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How Flawed American Foreign Policy is Killing Americans

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Given recent events in the Islamic World, such as attacks on American Embassies and other American interests, and the tragic death of American diplomats in Libya and soldiers in Afghanistan, you will soon hear a rising chorus of voices asking: What went wrong with our policy in the Middle East and North Africa? The answer is: American policy toward the Islamic world is simply inherently flawed and never had the slightest chance of success from the start.  So we are not surprised about its failure as we see happening.

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Thanks to American policy of promoting
democracy in the Middle East?

Our policies in the Middle East and the wider Islamic world are inherently flawed because the American elite – high government officials, media and academics – simply do not have an accurate grasp of Islam and they never will. They have been so indoctrinated by a deceptive presentation of Islam and by multiculturalism that they will never chart a policy that has any chance of stopping Islam's steady advance or avoiding unnecessary American casualties both at home and abroad. The deceptive presentation of Islam by Muslims organizations and many petro-dollar guzzling academicians at home can be blamed for those flawed policies, but the truth about Islam is readily apparent in actual words of the Qur’an and Hadith. Therefore, such a long-term success of perpetuating deception in our society amidst easy access to the truths points to a deeper, home-based cause behind our flawed policies toward Islam.

The truth is that the elite only want to believe in the goodness of Islam, as it somehow furthers their worldview and goals.

While the elite, our supposedly most highly educated and intelligent citizens, engage in long-term fallacies, if one reads my past articles on Egypt, Turkey, and the other articles on Islam, one can clearly see those articles carried warnings and prediction of the current tragic events, arising from our foreign policy of advocating democracy in Islamic nations. For example, back in June 2009, in an article entitled Democracy Not An Instant Panacea For The Islamic World, I wrote that "…there is an extremely dangerous fallacy gaining strength in intellectual circles. It is the fallacy that democracy can save the Islamic World from its tyrants and deprivations and, in turn, save the non Islamic World from Islamic terrorism." I further wrote that "all the push for democracy will accomplish in Egypt is to potentially cause the same catastrophe to occur in Egypt as occurred in Iran. I see great similarities between pre-revolutionary Iran and modern Egypt. Hosni Mubarak exhibits many of the same qualities as the Shah of Iran – both good and bad. Both men allied themselves with the United States and both men tried to modernize their countries. They both experienced their strongest opposition from Islamist elements. Some of their tyrannical behavior is or was necessitated by the ruthless nature of their Islamist opponents." I ultimately opined in June 2009 that "I suspect that Egypt will eventually be lost to Islamic fundamentalists anyway unless something dramatic, such as Kemalist reforms, are imposed to change the course the country is on. Democratic elections will hasten Egypt's demise and preclude any possibility of a strong military keeping the Islamists at bay while reforms, many of which would be initially unpopular, are imposed that will decrease Islam's influence on the culture."

Finally, on September 11, 2008, in an article entitled, Why 9/11 Occurred on September 11, I wrote that "equally as alarming, much of the Islamic world seems to be sliding deeper and deeper into Islamic extremism and I see no signs of anything occurring to stop the decline or the trend. For example, Lebanon, Egypt, and Pakistan will be lost to Islamic extremists within the next half century." I also wrote articles predicting what is happening in Afghanistan and Iraq. Make no mistake, those countries are, and will continue to, slide further under fundamentalist Islamic control. Since I wrote the foregoing material, the events in Libya, Lebanon, Tunisia, and Egypt reveal that I was downright prescient.

My accurate predictions beg the question: Why is it that a country lawyer and amateur Islamic critic such as myself could see what the Federal Government and so many American elites could not see? The answer is not a short one, but it is easy to grasp upon proper study. Let me lay it out for you so simply that any open-minded person – except the indoctrinated elites – can understand what constitutes at least a significant part of the problem behind America’s failed foreign policy.

America's disastrous foreign policy reflects how thoroughly certain segments of our society have managed to remain insulated from the reality of Islam for reasons far beyond simple ignorance. As a result, all Americans, and many foreigners, will pay dearly for a flawed foreign policy that has little chance of being significantly altered.

Ignorance is a failure to learn for reasons other than lack of ability to learn. President Obama is a highly intelligent (albeit not very wise), educated, and experienced man and his approach to all subjects involving Islam has to stem from something far beyond simple ignorance. While it is possible that President Obama, at least in part, is sympathetic to and trusting of Islam due to his early life in Indonesia where he may have been surrounded by cultural as opposed to fundamentalist Muslims giving him a skewed understanding of Islam, in all likelihood his overall views probably substantially derive from the same malady that has infected a large segment of Western society. Many have been so inundated by a misleading presentation of Islam that infects most mainstream educational and media sources that despite the fact that they have surely stumbled upon the truth about Islam at some point, they have been preconditioned to ignore or rationalize the truth. This preconditioned ignorance guarantees that the "elites" will never grasp the true level of danger presented by Islam. Where does this preconditioning come from?

