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My Paradise Lost, Thanks to Muslims: Australian Granny

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My life in my beloved country is over, they have won, Australia as we knew no longer exists! How I weep, my paradise gone.

In January 2008, Bishop Nazir Ali of Rochester kicked up outrage by writing in the Sunday Telegraph that increasing number of native white Britons see many of their streets in Muslim immigrants dominated areas had become "no-go" zones. Amidst the controversy, Olga Craig surveyed some of Yorkshire's Muslims dominated areas in order to see if Bishop Nazir Ali was right.

Tim Carbin in his 50s, who grew in the Oak Lane in Bradford and had moved out 10 miles north of Bradford, told Ms Craig, “I feel like an alien, like I’m on a street in Karachi.

What was worrying Corbin, wrote Ms Craig, "is that Britain’s increasing espousal of multiculturalism has led not to an integrated society but, instead, to ghettoisation, with white-only and Asian-only communities existing cheek by jowl but with little or no common ground. And that, he believes, could have an ominous outcome."

Mr Corbin is amongst many white Britons, who had to move out of Muslims dominated areas in Britain, and many of them are even leaving the shores of Britain, heading to Australasia and North America. A survey a few years ago showed more native Britons are moving out of the country than those coming in. Squeezed out by immigrants from the mostly-Islamic third world countries, many Europeans are finding Australia as their next dream home. But that may not last long. A 70-year-old Australian granny write to explaining how her home, which she deemed her paradise, has been lost, thanks to Muslim immigrants. Here's her story:

I am a 69-year-old grandma, 5 foot 1 inch tall.

One day, I was in a Big W store and the loudspeaker said rails of cloths at chuck out price, so I walked over. A six-foot man pushed me into the racks as I went to get something, I just managed to save myself as a lady caught me from behind.

I said, "Excuse me, what do you think your are doing?" He replied, "I want clothes." I said, "So do I. Where are you from?" He said, "Afghanistan".

I said, "Well, in this country, people do NOT push little old ladies about." He bent down and said to me, "when we take over and we will. I will remember your face. I will have you buried up to your neck and stoned to death. Now get out my way." And he just started grabbing everything, people just got out his way, he was like a man possessed.

On another day, walking in our town centre going up to the cathedral, I came across some Middle Eastern men formed a chain across the pavement. I had to walk into the oncoming traffic, and as I did, they spat at my feet.

On another occasion, going to a government office, I had to walk through this chopping centre plaza, a district that has been taken over by Muslims and Africans. As I was walking, they started jutting their chins up at me and yelling in their language. The security man walked me back to the shops on the other side. As I got in my car I notices a black man about nearly 7-feet tall, a giant, his eyes were bulging. He had a big leather belt and was slapping it in his palm. I locked my doors and stared the engine. He was coming for me. I just went. Had I knocked him over, I would have kept going.

At my library, there were tons of blacks people. Some Muslims came to the hall next door, I was sitting, ordering a book from the library girl. A young black kid came in and punched the back of my chair so hard that it nearly knocked my chair over. He laughed and walked away.

The girl said, "Hey  you!" I said, "NO, don't. If you do, he will wait for me when I get out."

My life in my beloved country is over, they have won, Australia as we knew no longer exists! How I weep, my paradise gone.

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written by Jye , October 23, 2012
Australia has a Muslim population of 1.5% of the population. I would hardly say "they have won and Australia is lost". Also, if you recall the Cronulla riots in Sydney, I hardly imagine the Aussies to just up and lose their country to savage, third world neanderthals without any resistance.
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Jye
written by Kaser , October 24, 2012
I concur with you Jye. The story from that "little old lady" could be repeated by many others, in many countries, without having Islam, race or ethnic background as the culprit.
FYI, in my home town, a few months ago, a couple of young thugs severely beat an 80-year-old woman they were trying to grab the purse from. This was not religion-induced, it was simple petty thievery by cowards attacking a vulnerable person.

