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About Mehdi Hassan's 'Is Islam a Religion of Peace?' Debate at Oxford

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I could not help writing this about a fellow named Mehdi Hassan. He is a blogger, an Al Jazeera journalist, and frequent guest in major media outlets, such as the BBC. Recently after the murder of British soldier Drummer Rigby on a London street by Jihadists, there was debate, hosted by Oxford Union, on the topic, “Is Islam a Religion of Peace?” Mehdi Hassan was one of the participants in favor of Islam.

Oxford being one of the finest institutions in the world, one would expect debate based on concrete proof, reliable material with substance and presentation being more sophisticated. When it comes to discussing Islam, it cannot stay sophisticated. That is what I found out from the Oxford Union debate. One cannot present his or her opinion of Islam without bringing up Islam’s bloody history since its inception as well as what Islam and Islam’s followers have been doing throughout the world up until now. Obviously when truth is spoken, followers of Islam are offended and unexpectedly even the most highly educated and sophisticated ones like Mehdi Hassan.

At one point during his presentation, Mehdi Hasan cited a point about the founding of algebra or bringing algebra to Europe. He demanded that Muslims and Islam somehow have to be credited for it. This is where I cannot stop laughing. And every time I do that, I say to myself why don’t. I write this down before I forget.

Apparently 0 (zero) was founded by a Hindu pundit in ancient India named Aryabhata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryabhata) around 500 years before birth of Christ. Zero decimal based numbering system was developed then in ancient India. Aryabhatta was a scholar in mathematics including trigonometry, algebra as well as in astronomy. Simultaneously and within few centuries, Greeks in Europe had developed sophisticated mathematical system, where further advancement of mathematical equations, trigonometry, algebra, and astronomy around 4-5 hundred years before Christ’s birth.

Islam came into the picture 600 plus years “after” Christ’s birth. If all these sophisticated developments in mathematical science have already taken place centuries before the birth of Christ in ancient India and in ancient Europe (Greece), then where does Islam come into the picture? Is this not utterly laughable? Even if let’s say Arabs practiced numbering system and mathematical formulas at that time (between time of Aryabhata, which is 500 BC and the time of Greeks during 500-400 BC). In that case, those Arabs would possibly have been of Pagan, Zoroastrian or Jewish religion. Muhammad brought Islam in 7th century, 1100 years after the development of sophisticated numbering system and mathematical science. Therefore, claiming that Islam or Muslims have deserve exclusive credit for the founding of mathematics is preposterous.

I can guess where the source of this kind of propaganda is. Islamic clerics, who are mostly madrassa educated or half-educated, have been claiming things like these just like their ridiculous baseless claims of science in the Quran. These clerics are frog of the pond. So, it is understandable of them, given their limited perimeter of knowledge. However, for someone like Mehdi Hassan, a top Oxford graduate, resonating the same baseless claims as do uneducated or half-educated Muslim clerics, especially in a debate in Oxford, is nothing less than laughable.

The claim that Muslims or Islam deserve every credit with the development of algebra or mathematics or even bringing it to Europe is absolutely baseless because Islam and Muslims did not “exist” at the time when mathematics was founded, developed and already advanced in ancient India and in good old Europe (in Greece). All that Muslims can claim is that these branches of sciences and mathematics were further advanced in the vast Islam-occupied world.

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Oh man!
written by ........ , August 15, 2013
Mehdi laid the smack down and the phobes are still licking the wounds.
Get over it Jean! Maybe you can send Douglass Murray next time!

Outstanding work Mehdi!
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P.s
written by ........ , August 15, 2013
Mehdi is the editor of the Huffington post (uk) edition.
You can contact him and read more of his thoughts and work.
Should make a change from your normal Fox News viewing !
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Algebra can't relpace a good woman,
written by Ming the Merciless , August 15, 2013
Well, if you believe Adam and Eve were Muslims, that makes Muslims responsible for every gain and failure ever since. It was very early Muslims who discovered and used fire. It was these same Muslims who discovered that a club, under most conditions was a better weapon than a rock, a spear even better. Early Muslims also discover that women from other Muslim camps were desirous. So they raided and carried them off. When treasure and valuables were invented, Muslims raided and killed for those, and the women. Some later Muslims were talented so they built some really attractive buildings. But they never stopped raiding for women and treasure.
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abc califaftate (Egypt) is flushed down the toilet
written by Infidel and MP , August 15, 2013
The califartate toilet flushed down 5000 musallis in Egypt.

Abc your bros are in trouble go for some religion of bomb in peace Jihad
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doted ABC
written by 1proudkaffur4life , August 15, 2013
And how exactly does your funny remarks disprove the assertion:

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The claim that Muslims or Islam deserve every credit with the development of algebra or mathematics or even bringing it to Europe is absolutely baseless because Islam and Muslims did not “exist” at the time when mathematics was founded, developed and already advanced in ancient India and in good old Europe (in Greece). All that Muslims can claim is that these branches of sciences and mathematics were further advanced in the vast Islam-occupied world.

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And if this Mehdi DUDE is really that SMART why the hell is he still DEFENDING a FOOLISH religion? All he can proof is that he found a way to hide his BLIND FAITH, behind a smoke-screen! Who knows if HE might know where the the wall build by the Islamic Alexander the great is located!
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written by Ming the Merciless , August 15, 2013
Here's the source of the mystery. The Quran is very word of the living god Allah, his words are clear and easy to understand, so why is there anything to debate about? Everyone who reads it should become an instant ayatollah. But that seems to very rare. There may be a few exceptions like Mr Reed who posts here. So what is the need for scholars when even the uneducated and unwashed can understand it completely? Could this Mahdi person win in a debate with Mr Reed? On Mongo no one debates this nonsence. Instead people enjoy themselves eating watermelon while watching reruns of the 'I Love Lucy Show'...
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Infidel and MP
written by Fine , August 15, 2013
'' Abc your bros are in trouble go for some religion of bomb in peace Jihad''

He does not do that ..he is not of those Muslims, he is one of other Muslims who are too coward to be true Muslims , they wait of the others to make Jihad, they just go around and li6 all over the place right to our faces, while they cheer in private .

Nice formula .. sort off …like, good cop, bad cop, police tactic .
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cybyer jihadists
written by 1proudkaffur4life , August 15, 2013
like dotted ABC (who BTW confirmed that is him hiding behind the DOTS) remind me on this:

a "moderate" Muslim is one who will tell you that your head shall be chopped off because you insulted a dead person in a language he (the dead profeet) could not understand, using a means (like the Internet ) he was not familiar with,

while a fundamentalist Muslim without giving any explanation will draw his sword, meat-cleaver or AK 47 riffle and kill you.
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Killers & liars
written by No submission , August 15, 2013
Pious muslims are killers and liars. They kill and lie for Islam. Mehdi Hassan is no exception.
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written by No submission , August 15, 2013
Mehdi Hassan is a liar.
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written by No submission , August 15, 2013
Mehdi Hassan is a liar.
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Few facts
written by Just A Reader , August 15, 2013
Being a Hindu if someone says Hindus did so many things can make me feel proud but truth is truth. And here it is. Hindus were good in Mathematics, medicine (immunization was Indian discovery), good thinkers (philosophers) and their philosophy still wonders great scientists around the world, good in metallurgy and probably many more things. But probably Arabs never claimed that number system is their discovery, at least AlBeruni's history never claims to be so. Those days traders used to contribute a lot in transfer of knowledge (Brahmi script was brought to India by Indian traders from Mesopotamia, I think Mesopotamia). Similarly Arab traders used to transfer Indian knowledge across other countries and used to call it is Hindu Mathematics and through them we got a first hand idea of Greek people's scientific advancements. But before our decimal system, Babylonia came up with 60 based numbering system and they were very accurate in decimal calculation (which Egyptians were not) and this was much much before Islam. Al-Khwarizmin was a Persian mathematician and not Arab, who is credited for algorithm, the step by step method of solving complex business problem and is known to all computer programmers. That decimal system was Arab invention (and not Indian) was propagated by British to show to the world that India was a dark country with no civilization. I do not like Muslim's idea of world domination and intolerance to other religions but truth is truth. There is an excellent book called "taming the infinite", it is very interesting and gives a detailed account of all those things and very nice to read, of course.
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written by anonymous , August 15, 2013
This is pure propaganda. These people cannot stand facts and cannot debate. Arabs/muslims are trying to claim as their own, the achievements of ancient hindu/indian mathematicians who first came of with concept of zero (shunya in sanskrit) besides many other achievements in mathematics, astronomy, medicine, etc. If you see great intellectual spiritual debates you can find quotes from hinduism, budhdhism, zen, confucious, judaism, and christinity. You will not find any reference to islam. Sufism which islamists claim as their own pre-dates islam and it is not compatible with true islam.
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Islam on TV
written by Agnostic , August 16, 2013
There are many islamists and so-called moderate muslims appearing on TV these days trying to defend their respective positions. In fact this is a fight between fundamentalists and realists, between the majority of votes against the majority of money. Either side is claiming that their islam is better but they world is watching it and realizing that any islam is wrong.

Islam is the problem and not the solution!
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You should see the propaganda I see or heard everyday in social medias from Muslims ..amazing
written by Fine , August 16, 2013
One absurd one is about the number 7 in Islam and how it is a miracle of miracle .!!