The government, academia, and the media have created this preconditioning and they reinforce it every day at every opportunity. When journalists want to learn about Islam or present or write a story about Islam, they tend to search out someone to interview with academic credentials that lend immediate credibility to the story. But these traditional academic sources have been so compromised that the full truth about Islam is impossible to discover from such sources. Many educational institutions have been corrupted, not only by multiculturalism, discussed further below, but by money from wealthy Muslim donors and academic institutions know they must appease those donors if they are to receive additional funds. Remember, the love of money is the root of all evil and it has corrupted many prestigious academics institutions and professors. Think of it as your oil dollars at work, but against you.

In addition, many academics and media elites have been influenced by such academic charlatans as Edward Said and deceptive text books such that, instead of receiving the type of in-depth understanding and full truth about Islam one would expect from a prestigious academic institution, one receives a slick dose of propaganda and falsehood about the religion that masquerades as scholarship and an elite education. The irony of pampered elites thinking they are receiving an elite education when they are actually being indoctrinated would be funny if it was not causing such devastation and violence. 

It is not just higher institutions of learning that have been compromised by donations from wealthy Muslims and inherently flawed scholarship. The corruption and deception runs much deeper and includes Muslim financial inroads into the major media corporations, but has much of its roots in what has happened in the academic world. The deceptive presentation of Islam originating in academia is carried into a host of books and documentaries marketed to the general public. After all, if you are producing a special about Islam for the History Channel or Public Broadcasting Service or publishing a book about Islam, where do you go for information? Academia of course just as journalists do. Even the most cursory review of many of the popular books and documentaries about Islam reveal that Islam is as deceptively portrayed to the general public as Islam is deceptively portrayed to unsuspecting students at elite universities.

Truth involves far more than saying what is true. The common law has recognized for centuries that when one speaks in certain settings that one is expected to give the whole truth. The greatest legal minds for centuries have understood that when one speaks on a subject one should not be allowed to deceive by careful omission of key information. A popular way to phrase the sentiment in California law is as follows: "Where one does speak he [or she] must speak the whole truth to the end that he [or she] does not conceal any facts which materially qualify those stated. One who is asked for or volunteers information must be truthful, and the telling of a half-truth calculated to deceive is fraud." By the foregoing standard, most of the books, media presentations and American Presidential statements about Islam and Islamic history perpetrate a fraud upon the public. Much of the material not only deletes the unsavory aspects of Islamic doctrine and history, but they contain outright fabrications intended to deceive. Compounding the problem is the fact that most media sources will not tolerate teachings about Islam or Islamic history that do not adhere to political correctness even if the speaker has the background and credentials that would seemingly impress any audience and even if the Islamic critic limits his or her analysis to merely accurately quoting Islamic doctrine.  Bizarre as it may seem, no one cries foul when radical Muslims read the harshest aspects of Islamic doctrine to mosque attendees, but read them in the context of presenting the doctrines for review to a Western audience and the very same radical Muslim clerics scream like fallen angels at rising time. But what is more peculiar, is that Western leftists join in their criticism.

As a result, a dangerous, false understanding of Islam arises from main stream sources' failure to address any negative information about Muhammad and Islam. When a more realistic source surfaces, it is castigated.  For example, the current film that supposedly has allegedly played a role in the recent attacks on Americans has been viciously attacked by the media. While it is true that the film was poorly made and amateurishly presents Muhammad's story, it is at least mostly correct. Muhammad was in fact a pedophile, mandated war against non believers until, at a minimum, they were subdued and agreed to discriminatory living conditions, had people assassinated for mere criticism of him, authorized his followers to have physical relations with captured women whether married or not, murdered their husbands, sold women and children into slavery, advocated violent robbery of non Muslims, and established a society that is inherently unjust and discriminatory to women and all non Muslims, as well as a society commanded to kill anyone that criticizes Islam or Muhammad. Yet, the story from our news media and government is not that Muhammad was in fact a poor example for Muslims to follow and that it is wrong to kill people for merely pointing out the truth just because a seventh-century war lord and false prophet commanded it. Rather, they blame any messenger that believes it is important to tell the truth about Islam.  Leftists and President Obama even refer to Muhammad as “Prophet” in reverential tones. This bizarre situation is devastatingly harmful not to mention quite at odds with our First Amendment freedoms.  Perhaps if our elites had dared allowed a little better presentation of the actual doctrines mandated by Muhammad, our slaughtered American ambassador might have known what Muhammad said about non Muslims and how they should be treated.

