Muslims around the world believe that Muhammad was an illiterate man; that he was not able to read or write. Allah also claims the same, rather proudly, in the Quran. Yet, there is strong evidence against this assertion.
I have shown in previous work that Muhammad was in fact able to read and write.
Muslims do not seem to read reliable historical Islamic sources; else they will believe that Muhammad was indeed able to read and write if he wanted to. He just did not like to do much of that. The Prophet's biography (Sirat) of Ibn Hesham (translated by Mohammad Mahdi al-Shariff, Dar Al-kotob Al-Ilmiyah, Lebanon, 2006) seems to support the view that Muhammad was a literate man. On page 41 we read the following:
The messenger of Allah (PBUH), himself narrated this story as follows: (Gabriel came to me carrying a carpet of silk as I was sleeping within which there was a book and said to me: “Read.”
I said: “I never read.”
He compressed me with it so strongly that I thought it to be the death.
Then, he let me and said again: “Read.”
I said also: “I never read.”
He compressed me with it once again so strongly that I thought it to be the death.
He let me and said: “Read.”
I said this time: “What can I read?”
He said: “Read in the name of your lord who has created; created man from leech; read and your lord is the most bounteous; who taught people with the pen. Taught man what he did never learn before.”
I read it myself; and he went away. Awoke of my sleep, I found it as if it were written within my heart.
I got out to the middle of the mountain where I heard a voice coming from the sky sounding: “Oh Mohammad, you are the messenger of Allah, and I am Gabriel!”
I raised my head up to the sky and found him in a shape of a man with his feet covering the horizons. I became fixed, not be able to move forward or backward. Everywhere I turned my head away from seeing him, I found him standing up as he was. He said again: “Oh Mohammad, you are the messenger of Allah, and I am Gabriel!”
Above quote from Ibn Hesham shows that Muhammad was in fact able to read. There are two reasons to my contention:
- First, I underlined in blue two statements by Muhammad showing that he was able to read. When someone asks you ‘What can I read’, there is an implied assumption that that person can read. Also, when Muhammad himself says ‘I read it myself’, aren’t we supposed to take this statement as evidence that he was able to do some reading?
- Second, Allah sends Gabriel to Muhammad and the first thing that Gabriel utters is ‘Read’. If an all-knowing Allah did not know that Muhammad was able to read, would he send a message to ‘Read’ to start with?
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written by duh_swami , April 21, 2010
HMM...I don't put much faith in Mohammads hallucinations, no matter how he worded them...However I don't think he was illiterate...On his death bed he asked for writing materials to write his final instructions...My questions would be, when did he become literate, just exactly what was he reading, how literate was he really, and who taught him to read and write? I read somewhere that it was his good buddy Zayd Nufail (sp?) who may have taught him...I also read where Mohammad's early ambition was to be a poet...I would suppose that reading and writing would be essential...
written by kabir , April 22, 2010
whether muhammad was technically able to read or write should not matter as such. What we have to consider here is that he had a psychopathic and restless mind. People with such abnormalities never successfully build concentration to read and neither are they capable of building a systematic chain of thoughts to write. They can only utter insane and disjointed verses and rely on someone else to document and them in some sense and order . And that,s what koran is.
written by Machmoed , April 22, 2010
If he ever existed, he deffinately could read. The reason that islam made him illiterate is because of the prophecy in the bible of the paraclete who only will say what he hears etc. The arabs used the prophecy in the bible to convince Christians and jews (not all). Besides, he was the most important merchant of Khadija and why would she choose him if he couldn’t read and write. It’s not logical at all.
written by arp , April 22, 2010
I don't know whether Pedo Mo was Illiterate or Not, But I am sure , he was a rapist,thief,murderer, Daughter In law Fker,Bandit and a thug.
written by proudest_kafir , April 22, 2010
the most important quality of the rapist was that he was a child fcuker.Please don't insult rasool and moslems by leaving out the quality you find in rasool and moslems.Child screwing.Moslem scum bags all over the world want to emulate the child fcuker and such quality has to precede every other trait of rasool and moslems.
written by Reed Wilson , April 22, 2010
To Ibn Kammuna. I am surprised to observe that you have quoted Ibn Hesham to prove your claim. Hesham is said to have edited and abridged the so called book of Ibn Ishaq about sixty years after the death of Ishaq, in 828 AD.
As a matter of fact the original Ibn Ishaq was never found or it was non existent.
The baseless story of first revelation is from Bukharis hadith, allegedly narrated by Aisha, said to be a wife of Mohammad.
Again on the basis of Hadis, Aisha was nowhere at the time of first revelation.
Moreover, why should Gabriel say ‘read’ when he didn't bring any reading material with him? What to read?
The baseless sources will downgrade the quality of your articles.
Schooling had never been a consideration for the messengers of God.
As a matter of fact the original Ibn Ishaq was never found or it was non existent.
The baseless story of first revelation is from Bukharis hadith, allegedly narrated by Aisha, said to be a wife of Mohammad.
Again on the basis of Hadis, Aisha was nowhere at the time of first revelation.
Moreover, why should Gabriel say ‘read’ when he didn't bring any reading material with him? What to read?
The baseless sources will downgrade the quality of your articles.