BUT - Are some Muslims caught in the thought pattern that they are better than non-Muslims -> a direct consequence of their "supremacist" ideology? For sure!!!

We know as much - Islam generates this supremacist thinking - but mainly in the "bottom-feeder" low-education strata of it's followers... And some will act on this belief.
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Spread of Islam
written by Gnostic , October 24, 2012
Islamic minorities are growing fast everywhere until they begin to dominate. There is one islamic principle that seems to be very successful and I am talking about islamic communication and interaction.

While very many muslim are uneducated or even illiterate, islamic methods of commuication and interaction are very effective in terms of brain washing and mobilization.

Muslims meet up to five times per day for prayer and once at friday prayer and spread all the islamistic nonsense. Against the west, against the jews, against women, equality and freedom. Always blame the others but never oneself and hate, hate, hate, hate!

Since most muslims do not have the ability to understand the truth, most believe in what their teachers tell them and do what they are expected to do.

This is what I call a intellectual desease spreading everywhere in the world and now it also began in Australia!
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Mr khan
written by abc , October 24, 2012
You have to do better than this drivel by the old granny.
Even jye "a good Muslim is a dead Muslim" doesn't give a castlemaine xxxx.
Why don't you and dan throw a few prawns on the barbie and cool off with a fosters, I'm sure the heat has gone to your head!!!!
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Granny
written by abc , October 24, 2012
Ps note to grandma. Now you know how the natives felt when your white arse landed there! What did you do to them???? Sad old hypocrite!
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My Paradise Lost, Thanks to Muslims: Australian Granny
written by kope , October 24, 2012
granny

australia never was your so you lost nothing, now you can go to hell
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Pray
written by Guy Macher , October 24, 2012
we must pray that Muslims turn from evil to Jesus.
http://1159pmgmt.blogspot.ca/2012/10/outreach-to-muslims.html
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To Kaser
written by Archpagan , October 24, 2012
You said: BUT - Are some Muslims caught in the thought pattern that they are better than non-Muslims -> a direct consequence of their "supremacist" ideology? For sure!!!

You have hit the bull's eye. Pakistani dictator Field Marshal Ayub Khan inculcated the idea into his army men that a Pakistani Muslim soldier was 10-times as good as a kafir Hindu soldier of India. The result was disastrous. Pakistan was comprehensibly defeated by India in 1965 and 1971 battles.


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@Jye
written by M A Khan, editor , October 24, 2012
I agree with you. Her saying that 'they have won' is not accurate at least at the national level.

We know that many whites from Muslims dominated areas, such as from Lakemba, had to move out. She could be one of such affected ones, a small fraction of the Aussie population. She might have lost at personal level, but at national level, Australia hasn't.
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Guy
written by abc , October 24, 2012
Pray
written by Guy Macher , October 24, 2012
we must pray that Muslims turn from evil to Jesus.