Perhaps being so enlightened he might still be alive today as he would have surly demanded better security arrangements – especially on the anniversary of September 11. But I suspect that his “elite,” but completely naive political and ideological outlook completely prevented him from knowing the following useful information that would have saved his and many other American lives. Mohammed said: "I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, None has the right to be worshiped but Allah, and whoever says, None has the right to be worshiped but Allah, his life and property will be saved by me." (Al Bukhari Vol. 4:196) "Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captives. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. . . ."  (Qur'an 33:26)  The Qur'an states that non-Muslims are: not to be taken as a friend (3:28), confused (6:25), to be Terrorized - "I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."(8:12), to be made war on (9:5 & 29), to be considered unclean (9:28), considered evil and a helper of evil against God (23:97 & 25:55), to be punished (25:77), humiliated (37:18), hated (40:35), to be beheaded (47:4), to be laughed at (83:34), and assumed to be plotting against Muslims (86:15). Finally, as if there could be any doubt based on the foregoing, the earliest biography of Muhammad originating from Ibn Ishaq, a devout Muslim, flatly quotes Muhammad as stating: "Muhammad is the apostle of Allah! Those with him are violent against Unbelievers but merciful to one another…" The Qur'an is in accord: "Muhammad is the apostle of God; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other…" (Qur'an 48:29)

I suspect that our deceased ambassador had no idea that the foregoing material is indisputably contained in Islam’s “holy” book – the Qur’an. Those in the know realize that the Qur’an mandates holy terror, but beyond that there is nothing holy about it.

Because of the foregoing deception advanced by prestigious universities, much of the media, popular books and documentaries, it is hardly surprising that even highly intelligent intellectuals like President Obama have been deceived into accepting a less than realistic and, therefore, dangerous understanding of Islam. When I hear President Obama speak about Islam, it seems obvious to me that while he can see that not all Muslims are violent and that many Muslims no doubt are decent people, but it is completely lost on him that some people actually believe their religion and study it so that when Islamic doctrine commands the horrors we see perpetrated on a daily basis in Islamic countries, it will influence millions and the fact that not all are driven to action by the actual tenets of the religion is hardly a saving grace. Not all Germans were inspired by Nazi ideology either does that mean Nazi ideology was peaceful? If you are full of righteous indignation at this point and asking how dare I compare Islam to Nazi ideology, you are right! It is grossly unfair to the Nazis as Islamic ideology much more clearly advocates the slaughter of Jews than Nazi ideology did. The Nazis and radical Muslims got along quite well in fact and understandably so – both ideologies had much in common and shared the mutual interest of wiping out the Jews.

The false presentation of Islam as a so-called religion of peace because some Muslims are able to practice it peacefully is extremely dangerous.  Did it ever occur to the elites that peaceful Muslims may not even be real Muslims?  It is not as if many of them have a real choice but to pretend to be Muslims given that apostasy is punishable by death under Islamic law. Many peaceful Muslims are simply cultural Muslims who do not believe that the Qur’an should be taken literally. That hardly exonerates real Islamic doctrine that inspires so much terrorism in diverse cultures worldwide given that Islamic doctrine is a cosmopolitan inspiration to terror and violence.

In addition to the massive deception campaign shielding Islam from full view and analysis, another reason that Western nations are having so much difficulty grasping how to both completely understand and properly address Islamic terrorism and events in the Islamic world is the context in which the so-called war on terror and world events are playing out. That context is a broader clash of ideology that encompasses far more than a clash of civilizations.

There are three major ideologies competing for influence in the World today – Secularism, Christianity and Islam. All three ideologies have internal divisions and there are other competing, relatively minor ideologies that add to the overall complexity. Part of the problem the West is having in resisting Islam and in recognizing the degree of the threat posed by Islam is the culture war between the Secular Left and the vestige of Christian culture and Christians remaining within Western society. This cultural war between these Western ideologies is acting much like the conflict between the Byzantine Empire and the Persian Empire in the Seventh Century. It is making both vulnerable to Islam.

In addition to the culture war in the West, the Secular Left (Obama is ultra left-wing ideologically) has developed an ideology with beliefs that have become so strong that they act much like religious belief. Those beliefs are deeply affecting resistance to advancing Islam. One of those beliefs is multiculturalism. At its best, multiculturalism has some great truth to it. It has taught Westerners to appreciate that which can be appreciated in other cultures and to accept that which is acceptable in other cultures. Multiculturalism at its best has helped offset a natural tendency toward unbridled xenophobia.

At its worst, however, multiculturalism has created a situation wherein all facets of other cultures must be accepted no matter how malevolent at risk of great penalty to those who refuse to do so. That penalty for unorthodoxy is ostracism and the label of bigot or racist for refusing to accept any and all foreign cultures and religions as equally worthy.  To claim otherwise is, according to the ultra left, blasphemy and apostasy. Of course, they do not use those words but the reality is the same.

This dark side of multiculturalism results in the elite's refusal to take an appropriate stand against Islam and it colors their analysis of events in the Islamic world and helps advocate a flawed foreign policy. The Secular Left, for example, makes excuses for Islamic treatment of women and other intolerant behavior that it would condemn with violent ferocity if exhibited by Westerners. Multiculturalism makes some Westerners refuse to even admit that Islam raises serious dangers. It forces many to claim that Islam itself is not to be feared. Multiculturalism acts much like the Aztec mythology that led the Aztecs to believe the Spaniards were returning Gods and which allowed the Spaniards to obtain a strategic advantage before the battle lines were ever drawn.

