translate that book. It sounds like a very FUNNY book. In Saudi Arabia, they believe that the jinn fly up to heaven to listen in on conversations about the future and then give this information to witches so they can foretell the future based on the following:

"We have decked the lower heaven with stars to protect them against all rebellious evil spirits, and provide security from every forward devil. So they cannot listen to the highest chiefs for they are pelted from every side, repulsed; they are under a perpetual torment, being driven off. Except such as they snatch away something by stealth, but then they are pursued by a flaming fire of piercing brightness." Qur'an 37:6

In Islam's sky, the stars are used to guard against eveasdropping evil spirits. The Islamic stone-gawd, named Allah, tells us that he chases away and torments devils (and jinn) using his little lanterns, the stars. LOL

A laugh a day is good for the soul. Bless you. And keep laughing. Yibel
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Yibel
written by abc , November 06, 2012
Indeed a laugh a day is good.
Unlike you I will not quote the bible and then try to trash it.
You got no class!!
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Words of Musli stooge Zakir the Makkeer
written by Infidel and More Proud , November 06, 2012
Every country has a cantonment area where only those people who are involved in the defense of the country are allowed. Similarly Mecca and Medina are the cantonment area of Muslims. So only those people (i.e. Muslims) who are involved in fighting and protecting and defending Islam are allowed to enter Mecca and Medina.
It is clear that the Military headquarters of the Muslim army are at Mecca. This also means the smallercommand centres are the local mosques.
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The Qur'an trashes itself
written by Yibel , November 07, 2012
I merely provide the quotes.
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Yibel
written by malem , November 07, 2012
Correction, you mean miss-quotes and selectively edited quotes hahaha
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Truly breathtaking
written by abc , November 07, 2012
Stupidity from this person
"Infidel and More Proud"
Yes very much like rome and the churches around the world!

Please do not reproduce!
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would you believe
written by Yibel , November 08, 2012
"We (the jinn) made our way to high heaven, and found it filled with mighty wardens and fiery shooting stars. We sat eveasdropping, but eavesdroppers find stars lying in wait for them. We cannot tell if this bodes evil to those who dwell on earth or if their Lord intends to guide them." Q.72:10 The Jinn

Muhammad (poo be upon him) categorized the Jinn - beings he claimed were created by his stone-god Allah from smokeless fire - into three categories: those that have wings; those that are similar to snakes and dogs; and those who travel ceaselessly (like sharkes, perhaps).

Muslims believe that the Jinn can possess people and take over the minds and bodies of other creatures including humans. Sometimes they do this because the Jinn has fallen in love with the person or because the Jinn is simply malicious and wicked. For this reason the Muslim Prophet Muhammad told his followers not to loiter in those places where the Jinns reside, such as graveyards, ruins, deserts, market places, bathrooms, etc. (There are special prayers before going into bathrooms because the Jinn like to hang out there. )

According to Islamic sources, the amount of fortune-telling occuring in Muslim lands is increasing as evidenced by the fact that if you look up at the sky on a clear night you will see the heavens ablaze with shooting stars - a clear display of the jinn being chased away from the heavens. LOL
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1proudkafir4life
written by fineliving56 , November 09, 2012
No … please do not take your information on the Arabic language from Reed … he is stombling and making too many mistakes … if he is taking Arabic lessons, he should ask for his money back ,from who ever is teaching him .

The Arabic word '' Yawm '' …. means … a 24 hour day …..…

when you see a number is mentioned like 50.000 in Aya 70 .. that will, in fact make it …to means the length of a day ..24 hours .

That meaning, changing depending on the sentence that in it … it might mean '' age '' ora '' time '' … like …'' Yawm al qiyama '' … the day of judgment, but the main meaning is '' a 24 hour actual day ''

Reed was mistaken, saying that … '' Yawm '' to mean … the time '' from sunrise to sunset ''

The Arabic word for that time form '' sunrise to sunset '' is '' al Nahar ''

And the Arabic word for the time from '' sunset to sunrise '' Al layil ''

The Aya You talked about where the Quran mentions the length of the day in Jahannam life , is as along as 50,000 days [ 24 hours ] as we know here on earth . .. which is Sura Al miraaj 70/4

The reason for that Aya s that , Muhammad was often was asked '' when is the day is going to come and punish the Kufar and why it did not come yet '' …so he was trying to appease them and telling them to wait … the length of the day is not like the day here on earth .. it is as long as 50.000 day in Arabs days .

