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Islam’s Idolism

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Muslims mock Hinduism's idolism, i.e. its idol-worship. In fact, they also follow idolism as do Hindus, as will be proven below:

  • During the Hajj, they wear two pieces of clothes. Hindus, while praying to their deity, also wear two pieces of clothes.
  • Muslims go around Kaaba temple and make 7 rounds. Hindus also go around temple and make 5 or 7 rounds.
  • Muslims kiss Black Stone in the Kabaa. Hindus also kiss and hug the Black Stone, i.e. emblem of Lord Shiva.
  • Muslims take water from a well, called Zamzam, assuming it holy. Hindus also drink water from a well, near a Shiva temple, and assume that it is holy water of Ganga (river).
  • Muslims shave their heads during Hajj. Hindu also shaves their head during visit to the temple of Lord Balaji at Tirupati (Andra Pradesh, India).

This idolized Hajj is part of Islam but Muslims deny that this is idolism. They claim that they use the Black Stone for centre or direction. Hindus also said that they use idol as a central-point for concentration or direction, and for their monotheism, they refer to Veda quote that there is only one Supreme God, but people/religions call God with different names and form as per their traditions and languages.

islam-black-stone-in-kaba islam-black-stone-kiss

Most Muslims say that the Black Stone is the hand of Allah. Hence, the God is stone; it can be seen as stone. This is a purely idolatrous view. Hardcore fundamentalist Muslims say that kissing the Black Stone and going around the Kaaba is idolism. They are opposed it. In 1978, a gang of such radical Muslims vandalized the Black Stone, but the King of Arabia reinstated it. All Muslims pray to the direction of this Black Stone, they bend and touch their heads to the direction of this Stone. This is simply mono-idolism.

After that, Hajj pilgrims go on hill. There might have been some temple on that hill before the establishment of Islam. In India, all major temples are located on hills or in a cave of a hill. For pilgrimage, Hindus always go to temples located on hills. Traveling to hills/mountains for pleasing God is a ritual of idol-worship. Hindus travel to the Himalaya for pleasing Lord Shiva. They also go on pilgrimage to a temple situated on a mountain in Tiruannamalai (Tamilnadu, India). This is totally idolism. So, in fact, Muslims are practicing idolism.

Thereafter, Muslims collect pebbles and go to the three pillars of the Satan. They pelt those pebbles on the Satan. Hindu also burn effigy of Ravan (Satan). Pelting stones at or burning effigy of the Satan is similar idolatrous rituals. The Satan also has a shape and visibility. God is stone and the Satan is pillar – both are visible. So, what is the meaning of the Muslim claim that their God is invisible/unseen? Furthermore, God is one (Black Stone) and the Satan are three. Why?

3 pillars of satan for pelting stone during hajj

Three pillars of Satan. Muslims pelts stone at them.

Why there are 3 pillars for Satan? There were 3 goddesses, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and Al-Manat. Before Islam, idols of these goddesses were placed in the Kaaba and the Quraish prayed to these goddesses. These goddesses were well-known daughters of Allah, the main deity of the Quraish tribe. The Arabs used to pray to these daughters of Allah. Muhammad also had once given Muslims the permission to offer prayers to these goddesses. After that, he realized that the number of people attending the Namaj were getting reduced. As this could threaten his organization (Islam), he again banned idol worship. Muhammad gave excuse for banning this idol worship that Satan had misguided him and put those verses on his tongue. He said that those 3 goddesses were Satan. Three pillars, symbolizing the Satan, are actually those three Goddesses. This is a case of offering prayers to the Father (Allah), but stoning His daughters (three Goddess). This is idolism, too.

When people are restricted from idolism, they start praying to death bodies, i.e. dargah/majar. This is an effect of banning idolism. Muslims goes to Dargah/Majar for prayer/ blessing. The Quran commands not to make partners of Allah. But these thousands of Dargah/majar are actually partners of Allah. Even the President of Pakistan goes to Dargah to seek blessing. These dargah are nothing but decomposed body, a hip of mixture of skin, bone, soil and sand/stone. Praying to it and seeking blessings is superstitious idol worship.

Muslims celebrate Eid after seeing the moon. If they cannot see the moon, they postpone Eid. Hindus also celebrate Chaturthi, Kojagiri Pornimaa and Karwachoutha after seeing the moon. Seeing the moon for prayer is a practice of idolism.

All religions profess sacrifice or offering to God. Non-vegetarians profess sacrifice with blood and vegetarian profess sacrifice without blood (i.e. with fruits, food etc.). Since ancient times, idol-worshiper sacrificed goat or other animals to please their God. Before Islam, idol-worshipping tribes of Arabia used to sacrifice goat and other animal at the Kaaba. Muhammad adopted this sacrifice of goat. This is idolism, because God never eat/want anything, God don’t want sacrifice. It is created by man. Non-vegetarian Hindu sacrifice Goat/hen to their God and Vegetarian Hindu break coconut before God as a sacrifice ritual. Sacrifice means offering to God, but not killing human/animal. Nonetheless, this is an ancient ritual of idol-worship, which Islam has copied from idolatrous Arab tradition.

Once I was watching a Pakistan TV Channel. One of the journalists, commenting on democracy, said that person-worship is more dangerous than idol-worship. Idols cannot speak, Idols has no emotion i.e. anger, hate etc. Idol has no personal vendetta. But person (leader/Godman/Prophet/Messanger) can speak, has emotion and personal vendetta. He mostly misguide people, incite them, and this is dangerous for civil society. Hence believing in a person without verifying the facts is more dangerous than idol-worship. Muslims believe Muhammad to be their prophet and the last and the best prophet, and they give salute to Muhammad at the end of their prayer. The Quran also demand that believe in Muhammad, listen to him and follow his direction. In fact, emulating every action and deed of Muhammad is a Muslim’s greatest dream. This is purely person-worship. So, Islam has three types of worships – person-worship, idolism, and monotheism based on Judaism.

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Pedophilia mohamed is a biggest idol of islam.
written by Saviour , November 15, 2012
Moslem idol is a looter, rapist, terrorist, slave trader, polygamist and pedophile is called mohamed the pedo pig. as simple as that, no long articles.
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Islam is pedophile idol worshipers
written by Saviour , November 15, 2012
If moslems are serious about monotheist then why do they worship graves, dargah, death bodies, moon symbols, imam worship, scholar-worship, kaba vagina idol, and even blindly following terror koran and kissing it an idolatry. apart, moslems riots and terrorize when u burn their terror manual and make a porn movie of mohammed thru hadees, this is the sign of idolatry.

New non-idolatry kalma
I piss on mecca, kaaba, mohamed and worship moon ALLAH ALONE.
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Saviour
written by kope , November 15, 2012
islam is fastest growing religion in the western people
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Feel free
written by Betty , November 15, 2012
to kick the turntable as it's skipping over and over again Saviour, always remember that more people are leaving Islam than joining and the ones joining are girls who can't find white men and criminals in prison..hhahahahhahah
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Betty
written by kope , November 15, 2012
i like your gigling
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Malem
written by xyz , November 15, 2012

Malem lad, I am waiting for you to provide historical proof that " Islam is an Abrahamic faith" ( a proof apart from Quran )

Why Moses and Jesus or any damn prophet apart from muhamed never spoke about holiness of Mecca and Kaaba and black stone??
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written by Reed Wilson. , November 15, 2012
Mr. Anand. I liked your article. I agree also that there are similarities of rituals of Hindus and Muslims.

I am not sure that Hindus are worshiping idols. The idols do not ask Hindus for any duty to follow or obey them. Following and obeying is the essence of worship. Just respecting is not worship.

All religions are based on divine message, in whatever form it may be and respective people may have. Hindus also have scripture which they follow and obey.

Shaving head is not worship. Muslims should do what they are asked to do. Avoid what is forbidden. Making mockery is forbidden in Quran.
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@ Kope
written by This is Rami Rustom , November 15, 2012
> islam is fastest growing religion in the western people

Lets say thats true. What is also true is that people are leaving religions more often that people adopt religions.

So, if your idea is true, then lets reword it to make more sense:

Among western theists, more of them are becoming Muslims than any other religion.

Religion is a crutch. Its like a child using a blankie and sucking his thumb to feel secure.

Kope, when are you going to stop using using a blankie and sucking your thumb?
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Reed.
written by Dwito , November 15, 2012
Making mockery is forbidden in Quran.


Reed, mockery may be practiced in two ways,-
a) physically,
and
b) by following/obeying.

a) Physically - like children mock their father in joy acting. Or loons tease physically handicapped poor people.

b) Following/Obeying - Copy-acting similar gestures/activities/rituals, whatever done in precedence without questioning and judging.(here precedence to Mohammed).

Could you pl. elaborate how one may follow Islam without mocking aforesaid instructions?
(aforesaid= before to Qur'an)

And how did Allah's prophet Mohammed follow Islam before he got complete revelations?
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Kopey
written by Mohamed , November 15, 2012
Kopey complains of diarrhea when america farts.

It makes me think Kopeys life hangs on the amrican kindness for if they are responsible for his/her troubles then his/her life depends on it.
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Mal-Man the unlawfulman
written by Mohamed , November 15, 2012
Malman the law abiding citizen has two wives cause the law allows.
Malman has sex with animals in Lebnan for the law allows.
Malman has sex with babies in Iran for the law allows.