One women posted a list, of how it is amazing, how so many things came in 7th number count,

Most of them are pure stupidity but the one that take the prize of the most stupid is :

Women monthly flux is 7 days … hahaha

I have never met a women who had exactly 7 day of flux .. 6 or 5 or 9 or even 3 and yes 7 … but is never the rule … that is just a number ..lol

What is amazing is, non of these Muslims, thought about how number 7 came way back before Muhammad was a thought or a blood clot ..right ?

What makes them think, it was a miracle while there is very good reason, to think that Muhammad designed the whole thing by picked number 7 to MATCH all the other things that is already in place and numbered in 7 count .like 7 days and others .

It is after the fact not before it !! ?

But do not tell THAT to any Muslim please … that required some thinking, and it is a …. NO … NO ..

After all Quran told us to not ask question …lol




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monthly thing
written by Infidel and MP , August 16, 2013
This is indeed a miracle.
On one side it is said to be a curse which makes her unclean.

Yet it is said to be a miracle.

What an oxymoron
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written by kope , August 16, 2013
The ONLY REASON evil white people supporting Syrian rebels because they want to BREAK the friendship between "Hazbollah” and EVIL Bashar al-Assad and Iran for israel

If Syrian rebels take over Syria than Syrian rebels will not support Iran nor Hasbullah if Israel attact Iran or Lebanon

It will be easy for Evil white race to bomb Iran if evil race break Iran's friendship with Syria

Do you see plan of evil white race?

Evil white race put six millions jews in gas chamber not muslims

SOON, IN COMING CIVIL WAR IN THE WEST, EVIL WHITE RACE WILL PUT JEWS IN GAS CHAMBER " AGAIN" not muslims

If any race of people who have A WILL to put human being in gas chamber or nuke a city filled with civilions that would be Demonic white race

Evil white people dont want peace between jews and arabs, evil white people are NOT friends of jews

Evil white race use jews to fight muslims / islam

The VICTIMS of Evil white race

slaughter native american indian and destroyed their religion

slaughter australian aboriginal and steal their land

enslaved black african people and steal their resurces

nuked civilians city nagasaki and hiroshima

white animals race killed 5 millions vietnamese

lied about WMD and killed million iraqi

Demonic white people can kill million human without feeling any guilt

Evil white race are REAL TERRORISTS, remember COLD WAR between two white demon ? that real terrorised human

this two white demon will terrorise "AGAIN"

White demon stop terrorising human with your DRONE

christianity made white people into animals, christianity teaches that their god died for their crime so they dont have to pay for their evil act

Evil white race spreading pornographe destroying human civilization

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written by Fine , August 16, 2013
Monthly thing is najas unless when to prove a miracle for islam then it is not nahas

You said it mp … oxymoron of Islam brand
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Muslim men FEAR women and that is why they hold them back
written by Fine , August 16, 2013
'We don't want catwalk models here!' The woman who was barred from office in Iran for being too beautiful

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...z2c6Ces4L5

it is amazing to me how beauty advance women in the land of west where it is not feared but appreciated but it hold women back in the land where they fear it ,

Strang world we live in ..

I want to go Planet Mongo !!??


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Korpsi
written by Infidel and MP , August 16, 2013
Korpsi (decaying at that)

Remember the massacre of Banu Qurayza ?

What was happening there?

Were any whites involved?

Islam will only when it lasts. If no Islam no win. Korpsi go to Jihad in Egypt and take aki with you too. Your brothers of musli brotherhood are in peril. They need you. And you can add stuff from the sexual Jihad of your mamas and sis on-going in the camps.
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Kope
written by Worldpeace , August 16, 2013
Kope, your attempt to distort history will not succeed. many more millions white people died in ww2 in order to bring peace to the world clutched by demons personified by hitler (another name for muhaamad). there is time for everything. there is time for war (islam, since its inception, is at war with everything including itself) and there will be time for world peace when islam is vanquished.
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written by ........ , August 16, 2013
"And you can add stuff from the sexual Jihad of your mamas and sis on-going in the camps"

Stay classy!

I bet you don't have the balls to say that to someone's face!!!
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error
written by Aryabhatta REBORN , August 16, 2013
I would like to point out that Aryabhatta lived 500 years after christ not before christ. Please correct the mistake.
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abc and Korpsi and sexual Jihad
written by Infidel and MP , August 16, 2013
http://english.alarabiya.net/e...port-.html

Abc here is the slap on your face. Now you know better if it is your mama sis or both.

Hows the class?
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If Islam allows it, then prostitution [ payment in Jihad ] is allowed
written by Fine , August 17, 2013
In fact, every immoral act there is, If Imams gives fatwas to allow it , it becomes Moral … DISGUUUUUUUUUUSTING .

“Sexual Jihad” refers to the idea of the female Islamists offering their sexual services to their male counterparts so they remain motivated to continue the struggle for their cause.

The other day, the International Syrian TV channels [ under the control of Assad ] made an interview with Syrian Muslim women, who has been making '' sexual Jihad '' to help with motivating the sex - hungry thugs Muslim men who otherwise would not want to make the Jihad [ they will dream about sex in Jannah with the other young girls with big breasts ]

The teen was 17 years old and she said that, so far THAT DAY , she '' slept with 6 men already '' and she is explaining, how she tried and feels bad and how she wantS to stop and she wanted to know if she is allowed to stop and go home [ no home left all died '']

I heard this and it only confirmed my resolve that, Morals have absolutely NOTHING TO DO with Islam .. that Islam might have some good parts, but they were ONLY ADDED just for fack it and show , Islam was a real religion

It confirmed to me that Islam was and still is pure Evil, wolf in the skin of sheep, put out there, for greedy men by men for men .

I thought this Muslim women of how she gave her self this cheap way , but it is AmazZzzzzzzing to me

HOW :

Muslim women get honor killed because they make LOVE OR have SEX outside of marriage RAPED, but , on the other hand, Muslims women ...get cheered and cherished, when they have sex for the greater good [ sexal Jihad for advancement of Islam

Muslim women are just a toy in the Hands of ISLAM , MUHAMMAD , ALLAH , IMAMS … and all their helpers .. all the malamabckopeazizabd Muslims

Islam will be obliterated … Muslims just sit back and watch ??!!

Sexual Jihad … Masha alllllllllllllllllllllah … [ excuse me I need to go and throw up ]
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Mp
written by Fine , August 17, 2013
My post to you, has been taken away again … it is becoming too often !!

Do you think the Jinn is taking my posts … Allah must not be not happy !!
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written by ........ , August 17, 2013
"A fatwa (religious edict) apparently permitting ‘sexual jihad’ appeared on a Facebook page reportedly affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood (MB), but some have dismissed it as a parody"

That's the first paragraph!
Some shit appears on face book page "reportedly" affiliated with MB.

Stay classy!

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It s not parody" … not parody" .. not parody"
written by Fine , August 17, 2013
My post that gone was telling about just that

The international Syrian TV aired an interfue with a 17 years old who was duped to have sex for Jihad to motivate Muslim men to DO jihad .. she talked about, how she had sex with 6 men that day and she was tired of it and want to go home "

So look again .. you are trying to li6 again to save Islam without checking your facts ..

So .. please go away!! ..annoying man!! ..

Muslim teens being used as toilet to strange man and sitting there acting like .'' .it is all an act ''

WOW
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Banning Allah every day in every way
written by Ming the Merciless , August 17, 2013
From the Throne of Emperor Ming the Merciless.

'The Ministry of Peace wages war'. How can Islam claim it is peaceful when it's jihadists are attacking and killing Christians and others all over the planet? Jihadi's are killing someone, somewhere, every day of the week. No country with any Islamic population is exempt from the 'Peace of Islam'. We had the same problems on Mongo until we banned Allah and burned all Qurans. This was like taking 500 pounds off the backs of the people. They could finally stand up straight. Since then every day is a celebration of freedom, complete with bells ringing and fireworks. The Mongo people are stable. productive, and happy. Mongo is a role model for Earth people.
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written by ........ , August 17, 2013
Oh wait

"The international Syrian TV aired it"

So it must be true then. Why didn't you say!
I mean bashars state tv is known as a source of truth.

You really are an Imbecile with a keyboard!

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written by ........ , August 17, 2013
Feb 1982, 40,000 people killed in Hama Syria.
Massacre carried out by Hafez al Assad.
Did your mother not volunteer for sexual jihad?
Since its a common Syrian practice!

You disgust me!
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Mehdi Hassan
written by Nodhimmi , August 17, 2013
Overeducated buffoon; believes in the literal 'truth' of Buraq, the magic horse with gossamer wings and telescopic legs who flew Mad Mo to the 7 heavens in a single night, plus the 'far mosque' claimed to be in Jerusalem (long before it was built there!).

Intellect is no barrier to brainwashing as proven by the Fool. Islam is perfect for fools, psychopaths and the ignorant and gullible. Do these categories cover ABC, Kope, et al?
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written by Ming the Merciless , August 17, 2013
1982? Prior to that, Pol Pot , Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Islam, the C Church, Genghis Khan and others, murdered untold millions of people. Assad is an amateur compared to them. That's not to say he's not trying hard to break records. He's racking up a large score of broken and dead bodies, but the Muslim jihadists are also racking up an impressive record. There are no good guys on either side...Stuck in the middle are Christians and Syrian non combatants who make easy targets.
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Religion of Lies
written by Nodhimmi , August 17, 2013
A so-called 'religion' that

1. Instructs its followers to lie
2. Praises its 'profit' for his megalomaniacal perverted lifestyle
3. Turns human value on its head (death is good, backwardness is desirable, etc)
4. Brings war and suffering everywhere it goes

Has ZERO credibility and can only prosper where ignorance and stupidity rule. It is now in its terminal phase and will crash into oblivion.
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Abc who was reduced to dirty dots .
written by Fine , August 17, 2013
You son of a B*****D !!