Schooling had never been a consideration for the messengers of God.
written by duh_swami , April 22, 2010
Reed...Moreover, why should Gabriel say ‘read’ when he didn't bring any reading material with him? What to read?
How do you know Gabriel brought no reading material with him? He may have brought whole libraries and just didn't tell you
Reed...Again on the basis of Hadis, Aisha was nowhere at the time of first revelation.
Well where was she then...If you tell me she didn't exist I will be broken hearted
How do you know Gabriel brought no reading material with him? He may have brought whole libraries and just didn't tell you
Reed...Again on the basis of Hadis, Aisha was nowhere at the time of first revelation.
Well where was she then...If you tell me she didn't exist I will be broken hearted
written by Ibn kammun , April 22, 2010
Here is the right revelation:
Gabriel asked Muhammad to read thrice, and thrice Muhammad refused to read.
Gabriel got fed up and said: "Muhammad, I bet you won't pass your High school diploma exams this year."
Hehehe..I hope you had a good laugh
Cheers
Gabriel asked Muhammad to read thrice, and thrice Muhammad refused to read.
Gabriel got fed up and said: "Muhammad, I bet you won't pass your High school diploma exams this year."
Hehehe..I hope you had a good laugh
Cheers
written by Just a girl , April 22, 2010
"Besides, he was the most important merchant of Khadija and why would she choose him if he couldn’t read and write. It’s not logical at all."
Logic and Islam hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Logic and Islam hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
written by Tanstaafl jw , April 22, 2010
........ but not comprehend.
written by Reed Wilson , April 23, 2010
To Machmoed. Who Khadija? I know that the messenger could read and write.
written by Reed Wilson , April 23, 2010
To duh-swami. You write "He may have brought whole libraries and just didn't tell you". Yes, it does not state that.
"Well where was she then...If you tell me she didn't exist I will be broken hearted". According to same Bukhari which introduces Aisha, She was not existing at the time of first revelation. May be she was on somee other planet. I am sorry to disappoint you. It is like that. One requires hundreds of lies to cover up one lie.
"Well where was she then...If you tell me she didn't exist I will be broken hearted". According to same Bukhari which introduces Aisha, She was not existing at the time of first revelation. May be she was on somee other planet. I am sorry to disappoint you. It is like that. One requires hundreds of lies to cover up one lie.
written by Pugo , April 23, 2010
Would appreciate if you could use your muslim name instead of doing Tauqqiya using a
christian name.
christian name.
written by duh_swami , April 23, 2010
Well, just exactly when was the first revelation? Do you have a date for that? Maybe Aisha had not been born yet...Not being born early in Mohammad's career does not negate her existence...
Who was khadija? You know perfectly well who Khadija was...why do you play dumb?...
Reed...You do understand that even if all the hadith are fake, and all the characters in it are fake, if Mohammad was ever a live person, walking and talking on the planet, he had a family...He had friends, he had a life...You would think that someone would record his 'real life'...apparently, according to you, no one thought enough of him to do that, but later invented a bunch of lies called Ahadith...There should then be two histories, one fake, one real...
So Reed, what was the real personal history of the Prophet? Do you know anything about it at all?
Who was khadija? You know perfectly well who Khadija was...why do you play dumb?...
Reed...You do understand that even if all the hadith are fake, and all the characters in it are fake, if Mohammad was ever a live person, walking and talking on the planet, he had a family...He had friends, he had a life...You would think that someone would record his 'real life'...apparently, according to you, no one thought enough of him to do that, but later invented a bunch of lies called Ahadith...There should then be two histories, one fake, one real...
So Reed, what was the real personal history of the Prophet? Do you know anything about it at all?
written by Apostate , April 23, 2010
Reed, you are spot on in pointing out Muhammad was asked to "read from what"?
Did Gabriel bring a book with him, or written material on papyrous/perchment?
The word "read" here obviously meant "recite".
In his death-bed, his asking for pen and paper does not mean that he was going to write himself. He probably wanted to say things for writing down by one of those present.
Did Gabriel bring a book with him, or written material on papyrous/perchment?
The word "read" here obviously meant "recite".
In his death-bed, his asking for pen and paper does not mean that he was going to write himself. He probably wanted to say things for writing down by one of those present.
written by duh_swami , April 23, 2010
From above...Did Gabriel bring a book with him, or written material on papyrous/perchment?
What is being overlooked is Allah's miraculous nature...If Allah wanted Gabriel to show up in a 1993 Ford truck filled with reading material, that's what would happen...The story does not address physical reading material, it does not deny it either...If Allah wanted Mohammad to recite rather than read, he should have said so...All he did was further confuse Mohammad, who according to all reports was confused enough already...
What is being overlooked is Allah's miraculous nature...If Allah wanted Gabriel to show up in a 1993 Ford truck filled with reading material, that's what would happen...The story does not address physical reading material, it does not deny it either...If Allah wanted Mohammad to recite rather than read, he should have said so...All he did was further confuse Mohammad, who according to all reports was confused enough already...
written by Reed Wilson , April 23, 2010
To Duh swami. You ask “Do you have a date for that? No. It is not needed. For me it is the date I received the message. Where I received it is the place of first revelation. 'Scholars' are trying to complicate a simple thing and are involving people in non issues.