Multiculturalism is having the same effect on Western culture. It is allowing Islam to make major inroads into Western culture and it is hindering the fight against Islam. In fact, it is hindering the recognition of exactly what the enemy is and what drives the enemy. So much so that we are fighting a war on terror and not a war on the religion that drives that terror and which will continue to drive that terror until it is contained. Is it any wonder that under such circumstances that American foreign policy is so misguided?  By the time Westerners realize the degree of the mortal threat presented by Islam, they may well find themselves in the same untenable position as the Aztecs.

Even the suggestion that it is Islam that threatens peace and safety and that it is Islam that we must contain causes many Westerners to cry "bigot." Such a suggestion, you see, is like a heresy to an ideology driven by multiculturalism.

Islam has advanced because of deception and oil money. Left-leaning secularists seized control of a large segment of Western education and, therefore, dominate much of the formal public education that occurs in the West. These Leftists use control of the education system to advance multiculturalism. They have either willingly or deceptively played a role in the re-writing of the history of Islam such that many Westerners have no idea how much destruction and horror the religion has historically caused. Ask many Westerners when Islam and Christianity first came into conflict and many will ignorantly and adamantly swear it was when the "evil West" attacked "peaceful Muslims" during the Crusades. Leftists ignore or rationalize the hundreds of years of assault on Europe and other civilizations by Islamic invaders leading up to the Crusades.

The political Right is at least as blameworthy as the Left for the massive transfer of wealth to the Middle East in exchange for oil. That wealth has given the Islamic world the financial wherewithal to spread Islamic doctrine worldwide. It was nothing more than ignorance as to the nature of Islam that allowed such a massive wealth transfer to occur with little, if any, understanding of the long-term implications. In fact, even when the undisputed evidence revealed that the oil wealth was funding radical Islam within our own borders, very little was done to stop it. Even worse, very little can be done to stop it without amending the Constitution. The First Amendment of the United States Constitution is being used as a weapon against us to shield the spread of an ideology that expressly seeks to undermine our society and the very First Amendment that allows its advance. Leftists will never allow an amendment to the Constitution that would allow anyone to halt the spread of radical Islamic doctrine even though the values advanced by the Left seem quite at odds with Islamic doctrine.

All attempts to contain Islam and resist the terrorism caused by Islamic doctrine takes place in the context of a Western cultural war. Leftists seem more interested in continuing to fight that cultural war and to treat encroaching Islam as a weapon in that cultural war rather than uniting with the vestiges of Christian culture and Christians to defeat an enemy that is a mortal threat to both Western belief systems. The right seems willing to squander vast economic resources fighting flowery wars to keep slightly less Islamic governments in power and which, in the long run, will achieve nothing but, combined with the left's improvident spending, to collapse our nation economically.   Spending six trillion dollars in Iraq and Afghanistan trying to bring “democracy” to those nations was the height of stupidity. You cannot bring democracy or social justice to people whose minds are enslaved to Islam.

In a summary, massive deception and multiculturalism have blinded American elites. It should have been obvious that democracy would lead to disaster in Islamic countries, but our elites are far too blind to what was so obvious to me as set forth in my previous articles. The sad result is that Americans are unnecessarily paying for the elite's misguided foreign policy with their lives. I regret the loss of the American ambassador and my heart goes out to his family, but at least he had a choice. He could have and should have demanded better security. He was negligent for failing to do so. He was negligent because he is one of the typical American elite that will never be able to properly understand the Islamic world. But my heart really breaks for the other Americans killed. Most of them, and perhaps all of them, had no choice and power, but to act as directed by the elite. I see them as sacrificial lambs to multiculturalism and deception. Their Muslim killers see them as noble sacrifice to Allah. But what about the American elite? They will never see or understand that it is their lack of wisdom that is killing Americans and destroying America from within.

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@ Andrew Stunich
written by This is Rami Rustom , September 16, 2012
Multicultruralism is a special case of a more general mistake called Moral Relativism. The reality is that truth (including moral truth) is objective. Moral Objectivism.