Malman is a coward who hides behind law.
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To Reed Wilson
written by Archpagan , November 15, 2012
Do you pray facing Kaaba? If so, why? Is your God trapped in Kaaba?
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Kaaba and facing it
written by Infidel and More proud , November 15, 2012
The irony is that inside Kaaba it is not mandatory to face in a particular direction.
How does one face Kaaba if one is exactly on opposite Meridion?
How does one shit opposite of Kaaba when on opposite meridion?
Methinks one would be shitting on Kaaba cause earth is round. How does a muslim shit in space when flying over Kaaba?
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Oh dear
written by abc , November 15, 2012
Another great scholarly piece by the yokels at islamwatch.
Read my lips anand!!


  In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

  Say: He is Allah, the One and Only!
   Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
  He begetteth not nor is He begotten.
  And there is none like unto Him.
                          
                           
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Allah Like idols (I invite abc, RW and Kope to provide contradiction)
written by Infidel and More Proud , November 15, 2012
Quran Surah Al-Feel describes an event that occurred in pre-Islamic Arabia (around 570 AD). In fact some Muslims claim that this event happened when Muhammad was born. We know that at this point of time Kaaba was a pagan temple with many idols. Muhammad’s father and uncles were priests of these temples. Their names (like Abdullah, Abd Al Manat etc) were derived from the name of the idol they used to worship. In short, at this point in time Kaaba was a place plagued with shirk (as per Islam) and Allah should have ideally kept himself away from it’s affairs.

But surprisingly, Surah Al-Feel of the Quran states that Lord decided to save this pagan site from an invading army!
Tafsir Ibn Kathir Surah Al-Feel
“(1. Have you not seen how your Lord dealt with the Owners of the Elephant)
(2. Did He not make their plot go astray)
(3. And He sent against them birds, in flocks (Ababil).)
(4. Striking them with stones of Sijjil.)
(5. And He made them like `Asf, Ma’kul.) This is one of the favors Allah did for the Quraysh. He saved them from the People of the Elephant who had tried to tear down the Ka`bah and wipe out all traces of its existence”
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Now once the idols were pulled down Allah decides not to protect Kaaba (Allah is weaked after all other idols gone)
written by Infidel and More Proud , November 15, 2012
When Kaaba became an Islamic shrine, it could not be saved by Allah!
In the year 930 AD, Kaaba was exclusively reserved for Allah (as the pagan idols had been destroyed much earlier by Muhammad himself). In short, Allah was the sole protector of Kaaba and it was an exclusive Islamic shrine. At this juncture, a Qarmatian leader by the name Abu Tahir Al-Jannabi attacked Kaaba.

To understand the extent to which Abu Tahir hated Muhammad and Islam is evident from his opinion:
“He rejected and ridiculed belief in Mohammed and Islam in saying: In this world, three individuals have corrupted mankind: a shepherd, a physician and a camel-driver. And this camel-driver was the worst pickpocket, the worst prestidigitator of the three.”

Despite being an absolute enemy of Allah and Muhammad, when Abu Tahir attacked Kaaba- the exclusive house of Allah, Allah could do nothing!
“The bodies of the pilgrims were left to rot in the streets or thrown down the Well of Zamzam. The Kaaba was looted, with Abu Tahir taking personal possession of the Black Stone and bringing it back to Al-Hasa.”
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...-Jannābī
It’s abundantly clear from above that Allah could not protect His Kaaba after He threw the other deities out from that house. The Kaaba stands as a testimony of the fact that it was supernaturally guarded when it was a Pagan site and humiliatingly desecrated when it was an Islamic site.

The Kaaba stares at all Muslims in the face, asking the question: How did Allah become strong while defending shirk and weak while defending Islam?
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Grand Mosque sieze Allah does not give one Muslim power of 10 Infidels
written by Infidel and More Proud , November 15, 2012
Grand Mosque Seize occured when a Muslim claiming himself to be Mahdi (the redeemer prophesied in Islamic books to come before doomsday)- Abdullah Hamid Mohammed Al-Qahtani attacked the Kaaba with his few hundred armed Mujahideen. He took thousands of the pilgrims, preparing to offer prayers at the Kaaba, hostage. His goons killed a few hundreds including Saudi soldiers. Finally a team of French Commandos was requested by Saudi Government to help rescue the hostages and clear the mosque from the Mahdi and his Mujahids! To cut the long story short, the Kafir French Commandos accomplished the mission, executed the Mahdi and his goons, and rescued the Kaaba and the Muslims. As soon as the benevolent mission was over and the Kaaba was secured, the Wahabis started downplaying the fact that Kafir French soldiers helped Muslim Saudis in that operation. After all they had to defend the Wahhabi position that a Muslim equals ten Kafirs in strength! Some Islamists have tried to salvage the word of Allah of Muslim supremacy over Kafir in strength, by floating a story that those French Soldiers were made to recite the Kalma before they entered the Kaaba for the operation! So as per these story tellers, the French Commandos became Muslims after reciting Kalma and hence Kaaba was recaptured by Muslims only It doesn’t matter to them if these Kafir French recited a few words that they did not understand at all and could hardly recite because of their accent! On top of it, muslims also fail to explain as to why Saudi Muslims who used to recite Laillah illallah Muhammadur Rasoolullah five times a day, 365 days an year throughout their lives and of whom Allah is the friend, could not rescue their shrine on their own?
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Q. to abc, RW and Kope what is the Post Kaaba liberation punishment for Infidels (Christian soldiers who saved Kaaba)
written by Infidel and More Proud , November 15, 2012
1. Why were the Kafir French Soldiers allowed to enter Mecca?

2. Why was Saudi Muslim army so incompetent to eliminate few hundred oppressors? Why did Allah let whole Muslim Ummah down by not helping them against the attackers? Why did not Allah act as per His assurance in Quran to help Muslims, especially for Saudis whom Allah loves the most?

3. Why ten times weaker Kafirs were requested by Muslims to carry out the operation? Was the Quran wrong in estimating the relative strengths of Kafirs and Momins?

4. Will those brave French soldiers go to Jannah (heaven) for the holiest of the works one can ever do i.e. to save the HOUSE OF ALLAH- KAABA? Or they will go to hell just like other great people such as Bismil, Azad, Subhash Chandra Bose, Bhagat Singh, Sukhdev, Rajguru for the only fault of being Non Muslims?

5. If Dr. Naik believes in the story that the French Commandos were made to read Kalma before the operation, then we have one more query: Even if it be assumed that these French Kafirs became Muslims during the operation, they ultimately practiced Christianity after the operation. So they become apostates and Allah prescribes death penalty for apostates.What punishment Allah has in plan for these unholy apostates who protected the holy Kaaba?

Do they deserve death here on earth and eternal hell hereafter?
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Islam and Idolatry
written by Gnostic , November 15, 2012
In fact the islamic view of idolatry constitutes an extremist and radical and exaggerated anti-idolatrism,

Muslims destroyed Buddhas and pictures everywhere they arrived because of their phobic misunderstanding of arts and imagination. Christian or buddhist sculptures or icons are NOT idols to be worshipped at all; they are only symbolically representing the person to be worshipped. Therefore, the destruction makes no sense but it still is a very stupid destruction of arts and cultural heritage.

Another aspect of islamic anti-idolatry is nothing but superstition. Muslims believe that sculptures and paintings would try to receive the soul of its creator.

The result is that the muslim societies are poor in many cultural aspects such as painting or sculptures which were forbidden and all arts are reduced to very simple structures.

Even music is forbidden as well as some kinds of dancing and it seems that islam is restricting humans every days life where ever possible.

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Anand
written by Malem , November 15, 2012
Who are these "most" You state "Most Muslims say that the Black Stone is the hand of Allah. Hence, the God is stone; it can be seen as stone. This is a purely idolatrous view. " Actually we learned from young age that alHajr alAswad was sent by Allah to Adem and Hawwa to direct them where to have the first place of worship, some say it was white and turned to black when the first sins were cast. Ibrahim is to have built the first site of worship with it in Mecca and after many people stole and damaged the prophet Muhhamed was to lay it in the spot where it is today. I have never met anyone who consider it the hand of Allah. As for the other details listed some are true but there are many missing, like the trip to Marwah and Safa and Arafah....
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Infidull and more proud!
written by abc , November 16, 2012
Since you asked me I shall endevour to answer.
1. According to Islamic theology the Kaaba was built as a house of monotheism.
Over time people started as tribes mingled the practice of polytheism creeped in.
However monotheism still remained in tribes and they were called hanifs.
Now Muhammad(pbuh) grandfather said it the best during the year of the prophets birth when he and and tribes retreated to the hills when the Kaaba was threatened. "the ONE whose house it is can protect the house"
The rest is written! So even during polytheistic period monotheism remained.
Did he not protect his sanctuary irrespective?