Aisha Khadija etc are the names found in history or hadis, are may be or may not be. Allah tells me that the messenger had more than one wives. I know that. I don't bother to know the exact number of them, names and their ages. Tell me why should I need that information?
‘Walking talking and friends’ eating habits etc, I don't know of the other messengers of Allah also and I am fine without that.
Regarding bunch of lies of ahadith Allah discourages to have faith on those stories. I quote 12:111. كَانَ فِي قَصَصِهِمْ عِبْرَةٌ لِأُولِي الْأَلْبَابِ ۗ مَا كَانَ حَدِيثًا يُفْتَرَىٰ وَلَٰكِنْ تَصْدِيقَ الَّذِي بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ وَتَفْصِيلَ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ وَهُدًى وَرَحْمَةً لِقَوْمٍ يُؤْمِنُونَ [١٢:١١١]
"There is, in their stories, instruction for men endued with understanding. It is not a fabricated Hadith, but a confirmation of what went before it, - a detailed exposition of all things, and a guide and a mercy to people who believe.
Aisha Khadija etc are the names found in history or hadis, are may be or may not be. Allah tells me that the messenger had more than one wives. I know that. I don't bother to know the exact number of them, names and their ages. Tell me why should I need that information?
‘Walking talking and friends’ eating habits etc, I don't know of the other messengers of Allah also and I am fine without that.
Regarding bunch of lies of ahadith Allah discourages to have faith on those stories. I quote 12:111. كَانَ فِي قَصَصِهِمْ عِبْرَةٌ لِأُولِي الْأَلْبَابِ ۗ مَا كَانَ حَدِيثًا يُفْتَرَىٰ وَلَٰكِنْ تَصْدِيقَ الَّذِي بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ وَتَفْصِيلَ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ وَهُدًى وَرَحْمَةً لِقَوْمٍ يُؤْمِنُونَ [١٢:١١١]
"There is, in their stories, instruction for men endued with understanding. It is not a fabricated Hadith, but a confirmation of what went before it, - a detailed exposition of all things, and a guide and a mercy to people who believe.
written by Reed Wilson , April 23, 2010
duh swami. You say "If Allah wanted Mohammad to recite rather than read, he should have said so...All he did was further confuse Mohammad, who according to all reports was confused enough already...
I understand and feel that it is hadith which has confused all of us. It is amalushaitan. Eliminate hadis and see. Everything is clear.
I am sorry for all of you. But you are responsible for the confusion. Why you believed hadith as divine. Now bear the consequences.
I understand and feel that it is hadith which has confused all of us. It is amalushaitan. Eliminate hadis and see. Everything is clear.
I am sorry for all of you. But you are responsible for the confusion. Why you believed hadith as divine. Now bear the consequences.
written by duh_swami , April 23, 2010
To Duh swami. You ask “Do you have a date for that? No. It is not needed.
No, of course not...No dates are needed...We can all do with no dates and no details...why fill up an empty head? An empty head is good eh Reed?
I mean, why clutter your inner landscape with historic details about your Prophet...No need for that in the religion of Wilsonism...Reed, are you accepting disciples, I bet there are lots of empty headed Islamic sectarians who would be happy to join you...
You know about as much about Mohammad as Americans do about Barack Obama...The two men with no past who just suddenly appear out of no where...Mohammad the Prophet, mystery man #1...and Obama, mystery man #2...messiah, or Dajjal...Or there is a remote possibility that he is Mahdi, but I doubt it because Obama is Sunni...You know one of those sectarians who are guilty of shirk...
No, of course not...No dates are needed...We can all do with no dates and no details...why fill up an empty head? An empty head is good eh Reed?
I mean, why clutter your inner landscape with historic details about your Prophet...No need for that in the religion of Wilsonism...Reed, are you accepting disciples, I bet there are lots of empty headed Islamic sectarians who would be happy to join you...
You know about as much about Mohammad as Americans do about Barack Obama...The two men with no past who just suddenly appear out of no where...Mohammad the Prophet, mystery man #1...and Obama, mystery man #2...messiah, or Dajjal...Or there is a remote possibility that he is Mahdi, but I doubt it because Obama is Sunni...You know one of those sectarians who are guilty of shirk...
written by Reed Wilson , April 23, 2010
Yes apostoo, you understood right. For me it has never been a problem because I don’t consider hadith even worth trash.
Did you see the death bed hadith? How it nullifies all those hadiths which prove him to be illiterate! Good, you have read that hdith. If people read all hadiths, they will find that hadith cancels hadith and nothing remains.
I feel relieved by reading your post. Thanks
Did you see the death bed hadith? How it nullifies all those hadiths which prove him to be illiterate! Good, you have read that hdith. If people read all hadiths, they will find that hadith cancels hadith and nothing remains.
I feel relieved by reading your post. Thanks
written by Reed Wilson , April 23, 2010
To Apostate: To apostate. I was wondering that someone of you might quote following verse which I submit:
وَمَا كُنْتَ تَتْلُو مِنْ قَبْلِهِ مِنْ كِتَابٍ وَلَا تَخُطُّهُ بِيَمِينِكَ ۖ إِذًا لَارْتَابَ الْمُبْطِلُونَ [٢٩:٤٨]
"And before this you were not reciting a book or writing with your right hand. In that case, indeed, the talkers of vanities would have doubted".
