Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-NJ) is an Abrahamist. He is also a Catholic. Imam Mohammad Qatanani, who regularly preaches sermons at the Islamic Center of Passaic in New Jersey, is an Abrahamist. He is also a Muslim. Robert Edgar and John Esposito are Abrahamists. Both are Christians; one is a Catholic. Barack Obama may be an Abrahamist, though he doesn’t come right out and say so.
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Abrahamists believe the three great monolithic religions—Judaism, Christianity and Islam—are like peas in a pod. They sprang from the same source; they worship the same God. Does it matter that one reads from the Torah, another from the New Testament, the last from the Qur’an? No! Jew, Christian, Muslim, they all believe in the same things, in the sanctity of life, in peace and toleration.
Does it matter that one celebrates Lent, another the Passover, and the last Ramadan? No, they are brothers under the skin—they are Abrahamists. They get along together. There is more goodwill amongst Abrahamists than there was amongst Mork and Mindy; more than there was amongst the Sons of Katie Elder ten minutes after the shooting started...
Eat your heart out, Bill Maher, and you too, Franklin Graham. We are all Abrahamists, says Robert Edgar. “Aren’t we wonderful?”
So it’s no wonder Bill Pascrell, the Catholic, go to bat for Imam Qatanani, the Muslim? After all, in addition to one being a Catholic and the other a Muslim, they are both Abrahamists.
Qatanani migrated to the United States in 1996 and applied for permanent residency in 1999. He never got a green card. In 2006, the US government started deportation proceedings against him. It seems the Imam had a past. He hadn’t been running guns for the Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight or knitting suicide-bomber belts for Hamas Mouse—nothing that serious—but he had forgotten to mention to immigration authorities that the Israelis had arrested him in 1993 while on a visit to the West Bank.
You mean that old thing? It was a little misunderstanding—a difference in the definition of Abrahamism.
Qatanani was detained for three months. The Israeli Army claimed he belonged to an unauthorized association and provided services for the said association and for being a member of Hamas and acting on its behalf. He was fined, sentenced to three months in the slammer and given a 12-month suspended sentence.
Qatanani forgot to mention the incident when he applied for permanent residency. It happens all the time. Muslims have a tendency to forget things like that. The Department of Homeland Security has been trying to boot him out of the country since 2005.
One would think that with expulsion hanging over his head, he would be more careful with what he said. But he hasn’t been. Some would say he is full of wind. He likes to talk about Palestine. And the First Amendment gives him the right to be as obnoxious as he can.
“We (the Palestinians),” he said, “have a historical and geographical right to the land. We must teach this to the young and our children.”
Actually the Jews were their first and the Palestinians left voluntarily in 1948 and most of those who fled are now dead, many by self-inflicted wounds, and the remaining so-called Palestinians—they range in age up to sixty years—cannot go back to where they have never lived without being an invading force. But this requires a delicacy and a logic that appears beyond the capabilities of a modern-day Palestinian.
The Imam has expressed his admiration of Yusuf al-Qaradawi, has defended the practice of charity for the children of suicide-bombers, rues the day Israel was created and continues to support the Holy Land Foundation.
Among Qatanani’s most famous quotes is this bit of seismic lucidity: “Oh brothers and sisters! On such a day, a human disaster occurred; on 5 and 10, the 15th of May 1948 was the greatest disaster which occurred on the face of the earth. It is what is known today as the Palestinian nabka…the State of Israel was established on the Land of Palestine.”
He also says it was impossible for airliners to destroy the World Trade Center. Here’s a man, who has never heard of Terry and the Pirates acting like he knew something about aviation. But he has a vision of the future worthy of Darth Vader.
“How do you view the world of 2020?” he asks. Then he goes on to say what it will be like. “The majority of people that was declared in the speeches of the politicians, we expect the world to be Muslim from Morocco to China.”
The only thing non-Muslims need to fear, he said, is fear itself—not stonings, not honor killings, not suicide bombers, not halal chicken at McDonalds—but fear itself. “The reason for the spread of Islam,” he said, “is because the West has been bankrupt spiritually and has become looking for about something to fill his spirit and mind.”
