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An Ex-Muslim’s Open Letter to Muslims of the World

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Dear Muslim Brothers and Sisters

Greetings in the name of Allah, the beneficent and the Merciful!

Today we are fortunate to watch what is happening in the world on TV from our living rooms – whether it is tsunami, floods, earthquakes, plane crashes, refugee camps, the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan etc. In this panorama of world events, we also watch our Muslim brothers continually involve in unending fights in Palestine, Kashmir, Southern Thailand, Mindanao (Philippines), Nigeria, Chechnya, Burma, Xinxiang province in China etc. We also watch Muslims killing Muslims, or Sunnies fighting against Shiites Ahamadias, Bahais, often attacking their Mosques using suicide bombers.

The world is watching us with renewed interest, especially after the Al Qaeda attacks on America, London, Spain, Bali and Mumbai. People have started calling our Holy Quran A WAR MANUAL OR A TERROR MANUAL. Is it not a sad thing?

Please pay careful attention to this letter, which is being translated into 300 to 400 languages and sent to about 500 million Muslims and non-Muslims around the world.

After seeing so much of terrorist attacks by our self-proclaimed Jihadist brothers, non-Muslims have started reading our Holy Koran, Hadith and Sira, and are raising so many questions. Only ten questions are given here with explanations. Please be ready to answer them.

1. Why Allah changed his own statements in the Holy Quran?

The following are examples of the good and kind verses, Allah revealed to our Holy Prophet in Mecca when he had only one wife, Kadhija.

  • “Be patient with what they say, and part from them courteously” (Q.73:10)
  • “To you be your religion, and to me my religion.” (Q.109:6)
  • “Therefore be patient with what they say, and celebrate (constantly) the praises of your Lord” (Q.20:103)
  • “...and you will find the nearest in love to the believers (Muslims) those who say: ‘We are Christians”; because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.” (Q.5:82
  • “We well know what the infidels say: but you are not to compel them”. (Q.50:45)
  • “Hold to forgiveness; command what is right; but turn away from the ignorant” (Q7:119)
  • “Pardon thou, with a gracious pardoning.” (Q.15:85)
  • “Tell those who believe, to forgive, to forgive those who do not look forward to the days of Allah.” (Q.45.14)
  • “Those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians – any who believe in Allah and the last day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.” (Q.2:62)
  • “And do not dispute with the followers of the Book, except what is best.” (Q.29:46

After the death of Kadhija, our holy Prophet married Sawda, and then under-aged 9-year-old Aisha at the age of 53 and by this time he became very powerful in Medina. However, the Jews and Christians had rejected his claim of prophethood and his call to embrace Islam. Now the attitude of the Prophet and tone of Allah’s subsequent verses dramatically changed. Let us now take a look at the new Koranic verses, and also reflect a little on why Allah could not honour his own earlier words.

  • “Oh you who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them find harshness in you” (Q.9:123)
  • “I will instil terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite above their necks and smite all their finger tips off.” (Q.8:12)
  • “Whoso desires another religion than Islam, it shall not be accepted of him.” (Q.3:85)
  • “Slay the idolaters wherever you find them.” (Q.9.5)
  • “slay them wherever ye catch them.”  (Q.2:191)
  • “Humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax if they are Christians or Jews,” (Q.9:29)
  • “Allah deceived and Allah is the best of deceivers” (Q 3:54)
  • “Muslims do not take Jews and Christians as your friends” (Q 5:51)
  • “Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the last day, and fight people of the book.” (Q.9:29)
  • “O people of the Book (Jews and Christians), do you find fault with us, except that we believe in Allah? Shall I inform you of him who is worse than this in retribution from Allah? Worse is he whom Allah has cursed and brought His wrath upon, and of whom He made apes and swine and he who served idols. Such are in worse plight and far more astray from the straight path” (Q.5:59-60)

If Jews and Christians are the breed of monkeys and pigs in the eyes of Allah, then how it is possible that out of 820 or so Nobel Prize winners, 800 belonged to the People of the Book (Christians 620, Jews 180)?

Have you noticed that all inventions and discoveries that we use today, from safety-pin to aspirin, were made by people who never read our Holy Quran?

How we, the Muslims, can demand respect from others without any contribution to humanity?

2. Accusation of our Holy Prophet of being a paedophile?

According to Sahih Al-Bukhari (Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236), our Holy Prophet married ‘Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old.

Is it normal for a 50-year-old Holy Prophet to fall in love with a 9-year-old girl and for a 53-year-old Holy Prophet to consummate a 9-year-old girl?

Was he the best of Allah’s creation, as we claim?

Are we to follow this example and marry six-year-old girls?

3. Accusation that our Holy Prophet a looter of caravans, a rapist and a slave trader?

Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 459:

“We went out with Allah’s Apostle for the Ghazwa of Banu Al-Mustaliq and we received captives and we desired women and we loved to do coitus interruptus.( molesting  the women  and withdrawing before ejaculation, because pregnant women are difficult to sell in the slave trade) So we asked Allah’s Apostle, he said, ‘It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul is predestined to exist, it will exist.”

This hadith proves that our Prophet looted caravans, raped captured women and was involved in slave trade.

Accordingly, non-Muslims are accusing our Holy Prophet of being a looter, rapist and slave trader. How do we counter these accusations?

4. Accusation that our Holy Prophet was a mass murderer?

According to Sahih Bukhari (Volume 4, Book 52, Number 280), after 25 days of holding Banu Qurayza besieged, the Jews eventually surrendered unconditionally as was demanded by our Holy Prophet. By the order of our Holy Prophet, between 600 and 900 of the Jewish men were beheaded.

Even if these Jews were found ‘treacherous’, was he not a "mercy of God to mankind" as Allah has said in the Quran? How could he then commit this horrendous massacre?

Yet, our Prophet boasted of such cruelties: “I have been made victorious through terror”. (Bukhari 4:52:220)

Soon after our Holy prophet set foot in Medina, he started his campaign of terror.  His followers have been doing the same ever since until this day.

5. Accusation of polygamy against our Holy Prophet

After Kadhija’s death when our Prophet was 50 years old, he had more than 20 wives and concubines. They were: Sawda, Aisha, Hafsa, Zaynab biny khuzayma, Umm Salama Rayhana, Zaynab bint Jahsh, Juwariya, Safiya, Barra, and Maria etc. Many of them were beautiful young widows from war-booty between the ages of 15 to 20.

6. Did Our Holy Prophet marry his own daughter-in-law Zainab?

Our Holy Prophet peeped through the window of his adopted son Zaid’s house and found Zaid’s wife Zainab in her night dress, which aroused his sexual desires for her. When Zaid heard about it, he become heart-broken, and divorced Zainab so that our Holy Prophet, his father, could marry her. And to clear the way for him to marry his daughter-in-law, which was not approved in Arab societies, our Prophet produced the following Quranic verse:

“You did hide in yourself that which Allâh will make manifest, you did fear the people whereas Allâh had a better right that you should fear Him. So when Zaid had accomplished his desire from her (i.e. divorced her), We gave her to you in marriage, so that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the believers in respect of (the marriage of) the wives of their adopted sons when the latter have no desire to keep them. And Allâh’s Command must be fulfilled” (Q.33:37).

Was this verse, which gives Muslims licence to marry the wife of their adopted sons, needed for guiding humanity to the right path?

7. Why Our Holy Prophet had broken the promise given to his 12 wives?

Mariah was a very beautiful Coptic Christian slave-girl of Hafsa, a wife of our Prophet. Though our prophet had promised to his wives that he would not have sex with Mariah, he cleverly planned and sent Hafsa out to her father Omar’s house on the pretext of an urgent matter, and had sex with Mariah when Hafsa was gone. When Hafsa found out that father didn’t call for her and returned home quickly, she found our Holy Prophet having sex with Maria in her bed.

In this awful situation, how did Our Holy prophet react? He pulled out another Quranic verse, allegedly coming from Allah, to give him divine license to commit such sexual act:

“O Prophet! Why do you ban (for yourself) that which Allâh has made lawful to you, seeking to please your wives? And Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. Allâh has already ordained for you (O men), the dissolution of your oaths. And Allâh is your Maula (Protector.) and He is the All-Knower, the All-Wise”. (Q.66:1-5)

Is this verse needed to be there in the Quran for guiding humankind to the right path? Or was devised just to cover his sexual pleasures?

Intelligent Aisha, being the favourite wife, knew our prophet well and rightly said: "Allah really sends his verses at and for your convenience, Rasool Allah!"

8. Is Allah the pagan moon God?

Was not our Prophet’s father named Abdullah, meaning “slave of Allah”? If so, how this Allah came into existence before our Prophet was born? Was this the pagan moon god Allah which the people of Quraish in Arabia, revered and worshiped? How this idol moon god of the Arabs became the heavenly one God for Muslims?

9. Why the rights of a woman in the Muslim world are so weak?

In Islam, a woman can be beaten by her husband (Q:4:34); the Quran and Hadith give her no right to divorce her husband; her testimony in court is half the value of a man’s; her inheritance is half what her brother gets; and she cannot leave the house officially without her husband’s permission.

Under sharia law, for a violated woman to prove that she was raped, not committed adultery, she must produce four male witnesses. So, how can a woman prove that she was raped? Does rape happen in front of four men? Was there any incident in the world that four men came to the court and said they have witnessed the rape? How do we justify this law, cruel to women?

10. Why Muslim women must wear burka?

When our Holy Prophet died at the age of 63, Aisha was 18 years old and his other wives, except Sawda, were between 23 and 27 years of age. On his later years in life, probably when our Holy Prophet became sexually weak and was unable to satisfy his wives, he faced a serious problem of protecting his 12 young and beautiful wives from the lustful glance of others. Hence, he ordered his wives and also the concubines to cover them from head to toe. This burqa dress has become the symbol of ‘modesty’ for women in Islam today. Please remember that our Prophet’s first wife Kadhija never wore burqa. Today, half a billion Muslim women have to veil themselves, because our Prophet had devised this dress-code to cover for his sexual weakness (impotence).

Islam, the fastest-growing religion?

We Muslims proudly claim that Islam is the fastest-growing religion. Islam is not the fastest-growing religion in terms of conversion. Sheikh Ahmad Al Katani gave Aljazeera T.V. the following facts and figures: “In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Every year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity.” (note that even two professors and Imams of Egypt’s most prestigious Al Azhar University, Dr. Mustafa (now Mark Gabriel) and Dr. Mohammad Rahoumy (now Dr. Samuel Paul) have left Islam, because of the unacceptable teachings of the Koran.)

But Islam is certainly the fastest-breeding religion. If you can have up to four wives and take a lot of children without bothering about their future and well being, that’s what will happen. The population will increase fast, but your community will be poor with hunger, and lack of education and jobs.

Conclusion

My dear Muslim brothers and sisters, please do not treat this letter as an American or Jewish propaganda. We love you very much. Why? Because we were Muslims like you before. We want you to see the truth for your self. If you have any doubt about this letter ask, any educated Muslim, but not a Mullah, who will be angry with you. You may have heard this story. A young Muslim asked a Mullah:

“When Allah created Adam & Eve, that is one woman to one man, how is it that our Holy Prophet had more than 12 wives and allowed us to have 4 wives? Because of this, we Muslims are poor everywhere?” The Mullah slapped on his face and shouted: “Don’t ask questions: believe and obey what we say.”

The Mullahs want you to remain chained in the 7th-century Arab culture. When we, the ex-Muslims, studied Koran, Ahadith and Sira together, with a logical and analytical mind, we found that Islam was not what we were taught in childhood: Islam is the best religion and Prophet Muhammad was the finest man in history. In fact, the exact opposite is the truth. And we became heart broken; we felt depressed; shame, shock, guilt, and frustration. But eventually, we came through that difficult stage, and got enlightened and freedom from the shackles of Islam. However painful was the process, we came out strong, confident and happy. Believe us: only after we were out of the bounds of Islam, we realized that how great a feeling it is not to live a lie and to be free. Please look around the world on the TV, the Kaffir people in Northern Ireland, South Africa and Punjab have found peace and are pursuing higher education, prosperity and happiness. You all know that India, Pakistan and Bangladesh (East Pakistan) got freedom on the night of 14 August 1947. The idol-worshiping Indians are progressing well and steadily toward a superpower nation, but Pakistanis and Bangladeshis, who follow “allegedly” the best religion and ‘greatest prophet and human being ever on earth’, are struggling to exist as nations. India is building 1,200 km fence to stop the hungry Muslims from crossing into India.