وَمَا كُنْتَ تَتْلُو مِنْ قَبْلِهِ مِنْ كِتَابٍ وَلَا تَخُطُّهُ بِيَمِينِكَ ۖ إِذًا لَارْتَابَ الْمُبْطِلُونَ [٢٩:٤٨]
"And before this you were not reciting a book or writing with your right hand. In that case, indeed, the talkers of vanities would have doubted".
written by Demsci , April 23, 2010
It's always the same with Reed, asking for evidence or else rejecting/ downgrading articles, which seems a scientific way of him. Discarding the Hadiths, as being not divine. But also discarding this massive amount of historic evidence, even if imperfect, as still very valuable.
But just when you think, oh, Reed must be agnostic, he confesses he doesn't know anything, you hear from him that he has received a message, through the Quran, through "The messenger", from Allah and that he believes this message wholeheartedly.
But because of what? A. Scientific, logical evidence, which he demands himself from others at every turn? or B. Irrational love for Islam, Quran, some "feeling" he trusts and follows?
I think he should use the same standards he demands from others on his own Quranic beliefs. Or vice versa, respect and believe the convictions of other people just as he believes his own.
But just when you think, oh, Reed must be agnostic, he confesses he doesn't know anything, you hear from him that he has received a message, through the Quran, through "The messenger", from Allah and that he believes this message wholeheartedly.
But because of what? A. Scientific, logical evidence, which he demands himself from others at every turn? or B. Irrational love for Islam, Quran, some "feeling" he trusts and follows?
I think he should use the same standards he demands from others on his own Quranic beliefs. Or vice versa, respect and believe the convictions of other people just as he believes his own.
written by Reed Wilson , April 24, 2010
For Demsci. "It's always the same with Reed, asking for evidence or else rejecting/ downgrading articles, which seems a scientific way of him. Discarding the Hadiths, as being not divine. But also discarding this massive amount of historic evidence, even if imperfect, as still very valuable".
Yes he does that. He is trained like that :"And pursue not that of which you have no complete knowledge; for every act of hearing, or of seeing or of aspiring by hear and mind will be questioned" Quran 17:36.
Choose among A and B.
"I think he should use the same standards he demands from others on his own Quranic beliefs. Or vice versa, respect and believe the convictions of other people just as he believes his own". Yes, he should.
Yes he does that. He is trained like that :"And pursue not that of which you have no complete knowledge; for every act of hearing, or of seeing or of aspiring by hear and mind will be questioned" Quran 17:36.
Choose among A and B.
"I think he should use the same standards he demands from others on his own Quranic beliefs. Or vice versa, respect and believe the convictions of other people just as he believes his own". Yes, he should.
written by Demsci , April 24, 2010
Thanks, Reed, for your nice reaction.
I admit I am puzzled by you. You are so unique. I appreciate you listening to me and you even agreeing to what I said, in contrast to what we here at Islam Watch encounter with so many other Muslims (if you are indeed a Muslim).
I appreciate the civil language you always use, even when less than civil language is used against you. I don;t know, in a way it shows your humble and modest attitude, as if you go for the contents in preference to the tone of a discussion, I admire that.
All the best to you and yours, Demsci.
I admit I am puzzled by you. You are so unique. I appreciate you listening to me and you even agreeing to what I said, in contrast to what we here at Islam Watch encounter with so many other Muslims (if you are indeed a Muslim).
I appreciate the civil language you always use, even when less than civil language is used against you. I don;t know, in a way it shows your humble and modest attitude, as if you go for the contents in preference to the tone of a discussion, I admire that.
All the best to you and yours, Demsci.
written by duh_swami , April 24, 2010
Reed...Did you see the death bed hadith? How it nullifies all those hadiths which prove him to be illiterate! Good, you have read that hadith. If people read all hadiths, they will find that hadith cancels hadith and nothing remains.
Faulty logic in this case Reed...Mohammads life did not happen all in one day...
He may have been literate at the time of his death, and illiterate earlier in his life...
Rather than canceling each other out, one hadith is the extension of the other...One verifies the other, not cancels it...All hadith having to do with Mohammads literacy taken together, just mean that at one time he was illiterate, but later learned to read and write, at least some...The same thing happened to you...
Faulty logic in this case Reed...Mohammads life did not happen all in one day...
He may have been literate at the time of his death, and illiterate earlier in his life...
Rather than canceling each other out, one hadith is the extension of the other...One verifies the other, not cancels it...All hadith having to do with Mohammads literacy taken together, just mean that at one time he was illiterate, but later learned to read and write, at least some...The same thing happened to you...
written by Reed Wilson , April 24, 2010
Thank you Demsci. ‘You are so unique’. I were not, if more people followed their respective books (I think). The message is supposed to be the same to all people. Why should there be different messages from the common authority?
I have seen some reactions which you refer. I don’t think we have a right to be acrid and bitter. Allah doesn't allow this even to his messenger. See 88:22 “You are not one to manage their affairs”. They are irritated to see the mirror. The irritants come from the so called Islamic literature for which only the so called muslims should be blamed.
I rather enjoy my stay with Islam watch. It is a unique experience to exchange views with the crowd of different disciplines. Hard core clergies often puzzle me. Clement is not seen for sometime!