Consider this: http://www.settingtheworldtorights.com/node/468

> The Dark Logic Of Moral Equivalence
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> The Anglican Consultative Council, whose President is the Archbishop of Canterbury, has voted to recommend that its member churches divest from businesses that support Israeli “occupation” of the territories. As Melanie Philips said, they did this in response to a report “full of the most inflammatory lies, libels and distortions about Israel”.
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> In an attempt to ward off accusations of bias, they also recommended that churches divest from businesses that support Palestinian violence against innocent Israelis. With this attempt at formal ‘even-handedness’ the Council betrays its moral bankruptcy and ignorance of the situation in Israel and Palestine as much as with anything else in the report. Palestinian terrorist groups try to attack Israelis and fantasise about destroying Israel. So the Israelis run military operations to stop terrorism and take security measures to prevent murderers from coming into Israel.
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> The Council are trying to be neutral between Palestinian terrorists on the one hand and Israel on the other. Their press release illustrates the dark logic of this moral equivalence. In it they do not mention terrorism. Nor do they mention that the Palestinian terrorist groups want to destroy Israel. Nor that their ideologies are based explicitly on wild antisemitic conspiracy theories, and that all the institutions of their society relentlessly transmit these to their children. Nor do they mention that Palestinian terrorist groups regularly murder Palestinians for “collaborating” with Israel, i.e. - for warning Israelis who are in danger of being murdered. However, they do manage to squeeze in a reference to “the draconian conditions of the continuing occupation under which so many Palestinians live.” The Council's problem is that if they wish to remain neutral then they can't mention the agenda or the crimes of Palestinian terrorists. If they did, then they would have to admit that the terrorists are evil and the Israelis are defending themselves from this evil. So they can only mention the Israeli government's security measures while carefully refraining from putting them into context. And so their ‘even-handedness’ leads directly to their one-sided condemnation of Israel. The Church of England has sold its soul for the sake of appearing neutral.
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Andrew
written by abc , September 16, 2012
What a load of right wing garbage.
Glen beck listening, fox news watching, bill o Riley arse kissing redneck hick!
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@ Andrew Stunich - American actions in Iraq and Afganistan
written by This is Rami Rustom , September 16, 2012
> Spending six trillion dollars in Iraq and Afghanistan trying to bring “democracy” to those nations was the height of stupidity. You cannot bring democracy or social justice to people whose minds are enslaved to Islam.

More generally, you should not force democracy on a population that doesn't want it. I'm not claiming that they don't want it but the point is that I don't remember any American politics talking about whether Muslims actually want democracy. Instead American politics talks about whether *America* wants Muslims to have democracy.

And more generally, what is our benefit in a war in Afghanistan or Iraq? I think none. What do you think?

So American policy in Iraq and Afghanistan is based on what? Only their interests? That is altruism. So we are sacrificing ourselves for the benefit of others. Its horrible.

Or is it that Americans think that if we install democracies over there, then our problem of terrorists attacking us will go away. Well what if the democracy elects fundamentalist Muslims? Then terrorism won't stop. They will follow their book like Iran does and attack Israel. In which case we knock them out militarily.

In this hypothetical, do we wait until they attack or do we attack preemptively? Well if they say they want Israel to be wiped off the face of the earth and they have nuclear technology, then I say we attack preemptively. Note that this is the situation in Iran.

So Andrew, what is your suggestion for America? What should we do? Should we have helped Libyan rebels win their civil war? If so, and if their democracy becomes ruled by Islamic fundamentalism, and if they make death threats, do we attack preemptively? Or do you think we should have not intervened in helping Libyan rebels win their war?
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RE abc's analysis
written by Andy Stunich , September 16, 2012
Well abc, I never watch Glen Beck. I do watch Fox and O'Reiley, but I never hear my presentation of Islam from those sources or anything close to it. Instead of a first grade action such as you have presented, why not set forth some facts and proper analysis to try and debunk my analysis. Given my predictions that have come true dos not that at least make you wonder about what I have to say? If what i have written is garbage even though it all came true why not explain to us why that is so? I can tell you that your amateur response simply confirms what I am saying - the American left has been brainwashed!
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@ Andrew Stunich - Xenophobia is not a natural tendency
written by This is Rami Rustom , September 16, 2012
> Multiculturalism at its best has helped offset a natural tendency toward unbridled xenophobia.

There is no such "natural" tendency. Xenophobia is not a fact of human nature. Its a meme (i.e. an idea that replicates from human to human) that has been replicating in human societies for thousands of years. But that doesn't mean that future generations will necessarily have this meme. We can wipe out the meme altogether. And when that happens, would you still call it human nature? I think no. So it you can't call it human nature today either.
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To Mr. Rustom
written by Andy Stunich , September 16, 2012
I do not agree. For most of human history natural xenophobia increased one's chance of not coming into contact with diseases for which one had no built up antibodies. Also, historically, there was much to be feared from strangers and to argue otherwise is folly.
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@ abc
written by This is Rami Rustom , September 16, 2012
abc you have made an unexplained assertion. This is not rational discussion. You have not given the author anything that he can criticize. I mean that you are "criticizing" the author's essay without allowing your "criticism" to be criticized itself.

Instead, I advice that you explain your assertion. Explain why you think the author is wrong. And in doing so, you will be quoting a specific statement in his essay and then you'll give reasons for why you think those specific statements are false.

Additionally, I note that its not useful to discuss things by labeling them as being leftie or rightie. Both sides are heavily biased.

The rational way to start a discussion includes not picking sides before the discussion starts.