Yes, if only the West were more like Islam. A re-born Ku Klux Klan and a new Inquisition would be a start. And what could be better to raise the spirits and fill the minds of the masses than weekly witch hunts with real live witches, firing squads and roadside bombs.
So the Question is: Why would congressman Pascrell – supposedly a God-fearing Catholic – support Qatanani? The Imam has ties to Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhod; he is for a Palestinian right-of-return, for a Grand Caliph stretching from the Atlantic to the Pacific, for Sharia Law.
“If you think you’re gonna fill the collective or personal benefits of human beings, it would not be acceptable outside Sharia,” he said in an ICPC lecture. “Some people will seek to find happiness outside of the Sharia… (this) is the pinnacle of ignorance and…the pinnacle of silliness.”
Ignorance and silliness? So, you know, why! Pascrell is a Catholic? Probably he is; so is John Esposito. And so were the school administrators that fired Thomas Klocek at DePaul University.
Pascrell, Esposito, the DePaul administrators may claim themselves to be Catholics, Abrahamists. Abrahamists, whatever they may mean. But Catholics? Only if there is no difference between Allahu akbar and Jesus saves, between a suicide bomber’s belt and an aspergillum. They must know the Qur’an does not accept Catholics as People of the Book, let alone as Abrahamists. Could it be Pascrell and Esposito are mistaken in their assumptions about Islam? What does the Qur’an say?
Qur’an 5:17 “Verily they are disbelievers and infidels who say, ‘The Messiah, son of Mary, is God’”
Qur’an 5:73 “They are surely disbelievers who blaspheme and say, ‘God is one of three in the Trinity for there is no Ilah (God) except One, Allah. If they desist not from saying this (blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall them---the disbelievers will suffer a painful doom.”
The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost—the Trinity. Surely, Pascrell, being a Catholic, believes in the Trinity. So does Esposito. If they don’t, they are not Catholics.
What they claim themselves to be, Abrahamist or Catholic, only one thing is certain. They are all just opportunist useful idiots of Islam, who will stand tall in support of the most abhorrent Islamist.
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written by HARKAT UL JIHAD EI KAFIROOON , August 04, 2012
never trust these slimy scum of the earth.
they r anti truth and anti humanity.
written by Reed Wilson. , August 04, 2012
What makes you think that way?
written by Archpagan , August 04, 2012
The idea of God's commandants is a spurious one. I believe Hinduism, Buddhism and Sikhism have the same source of spiritual tradition which can be called 'Dharmic' tradition. Dharma is of overriding importance to us. It's even above God. So much so , that atheism is not a big issue with us. I firmly reject Abrahamic spiritual ideas and morality.
written by Reed Wilson. , August 04, 2012
You write "I firmly reject Abrahamic spiritual ideas and morality."
The 'Abrahimic spiritual ideas and morality' which we find around are rejectworthy.
I agree you here.
written by Yibel , August 04, 2012
In Chapter 68, the Pen, Muhammad second revelation, he reveals that his god and the god of the Hebrews and Christians - written about in the Holy Bible - are NOT THE SAME!!!
68:48 "Wait then the judgement of YOUR Lord and do not act like him who was swallowed by the fish when he called out in despair. Had HIS Lord not bestowed on him HIS grace...HIS Lord chose him for his own..."
And neither Muhammad nor this as yet UNNAMED spirit conveying this message know the name of either of these gods - or the name of the man who was swallowed by the fish (nun).
Qur'an 68:1 "I call to witness the Pen and what it writes. Note: Muhammad's god just asked an inanimate object to bolster his credibility by witnessing on his behalf. "You are not a demented madman or possessed."
Muhammad has found a spirit (demon?) who doesn't think he's crazy, but instead actually says he "has an exalted character" (v. 4). According to Aisha, and others, this refers to the fact that Muhammad’s character conformed entirely to the Qur’an (his personal diary) such that he was the living embodiment of its ethos.
written by Abc , August 05, 2012
The god you see in a church nailed to a cross? A blue eyed. Blond haired god?