Yes great idea. Let's break out the tambourines and sing Kum ba ya!
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Archpagan
written by abc , October 24, 2012
India learned her lesson in 62, I'm sure the Pakistanis have learned theirs!
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M A Khan
written by Jye , October 24, 2012
Unfortunately, every western country in the world has Muslim no go zones within their borders. Where as there might be little Chinas, Italys, Spains etc the Muslim areas are the only cultural zones that are dangerous to non Muslims.
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Jye
written by abc , October 24, 2012
Thats a load of bs!
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Jye
written by abc , October 24, 2012
Absolute bs! That's complete and utter bias coming from you!
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abc
written by Jye , October 24, 2012
Name me one place on earth that is over 95% Muslim that ISN'T hostile to non Muslims, abc? The only one biased - not to mention deluded beyond capacity - is you.
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consequences
written by wyx wyzinski , October 24, 2012
the comments from various haters who support the muslim invasion of the west illustrate the nature of the problem. liberals love to hate their targets, and will ally themselves with any evil, no matter how toxic, as long as it furthers their immediate goals. if allying with evil will bring western society crashing down into the dark night of islamic slavery and genocide, that is ok with liberals-- until it is their turn to mount the scaffold. liberals arent known for examining the consequences of their actions. in the matter of the importation of toxic muslims, the consequences are dire, permanent, and impossible for liberals to foresee.
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islam
written by Adrian , October 24, 2012
Australia needs to be very careful who it allows to immigrate to our country. Islam and its adherents follow totally different values than our democracy and as their population grows this will become more noticeable. The question should be asked if followers of islam have a track record in other western countries of not assimilating, over represented in prison and the use of social services then why allow them to immigrate to this country. After all there are plenty of people from other countries, who would love to become an Australian citizen and have a record of assimilating successfully. Islamic Multiculturalism has failed in Europe we should not follow that path.
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Jye
written by abc , October 24, 2012
You twist and move the goalposts again.
You were talking about "Muslim areas" being hostile to non Muslims in a non Muslim country.
Try brick lane in London, alum rock in Birmingham, try wilmslow road in manchester, try the curry mile in Bradford. All Muslim areas where non Muslims come to eat and spend their money.

Ya lying toad!
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Jye
written by abc , October 24, 2012
You probably feel threatened because the the bigot per square meter ratio reduces.
They see you for what you are!!!
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abc
written by Jye , October 24, 2012
London - the poppy burners; the groomers of young English girls; of sharia law courts that are proven to discriminate against woman? London, the home of the Sharia controlled zones? You are so deluded it's damn right scary, ac. Keep living in la la land, but the fact is where ever Muslims dominate, human rights and women's rights go down the sewer.
As for me, Muslims see me as a person from an enlightened and free culture. One they are envious of, but can't obtain whilst they live under the archaic system of Islam. Yes, they see me for what I am.
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written by Jye , October 24, 2012
Toad? lol. Nice. I enjoy how you always slip in your little insults.
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Bemused
written by Bemused , October 24, 2012
But, you idiot Australians and UK-ers keep voting for the Liberals that give you more muslim immigration! I'll bet Granny voted for the libs! No sympahty as long as that goes on.
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written by MRobs , October 24, 2012
Sounds to me like you Aussie wusses like importing third world savages to destroy your country - Granny is right - just wait and see - look at UK and France - turned into third world cesspools by muslim savages. Enjoy people!
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Jye
written by abc , October 24, 2012
Poppy burners?? You mean al mohajiroon who are now banned in the uk! 1st red herring. Sharia law counts are just like Beth din courts and obey the law of the land. 2nd red herring
Grooming is an ugly crime and is not religion specific. 3rd red herring.
Shariah controlled zones, just because almuhajiroon put a few stickers up.
Childish pranks. Do you have anything real or just the rubbish you read from hate sites. Infact sitting in downtown India and surfing the net and being there are two depressed things completely.

You keep deluding yourself and living in fear. That's all you can do!
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abc
written by Jye , October 24, 2012
There are hundreds more incidents, all with the common denominator of Islam and Muslims behind it - ALL OVER THE WORLD. NO WHERE do you see it happening from other communities within western countries to the degree with which it occurs from Muslims. So keep your excuses, and your denials, but I'll stick to brutal reality - which more and more people are waking up to.
I have no idea whether you are a liar, or just ignorant and delusional, abc, but no one is falling for it.
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abc
written by Jye , October 24, 2012
So it's all just a COINCIDENCE that all these incidents are happening from MUSLIMS, is it, abc? Who are you kidding?
My first post was snatched by admin which elaborates on your lies/delusions. If it doesn't pop back up I might rewrite it later.
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abc
written by Jye , October 24, 2012
Question, abc. Why do you so called "moderates" never protest against the atrocities of these Muslims that are claiming to speak for all Muslims and Islam? And please don't talk about some ridiculous little gathering of 5 people that took place. Where are your huge protests against radical Muslims, and their crimes? I guess it's more important to protest when your wittle feelings get hurt, than against filthy atrocities committed by your brethren, huh?
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abc
written by Kaser , October 24, 2012
Planetary-wide, No-go zones for NON-Mulsims, FAR outnumber No-go zones for Muslims.