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Infidel and more proud
written by abc , November 16, 2012
As for your questions!
1. Good question will have to look that up
2. The Saudis authorities are incompetent bafoons. The quicker the Saudi regime is dismantled and destroyed the better.
3. There were Muslim soldiers ready and waiting to go.
4. I'm not sure what your 10 times babble is all about. Are you saying that if a non Muslim converts to Islam they become 10 times stronger?? What are you on??
5. What will become of the French soldiers? Allah(swt) knows best.
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Infidel and more proud
written by abc , November 16, 2012
I had never heard of Abu tahir. Did you read the reference you gave?
He could not enter the sanctuary! He invoked his right as a Muslim to enter.
He was granted that right. He knew the pilgrims would be unarmed.
He then attacked the sanctuary! What do you call this? Treachery comes to mind.
In the end what happened? Abu tahir is an unknown page in Wikipedia and Islam has 1.6 billion adherents.
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Secondly
written by abc , November 16, 2012
As for the black stone? It's just a stone!
It has absolutely no significance in Islam. Infact if you read the words of the the second khaliph Umar you would know that the only reason people touch it is because the prophet touched it. It holds no other significance.
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abc 4th point babble in Quran (trust you have read Quran and also managed to understand and remember what is inside it)
written by Infidel and More Proud , November 16, 2012
abc-z it is Quran babbling not me so in repentance to Allah you can apologise on this site that you are ignorant about Quran and what lies within..
(8:65) O Prophet! Rouse the believers to fighting. If they be twenty of you who persevere they shall vanquish two hundred; and if there be of you a hundred, they shall vanquish a thousand of those who disbelieve, for they are a people who lack understanding.
(8:66) Allah has now lightened your burden for He found weakness in you. So if there be hundred of you who persevere, they shall vanquish two hundred; and if there be a thousand of you they shall, by the leave of Allah, vanquish two thousand.Allah is with those who persevere.
Let me know if you need more help.
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to abc
written by Infidel and More Proud , November 16, 2012
My reply to point 4 is with site admin.
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Additional Info
written by Yibel , November 16, 2012
Researchers have noted that the Ka'aba is accurately aligned on two heavenly phenomena: the cycles of the moon and the rising of Canopus, the brightest star after Sirius.

Pre-Islamic worship of the goddess seems to be primarily associated with Al'Lat, which simply means 'goddess'. She is a triple goddess, similar to the Greek lunar deity Kore/Demeter/Hecate. Each aspect of this trinity corresponds to a phase of the moon. In the same way Al-Lat has three names known to the initiate: Q're/Kore, the crescent moon or the maiden; Al-Uzza, literally 'the strong one', who is the full moon and goddess of sacrifice; and Manat/Ma'at (Egyptian), the waning but wise goddess of fate, prophecy and divination. Islamic traditions continue to recognize these three, but labels them 'daughters of Allah'.

Al-Uzza was especially worshipped at the Kaaba where she was served by seven priestesses. Her worshippers circled the holy stone seven times - once each for the moon, sun and five roaming stars (actually planets), and did so in total nudity.

When Muhammed wanted to supplant Al-Lat with Allah, this was the Temple to conquer, and although Muhammed did conquer the Kaaba, little else changed. The faithful still circle the Ka'aba seven times, (the pilgrims wear a white linen cloth to cover their genitals and are not fully clothed) and the priests of the Ka'aba are still known as Beni Shaybah (Sons of the Old Woman).
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A-Z Point 4 take 2
written by Infidel and More Proud , November 16, 2012
Surat Al-'Anfāl (The Spoils of War) - سورة الأنفال
O Prophet, urge the believers to battle. If there are among you twenty [who are] steadfast, they will overcome two hundred. And if there are among you one hundred [who are] steadfast, they will overcome a thousand of those who have disbelieved because they are a people who do not understand.
Probably you need to spend more time reding and understanding Quran. Meanwhile you can repent for not not knowing enough Quran. Hope you now know who is babbling. Quran or you it is your choice.
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Infidell and more proud
written by abc , November 16, 2012
I suggest you read a tafseer for the proper understanding.
Don't just babble!!!
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to a-z what did u understand from Tafseer
written by Infidel and More Proud , November 16, 2012
1. Muslims have 10 times more power then non beleivers in war.
2. Non beleivers fought muslims in Kaaba
3. Yet non believers who had 1/10 the strenghth of muslims were invited and won over the new prophet who held the pilgrims as hostage.
4. Muslims would have been 10 times more powerful then attackers for Allah is/was on their side.
5.Trust the Saudis were muslims (wahabis) who were guarding pilgrims and Kaaba unless you know something I dont know

Trust either you are babbling or Quran? You can decide
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Infidel
written by Malem , November 16, 2012
Your point #2 is incorrect, The french soliders did convert to Islam prior to their assiting the Sauds, it was well discussed and published during that time as I recall it quite clearly. Furthermore there was a host of CIA individuals who also converted in order to help in the planning.
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Malam I agree they read shadha once. Re-read what I wrote earlier..
written by Infidel and More Proud , November 16, 2012
"Some Islamists have tried to salvage the word of Allah of Muslim supremacy over Kafir in strength, by floating a story that those French Soldiers were made to recite the Kalma before they entered the Kaaba for the operation! So as per these story tellers, the French Commandos became Muslims after reciting Kalma and hence Kaaba was recaptured by Muslims only It doesn’t matter to them if these Kafir French recited a few words that they did not understand at all and could hardly recite because of their accent! On top of it, muslims also fail to explain as to why Saudi Muslims who used to recite Laillah illallah Muhammadur Rasoolullah five times a day, 365 days an year throughout their lives and of whom Allah is the friend, could not rescue their shrine on their own?

Malam where did I say french and CIA did not recite shadha. All I said till they enter Kaaba they were not Muslims. At the very least they did not go there to perform Hajj?"

It is nice to know muslims had to take help from French and Amearicans to save their ArsZ..

So the point is incorrect that those who recited shadha 5 times a day and 365 days a year were less powerfull then those who just recited it once.

Who are you kidding? Yourself or Allah or your brethren muslims?

Was it muslims who saved kaaba or christian pork eaters who recited shadha once kaaba saved it?
As per Quran there cannot be a fight in masjid a haram then why did Saudi govt fight.
Why did they not starve the new prophet?
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Infidel
written by Malem , November 16, 2012
My point was at the time they entered into Mecca they were Muslims. The converted, what took place in that conversion was not much discussed at all, but the fact was they were Muslims. So it was Muslims helping Muslims. Actually the Sauds at the time were thinking about storming in, but in hindsight they reflected and determined along with the French Muslims that it would be better to gas the intruders out and then deal with them. Which they did and it was quite the punsihment, I believe it was 60 somthing beheadings took place after that. Maybe that is where the saying comes from "heads will roll"
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ONE FOR TWENTY
written by FOOL , November 16, 2012
There are 6 million Jews in Israel. So only 0.3 million steadfast Muslims are required to overcome them. Aren't there that many steadfast Muslims in the whole world? Seems Allah is not interested in keeping his promise.
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Fool
written by Malem , November 16, 2012
Your name says it all, no response required.
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No point trying make sense of Islam
written by Guy Macher , November 16, 2012
Islam has no rationale. It is the twisted nightmare of a psychopath. May as well try to find philosophical truth in monkey scat. Certainly, only a fool of a Muslim barrow could argue against my point.
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Primitives at Play
written by Logan , November 16, 2012
You can't force troglodytes to leave the 7th century behind. Their"religion" shows them to be as primitive as neanderthals, so do their actions & beliefs.
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Malem Lad, abcdefg, kopeys
written by xyz , November 16, 2012
Malem lad, I am waiting for you to provide historical proof that " Islam is an Abrahamic faith" ( a reference other than Quran )

Why Moses and Jesus or any damn prophet apart from muhamed never spoke about holiness of Mecca and Kaaba and black stone??
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WHAT IS THE USE KOPE?
written by FOOL , November 16, 2012
@ KOPE
You keep telling that west is going Islam way.
What is the use?
If west turns Islam way,
who will give billions to startving Muslims of Africa and Asia?
and who will feed the suckers who are running towards west in hordes?

pray for Muslims sake that the west stays as it is.
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alhamdulilaa i am converting to kafir hinduism
written by HARKAT UL JIHAD EI KAFIROOON , November 16, 2012
alhamdulilaa i am converting to kafir hinduism
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Infidel and More Proud
written by fineliving56 , November 16, 2012
Nice walk in memory lane, Islamic memory lane, that is .

Notice how the Muslim Malam, was trying to make sure, we remember that a MUSLIMS who went to fight Muslims, like THAT is something to be proud of, or it is anything knew we need to notice .

He does not realize, he still failed to react to the fact that His Allah could not, nor will ever, protect his house, the Ka'apa al mushar'rafa from the muslims themselves [al Qahtani ] let alone an infidel enemy .

History proved Allah proven to be,was,and will be, nothing but a useless, do nothing

How much you want to bet, that if an alien came to destroy the house of Allah, Al Ka'aba, it will in ruins in 1 second, and Allah will be sitting in his seventh sky watching. He would be as useful as third wheel .






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infantdel
written by malem , November 16, 2012
What you fail to realize is Allah gives free will to men so if they make war, so be it. It is not allahs house, that is in heaven, it is in honor of him. In the end it does not control islam
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Worship Mohammad's Ankle
written by Montegue , November 16, 2012
You will hear from time to time how Muslims discredit and lampoon Islam-watch writers. Muslims love to paint a beautiful past when the past was repulsively ugly. Not only Mohammad was a fraud and an atheist, as all his deeds spoke for him; his lieutenants too were equally atheists, and a few of them we amongst the adulterous lovers of his many wives.