We the ex-Muslims will have no greater joy than seeing you – the Muslim brethren of our birth-religion – progress, prosper and excel in the race of civilization. For that to happen, leaving the false, backward, unjust and cruel religion of Islam and walking the path of truth and justice and loving humanity is essential.

May God bless you abundantly.

Yours truly,

Roman (An Ex-Muslim)

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Note:  The following ex-Muslims have written some books about Islam. You can read them.

Dr. Ali Sina: Understanding Muhammad

M. A. Khan:  Islamic Jihad

Wafa Sultan: A God Who Hates

Dr. Mustafa (Professor & Imam): The mind of an Islamic Terrorist

Nonie Darwish: Cruel and Unusual Punishment

Farhan Qureshi (Islamic scholar)

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MUSLIMS & ISLAM
written by scrutator , March 18, 2012
Two facts influence muslims completely:

1) They believe everything in the Quran is completely right, can never be wrong, despite of all evidence to the contrary !

This flies in the face of numerous injustices and cruelties described and approved of in the Quran. Examples are misogyny against muslim women and cruelty and unfairness against Jews and all other non-muslims.


2) Muslims imitate everything Muhammad and Allah have done, no questions asked !

Allah & Muhammad always cursed, so muslims have been cursing non-muslims for the last 1400 years ! Because Muhammad married a 6 year old, no muslim male would mind doing the same ! Muhammad carried on wantron killings approved vy Allah, so muslims since then have carried out carnages against non-muslims as well as against other muslims with whom they do not agree ! The pathological hatred against Jews which Islam has generated have become well engrained in the DNA of muslims ! Their shortcomings and non-achievement is always blamed on the Joos and the infidel Hindus !

Muslims have to change their mindset and question outdated and unfair practices in the Quran if they are to live like others as normal humans and progress in peace !
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a very good article
written by bundypig , March 18, 2012
http://persian2english.com/?p=23753

the persians were conquered by islam. they were a quite bright bunch, there is still a movement to oust islam from their country but with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the islamic turd imans and such, they have been reduced to 7th century zombies. I believe that when Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is overthrown and the mullahs are kicked out, Iran will be a democracy where freedom will reign.
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written by Muslim , March 18, 2012
Ex- muslim called we muslims hehehe
Islam is fastest growing through conversion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claims_to_be_the_fastest-growing_religion#Islam
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Bikini
written by Muslim , March 18, 2012
Ex-muslims wife and sis wear bikini freedom hehehe
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Muslim
written by duh_swami , March 18, 2012
Your refutations are weak Muslim...Another study showed Christianity to be growing fastest...There are people who do convert or join up with Islam, but nearly all of them are ignorant about the inner workings of Islam, because few of them ever read Quran or hadith, until after they convert...On top of that Muslim, many people who do convert are spiritually and mentally unstable...Many are 'seekers'...who never find...They sample numerous religions and cults but are never satisfied...That;s why they are seekers, not finders...Those people will not be happy with Islam either...So while Islam may be getting a 'few' converts ( there are no long lines of kuffar in the west at the mosque door trying to get in to convert) Islam is getting no bargains with these people...
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mostly criminals...
written by bundypig , March 18, 2012
and excuse me for saying, fat girls with no future.
If they were after the truth, then they would look inside
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This article / letter is just another fine example of how to make a fool of yourself
written by Muslim & Proud , March 18, 2012
Well done Roman. You need to be congratulated on this fine example of making a complete fool of yourself.

An Ex-Muslim’s Open Letter to Muslims of the World


So you leave no doubt that you are an ex-muslim.

Let's just see what kind of ex-muslim you are:

Greetings in the name of Allah, the beneficent and the Merciful!


This is blasphemy for an ex-muslim Roman - khan might issue a fatwa against you - lol

non-Muslims have started reading our Holy Koran, Hadith and Sira, and are raising so many questions.


So as an ex-muslim, you still say OUR Holy Koran, Hadith and Sira.......oh dear

After the death of Kadhija, our holy Prophet married Sawda


OUR Holy Prophet?

Khan will not be pleased with you Roman.........

My dear Muslim brothers and sisters


Brothers and sisters?

Roman - you have done a sterling job in terms of making yourself look like a complete idiot. I hop the letter has not gone to print - for your sake..........make sure khan edits it before releasing - that way it is likely to be a whole lot worse than it is.....lol lol lol lol

Well done.
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Castigation for the masses...
written by duh_swami , March 18, 2012
Castigation is thy name demon, murderers and advocates of murder and threat...If the shoe fits wear it...If you are a Muslim who advocates murder for insulting Mohammad, or any other reason, consider yourself castigated...
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Swami Crying and Weeping
written by Muslim & Proud , March 18, 2012
Castigation is thy name demon, murderers and advocates of murder and threat...If the shoe fits wear it...If you are a Muslim who advocates murder for insulting Mohammad, or any other reason, consider yourself castigated...


Yawns..............

Swami - make sure you respond again and remember to make it a public service announement - please also include which train will be arriving next - lol lol lol
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probably
written by bundypig , March 18, 2012
I should change my language from fat girls to hefty girls with very low self esteem.
Maybe your mother is a hefty girl with back hair eh M$Perverted?
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Cursed Pig
written by Muslim & Proud , March 18, 2012
Maybe your mother is a hefty girl with back hair eh M$Perverted?


Pig,

Remembner - one thing that is a fact is that your mother is a dirty, filthy pig, who gave birth to another pig called bundypig.

Adios.
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haha
written by bundypig , March 18, 2012
seems I struck a nerve in the little man
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Bundypig
written by duh_swami , March 18, 2012
Muslims who murder or advocate murder and threats, have no mothers...They were hatched from the eggs of the Coo Coo bird...They also have no girl friend, but may have a number of boy friends...There are a lot of Coo Coo birds in Islam, and they all should be castigated...
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I guess...
written by bundypig , March 18, 2012
a lot of hand creme and toilet tissue for the little man
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I know
written by Muslim and proud , March 18, 2012
You and swami are a couple of losers.

Adios

Ps. Swami is obsessed with murder and threats - he is still cryin like a baby - I hole his mummy will give him a cuddle
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written by duh_swami , March 18, 2012
Murderers and advocates of murder will be castigated, continually, with no let up until the beast is driven back into it's cage...The Castigate a Muslim today society of disgusted kuffar, is now in control...Castigation's are in order...and will be equally distributed...all qualified Muslims will get their share...
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M.&P......
written by Amboyduke , March 18, 2012
oh beloved Jesus you're tiring....once again you say NOTHING of importance regarding this fabulous letter by Roman...

All you do is bluster about and act like a 2 year old...
MAN UP, boy, and face the facts...
You support collective insanity...

You should be pitied rather than laughed at, but DAMN...!!! It's hard not to laugh at you....!!! LOL LOL LOL....GAWD DAMN YOU IS FUNNY...!!!
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Kudos to Roman!
written by Kafirwala , March 18, 2012

I think the author Mr. Roman has done a nice job in bringing out all the pitfalls and inconsistencies and the weak points of Islam in a nutshell. The drastic contrast between the meccan and medinian suras is really thought provoking. Since the medinian suras were the latest, it would have definitely abrogated the meccan ones. Still, the idiotic muslims will only quote the abrogated meccan suras to deceive the gullible. That is what we are witnessing around us today. The author has rightly asked the question what was the need for Allah to change his earlier verses. He has also described the changes in the life of Mo, to show what kind of an opportunistic charlatan he was. But I am sure, it will have no effect on mullahs and the brain dead muslim zombies. It may sometimes create a stir in the thought process of some muslims whose brain cells have not been fully destroyed. But the normal variety we see around us today, who claim to be proud of being muslims, who are the arse lickers of that pedophile spook will naturally brush it aside as lies. It is our misfortune that we are living in the midst of such idiotic imbeciles!
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Pisslim the Moron
written by Mozlems , March 18, 2012
A pisslim who does not follow quran and questions its credibility is an ex-muslim.
Actually any pisslim who does not follow Islam is not a pisslim. There are millions who abelong to this catagory who your kind call pisslims though non practising such as Jinnah. Moreover your kind do not consider bahais, ahmedis and shaia as muslims.
So if the author is not sniveling , showing insolence and barking like mad means he has some sense muslim or not. Running all over like a headless chicken like you who is born of mother with hairy balls AKA dads ar*e does not make you any more muslim. Oh I forgot Allah like to curse so you follow his example and advice "the one stoned ar*e from being cleaned by stones".
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Amboyduke....
written by Muslim and proud , March 18, 2012
"oh beloved Jesus you're tiring....once again you say NOTHING of importance regarding this fabulous letter by Roman... "

Of course - it's not important that an ex-Muslim is still not sure if he is an ex-Muslim - how silly of me to think that was important.....lol

Roman messed up big time and continues the trend of ludicrous articles on here - it's hilarious.
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Duh dumb typo
written by Muslim and proud , March 18, 2012
"The Castigate a Muslim today society of disgusted kuffar,"

Replace disgusted with DISGUSTING

LOL
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LOL
LOL

Society?

Haaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha

Priceless

الله اكبر
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written by duh_swami , March 18, 2012
The Muslim who advocates murder and threats, castigates himself...Perfect...You can't ask for more than self castigation...and what a great job he is doing of it...Allah thinks of everything...
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Duh Confession
written by Muslim and proud , March 18, 2012
"...Allah thinks of everything..."

Well done swami

You did it again son - you made a complete fool if yourself bickhead - well done.

Please make sure you respond - good dog ( ARF ARF )

Lol
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...
written by duh_swami , March 18, 2012
If a Muslim murder and threat advocate want's to indulge in self flagellation with the scourge of castigation, Allah will see to it that the Muslim who advocates murder and threats reaches his goal...That Muslim will also be invited to participate in the Festival of Ashura, and be awarded an extra sharp chain with which to catsigate himself in a meaningful way...
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Moron is too thick to get it.
written by Mozlems , March 18, 2012
It is not Pisslims but Islam thats being discussed disected and ridiculed.
You take it personal cause you beleive in all fairy tales and wiping ar*e with stones.
Did you do a mud wudu today.
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M&P
written by mumbo jumbo , March 18, 2012

has nothing to say anymore...now he is defending his ego rather than islam..as Mo behaved after he failed in mecca to convince and became ruthless and took sword in his hands to defeat opponents..no doubt MP is in a similar situation. May God help him..
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@ MUSLIM
written by scrutator , March 18, 2012
"written by Muslim, March 18, 2012
Ex-muslims wife and sis wear bikini freedom hehehe"


I am amazed how muslims sidetrack the main topic of discussion and talk of irrelevant points !

Whether some women wear bikini or not, how does that explain the requirement to produce four male witnesses by a woman who has been raped ? .... do you think 4 witnesses would be present watching the proceedings, of the crime being committed by a rapist ?

Isn't this yet another example of Quranic lunacy ?

When will muslims ever see the idiocies of the Quran and the Hadiths, which are as clear as water to all others ?
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Duh Dumb
written by Muslim and proud , March 18, 2012
Don't forget it sunshine

Allah (the exalted) thinks about "everything"

All the years you have been here have not gone to waste

You must respond - that's an order kufaar dog - ARF ARF

So far, you are following the orders correctly - keep it up bickhead

Lol
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@ BUNDYPIG
written by scrutator , March 18, 2012
{i}written by bundypig, March 18, 2012
seems I struck a nerve in the little man{/i}

You sure have, bundy !

Muslims now cling on to and cite ever growing numbers of irrelevancies, to the extent that it is becoming impossible to have a straight and frank discussion with them !

M&P is an example in point !

One can keep on trying with limitless patience !!!
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Scrutator
written by Muslim and proud , March 18, 2012
Bring it on.

Here is my challenge:

Where in the Hadith does it say the woman was HEAVILY PREGNANT?

Over to you - let's see how sincere you are.
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The Muslim brothers are killing people as ruthless as Assad's people in Syria
written by fineliving56 , March 18, 2012
So .... the ruthlessness of Sunnis Muslim brother in killing sprees, proves that they are no better then there brother Shiyats ... they are made from the same filthy mold Called ... Islamic Mold ...

The Muslim brothers just BOMBED a military head Quarters in Damascus ... torn 30 people to unrecognizable mess of flesh ...hundreds of wounded and hundreds of demolished cars and buildings ... Syrian TV showed all the mess all day yestredy and to day in the funerals of the dead ... this time ...