Good luck
I have seen some reactions which you refer. I don’t think we have a right to be acrid and bitter. Allah doesn't allow this even to his messenger. See 88:22 “You are not one to manage their affairs”. They are irritated to see the mirror. The irritants come from the so called Islamic literature for which only the so called muslims should be blamed.
I rather enjoy my stay with Islam watch. It is a unique experience to exchange views with the crowd of different disciplines. Hard core clergies often puzzle me. Clement is not seen for sometime!
Good luck
written by Reed Wilson , April 24, 2010
Duh-swami you write “No, of course not.. No dates are needed...We can all do with no dates and no details...why fill up an empty head? An empty head is good eh Reed? Not always duh. There are cases, rather in most of the cases dates and time are necessary. That is why we have calendars and watches.
Here, the revelation of Quran was under discussion. Shall we not follow Quran because there is no date on it? Quran is not newspaper. No scripture is newspaper. It is for the whole life.
Disciples! Nobody knows me. I don’t say anything other than Quran. People should be disciples of Allah alone. He says in 10:35 that “I only should be followed”. Making disciples would be disobedience to my lord whom I have to meet and answer.
Knowing Mohammad has been a hot topic. Didn’t Allah tell that he was his messenger? Not more than a counsel. Not a manager. In 33:40 it is said that Mohammad is the Messenger of Allah, and the last of apostles of Allah. This much information about Mohammad is sufficient for me and should be enough for all. Moreover they can not get any more reliable information from any other source.
Yes sir, belonging to any sect is Shirk. If one has any thing to follow other than the Quran, he is doing Shirk. See 30:30-32. I will revert to this topic if needed.
I hope I answered your curiosity.
Here, the revelation of Quran was under discussion. Shall we not follow Quran because there is no date on it? Quran is not newspaper. No scripture is newspaper. It is for the whole life.
Disciples! Nobody knows me. I don’t say anything other than Quran. People should be disciples of Allah alone. He says in 10:35 that “I only should be followed”. Making disciples would be disobedience to my lord whom I have to meet and answer.
Knowing Mohammad has been a hot topic. Didn’t Allah tell that he was his messenger? Not more than a counsel. Not a manager. In 33:40 it is said that Mohammad is the Messenger of Allah, and the last of apostles of Allah. This much information about Mohammad is sufficient for me and should be enough for all. Moreover they can not get any more reliable information from any other source.
Yes sir, belonging to any sect is Shirk. If one has any thing to follow other than the Quran, he is doing Shirk. See 30:30-32. I will revert to this topic if needed.
I hope I answered your curiosity.
written by duh_swami , April 24, 2010
Reed...People should be disciples of Allah alone.
I don't think so...Who's Allah and why should I worship him? What did he ever do for me?
I don't think so...Who's Allah and why should I worship him? What did he ever do for me?
written by duh_swami , April 24, 2010
Reed...Yes sir, belonging to any sect is Shirk. If one has any thing to follow other than the Quran, he is doing Shirk.
You just shot yourself in the foot again..again, and again...
The Quran is not Allah...If you follow Quran, you are a shirker and a sectarian.
Only Allah should be followed...Not some book...You make the same mistake some Christians make..The Bible/Quran is a road sign, pointing to Jesus/Mohammad, who themselves are roadsigns pointing to the Kingdom of Heaven/Paradise...The mistake is that Muslims/Christians fall in love with the road signs, get stuck, and never get to the goal...You don't need the Quran any more than you need hadith...Do you know how to pray? Do you know when to fast? Do you donate to the needy? Do you know the difference between right and wrong? If you have these things you don't need Islam, or it's main book the Quran...They are like chains around your neck...
You just shot yourself in the foot again..again, and again...
The Quran is not Allah...If you follow Quran, you are a shirker and a sectarian.
Only Allah should be followed...Not some book...You make the same mistake some Christians make..The Bible/Quran is a road sign, pointing to Jesus/Mohammad, who themselves are roadsigns pointing to the Kingdom of Heaven/Paradise...The mistake is that Muslims/Christians fall in love with the road signs, get stuck, and never get to the goal...You don't need the Quran any more than you need hadith...Do you know how to pray? Do you know when to fast? Do you donate to the needy? Do you know the difference between right and wrong? If you have these things you don't need Islam, or it's main book the Quran...They are like chains around your neck...
written by hamzaalii , April 24, 2010
Allah said Hazrat Muhammad(P.B.U.H.) to read ,to show people like you that He is the one who can make anything possible.The One (P.B.U.H.) who do not know how to read starts reading due to Allah's blessings.He can make anything possible, a blind can see i He wants.a rich can become poor(like ur case ) or vice versa.
he can give u ur life or take it from you .He do whatever He wishes.
he can give u ur life or take it from you .He do whatever He wishes.
written by duh_swami , April 24, 2010
From post above...The One (P.B.U.H.) who do not know how to read starts reading due to Allah's blessings.He can make anything possible...
It's no miracle...If Mohammad learned to read and write he did it like everyone else...someone taught him...Probably his friend Zayd Nufal, who was known to be literate...so there is nothing magical about it...If you claim Allah sent the teacher then you have to acknowledge that Mohammad was not perfect, and an outside person had to instruct him...If he was really perfect, he would have been born with a pen in his hand...