At least make him look like a Palestinian! A god who wouldn't even have known his europeanised name?
It's a sad sad joke!
written by Reed Wilson. , August 05, 2012
A fourth God is under consideration of Vatican or it may have been materialized already. That is virgin Mary.
Quran told this much earlier. Quran says:
﴾ وَإِذْ قَالَ اللَّـهُ يَا عِيسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ أَأَنتَ قُلْتَ لِلنَّاسِ اتَّخِذُونِي وَأُمِّيَ إِلَـٰهَيْنِ مِن دُونِ اللَّـهِ ۖ قَالَ سُبْحَانَكَ مَا يَكُونُ لِي أَنْ أَقُولَ مَا لَيْسَ لِي بِحَقٍّ ۚ إِن كُنتُ قُلْتُهُ فَقَدْ عَلِمْتَهُ ۚ تَعْلَمُ مَا فِي نَفْسِي وَلَا أَعْلَمُ مَا فِي نَفْسِكَ ۚ إِنَّكَ أَنتَ عَلَّامُ الْغُيُوبِ
"And when God said, 'O Jesus son of Mary, didst thou say unto men, "Take me and my mother as gods, apart from God"?' He said, 'To Thee be glory! It is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it, Thou knowest it, knowing what is within my soul, and I know not what is within Thy soul; Thou knowest the things unseen" 5:116
We all know that Mary was nowhere in the Trinity nor she enjoyed a befitting place in Gospels.
written by Reed Wilson. , August 05, 2012
I am yet to find the Gospel that Jesus referred in Gospel of Mark. It is ironical that there is Gospel of Matthew, of Mark, of Luke and of John and it is one One Gospel. It is same like Father, Son and Ghost are three and one at the same time.
The Iglicia ni Cristo is very close to Islam. They dont believe that Jesus is son of God. They dont have glorified priests also.
written by abc , August 05, 2012
google the word "mariolatry" and you will see how some christians worship the "virgin mary".
In some christian beliefs she is part of the trinity.
Read some of their prayers "hail mary mother of god, blessed thou art amongst all women..........." i used to know the whole prayer off by heart.
If that is not shirk, then i do not know what is.
On the concept of god , then their jewish brethren even say that christians are idolators.
Ask a rabbi, why a jewish person who is on his travels and is close to missing his prayer time is allowed by jewish law to enter a masjid and offer his prayers there. Why is it strictly forbidden in jewish law to even enter a church let alone offer a prayer?
Its amazing to see the christians here attack islam at every oppertunity and yet know very little of their own scripture.
To yibel i say this, read matthew 7:3
“Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4“Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and behold, the log is in your own eye? 5“You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.
written by abc , August 05, 2012
I know for a fact there are many rightous christians out there and to work with them on all issues is the way forward.
However we also have people like schulz and and our writer the "yibel", the nutters on the fringe who would like nothing more than to introduce christian end of days.
Interesting times we live in.
written by Yibel , August 05, 2012
Advocate beheading? YES Qur'an
Own slaves? YES Qur'an & Hadith
Marry his daughter-in-law? YES Qur'an
Approve of prostitution? YES Qur'an & Hadith
Gluttonize? YES Ibn Ishaq
Recommend wife-beating? YES Qur'an & Hadith
Hit his own wife? YES Hadith
Kill prisoners of war? YES Hadith
Advocate suicide attacks? YES Qur'an & Hadith
Kill apostates? YES Qur'an & Hadith
Tell sick persons to heal themselves by drinking camel urine? YES Hadith
Beat children who don’t pray? YES Hadith
Have boys as young as 13-years-old beheaded? YES Hadith
Have eleven wives? (at one time) YES Hadith
Approve of Sex with Minors? YES Qur'an
Lie? YES Qur'an & Hadith
Enslave women and children? YES Hadith & Ibn Ishaq
Stone adulterers to death? YES Hadith
Torture a man out of greed? YES Ibn Ishaq
Steal? YES Qur'an & Hadith
Kill someone for insulting him? YES Qur'an & Hadith
Extort money? YES Qur'an & Hadith
Keep women as sex slaves? YES Qur'an
Force conversions to Islam? YES Qur'an & Hadith
Commit acts of terror? YES Qur'an & Hadith
Kill a woman? YES Biographers
Capture a woman and rape her? YES Hadith
Encourage the rape of women in front of their husbands? YES Hadith (Abu Dawud: 2150)
According to Allah/Muhammad himself - Muhammad is the most "beautiful pattern of conduct" and "example" for mankind to follow! (Qur'an 33:21), as well as the "exalted standard of character" (Qur'an 68:4).