So … as you can see … the Aya WAS comparing our days to days of '' Yawm al qiyama '' …the day of judgment .
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Fineliving
written by Malem , November 10, 2012
You are showing your signs of Syrian education. yawm يوم does not mean 24 ours period, rather it means period or stage, it cab be used for the plural like bi ayawm al-assad, which woudl mean the days or period of al-assad. So reed is correct meaning the period between sunrise to sunset and you are the one that is wrong homsiah
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To the Lad … who stakes wives
written by fineliving56 , November 10, 2012
You are the one who is ignorant of the Arabic language and I have tested you before, and you failed …

No, it is not …. you AND Reed are wrong … Go back and educate your self about that … you are not even an Egyptian man let alone an Arabic man …you just immigrated to Egypt … probably because you ran away from your native country for something …

You are not going to tell ME about my native Language …

You do not going to intimidate me by your feeble attempt to put me down and attack my education .

Remember who you are talking to Lad … I am not like the half brained women who you are used to, around you .

SO, STEP ASIDE Lad …... no one is talking to you .

Anta laysa illa Insanun qabeehu alnafsa wal suorah … Ikrass ya jahil … walatataklam maie .. Yasafil al mizwage .

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Quran Surah Malam …
written by fineliving56 , November 10, 2012

سورة معلمي


أعوذ بالله من الشيطان الرجيم


بيسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

يا أيها السافيلون الماكرون . لاتذكرون انكم كاذبون . الله ورسوله محمد الغشاشون ،ليس إلا في دماغكم ساكينون .''''''' شفاءكم ليس من السهلٌ،لكن في مصر مقبورون . مسلمون جاهلون صم،بكمٌ،عمين لا يفقهون . الله ورسوله الكذاب اغلق على قلوب المنافقون . واحدٌ إسمه ابسي والثاني إسمه معلمي والثالث ريدي لكن كلهم محششون.


صدق الله العظيم
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Day and YAUM.
written by Reed Wilson. , November 10, 2012

To the learned lady fineliving56. You write "The Arabic word '' Yawm '' …. means … a 24 hour day …..… when you see a number is mentioned like 50.000 in Aya 70 .. that will, in fact make it …to means the length of a day ..24 hours"

Quran has not used the English word 'day'. It rather uses the Arabic word يَوْمِ or YAUM if transliterated. Had it there been 'day' it was obviously ambiguous as you said. The Arabic word يَوْمِ has several meanings. I copypaste below dictionary meanings of يَوْمِ for you.

Yeh, waw, miim
Yaum: means day: the time from sunrise to sunset: this word is used by the Arabs to mean a certain time or era: there is no distinction in it for day or night, morning or evening: it could mean an year or a century: a thousand years or even fifty thousand years: like with waqt and saa’at , after yaum ‘iz’ is added and yaumaizin almost means the same as waqtaizin and saataizin : * so, waqt, saa’a and yaum are nearly of the same meaning i.e. time: the plural of yaum is ayyaam: * Ibn Faaris says yaum means day : and he has also said that figuratively it means a great thing.
It also means government (power) and wealth **: tilkal ayyamu nuda wiluha bainan naas: 3:139 here ayyam means government and state: **.
Ayyam: also appears to mean the great and unforgettable events of history: like ayyamal Arb which means waqa’il Arb **: i.e. the events of Arabia: at various places in the Qur’an ayyamul laah has come to mean this: as wa zikrihum bi-ayyamillaah: 14:5
(Lughat ul Quran pp 1797)

Arabic is not my 'native language' and I am not even Egyptian or Syrian. I dont claim that I know better Arabic than the linguists like Muheet, Raaghib and author of Lisanul Arab.

I hope it is clear now. Please do ask if there is any further confusion.
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fineliving
written by malem , November 10, 2012
It is you that is wrong lass. Maybe someone taught you the wrong meaning, maybe you just understood it worng, but either way you are still wrong. People from the levant are often mistaken in what the true mean of arabic words are, its just a fact of life. So Reed has the correct interpretation in this case.
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MAlem
written by Kaser , November 10, 2012
Malem, this discussion kind of hints to me that there is some confusion about the Arabic language - specifically meanings.
I see it here and I read about how difficult it is to properly interpret the Quran due to the fact it is in Arabic.
How do you explain this, Malem, when you said that Allah is the greatest communicator?
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Fineliving
written by abc , November 10, 2012
Why? That's about as low as you can go.
You walked right under the belly of a snake.
Why begin your dribble with: أعوذ بالله من الشيطان الرجيم
Why begin your rubbish with بيسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
Are you deliberately trying to offend!
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kaser
written by malem , November 10, 2012
The Quran is clear, it is you. Your inability to have an open mind and take the time to read it, absorb it and accept it will always hinder you lad. Maybe you might start by going to a mosque and listen to an Imam talk about the quran, that could help. Or maybe you go to a quality webt site that presents it to you.
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Malem
written by Kaser , November 10, 2012
You said it right... Read the Quran and ACCEPT it. Your words.
I have been to many reputable websites, the main one being USC:
http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/