You do not speak of my Mom this way !! ..do you hear me ??!! … you sorry excuse of a man … DO YOU HEAR ME ?? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU SICK MAN !! .. HOW DARE YOU SPEAK THIS WAY OF A DEAD WOMEN .??

I REPOTTED ACTS THAT SOME OF YOUR MUSLIM BROTHERS AND SISTERS HAVE BEEN DOING AND, A DISGUSTING MAN LIKE YOU, GO FOR MY MOTHER A DEAD MOTHER, TO PUNISH ME … FOR ** REPORTING ** WHAT IS BEING AIRED ON TV AND NEWS OIUT LETS …

are you kidding me ????????


YOU MOST BE THE LOW LIFE THAT CAME FROM THE SAME PLACE ALL OTHER MUSLIM CAME FROM .

YOU, DO NOT, ONLY DISGUSTED ME !! YOU MAKE ME THROW UP !!

LOOK!! … I ABHORE A MUSLIM LI6ING MAN LIKE YOU !!

We will obliterate your Islam … sit and watch Dirty dotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! tffih
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More examples of sexual Jihad
written by Infidel and MP , August 17, 2013
Sexual Jihad is prevalent both in Lebanon and Iraq.

BTW Jihad is practiced by Muslims therefore this class runs with your family only abc and or your brethren.

You could also make yourself useful in this type of Jihad by providing your back orifice for services.

Keep on Jihading abc.
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To dirty Dotty
written by Fine , August 17, 2013
Here is it again .feast on it

You take it up with ' Alarabiya '' news outlet and you bring your diapered little backside back here and tell us how you convinced them they were WRONG !!?

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/variety/2013/07/13/Pro-Mursi-protesters-are-awaiting-signal-for-sexual-Jihad-report-.html

As long as Alarabyia still backing it;s report … IT STANDS
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Bugs Bunny anyone?
written by Ming the Merciless , August 17, 2013
It's a fact that sexual jihad among animals is mostly practiced by rabbits and some insects and Muslims. On Mongo rabbits are not eaten, they are pets. To keep them from over populating we give them birth control pills, but we do not interfere with their sex lives. There are no insects and Muslims fled to Earth with Allah. So except for rabbits there is no sexual jihad going on. You can end sexual jihad on Earth by ignoring Allah and getting a pet rabbit. Two is even better.
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That got a reaction!!!!!!
written by ----------- , August 17, 2013
"You do not speak of my Mom this way !!"
Yet you are quite happy to slander and lie about others mothers and sisters. Tell me how that works in your head?
"HOW DARE YOU SPEAK THIS WAY OF A DEAD WOMEN .??"
How do you know other peoples mothers are not dead???

"I REPOTTED ACTS THAT SOME OF YOUR MUSLIM BROTHERS AND SISTERS HAVE BEEN DOING"
Really? Some BS that appears on a face book page or something Bashar the butcher says is the truth is it?
Before you start propagating a lie, if the sentence starts with fox news reports, its on face book, or memri says etc etc it doesn't count. You want to tarnish one in every four people on the planet then you have to do better.
sexual jihad- on whose authority, evidence from sources, verifiable and generally agreed upon.
So where are they???
Since you said it is a Syrian phenomenon then there must be real life cases.
Feb 1982, 40,000 killed and Hama destroyed so how many cases of sexual jihad reported?
NONE? that is a shock.


"We will obliterate your Islam … sit and watch Dirty dotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! tffih"
The truth finally emerges. You are so blind a and blinkered you do retain the ability to decipher fact from fiction.
It doesn't take a genius to figure you are going to go really bitter and disappointed.
We will obliterate islam! in your dreams.

sad sad old lady!
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Kope
written by dead or alive , August 17, 2013
What is the name of the gas used on Jews?
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To filthy coward who attacks the messenger because the message shames to pieces
written by Fine , August 17, 2013
Muslim monster … you said this :

' Did your mother not volunteer for sexual jihad? .. a dead mother and I was talking about the report of women who duped to have sex for Jihad by Islamicts .. how I my talking about mothers and sister

You stupid filthy Muslim … you do not know the Issue was NOT SLANDERING WOMEN, it was to shows Muslims men at their filthy minds best .. who make fatwes at any whim to suites their purpose !!

I was NOT attacking the Muslim women .. I am attacking the Muslim filthy men .. [ the 17 years old is but a teen who is brainwashed by filthy Imams … but you are too disgusting man to post your attack on my mother .. why don't you attack the filth you call imams in your mosque , your little filthy .. aren't ashamed of your self .. now ?

Slander? … no excpos the true filthy mind of a true Muslim … Feast :

http://my.telegraph.co.uk/markulyseas/markulyseas/4860/sex-jihad-saudi-cleric-fatwa-muslim-girls-and-women-ordered-to-syria-to-sexually-sacrifice-their-bodies-to-rebels/

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/variety/2013/07/13/Pro-Mursi-protesters-are-awaiting-signal-for-sexual-Jihad-report-.html


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2304128/Tunisian-girls-head-Syria-offer-Islamic-fighters-sexual-jihad.html

Sex and the Syrian Revolution
ttp://highbrowmagazine.com/2700-sex-and-syrian-revolution



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My post was taken to the dotty .. it will come soon enough
written by Fine , August 17, 2013
Here is a proof of many that Sexual Jihad is happening the islamic world on a regular basses :

The story Of Lina :

DAMASCUS -- It took her a long time to take the decision to talk and when she did, she would only meet in a public place.

She was an ordinary Damascene, dressed in a long coat and a scarf that completely covered her hair. Light skinned and brown-eyed, there was nothing outstanding about her – nothing outstanding until she told her story.

Lina is not her real name, but this is the name she wants to be called in this tale. Thirty-eight-years old, divorced and a mother of three, she lived at her parent’s house and worked for a meager salary, so when a sheikh broached the subject of marriage and introduced her to a man near her age, she snapped at the opportunity in the desperate hope that her life would change for the better. In true Damascene style the engagement period lasted for one month, during which she was only allowed to meet her fiancée in her parent’s house.

She married and they moved to Jaramana a large mixed suburb of Damascus. However, Lina’s husband came from Ain Tarma, an eastern suburb of Damascus now in the hands of the Islamic fundamentalists. One day he asked her to accompany him there. It proved to be a visit that changed many things in her life and altered many of what she had thought were rocklike beliefs.

When Lina entered Ain Tarma, it was like walking into a ghost city with no water, no electricity and the complete destruction of private and public property. It was inhabited by men who looked different to most Syrians. They wore knee-length robes and hennaed hair. They carried machetes, knives and handcuffs. She saw cars with no license plate numbers and a hospital ambulance that had obviously been stolen. Even worse, she felt as if she were dressed in a bikini, as all the other women there were completely covered from head to toe and wore long gloves.

To be continued

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the story of Lina continues
written by Fine , August 17, 2013

‏It was in Ain Tarma that Lina had a heart-to-heart conversation with her husband and it was that conversation which made her reconsider the very essence of her core beliefs – her vey faith. For Lina, Islam had always been there for her – to fall back on in times of need – to follow and be guided by in times of anguish and despair. It served as her protective clothing and the heart of her hearts.

‏But she heard a different Islam from her husband, one that was alien, dark and perverted. The sheikh, who lived in Ain Tarma had urged everyone to Jihad, her husband told her, but Jihad apparently took on many faces. One could take arms and fight or one could help finance the fight and if neither were possible, then one could still do Jihad –”Jihad Al Nikah,” which translates roughly into English as sexual Jihad. One could and indeed should (for it was a God-ordained duty) marry the young widows of all the men who had lost their lives in the fight. In “Jihad Al Nikah” a man must marry up to four women. He could then divorce them in a short time, only to marry others. The divorced women , would also in turn, marry different men and so on and so on…

‏Lina listened aghast to her husband’s explanation of Jihad and then she asked him a question which had irked her from the beginning, “What about Al Adeh?’’ she asked. Al Adeh is a period of approximately four months, where a divorced or widowed women isn’t allowed to marry in case she is pregnant with child. “Oh,” replied her husband flippantly. “The sheikh will find a fatwa for this.”

‏It was very clear that in this case of Jihad Al Nikah, the husband didn’t have to provide any financial assistance to his wives, the armed groups did that. They all received large amounts of sugar, rice and cooking oil – complements of Turkey.

To be continued
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The story of Lina continues .. Part 3 [ part 2 was taken to be reviewed]
written by Fine , August 17, 2013

‏So what is the point of Jihad Al Nikah and why has it come to light suddenly and particularly in Syria? In the case of Ain Tarma, Lina was able to offer an answer. The people who lived in Ain Tarma belonged to the armed groups or were their families and supporters nearly everyone else had fled. It was very important to keep the population of Ain Tarma stable, for it not to decrease. Turning Ain Tarma into a “hot spot ‘’ where free sex was not only legalized but was given a holy cloth to wear was one way of insuring that its people did not leave it.