Remove the beam in your own eye - leave Islam!
written by Reed Wilson. , August 05, 2012
When you say yes Quran, show the reference.
You write "Gluttonize? YES Ibn Ishaq". Where did you find Ibn Ishaq? He did not lleave any book to prove his existence. He is found in Tabri and Ibn Hisham who invented him to legitimize their false reports of 200 years back events.
written by Archpagan , August 05, 2012
written by abc , August 05, 2012
All the points have been debated and refuted.
Only Sam shamoun, Ali sina, wiki Islam and our mr khan think they are valid.
Peeing in wind comes to mind.
If you have anything new them lets hear it!
written by Reed Wilson. , August 05, 2012
I may find logic for that. It all become a profession controlled by vested interests. It is like 'oil' politics of these days.
I am bewildered. If I take "Nothing is said to you which had not been said to other apostles before you" as yardstick, the size of Gods message be not more than Quran. Say 400 pages of ordinary page and font size.
When we see Bible, it thrice as big. If you see Jewish Rabbinic writings they are multi-fold. If hadis is believed as part of message the size becomes like Indian Law Diary or what you call it?
When size of message becomes inordinately huge, it becomes confusing. We all are in painful confusion Archapagan.
You gave 'accretions' to my vocabulary. that is the real problem.
Where to find 'three Abrahamic religions? They are lost in weeds.
written by balam , August 05, 2012
written by Reed Wilson. , August 06, 2012
ALL CLAIMS OF JESUS DERIVE FROM HEARSAY ACCOUNTS
No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus. All documents about Jesus came well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings. Although one can argue that many of these writings come from fraud or interpolations, I will use the information and dates to show that even if these sources did not come from interpolations, they could still not serve as reliable evidence for a historical Jesus, simply because all sources about Jesus derive from hearsay accounts.
Hearsay means information derived from other people rather than on a witness' own knowledge.
Courts of law do not generally allow hearsay as testimony, and nor does honest modern scholarship. Hearsay does not provide good evidence, and therefore, we should dismiss it.
The author gives not less than 30 references to support his claim. Onlines sources including epistles of James brother of Jesus and 2nd son of God.
For complete article:
http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm
written by Reed Wilson. , August 06, 2012
written by balam , August 06, 2012
written by Reed Wilson. , August 06, 2012
Yes my dear. If they were little less then only we could take them as insane.
balem, if I dont believe in Jesus Christ I will not be muslim. Quran protects and clarifies position Jesus. Jesus himself said that the one who will come will make his image.
Read any Gospel, you will find Jesus complaining apathy of people. In Quran
فَلَمَّا أَحَسَّ عِيسَىٰ مِنْهُمُ الْكُفْرَ قَالَ مَنْ أَنصَارِي إِلَى اللَّـهِ ۖ قَالَ الْحَوَارِيُّونَ نَحْنُ أَنصَارُ اللَّـهِ آمَنَّا بِاللَّـهِ وَاشْهَدْ بِأَنَّا مُسْلِمُونَ
"And when Jesus became aware of their refusal to acknowledge the truth, he asked: "Who will be my helpers in God's cause?" The white-garbed ones replied: "We shall be [thy] helpers [in the cause] of God! We believe in God: and bear thou witness that we have surrendered ourselves unto Him!