Shiyats's dead .

Muslims and co ...lie and like to tell us ... only Assads people like to kill because they are atheists ... dead wrong as usual .... lsl

this time ....It is Muslim brothers killing on Muslims ... I guess the peace that should have resided in the hearts of Muslims due to Islam ... did not work.... lsl

Muslims of all kind kill and love to kill ... life has no importance because men are going to go Jinnat after death

they will have as many premenstrual little girls as they want promised by Allah in his Quran in 55 - 71/ / 74 Surit al rahman

[fair women companions restricted for you [ Muslim men] in tents ... they did not have their **menstrual monthly flux yet ** [ lam yatmothnah ] human girls and jinnes ].

ove to die .. but alone ... they have to take the innocents children who did not had a life yet ................

Sick Morons
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Fineliving - News Reporter
written by Muslim and proud , March 18, 2012
Is there any other 'biased' news you have?

Are you reporting live from Syria for IW News?
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written by duh_swami , March 18, 2012
The castigated Muslim who loves murder and threats, has no point...he cannot refute any report from Syria...So he tries discredit the reporter...More castigation is called for...
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Moron and your questions
written by Mozlems , March 18, 2012
It seems you dont have answers so you question. Why dont you tell us the answers and let us prove them wrong. Now you asked a question again while you claim yourself to be a super imam and a subject matter expert.
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Swami dumb duh
written by Muslim and proud , March 18, 2012
"The castigated Muslim who loves murder and threats, has no point...he cannot refute any report from Syria...So he tries discredit the reporter...More castigation is called for.."

You must provide a response otherwis you will be reported to the world - please make sure a public announcement is made
Immediately loser - what is the next train bickhead? A nil response means you are a muslim - hurry up bickhead.
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Again
written by fineliving56 , March 18, 2012
Muslim men LOVE TO DIE to have the chance to tear little girl tight little secret place where their mommy told them, no one should touch because it is harmful and it ruins them for life.

But no ... MUSLIM MEN LOVE TO DIE AND THEY *DO* AS MANY LITTLE GIRLS AS POSSIBLE IN JANNAT AL NAEEM ...just like Allah promised

Quran ... 55 - 71 / 74

always remember .... Allah promised tight little girls for the dead Muslims men

Laugh the sad laugh .... lsl
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Fineliving
written by Muslim and proud , March 18, 2012
Do you want to leave Islam again.......again......again.....

Anyway - what's the latest (biased) news?
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Fineliving
written by rzq , March 18, 2012
"Muslim men LOVE TO DIE to have the chance to tear little girl tight little secret place where their mommy told them, no one should touch because it is harmful and it ruins them for life"
Are you describing what gran taught your dad!
Is that what he did to your mother!
Now I can see why you are a bitter twisted old bag!
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Rzq
written by Muslim & Proud , March 18, 2012
Salaam Bro,

Nice response to the old bag - she really is bitter and twisted.

Her boyfriend Swami Duh has been taught a good lesson today and yesterday - he will be licking his wounds at the moment........

Hope you and your family are all in good health Bro, Insha-Allah.
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MUSLIM MEN LOVE TO KILL AND DIE
written by fineliving56 , March 18, 2012
Allah/Muhammad takes care of them .... In ....Quran 55/71/74 ...of course

they are promised ... the moon ... and tents and gold bracelets [ lol] and tight little girly place ... isn't that peachy?

That is the roll model for all Muslim men who slept with a 9 years old girl and promised Muslim men of sleeping with 9 years years ....

lsl
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Fineliving
written by rzq , March 18, 2012
Pops and grandpa were bad Muslims then! According to your logic.
Tell me how did mama fineliving lay you out???
I bet they wish they had'nt knowing how you would turn out!

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Fineliving56
written by Muslim & Proud , March 18, 2012
Do you want to leave Islam again..............again..........again...........

Your situation is still sad and pathetic and will continue to be so for many years to come.
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mr khan
written by rzq , March 18, 2012
Can you ban rzq, he keeps destroying my stupidity.
Thank you
Fine living


I saved you the job!!!
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mr khan
written by rzq , March 18, 2012
Can you ban rzq, he keeps destroying my stupidity.
Thank you
Fine living


I saved you the job!!!
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rqz
written by duh_swami , March 18, 2012
Now I can see why you are a bitter twisted old bag!

Now, now irz, you know what Mr Khan said about name calling...It's a no no sweet boy...
You are not yet on the castigation list dear boy, so clean up your act and stay off it...
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Rzq
written by Muslim & Proud , March 18, 2012
Pops and grandpa were bad Muslims then! According to your logic.
Tell me how did mama fineliving lay you out???
I bet they wish they had'nt knowing how you would turn out!


They will no doubt be cursing her day and night - just what she deserves.
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Muslims
written by fineliving56 , March 18, 2012
Cant refute anything .... in their Quran ... how could they when their Quran says it all right in it ..... in black and white ....

remember Quran promised little girlie for Muslim men so they could go and kill and die

Yes Quran is this sick
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Fineliving56
written by Muslim & Proud , March 18, 2012
Cant refute anything .... in their Quran ... how could they when their Quran says it all right in it ..... in black and white ....


You and your boyfriends say that Holy Qur'an is lies, so once again biyaatch, you are making a complete fool of yourself - well done.

Ps. My brother Rzq has already complained to khan for you.......
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Castigation caused meltdown
written by duh_swami , March 18, 2012
The Muslim who loves murder and threats is a low grade mental type, who likes to be an azz behind his computer...In person he is subservient to men...No woman would have anything to do with him...His agitated mind is due to his gender confusion...Allah has conflicted him and now he melts...
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Swami Duh Dumb
written by Muslim & Proud , March 18, 2012
The Muslim who loves murder and threats is a low grade mental type, who likes to be an azz behind his computer...In person he is subservient to men...No woman would have anything to do with him...His agitated mind is due to his gender confusion...Allah has conflicted him and now he melts...


Your public announcement is overdue bickhead. You are required to immediately let the world know which train is arriving next. A nil response means that you love Islam. Hurry up loser.......lol lol lol
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Muslims
written by fineliving56 , March 18, 2012
In Quran's languish ...

Rasoll al Allah Muhammd waeda kulli al muslimeen banatin saggeeraton lam yatmothonah baid min agli sa'aadato al rigali al muslimeen endama yomasiqu verogehin lainhom marredeen fi al aqli .

Ana la anzil lamustawa nason mithlaqum

write that in English ... after all it is the languish of the Quran
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M and P
written by rzq , March 18, 2012
Wa alaikum assalaam
Everything is all good with Allah(swt) grace!
Just look at they way these idiots are behaving.
It's funny and sad at the same time!
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M.&P.
written by Amboyduke , March 18, 2012
Of course - it's not important that an ex-Muslim is still not sure if he is an ex-Muslim - how silly of me to think that was important.....lol

Roman messed up big time and continues the trend of ludicrous articles on here - it's hilarious
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I think he's writing the letter in 1'st person, plural, to be condisending.
Sarcastic maybe.
He knows he's an "ex-muslim"...he's using this format to help you poor scaredy cats who are too afraid to leave islam...
If I was a muslim and read that letter, I'd be gone in a flash...but then again, I have a sentient ability that most muslims seem to lack.
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Fineliving
written by rzq , March 18, 2012
"In Quran's languish ...

Rasoll al Allah Muhammd waeda kulli al muslimeen banatin saggeeraton lam yatmothonah baid min agli sa'aadato al rigali al muslimeen endama yomasiqu verogehin lainhom marredeen fi al aqli .

Ana la anzil lamustawa nason mithlaqum

write that in English ... after all it is the languish of the Quran"

Nobody can translate this rabble. For gods sake learn English or at least something resembling it!
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rqz
written by duh_swami , March 18, 2012
For gods sake...

Lower case G rzq? How disrespectful to Allah...You are so busy being self righteous, you missed your cardinal mistake and sin...Had you bothered to check your own writing you could have saved yourself this embarrassment...Allah knows you just screwed up but he is short of patience with screw ups...
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Swami duh Dumb
written by Muslim & Proud , March 18, 2012
Where is your public announcement loser?

You seem to be following my orders - like a good dog.

You are ordered to "not respond" to this post.
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written by duh_swami , March 18, 2012
Once Mohammad was talking to some people when he told them about a conversation he heard between a cow and a wolf...The people were amazed because they had never heard of talking animals...Mohammad assured them the story was true, he said that Umar and Abu Bakr believe it though they were not there...Do Muslims believe that animals can talk because the 'Holy Prophet' said so? If they don't believe it, are they insulting the 'Prophet', and his words? If they are insulting the 'Prophet' and his words, does that qualify the insulter for murder victim status?
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Duh dumb duck
written by Muslim & Proud , March 18, 2012
People are still waiting for the train and need your public announcement bickhead - you are ordered to prove an announcement immediately.

A nil response will mean you are a muslim. Get a move on loser.
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written by duh_swami , March 18, 2012
Another time some men approached Mohammad for assistance, he sent them to a local camel keeper...They killed the keeper and stole the camels...Mohammad chased them down, for punishment, he burned their eyes with hot iron rods, removed their tongues, amputated their limbs and left them to die in the hot sun...While the men were guilty of something, the penalty was especially harsh...Do Muslims who advocate murder agree that this severity was called for? Is this the punishment called for in sharia?
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Duh Dumb Swami
written by Muslim and proud , March 18, 2012
Where is your public announcement loser?

You are letting the world down

Lol
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To add to what fine said for Morn and Arsz at rsqz
written by Mozlems , March 18, 2012
And pearly boyz too.
Afraid if Moron and Arsz at Rsqz loose their machine parts in some musli attack and they are trasported wound for wound then all they can do is ogle and finger their rear orfices. No use of the 72 tight ones.
Bummer allah knows best.
Musk dripping from holes where there once were poles and chance of getting rear ended. Losers and lose rear ends all for nothing. PS may also happen for if you turn to Jihad.
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Send the comments
written by Just passing through , March 18, 2012
They should send M&P's comments with the article. It will probably help people see that islam is false. It Islam was true and worthy there would be some way to refute this article. There isn't and the apologists do not even try.
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written by vbv , March 19, 2012
One thing in this socalled letter by an ex-muslim that can be concurred without difficulty is that why are muslims so backward despite their claim to be the best people, having the best religion and their "god" to be the onlyh "true god". They are backward in every respect civilisationally,culturally and educationally. The christians are far ahead of them in everything ,so also the Budhists, idol-worshipping hindus, the jews who have the most Noble Prizes in Science and others. Why thedy are always governed by theocratic despots, fanatics, despotic mullahs/ayatollahs ,or extremely barbaric and cruel dictators/sheikhs/monarchs and mullahs ? One example is that of Indai and its neighbours Pakistan and Bangladesh. India is having the fifth largest GDP in the world after USA, Germany,Japan and China of $2 trillion . It would take the GDP of all the muslim countries around the to come anywhere near it or marginally overtake it. So much for Allah and his chosen people !
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Vbv
written by Muslim and proud , March 19, 2012
"They are backward in every respect civilisationally,culturally and educationally. The christians are far ahead of them in everything ,so also the Budhists, idol-worshipping hindus, the jews who have the most Noble Prizes in Science and others."

Yawns yawns yawns

You seem to play this record every time you post .....
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M&P/RZQ
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , March 19, 2012
Your uncultured language against Fineliving is becoming unbearable

Can't you defend your Prophet and Allah without resulting to foul language against people? Fineliving has not been rude to you as a person but against your Quran and your bogus prophet.

I expect a kind of respect to this only elderly woman contributor in this site, at least gender sensitivity demand that she be accorded due respect as a mother, a wife even as a sister. You guys should try to behave like civilized people in this public place.

Why Can’t you be civil at least for once?
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Glass houses Pastor!!
written by rzq , March 19, 2012
If you live in glass house then do not throw stones at others.

"written by fineliving56 , March 18, 2012
Muslim men LOVE TO DIE to have the chance to tear little girl tight little secret place where their mommy told them, no one should touch because it is harmful and it ruins them for life"

She makes blanket bigoted statements. "Muslim men" that includes my brothers and father. You expect me to turn the other cheek???
I think it would be wiser for you to advise fineliving to tone it down and write questions without the bile.
Make a statement and follow up with a reference then it's cool no problem. Then you can refute her. But when she types the above then she itching for a verbal.
Don't cry about it when the itch got scratched!
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Rzq
written by Muslim and proud , March 19, 2012
"Don't cry about it when the itch got scratched!"