It's no miracle...If Mohammad learned to read and write he did it like everyone else...someone taught him...Probably his friend Zayd Nufal, who was known to be literate...so there is nothing magical about it...If you claim Allah sent the teacher then you have to acknowledge that Mohammad was not perfect, and an outside person had to instruct him...If he was really perfect, he would have been born with a pen in his hand...
written by Ibn kammun , April 24, 2010
Brother, thanks for the comment.
Can you please point out in the article where my analysis is wrong. You do not help your case by saying Allah can make him read, and thats the end of that. My six year old daughter can do better than that.
Give it a try.
thanks again
Can you please point out in the article where my analysis is wrong. You do not help your case by saying Allah can make him read, and thats the end of that. My six year old daughter can do better than that.
Give it a try.
thanks again
written by fineliving56 , April 24, 2010
When you are worshiping Allah by using the teachings of Quran the book that you believe in and it came from Allah/God , you are forgetting the fact that God had to use a man [notice it is always a man] in a hidden place and alone and the massage got delivered to man kind
The point is you , Read , are taking another's man word for it !!!. God Never talked [ using Gibraeel ]to more then 1 humen IN THE SAME TIME AVER IN ANY FAITH ....did you ever think Why that is ? .... IT COULD BE DONE CAN IT ? ...GOD CAN TALK TO 2 ,10,
1000 people in an instance right !!!!and why not deliver the message to every one in same time ..............
why do you TRUST an erroneous humen like you and me and believe in QURAN THE BOOK THAT ONLY ONE MAN
[MOHAMMED] brought to us with out any wetnesses .HOW do you KNOW it is the message of Allah ,
if you going to tell us[ I have faith in Mo ] then I feel sorry for you cause you are trusting a mentally disturbed humen .If he lived with us in our time ,he would have been in a mental hospital for Schizophernia
if you tell us that you CAN believe in one person who goes in a cave alone and comes out ordering people to follow him in a new faith from God and you follow just because that same man said so with no proof what so ever THEN YOU AND EVERY ONE WHO THINK THAT WAY SHOULD HAVE THIER HEAD EXAMINED ......THIER IS NNNNNO PROOF THAT THIS BOOK OF TERROR CAME FROM GOD
ENOUGH SAID
The point is you , Read , are taking another's man word for it !!!. God Never talked [ using Gibraeel ]to more then 1 humen IN THE SAME TIME AVER IN ANY FAITH ....did you ever think Why that is ? .... IT COULD BE DONE CAN IT ? ...GOD CAN TALK TO 2 ,10,
1000 people in an instance right !!!!and why not deliver the message to every one in same time ..............
why do you TRUST an erroneous humen like you and me and believe in QURAN THE BOOK THAT ONLY ONE MAN
[MOHAMMED] brought to us with out any wetnesses .HOW do you KNOW it is the message of Allah ,
if you going to tell us[ I have faith in Mo ] then I feel sorry for you cause you are trusting a mentally disturbed humen .If he lived with us in our time ,he would have been in a mental hospital for Schizophernia
if you tell us that you CAN believe in one person who goes in a cave alone and comes out ordering people to follow him in a new faith from God and you follow just because that same man said so with no proof what so ever THEN YOU AND EVERY ONE WHO THINK THAT WAY SHOULD HAVE THIER HEAD EXAMINED ......THIER IS NNNNNO PROOF THAT THIS BOOK OF TERROR CAME FROM GOD
ENOUGH SAID
written by Reed Wilson , April 25, 2010
To duh-swani. What do you mean by " Do you know how to pray? Do you know when to fast? Do you donate to the needy? Do you know the difference between right and wrong? If you have these things you don't need Islam, or it's main book the Quran...They are like chains around your neck"...
written by Sujit Das , April 25, 2010
It was Muhammad's hallucination.
Neither he had received any revelation from Allah or Gabriel nor he was a Prophet. The whole incident was Muhammad's own imagination.
This type of hallucination is very common amongst mental patients. This is called 'command hallucination'.
Wait for my next article, where I will expose the truth.
written by Reed Wilson , April 25, 2010
To fineliving56. God has always chosen human beings as his messengers. Why so? It is he almighty who knows it? He tells that if angels were living on earth he must have made an angel as his messenger.
I am worshipping Allah by following his commandments. This is what he expects from me. This is what everybody doing.
Why do I TRUST a human like me and believe in QURAN THE BOOK THAT ONLY ONE MAN brought to me without any witness? It is a belated question. All messages of God were received like that. Witness is there. Allah says I have revealed the message through mohammad and mohammad says I have received the message. People of his time believed it.
You write that ". If he lived with us in our time, he would have been in a mental hospital for Schizophrenia”. Who knows? It didn’t happen.
Fineliving56, please spell out your questions. I will try to answer if I can.
I am worshipping Allah by following his commandments. This is what he expects from me. This is what everybody doing.
Why do I TRUST a human like me and believe in QURAN THE BOOK THAT ONLY ONE MAN brought to me without any witness? It is a belated question. All messages of God were received like that. Witness is there. Allah says I have revealed the message through mohammad and mohammad says I have received the message. People of his time believed it.
You write that ". If he lived with us in our time, he would have been in a mental hospital for Schizophrenia”. Who knows? It didn’t happen.
Fineliving56, please spell out your questions. I will try to answer if I can.
written by duh_swami , April 25, 2010
Reed...I am worshipping Allah by following his commandments.