With this relation Allah fondly calls Christians as Nasara. Jews gave them the name as Christians.
written by Aunt Jill , August 06, 2012
written by Yibel , August 06, 2012
After Muhammad took over Yathrib, he had a town to run and several thousand members of his (oc)cult and their wives and children to rule. So, in these chapters, Muhammad is setting up shari'ah, ordering raids, reflecting on past victories (Battle of Badr, booty of Khaybar, etc.) and defeats (Battle of Uhud) and, in general, bucking up the troops by promising more and better spoils of war.
2 The Cow: Muhammad threatens the Jews, calls them names, and blames them for everything imaginable.
8 Spoils of War: Allah/Muhammad gets his cut
3 The Family of 'Imran: v.54, "Allah is the supreme Plotter." Predicted in 2 Thessalonians 2:9
33 The Clans: Allah will surely punish the hypocrites and the idolaters...v.73
60 She That is to be Examined: "Believers, do not make friends with those who have incurred the warth of Allah." v.13
4 The Women: Muslim men - beat your wives v.34
99 The Earthquake: Earth's last convulsion - earth will proclaim her tidings - more last day doom stuff
57 Iron: "Have faith in Allah and his Apostle and give alms..." v.7
47 Muhammad: "When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield strike off their heads..." v.4
13 The Thunder: Alif lam mim ra - the beginning of the knowledge of evil
55 The Beneficent: It is Ar-Rahman (the Babylonian god of thunder) who has taught the Qur'an v.1
76 Time or Man: "They shall be attended by boys graced with eternal yout and drink from a fountain called Salsabil." v.15
65 Divorce: and pedophilia v.4
98 The Clear Proof: "The People of the Book and the pagans will burn forever in the fire of hell." v.6
59 Exile: "The spoils taken from the towh-dwellers and assigned by Allah to the Apostle shall belong to Allah, to the Apostle and his kinfolk,..." v.7
written by Yibel , August 06, 2012
24 Light: "An-Nur (one of the fifty names of the Babylonian high god Marduk/Bel/Ba'al meaning Lord) is the light of the heavens and the earth." v.35
22 The Pilgrimage: all about tripping to hajj
63 The Hypocrites: "They are the enemy." v.3
58 She That Disputeth or Pleads: More legal stuff and "Those that oppose Allah and his Apostle shall be brought low." v.20
49 The Private Apartments: More rules - and be sure to Knock before entering the Prophet's chambers and mind your manners around Allah's Apostle, or else!
66 Banning: Quranic sura to get Muhammad out of a tight spot when he's caught having sex with a wife's servant - on her day, no less!
64 Mutual Disillusion, or Day of Cheating v.9 Muhammad's faithful followers will cheat others out of their rightful places in Allah's Brothel in the Sky.
61 The Ranks or Battle Array: "...fight for His (Muhammad/Allah) cause in ranks as firm as a mighty edifice." v.4 It is in this chapter that the Qur'an claims that Isa/Esau (an unknown person) predicts that someone named "Ahmad" will be sent.
62 Friday, The Day of Congregation: "Jews are like donkeys laden with books" v.5
This chapter is to be read each Friday. Over and over and over, ad nauseam!
48 Victory: "Allah has promised you rich booty and has given you this with all promptness." v.20 (refers to spoils taken at Khaybar)
5 The Table Spread: "Believers, take neither the Jews nor Christians as your friends." v. 51
9 Repentance or Punishment: "Believers, do not befriend your fathers or brothers if they choose unbelief..." v.23 Chapter contains many calls to arms and jihad.
110 Succour: "Give glory to At-Tawwab The Ever Returning, Ever Relenting and seek his pardon." Then Muhammad died - his throat burning, like Allah had slit his jugular vein. Apparently, Muhammad had committed Shirk!
written by balam , August 06, 2012
written by balam , August 06, 2012
written by Kafirwala , August 06, 2012
'Then Muhammad died - his throat burning, like Allah had slit his jugular vein. Apparently, Muhammad had committed Shirk!'