Indeed

Mr Pastor himself is a hypocrite - he says he loves all muslims - and sincerely loves Abu Hamza, yet he is proud to be Islamophobic.....

Talk about screwed up...
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Pastor
written by rzq , March 19, 2012
"Are you describing what gran taught your dad!
Is that what he did to your mother!"

I did try warn her by twisting her statement back to her family to see if she realises what she is saying! It went straight over her head.
Instead she carried on.
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murder in Yemen
written by dead or alive , March 19, 2012
Muslims shoot to death a Penna. man who is Christian yesterday.
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Clement
written by fineliving56 , March 19, 2012
Well ... only a gentleman would write such a nice post to try to deflect the avalanche of insults these muslims are throughing at me and all of you.

I must have hit and pained a really soft spot called *Muhammad*somewhere .. for them to come after me in such a zeal ... only a Muslim kind of zeal will reach.

Clement ... as you know I am only stating the truth as Quran, headeeth and Sirah have put out for us to read about. Muslim men have been killing themselves to go Jannat to have little girls and little boys and alcohol and gold bracelets .... and all worldly things like that ...

I guess the cold hard Islamic truth hurts ... no help for that ... and I am sorry I am hurting their little feelings when I criticize Muhammad ...

no help for that ... they should take it up with Muhammad/ Allah for exposing them selves this much ...

One them said I should * ask Questions about Islam " ..from them ? ... that really funny ...They do not know the language of Quran ... they have to use another,to make out and understand it ... and they are failing at that .. I might add .

The reason I do not insult them personally is because I realize they are not worth reducing my self to this level ... they are acting like wild children .. running around besting each other for attention and vulgarity ... well they succeeded .

peace to you

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Muslims
written by fineliving56 , March 19, 2012
No .. it I did not Cary on because it went over my head ..

.it is because I ignored .... It because I refuse to let you intimidate me .. and you are trying and you failing at that

Go ahead do after me ... I will not stop criticized your Muhammad

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Fineliving
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , March 19, 2012
Is Ok ma, I know you have enough shock absorbers to absolve all their rude words.

Let that not discourage you. Let continue to expose the evil cult religion for the world to see, in doing so we may rid some of them of the evil of Islam.

The Bible says Ga 6:9 "And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.”


Cheers
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written by duh_swami , March 19, 2012
She makes blanket bigoted statements. "Muslim men" that includes my brothers and father. You expect me to turn the other cheek???

I don't know how old you are rzq, your street language gives you away as a younger guy...Most likely Fineliving was a Muslimah longer than you have been alive, and speaks from experience, not speculation...Because you are a hyper Muslim in heat you do not know the difference between blanket bigotry and specific bigotry...Any negative about Islam at all, in harsh language or soft gets an argument...This is also bigotry because you are intolerant of her intolerance...Larger than that, you are intolerant of all kuffar intolerance...

A song for you...She's intolerant, you're intolerant, I'm intolerant, we are all intolerant bigots together...but only one of us is an intolerant religious bigot...
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Moron and Arsz at Rsqzs family
written by Mozlems , March 19, 2012
Lets not talk about the males in the family.
Lets talk about females only.
One who are bound to hell..
Ones who will witness the endless orgy in heaven if they go there.
Ones who will see their hubbies having xsomes with 72 houris even after they were supposed to be loyal to one.
is this punishment or reward? Allah knows best.
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M.&P.....
written by Amboyduke , March 19, 2012
go to your room.
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Very Interesting
written by Tanstaafl jw , March 19, 2012
That the Muslims posting to this article cannot answer Roman's arguments.

Let's make it simple for them. Why are the verses from Medina so different than the ones from Mecca?
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clement
written by fineliving56 , March 19, 2012
Elderly ?

I do not know? ... is 55 years old women or men is elderly ... may be, but not in my mind any way... and that is where it counts .

I do not mind revealing my age in fact I have ... I think I have mentioned it once before . I do not have hang ups about my age but I noticed woman's age, always used as an insult to Women by the Muslims here and non Muslims in other cultures some times, to diminished them .

Because that old age idea, women are only worth something when they are young and beautiful and could bare boys .. after that they are * old hags* old bags* ... what ever ..

And BTW ... isn't old age created by Allah ? [ at least in their mind]

Please note I am not saying you did ... and you wouldn't ... you are too respectful to mean it in that way.

By the time I was 22 I had three children .. 4 by 29 I grew up with them and raised them by my self with husband was so busy to make a good living for us .... I was a grandmother by 42 ... and now I have 6 of the most wonderful grandchildren whom I love very much.

I work out an hour a day and stay fit .. I take hardly any meds and I am healthy ... no drinking ..... I have no use for anything harmful to body and mind ...no problem ...

leaving Islam was the best thing ever happened to me ... it freed my mind to think of the endless possibilities .

Sorry from veering from main topic.
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Transtaafl jw...
written by Amboyduke , March 19, 2012
Very Interesting
written by Tanstaafl jw , March 19, 2012

That the Muslims posting to this article cannot answer Roman's arguments.

Let's make it simple for them. Why are the verses from Medina so different than the ones from Mecca?
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Probably because mohammad's syphillis had advanced making him more insane.
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Fineliving56
written by Muslim & Proud , March 19, 2012
leaving Islam was the best thing ever happened to me ... it freed my mind to think of the endless possibilities.


Is one of those endless possibilities spending time on IW and still talking about Islam?

Why do you want to leave Islam again...........again.........again?
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IC XC NIKA
written by eoin , March 19, 2012
what does the (SWT) mean in ilahs name could it mean Swine With Tribe also does the (SAWS) mean mohamad saws alot of heads off :-) pedophile prophet lets you bottom feeding koranic lowlives down everytime
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Amboyduke
written by Tanstaafl jw , March 19, 2012
Maybe there were two Prophets? OMG, we are doing their job for them! C'mon taquiyya artists - why the difference between the verses from Mecca and the verses from Medina?

Why is Allah so inconsistent?
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M&P Qaadiani
written by Apple , March 19, 2012

"Why do you want to leave Islam again...........again.........again?"

you weasel qaadiani...ex muslims are just sharing their hatred toward islam again..........again.........again

wats your problem you keep reading abuses to your father...mother.....allah....mohammed this is what coward qaadiani can do hiding in a dark room and i am sure you have a talibaan at your back.
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Apple Pie
written by Muslim and proud , March 19, 2012
Your father Mirza Qadiani was a laanti kafir
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Apple
written by fineliving56 , March 19, 2012
We ex Muslims and Muslimahs might have come to hate Islam ... but that is not why we are here for ... we are here to help shed blaring light on the truth of Islam that has been hidden for long time, and who else is better suited then the people who lived in it.
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Fineliving56
written by Muslim and proud , March 19, 2012
It is so obvious that someone else is posting - the post above is written by someone else......
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What?
written by fineliving56 , March 19, 2012
Muslim's paranoia is showing ..

So.... if I happen to not, make English mistakes .. it is not I who wrote the post

I have been known to do that occasionally ... haha

I assure ... it is me

The reason, some of my post have more English mistakes then others, it's because I do not have time to correct them properly ... it is hard when I am being watched by Muslims around me ... today I am free to do that!!!

happy to say...
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Can Muslims answer these points?
written by 1proudkaffur4life , March 19, 2012

65:12 Allah is He Who created seven Firmaments and of the earth a similar number.

There is some funny “hadith” explaining that the next earth is 500 years away from us.
Since when looking into outer space we see the past, they could not discover ONE other earth much less SEVEN


67:3 "We created seven heavens, one above the other. Muhammad, can you see any fault in Ar-Rahman's creation?

41: 2 So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge.

In 2.000 or 100.000 years? Since the stoned-gawd allaw stipulates in his “quoooaran” ONE day either to be 1.000 or 50.000 years.

I have a book, in it one Figures declares itself to be the mighty Ruebezahl, Well does it make therefore to be a real being? Even if they build him a “Museum” where some things refereing to this fairy tale is displayed. In fact where is the “proof! for your allah? Ah yes he stopped giving proof because some ancient people killed a camel.
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Cursed Kaffur 4 life
written by Muslim and proud , March 19, 2012
Are you incapable to do any research yourself?
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M&P
written by dead or alive , March 19, 2012
Do you think what 1proudkaffur4life Quotes from Islam about earth are true are false?
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Dead or alive
written by Muslim and proud , March 19, 2012
"Do you think what 1proudkaffur4life Quotes from Islam about earth are true are false?"

Would you like to have another go? On the house....
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written by duh_swami , March 19, 2012
The castigated Muslim who advocates murder and threats, has nothing valuable to say...All you get from him is baby jabber...
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Swami duh dumb
written by Muslim and proud , March 19, 2012
"The castigated Muslim who advocates murder and threats"

Your fingers must be aching by now bickhead....

Here is your next instruction - you MUST, without fail type "The castigated Muslim who advocates murder and threats" 160 times within the next 2 weeks - you will of course understand the relevance of 160 right bickhead?

Good dog
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M&P
written by dead or alive , March 19, 2012
Is that what Allah said about earth?Yes or no?
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Dead or Alive
written by Muslim & Proud , March 19, 2012
Is that what Allah said about earth?Yes or no?


The Holy Qur'an is the word of Allah (the exalted) and YES it is the absolute truth what Allah (the exalted) said about the earth.

Ps. What that DOES NOT mean is that the cursed kuffars misinterpretation is correct or it neither means he is indeed using a recognised/credible translation.

Hope that helps.
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M&P
written by dead or alive , March 19, 2012
In all my life here in state side,I never touched or seen a Koran.Can you convince me that Allah`s words are hotter than sunburn?
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written by duh_swami , March 19, 2012
The castigated Muslim who advocates murder and threat is spewing bile again...More castigation is required...
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Dead or alive
written by Muslim and proud , March 19, 2012
"In all my life here in state side,I never touched or seen a Koran.Can you convince me that Allah`s words are hotter than sunburn?"

I think I have right to a question first DorA, fair is fair?

What dya say?
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Ps
written by Muslim and proud , March 19, 2012
Swami duh dumb

DO ONE bickhead

Lol
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M&P
written by dead or alive , March 19, 2012
Go ahead.ask me.
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Dead or alive
written by Muslim and proud , March 19, 2012
"In all my life here in state side,I never touched or seen a Koran.Can you convince me that Allah`s words are hotter than sunburn?"

How will you convince yourself that you are willing to be convinced?

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M&P
written by dead or alive , March 19, 2012
If Allah`s words burn me hotter than sunburn.
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Dead or alive
written by Muslim and proud , March 19, 2012
"If Allah`s words burn me hotter than sunburn."

That's 'post the event' - I am talking 'pre'

Why don't you sleep on it

Here is the question again:

How will you convince yourself that you are willing to be convinced?

Good night.
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M&P
written by dead or alive , March 19, 2012
Surely there must be words of Allah that can brand a mans heart who never heard of this Allah?
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Allah creations
written by Yibel , March 19, 2012
Q.21: 30 Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined
together, before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

It took Allah four days (Q.41: 10) to put the right amount of goodness in the earth to make it suitable for our survival. The earth floats on water in a similar way a ship does, which used to cause a dangerous degree of instability.

21:31 We threw down (like anchors) firm mountains upon the earth lest it should move with them, and hewed out highways in the rock so they might be rightly guided.
21:32 We spread the heaven like a canopy and provided it with strong support: yet of its signs they are heedless.
21:33 It was He who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon: each swims swiftly in a path of its own.

The Quran views the universe as a massive room, the sky being the ceiling Q.21:32) and the earth being the floor. All of Allah’s creations are housed between these two major components. The blue dome we see during the day is a solid structure (Q.2:22) perfectly designed and hand-built by Allah with no cracks in it (Q.50: 6). The sky stands stable above the earth, supported by invisible pillars (Q.13: 2). If it were not for Allah’s mercy, the sky would certainly fall down on earth killing every one of us (Q.22: 65).

As per the Quran, the sun rises from the eastern side of the earth (where the people there are burnt from being to close to the sun) and sets in its western side, somewhere in muddy water (Q.18:86). The movement of the sun is not in an orbit (Arabic madar, which the Quran has never used) but in a path (falak) that starts in the east and ends in the west. In the aHadith, Muhammed adds to our knowledge that the sun actually prostrates to Allah during the night to get permission to rise again. In other words, the sun does not continue its path around the earth, and is never under the earth at any time because under the earth, there are seven other earths. Besides the sun’s main concern is to prostrate under Allah’s throne, high above the seven skies, and praise Allah all night. Allah likes lots and lots of praise.