While Mohammad's lechery infuriated all his wives, they conspired with their adulterous lovers; one night, they murdered and cut him to pieces. The return of the day brought a banned of his obedient men asking where he was. In answering the question, one of his wives presented his severed ankle, telling them that Mohammad had gone up to paradise while stand on the black stone, and that one of them managed to grab his ankle to prevent him from rising; however, at any rate his ankle separated from him as lizards detached their tails to escape from a hunter. As to maintain the raiding ban together, his favorite lieutenant commemorated Mohammad's point of departure toward the specious paradise, and designated the Arabic word Kaaba, meaning "ankle" as an appellation for the black stone. Thereafter, Muslims treat the black stone as holy and make pilgrimage to Macca making ritual encircling the black rock, Kaaba.

As the truth about Mohammad is ugly, Muslims will rebel upon hearing it; they will curse you, pretend that it's an insult of the highest degree; they will deny it vehemently, and even will stigmatize you for repeating this story by challenging the fluency of your Arabic and deny Kaaba as to mean an "ankle" of Mohammad. Some even pretend that it means the ankle of an animal and others, resort to ever changing stories. Regardless of what they say to you or about you, for they, who wish to have a beautiful past of Mohammad, truth is hard to swallow.
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to Fine
written by Infidel and More Proud , November 16, 2012
Malman doesnt get it that in the end it was infidels who saved muslims from muslims.
Same happened in Libya.
Same is about to happen in Syria.

And Saudi (Sauds) stand till the day infidels support them.
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Good explaination Malman get a one way Visa to heaven
written by Infidel and More Proud , November 16, 2012
And you fail to realise when in trouble Allah will not save your ArsZ
Chance for you to go to heaven.
One way visa to heaven by becoming martyr and take your brethren with you.
Life on planet earth is hard indeed for Muslims.
While infidels can live peacefully without fear of what lies in heaven.
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infidel
written by Kaser , November 16, 2012
You got that right - muslims (and all other die-hard believers) must constantly live in fear of "not being up to par" regarding their entry into their make-believe heaven.
Atheists can simply live as best a life they can and when our time comes up, we'll see and find out like everybody what happens when our bodies die.
Not looking forward to - but hey, we'll all go through it - no sense is crafting up a make-believe "afterlife" to soothe and kid ourselves.
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written by Reed Wilson. , November 16, 2012
Gnostic. You write "In fact the islamic view of idolatry constitutes an extremist and radical and exaggerated anti-idolatrism."

You may be right. On what basis you say that>

"Muslims destroyed Buddhas and pictures everywhere they arrived because of their phobic misunderstanding of arts and imagination."

This is not Islam.

"Christian or buddhist sculptures or icons are NOT idols to be worshipped at all; they are only symbolically representing the person to be worshipped."

Very true. I also said that.

"Another aspect of islamic anti-idolatry is nothing but superstition. Muslims believe that sculptures and paintings would try to receive the soul of its creator. "

It is not Islamic.

"The result is that the muslim societies are poor in many cultural aspects such as painting or sculptures which were forbidden and all arts are reduced to very simple structures."

Where are muslim societies?

"Even music is forbidden as well as some kinds of dancing and it seems that islam is restricting humans every days life where ever possible."

What is forbidden in Islam is given in Quran. I did not find music in the list.
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Fobidden et al
written by infidel and More proud , November 16, 2012
Music..
It is not prescribed either.
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written by Reed Wilson. , November 16, 2012
Archpagan. You write "Do you pray facing Kaaba? If so, why? Is your God trapped in Kaaba?

Not always. I can pray facing any direction. We are given a direction of faith. Allah says:

﴾ وَإِذِ ابْتَلَىٰ إِبْرَاهِيمَ رَبُّهُ بِكَلِمَاتٍ فَأَتَمَّهُنَّ ۖ قَالَ إِنِّي جَاعِلُكَ لِلنَّاسِ إِمَامًا ۖ قَالَ وَمِن ذُرِّيَّتِي ۖ قَالَ لَا يَنَالُ عَهْدِي الظَّالِمِينَ ﴿١٢٤﴾ وَإِذْ جَعَلْنَا الْبَيْتَ مَثَابَةً لِّلنَّاسِ وَأَمْنًا وَاتَّخِذُوا مِن مَّقَامِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ مُصَلًّى ۖ وَعَهِدْنَا إِلَىٰ إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَإِسْمَاعِيلَ أَن طَهِّرَا بَيْتِيَ لِلطَّائِفِينَ وَالْعَاكِفِينَ وَالرُّكَّعِ السُّجُودِ

The Arabic word مَثَابَةً means a point to return if deviate from there like mean position of a pendulum. I have quoted Quran 2:124-25 above. You may read onward upto 144 to give a concept قَبْلِهِ or direction of faith.Dont read like 'muslims' who read misguiding tafseer to understand Quran.

My wife has come to disturb. I will continue this. We, Machmoed and myself, discusssed this at great deal. He agreed also.



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Machmoed
written by fineliving56 , November 16, 2012
Where have you been Machmoed ?

I have been wondering, about you for long time and I hope you have not been all right… where are you hiding? .. Reed said, he has been discussing Quran with You, I am guessing in another forum where Islamic is the subject.

Is that is true, have you agreed with Reed that a Muslim can pray in which ever way he or she wants ?

You where one the best posters here your logic and commonsense was outstanding …

Why have you stopped posting in IW ?

Thanks

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Mistake
written by fineliving56 , November 16, 2012
sorry .. I meant to say :

'' I hope you have been all right "' and NOT I siad '' I hope you have NOT been all right ''

Just a funny mistake .. I do hope you are OK ..
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re: Reed
written by Gnostic , November 17, 2012
Reed, I was referring and will always refer to the Real Existing Islam and not to Reed Wilson Islam. It is very similar with marxism, you know. During the cold war many western communists claimed that the real existing communism was not the communism of Karl Marx.

However, today there are hardly any people left who still believe in communism. It was the reality that proved communism wrong and the same happens to islam. There are millions of really existing muslims really suffering from islam - they are poor , uneducated and superstitious. This is what I call the reality and the reality of really existing islam and this is very different from Reed Wilsons Islam which exists only in the brain of Reed Wilson.
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abc
written by xyz , November 17, 2012
"As for the black stone? It's just a stone! "

abc, let me remind you, black stone was placed by prophet Muhammad with his own hands in the Kaaba and prophet Muhammad kissed the black stone. It is NOT just A stone.

abc, Would you kiss the black stone ??
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Infidel
written by Kaser , November 17, 2012
I can attest to the music thing - even if our Muslim friends deny it over and over.
In a school not far from where I live, a young 5-year-old girl was placed in a corner of the classroom, with ear protectors, to prevent her from hearing whenever her fellow classmates were singing or listening to music.
5 year-old... and already her dimwit Islamo-fanatic parents are isolating her from other children.
Not to mention she was also afflicted with allergy to pork - poor little girl.

Actually, the parents were forcing the school to adopt a special treatment for her. Which the school did out of a desire to accommodate.
People were outraged, many wrote letters and posted comments... the school backed-down, stating that next year, no more such accommodations would be accepted.
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Human created gods
written by Realist , November 17, 2012
Dr. Albert Einstein had found so many scientific errors in the holy books that he came to the conclusion that all these human created gods were so confused and ill-informed.
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To Malem
written by Archpagan , November 17, 2012
" Actually we learned from young age that alHajr alAswad was sent by Allah to Adem and Hawwa to direct them where to have the first place of worship, some say it was white and turned to black when the first sins were cast. Ibrahim is to have built the first site of worship with it in Mecca and after many people stole and damaged the prophet Muhhamed was to lay it in the spot where it is today."

It's a myth purposefully created by Mohammad. The original myth of Adam and Eve had obscure origin, created as some sort of science. But Mohammad created the myth for self-serving purpose of claiming legitimacy as a prophet. When origin and purpose of a myth become known, it loses the status of a myth. You are cheating yourself and your intellects only. Original myth has no mention of either Kaaba or Mecca.
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Xyz
written by abc , November 17, 2012
Why do you insist on this silly game! You bring silly points and I knock them out. Try this for size!
“I know that you are a stone, you do not cause benefit or harm; and if it were not that I had seen Allâh’s Messenger – peace and blessings of Allâh be upon him – kiss you, I would never have kissed you.”
These are the words of Umar the second Khalif.
You do not know Islam better than him xyz!
The end
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written by vbv , November 17, 2012
What a laugh !! Muslims do not in believe in idool worship ,heh? What is the black stone in Kaaba being venerated so much for ? Because it is the idol of Allah . Further in Afghanistan the muslim nuts venerate a dirty tunic that was supposed to be worn by Muhamad , the fake prophet of islam. In Kashmir there is a shrine called 'Hazratbal' , which is venerating the hair/hairs from the beard of the selfsame Muhamad. What a joke this is ! Not only that muslims worship the graveyards of their sufi pirs. And after all this they claim to be "pure monotheists". This is humbug , a gigantic fraud, and the worst joke on humanity.
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abc
written by xyz , November 17, 2012

My dear abc, Umar's words and action do not match, so Umar' cannot be trusted.

Whatever Umar said, but Umar kissed the black stone.

Prophet Muhammad kissed the black stone.

Would you follow Umar or would you follow Muhammad . Although both kissed the black stone.

Now as a follower of Muhammad , and a follower of Umar, would you kiss the black stone.
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Malem
written by xyz , November 17, 2012
Malem lad, I am waiting for you to provide historical proof that " Islam is an Abrahamic faith" ( a reference other than Quran )

Why Moses and Jesus or any damn prophet apart from muhamed never spoke about holiness of Mecca and Kaaba and black stone??

abc, kope or reed can also reply
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abc
written by xyz , November 17, 2012
Try to understand my question abc.