If you are questioning Andy's idea about the education system being leftist and his reasons for that, see _The Underground History of American Education_, by John Taylor Gatto. It gives insight into how the education system started and it is consistent with Andy's essay. Note though that Gatto lean heavily to the left; so for example he is anti-capitalistic. Though, even Andy said something that suggest he is anti-capitalistic too.

Note also that the entertainment industry also leans left.
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Andrew
written by abc , September 17, 2012
Is Obama a Muslim? Are you still looking for his birth certificate? Let's look past your shoddy analysis of Islam and let's just look at your analysis of American foreign policy. The neocons and the right have bought America to its knees. Your great dream of full scale spectral dominance is about to come to an end ussr style.
You want to dominate space, air, land and sea. I mean your middle east foreign policy has been one disaster after another. From relations with Iran through to the Iraq invasions. What have you achieved apart from a cheap oil supply.
But you had that already in the form of the Saudi's. A whole generation of Iraqis are going to hate the Americans for what they did.
1000s of Iraqi babies are being born with deformities or still born due to the toxicity of the depleted uranium you left behind. This is not going to go away anytime soon.
You think all those Iraqis hate Americans because if Islam? Think again!





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Andrew
written by abc , September 17, 2012
How's the campaign in Afghanistan going. Will America be the latest empire to crumble under the afgans?
Most afghans before your idiotic invasion had not heard of 9/11.
Yet you landed on them like it was Plymouth rock all over again.
Unlucky for you that the afgans are not like the pilgrims.
Yet the largest most sophisticated killing machine the world has ever know has come to a standstill. I would live to hear your lessons learnt??
You think a generation of afgahans are going to look past the attrocities??

Then comes the best yet. Pakistan
Friend, allies, brothers, enemies, frenemies???
You have not got a clue! This is your most serious problem. Above and beyond all others. They retain the capability to ram an atomic weapon through the front of the whitehouse!
Do you think the Pakistanis hate American policy because they are Muslim??
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written by kope , September 17, 2012
western liberals's foreign policy destrowing the west

conservatives must destroy liberals west to survived
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@ Andy - Xenophobia
written by This is Rami Rustom , September 17, 2012
> I do not agree. For most of human history natural xenophobia increased one's chance of not coming into contact with diseases for which one had no built up antibodies. Also, historically, there was much to be feared from strangers and to argue otherwise is folly.

Xenophonia is a lack of knowledge, namely that strangers aren't necessarily dangerous to my life.

Its like the idea many people have that we should fear aliens. Why should we? They say its because they might want to harm us. But the reality is that aliens that have enough technological knowledge to come to our planet also have advanced moral knowledge too, more advanced than our moral knowledge. So they would be better than us. For example, they would already know the philosophical idea we call Non-zero-sum. This idea is relatively new to human morality but one day it will be universal to all human societies (although it might be 100 years or 1000 years in the future).
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@ abc - Your response to Andy
written by This is Rami Rustom , September 17, 2012
abc you are attacking a straw-man. You have assumed a lot of things about Andy's views that aren't in his essay. For one, you are assuming that Andy's views mimic that of the American Republican party. But his essay doesn't suggest that at all. And your method of assuming he has ideas and then attacking those assumed ideas (aka "attacking a strawman") is not a rational way to have a discussion.

I suggested to you to quote a specific statement of his and to point out the flaw you think it has and an explanation including reasons for why think the flaw is a flaw.
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this mothe$ fcuker OBAMA half brother of OSAMA push america......the embodiment of free conscience......down the drain
written by glad hunter , September 17, 2012
.......wake up americans......world is looking at you.............this mother fcuker arsehole half brother of osanma........need to be shown the door.....and deported to saudi barbaria....where he could seek post retirement full time boot licking job of his arabian masters...........fellow indiaN
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PISSLAM IS DOOMED
written by glad hunter , September 17, 2012
THESE PISSLAMIC PIGS DO NOT DESRVES DEMOCRACY............THEY ARE DOOMED TO BE RULED BY DICTATORS..........EITHER MOHA-MAD (PIG SHIT BE UPON HIM)......OR ANY DICTATOR (PREFERABLY SECULAR)...............THEY HAVE SURRENDERED THEIR CONSCIENCE, THEY ARE BRAIN DEAD JOMBIES.......THEY'LL KEEP DREAMING OF 72 PUSSIES IN PIMP ALLAH'S HELL HOLE..............I WOULD SAY EM,POWER SYRIAN DICTAOR ASSAD.......................................AND NEVER INTERFERE LETS ALLOW THESE ASSHOILES TO KILL THEMSELVES OVER CLAIM AFTER DEATH COMPENSATIONS......HA HA
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written by kope , September 17, 2012
i think civil war in the west could save west from islam
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this is what happens when a AL-TAQYA MUSLIM is policy maker of a state
written by glad hunter , September 17, 2012
india suffered a lot at the hand of DHIMMI GANDHI.............dear americans why are you digging you graves??????????
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Rami
written by abc , September 17, 2012
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@ abc - article you posted
written by This is Rami Rustom , September 17, 2012
abc its important to explain why you posted that article you posted. Whats your point?