‏Lina’s conviction about this was further confirmed when after one month of her marriage her husband decided to fulfill his obligation in Jihad Al Nikah and take on a young women, freshly widowed . She heard them talk on the phone, one day prior to their marriage and the bride to be had only one condition for her groom: he must prove his stamina and endurance, not in the battlefield , but in the bedroom.



‏It seemed to Lina that the “revolution” was based more on sexual needs and desires rather than the need and desire to bring true reforms. Slowly , Lina’s life became intolerable . Her husband’s strange new “Islamic” values tore her apart. He forbade her to smoke because smoking, according to him, was “haram” or sinful; yet he also told her how one day he was about to kidnap a man simply because the soldier was in the army and what saved the soldier was pure good luck. The armed groups of Ain Tarma who were to okay the kidnapping were simply too busy to pick up the phone when Lina’s husband called them. How, Lina asked her husband is it haram to smoke, but not haram to kidnap and kill a soldier? His answer came strong and clear: everyone in the Syrian Army, the president and Hezbollah were sinners and were in secret liaison with the Israelis.

To be continued
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The conclusion of the story of Lina [ part 4 ]
written by Fine , August 17, 2013

‏The seeds of this idea had long been planted in the minds of some Syrians. Those who frequented particular mosques and felt an affinity to a particular way of thinking – that of radical Islam. This way of thinking was one that fears the rise of any sect in Islam, except that of the majority, Sunni Islam. Therefore, Hezbollah’s ability to hold their own in the summer of 2006 against Israel was viewed not as an Arab or Lebanese victory but rather as Shi’a victory. This led to fears about the rise of the Shia’ in the Levant. Slowly and insidiously there started in Syria and only in particular mosques and areas a wave of sectarianism and in particular against Shi’as. The idea was to spread distrust and fear amongst the Sunni majority of the Shia’, who were depicted as sinners and in liaison with Israel, their victory of 2006 considered a sham and their rhetoric of resistance considered a ploy to gain popularity.

‏However, in must be made clear that this happened only on a small level and that the vast majority of Syrians, Sunni or otherwise, viewed Hezbollah’s victory as one of the most honorable phases in the history of the Arab Israeli struggle.

‏Many of those who adopted the theory that Shia’s were in liaison with Israel did so with a clear political agenda in mind: It was to empower the gulf countries and particularly Saudi Arabia at the expense of the more secular countries in the area. With the present crisis in Syria and other Arab countries it seems that those people succeeded to a certain point.

‏Lina’s experience with her second husband, left her a broken women spiritually for it destroyed her faith in some of her countrymen and the way they perceived Islam. It is true that up till now only a minority of Syrians think the way that Lina’s husband thinks but she had the misfortune to marry one of them.

‏Lina divorced her husband after two months of marriage.

This is a true story … and me post it does NOT mean '' slander'' it means raise awareness to show the filth of what is happening of the name of Islam using the filth that is in Islam .
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written by vbv , August 17, 2013
If muslims are such great inventors/discoverers , as this Mehdi Hassan claims,why are they so backward,so superstitious,so intolerant,sobigoted???? The real fact is islam is based on robbery. They robbed and distorted from the Bible, they robbed from the lands they conquered not only their wealth but also the knowledge and claimed it as their own.Today they will not stop claiming TV,Mobilephones, automobiles aeroplanes,rockets ,etc all originated in Arabia !!! That is how absurd they are and lying and obfuscating is an essential part of their religioncalled "taqiyya". It is sickening to hear their wailing prayers in singing their Koran just as their wailing claims to credit themselves for all the scientific and material progress.
There is another thing, they now have invented "Islamic finance" which is supposed tobe free of "interest" but actually no. They just charge the interest and give it some other name like murrabba or whatever crap ,instead of "riba" which is interest. Soon they will have Islamic economics, Islamic geography,islamic sociology,islamic political science,islamic biology,islamiczoology,islamic anthropology,etc , all subserving the stupidities of their bullshi book called Koran . And mullahs will then lead all this "Islamic" etc aforementioned tyraced to some arab fanatic who never existed. That is in essence islam for you.
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vbv
written by Fine , August 17, 2013
Welcome back vbv ..

Your posts always delvers the goods
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Musalli butt being kicked while abc discuss sexual Jihad
written by Infidel and MP , August 17, 2013
While abc and Korpsi discuss sexual Jihad..

Your brothers but is being kicked. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...olice.html

Go for some Jihad and to Jannah.
At least provide them with some entertainment.
Save your brothers arsz.
Don't just sit there as a coprolite.
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written by ........ , August 17, 2013
I've read your references from al arabiyya, the telegraph and also the daily mail!
Al arabiyya dismisses the story as a Facebook hoax. The telegraph and the daily mail claim a Saudi cleric called al arifi issued the edict.
When you dig deeper it turns out that this story emerged in Lebanon by al jadeed tv. No evidence provided. Alternet picked that story up and circulated it.
As and when the phobes got hold of it then it went viral and mainstream.
The fatwa was alleged to be said by al arifi a Saudi cleric.
Al arifi denies this and has said so via YouTube and his Facebook and twitter page.
So a hoax started and finished in the mainstream even though it was a lie.
Do you feel proud of your part in the hoax?

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@ .........
written by Brown Superman , August 17, 2013
COMMENT DELETED DUE TO FILTHY LANGUAGE
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Al atifi's denial
written by ........ , August 17, 2013
د. محمد العريفي ✔ @MohamadAlarefe

تغريدة تحمل فتوى سيئة نُسبت لي،
ولجهل كاذبها زادت عن140حرفاً!
وقد كذّبتها بتويتر وفيس بوك،
ولا تزال تنشرها قنوات بشار!ا pic.twitter.com/l2KUGmmx
4:34 AM - 30 Dec 2012

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Well dotted ABC,
written by 1proudkaffur4life , August 17, 2013

You typed:
“So a hoax started and finished in the mainstream even though it was a lie.”

And YET YOU believe a 1400 years old LIE! Where is the Wall made of Iron & Lead? Was the PAGAN Alexander the Great truly a DEVOUT Muslim? Evidence to the assertion found in your Quran are sorely LACKING!

Are there any people of Gog and Magog, other then Muslims?

Stood a JEWISH temple in Jerusalem your lice-ridden profeet could have visited while being alive?
All LIES, you as a devout'n pious Muslim believe!

Let me rephrase your question:
Do you feel proud of your part in the ISLAMIC hoax?


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Here is how the story spread
written by ........ , August 17, 2013
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The latest
written by ........ , August 17, 2013
At approximately 15:30 UTC on 3 January 2013, Salon deleted their story which was sourced from AlterNet.
Also
At 18:22 UTC on 3 January 2013, The Electronic Intifada was notified that the MSN Now story has been amended with this correction:

AlterNet, which was one of several outlets reporting on the allegations, has issued a retraction on this story after Muhammed al-Arifi denied he made these comments. “No sane person” would’ve said such a thing, the cleric says in a new YouTube video.
But don't let the truth get in your way!
Blinded by your hate you cannot see fact and fiction.

Also, you meet to untangle you pants.
I asked a rhetorical question regarding your mum!!!
Not a statement. Learn to read before you express outrage.

Finally:
"Nay, We hurl the Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out its brain, and behold, falsehood doth perish! Ah! woe ... And yours will be woe for that which ye ascribe (unto Him).

"We will obliterate your islam"
He he he he!
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Latest
written by ........ , August 17, 2013
At approximately 15:30 UTC on 3 January 2013, Salon deleted their story which was sourced from AlterNet.
Also
At 18:22 UTC on 3 January 2013, The Electronic Intifada was notified that the MSN Now story has been amended with this correction:

AlterNet, which was one of several outlets reporting on the allegations, has issued a retraction on this story after Muhammed al-Arifi denied he made these comments. “No sane person” would’ve said such a thing, the cleric says in a new YouTube video.
But don't let the truth get in your way!
Blinded by your hate you cannot see fact and fiction.

Also, you meet to untangle you pants.
I asked a rhetorical question regarding your mum!!!
Not a statement. Learn to read before you express outrage.

Finally:
"Nay, We hurl the Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out its brain, and behold, falsehood doth perish! Ah! woe ... And yours will be woe for that which ye ascribe (unto Him).

"We will obliterate your islam"
He he he he!
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I know Jihad of the sex kind is happening because ALL the many other sources
written by Fine , August 17, 2013
If al Alarabia news report was a hoax , which I believe it IS absolutely DID happen knowing so many other smellier stories HAVE happened .

The dotty filthy Muslim did not read the rest of the all the sources I provided .. HAVE YOU NOT READ THE STORY OF LINA ???

What … too long for you ?

My husband and I and so many Syrian here have seen so many stories like this happening to young women in Syria , Yemen , and others ..on TV and the phone with Family …women/ [ young girls ] of 8 9.10 and even as young as 5 are being sold like sheep to men for Saudi as low as 100 or 200 $ … that has been reported and interviews of fathers who are doing this to get 200

There is a whole village named '' Ain Tarma, where Lina got married and moved to with her husband ??!!

'' When Lina entered Ain Tarma, it was like walking into a ghost city with no water, no electricity and the complete destruction of private and public property. It was inhabited by men who looked different to most Syrians.''

So as far as being proud of My self .. the answer is …. '' very much ''

I left Islam ..what is better reason to be proud of self !!