That is the reason for all the arse lifting,
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P.S. M&P
written by dead or alive , March 19, 2012
That is`pre`.
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written by kope , March 19, 2012
Ramon

Dear Muslim Brothers and Sisters

Greetings in the name of Moon God, the beneficent and the Merciful!

lol

dumb ass christian
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Hi kope
written by dead or alive , March 19, 2012
Lay heart changing words of Allah on me.
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Gee
written by dead or alive , March 19, 2012
Could i be mocking Islam by asking how to become a Muslim,and then i decide not to be a Muslim?
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O Powerfull Allah
written by dead or alive , March 19, 2012
Reach out and touch someone.(by their own free will of course)
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Allah's universe!
written by Kafirwala , March 19, 2012
Dear Yibel, thanks a lot for your wonderful job of explaining Allah's infinite mercy for us, the cursed human beings and the mighty Allah's characteristics. I think, anybody with our average intelligence, cannot but prostrate before him. No doubt, the sun is doing that during night from time immemorial to this day and Allah might be mighty pleased with it! Another thing is his mercy in creating the sky as a canopy over our flat earth. What a fabulous creation! I think any amount of praise for Allah is not enough for this one mighty creation. Then he created night and day and then sun and moon to move on its separate paths! Wah! Wah! Wah! I just cannot but admire Allah's unique intelligence in creating night and day before sun and moon were created! Really wonderful! And to top it all, Allah's penchant to hear praises and praises from all of his creations day in and day out. What a fantabulous diety! Actually, the arse lifting his slaves display to show their prostration before him is a good exercise in itself. Doing it five times a day at least keep them away from the womenfolk during those times. I shudder to think otherwise what would have been their breeding rate! Now itself, the pigs are easily beaten in that game. Wow!
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Muslim & Proud
written by vbv , March 20, 2012
Yawn, yawn,yawn,.... You cannot face the reality of your backwardness. Muslims are a frustrated lot. They find that the nonmuslims are far ahead of them in knowledge, philosophy, science, culture ,civilisation,etc. Muslims are trapped in the time of the 7th century barbarianism of the arabs. So they play the cacophoney of the Quran ,which is incoherent, has the stone-age thinking of a supposed "god" of the arabs,who thinks of only murdering the nonmuslims, enslavement of women and children of the nonmuslims, divisive mentality with an extremely narrow perspective.....etc just to take out all the frustrations of nonachievements and utter failures around them. The jews have always been their first target because the jews called the bluff of their founding mafia-gangster who is a selfprocalimed "prophet" and the only one for the mad cult of islam ,whereas the rest has been robbed from the jewish mythology. Then they usurp the achievements of nonmuslims and put their names on it. Brigandry and robbery comes natural to them for their socalled prophet was a notorious one at that.They took out their frustyrations first by destroying many civilisations around their vicinity like the egyptians, babylonians, persian, tec and imposed their barbaric language of the arabs , obliterating the original language and cultures in entire north Africa, and the mediteranean regions in the middle-east like Syria, Lebanon,Palestine(Phoenicians),Iraq ( originally of Babylonia,Sumeria,Assyria,etc) and other places around . Only the Iranians are still speaking the language of their ancestors - persians. Why could nt they go beyond what they robbed and plaggiarised from the territories they had conquered till the 11th century ? Because they hit a roadblock , and innovation and creativity is not in the blood of the arabs or islam-infused populace , who can only gawk incoherently Quran,quran,quran... By the way even their Hadeeths were originally concocted and compiled by a central asian "Bukhari" . Sahi muslim hadeeths came afterwards. Bukhari authored in the 9th century based on hearsays and his own concoctions. Even the quran is a compilation made by Uthman ,the socalled companion of Muhamad. It is not "divinely inscripted" from the "heaven " by Allah. So much for your barbaric cult that flourishes in hate, narrowminded bigotry ,calling for destruction of all other cultures, civilisations , religions and atheisms.
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Will to Convince
written by Apple , March 20, 2012
How will you convince yourself that you are willing to be convinced?

Will to be convinced to believe in something that does not exist. Why should i believe that there are JINNS on earth as written in Quran??????

Mo could not convince people to islam finally he had to gather 10000 warriors to cause terror in mecca. In islam this is the only way to convince people.
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Muslim & Proud
written by Realj , March 20, 2012
Did you tell your wives not to wear burka, as Roman says burka is the symbol of Mohammad's sexual impotency. Since you seems to be a semi-intellectual I hope you would have told your wives
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RealJ
written by Muslim and proud , March 20, 2012
"Did you tell your wives not to wear burka, as Roman says burka is the symbol of Mohammad's sexual impotency. Since you seems to be a semi-intellectual I hope you would have told your wives"

A self respecting Muslim woman does not need to be "told" to wear a burka.
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Apple Pie
written by Muslim and proud , March 20, 2012
"Mo could not convince people to islam finally he had to gather 10000 warriors to cause terror in mecca. In islam this is the only way to convince people."

Were those 10000 "warriors" Muslims by any chance......lol
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Fineliving56
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , March 20, 2012
"I do not know? ... is 55 years old women or men is elderly ... maybe, but not in my mind any way... and that is where it counts . "

Thanks for the observation and query.

I think the issue of who is in the class of the elderly is a matter societal perception and also is relative, relative in the sense that if I am older than you even if I am 20 years old I am still your elder and I deserve that respect as your elder. But generally I think 55 age bracket should be in the middle age class. Not elderly and not in the youth age either.

If you get me right my grudge with these two morons is not only about your age but also about the maturity of your contribution in this site. Sometimes age is not a function of maturity but you have being doing well. Those two guys even if they are older than you they do not have your maturity. I hope you will not be offended this time if I call you elderly woman this time in Quote knowing that you are yet to be in that bracket.

Even if we go by age, a woman of 55 with grand children should not be treated as another sex object with disdain and without respect as do many people to women. You are just about the age of my junior sister and I know how I can feel if my junior sister is been ridiculed the way these two guys are doing here. In my culture women are special species’ that deserve gentle treatment and honor even when they are young and I think the Bible also support that. Your age apart as a woman you deserve respect and honored. How many women apostate of Islam have the courage to speak out like you do here?. For that, you deserve our respect as men of honor.

I don’t think anybody here feel distracted for this our little side talks

Cheers
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Yes they were
written by Apple , March 20, 2012
Were those 10000 "warriors" Muslims by any chance......lol

Were they holding swords M&P??? if yes they were warriors...

now sure you will say swords were made of plastic you believer of JINNS...am i right?
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Apple Pie
written by Muslim and proud , March 20, 2012
"Yes they were"

You are contradicting yourself loser....

First you said:

"Mo could not convince people to islam"

Then you said:

"finally he had to gather 10000 warriors"

You have confirmed these "warriors" were Muslim....
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M&Peanut
written by Apple , March 20, 2012

i never said they were not muslims...

read again low life i said Mo could not convince in mecca... agree or not??

Mo could not convince in Taif.. agree or not??

Finally he convinced in medina....i agree....why because medininians unlike meccans and taifians were poor
but good to become bandits and looters under leadership of Mo.

Mo returned to Mecca not with prophethood but 10000 warriors holding swords to conquer..agree or not

Question remains

why Mo could not impress and convert Prosperous Meccans and Taif people of his prophethood...i am sure u understand now peanut brain.

also believer of JINNS

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Apple Pie Lie
written by Muslim and proud , March 20, 2012
"read again low life i said Mo could not convince in mecca"

Here is what you said loser:

"Mo could not convince people to islam"

Lol - maybe you need to read it yourself to understand what you think you said and what it was supposed to mean....

As an apple, your brain is the size of a seed - lol lol lol

Good day
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M&Peanut
written by Apple , March 20, 2012
i am sure everyone knows what i am talking except you low life

your try to dodge my questions will not help you

Believer of JINNS
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Laaanti Muroon
written by KalaKela , March 20, 2012
Muroo tu is sit pay gand maranay ata ha. Gandu. Yaha sab teri ma behan ki lata hain lekin tuja gand maranay kay shauk hai. Abhi to to hath say gand dhota hai lekin jayaday gand maranay say gand say hath dho baitha gay. Do shar ko shaheed karkay khud be pyara ho jay. Hoora tera intjar kar rahi hai. Fati gand say to achaa hai jannat mai jana.
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Mos and the Burka revelation
written by Mozlems , March 20, 2012
Moron do you know Mos Burka revelation came after his wives were identified taking dump in the open.
So he devised a make shift tent AKA burka that was used to cover the women to hide their backsides while they oepned the bowels.
Do women follow the same traditon in your family too.
Do they take dump wearing burka I mean as adviced by Mo.
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Jinn in Morons arsz
written by Mozlems , March 20, 2012
There is a Jinn in Morons arsz.
On every fart when he lights a match a jinn comes out.

Not one many jinns live in him
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Islam is same as Nazism
written by Jamuna , March 20, 2012
This is a very nice article. It so clearly portrays mohamed, His koran and muslims of today. Thank you for a wonderful and enlightening piece of writing.
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jamuna
written by malem , March 20, 2012
How exactly can you make a valid argument supporting that statement as the two have not much in common at all?
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Doctor sweet doctor
written by duh_swami , March 20, 2012
You did bring your doctor papers didn't you?
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Jinn
written by duh_swami , March 20, 2012
We humans have all kinds of disembodied entities all around us...Jinn, angels and archangels, demons, ghosts, shells of dead things, shadow people, invisible space aliens, various spirits, orbs, kings and queens of the elements, gnomes, salamanders, sylphs, fairies, and the Seven Dwarfs...
The Quran didn't list them all...but it might have mentioned the Seven Dwarfs...
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Malem
written by dead or alive , March 20, 2012
What is 2nd best selling book in Muslim world?
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@ dead or alive
written by Mozlems , March 20, 2012
I am surprised if there is another book at all.
Really they have any other book apart from one?
You must be joking.
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Mozlems
written by dead or alive , March 20, 2012
The 2nd book is called`Mein Kampf`.That book written by 2nd largest a$$hole in history.We all know who is 1st largest a$$hole in history.
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Dead or alive
written by Muslim and proud , March 20, 2012
"We all know who is 1st largest a$$hole in history."

Absolutely - it's your leader SATAN.
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M&P
written by dead or alive , March 20, 2012
You funny man.
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written by duh_swami , March 20, 2012
Satan is an underling to Allah...Allah and Moloch run the Qlipoth, the underworld where various demons reside...Satan is in charge of the Muslim section...There are no kuffar in this subterranean pit of sewage...
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Duh dumbo duck
written by Muslim and proud , March 20, 2012
You are commanded to post again. You are obeying orders like a good dog - keep it up bickhead
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no mature dialogue?
written by Jye , March 20, 2012
So I read a lot of infantile posts on here, but not one counter argument to refute the subject - which puts forward valid points. All I see are a lot of posts deflecting from the subject by throwing around insults like an idiotic 8 year old. That alone speaks volumes.
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Jye
written by dead or alive , March 20, 2012
And the 8 year olds are...?
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Jye
written by dead or alive , March 20, 2012
Get the comments back in order.Give us posters an on topic opinion.
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Dead or alive / Jye
written by Muslim and proud , March 20, 2012
The 8 year olds are those who are not saying anything.

Fair comment Jye

Whether your comments are taken on board is another matter. I will always be polite to those who are polite (eg San) and Muslim bros (needless to say). The rest of you are more than welcome to carry on - I can play the role of a juvenile (DorA - you know what I mean) as and when required.
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M&P
written by dead or alive , March 20, 2012
What you mean,`jelly bean`?
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Dead or alive
written by Muslim and proud , March 20, 2012
You know, cold as snow
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M&P
written by dead or alive , March 20, 2012
I think you met to say`cold as ice`
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Dead or alive
written by Muslim and proud , March 20, 2012
It was once upon a time.......mr slime

That I said I won't hold back and cut some slack

If the pric*ks on this site wanna pick a (verbal) fight

I'm game and will have no shame

With those who are polite, I will not bite

And will have respect with no regret

Peace to those who do not aggressively oppose

That's a rap

Good night
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shrugs
written by Jye , March 20, 2012
Whether my comments are taken on board or not, doesn't bother me. The ridiculousness of these posts pretty much prove that no decent conversation is going to take place. Muslim and Proud, your first post was that the author of the letter had made a fool of himself, and yet you gave no reason for your statement, nothing to refute, no decent argument, nothing. If this man, in fact, has mad a fool of himself, I'd like to read the points arguing why. Surely the religion that we're told so often is the "religion of peace", can defend itself against some pretty damning accusations. No?
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M&P
written by dead or alive , March 20, 2012
So m&p can go from PHD to a juvenile in one sentence.
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written by duh_swami , March 20, 2012
I can play the role of a juvenile (DorA - you know what I mean) as and when required.