Look at how Saudi Arabia treats non-Muslims... Bible class in Riyadh anyone??? I guess not.
Look at how Boko Haram treats non-Muslims in Nigeria... ongoing massacres...
Look at how Ansar Dine treats non-Muslims in Mali... How about Darfur...

BUT The WHOLE world is a GO-zone for Muslims, but not the other way around... Why is that? Simple...

Freedoms and Liberties are prevalent in Western Countries. Western countries, based on Judeo-Christian values, opened their arms to foreigners without imposing anything.
BUT Oppression, intolerance and subjugation are prevalent in Islamic Countries... They open their arms only if you submit to Islam/Sharia law.

When both ideologies mix in the West, Islam's violence kicks-in and is directed by Muslims to non-Muslims. Muslims cry out and DEMAND special treatment to the Western governments.
Conversely, When both ideologies mix in Islamic lands, Islam's intolerance is government-sanctioned and is again directed at non-Muslims. Non-Muslims have NO CHANCE of turing to the government for assistance.

abc, you are a smart fellow - I'm flabbergasted that you find ways of defending this undefendable ideology that Islamism is.
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written by MRobs , October 24, 2012
JYE - Grooming is most definitely a musloid specific crime in the UK. Read the news much? Get your head out of your a$$!
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MRobs
written by Jye , October 24, 2012
Hey, I agree with you. I think you mean abc.
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Jye
written by abc , October 24, 2012
The whole world came to London this summer!
The whole worlds media was here in the Uk this summer!
No go areas??? Sharia zone?? Where were they?
Everybody was free to travel where they wanted. This was not London specific but the entire uk.
Surely you must have found something!??
No! Thought not.
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kaser
written by fineliving56 , October 25, 2012
Abc cannot help it .

Rationalizing is a thing we all do, to feel better about, who we are, and what we believe in … the stronger the hold of the belief is, the stronger rationalizing, gets …

It really fearful to step out and let logic and sanity run your life and put everything we do and believe in under scrutiny … it is too cold for comfort.

I imagine it feels like you walking around with no skin, exposed and venerable

Muslims are prepared to kill themselves in defense of Islam, so what is, written defense, in comparison ..

Some of my Muslims relatives who are diabetic and their doctors warned them, fasting in ramadan is a suicide waiting to happen, but still they refuse to eat or drink, all IN FEAR BUT MISTAKEN FOR ADORATION ..All that , and Quran does not even ask for the sick to fast in case of illness

It is easer to submit to ambiguous and unseen Allah by putting all brain cells in a freezer, then to actually think, examine and analyze everything around us including our religions. … that is more difficult and it takes courage .

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Fineliving56
written by Kaser , October 25, 2012
I understand fully what you say. It's always more comfortable for us impressionable humans to live in the "Dreamworld" formulated for us by ALL Religions...
Living in the real world, where death means true death, where there is no afterlife is very very scary. Reasons why so many religions exist to try and explain all this.
But, I am able to face this cold reality. I am able to realize that life is NOW. Not in an afterlife promised by religion.