Malem, I now can see that there is no discussion with you.
You refute facts and always come back with the same old one-liners. You always point the blame back on us.
You are devoid of agruments. This is getting boring...
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kaser
written by malem , November 11, 2012
Poor kaser, you are whining. Who's blaming, I told you it was clear!
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To everyone … listen to this kind of pure islamic hypocrisy
written by fineliving56 , November 11, 2012
You might have read my fake Quranic versos l'' ook alike'' up their …I called it '' Surah Malam ''

I had an idea yesterday … to pick exact words that Allah used in his Quran and used in an open poetry as Quran have used and came up with it …[ I am sure many ex muslims have done this ]

I had two reasons for doing this …

1) TO SHOW THE MUSLIMS HOW IT FEELS when the table is turned on them …WHEN THE SAME HURTFUL WORDS THAT QURAN USED TO HUMILIATE THE PAGANS, CHRISTIANS AND JEWS .. AND USED THEM TO ADRESS THEM '' THE MUSLIMS '' …

2) To show how a women who was born to Islam and left ..CAN come up with similar versus that Quran had.

What is really funny …. IT TOOK ME 10 MIN to come up with this open poetry that rhymes like Quran does … hahaha … [ as a student had a knack for poetry and writing ..so it was easy for me ] …

Here is the … Words that Quran used, and I picked to use in my fake fQuranic versus .

'' devious people '' ….…. you can find it in '' Q/35/43 among many more Ayas .. '' makirun ''

'' deaf,dump,blind '' … you can find it in ..'' Q/2/18 … '' Summun , bikmun , omun ''

'' liars '' … you can find it in many … Q 26 /222 '' kazibon ''

'' deceivers '' …you can find it in … Q 40/19 .. '' gashashun ''

'' buried in graves '' …you can find it .. Q/35/22 '' maqburun ''

'' ignorante people '' … you can find it ..in Q/11/29 ..'' '' jahilun ''

'' do not understand '' … you can find it in ..Q/ 23 /80 ..'' la yafqahun ''

'' hypocrites '' … you can fin it in … Q/ 2/10 …'' al munafiqun ''

Now …. we come to the word '' hashasheen ' means …'' People who smock hasgesh '' …

it is NOT used in Quran … I just wanted to have some fun on the expanse of Muslims .. I hope you forgive me .. I could not resist … hahaha …

So ..as you all see …what I did was so bad in the eyes of Muslim Malam, he was so outraged and foaming at the ,mouth … he called me names .. but that is OK I am used to Muslims who abuse.

apparently it HURTS when words of their own Quran used on them. … It is typical reaction of Muslims … they can handle the words of their own Quran … AMAZING TO SAY THE LEAST .

BTW …

Egyptians are well known of using Hashish in their Hookah ..in fact 80 % of them used it everyday according to a study done years a go after the ind of Britten occupation of Egypt … I do not know what is it now … so my harmless joke was not far off from reality .

To Non Muslims , what do you think ? … if you want translation I will translate my fake Quranic viruses .

peace



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@ abc
written by This is Rami Rustom , November 11, 2012
> Why begin your dribble with: أعوذ بالله من الشيطان الرجيم
> Why begin your rubbish with بيسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
> Are you deliberately trying to offend!

No. She's making a point. Malem says that Fineliving doesn't understand Arabic well. So she wrote some Arabic to test Malem. And she made the test even more useful by including stuff that is consistent with Quranic verses. And sure enough, Malem didn't notice. What could that mean? It means he doesn't understand Arabic.
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To Admin
written by fineliving56 , November 11, 2012
My post to Malam …about Suriet Malam that I have created for a reason to make a point ….it was taken away for inspection ..

I hope it will be posted to show how I created viruses that sounds like Quran using exact random words of Quran to make my own creation …it need to posted to explain my arabic post the I have posted … appearntly made Malam see red .

Thank you
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@ Everyone
written by This is Rami Rustom , November 11, 2012
Malem said: "The Quran is clear, it is you. Your inability to have an open mind and take the time to read it, absorb it and accept it will always hinder you lad. Maybe you might start by going to a mosque and listen to an Imam talk about the quran, that could help. Or maybe you go to a quality webt site that presents it to you."

Notice how Malem said "accept it". That means submit. Submit to what? Submit to the idea that Allah exists and the Quran and Mohamed and heaven and hell and sins and so on.

What does it mean to submit to an idea? It means to consider it as true without addressing one's criticisms of that idea.