Why Muhammed and Umar kissed a particular black stone????

Why Prophet of Islam honored and kissed a particular stone???

I am sure and you will agree that Prophet Muhammed knew islam more than Umar. I just want to understand

WHY PROPHET OF ISLAM, MUHAMMAD RESPECTED, HONORED AND KISSED A PARTICULAR STONE??
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turd
written by Mohamed , November 17, 2012
and Kopey , Malam, abc and RW all keep my turd in their homes.
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Kaser
written by Kafirwala , November 17, 2012
'WHY PROPHET OF ISLAM, MUHAMMAD RESPECTED, HONORED AND KISSED A PARTICULAR STONE??'

I think Mo had honored and kissed this particular stone because of its resemblance to vagina. Going through his biography, the main thing which struck me was his immense love for this particular part of the female anatomy. From the age of 40, I think he was impotent, though muslims claim and praise him that he had the vitality and virility of 30 men or so by a special dispensation by Allah, the all powerful. Though he had very much longed for a son to carry on his tradition, why Allah did not grant him that wish is beyond my comprehension. Anyway, though impotent, he visited all his wives in turn and said to have dispensed conjugal ecstasy to all of them in equal measure. According to Aisha, he showed the maximum restraint and discipline in sex compared to the other ordinary mortals. May be one can see Allah's endless mercy here. Anyway, Mo's admiration and adoration of the female anatomy, particularly the above mentioned part is well- known and above debate. In my humble opinion, this could be the reason which drew him so intimately to this stone as to kiss and venerate it and act as a perfect example to his countless followers down generations.
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Kafirwala
written by Dwito , November 17, 2012
Some time ago, one of our contributors, named Mirza Ghalib, mentioned his experience, how boastfully insane Arabs are about their libido power.

You insinuate the same for mo. How practical and clever he was!! He even faked his sexual power to deceive Arabs for that reason too!!

Really, I admit, so much I came to know about him, my surprise never ceases.
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Archpagan
written by fineliving56 , November 17, 2012
The word Reed is referring to, ''Mathab'batun'' means '' fixed '' or '' stable '' and the reason it is In Quran because that word, was used, to show Ka'aba is a fixed house of allah for all Muslims to turn to it, in the 5 prayers and everyday's Dua'a .

Reed does know what he is talking about … There is clear order in Quran to pray to the '' Qubla '' in the direction of Ka'aba …and it is not true that Muslims could pray to any which direction they want .


Quran 2/144 to 149 .. talked about how and why the Muslims have to turn their head in the direction of the Masside al muha'ram ''the Sacred mosque'' in Ma'aca.

There is no doubt about that, when we read Aya 2/148 :

'' for each of you, is a direction to which they TURN [ IN PRAYER ] then strive together …

Then is 2/ 149 :

'' And where ever you start forth [ for prayer], turn your face in the direction of the Sacred Mosque that is indeed the truth from your Lord and Allah is not unmindful of what you do '' .

Any more prove need it, to prove Reed's constant need to come up with alien teachings to justify his own preferences that HE likes and by doing that, he contradict Quran and it's teachings.
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RWs version of Islam (man and his dog)
written by Infidel and More Proud , November 18, 2012
RW keeps floating his Islamic ideas but he is a man and his dog Muslim..

RW is the man and Malman is the dog who has now started realising Hadeeth are too slippery to justify so falls into RWs Quran only versions lap..

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re: Reed, Malem and others
written by Gnostic , November 18, 2012

So if you claim that quran is better and more reliable than hadith and other sources, then you explain to me the truth about Surah 7? Do you really believe that Allah turned jews into monkeys for not observing the sabbath?

And why not all muslims as well because no muslim ever observes the sabbath?

We all know that brids can only fly with Allahs permission and we all are derived from clot that was sperm before gushed out from the backbone!

There is no really improvement if you slash the hadith and rely only on the quran!
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written by Joe Bloggs , November 18, 2012
Very interesting comparison between islam & hinduism.

The Indian historian P.N.Oak argues that the Kabaa was a shiva temple some 2,000 years ago (Saudi Arabia will not permit any archaeological digs).

Oak also argues that what we call "islamic architecture" was stolen from hindu culture. He says that thousands of hindu architects & builders were taken out of india as slaves. He has a book which takes apart the claim that the Taj Mahal was built by muslims. There are too many non-muslim elements & symbols for it to have been constructed by muslims (not to mention that there's no historical data to say that it was, and the historical stories around its construction do not make sense).

Incidentally, there is a book about the 1979 siege of Mecca, by Yaroslav Trofimov
www.amazon.co.uk/The-Siege-Mecca-Forgotten-Uprising/dp/0141034068
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Anand ' You are committing a cardinal mistake in your zeal.
written by kafir-infidel , November 18, 2012
Anand , It is a tremendous mistake by even any type of comparison between the eternal natural way ( Sanatana Dharma: or HINDU DHARMA ) and ISLAM. At the basic level they are diametrically opposite. SANATANA DHARMA is the science of spirituality. ISLAM is for demons, as it is cruel,evil,discriminatory, dogmatic, fascist, hate filled,vengeful and slavery, and violent killing. Not one thing is present in SANATANA DHARMA . You are doing a great disservice. Your exploanation is also wrong. In sanskrit , it is called MURTHI PUJA . It does not translate into idol worship. THe concept of Murthi puja is entirely different from idol worship. By comparing you are elevating blind faith , sex,slavery, fear,terror,force ,dogma that is real ISLAM .

There is no spirituality in ISLAM .period. If you apply same principles,values of sanatana dharma to ISLAM ( complete freedom,self realization, freedom from fear, terror,peace,love, equality, undogmatic, divinity in all creation, etc, ---- ISLAM will disappear in days !!! Finally let me tell you with 100% certainity. If you follow DHARMIC principles, values, philosophy , ethos, then you will never go wrong , at the end of your life, will never repent , quite blissful. Opposite is true for ISLAM. If you follow ISLAMIC tenets and commands and sunna of MO , You will never be a good human being . You will follow exactly MO , the monster , criminal ,thug sex maniac, slave owner and hate filled, bigot and killer. How can you be happy? How can you be a good person ?
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ISLAM is a terrible ,terrible religion .
written by kafir-infidel , November 18, 2012
That is the description islam( and MOHAMMADEN FOLLOWERS)
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written by jay shaun , November 18, 2012
Islam is the fastest-growing religion or fastest breeding religion
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The Hadis came after QQUURRAAN
written by kafir-infidel , November 18, 2012
at least as far as islamic account is considered - the sunna (HADIS) came after QQUURRAAN. This alone should be enough to say that Hais will have more credibility than QQUURRAAN. After all QQUURRAAN itself is a compilation , edited ,subtracted ,additions version by uthman - much later work. SO this alone proves that QQUURRAAN is not even the true or original copy( as moslems claim ) . so, how is QQUURRAAN is different from BIBLE ? in time line . After gaining knowledge about SIRA, HADIS and QQUURRAAN , one feels like vomiting !!! They are so ugly,cruel, evil and full of bigotry, ill will, fascist, racist, supremacist , sexist , instilling fear, terror and dogmatic !!! Everything is true , as stated here. MUBAHILA , the cursing tournament by MO !!!fear of the grave , terror instilled by ALLAH, hell fire !!! and the ALLAHS pimp actions by providing 72 HOORS !!! FATWAS, JIHADS, DHIMMI , JIJYA many many more !!!
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jay shaun
written by Kafirwala , November 18, 2012

Yes, you are right; Islam is the fastest breeding religion. You may also say, the fastest infesting and/or infecting religion too.
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written by Jye , November 18, 2012
Shirk is as shirk does.
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To fineliving 56
written by Archpagan , November 18, 2012
Reed says- 'Not always. I can pray facing any direction.'