You know Fineliving, if believers minded their own business, Religion would be an oddity at best for us atheists earthlings.
But to see the intolerance, suffering, wars, contempt and all other atrocities committed in it's name is unacceptable.
The "my imaginary friend is better than yours" eternal battle...
Religious fanatics cannot help to feel secured in their faith if they convince non-believers that they are the ones with the truth.

abc is smart, I wonder why he sticks to defending Islam so much...
Malem I can understand - he gains with Islam - two wives and no questions about his status as the "Dominant Alpha Male" of the household...
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allah proofed wrong again
written by 1proudkaffur4life , October 25, 2012
Felix Baumgartner is the last human in a LONG list to proof demented stoned-gawd allah and his prefeet MuaHMAD wrong. The lice-ridden
profeet could never have visited the 7 heaven in one night and return. There are many reasons why this is so, the most important is that without protective gear, the profeet could not even rise above 10 kilometers! Even at the hight of the highest mountain Mt. Everest (with its peak at about 8 Kilometers) any untrained human could not survive the lack of oxygen could cause serious problems to the "desert-dweller". And then higher still the temperatures drop to very deep degrees. It seems a large number of Muslims are proud of the fact that they hold on to a foolish religion only by blind faith.
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kaser
written by fineliving56 , October 25, 2012
I agree whole heartily …

You mentioned death means true death …yes it is finale …. cruel but really finale ,

I struggled with death issue for long time after my brother sudden death … I was still a Muslima at that time and kept seeing him in dreams and thought that I am going to see him in the after life and lingered sadly in these thoughts for years … and I actually wanted to go to see him and forgo with this life .

After I realized it was nothing but a hoax and a scam to keep us in line and IN Islam and ** after I knew, they used our emotions towered our loved ones, AGAINST US ** it made me mad, to no end .

[ among other things,a post by the admin M. Khan to me,helped me finally reach a conclusion about death, when I talked about my brother's death in here ]

Muhammad and his gang may have copied the notion of after life, other religions brought intentionally, but all Muslims that who fallowed blindly and still believe in it , were victims .

Hope in a lie, is NO hope … it is nothing but cruel joke on us

The only time, I put my brother at rest in my mind, is the time when I thought I am not going to see him ever again … I gave up on the anticipation to see a ghost of my brother, and turned to other aspect in my life , the people who are with me here … try to make the best out of what I still have NOW .

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australians
written by wyx wyzinski , October 25, 2012
a friend from high school and college was an admitted australophile. he very much wanted to immigrate to australia. he became a successful electrical engineer, but he could not immigrate to australia. they just were not taking immigrants. so now australia has selected the most poisonous monsters ever to exist as their preferred new population. muslims have been selected to replace a suicidal non-islamic population. where does it make sense to reject good prospects, and welcome sworn enemies who are guaranteed to genocide you as soon as they reach critical mass? are you crazy?
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Fineliving56 and abc
written by Kaser , October 25, 2012
Fineliving, I'm sure you've read this on many other site, but I though the Islam-Watch crowd could have a little fun reading "Answers" to Mulsim Questions.

You'll especially like this one: http://www.islamqa.info/en/ref/20677
Ubelievable that ANY woman would voluntarily adopt this ideology... Or would defend it...

abc, I sure learned a lot more about your beautiful Islam on that very "authoritative" website...
Enjoy !
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abc
written by Jye , October 25, 2012
Very nice avoidance of my question, abc.
The Olympics? Where the UK dhimmi media refused to hold a minute silence for the 40 year anniversary of the Israeli athletes? They were going to highlight their failed multicultural policies? That's funny.
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Kaser
written by fineliving56 , October 25, 2012
Yaa I know … tell me about it !!!! .. I wish I could be able to have fun reading this unfairness to women … but I cannot … I think it will still infuriate me to the last hour of my life …

that is for sure .

That imam, can take his Quran …..and his hadeeth/sirah books …..and his Allah …..and his precious madhman …. and his lice infested bushy beard …..and his smelly robes ….and sick twisted mentality …. and everything Islamic….. and his misguided opinion of women AND SHOVE THEM SOMEWHERE … .

I absolutely abhor and have no trust in any imam … every Muslims who call him self an Imam is not humen to me …

I know generalizing like this is not fair, but I do not care … they are nothing but crooks who use Quran as crutch to serve interests … I have seen and heard things imams do back home enough to make you sick … I hate them more then I hate Muhammad him self .

here is one Imam for you to marvel at …

As a teenager I knew a fellow student who's father was an imam , she hated him because he covered with Kiimar against her will … she came everyday and told us about her life at home how it was unbearable because of her father's ruthlessness and uncompromising ruling.