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Mehdi Hasan- BIGOT
written by Nodhimmi , August 17, 2013
Mehdi Hasan is a political editor of the “Huffington Post” UK and appears on UK TV despite previously having said that all ‘Kuffar’ (a derogatory term in the Koran for non-Muslims) ‘live like cattle and have no intelligence.’ Holding such a view has clearly not impeded his career in the slightest, but a non-Muslim’s public career would be destroyed if a comparable statement was made about Muslims.
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SX Jihad
written by Infidel and MP , August 17, 2013
Fine
this is nothing new as it is also prevalent in Afghanistan.
Shoot the men and marry the women.
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here is the Hadeeth that proves that at one time sexual jihad was allowed by Muhammad
written by Fine , August 17, 2013


Narrated Jabir bin `Abdullah and Salama bin Al-Akwa`:
While we were in an army, Allah's Messenger () came to us and said, "You have been allowed to do the Mut'a (marriage), so do it."

حَدَّثَنَا عَلِيٌّ، حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ، قَالَ عَمْرٌو عَنِ الْحَسَنِ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ، عَنْ جَابِرِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، وَسَلَمَةَ بْنِ الأَكْوَعِ، قَالاَ كُنَّا فِي جَيْشٍ فَأَتَانَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَقَالَ ‏ "‏ إِنَّهُ قَدْ أُذِنَ لَكُمْ أَنْ تَسْتَمْتِعُوا فَاسْتَمْتِعُوا ‏"‏‏.‏
Reference
 : Sahih al-Bukhari 5117, 5118
In-book reference
 : Book 67, Hadith 54
USC-MSA web (English) reference
 : Vol. 7, Book 62, Hadith 52
  (deprecated numbering scheme)


This hadeeth that came later clearly states that the allawince of Mu'ta marriage that was issued before is annulled .. canceled

here is the hadeeth


'`Ali made it clear that the Prophet said, "The Mut'a marriage has been cancelled (made unlawful).
'' Allah's Messenger ()'s said, "If a man and a woman agree (to marry temporarily), their marriage should last for three nights, and if they like to continue, they can do so; and if they want to separate, they can do so." I do not know whether that was only for us or for all the people in general. Abu `Abdullah (Al-Bukhari) said: `"`Ali made it clear that the Prophet said, "The Mut'a marriage has been cancelled (made unlawful).


وَقَالَ ابْنُ أَبِي ذِئْبٍ حَدَّثَنِي إِيَاسُ بْنُ سَلَمَةَ بْنِ الأَكْوَعِ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ "‏ أَيُّمَا رَجُلٍ وَامْرَأَةٍ تَوَافَقَا فَعِشْرَةُ مَا بَيْنَهُمَا ثَلاَثُ لَيَالٍ فَإِنْ أَحَبَّا أَنْ يَتَزَايَدَا أَوْ يَتَتَارَكَا تَتَارَكَا ‏"‏‏.‏ فَمَا أَدْرِي أَشَىْءٌ كَانَ لَنَا خَاصَّةً أَمْ لِلنَّاسِ عَامَّةً‏.‏ قَالَ أَبُو عَبْدِ اللَّهِ وَبَيَّنَهُ عَلِيٌّ عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم أَنَّهُ مَنْسُوخٌ‏.‏
Reference
 : Sahih al-Bukhari 5119
In-book reference
 : Book 67, Hadith 55
USC-MSA web (English) reference
 : Vol. 7, Book 62, Hadith 52

So ,,, filthy dotty .. you loose again
  
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Latest
written by ........ , August 17, 2013
At approximately 15:30 UTC on 3 January 2013, Salon deleted their story which was sourced from AlterNet.
Also
At 18:22 UTC on 3 January 2013, The Electronic Intifada was notified that the MSN Now story has been amended with this correction:

AlterNet, which was one of several outlets reporting on the allegations, has issued a retraction on this story after Muhammed al-Arifi denied he made these comments. “No sane person” would’ve said such a thing, the cleric says in a new YouTube video.
But don't let the truth get in your way!
Blinded by your hate you cannot see fact and fiction.

Also, you meet to untangle you pants.
I asked a rhetorical question regarding your mum!!!
Not a statement. Learn to read before you express outrage.

Finally:
"Nay, We hurl the Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out its brain, and behold, falsehood doth perish! Ah! woe ... And yours will be woe for that which ye ascribe (unto Him).

"We will obliterate your islam"
He he he he!
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source of Cow milk according to ALLAH the creator
written by 1proudkaffur4life , August 17, 2013

The “holey” quran Sura 16 “ The Bee” verse 66: And verily in cattle (too) will ye find an instructive sign. From what is within their bodies between excretions and blood, We produce, for your drink, milk, pure and agreeable to those who drink it.

Pickthal and Shakir both have it “in their bellies,” as the source of MILK!

Another example of how all-knowing illaallaah seems to forget what it created namely: A mammary gland an organ in female mammals that produces milk to feed young offspring. Mammals get their name from the word "mammary." In humans, the mammary glands are situated in the breasts. In ruminants such as cows, goats, and deer, the mammary glands are contained in the udders.

The basic components of a mature mammary gland are the alveoli (hollow cavities, a few millimeters large) lined with milk-secreting cuboidal cells and surrounded by myoepithelial cells. These alveoli join to form groups known as lobules. Each lobule has a lactiferous duct that drains into openings in the nipple. The myoepithelial cells contract under the stimulation of oxytocin, excreting the milk secreted by alveolar units into the lobule lumen toward the nipple. As the infant begins to suck, the oxytocin-mediated "let down reflex" ensues and the mother's milk is secreted – not sucked from the gland – into the baby's mouth. [end of quote from the wikipedia ]


Not to speak of Adults who can NOT drink milk because it was stopped giving them when they were weaned! Many older Japanese fall in this group!

Ever seen the UDDER of a live COW? With four teats? And for pete's sake if illaallaah would know that HE/IT/SHE created the udder BELOW or extending from the belly, to produce milk then it could have told it to his to muahamMAD using the Arabic equivalent for udder! Or were they simply TOO stoopid to name this body-part of the female cow!


Well “MUSLIM ...ABC” you can really be proud of your part in keeping the 1400 years old
ISLAMIC HOAX alive!
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written by Fine , August 17, 2013
Actually scratch that ..

You do not actually loose anything .. you still a Muslim man who sit at his keyboard practicing written Jihad

It is the Muslim women who loose !!
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Difference between Muslims and kaffurs
written by 1proudkaffur4life , August 17, 2013

[quote from our most “devout'n pious Muslim ...ABC”:

AlterNet, which was one of several outlets reporting on the allegations, has issued a retraction on this story after Muhammed al-Arifi denied he made these comments.
End quote]

And you see therein lies the difference: “truth-loving FILTHY KAFFURS “ when shown that some information is wrong will “issue a retraction!” While YOU MUSLIMS IGNORE all the evidence that your ISLAM is simply a GREAT hoax!



Well “devout'n pious Muslim ...ABC” you can really be proud of your part in keeping the 1400 years old ISLAMIC HOAX alive!
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End of musalli brotherhood
written by Infidel and MP , August 17, 2013
http://uk.reuters.com/article/...4U20130817

Very likely musalli brotherhood will be made to crawl under the rock it emerged from..

Saudi and UAE don't want them in their backyard either.
Start of MB decay and the emanating stench is strong.

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Here is another proof .. and evident of backing down
written by Fine , August 17, 2013
http://cnsnews.com/news/articl...ian-rebels

'' Girls as young as 14 are counted as eligible for the “sexual jihad,” and around a dozen young Tunisians are believed to have taken up the call, attributed to an influential Saudi scholar, Sheikh Mohamed al-Arifi.

The pan-Arabic Al-Hayat newspaper reported this week that a video circulating on social media sites in Tunisia showed the parents of a girl younger than 18, saying she had recently returned from Syria after being convinced by Salafist fellow students to travel to the conflict-torn country “to support the mujahideen there.”

It quoted Tunisian religious affairs minister Noureddine al-Khadimi as repudiating such fatwas (religious rulings), stressing Tunisians were not obligated to adhere to them.

Although al-Arifi reportedly is now disowning the fatwa, Arab commentators seem skeptical.

“Sources close to the sheikh denied that he had issued any such fatwa,” the pan-Arab news service Al-Bawaba said in a report Thursday. “Then again, one might backtrack, standing accused of selling young innocents to militant Muslims.”