Which is always...

Muslims who advocate murder and threat must, and will be, castigated...It is the only decent thing to do...
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Jye
written by Muslim and proud , March 20, 2012
"Surely the religion that we're told so often is the "religion of peace", can defend itself against some pretty damning accusations. No?"

Absolutely and I welcome your challenge.

Are you planning to stick around or are you 'passing through'?
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Muhammad was a turd
written by Zdiddy , March 20, 2012
Muhammad was a turd and muslims are poor and stupid because they chose a pathetic impotent pedophile to follow. Destroy the middle east before the infestation spreads too much.... then let the Jews build on top of the ashes. Give the Jews 20 years and the middle east will be a productive part of the world again- the Jews could do in 20 years what the pathetic muslims couldn't do in 2000. What a pathetic people muslims are, just pathetic.
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Zdiddy the 8 year old
written by Muslim and proud , March 20, 2012
Enters the room

Impeccable timing
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written by Jye , March 20, 2012
I didn't offer any challenge. I was talking about the post subject (I thought that was obvious). I Just assumed that someone who professes to be proud of his religion (or hers) would passionately argue against the points made in the letter.
I'll stick around, if a decent discussion is possible.
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Jye
written by Muslim and proud , March 20, 2012
"I'll stick around, if a decent discussion is possible"

It's guaranteed.

Standby
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PHD..
written by dead or alive , March 20, 2012
Time now, say m&p to jye.
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???
written by Jye , March 20, 2012
Waiting...
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Jye
written by Muslim & Proud , March 20, 2012
Lets start at the beginning - title of the article:

"An Ex-Muslim’s Open Letter to Muslims of the World"

Ex-muslim right?

First 2 lines of the letter:

"Dear Muslim Brothers and Sisters

Greetings in the name of Allah, the beneficent and the Merciful!"

So according to this EX MUSLIM, Allah (the exalted) is "the benebicent and the merciful"

This is how (amongst other things) he has made a fool of himself.
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Correction
written by Muslim & Proud , March 20, 2012
Correction as follows:

beneficient
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written by Jye , March 20, 2012
Seriously? Are you going to refute any of his points or are you going to attack the fact that he might not have spell check on his browser, or that he's terrible at typing? Also, no need to correct. I got the gist of what he was saying, despite that typo. On to the "other things" then?
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written by Jye , March 20, 2012
Also, how does the fact that he isn't a great speller, make you mock the fact that he claims to be an ex-Muslim?
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Jye
written by Muslim & Proud , March 20, 2012
It was my typo that I was correcting btw ;-)

I typed "benebicent" in error.

Before we move on, please can you confirm if the person sending the letter has any credibility or not, considering the points I made?
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written by Jye , March 20, 2012
It was your mistake? Well then, I guess that was my mistake ;) Ok, I'll take that back.
The point you made, I assume was that he addressed you as a Muslim, by writing, ""Dear Muslim Brothers and Sisters

Greetings in the name of Allah, the beneficent and the Merciful!" I don't think this proves he has no credibility. Rather, that he might have felt that the Muslims he was addressing would be more responsive if he spoke in terms that were respectful to their faith and to his ex-faith. It shows he has respect that they are, unlike him, Muslims, and that he still holds Muslims - as people, not just adherents to Islam - dear to him.
So my answer is that I don't think you point proves his lack of credibility.
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Jye
written by Muslim & Proud , March 20, 2012
Greetings in the name of Allah, the beneficent and the Merciful!" I don't think this proves he has no credibility. Rather, that he might have felt that the Muslims he was addressing would be more responsive if he spoke in terms that were respectful to their faith and to his ex-faith.


With all due respect, I think that is very naive. Have a look on this website and see how many ex-muslims think Allah (the exalted) is beneficient and merciful.......not a single one.

The author of the letter is either lying or he is deceiving the reader.

It shows he has respect that they are, unlike him, Muslims, and that he still holds Muslims - as people, not just adherents to Islam - dear to him.


Once again, you only have to read the comments of ex-muslims regarding muslims to understand the hatred they have. I don't buy that at all.

One further point which refutes your argument is this (from the letter):

"The following are examples of the good and kind verses, Allah revealed to our Holy Prophet in Mecca when he had only one wife, Kadhija."

Notice the word OUR - not YOUR.

The author does not have any credibility as the letter is meant from an EX MUSLIM yet the content quite clearly proves he sees himself to be a muslim.

Over to you.

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Moron
written by Mozlems , March 20, 2012
How does it prove that he follows Islam.
Maybe he top doing wudu with mud and raising his arse in air 5 times a day...
Moreover his writings are against Islam.
If he were a tru muslim he dare not.
Or maybe he is a Takiya artist at best
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An 8 year old enters the room
written by Muslim & Proud , March 20, 2012
It's past your bed time son - night night.
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M&P
written by Jye , March 20, 2012
You call it naive, but I believe it came from a stance of respect. After all if you want someone to read an essay that basically craps all over your religion, you're going to address them in a way that will draw them in. But that is my opinion.
Say you're right and the person is an imposter, not an ex-Muslim at all, but a "kuffar" trying to convince Muslims to renounce their religion. Is it relevant in light of the points made? I don't want to debate whether you think this man really is an apostate from Islam, I want to debate the points he made, and whether they have any factual substance. He might have just wanted to sugar coat his message, for all I know, or he might have been speaking from a tense when he did believe. It's circumstantial to me, really.
So to get the ball rolling, why were the Meccan verses of the Quran abrogated for the Medina verses? That was his first point, yes? It's legit enough for me, as I wouldn't expect an all powerful God to need a first draft, nor to suddenly turn intolerant and divisive. (I'm referring to the contradicting versus made in the letter)
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written by Jye , March 20, 2012
overlook my typos, because I really cant be bothered correcting myself.
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Jye
written by Muslim & Proud , March 20, 2012
Before we move on to the other points, please confirm:

Does the author have any credibility or not?

This is important - I hope you understand.
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no mockery, yeah?
written by Jye , March 20, 2012
no snide "8 year old" titles anymore, ok? If you want to make jibes about anything I've written, straight up will be fine. I told you, I wasn't here to be drawn into that mentality.
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written by Jye , March 20, 2012
I understand quite well, thank you, and my answer is that it's debatable whether he was or was not an ex-muslim. Your points are circumstantial, so I do not think it's important, because the bigger question is; is it relevant compared to the points he made?
Are you stalling? Please move on to point one.
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written by Jye , March 20, 2012
If the basis of your argument is that no non-muslim can ever properly understand the Quran, Hadiths, and Sira, and therefore all the points made are void, then tell me now. It's a weak argument and one I've heard all too often. I cannot believe that millions of Islamic scriptures have been translated incorrectly. It's laughable at best.
But then maybe that's not what you're trying to trap me into. So how about we skip the validity of this mans religion and address the validity of the points he's made instead?
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-.-
written by Jye , March 20, 2012
This convo is beginning to feel one sided...
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Jye
written by duh_swami , March 20, 2012
The Muslims posting here take nap, food and prayer breaks, so they disappear and then reappear...If you want to converse (good luck) you sort of have to wait them out...
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M&P was right..
written by dead or alive , March 20, 2012
..when he said this about himself.``This 8 year old is not saying anything``.
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Jye
written by fineliving56 , March 20, 2012
I like your approach ...

I am sorry to say it is wasted on that Muslim ... he proved him self to be childish and ignorant of real Islam or better word the applied Islam ...

he is naive, bias and stock on him self. His month long embarrassment of being thrown around like a ball without giving not one real answer ... all he writes is demeaning personal words that makes him sound aggressive and abusive ...

He is taking it personally and he is lashing out .. he should not .. of course

criticizing Muhammad to him seems as bad as criticizing his person. He got him self admitting approval of killing all critics of Muhammad ... if that was not foolish enough ... he runs around up and down the threads talking incoherent words.

What so strange but typical from Muslims that I have lived and associated with, is that threats of killing and beheading only happen when Muhammad is criticized, Allah on the other hand, is not as important ... it seems only a reprimand is warranted by Muslims when that happens .

Is the reason for that irrational feelings, is that Muslims know deep down, that the real inventor of Islam is Muhammad not Allah!!

fineliving56
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To the proud moron
written by Archpagan , March 21, 2012
'With all due respect, I think that is very naive. Have a look on this website and see how many ex-muslims think Allah (the exalted) is beneficient and merciful.......not a single one.'

I believe Allah is beneficent and merciful. But, Muhammad, the criminal sullied His holy name by ascribing his own selfish rants to His name. May Allah burn Muhammad in hell for eternity. Invoking peace for him will not help.
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Muhammad's god swears
written by Yibel , March 21, 2012
by the high god Marduk and stars and planets and night fall and morning:

81:15-21 I swear by the turning planets, and by the stars that rise and set; by the night when it descends, and the first breath of morning; this is the word of a gracious and mighty messenger (Jibril?). Held in honor by the Lord of the Throne

(Note: The Lord of the Throne is one of the fifty names of the high god of Babylon, MARDUK), who is obeyed in heaven, faithful to his trust. (Marduk is obeyed in heaven and faithful to his trust according to Babylonian mythology.)

81:22-26 No, your compatriot is not mad. He saw him on the clear horizon. He does not grudge the secrets of the unseen; nor is this the utterance of an accursed devil.
81:27 Whither then are you going?

Not the utterance of an accursed devil? Well, you sure could have fooled me!
No wonder Muhammad was having a difficult time getting followers.
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Jye
written by Muslim and proud , March 21, 2012
and my answer is that it's debatable whether he was or was not an ex-muslim. Your points are circumstantial, so I do not think it's important, because the bigger question is; is it relevant compared to the points he made?
Are you stalling? Please move on to point one.


The title of the article quite clearly states this is a letter from an ex-muslim, yet you are saying it's debatable whether he was an ex-Muslim or not. If you think it's debatable, why are you sidestepping the issue?

Ps. We will move on to the other points, in good time.
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fineliving56
written by Jye , March 21, 2012
It became evident to me straight away that I wouldn't get any straight answers, but rather a lot of evasive, deflective comments and avoidance of the topic. To date, I've never seen or heard one Muslim accurately defend Mohammed without using one of these defenses;
1: You need to be able to read Arabic to properly understand Islamic scriptures. or;
2: The verses are deliberately taken out of context or translated incorrectly by non-Muslims to make Mohammed look bad.
3: There are also violent scriptures in the Old Testament too, not only in the Quran...
Ah well, was worth a shot.

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one thing Jye
written by bundypig , March 21, 2012
fineliving speaks arabic fluently, M$Perverted doesn't, he speaks pigeon arabic..mostly from memorising the mumbo jumbo in the koran, like all the muzzies on here...but fineliving has their number and they know it, so M$Perverted is reduced to acting like a small child, with stupid comments and such, all you have to do is read what he posts here. Ah yes the Old Testament ploy, although not to cunning on his part, he could use the New Testament as an example?
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M&P
written by Jye , March 21, 2012
The title of the article quite clearly states this is a letter from an ex-muslim, yet you are saying it's debatable whether he was an ex-Muslim or not. If you think it's debatable, why are you sidestepping the issue?

Ps. We will move on to the other points, in good time.

I didn't see this post at first. My apologies.