One day, She had enough and spoke back to him to deflect his mistreatment of his family … apparently, that imam made sure, she does that for the last time … … the next day , she did not come to school … we did not have to wait too long to find out … the news of her ending up in the hospital because of broken jaw and torn cheeks from yanking them apart, it came fast enough . I do not remember if he ever went to jail .or not but that stuck with sense then … she never came back to school that year .

no help was forthcoming from you know who … her prayer was down the drain.
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Uhm
written by Mohammed , October 25, 2012
Filthy language get deleted on this site.
This comment was deleted for this reason
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Jye
written by abc , October 25, 2012
"The Olympics? Where the UK dhimmi media refused to hold a minute silence for the 40 year anniversary of the Israeli athletes? They were going to highlight their failed multicultural policies? That's funny"

Do you have any idea how dumb you sound? Dhimmi media??? Please elaborate!
Stupid writes as stupid reads. You need to take a break from Eric Allen bell, pan geller and spencer. It's those clowns that use these non sensical terms!
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Kaser
written by abc , October 25, 2012
I must admit I have never come across that site before or heard of the person giving the answers. He starts off well and the goes into free fall.

Sooner or laters the sisters will shake the shackles of culture and realise their rights. It's going to be a sad day for the mad mullahs!
Who said:"If a daughter is born to a person and he brings her up, gives her a good education and trains her in the arts of life, I shall myself stand between him and hell"

Look up aisha(ra) daughter of abu bakr( ra) she was muhaddith, scholar and a jurist!
Look up Fatima al fihri- she started the worlds oldest university.
There are 1000s of examples!
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Kaser
written by abc , October 25, 2012
Fineliving of all people know about women in education.
She knows he many mosques and education places were set up on Syria by women - waqf. Instead she tells us of a horrific story.
Well I can counter that. All 3 off sisters are educated to masters and beyond and it was because my parents felt that they should be strong minded and not have to rely on anyone to get on in life! The Islamic way!!
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Dearbornistan
written by mjazz , October 25, 2012
In Dearborn Michigan the police stopped a guy for 30 minutes because he had Israeli flags on his truck, he was Jewish. The kids from the nearby school threw soda on his windshield.
2/3 of the people we import via the refugee resettlement businesses are muhammadans, and these agencies are paid for with our tax dollars. See Refugee Resettlement Watch
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Refugee Resettlement Watch
written by mjazz , October 25, 2012
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Mjazz
written by abc , October 25, 2012
Thats just awful. How could those kids throw soda! Now I know what the death penalty is for! Thanks for that!

Wait a minute, what about getting stopped because of the colour of your skin and then taking a few billy club hits and spending the night in jail!
You gotta love AmeriKKKa!
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written by vbv , October 25, 2012
I think they are exagerating a sob story of an imaginery old white woman. Australians , after all, are racist,white supremacists who do not mind brutally attacking and even murdering indians , while they shit in their pants at the mere thought of muslims. They have made the original inhabitants some kind of of an outcast , totally marginalised while they usurp their country. Even australian cricketers are very racist when they let fly their racist invectives at others, especially indians , in the name of "sledging". No sympathies, therefore, for that bullshit aussie old white hag!
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abc
written by xyz , October 25, 2012

I think abc is imam at a local mosque in Yorkshire. He is obligated to defend Islam out of his profession otherwise a sane and smart person like abc talking about 7th century tales in this 21st century of human/ world advancement is unbelievable.
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written by Jye , October 25, 2012
You don't know what a dhimmi is? Dhimmi - nil. Sunnah - nil. You're a very informed muslim, abc. Yeah, bravo.
And likewise, you need to take a break from Loons R Us :)
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Fineliving56
written by Kaser , October 25, 2012
Like I said, nothing new for you on that islamqa.info website.
And I want to make sure you understand that I meant no humor in the information there. The humor is the level of ridicule these retarded idiots dish out day after day.
One only need to look at translation of Arabic/Islamic videos through MEMRI on youtube. Unbelievable the hatred spewed out.