We have presented Malem with criticisms and he hasn't criticized them. We asked him questions and he hasn't answered them. Why does he do this? What would happen if he did address our criticisms and answer our questions? Well, he would have to consider ideas that conflict with his Allah idea. That means he'd have to reject the Allah idea. So the only way to continue to believe in the Allah idea is to evade our criticisms and our questions.
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Rami
written by fineliving56 , November 11, 2012
Thank you for your correct explanation of my reasons of creating Quranic like verses.

It took, Malam long time to realize it .. if he was an Arabic native, like he claims to be, he would have been alerted of the fake Arabic Quranic verses, I wrote, right away.

What is really amazing to me, is that, the words of Quran shocks him when I used to describe Muslims, but, on the other hand, it gives him joy, when he reads the same words, in Quran, describing non Muslims .

What is so strange … muslims do not realize the lack of inconsistency in their reaction to Quran's words .
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Fineliving
written by Malem , November 11, 2012
I did read you posts with the fake verses, but there was no point in responding lass. You see people write false things on this blog all day, if I took the time to respond to all of them, it would be quite a feat. You need not make up verses, they are already provided to you in the Quran, by Allah. You calling me names in your little surah was funny, but is more a reflection on your intolerance to others religion of choice. Instead of trying to divide people I would rather try to bring them together in peace. Instead of spreading hateful messages why not try to extend some nice words. As for my native arabic speaking ability it is extremely good, much better uniersity program in Msra than Souria.
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Abc
written by fineliving56 , November 11, 2012
Like Rami said …

I was trying to make a point but I ended up, making few points :

1) Malam did not notice the fake Quranic verses …he only responded after I revealed it .

2) By doing my experiment, I wanted to ask you [ all Muslims ] this question :… '' how do you like it, if the same hurtful words of Quran turned on you or directed at you [ all Muslims] ?

3) To show Malam and Reed, that I am knowledgeable of the proper Arabic language, even old proper Arabic language, and not ONLY slang like they try to say, and CAN produce rhythmic verses like of Quran's .

4) it revealed to me that you, who responded first, know Arabic [ unless you showed the fake verses to an Arabic person !? ]

I am not trying to offend … I am trying to show you [ all Muslims] your inconsistency in your judgment .
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@ Malem
written by This is Rami Rustom , November 11, 2012
> but is more a reflection on your intolerance to others religion of choice.

Fineliving and the rest of us don't have a problem with tolerance of ideas (including religions).

We have a problem with ***evil***. If a religion happens to contain evil ideas, well that sucks.

I am tolerant of ideas. But that doesn't mean I'm unwilling to judge that some ideas are evil. I will call out evil where ever I see it.

For example, the idea of punishment is evil. And the idea of coercion is evil. And 99% of parents worldwide still use these ideas when interacting with their kids.
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Rami
written by malem , November 12, 2012
Punishment is evil? So if a parent instructs a child not to do something and they do anyway, then the parents punsih the child by either sending them to their room or a spanking, you call that evil? You see lad, the term punishment is a very general term, you should define more clearly what you mean. There are consequences with actions. You cause harm to another, you are sent to prison maybe. That is punishment. Not having consequences for bad behavior will only cause more of the same etc..

Fineliving, you are very funny as always, not much content but funny
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Rami
written by Kaser , November 12, 2012
Spot on about Malem.
He will never ever open discussions with anyone about the contents of the Quran.
because he know doing so will paint him in a corner.

His tactic is simple and effective.
Refuse all criticism and claim, time after time, that the Quran/Islam/Allah are perfect.
It is a very efficient and simple approach when trying to defend the undefendable.

He chose to ACCEPT Islam as it is, no questions asked.
This is a truly closed mind.
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@ Malem
written by This is Rami Rustom , November 12, 2012
> Punishment is evil? So if a parent instructs a child not to do something and they do anyway,

How does the parent know he's right? Sometimes the parent is wrong. So in these cases...

> then the parents punsih the child by either sending them to their room or a spanking,

So the child was right, and the parent sent him to his room or hit him?

> you call that evil?

Yes.

> You see lad, the term punishment is a very general term, you should define more clearly what you mean.

You mentioned sending a kid to his room and spanking. Both of those fit my definition for punishment. So, so far we are on the same page on what punishment is.

> There are consequences with actions. You cause harm to another, you are sent to prison maybe. That is punishment.

No. Sending someone to prison is a protection for the rest of society. I want the government to lock up criminals so that those criminals don't commit crimes on me.

> Not having consequences for bad behavior will only cause more of the same etc..

So first it is important to figure out whether a certain action is good or bad. And so far, you've described a situation where the parent decided on his own that he is right and that the child is wrong and that the consequence of this disagreement is that the child will be forced to his room or forced to receive a spanking.

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