I am not side stepping anything. You were the one trying to assert that the man is lying, not me. Stop with the game playing. If the man claims to be an ex-Muslim then take him for it as his word and move on the validity of the points he makes in his letter. Are you able to do that or not? Yes or no? It is really that simple
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M&P
written by Jye , March 21, 2012
One more time, if you will, Muslim and Proud.
The man who wrote the letter claims to be an ex-Muslim, you have stated that you believe him to be lying. I, on the other hand, will give him the benefit of the doubt in lieu of the logical points he made.
So lets move on to those points. Can you explain the abrogation of the peaceful and tolerant Meccan verses in the Quran, for the intolerant, violent Medina Verses? Why does Allah do a complete turn about on his original revelation?
Can you answer? Or will you write post after post deliberately evading this one question?
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Jye
written by duh_swami , March 21, 2012
I think the author was using a literary device to meld with his intended audience...Had he said, I am an ex Muslim who is going to explain reality to you, he would get automatic rejection and snickers...He is following Jesus advice of not resisting evil or fanning the flames of a fire...
His attempt is to not alienate his audience, but still get his message across...I thought that he was pretty smart in taking a soft approach...
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Muslims will never change
written by MRobs , March 21, 2012
Muslims have been bloodletting since the 7th century and they will never progress beyond this savage behavior because they are incapable of rational, intelligent thought. In other words you just can't fix stupid. The only good thing is that most of the time they are killing eachother - keep up the good work!
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Jye
written by Muslim and proud , March 21, 2012
So lets move on to those points. Can you explain the abrogation of the peaceful and tolerant Meccan verses in the Quran, for the intolerant, violent Medina Verses? Why does Allah do a complete turn about on his original revelation?


I will absolutely explain. What you are first required to do is prove any abrogation. The abrogation is a 'claim' by the author and not necessarily a fact. Please prove that the Meccan verses were 'abrogated' by the Medina verses?

Good luck.

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Abrogation...
written by duh_swami , March 21, 2012
The reason for abrogation is consistency...When a prior verse is inconsistent with a later verse, abrogation becomes necessary...If not for this device, Allah would be contradicting himself...The verse claiming no compulsion in religion has to be abrogated by the later verses that say to fight kuffar until all worship Allah...They are self cancelling and cannot exist at the same time...Abrogation keeps Allah consistent, without it is scripture chaos...
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Duh dumb opinion
written by Muslim and proud , March 21, 2012
"They are self cancelling and cannot exist at the same time...Abrogation keeps Allah consistent, without it is scripture chaos..."

If you shout "fake" 160 times, do you think you will convince anyone?

Lol

You are order to respond and continue posting here bickhead
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M&P
written by Jye , March 21, 2012
I am not required to do anything. I have only asked if you were able to refute the points of the letter. The first point is the contradicting verses. The versus quoted by the author exist, do they not? They exist and yet they are a complete contradiction of each other.
Please explain without deflecting onto me. I am not the author of the letter, not am I a Muslim required to defend your faith.
Again you have avoided answering. Will you "absolutely explain" now, or will there be more evasive posts?
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ps
written by Jye , March 21, 2012
it is an oxymoron that the exalted and beneficient, Allah, would reveal contradictory revelations.
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Jye
written by Muslim and proud , March 21, 2012
Let me remind you what you said:

Can you explain the abrogation of the peaceful and tolerant Meccan verses in the Quran, for the intolerant, violent Medina Verses?


You need to prove the abrogation, before I explain.

Please prove that the Meccan verses were abrogated by the Medina verses?
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Addendum
written by Muslim and proud , March 21, 2012
It's a bit like a judge asking the accused:

Why did you murder so and so?

The proof is required before any explanation is to be sought...
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written by Jye , March 21, 2012
That's quite simple. Either the Quran exists with contradictory verses that cancel each other out, thereby making it a laughing stock, or you take the versus explaining the "substitution of one revelation for another" (Surah 16:101) as truth. There are four versus justifying abrogation. Certain Meccan versus were cancelled out by Medinan versus since they were in direct contradiction to each other.
Again you have managed to squirm your way out of answering. Again are you going to address the subject matter of the letter, or demand I answer for you?

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written by Jye , March 21, 2012
of course, versus = verses.
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written by duh_swami , March 21, 2012
You need to prove the abrogation, before I explain.

No kuffar needs to prove anything to you murder enthusiast...Islam is your religion, so it is up to you to prove it's veracity...But you can't prove anything, all you can do is submit to castigation...
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Jye
written by Muslim and proud , March 21, 2012
You need to prove the abrogation. Your opinion on the matter is not acceptable as te benefit of doubt cannot be given to yourself.

Please prove that the Meccan verses were abgorated by the Medina verses?

Or are you now saying there was no abrogation?

Please confirm.
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duh_swami
written by Jye , March 21, 2012
Muslim and Proud isn't going to offer up one argument to refute this letter, is he?
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Muslim and Proud
written by Jye , March 21, 2012
Your Quran explains abrogation, ie: the subsitution of verses when they contradict each other - numerous times. You are determined to avoid answering at all costs, aren't you?
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Jye
written by duh_swami , March 21, 2012
Muslim and Proud isn't going to offer up one argument to refute this letter, is he?

Nope...He rarely ever answers a straight forward question, or even a crooked one...He is incapable of actual debate...But he does advocate murder which is why I castigate him...
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duh_swami
written by Jye , March 21, 2012
So he's only here to troll, not to actually debate anything being put forward? I am getting what I expected from him, so ...
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To Moron but Proud
written by Archpagan , March 21, 2012
Meccan and Medinan verses are contradictory to each other and therefore they cancel each other out and Koran is just a bullshit fit to be used as toilet paper. Intelligence level of rape-seed like you is really stunning.
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Jye
written by Muslim and proud , March 21, 2012
If you prove that the Meccan verses were abrogated by the Medina verses, I will refute you. It's a promise.

Please provide thenproof and not your opinion.
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Jye
written by duh_swami , March 21, 2012
None of the four Muslims posting frequently here, M&P, RZQ, Malman and 'then lie, are actually open for debate...They all indulge in obfuscation, evasion, avoidance, tu quoque, and personal insults...RZQ likes to debate Christians about Christianity but does not care to discuss Islam too much...Of the four M&P is the most juvenile and disruptive...
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written by Jye , March 21, 2012
I asked you if you could refute the points in this subject letter, not MY opinions. You've twisted this conversation in order to avoid answering a thing. The letter offers several contradictory verses while Mohammed was in Mecca and then Medina. I stated that abrogation existed in the Quran, which isn't my opinion, but a fact. A fact you haven't refuted, either. You haven't offered up a single argument, other than it was your OPINION that the man lied about being an ex-muslim. I'm not into games. You have proven you're a troll unable to contribute to serious dialogue.
Ciao, I'm not going to waste my time on you again.
:)
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duh_swami
written by Jye , March 21, 2012
I've had discussions with a few Muslims, and a lot of the time when they have no answers they will point out verses in the Old Testament as justification. I don't like to push it much after that. You can lead a horse to water, as they say. The fact of the matter is that a lot of Muslims relish in the violence and misogyny of Islam and have no intention of questioning it.
As for M&P, I'd ignore him for now on. Don't feed the trolls and all that...
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Jye
written by Muslim and proud , March 21, 2012
Unlucky Jye

You did try - I'll give you that
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written by duh_swami , March 21, 2012
Thank you for confirming Jye opinion...You just caused it to morph into a fact...Good work...see Castigation does work...Now if we could just get you some morals...
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Duh dumb swami
written by Muslim and proud , March 21, 2012
Remember your orders that you must obey

Keep the posts coming in bickhead
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When Islamic states..
written by dead or alive , March 21, 2012
..leave their minority unprotected.Muslims like m&p will show up at a local`reconciliation meeting` between Muslims and non believers.When we see m&p debate here,how do you like your chances in a room full of like minded Muslims?
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Jye
written by Muslim & Proud , March 21, 2012
"The fact of the matter is that a lot of Muslims relish in the violence and misogyny of Islam and have no intention of questioning it."

Indeed they do - they are known as terrorists and do not in any way represent the majority......as you well know.
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Letter - Verse 1
written by Muslim & Proud , March 21, 2012
“Be patient with what they say, and part from them courteously” (Q.73:10)

The following verse says:

(73:11) Leave it to Me to deal with the affluent ones who give the lie (to the Truth), and bear with them for a while.

Just this one example is enough to refute the author and his points.

Islam haters always have a habit if cherry picking verses in order to justify their hatred.
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written by duh_swami , March 21, 2012
they are known as terrorists and do not in any way represent the majority.

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists represent the majority of Muslims...Especially the castigated type that advocate murder and threat...Anyone who believe in murder for Allah, Mohammad, or Islam, is a terrorist...and will be castigated...
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Duh swami dumbo
written by Muslim and proud , March 21, 2012
It was only a few days ago you said to me:

"you are not qualified for a response"

You just love proving that you are a hypocrite
Lol

Well done for obeying the orders
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...
written by duh_swami , March 21, 2012
The castigated Muslim who advocates murder and threat kneels to kuffar superiority...
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Duh dumb swami
written by Muslim and proud , March 21, 2012
"The castigated Muslim who advocates murder and threat kneels to kuffar superiority..."

Unlikely dumbo...

The the (lol) Muslims never kneel to kuffars

It is you who is obeying the Muslim.

And you will do so again, by posting a response bickhead - you are obeying like you should loser - keep it up
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written by dead or alive , March 21, 2012
During Iraq war.The Muslims ran up to American soidiers and they got on their knees with hands high.
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Mistranslation?
written by 1proudkaffur4life , March 21, 2012
I’ve done enough “research” to know CRAP when I see it, and this QUOORAAN is crap.


Ah I see the Muslim here called me cursed, as well as me using a “misinterpretation”.
First of all any book can be translated into any other language, being two-lingual myself, it is oftentimes not so easy to convey the meaning. But lets just focus on WHAT is being “mistranslated”: THE ONE BOOK regarded as the most important in the whole world.
Can we be sure that the book BURNED recently in Afghanistan was translated CORRECTLY if it was written in the NATIVE Afghan language?
So if the quooarans (and I can look up at least FIVE”) I pulled my quotes from are people who did a bad job... Muslims in Afghanistan could be killing people over a book that was not correctly translated!

65. At-Talâq Noble Quuoran

It is Allâh Who has created seven heavens and of the earth the like thereof (i.e. seven). His
Command descends between them (heavens and earth), that you may know that Allâh has power over all things, and that Allâh surrounds (comprehends) all things in (His) Knowledge.

Yusuf Ali Translation

65
12Allah is He Who created seven Firmaments and of the earth a similar number. Through the midst of them (all) descends His Command: that ye may know that Allah has power over all things, and that Allah comprehends, all things in (His) Knowledge.

Pickthal Translation

Allah it is who hath created seven heavens, and of the earth the like thereof. The commandment cometh down among them slowly, that ye may know that Allah is Able to do all things, and that Allah surroundeth all things in knowledge.

Shakir

Allah is He Who created seven heavens, and of the earth the like of them; the decree continues to descend among them, that you may know that Allah has power over all things and that Allah indeed encompasses all things in (His) knowledge.

But guess what I trow in even a GERMAN version: “ Ahmadeyya Translation:


Allah ist es, Der sieben Himmel erschuf und von der Erde eine gleiche Zahl.




quote END]

So if you look up “sieben” it does mean “seven” so now I’ve quote at least FOUR translations. And all speak about SEVEN Heaven as well as SEVEN earth!

Will you say that these four people ALL mistranslated the arab original?
Then others who own quoorans in French Italian confirm that it means SEVEN EARTHS.
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Cursed kuffar for life
written by Muslim & Proud , March 21, 2012
Check seven layers of the earth.

Good luck.
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you can't disprove a thing
written by infidel and proud , March 21, 2012
Muslim and Proud:

You are a typical muslim. You have done absolutely NOTHING in this long and tiresome exchange to disprove ANY of the points the letter writer brings up. Zero. So now people reading this are left with a couple of impressions:
1. The letter writer's points are irrefutable, even by muslims
2. Muslims suck at debate. You use diversion, distraction, shifting the conversation, ignoring points completely...but you rarely if ever answer questions, and you have no logic skills. All your babble, muslim and proud (proud of WHAT? Worshiping the words of a pedophile? Yeah, I'd be proud too, if I was brainwashed and in a cult like you) has done NOTHING to refute a thing. The letter writer's points stand, and everyone reading this sees muslims gnashing their teeth, getting pissy, but doing NOTHING to disprove or refute them. Because you can't. And you KNOW you can't. And it drives you nuts that you're committed to such a ridiculous, intolerant, ignorant, outrageous CULT. You should follow the letter writer's advice and get out NOW. And don't even bother with the whole "Christians are just as bad" thing. those kinds of fallacious comparisons are both logically incorrect AND wasted on me...cuz I'm not a christian, but an infidel. I don't understand how you can even show your face on here. Why on earth you would be proud to be part of a murderous, ridiculous nonsense cult like islam is completely beyond me.
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Cursed Infidel
written by Muslim and proud , March 21, 2012
Let's see how good YOU are infidel.