And the story you mentioned about your friend is horrific on two fronts...
The first front is the violence dished out to a young girl questioning what she sees around her. Children SHOULD question everything...
The second front is that the violence is directed to her is by her father... Again, violence. Because there can be no logical discussion...

I am the father of three children, one of them being a teenage girl. The thought of hurting her is completely alien to me. My role is to educate her, give her morals, protect her and make sure she can grow up to be a respectful, open-minded, educated woman.

The women beaters are low-life scumbags whatever the reason for their violence. To think that some Muslims perform these atrocities in the name of their god...
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abc
written by Kaser , October 25, 2012
Thank you abc, this is a point we totally agree on: The women of Islam will be its downfall. No Ideology can sustain itself very long when half of it's adherents open their eyes to other ways of living.

This is what the Internet and globalization will do. Islamic women landing in Western countries will see this free way of life us Westerners gave ourselves.
These women will start to question more and more. They will report what they see to friends and family... and so on.
Don't you think the majority of women in beautiful SaudiLand are pissed at not being allowed to drive? To walk along where they please?
They will become Fineliving56's. The Imams, Mullahs and other Islamic "scholars" will more and more have a hard time preaching their 1400 year-old ideology over the next few generations of young people.

Notice the absolute complete absence of women at Mulim riots. Oh, there's a few here and there... But the angry mobs are always frustrated, uneducated, intolerant males that enjoy disrupting law and order. They don't care because they probably have no job to go back to.
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Kaser
written by abc , October 25, 2012
Unfortunately for you I don't see it like that on the ground floor.
I see more and more Muslim women going to uni, more and more becoming professionals. The reason is that they want to be independent. But there are more and more willingly becoming practicing.
I don't see them abandoning the faith but enhancing it!
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abc
written by Kaser , October 25, 2012
Interesting viewpoint abc.
If you ask these educated, professional women what they think of the way women are generally depicted in the Quran, what do they say?
Of if you ask them what they think of "pure" implementations of Sharia, what do they tell you?
Do they agree with the dictates of the bearded fanatics, or do they forge their own modern Islam? Do they have contemps for Jews and Christians or do they place them as their equals?

If they enhance the faith, and they dtray away from the *bad* portions of Islam, than they would generate anger from those that believe Islam is perfect as it is and interpret it in a fundamental Salafi/Wahabi fashion no? I would bet that they do not fit the bill of "pure Muslims"

Would you not consider this steps towards making Islam second place in their lives? Or third place... Fourth place...?
This is how faith is abandoned... Slowly and gradually... Generation after generation.
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Indeed "The women of Islam will be its downfall"
written by Infidel and More Proud , October 25, 2012
The down fall has started as pointed out by Aki that more and more women are considering themselves to men, becoming professionals and taking education while becoming independent.
This goes against the Allah’s teaching so these women are going against Islam.
How can they ever have the audacity to be equal to men?
Allah will send them to hell; he sends most already but whatever little numbers those go to heaven will also be sent to hell. How dare women think themselves to be equal to men?
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Infidel
written by Kaser , October 25, 2012
As I pointed out, these educated, professional women are going to shred to pieces the "fundamental" aspects of Islam - everybody knows what they are.
When these women do that, the next inevitable step, is to put Islam in second place to their carrers, lives, children, friends, ect...
Their husbands will not have control over them anymore...
Islam DOES not like to be put in second place, nor does it like strong women.
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@ Fineliving56 - We *all* rationalize?
written by This is Rami Rustom , October 25, 2012
> Rationalizing is a thing we all do, to feel better about, who we are, and what we believe in … the stronger the hold of the belief is, the stronger rationalizing, gets …

No. We *all* don't do that. Some of us have evolved beyond that. But yes, *most* people do rationalize. They do it in order to protect their self-image. Doing so helps them feel better. Its an irrational way of determining whether an idea is true or false.