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Evil Islam
written by I want to know , August 17, 2013
I have read the koran several times and also many hadiths. The only thing I can say about Islam is: It is very evil.
I'm sorry muslims ,but it is the plain truth.
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Here is the actual video we sow on Syrian TV … the mother and father of the girl how was brain washed to do Jihad sex
written by Fine , August 17, 2013
The video in not translated and it all in Arabic … but the article is in English you can red … it is
disgusting …. amazing

At one part of the video a bearded Islamist releasing his last breath, the men around him, were so in hurry to know if the dying man is seeing ANY HURIAT [ BIG BREASTED VIRGINS ] … they are so sickly deprived that THAT all they wanted to know … whether he could see the virgins … hahahaha …

So Funny in so sad way

You tell me …if this video is fake … No way no how … Jihad sex is a life and is going and hadeeth I provided backs it all UP .

http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.com/2013/07/sexual-jihad-in-syria.html

Here is others on the Islamic sex on teens


http://www.albawaba.com/editorchoice/american-arabia-muses-saudi-misyar-marriages-halal-hook-ups-413665

http://www.albawaba.com/news/sex-jihad-syria--480682

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Here is the Syrian Video shows the devastated parents of the brain washed girls of sex Jihad
written by Fine , August 17, 2013


http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.com/2013/07/sexual-jihad-in-syria.html

Jihad sex is al life and going and hadeeth is backed it up
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The video I brought above seems to be poled from the website up there
written by Fine , August 17, 2013
Here it is from Youtube

http://youtu.be/j8g1eHsN4xg
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About those witches, Ming
written by Yibel , August 18, 2013
The reason for the Biblical command :'Thou shall not suffer a witch to live' is that in those days witches were necromancers - they conjured up the spirits of the dead and communed with them. This practice involved murdering and decapitating the unsuspecting victim; burying the body under the floor of the seance area; cleaning the skull and covering it with clay and paint to make it look lifelike; and placing stones or shells in the eye sockets. The necromancer would then use the skull along with incantations to capture the spirit of the murdered victim in order to foretell the future for paying clients. This practice was based on the belief that beheading prevented a person's spirit from entering the afterlife - and was forced to wander in between the worlds.

Necromancy was widely practiced throughout the Middle East. Archaeologists have excavated houses where the practice went on for generations - in one case, 12 generations - with each generation having to provide its own murdered victim = familiar spirit.

BTW, the Bible's famous quote, 'Thou shall not kill', is actually 'Thou shall not MURDER' - and has no comparison with the Qur'anic demand to 'slaughter the non-Muslims wherever you find them'.

It would be nice if all we had to do was ban Allah. But Alas! As Egypt's current situation demonstrates - Islam does not just go away nicely. Islam is a totally emotion based death cult that can only be defeated with horrendous bloodletting.
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Mistakes in this article
written by Rationalist , August 18, 2013
Aryabhata notes in his work, Aryabhatiyam, that he was 23 years of age when Kaliyuga entered into 3600th year. The present Kaliyuga started in 3102 BC. So, when Aryabhata was 23 years it must be 499 AD. The knowledge of zero was known to Indians long before Aryabhata was born. He was not the inventor of Zero. Refer to the link http://www.boloji.com/index.cf...cleID=1052 ; It shows the extent of knowledge that existed in ancient India.

Early western Indologists manipulated dates of historic events related to India so that those events can squeezed to fit everything after 4004 BC, the year when Biblical earth was created.
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Korpsi and abc titilation for you for here is the Musalli SX spring
written by infidel and MP , August 18, 2013
http://www.salon.com/2013/07/2...ors_choice

SX spring in the musalli land of Iran. beyond chastity houses and muta..
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about muta
written by Ming the Merciless , August 18, 2013
We used to have a lot of muta on Mongo. Muta tourists would come here just to watch.
Muta watching got so popular we had to open a muta information office for tourists.
Muta clothing stores began opening. There were two restaurants offering muta soup and one went so far as to offer muta burgers. One farmer even named his watermelon crop mutamelons. Muta faded as a hobby and spectator sport when Allah was banned. You can no longer buy a muta burger, but you can still get a mutamelon.
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written by washington , August 19, 2013
About those witches, Ming
written by Yibel , August 18, 2013
BTW, the Bible's famous quote, 'Thou shall not kill', is actually 'Thou shall not MURDER'


Interesting, source please.
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washington, the source is the original Hebrew
written by Yibel , August 19, 2013
'Thou shall not kill' is a mistranslation of the Hebrew word "retsax" which
means "to murder". There are many different kinds of killing - for example, self defense, accidental and manslaughter. Murder, however, requires malice - and, for first degree murder, planning is involved. The word "retsax" is also the root of the word for enslaving and oppression - so, by extension, these are also forbidden. The related word "rotse'ax" means murderer or assassin.

The Quranic order to "slaughter the infidels" is murder most foul. It is demanded by the Islamic gawd. (Qur'an 2:191; 4:89; 9:5) "When you encounter the unbelievers, strike off their heads, until you have made a great slaughter among them." (Sura 9:47). The Qur'an uses the Arabic word "qatilu" which means 'intentional sustained activity directed at another with deadly intent' - in other words - murder!

"Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah’s helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in Allah’s Cause. Killing him is a small matter to us." -- Hadith recorded in Al-Tabari, Vol. 9, p. 69
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Yibel
written by Ming the Merciless , August 19, 2013
BTW, the Bible's famous quote, 'Thou shall not kill', is actually 'Thou shall not MURDER'

Funny, that's not what my Bible says, but maybe my Bible is not as reliable as yours.
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Just get rid of it.
written by Ming the Merciless , August 19, 2013
One of the reasons we banned scripture on Mongo was because one said it was one way, another said it was some other way. Both the Bible and Quran claim to be the very Holy words of God. They are also clear and easy to understand. Look how many people claim to understand them. But not you, dear reader. You need a Imam or a priestly type to tell you what they really mean. 'Thou shall not kill'. If that does not mean what it says, does that mean my Bible is 'NOT' the very Holy word of God?. If God, mighty and terrible, wanted my Bible to say 'Thou shall not murder', that's what it should say. But it does not, it uses the word kill. So I have Christians telling me that the Bible is the word of God, but is not factual, it does not mean what it says. Huh? The Quran in Arabic translated to other languages also falls into that trap. Ban all this unnecessary confusion. Ban scripture.
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Is it the same Mehdi Hassan?
written by greygandalf , August 19, 2013
Is this the Mehdi Hassan, who in discussion (about Islam) said that he believed that Allah had traveled to the moon on a winged horse? The atheist was visibly taken aback, saying their was no science that could support that claim. (In fairness, the atheist was very lenient to him.) What else is utter claptrap in that army manual?
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Is it the same Mehdi Hassan?
written by Nodhimmi , August 20, 2013
Yes, indeed! Richard Dawkins (the atheist) was dumbfounded by Hasan's stupidity.

As for Koranic idiocy, here's a small sample-

http://skepticsannotatedbible..../long.html
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It means exactly what it says
written by Yibel , August 20, 2013
"Funny, that's not what my Bible says, but maybe my Bible is not as reliable as yours."

Apparently, Ming, you did not read my post concerning the ORIGINAL Bible verse - which was written in HEBREW. Perhaps you think that the Israelites spoke English! Kill' is a mistranslation of the Hebrew word "retsax" which means "to murder".

You're right, Ming - your English version of the Bible is not as reliable as what was written in the original Hebrew language. The Bible is inspired scripture - and translations into other languages are only as good, or honest, as the translator - and language - allow.

As I pointed out in my above post the Arabic word "qatilu" actually means 'intentional sustained activity directed at another with deadly intent' - but it's been translated into English as "kill" - when "murder" or even "slaughter" are more fitting translations.

"If God, mighty and terrible, wanted my Bible to say 'Thou shall not murder', that's what it should say." WELL - IT DOES - IN HEBREW!
Get your head out of your arse, Ming - and quit being so obtuse.
P.S. I really don't like yellow watermelons - I prefer Honeydews!
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written by 888 , August 20, 2013
washington, the source is the original Hebrew
written by Yibel , August 19, 2013

'Thou shall not kill' is a mistranslation of the Hebrew word "retsax" which
means "to murder". There are many different kinds of killing - for example, self defense, accidental and manslaughter. Murder, however, requires malice - and, for first degree murder, planning is involved. The word "retsax" is also the root of the word for enslaving and oppression - so, by extension, these are also forbidden. The related word "rotse'ax" means murderer or assassin.


You appear to be more than casually knowledgable about classical Hebrew and in particular transitive verbs and non accusative alternation.
Tell me, are you Jewish and maybe Zionist?
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written by )000( , August 20, 2013
It means exactly what it says
written by Yibel , August 20, 2013

"Funny, that's not what my Bible says, but maybe my Bible is not as reliable as yours."

Apparently, Ming, you did not read my post concerning the ORIGINAL Bible verse - which was written in HEBREW. Perhaps you think that the Israelites spoke English! Kill' is a mistranslation of the Hebrew word "retsax" which means "to murder".

You're right, Ming - your English version of the Bible is not as reliable as what was written in the original Hebrew language. The Bible is inspired scripture - and translations into other languages are only as good, or honest, as the translator - and language - allow.


The 'original' Bible?????
Wow, you must be very influential.
Which 'original' Bible are you quoting from, the Torah?
The Bible isn't the Torah.
Dead Sea Scrolls?
They're not the Bible either.
There's a great many versions of the Bible , all of them radically altered to differ from the Codex Sinaiticus. The 1600 year old Codex is written in Greek and has been heavily corrected.

Are you a Monk at St. Catherines Monastery?
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written by " , August 20, 2013

It means exactly what it says
written by Yibel , August 20, 2013

"Funny, that's not what my Bible says, but maybe my Bible is not as reliable as yours."

Apparently, Ming, you did not read my post concerning the ORIGINAL Bible verse - which was written in HEBREW. Perhaps you think that the Israelites spoke English! Kill' is a mistranslation of the Hebrew word "retsax" which means "to murder".