How many kufrs have you killed today? If the answer is zero, you are not following Allah's commandments...
As far as the 'what do you mean' post...I made it clear, I think you know perfectly well what I mean...
written by balam , April 25, 2010
To argue with Wilson Reed,a stealth Muslim is waste of time.It is like PISSING in the desert.It will not turn it into oasis.It is like casting your pearls before a swine.He is just hungry for lime light.He is definitely an Ignorant Muslim like the rest of 1.5 billion.They have neither learnt any thing or changed over the last1400 years nor will they ever change for the better.It is very simple to deduce that if that ANGEL was from GOD,he woiuld have known that Mohammad could not read.Hence that Being who appeared was either a DEMONIC SPIRIR or creation of Mohammads imagination or Mohammad was telling a BIG LIE.The Quran is full of them.Hence Mohammad was a pathalogical LIAR not to be trusted by any sane person..DECEPTION IS THE NAME OF THE GAME IN ISLAM.To look for an honest Muslim,you have to look for the nearest MUSLIM GRAVE YARD and dig six feet under..
written by fineliving56 , April 25, 2010
but read ,you said it again ,I ask you ....how do you know GOD IS THE ONE WHO CHOOS THIES PROPHETS
IN EVERY CASE ?
if your proof is Quran ,Bible and Tawrat well , I am sorry that is not logical proof
let me be more clear by giving an example
let say a criminal killed someone with no witnesses to his crime what so ever . In court, his only defense is
HIS OWN HAND written letter describing his own innocents would any judge or jury EXEPT HIS WORED FOR IT
THAT IS WHAT HAPPENING AND WHAT BEEN HAPPENING WITH OWR PROPHETS FOR EVER
WE ARE THE JUDGE AND JORY
PROPHETS ARE THE CRIMINALS
QURAN,BIBLE,TAWRAT .....ARE THEIR HAND WRITTEN LETTERS FOR THEIR OWN DEFENSE
WE DO NOT EXEPT ,AT LEAST 16% OF THE WORLED POPULATION DOES NOT TAKE THEIS PROPHETS BOOKS AS THE { TRUTH }
READ , O P E N YOUR EYES AND MIND
AND SMELL THE QURAN I MAIN
[COFFEY ]
IN EVERY CASE ?
if your proof is Quran ,Bible and Tawrat well , I am sorry that is not logical proof
let me be more clear by giving an example
let say a criminal killed someone with no witnesses to his crime what so ever . In court, his only defense is
HIS OWN HAND written letter describing his own innocents would any judge or jury EXEPT HIS WORED FOR IT
THAT IS WHAT HAPPENING AND WHAT BEEN HAPPENING WITH OWR PROPHETS FOR EVER
WE ARE THE JUDGE AND JORY
PROPHETS ARE THE CRIMINALS
QURAN,BIBLE,TAWRAT .....ARE THEIR HAND WRITTEN LETTERS FOR THEIR OWN DEFENSE
WE DO NOT EXEPT ,AT LEAST 16% OF THE WORLED POPULATION DOES NOT TAKE THEIS PROPHETS BOOKS AS THE { TRUTH }
READ , O P E N YOUR EYES AND MIND
AND SMELL THE QURAN I MAIN
[COFFEY ]
written by proudest_kafir , April 25, 2010
smell sh1t. Actually any one who supports qrand does smell sh1tty
written by Machmoed , April 26, 2010
Manou, Mises and Moses are all the same. The ten commandments were found in the book of the dead a egyptian book long before people wrote the thora. Religion is the most fraudulent thing human ever created. Could islam be true if judaism and christianity are not based on truth? No it can't!
Let's see......in the OT moses is angry because of his people worship a cow/calf/bull or whatever. This cow/calf/bull is the same as Taurus wich Mythra has killed personnaly in their scriptures. Moses said to people not to worship the calf (Taurus the bull) but instead the ram (sheep) became his aeon/age. Jews still blow on a rams horn. After the age of ram there was pices (2 fish) and that's exactly what the myth Jesus was for. He was for letting go the age of Moses (ram) and introducing the age of pices. The bible is full of this symbolic notions. Jesus gave people to eat (bread and 2 fish he gave many people to eat). Joseph in the OT is the same as Jesus in the NT. Etc etc.
If you know all this, then you alsoo know it is the biggest bullshit ever and that's why people who follow this kind of crap, are the most backwarded people (not all of them).
Let's see......in the OT moses is angry because of his people worship a cow/calf/bull or whatever. This cow/calf/bull is the same as Taurus wich Mythra has killed personnaly in their scriptures. Moses said to people not to worship the calf (Taurus the bull) but instead the ram (sheep) became his aeon/age. Jews still blow on a rams horn. After the age of ram there was pices (2 fish) and that's exactly what the myth Jesus was for. He was for letting go the age of Moses (ram) and introducing the age of pices. The bible is full of this symbolic notions. Jesus gave people to eat (bread and 2 fish he gave many people to eat). Joseph in the OT is the same as Jesus in the NT. Etc etc.