But, if he does so in presence of a fellow Muslim, he is sure to lose his head. So, I feel he is telling lies.
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Kaba -1
written by Nitha Rajan , November 18, 2012
The Kaba temple which was misappropriated and captured by Muslims was originally an International Vedic Shrine. The ancient Vedic scripture Harihareswar Mahatmya mentions that Lord Vishnu’s footprints are consecrated in Mecca. An important clue to this fact is that Muslims call this holy precint Haram which is a deviation of the Sanskrit term Hariyam “Ekam Padam Gayayantu MAKKAYAANTU Dwitiyakam Tritiyam Sthapitam Divyam Muktyai Shuklasya Sannidhau”The allusion is to the Vamana incarnation of Lord Vishnu whose blessed feet were consecrated at three holy sites, namely Gaya, Mecca and Shukla Teertha. Worshipping such carved, holy foot impressions is a holy Vedic custom which convert Muslims are inadvertently perpetuating. But in doing this they delude themselves and mislead others that these foot-impressions which are on reverential display in several mosques and tombs around the world are in fact Muhammad’s own. There are several snags in this argument. Firstly worshipping a foot - impression amounts to idolatry and should therefore be taboo for
a true Muslim. Secondly Muhhamad disclaimed having performed any miracles. Therefore there can be no foot-impression of his on stone. Thirdly foot-impressions must always be in pairs like shoes. Yet in most of these shrines, it is usually a single footprint which suggests that Muhammad walked on only one foot. Another question that crops up is whether the foot-impression is of the same size and foot in all the shrines. The fact appears to be that when the Vedic Kaba shrine in Mecca was invaded by Muhammad, the pairs of foot impressions of Vedic
deities there were plundered and later traded to the gullible and devout as Muhammad’s own footprints for some favour, reward or personal gain by unscrupulous muslims. That is why they are single and not in pairs.The Black Stone which is the Shiv Emblem (also known as Sange Aswad which is a corrupted form of the Sanskrit word Sanghey Ashweta–meaning non-white stone) still survives in the Kaba as the central object of Islamic veneration. All other Vedic Idols could be found buried in the precincts or trampled underfoot in labyrinthine subterranean corridors if archaeological excavations are undertaken. The Black Stone has been badly mutilated, its carved base has disappeared and the stone itself is broken at seven places. It’s parts are now held together by a silver band studded with silver nails. It lies half buried in the South Eastern portion of the Kaba Wall. The term Kaba itself is a corruption of the Sanskrit word Gabha (Garbha + Graha) which means Sanctum.
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contradictions within Islam
written by hrolf , November 18, 2012
Good article. The whole Hajj ritual is blatant idolatry and directly contradicts the monotheism of the Quran.
Initially, Mohammed prayed in the direction of Jerusalem, because the religion he was fabricating was derived from local Jewish and heretical Christian sects. After failing to convert them his attitude towards Jews became very spiteful and he concentrated on drawing the predominantly pagan tribes to his side by incorporating their major idol into Islam. The existing pilgrim business was already an important source of revenue for the area and it was a face-saving way to justify switching from Jerusalem as a point of worship. Did I mention that it was also transparently shallow and hypocritical?
There is also something paradoxical about the way Islam deifies Mohammed, while insisting at the same time that he was in no way divine. They scoff at Christians (well actually they condemn them vehemently for being misguided), who believe in the divinity of Jesus, but the reverence they displace to Mohammed is a form of worship that goes far beyond what is due for his station. They have also made reverence for physical copies of the Quran into a form of idolatry.
The whole religion is riddled with contradictions that can never be resolved, because raising these questions results in death threats rather than discussion.
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gnostic
written by malem , November 19, 2012
Read surah 7 in its entirety and youll understad ir
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Jeez
written by abc , November 19, 2012
There are a lot of Hindus here talking about Islam with little it no knowledge!
Shouldn't you guys be in mourning over the death of bal thackeray!

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abc , you know fully that ISLAM is a lie, a hateful,murderous ,killing,criminal theology
written by kafir-infidel , November 19, 2012
abc , ISLAM is THE Terrible, Terrible religion . Mo was a monster, rapist, looter, slave owner, misogynist, bigot and blood thirsty profit profiteer. Dont follow that criminal , thug and liar and killer. Leave ISLAM and feel better. You help your coMOHAMMADENS MALEM and KOPE to lead the coup de tat.Dont die like moslems.
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Kaba-2
written by Nitha Rajan , November 19, 2012
In addition, in the inscriptions from Hajja and its neighborhood was found a votive vessel dedicated by members of two tribes called Rama and Somia. Rama and Soma are Vedic deities, Rama is of the Solar dynasty and Soma is of the Lunar Dynasty. The moon god was called by various names in pre-Islamic times , one of them was Allah.
Allah had 3 children, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and Manat. Al-Lat and Al-Uzza were both feminine deities. Alla is another name for the Hindu goddess Durga. It is obvious that the goddess Al-Lat was Alla (Durga) and Al-Uzza was Oorja (energy or life force also known as Shakti). Manat was none other than Somnath which is another name for Lord Shiva. name for Lord Shiva. One significant point to note that Soma in Sanskrit means Moon and Nath means Lord. Thus the Kaba itself was dedicated to the Moon God Somnath alias Shiv and the word Somnath was corrupted to Manat. The famous Black Stone is none other than the ShivLing of Makkeshwar alias Mecca. Lord
Shiva is always shown with a crescent Moon on his head and every Shiva temple is supposed to have a sacred water spring representing the Ganges. The Crescent Moon pinnacle of the Kaba and the Zamzam spring (actually Zamza from Ganga) are irrefutable testaments to the Vedic origins of the Kaba. Muslims from all over the world pay homage to this shrine. This shrine is actually the pedestal of Brahma. Notice that the word, Ibrahim is actually a corruption of the word, Brahma. The octogonal grill which is a Vedic design protects the holy footprints which represent the start of the creation nearly 2000 million years ago. Before it was captured by the Muslims it was an international shrine of the Vedic trinity. In fact the names of the holiest of Muslim cities Mecca and Medina come from the Sanskrit words Makha-Medini which means the land of Fire-Worship. Even the most ancient names of these 2 cities were Mahcorava- which came from Mahadeva (Lord Shiva) and Yathrabn – which came from Yatra-Sthan (place of pilgrimage).
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Kaba-3
written by Nitha Rajan , November 19, 2012
Islam came into being about 1372 years ago. It is well known that over 7500 years ago, at the time of the Mahabharat War, Kurus ruled the world. The scions of that family administered the different regions. Prophet Muhammed himself and his family were adherents of Vedic culture. The Encyclopedia Islamia admits as much when it says: “Muhammed’s grandfather and uncles were hereditary priests of the Kaba temple which housed
360 idols!” According to Arab traditions, Muhammad is a title. We do not know what name his parents had
given him. We do however know that the central object of worship which survives at the Kaba today is a Shivling. That was allowed to remain there because that was the faceless family deity of Muhammad’s family. One of the original names of Lord Shiv is Mahadev (The Great God) therefore it is entirely possible Muhammad came from Mahadev. This appears fairly certain because the Arabs still have a Mahadevi sect. Moreover the title Mehdi of
a Muslim chief is also a malpronounciation of the term Mahadeva. According to Sanskrit etymology the term Muhammad implies ‘a person of great inspiration’-’Mahan Madah yasya assau Muhammadah’ In a hostile sense it also implies ‘a person of a proud and haughty temperament’. The Qurayshi tribe into which Mohammed was born wa particularly devoted to Allah and and the three children of the Moon God. Therefore when Muhammad decided to create his own Divine religion, he took innumerable aspects of the daily Vedic culture that surrounded him and corrupted them to suit his needs. It was with the advent of the Prophet and Islam that th death-knell of the glorious Arab culture was sounded. With Islam came the flood of destruction, murder, plunder and crime tha destroyed the great Vedic heritage of Arabs. The Prophet merely took some existing artefacts and terms and corrupted them so profoundly that no one would be able to discover their actual origins.
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written by Reed Wilson. , November 19, 2012
Archpagan/fineliving.

You have given verses

There is no doubt about that, when we read Aya 2/148 :

'' for each of you, is a direction to which they TURN [ IN PRAYER ] then strive together …

Then is 2/ 149 :

'' And where ever you start forth [ for prayer], turn your face in the direction of the Sacred Mosque that is indeed the truth from your Lord and Allah is not unmindful of what you do '' .


I will not doubt that you,fineliving, put 'for prayers' within brackets and I appreciate that you did not dissolve the brackets yourself. In the text we dont find FOR PRAYER.

وَمِنْ حَيْثُ خَرَجْتَ فَوَلِّ وَجْهَكَ شَطْرَ الْمَسْجِدِ الْحَرَامِ ۖ وَإِنَّهُ لَلْحَقُّ مِن رَّبِّكَ ۗ وَمَا اللَّـهُ بِغَافِلٍ عَمَّا تَعْمَلُونَ ﴿١٤٩﴾ وَمِنْ حَيْثُ خَرَجْتَ فَوَلِّ وَجْهَكَ شَطْرَ الْمَسْجِدِ الْحَرَامِ ۚ وَحَيْثُ مَا كُنتُمْ فَوَلُّوا وُجُوهَكُمْ شَطْرَهُ لِئَلَّا يَكُونَ لِلنَّاسِ عَلَيْكُمْ حُجَّةٌ إِلَّا الَّذِينَ ظَلَمُوا مِنْهُمْ فَلَا تَخْشَوْهُمْ وَاخْشَوْنِي وَلِأُتِمَّ نِعْمَتِي عَلَيْكُمْ وَلَعَلَّكُمْ تَهْتَدُونَ

You will not find prayer or salat in the above verses. Would you call it a translation Archpagan? You belong to legal profession. What punishment would you suggest to the one who did this in name of translation? That is why I said 'read yourself and not as the muslims do.

fineliving I am not even Syrian. I consult dictionary and the mistakes you point out are not mine. You can challenge dictionary. I remember a British boy who was telling his friends that the weather was chronic. A doctor had told him that the case of her mothers illness was chronic and he took it as bad.

Another friend of mine whose mother tongue was English thought for quite long that lassitude is the attitude of bewildered lasses.