You've certainly got more than a casual interest in Islam and the Bible, and some of your comments suggest a more than passing interest with contemporary Zionist politics.

http://www.loonwatch.com/2013/...d-muslims/
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'Inspired' means unreliable.
written by Ming the Merciless , August 20, 2013
Yibel makes my point for me. Scripture is unreliable...Every Bible and Quran is study in confusion. If you have to study ancient Hebrew, Arabic or the Enochian language to understand it, what good it to the average person? And how does anyone know that it was not the ancient writer/translator that got it wrong? There are no examples of 'original' scripture. Everything is a copy of another copy, sometimes rewritten. And why, after all these years, if the word kill was mistranslated, have no 'experts' corrected the error? Why do the religious keep printing Bibles they know are erroneous? The argument that you must understand ancient Hebrew to understand the Bible, is the same claim Muslims make about the Quran in Arabic.
All scripture is a 'somebody said', and other bodies simply believe the speaker/writer because he was either 'inspired', or Gabriel was speaking perfect Arabic Allah talk to Mohammad. Since no one was there when certain Bible/Quran events happened, you have to take the writers word for it, and no one knows who he actually was or where he got these stories. Earth people would be far better off banning these evil writings. Look how much trouble they have caused.


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Peaceful
written by Malm , August 21, 2013
Always has been and will evermore be a peaceful religion, it is a few people who are not peaceful and some like Finelivng who bash a religion because they cannot make the dedication to it.
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If you have to study ancient Hebrew
written by Yibel , August 21, 2013
LOL! You really are a basket case, Ming!
Hebrew is spoken right now today - in Israel. And so is Arabic! The Bible has been written and read and spoken in Hebrew for over 3500 years. And during all that time, Hebrew scribes have carefully copied every word, every tittle and yod - with loving care. Every line of text is numbered ("shurah") - so that no line of text is skipped or missed or out of place. (BTW, this is where the Arabs got the word sura from - another theft from the Jews).

The Muslims have a point, Ming - there are bad translations of the Qur'an floating around out there - Reed Wilson quotes from one of them - often!!

Now a guestion for you - Does telling people not "to kill" - when they live in a war zone - make any sense to you? When in doubt, check it out! Sometimes that means going to the original source. Inquiring minds, Ming!

Many of the events written about in the Bible have been verified by archaeological evidence. There are many digs going on in Israel that are bringing evidence to light all the time.

As for banning literature - who decides what will be banned? Things someone, such as yourself, doesn't like! The only ones causing trouble are the followers of the Qur'an - Christainity and Judaism are rather decent ways to live one's life - Golden Rule - Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Or, is you don't want a creator being? Well, try Budhism. Or Taoism. Or do you want to do away with them, too?

For No Name - the Torah is the first five Books of the Bible's Old Testament section. Als, most of the "Dead Sea Scrolls" are Biblical Books - for example the Book of Isaiah is one of the "Dead Sea Scrolls". Get a brain - idiocy is not becoming!
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Oh look everyone the Egyptian swinger is back
written by Fine , August 21, 2013
He leaves, as all readers remember, to hide behind his wives skirts when the beheading of soldier in the UK committed by his Muslim brother who read the same book he idolize .. he couldn't take the scrutiny/heat in the kitchen so got out of it .. the swinger ran a way and the brained capped Abc who was reduced to dots' dust too .

Both gone with the wind .

The swinger peaks back testing waters .. lurking ..here I thought he was one the a goners in the streets of Egypt during the taking over the army have been doing … but no .. he is still alive and kicking!!??

At one time the swinger laughed at Syrians and their cicvil war and how Syria lost 100000 Muslims and called them, backward .. he actually boosted, how Egyptian are a lot more sophisticated to do anything like this sick.

Well,.. well … well as we all see, He spoke TO SOON .. Egyptian Muslims turn out to be not above killing and spilling blood just as bad as Syrian Muslims … when Islam failed … miserably ??!!

Squirm ?!!

Shamata never helped anyone .. it just come back and hit right back

Some of the Egyptian Muslims are li6ers fakers who are faking injuries ..pathetic, watch here :

http://youtu.be/a5LVkHrfhxw



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Basket case? Surly you jest.
written by Ming the Merciless , August 21, 2013
It's not very hard to figure out that 'Thou shall not kill, is a higher and more refined spiritual concept than ' Thou shall not Murder'...Your examples are stupid. You would prefer to believe the twisted ideas of some unknown ancient Hebrew writer than basic common sense ,and you in your religious spasmatic orgasms call me a basket case? You are a religious supremacist bigot Yibel. No better than the Mr Reed you refer to. You are a perfect example of how scripture twists the mind into pretzels, and that's why we banned it on Mongo. We have no religious supremacist bigots going around calling other people basket cases.
Archaeological digs will never prove the fairy tales in the Bible. or any mystical happenings. They are impossible to prove. It cannot even be proved that 'Thou shall not murder', actually came from God. In other words Yibel, you have multitudes of religious ideas and opinions you cannot verify. All you can do is post more scripture and claim you are right. because the scripture is correct. Something you can't prove without posting even more scripture, which also fails the credibility test.
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To Malem
written by lw1 , August 21, 2013
After many attempts, you have not provided a quote from Koran to prove your claim 'women are worshipped in Koran'. Do you want to abandon your claim?
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iW1
written by Fine , August 22, 2013
Swinger wont answer you .. he is busy worshiping his wives the Islamic way ..like this :


Women in the Quran

Women who are guilty of lewdness ... confine them to the houses until death take them.--4:15

Virgins await those who enter paradise. 2:25

It's OK to have sex with your wives during Ramadan (at least after sunset). In fact you must
"hold intercourse with them." All of them. It is your sacred Muslim duty. 2:187

Next Allah gets down to the really important things in life. Things we all wonder about from time to time. Like should I marry a few idolatresses? Is an Islamic concubine better than a really hot Christian woman? Should I refuse to give my daughter to a Jewish man until he becomes a Muslim? And who should I invite to the Fire anyway? 2:221

Menstruation is a filthy disease. All good Muslim men should stay the hell away from menstruating women And for God sakes, don't have sex with them while they're menstruating. I
It creeps Allah out just to think of it. 2:222a

But don't worry guys. After they clean up you can have sex with them whenever you want. Allah loves clean men as much as he hates menstruating women. 2:222b

In the mind of Allah, women are like a dirty field for men to plow with their penises. Plow them whenever you like (as long as they're not menstruating, of course.) 2:223

Still, if a man doesn't want to have sex with his wives, Allah is OK with that, too. Wait four months, then if they change their minds, go ahead and have sex with them. 2:226

Women may not have sex for three months after getting a divorce. If they skip one of their filthy periods, they must not hide it. In such a case, Allah suggests that their ex-husbands take their pregnant wives back. 2:228a

Women have rights that are similar to men, but men are "a degree above them." 2:228b

If you divorce your wife, you must divorce her twice. And she can ransom herself, whatever that might mean. 2:229

But if you divorce your wife for the third time, you can't have her again until she marries another guy. Then if the other guy divorces her, it's OK for you to have sex with your four-times divorced wife. What the hell. These are the limits of Allah. 2:230

After your divorced wives have reached the end of their 3 month waiting period, you can take them or leave them. Just don't make Allah a laughing-stock. 2:231

If you decide to go ahead with the divorce, let your ex-wives get married again. It's cleaner that way. Allah knows; you don't. 2:232

When a man dies, his wives can't have sex for four months and ten days. After that, if they're not pregnant, it's no sin for the dead man if his wives have sex again. 2:234
A woman is worth one-half a man. 2:282
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to basket case
written by Yibel , August 22, 2013
Why would "thou shall not kill" be - as you put it - "a higher and more refined spiritual concept" than than murder.

Killing includes such things as self-defense and accidental homicide without intent. That is why we have justifiable homicide in our legal system. Do you think that all death's should be treated the same by the legal system?

Murder, on the other hand, requires pre-meditation - and hate!

Basket Case, it is you who are the religious supremacist bigot. You hate all those don't agree with your ideology and concept of Utopia.

The Hebrews came up with a legal system that has merit: no murdering, no stealing, no lying, no cheating, no coveting, take care of your parents, don't worship rocks or idols or follow their rules, don't murder your children, don't sacrifice other humans, take care of your animals, take care of the environment, work to make the world a better place to live in, set an example for other nations to follow. I might also add that the "scripture" I post is from the Qur'an.

I am sorry that you are so blinded by some sort of rage - and lack of education - that you can't see that the Bible is not your enemy. But Islam is!
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Yibel
written by Ming the Merciless , August 22, 2013
Your belief in scripture has ruined your mind. Your examples are rude and primitive.
I should not have to explain to your highness that killing in self defense has no blame. But the self defense needs to be legitimate. A line in the 'Course in Miracles', says, 'Love does not kill to save, if it did, murder would be salvation'. You can believe anything your very small egotistic mind chooses. If you choose to take an unknown Hebrew writers determinations as a way to live your life, then have at it. But don't try and tell me what's what. I do not consider you a fountain of superior knowledge. I can give you examples of why you are wrong, but why bother, you are stuck on stupidity.
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In addition Yibel
written by Ming the Merciless , August 22, 2013
I am sorry that you are so blinded by some sort of rage - and lack of education - that you can't see that the Bible is not your enemy. But Islam is!

You have a problem with reading comprehension, don't you? And there you go with your superiority complex again. You have no idea of my education.
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Women do not fair better in the old religions too like in the old testament
written by Fine , August 22, 2013
Women in the old testament


The status of women in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament)

Passages treating women as inferior to men

How the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) generally viewed women:

Women's behavior was extremely limited in ancient times, much as the women of Afghanistan during the recent Taliban oppression. They were:

Unmarried women were not allowed to leave the home of their father without permission.