I could not understand the full import of your above statements. Will you please clarify?
What I have read is that Mo had a massive heart attack while attempting to have sex with his favorite and youngest wife Aisha and he died instantaneously. In fact, he was sick and undergoing treatment while his carnal instincts took the better of him and he tried to indulge in intercourse with Aisha which resulted in complete tragedy. ( I still can't figure out why Allah was so cruel to him on his death- bed. He was mercilessly denied his last carnal pleasure in this world.) It seems his penis was fully erect and pointing skyward when he died and no body tried to bend his organ before rigor mortis set in and his penis standing erect like a flagpole in the midst of his dead body caused a lot of embarrassment to his close associates and friends while conducting his funeral. I hope you will be able to throw some light on his death and funeral.
written by Yibel , August 07, 2012
When the Quran was finally collated into book form under Caliph Uthman, the surahs were arranged from longest to shortest with no connection whatever to the order in which they were revealed or to their themes/content. By placing the surahs in a basically random order, the real intent is obscured. In order to find out what the Quran says on a given topic, it is necessary to examine the other Islamic sources that give clues as to when in Muhammad’s lifetime the revelations occurred. For example, the Makkan surahs came at a time when Muhammad was vulnerable, and they are are generally benign. At this time he was trying to unite all the Arab clans under one banner - HIS - by convincing them verbally that all the gods were really just different names for one supreme god - the Stone of the Ka'aba.
The principle of abrogation - al-naskh wa al-mansukh (the abrogating and the abrogated) - states that verses revealed in Madinah “abrogate” i.e., cancel and replace the earlier ones whose instructions they may contradict. The Quran itself lays out the principle of abrogation in 2:106: "Whatever a verse (revelation) do We {Allah} abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allah is able to do all things?"
Surah 2 was the 87th revelation and the first to be revealed in Madinah
written by balam , August 07, 2012
written by Reed Wilson. , August 07, 2012
How do you get that 'chronological order'?
Surahs are independent of any context.
written by Yibel , August 07, 2012
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/chrono.htm
I do not understand the following:
"like abc{AL-QUIDA} and IQRA WISON.Is MUKKAR also not one of the names of Allah,which Muslims act on most?" Are you referring to:
Al-Mu'akhkhir The Delayer, He Who Puts Far Away 71:4. Islamic scholars insist that Allah has ninety-nine names. All of those Allahs lived only within the boundaries of Arabia, Syria, Canaan, Mesopotamia/ Babylonia/Iraq - within the geographic knowledge of Muhammad.
written by Yibel , August 10, 2012
"The author (Jim Walker) gives not less than 30 references to support his claim.
Onlines sources including epistles of James brother of Jesus and 2nd son of God. For complete article: http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm "
This author's thesis is refuted - point by point - at
http://www.britneyisdead.com/YesJesusExisted.html
"Hearsay does not provide good evidence, and therefore, we should dismiss it."
GOOD!!! Now we can dismiss ALL of the Qur'an, the aHadith, etc. because it was ALL from hearsay evidence written down long after a supposed person called Muhammad supposedly lived and died.
Thank you, Reed Wilson, for this statement. At last we can rid the world of the worst piece of literature ever written - bar none - and consign it to the garbage bin along with the cat litter where it belongs.
RW claims to have been a Christian for 65 years - but is no more knowledgeable about Christianity than he is about Islam.
written by Reed Wilson. , August 10, 2012
You waited so so long for 'this statement'. It's OK Yibel. It is nothing as we say walang inuman.
"RW claims to have been a Christian for 65 years - but is no more knowledgeable about Christianity than he is about Islam."
It is nothing unusual. It is possible and it happens. You are not telling me your 'real' Christianity.
My belief is different. I conclude that muslims are found in all religious communities of Hindus, Jews, Christians, Muslims and in the communities not known to me.
Whosoever obeys commandments of God, he is a muslim.
I dont know their exact intentions. I dont want to doubt them either. However, there are political, professional vested interests.
God knows their intentions fully well.