I'm guessing that you thought that article was news to me. It wasn't.

Are you suggesting that that article has an explanation that is inconsistent with Andy's article?
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written by Truth , September 17, 2012
If we want to see the truth, see the really begining of that religion before infiltrated by secularism.
Islam is religion of sword and jinn act behave of allah,while Yahwe is not allah.
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American elite, please listen.
written by Worldpeace , September 17, 2012
The American elite should please listen to Andrew, to may save the world.
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American elite, listen to Andrew, it may save the world.
written by Worldpeace , September 17, 2012
Rami, abc, please stop your highoctane polemic. What Andrew has said deserves serious consideration. What American foreign policy becomes from the current Islamic reality may save the world. I you believe are all American and, to me, sophisticated elite. The matter is serious and existential. The world looks up to you.
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The sooner the better
written by Worldpeace , September 17, 2012
Andrew said, "Did it ever occur to the elites that peaceful Muslims may not even be real Muslims". Good question there. Terrorists are not the real enemies of world peace. The enemy is Islam. The sooner the world elite, particularly American, realises this the better. Unfortunately, at the moment, there are few Andrews.
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Stupid US elite
written by The Stategist , September 17, 2012
Aid in removing the ME dictators are causing the US dearly. More chaos are created in ME. It is easier to use the dictators to control these unruly elements. And it is also easy to control the dictators. The US is splurging trillions of USD into the bottomless pit of reforming democracy in Islamic countries n will bankrupt the US treasury. I won't be surprised Pres. Assad is fighting presently the future war for America. The US elite are stubborn fools. Allah's fearless warriors will kill Americans the moments they are off guard.
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Traitors to the sacrificed US soldiers the poor and the tax payers.
written by The Stategist , September 17, 2012
The US Top Guns are traitors to the sacrificed US soldiers, the poor, the homeless, the jobless n the tax payers by pouring trillions of USD into Muslim countries for their blundering policies. What they achieved is more deaths for the Americans.
Is this divine arrangement for them to pay for the karmic debts of bombing Vietnam, Loas n Iraq ?
YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW, my friends.
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America rules
written by xyz , September 17, 2012
All the islamic governments are Pro America. This is the success of America no one can refute.

Bunch of bearded crazy Muslims demonstrating does not effect the super ruler on earth.

Muslims like abc, kope should be removed from kafir lands and send to Islamic paradise such as Afghanistan on deputation for the rest of lives.
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Islam is pure EVIL
written by Becky , September 17, 2012
ISLAM IS PURE EVIL !
ISLAM MUST BE DESTROYED !!
AND ISLAM WILL BE DESTROYED !!!
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@ Becky
written by This is Rami Rustom , September 17, 2012
What do you mean by destroyed? Do you mean kill each and every person that calls himself Muslim?

Or do you mean each and every Muslim will soon realize that his religion is wrong and so he will reject it?
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@ Worldpeace - Polemic
written by This is Rami Rustom , September 17, 2012
> Rami, abc, please stop your highoctane polemic. What Andrew has said deserves serious consideration.

Did you read my posts above? You don't think those posts seriously address Andy's essay?

Note that Andy's essay talks about what we did wrong, but it said absolutely nothing about what we should have done or what we should do now. And my post address this part that Andy left out.