Married women were not allowed to leave the home of their husband, without permission.

They were normally restricted to roles of little or no authority.

They could not testify in court.

They could not appear in public venues.

They were not allowed to talk to strangers.


They had to be doubly veiled when they left their homes. 1

Here is the rest ..


http://www.religioustolerance.org/ofe_bibl.htm#

If God is real he had to be a male to come with this unfair treatment of women


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Fine
written by Ming the Merciless , August 22, 2013
In some Hindu literature it says, 'enlightenment', is only suitable for those with a 'masculine head and heart'. Many thought this excluded women. But this has been proven false becausw women are perfectly capable of the masculine head and heart required, without morphing into a man. The early church father Turtulian blamed women for bringing death to the planet. He started out speaking to all women and said, 'Don't you know you are an Eve'...Then the blaming started. Most people no longer blame Eve for the worlds problems, but in some places secondary status for women is still practiced. Islam is one of those places.
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Here is the treatment of women in the new testament
written by Fine , August 22, 2013
It only improve a little better .. but I am afraid it is NOT good enough for me at all

The Treatment of Women in the Bible

Either get out of the church or become slave to men. It's the will of God.

Women are dumped on throughout the Bible, and are still being dumped on in the churches. How many denominations allow women to be clergy? If they are clergy, they still aren't equal to the men in the clergy. And it is supported 100% in the Bible.

It starts in the second account of creation... women were only created because Adam could not find a suitable wife (help meet) in the animals that God showed him. On top of being second string to cattle and sheep, women were created from a spare rib of a man. Woman needed man in order to exist. (Genesis 2:20-22)

When Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit of knowledge of Good and Evil... Who got the harshest of punishment? Eve! Adam's punishment was that his herbs would sprout thorns and he would get to rule over Eve, is that really a punishment? Then Eve got pain in childbirth, pain in conception... and became a servant of sorts to Adam. Not to mention the official punishment for Adam was for listening to his wife. (Genesis 3:16-17)

Even in the ten commandments women are portrayed as being the property of their husband. In Exodus 20:17 it says "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's." Yes sir, the wife ranks right there with the ox and ass.

That's not all. Exodus 21:7-10 covers the rules of selling your daughter, her master making her marry him, and then her role if he wants more wives. I see the woman's view and feelings mattered quite a bit here.

Exodus 22:16-17 is a real good one. If a man sleeps with an unwed virgin, he must marry her. But if her father refuses to give her to the man, then the man must pay the "pay money according to the dowry of virgins"...

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it gets worse
written by Fine , August 22, 2013
It's not just women, female animals are not as good as male animals. It is male animals that are to be burned for offerings. (Leviticus 1:3, 1:10) When a king sins, and needs to make a sacrifice he has to use a male goat, but when any old commoner sins, they have to use a female goat. (Leviticus 4:23, 4:28)

Now back to the abuse of human females. This biased view isn't limited to adult women. Little girls, even from the day that they are born, are inferior to little boys. All of Leviticus chapter 12 is based on the purification of a woman after she has given birth. Get this... after a woman has given birth to a boy, she will be unclean for 7 days and must purify herself for 33 days. If she gives birth to a girl, she is unclean for 14 days and needs 66 days of purification. Go figure.

Leviticus also touches on the treatment of female slaves and their male masters. According to Leviticus 19:20-22, if a man rapes his female slave... the woman gets punished and the man's sins are forgiven. Look for yourself, it's rather shameful.

Women are even worth less in terms of their monetary value. Here's a table of values as given by God in Leviticus 27:3-7. $ = Shekels of silver

Ages 1 month - 5 years: Male = $5; Female = $3

Ages 5 years - 20 years: Male = $20; Female = $10

Ages 20 years - 60 years: Male = $50; Female = $30

Ages 60 and up: Male = $15; Female = $10
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The difference
written by Fine , August 22, 2013

It is hard for me to read the above …as a women who's family suffered mistreatment under anther intolerant religion against '' Islam'' .. I do NOT condone this and No one should as it is very unfair .

Having said that there is very important aspect that SHOULD ALWAYS KEEP IN MIND ...

jewish people and Judaism and Christians and Christianity HAVE REFORMED in the last 500 hundred years and women DO get treated some what equally with men .

But Muslims and islam HAVE NOT .. IT failed to reform and it will always will .. stuck in between the covers of Quran becoause the quran claimes the it is the word of Allah word by word and that is why Islam and Islamists [ true muslims] make the worse threat to humanity then the Judaism and Christianity .
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Fine
written by lw1 , August 22, 2013
The lies by Muslims should always be challenged.
Malem calls Islam a peaceful religion, but it is this peaceful religion where most Muslims are killed by Muslims.
Let us hope that one day they will get tired of always having to find excuses for Islam.
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Ancient times were rough
written by Yibel , August 22, 2013
"Adam could not find a suitable wife (help meet) in the animals that God showed him. " (Genesis 2:20-22)

The passage refers to Adam domesticating livestock. The animals were not meant to be "a wife".

Sacrificing male animals does not make them better. Male animals only provide sperm for reproduction. For farmers, it is the females that have the most value as they produce the next generation. It only takes one male animal to take care of about 40 females; the excess males are eaten. In ancient times, sacrifices were community feasts which served to unite the community.

Much of Genesis is symbolic writings and mythology. And, yes, the legal system of 3500 years ago was very controlling of women. The world was a violent place and warfare was the order of the day. For example, Jacob's daughter Dinah was raped by a Hivite - and the Amelekites kidnapped women and children and raped and pillaged on a regular basis. They even kidnapped King David's whole town while he and his men were away at war.

The Old Testament is mainly the history of the Israelites - the descendants of Jacob - their literature (called wisdom literature) and the prophesies of numerous writers. Unlike the Qur'an, the Leviticus rules are not a set of rules that must be obeyed for all time. There is a time and a place for everything. Yes, women were valued less than men - men were the warriors and did the farming. However, women in ancient Israel were judges, prophetesses, and heroines.
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Shari'ah is coming
written by Yibel , August 23, 2013
Fine: "How many denominations allow women to be clergy?"

The Quakers (Society of Friends) have had women ministers since the founding of the faith - about 1200 CE. Women are also ministers in several of the Protestant Churches; and women are now ordained priests in the Episcopal Church. I have a friend whose wife is studying for the ministry in a Presbyterian Church - and I think the Anglican Church of England has female ministers as well.

In Western culture women have had a better time getting rights and having freedom than in the middle east. Western men are raised to behave, have personal self-discipline, and show self-restraint and respect women. This will change as more Muslims move into western countries. There will be no-go zones (currently 751 in France alone) and increased crime rates - including rapes (Sweden is now the rape capital of the EU).

As the Muslim population increases, women will lose personal freedom - they will have to cover themselves to keep from being raped - and will have to have male escorts when they go outside their homes, just like in Muslim dominated countries.

Sorry about that, but it is coming. Muslims will see to it. The West is too PC to stop it and anyone who tries is labelled a bigot, a racist, or worse.
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written by Elvis , August 24, 2013
Shari'ah is coming
written by Yibel , August 23, 2013

Sorry about that, but it is coming. Muslims will see to it. The West is too PC to stop it and anyone who tries is labelled a bigot, a racist, or worse.


But you are a bigot and you said that support the BNP and EDL.
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Elvis
written by Yibel , August 25, 2013
why do you lie? Is a disease that you can't help? Are you mentally deranged? Do you want help with your inability to tell the truth? Please seek help before you hurt yourself bending over backwards to invent falsehoods!

Muhammad was a liar, too. Is that where you caught this disease - from following Muhammad too closely? When the self-proclaimed prophet reluctantly began to recite dribs and drabs of his Qur'an publicly, the people of Makkah became outraged. According to the Qur'an, Muhammad’s friends called him: a "liar" and a "magician" They accused him of being "possessed by devils." His kin called him an "insane plagiarizing poet." and he was characterized as a "fool," a "sorcerer," a "lunatic," a"farfetched forger," and a "specious pretender."

Perhaps you are possessed by jinn! Or are you a lunatic? Maybe you caught something that infected your mental acuity from kissing the dirt five times a day? Worshipping rocks is bad for the brain - better get yours checked for Allah's little beasties - they are causing you to malfunction. Muhammad had that trouble, too. It made him very sick in the end and he died an awful death.

Best of luck finding the cure. Try Mongo.
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written by VIVA LAS VEGAS , August 27, 2013
Elvis
written by Yibel , August 25, 2013
why do you lie? Is a disease that you can't help? Are you mentally deranged? Do you want help with your inability to tell the truth?


written by Yibel , July 16, 2013
The good thing about BNP and EDL is they do not believe in Takiya. They practice what they preach and once in power they will make sure
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Long live Green Meadows
written by Yibel , August 27, 2013
The first posted quote above was written by me - the second was not. I know nothing about the BNP or the EDL - so I am not in any position to say what they will or will not do.

Lying seems to be a built in trait of the Muslim pysche. Get yours checked out - Allahgasims are know to be dangerous to your health - even fatal.

Quote of the day:
There is no such thing as a 'secular Mahoundian'...Who invented that term, it doesn't appear in Quran or hadith...The only kind of Mahoundian are the pious...any other type is a fake and not a Mahoundian at all...Neither pious Mahoundians or fakes, none of them deserve your trust... -- duh_swami

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