"Worshiping the words of a pedophile?"

Prove your accusation.

I'm waiting to refute you sunshine - let's see what you have to offer in the defence of your statement above.
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PS Ha-ha!
written by infidel and proud , March 21, 2012
I'm laughing at you, Muslim and Proud. laughing really, really hard. You're too ignorant to even realize you are ignorant! And more people are waking up every day to the REALITY that islam is not the religion of peace, but a cult of intolerance, ignorance, repression, and fear. How many people have you converted to Islam this week, M&P? I personally have closed 4 people's hearts to islam FOREVER so far this week...just by explaining some of the views of the 'prophet' from hadiths to them and how these views affect you cult members today. Have you converted 4 people to islam this week? If not, you'd better get busy, because I plan to continue spreading the TRUTH about your cult, opening eyes and closing hearts. Gradually people are waking up to the cancerous filth that is islam, and i am one of the alarm clocks! Face facts. The points in the letter are true. You can't refute them. You're proud of being allied with a filthy criminal from the 7th century. Good job. Get out of the cult now.
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Cursed Infidel
written by Muslim and proud , March 21, 2012
Have another go.

"Worshiping the words of a pedophile?"

Prove your accusation.

I'm waiting to refute you.
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Moron but Proud
written by Archpagan , March 21, 2012
Your behavior over here exemplifies to what level of barbarity, absurdity, stupidity and indecency a Muslim can stoop. You are really the ideal follower of the desert bandit, the Maha-Motherchod named Muhammad.

Anyway, why are you disobeying “Be patient with what they say, and part from them courteously”? (Q.73:10)
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Mistranslation part two
written by 1proudkaffur4life , March 22, 2012
At the proud Muslim:
OK if the quooran(s) I’m reading are mistranslated, then please point me to the version(s) YOU deem authoritative... best would be of course ONLINE ONES. :-)
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Incorrect Translations
written by Malem , March 22, 2012
All the verses of the Quran are authorative, what you are pointing to is when people attempt to convert them to other languages, for example english. In that process many times there are translations that are done incorrectly sometimes on the bias of the translator, or their lack of knowledge of the Arabic language at that time etc. So the answer to your question is a simple one, all the verses handed down by Allah are authorative and the only authorative words by Allah are in the Koran, not Sharia not Hadith etc..
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Cursed kuffar for life
written by Muslim and proud , March 22, 2012
Check seven layers of the earth.

Google it - if you have the capacity to do so.

Good luck.
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M&P
written by Malem , March 22, 2012
Salaam bro, he can go here http://www.missionislam.com/sc...ayers.html it proves the accuracy of the Quran... Problem is people do not want to read 50-100-500 pages and take time to understand it, it is easier to read a 3 sentence falsehood.
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Malem
written by Muslim and proud , March 22, 2012
You are right.

The Holy Qur'an, if understood correctly, refers to the seven layers and not seven earths as the kuffar like to claim - their claim, as you point out, is based on ignorance.
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still you're a coward
written by infidel and proud , March 22, 2012
M&P....53 year old marrying a 6 year old= pedophile. that's how muslims today justify marrying children, because of their leader's shining pedo example. refute the letters claims, or else the claims stand. It's really quite simple. I don't HAVE to refute anything. I understand...refuting the letter is an impossible task. Why won't you just admit it. You have three choices, really...1. refute the letter with logic and reality 2. continue your evasion and never refuting anything in the letter, which makes both you AND your cult look just as foolish as they are 3. admit your cult is indefensible and renounce it. Some defender of islam YOU are...you can't refute a single element of an apostate's damning, on target criticism of your cult. poor thing. You probably wish we'd all read koran 5:101-102 and just shut our mouths, don't you! Sorry, that's just not going to happen.
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Source of the Qur'an's scientific fables
written by Yibel , March 23, 2012
The Rig Veda and Atharva Veda of the Hindi:

Rig Veda 3:6:5, Great are the deeds of thee, the Great, O Agni (Al-Malik): thou by thy power hast spread out earth and heaven

Rig Veda 9:74:2, A far-extended pillar that supports the sky the Soma-stalk, filled full, moves itself every way.

Rig Veda 10:58:3, Thy spirit, that went far away, away to the four-cornered earth,

Rig Veda 10:62:3, Ye raised the Sun to heaven by everlasting Law, and spread broad earth, the Mother (Ummah), out on every side.

Atharva Veda 20:118:4, With might hath Indra (Al-Qawwiy) spread out heaven and earth, with power hath Indra (Al-Nur) lighted up the Sun.

Atharva Veda 18:4:89, Within the waters runs the Moon, the strong-winged Eagle soars in heaven.

Atharva Veda 11:3:2. Heaven and Earth are the ears, the Sun and Moon are the eyes, the seven Rishis are the vital airs inhaled and exhaled.

And to terrorise the unbelievers:

Atharva Veda 5:8:4, Run, ye Fxertions, farther on By (Allah) Indra's order smite and slay. As a wolf worrieth a sheep, so let not him escape from you while life remains. Stop fast his breath.

Dismember, mutilate & decapitate...how beautiful!
Atharva Veda 12:5:67 Strike off the shoulders and the head.
68.Snatch thou the hair from off his head, and from his body strip the skin:
69.Tear out his sinews, cause his flesh to fall in pieces from his frame.
70.Crush thou his bones together, strike and beat the marrow out of him.
71.Dislocate all his limbs and joints.

Rig Veda10:CLX:4, He looks with Ioving favour on the mortal who, like a rich man, pours for him the Soma. Maghavan in his bended arm supports him: he slays, unasked, the men who hate devotion (Muhammad, the Highly Praised One).

And be sure to invoke Indra (Allah) for wives & horses as booty:
Rig Veda 4:17:16 Eager for booty, craving strength and horses, we-singers stir Indra, the strong, for friendship, Who gives the wives we seek, whose succour fails not, to hasten, like a pitcher to the fountain.

Unlike Ghandi, his lord Indra (most popular of gods in the Vedas) was not a coward. Indra the butcher took every opportunity to instill terror into his enemies & spoil their goods.

Rg Veda 4:17:7 Moreover, when thou first wast born, O Indra, thou struckest terror into all the people.

Atharva Veda 5:21:3 (p.a182) …Bedewed with sacrifical oil, speak terror to our enemies.

Yajur Veda 17:39 Piercing the cow-stalls with surpassing vigour, Indra, the pitiless Hero, wild with anger,Victor in fight, unshaken and resistless,—may he protect our armies in our battles.

Rig Veda 1:CIII:6, To him the truly strong, whose deeds are many, to him the strong Bull let us pour the Soma.The Hero, watching like a thief in ambush, goes parting the possessions of the godless.

Rg Veda 5:35:1. INDRA, for our assistance bring that most effectual power of thine, Which conquers men for us, and wins the spoil, invincible in fight.
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Infidel & proud
written by Muslim and proud , March 23, 2012
Infidel,

Let me make one thing absolutely clear. I am NOT asking you to refute anything. I am asking you to PROVE. There is a subtle difference. If you are unable to prove your claims, that results in refutation on my side. Try not to get confused my friend.

M&P....53 year old marrying a 6 year old= pedophile.


So the basis of your accusation, is the marriage of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) to Aisha (ra). Ok, we are getting somewhere now.

Tell me this Infidel, do YOU believe it is a fact that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) married Aisha (ra)?

Yes or No

I understand...refuting the letter is an impossible task. Why won't you just admit it.


Not impossible at all. Let's continue with this one element (accusation of paedophilia and you will see).

So here is the key question from my response - answer it if you dare and we will make some progress:

Do YOU believe it is a fact that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) married Aisha (ra)?

Yes or No

You accused me of "evasion" - let's see if you are a hypocrite or not.

Here are the choices I am giving you (and there are four - as a muslim, it is my duty to give you additional oppurtunity and not to be stingy ;-):

1 - Your answer is YES. In this case, you believe the Hadith to be factual, even though you are a proud infidel.

2 - Your answer is NO. In this case, if the marriage was not a fact according to YOU, how can you possibly make an accusation of paedophilia.

3 - You evade the question, in which case you are a hypocrite.

4 - You do none of the above, in which case, you are a coward.

Best of luck and make sure you think carefully about your answer. Feel free to say either 1,2,3 or 4.
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can we say...
written by bundypig , March 23, 2012
that even though the hadith is bs, that IT says that mo married a child?
Maybe call that 5 you dink
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Bundy
written by Muslim and proud , March 23, 2012
Are finding it too difficult to stick to the advice you give others? About ignoring me?

Loser

that even though the hadith is bs, that IT says that mo married a child?
Maybe call that 5 you dink


Lol
Lol
Lol

Did Cinderella go to the ball or not?

The story says she went to the ball. If somebody was hell bent on proving she didn't, they would need to be locked up - with you......LOL LOL LOL
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@Proud Moron and Cindrella
written by Mozlem , March 23, 2012
The bigger question is if the shoe fitted her so well that it was just custom built for her, why and how did it fall off when she ran ?
Dont think you thought of that before?
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Mozlem
written by Muslim and proud , March 23, 2012
The bigger question is if the shoe fitted her so well that it was just custom built for her, why and how did it fall off when she ran ?
Dont think you thought of that before?


I don't have time to debate fairy tales.

You obviously do.
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Fairytales
written by Mozlems , March 23, 2012
It was not about time but that you did not think of it even when you started the thread so the point is there is always another aspect or simply put viewpoint; and thats what we call critical thinking.
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Infidel
written by Malem , March 23, 2012
There is no proof or authorization in Islam that states one can marry a child, if there is please point it out in the Quran.
If you had read Quran 5.101 you would not be putting any value in anything other than the Quran. Letters people have wrote about the prophet Muhammed, have no bearing on the Quran as they are not the word of Allah! I know you want to try and say that anything you want is related to Islam, you cannot as Allah clearly states in the Quran that only IT is the word of Allah, nothing can be substituted for it. That means a fools cartoons, are no valid for anything other than toilet humor.
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@Malman and selctive amnesia otherwise suggest checkup for Dementia,Alzheimer's and MML Mind memory loss
written by Infidel and More Proud , March 23, 2012
With due respect to you unless you are not deliberatly forgetting AKA have selective amnesia please get checkup for Dementia, Alzheimer's or MML mind memroy loss. Just for some memory jog please read your conversations (historical) and you will recall some of your toilet humor (posts against Duh) but if memory loss is not deliberate you must see a doctor. Even doctors need to go to doctors sometime. Health is more important for we can disect Quran, Hadith, Sunnah and Sharia et al later. With your good health we can carry on these conversation many time over but you must get yourself a clean certificate of health first.....
We will discuss child marriage later once you clarify the connection between Sharia Sunnah and Quran.. BTW if you recall RW also ducked this question.
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Infidel or Duh
written by Malem , March 23, 2012
Something tells me you have taken on the same type of conversing as Duh, or maybe you are Duh, who knows. There is no connection between the Quran and any other letters or man made Sharia. IF and I mean IF, you had read the Quran and took a few moments to understand it you would see clearly Allah forbade anything to try and take the place of the Quran. In other words Allah knew some men would try to use the Words of Allah for their gain, and thus stated clearly about that. I have no interest in who else ducked what, it is irrelavent. As for historical posts, there were more than a few times that posts from both me and Duh were posted, that did not originate from us. Maybe someone having fun or trying to cause some issues who know, who cares. So again read the Quran, and you will see what you are arguing about is not part of Islam as Allah had outline for man. Peace

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@Malman and your Bro the Pearly Boy
written by Infidel and More Proud , March 24, 2012
Please make up your mind.
What you and pearly boy said is contradictory. Does this mean individuals have one person Islam i.e. Islam varies from person to person. isnt it supposed to be one version. Please consult the Pearly boy for his view of Sharia, Hadith, Sunnah and Quran and how it fits together. maybe you are not a SME in this regards.
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written by bundypig , March 24, 2012
I'm noticing a pattern with malmans posts...he ALWAYS starts by saying, in different ways, that "you have not read the koran so you don't know jackshit" while the total opposite is true. So what about the hadith written by men and not actually islamic, but totally against what the koran says...what about it malman, isn't that your stance?
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@Bundy
written by Infidel and More proud , March 24, 2012
And he does not give his or the correct version either.
When challenged he shows his anger and frustration without any insight or refutation of the original article or discussion.
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written by bundypig , March 24, 2012
lets face it...he's a c*nt

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