When discussion matters such as these where someone disagrees with an action, its important to say more than just, "Your action X is wrong because of reasons A, B, C." You also should follow it with (assuming you already have ideas on this) "Instead of action X, you should do action Y because of reasons D, E, F." And this is what I was trying to draw out of Andy.
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...
written by vbv , September 17, 2012
Americans have no policy but only greed and self-righteousness , hypocrisy and arrogance. By trying to play "god" they have enkindled only the worst criminal elements. Democracy cannot be imposed from outside by an outsider. It has to grow organically with the people's conscience yearning for enlightenment and freedom of choices. The americans have only replaced brutal autocrats with brutal fundamentalists . They are reaping what they have sowed. Pakistan has always been helped by americans with billions of dollars in aids and grants. Has Pakistan put this money not for the betterment of their own people , but self-enrichment by politicians , bureaucrats and the military , creating disaffection amongst their own people. Further much of this money is used to create jihadi outfits , terrorist-training centers,etc. Much of the jihadis are directed against India , while some vent their hatred for americans and the west. Has Pakistan ever been a democracy truly. What about their close relations with Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar,etc these are by no stretch of imagination democratic. That is how flawed american diplomacy is - flawed, hypocritical driven by greed and narrow self interest.
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USA, a bankrupt country by 2020 ?
written by The Stategist , September 18, 2012
Look at the huge expenditures the US elites spends on war on terror n on world domination. Further burdened by natural disasters n bad weather that affects food production. USA will be a bankrupt country by 2020.
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Rami
written by Malem , September 20, 2012
The two topics - Wests Policies and Islam are seperate discussions although interact with each other. The Wests approach thus far has been to but the friendship of dictators who treated their own people like dogs. No matter the religion people when kicked enough will lash out, hence the demonstrations and uprisings. You see with the advent of the internet, satellite tv and cell phone information can no longer be held back to people see how others are thriving at their sacrifice, not a good mix lad. It just so happens that Africa, Middle East and some of Asia are those beign taken advatange of for Natural Resources (oil, gas, gold, diamonds and drugs). A purchased friend is not a friend but rather a rat who will leaev you once you have no food left to give them
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@ Malem - Taken advantage of
written by This is Rami Rustom , September 21, 2012
Malem, please explain your view of what it means for one country to "take advantage" of another country in the context of free trade (of money for oil, gas, gold, diamonds and drugs).
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Rami
written by MAlem , September 22, 2012
I have ahrd time believing that you are that Naive! I come to your country, I bribe oops I mean support your dicator oops again I mean president with cash for "huminatarian support" then we will setup partnerships with large corporations to come in and exploit your natural resources, as well as your pepole. Sure we wil pay them pennies but we will also charge them fees to eat, sleep and commute to the worksite. Been going on for years, you know it, and I know it. So dont try and make it seem like it doesnt happen. You pay for dictators, you live with the consequences of what that relationship bores. Like trying to make a relationship with a prostitute work, its great until you run out of cash or they get old....
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@ Malem - Taken advantage of
written by This is Rami Rustom , September 22, 2012
> I come to your country, I bribe oops I mean support your dicator oops again I mean president with cash for "huminatarian support"

Could you provide a link of some American person or document saying that America is giving a dictator money for humanitarian support.


> then we will setup partnerships with large corporations to come in and exploit your natural resources,

Why do you call it exploitation rather than trade? What attribute of the trade relationship qualifies it as *exploitation*?


> as well as your pepole. Sure we wil pay them pennies but we will also charge them fees to eat, sleep and commute to the worksite.

Nobody is forcing those workers to work there. This is free trade too. The workers are free to work somewhere else or to go home and not work at all.
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Rami
written by Malem , September 23, 2012
You might want to take your head out of the sand or wherever it is, take a trip to Nigeria and you will see all of the above first hand. Or you can look at the former so called "president" here good old Hosni
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@ Malem
written by This is Rami Rustom , September 23, 2012
Since we're hear now, and since I have no interest to fly to Nigeria just to get a little bit of information, why don't you just explain what it is that you think I would learn by going there.
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Rami
written by Malem , September 24, 2012
You are a marginal Fisherman Rami, but I will not be baited into a useless debate. If you can read, and I will assume you can, just read about Nigeria, or if you like to read about one of the local so called "presidents" read about Hosni. He received millions in "aid" and the west looked the other way when he exploited his own citizens, as long as there was oil and calmness with Israel
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@ Malem
written by This is Rami Rustom , September 24, 2012
> You are a marginal Fisherman Rami, but I will not be baited into a useless debate.

You started the debate, and now you blame me for talking to you? Ridiculous!


> just read about Nigeria, or if you like to read about one of the local so called "presidents" read about Hosni. He received millions in "aid" and the west looked the other way when he exploited his own citizens, as long as there was oil and calmness with Israel.

I've already stated that one of the reasons America paid the arab countries is to stop them from attacking Israel. Now here you are repeating what I already said. I consider peace a good thing. Based on your reply it seems you don't.
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Rami
written by Malem , September 25, 2012
I never blamed you for anything Rami, what I did say was you were playing naive, that is your game and that is fine, I just dont choose to play it lad. I also never said I was opposed to peace, its the opposite and all I have wanted for my brothers here. However paying someone to act peaceful to another never lasts, it is like a relationship with a prostitute. Although I di liek the way you skirted around the topic of exploitation, very well done lad!
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@ Malem
written by This is Rami Rustom , September 25, 2012
> I never blamed you for anything Rami, what I did say was you were playing naive, that is your game and that is fine,

I don't play games in debate. I do serious philosophical discussion. Debate games are for debate societies.


> I just dont choose to play it lad. I also never said I was opposed to peace, its the opposite and all I have wanted for my brothers here. However paying someone to act peaceful to another never lasts, it is like a relationship with a prostitute. Although I di liek the way you skirted around the topic of exploitation, very well done lad!

I did not skirt. You made a claim of exploitation without explanation (you asked me to read randomly on the internet). So I asked you to provide an explanation or at least to point me to something to read that explains your argument so that I could criticize it. But you chose not to do that so I have nothing to criticize. Do you think that I'm supposed to speak on your behalf for your claim of exploitation? I can't read minds.

Clearly you are playing a game and you think that I'm playing. Games are stupid, at least for serious discussion like we're supposed to be doing.

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