I envy on you fineliving that you can make Arabic language.
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MuAmMad was having a bad gawd day!
written by Yibel , November 20, 2012
Quran Surah 7: The Heights or The Wall Between Heaven/An and Hell/Qur
How many a township have WE destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them. 4-5
Allah has made devils the protecting friends of disbelivers. 27
Disbelievers choose devils as protecting friends and believe they are rightly guided. 30
Only believers go to heaven. 32
Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire. 36
Entire nations have entered the Fire. Some get a double torment. 38
Disbelievers will be excluded from heaven. Theirs will be a bed of hell. 40-41
Those in the Fire will cry out to those in heaven, saying: “Pour water on us.” But Allah has forbidden that to disbelievers. 50
Those who deny Muhammad’s revelation are evil. 177

WE = Al-A'raf 7:180; Al-Jalil, The Majestic 7:143; Al-Waliy, The Friend, Patron and Helper 7:196; Al-Muhyiy, The Giver of Life, 7:158; Al-Mumit, The Destroyer, The Bringer of Death, 7:158; and Al-Muqsit, The Equitable, The Requiter, 7:29.
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written by Reed Wilson. , November 20, 2012
Gnostic. You write "Reed, I was referring and will always refer to the Real Existing Islam and not to Reed Wilson Islam."

Islam means submission to God. Those who follow God's message are submitting to God and are Muslims. Muslims can be found among Christians, Jews, Hindus. Zoroastrians etc subject to the condition that they submit to God through his message they have.

َقَالَتِ الْيَهُودُ لَيْسَتِ النَّصَارَىٰ عَلَىٰ شَيْءٍ وَقَالَتِ النَّصَارَىٰ لَيْسَتِ الْيَهُودُ عَلَىٰ شَيْءٍ وَهُمْ يَتْلُونَ الْكِتَابَ ۗ كَذَٰلِكَ قَالَ الَّذِينَ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ مِثْلَ قَوْلِهِمْ ۚ فَاللَّـهُ يَحْكُمُ بَيْنَهُمْ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ فِيمَا كَانُوا فِيهِ يَخْتَلِفُون

"And the Jews say: The Christians do not follow anything (good) and the Christians say: The Jews do not follow anything (good). Ironically they both recite the Book. Even thus say those who have no knowledge, like to what they say; so Allah shall judge between them on the day of resurrection in what they differ. 2:113.

The companions of Jesus Christ and the magicians or scholars of Pharaoh's court are also categorized as muslims in Quran.

What is the 'real existing Islam' which you refer and shall keep on referring?





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Kaffir infidel
written by abc , November 21, 2012
Death pays us all a visit one day, no exemption there my friend!
The six million dollar question is "are you ready for it when it does come?"
and what have you left behind.
I suggest you think long and hard about that instead of mouthing off!
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According to RW
written by Infidel and More Proud , November 21, 2012
Pigs are muslims.
Dogs are muslims.
Snakes are muslims.
All beings on earth are muslims.
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Infidel
written by Malem , November 21, 2012
You are proving my case. When you encounter any response to rebut what you state, you run home and cry names, like a 5 year old. You are the reason why no one takes westerners seriously anymore, your spoiled children and cannot face that your country is in 4th place...watch it whittle away lad, whilst Islam grows each day there, with your governments help and there is nothing you can do about it....except join!
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Grow day by day
written by Infidel and More Proud , November 21, 2012
Cancer grows day by day.
Flies grow on crap day by day.
But does it make Islam any better.
Malam you are learned and rational. At least you should not stoop to the level of Kopey in copying growth.
Please explain the following
49:7
And know that among you is the Messenger of Allah . If he were to obey you in much of the matter, you would be in difficulty, but Allah has endeared to you the faith and has made it pleasing in your hearts and has made hateful to you disbelief, defiance and disobedience. Those are the [rightly] guided.
Was mohamed alive at the time of penning of this verse?
Why Allah is saying Mohhed is there when he is not?
What if someone does not want a third party contact with Allah (instead using Mohamed as telephone or moblie).
Doesnt this prove Quran is expired and past its use by date.
Why does one have to remember and recall Mohammed when you muslims claim oneness of Allah and God but always bring in messanger as if Muslims cannot keep contact with Allah directly.
Allah is omnipresent yet every time Mohamed pops in
It seems by sharing attributes with Allah Mohamed is causing shirk for he is human.
If he is not human then how can there be one Allah it makes Allah and other equivalent to Allah? Makes two of same stature isnt it?
Islam grow or not but this proof of Quran verse goes against one-ness of Allah
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Reed Wilson
written by Duke Indian , November 21, 2012

You were always against appendages in brackets when some verse from Quran is quoted. Yet, you quote 2:113 as follows.

"And the Jews say: The Christians do not follow anything (good) and the Christians say: The Jews do not follow anything (good). Ironically they both recite the Book. Even thus say those who have no knowledge, like to what they say; so Allah shall judge between them on the day of resurrection in what they differ. 2:113.

What is your rationale?

Another thing: is the statement in this ayat correct? Do really jews and christians say like that? A section of them may, perhaps, say like that. Is taking a section of peoples' opinion and generalise it a good quality of god? Is settling the differences between jews and christians, if at all there is, Allah's job on the resurrection day?
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infidel
written by malem , November 21, 2012
You have proven in your recent posts that you sink to the lowest of all, by attacking my children. So my little friend it is not for me to explain somthing to you, that you don't have the inteligence or maturity to understand.
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yogi raj
written by yogi , November 21, 2012
Please post the name of weed you are smoking.
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@ abc
written by This is Rami Rustom , November 21, 2012
> Death pays us all a visit one day, no exemption there my friend! The six million dollar question is "are you ready for it when it does come?"

Its interesting that you say "when it does come". Its clear that you think death should not be by one's own hand. But why? Why should people be irresponsible about the last part of their lives?

If someone is 95 yo., and he just broke his back, and he's in major pain, and the pain killers aren't enough to stop the pain, and two physicians says that there is little chance that back surgery will stop the pain, this person should consider suicide as a means to end his suffering. He should not wait until nature kills him.
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ISLAM prevents a moslem from thinking , using his/her brain .
written by kafir-infidel , November 21, 2012
True followers of Mo and hard core jihadists (islamists ) on this forum.
Death visists everybody - This fact was/is known before ISLAM ever came into existence, much ,much before ! hundreds and thousands of years before . Or is IT ISLAMIC ALLAH s discovery !!! efore ISLAM/MO people thought about ,developed and debated amazingly noble philosophies !! which by the way , the ISLAMIC tormentors and torturers dont know and even dont understand . It is all beyond their capacity. very recently , this monster thug Mo came along and not only destroyed all critical thinking and enquiry , but trampled human societies and human values, human rights and declared himself profit profiteer and enforced his dictates , the most darkest theologial sewage man has known. Mo through his ALLAH injected this fear of grave and fear of hell in humans in order to subjugate all population wholesale way . Now people have to be tormented and terrorized in the name of judgement day and hell fire !!!! And to avoid this nonsense people have to be in submission to MO/ALLAH . Hurray the profit can redeem you. if you do all what he dictates and can recommend ( intercede ) to ALLAH to let you go into heaven to enjoy your Houris with permanent erection and with permanent copulation mode and along with all wine and cushioned beds with water gushing under !!!! Now all your sins have gone , your murders, your lust, your lies, your curses, your loot of kafirs, your rape and taking slaves, your terrorizing unbelievers ,your hatred, your ill will , your bigotry , ( all characters of moslems) are annulled and wiped clean by ALLAH and his boss MO !!!! But MO/ALLAH objected to sex and wine in this world but supplied plenty eternally hereafter .pimps ALLAH /MO are such kind merciful Gods !!!! Do any unbelievers know all of this - which is given by MO/ALLAH !!!! They are kafirs/infidels and will burn in hell fire eternally and ALLAH will enjoy seeing them burning, because he creates new skin, again, burn it , new skin again ,burn it , new skin -burn it again !!! what a GOD ISLAMIC ALLAH is !!! WHat a propit MO was . MO is awaiting for you .
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Malman
written by infidel and More Proud , November 21, 2012
Malman if you will fire missiles sitting at your home , your home is in line of fire.
Why do you snivel whinge and whine after bringing your family as examples on this site.
Dont enter the kitchen if the heat is too much.
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Isalam is growing Malmans version
written by infidel and More Proud , November 21, 2012
It seems muslims are dying like flies in
Afganistan
Syria
Gaza

If they are not dying why cry. Does Islam grow when muslims die.
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written by Reed Wilson. , November 21, 2012
xyz. You write "WHY PROPHET OF ISLAM, MUHAMMAD RESPECTED, HONORED AND KISSED A PARTICULAR STONE??

Did he?
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Jews and Christians can be Muslims.
written by Reed Wilson. , November 21, 2012
Duke Indian. You write "You were always against appendages in brackets when some verse from Quran is quoted. Yet, you quote 2:113 as follows."

Leave Reed. Is it right thing to use brackets in translations? What is in parenthesis is not from the author.

I gave a readymade translation. Did not remove brackets. They should not be there.

You are asking "Another thing: is the statement in this ayat correct? Do really Jews and Christians say like that?

I think it is correct. Had Jews thought Christians were on right path they were no more Jews and vice versa. It emphasizes that the books carry same message and there should not be different denominations and brands as religion.

My opinion should not be last word. You think for yourself.



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written by Reed Wilson. , November 21, 2012
Infidel and More Proud. You write "According to RW, Pigs are muslims.
Dogs are muslims. Snakes are muslims.
All beings on earth are muslims."

You are so intelligent الْحَمْدُ لِلَّـهِ رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ This is not according to RW, it is according to Quran.
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I am scared
written by Infidel and More Proud , November 21, 2012
What will happen to dogs and pigs when planet earth is taken over by Muslims?
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Infidel
written by Malem , November 21, 2012
Dont worry mate, your family and friends will be fine.
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Malem
written by Kaser , November 21, 2012
Really?