If you know all this, then you alsoo know it is the biggest bullshit ever and that's why people who follow this kind of crap, are the most backwarded people (not all of them).
written by fineliving56 , April 26, 2010
It makes sense to me , more sense then Jesus the son of God ......shooting stars are angels and junnes .....Adam ate the holy apple ......BLA.....BLA....BLA
written by Reed Wilson , April 26, 2010
To duh_swami. You write "How many kufrs have you killed today? If the answer is zero, you are not following Allah's commandments".
I am not asked to kill kafirs. Most of us are Kafirs. He says at various places that I will myself gather all of them and they are accountable to me only.
He tells his messenger even that you were not there to manage their affairs. You just deliver the message. Understand?
I am not asked to kill kafirs. Most of us are Kafirs. He says at various places that I will myself gather all of them and they are accountable to me only.
He tells his messenger even that you were not there to manage their affairs. You just deliver the message. Understand?
written by DEWDDS , April 27, 2010
I also have it on good word that Zeus, Heracles, and Gilgamesh were also literate. Thor, though, wasn't keen on his runic lessons and remains the unlettered among them.
written by duh_swami , April 27, 2010
So Reed, you reject aya 9:5 and others like it...Allah is not going to like this when I tell him...
written by Reed Wilson , April 29, 2010
To duh-swami. I have read in Qurran that you not allowed to fight people who dont fight with you.
Your "Allah is not going to like this when I tell him" is interesting. Good, you believe in meeting him. This is very important. Now you just have to do good deeds, which you are hopefully doing. See you in Jannah.
Your "Allah is not going to like this when I tell him" is interesting. Good, you believe in meeting him. This is very important. Now you just have to do good deeds, which you are hopefully doing. See you in Jannah.
written by Kenmirzz , April 30, 2010
Mr Reed, I am an apostate Deist. You are a Quran-only Muslim right? Tell me the morality that you can learn from Suraa At-Tahrim. Please do read the chapter again and again in whatever translations you have with you there.
I want an answer from you. What's the moral of the chapter?
I want an answer from you. What's the moral of the chapter?
written by Healer_999, , April 30, 2010
Please read it again so you will understand.
Otherwise, read the previous and following chapter then you will understand, but I will not write here.
Otherwise please read the entire Koran so you will understand, but I will not write here.
This is what he told me when I asked him about 9:29.
May be you are lucky, you might get a answer but do not expect it to be logical and reasonable.
That is Reed.
Otherwise, read the previous and following chapter then you will understand, but I will not write here.
Otherwise please read the entire Koran so you will understand, but I will not write here.
This is what he told me when I asked him about 9:29.
May be you are lucky, you might get a answer but do not expect it to be logical and reasonable.
That is Reed.
written by Reed Wilson , May 04, 2010
To Healer 999. "This is what he told me when I asked him about 9:29". What bad did I do if asked you to read the context?
Kenmirzz is asking me the explanation of Surah 66. Also the moral out of it.
I am not a clergy and thank god I am not one. This place is not meant for explaining Quran either. Moreover, we are not doing a right thing to ask explanations from people when the original text is available. Quran demands that people should themselves read it. It is addressed to them. And think over on it.
Naturally I will tell you what I understand. Your derivation may be different.
I will not grudge telling what I know. Sometimes one may not know. A clergy can explain without even knowing.
Kenmirzz is asking me the explanation of Surah 66. Also the moral out of it.
I am not a clergy and thank god I am not one. This place is not meant for explaining Quran either. Moreover, we are not doing a right thing to ask explanations from people when the original text is available. Quran demands that people should themselves read it. It is addressed to them. And think over on it.
Naturally I will tell you what I understand. Your derivation may be different.
I will not grudge telling what I know. Sometimes one may not know. A clergy can explain without even knowing.
written by Kenmirzz , May 06, 2010
You are just being evasive and avoid to share your opinion about Chapter 66 with me. It's understandable, you can't logically derived any moral implication from the chapter, either you are a clergy or not.
You fail.
You fail.
written by Reed Wilson , May 07, 2010
To Dear Kenmirzz .
Mr Reed, I am an apostate Deist. You are a Quran-only Muslim right? Tell me the morality that you can learn from Suraa At-Tahrim. Please do read the chapter again and again in whatever translations you have with you there.
I want an answer from you. What's the moral of the chapter?
I forgot to tell you that I am not a Quran Only. I dont even know them.
Quran claims that it is very simple and easy. I find like that. It is better you yourself read the book. I dont mind failing. I have not come on this site for point scoring.
I hope you will not mind.
Mr Reed, I am an apostate Deist. You are a Quran-only Muslim right? Tell me the morality that you can learn from Suraa At-Tahrim. Please do read the chapter again and again in whatever translations you have with you there.
I want an answer from you. What's the moral of the chapter?
I forgot to tell you that I am not a Quran Only. I dont even know them.
Quran claims that it is very simple and easy. I find like that. It is better you yourself read the book. I dont mind failing. I have not come on this site for point scoring.
I hope you will not mind.
written by Kenmirzz , May 07, 2010
As expected from someone who is still in persistent of denial. Simple or not, point scoring or not, you have no answer. Thanks for clarifying.
written by Kenmirzz , May 13, 2010
You have no answer because the chapter clearly is devoid of any moral and ethical implication at all, no matter whichever angle you looked at it. Same goes for Chapter 114, Suraa Al-Lahab. It's basically a cursing chapter that bear no value to enhance our spirituality.
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