We'll be fine like the non-Muslims in Nigeria?
We'll be fine like the non-Muslims in Mali?
We'll be fine like christians in Pakistan?
We'll be fine like the women and girls in Afghanistan (and Pakistan?)

I'm relieved Malem, really relieved.

As for your "dogs and pigs" insinuation, you just could not resist hey?
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Kaser
written by Malem , November 21, 2012
What do you mean lad? I was merely saying that you and your friends would be fine when the word is take over by Islam. What do you mean by insuation ;)
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Reed
written by Duke Indian , November 21, 2012

You agree that the bracketed words are not needed.

Ok. Let us take your translation of 2:113 without brackets now.

"And the Jews say: The Christians do not follow anything and the Christians say: The Jews do not follow anything . Ironically they both recite the Book. Even thus say those who have no knowledge, like to what they say; so Allah shall judge between them on the day of resurrection in what they differ. "

'And the Jews say: The Christians do not follow anything and the Christians say: The Jews do not follow anything.' What nonsense is this? No jews will say that christians do not follow anything and no christians will say that the jews do not follow anything. Both follow their own beliefs, traditions etc. etc. Even a child knows it. Not only it is a blatant lie it is foolish too. Only a fool of Allah's stature will say such nonsense.
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Malem
written by Kaser , November 22, 2012
Figure it out for yourself old man.
I think you can muster enough cognitive functions for that at least.
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Kaser
written by Malem , November 22, 2012
Insuations are pretty darn funny aren they not :)
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Malem
written by Kaser , November 22, 2012
Humor is a sign of intelligence indeed!
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KASAB , the PAKI monster follower of MO / ISLAMIST/jihadist , finally was hanged for his crimes
written by kafir-infidel , November 22, 2012
The hapless and spineless INDIAN Govt finally, under extremely unavoidable circumstances gave in to hang the KASAB , the paki criminal and terrorist, follower of MO , - for his terrorist attacks and killings of more than 170 innocent people in MUMBAI , INDIA , in 2008. The INDIAN congress govt is the appeaser and submissive to ISLAMIC terrorists and for garnering votes , congress Govt has become antinational and made it a point to persecute HINDUS in INDIA so that Moslems will have free hand to attack HINDUS !!! ISLAMISTS attack in INDIA is very common and a routine , but the Govt is more interested in to serve moslem interests and their jihadist activities . In order to know all of this one should have a complete understanding of indian politics , to see how savage the INDIAN govt has become . They cannot even protect TASLIMA NAZREEN , the bengali writer !
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Take it like this.
written by Reed Wilson. , November 22, 2012
Duke Indian. You write "Ok. Let us take your translation of 2:113 without brackets now."

No Duke. Dont take it like that. That is translation with translators possible mistakes. Take it like this:

سورة البقرة
وَقَالَتِ الْيَهُودُ لَيْسَتِ النَّصَارَىٰ عَلَىٰ شَيْءٍ وَقَالَتِ النَّصَارَىٰ لَيْسَتِ الْيَهُودُ عَلَىٰ شَيْءٍ وَهُمْ يَتْلُونَ الْكِتَابَ ۗ كَذَٰلِكَ قَالَ الَّذِينَ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ مِثْلَ قَوْلِهِمْ ۚ فَاللَّـهُ يَحْكُمُ بَيْنَهُمْ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ فِيمَا كَانُوا فِيهِ يَخْتَلِفُونَ

You have to find out only لَيْسَتِ الْيَهُودُ عَلَىٰ شَيْءٍ As you know لْيَهُودُ already, you will find عَلَىٰ شَيْءٍ only. Simple!!


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Reed Wilson
written by Duke Indian , November 22, 2012

You must understand that I don't know Arabic. What is the use of quoting Arabic to me without its translation in English? It is Greek to me. If you want me to understand, use Englsh or at least Hindi. Your use of any other language would be simply blabberings for me. May be it is your yet another trick to wriggle out of an unpleasant situation.
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The Article
written by Aisha , November 23, 2012
The Black Stone: It is not the hand of God or seen as God. Its just a stone at the end of the day. The muslims kiss it because the Prophet kissed it, there is a hadith by Umar ra that he only kisses it because the Prophet did otherwise he gives it no importance. Also the Kabah not the Black Stone is used as a point of direction when praying. It is to unite everyone and to face one direction so that there is no confusion as to where to face when praying. You got that wrong. The hill that the muslims go on is to commemorate Hajra the wife of Ibrahim. It is following in her footsteps. The sacrifice is also following the actions of Ibrahim. Most of the Hajj is following in the footsteps and recognising the lessons of Ibrahim. The three stones are said to be the places where the devil stood when he tried to stop Ibrahim from following out Gods Commandment. Ibrahim threw stones at him. It is this action which is copied, the muslims are turning away from the Devil and reinforcing their faith in God. Zamzam is reported to be the stream which God revealed to Hajra and Ismail when they could find no water. Going around the Kabah 7 times: you make a circle, a circle has no beginning or end; this is declaring that you believe God is ONE and he has no beginning or end ie he was not born and has no offspring.
I'm sorry but this whole article has not even looked into the actual facts of the Hajj pilgrimage. It has made up its own ideas about why the muslims do what they do when the reasoning is based on actions of the Prophet Ibrahim, who is greatly respected and whose story has great lessons of Faith and Patience to be learnt from it. Idolism is not anywhere in Hajj. I suggest you ask a MUSLIM why they do the pilgrimage and not make up parallels which you have drawn yourself. Peace to all. Good day.
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Islam Prevents A Muslim From Thinking
written by Aisha , November 23, 2012
No actually. Lack of education, lack of knowledge of their own religion prevents muslims from thinking. This applies to everyone though not just muslims. Lack of knowledge made this article, the facts were not checked.
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Facts ... Aisha
written by Mohamed , November 23, 2012
Which facts were not checked in writing this article Aisha my beloved...
Please point out in detail.
Does not the stone look like bagina..
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written by vbv , November 23, 2012
If islam does not believe in idols , why do they bow to the piece of rock housed in the kaaba? They should smash that piece of rock to smithereens and use it for tarmacking road somewhere. They should also demolish the kaaba down and address their prayers skyward : after all , their spook Allah is a skyspook , living in the clouds somwewhere. Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
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vbv totally agree
written by Infidel and More Proud , November 23, 2012
As per Quran he lives in 7th heaven !
And the problem is unless his,her,its shape is empty sphere how can a muslim pray even by bending neck 90 degrees towards sky.
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Ignorant.
written by Reed Wilson. , November 24, 2012
Duke Indian. You write "You must understand that I don't know Arabic. What is the use of quoting Arabic to me without its translation in English?

You must understand that quite many others read our posts and comment also. My posts particularly receive extraordinarily more attention. Have you read duh_swami's analysis and Archpagans comments on my posts?

You know fineliving is fielding precisely and she is very suspicious. When I quote translations, she thinks I have sugarcoated them. It is safer to give text which none can make.

You can always ignore Arabic. Ignorant is the one who ignores.
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Islamic Anti-Idolism
written by Gnostic , November 24, 2012
It is some kind of shirkophobia that lets muslims destroy pictures, icons and monuments without thinking. They have no idea about arts and its value because this is extremely restricted in islam.

In general muslims have difficulties to understand others while they always complain that others cannot understand them. But this wrong. I a few years since 9/11 many westerners have studied islam while their opinion about islam turned from neutral to very negative. Muslims like to point to the few converts but in real islam is losing mindshare extremely fast.

I know that many people do not go to islamic-oriental restaurants any more and many of them were already closed.
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Hajj or idolatry.
written by Reed Wilson. , November 24, 2012
hrolf.You write "The whole Hajj ritual is blatant idolatry and directly contradicts the monotheism of the Quran."

You are absolutely right hrolf.

You write "Initially, Mohammed prayed in the direction of Jerusalem, because the religion he was fabricating was derived from local Jewish and heretical Christian sects. After failing to convert them his attitude towards Jews became very spiteful and he concentrated on drawing the predominantly pagan tribes to his side by incorporating their major idol into Islam."

I dont know what is the basis of your above claims. We dont have reliable history of those days. Is that what you think?

You write "There is also something paradoxical about the way Islam deifies Mohammed, while insisting at the same time that he was in no way divine. They scoff at Christians (well actually they condemn them vehemently for being misguided), who believe in the divinity of Jesus, but the reverence they displace to Mohammed is a form of worship that goes far beyond what is due for his station. They have also made reverence for physical copies of the Quran into a form of idolatry."

You seem quite close to fact. You have used pronoun 'they' without giving noun at any stage. Please tell me who 'they'?

You write "The whole religion is riddled with contradictions that can never be resolved, because raising these questions results in death threats rather than discussion."

You are absolutely right. Muslims are virtually following hadis which contradicts Quran. The religion or Islam has no contradiction. Nullification is product of contradiction. Islam is already there and we discuss it here.

You are justified in your observations. All religions are made mess and God's message is relegated to secondary position.
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Deadlier than review.
written by Reed Wilson. , November 24, 2012
hrolf. I appreciate your post. I have discussed it with a bit detail which qualifies for a review. I will appear soon after the review.
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written by Reed Wilson. , November 24, 2012
My mistake. Please read as

It will appear soon after the review.

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