The people that have evolved beyond rationalizing have rid themselves of the meme that causes a person to feel bad when he thinks his self-image has been attacked. So how does one get rid of this meme? In other words, having this meme is a problem, so what is the solution?

The reality is that *having* a self-image is bad. Having a self-image means that a person holds a certain set of ideas as his. Ideas that he doesn't want to change, because they *define* him. This is bad because its possible that any one of those cherished ideas could be wrong. So if you resist change of any one of your ideas, then you stay mistaken about the mistaken ones. This is problematic. So what is the solution?

*All* of my ideas are on the table. That includes all my preferences, all my interests, all my beliefs, and so on. Any of them could be wrong. So if someone tells me (or I have) a criticism of any one of my ideas, I will consider that criticism (where most people would rationalize it away as untrue with the goal of protecting their self-image).

Another problem that causes people to feel bad when they think their self-image is attacked, is the meme that causes people to feel shame when their mistakes are exposed. The implication is that mistakes are bad. But they aren't. Being fallible means making mistakes. It means not being perfect. So if we take that idea to its logical conclusion, then *all* humans should be ashamed. Of course this is ridiculous. The reality is that mistakes are common. They are so common that most mistakes go unnoticed by the person making them. So, if someone exposes a mistake of mine (one that went unnoticed by me), that gives me the opportunity to correct that type of mistake going forward. So that makes me a better person. I've improved myself. I've become a better person, a better father, a better worker. So, the act of exposing my mistake led to my becoming a better person. So exposing one's mistakes is good!

So why would exposing mistakes be considered shameful? Why do people think this way? Its because they learned it from their parents and society. Parents punish their children for making mistakes (like hitting/scolding/frowning/timeouts). Teachers punish their students for making mistakes (like taking points of tests). And employers punish their employees for making mistakes (write-ups and scoldings). And society frowns on people who get punished. So this *mistakes are shameful* meme is prevalent among maybe 99.999% of the human population.
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Xyz
written by abc , October 25, 2012
"written by xyz , October 25, 2012
I think abc is imam at a local mosque in Yorkshire. He is obligated to defend Islam out of his profession otherwise a sane and smart person like abc talking about 7th century tales in this 21st century of human/ world advancement is unbelievable"

One day IA.
You of all people shouldn't be questioning anybody's sanity.
If I had a time machine and dropped you in ancient china tsung dynasty you would say that these are the most advanced people ever and hence they are better than everybody else.
If I dropped you in Karakoram you would say they were the most advanced hence best. Same with ancient Baghdad, cordoba etc.
It just so happens you see stuff in UAE and hence Caucasians are the best.
Who will be better in 100 years from now???
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MRS
written by Sealeo , October 26, 2012
Muslim will take over and we are not able to do anything about is since our government don´t want to be called rasists and therefor don´t dare to say anything against them. It is sad but true and that is why they are doing whatever they want, cos they know it aswell.
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MRS
written by Kaser , October 26, 2012
Wow, what a yellow-belly you are. Please, sit by and let yourself be trampled over...
Good thing others, like me, work actively to change this. Mulsims will NOT take over, because many many people do not want it so.
Our governments are indeed cowards. They can rarely be counted on to take the right decisions.
Go buy yourself a spine and DO SOMETHING about it if you don't like what you see.
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Typo...
written by Kaser , October 26, 2012
My previous post was directed at Sealeo, not MRS... sorry.
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written by xyz , October 26, 2012
"It just so happens you see stuff in UAE and hence Caucasians are the best.
Who will be better in 100 years from now???"

Dear abc, this stuff is not only in UAE, this is in every nook and corner of the world be it developed or developing and yes this stuff is made by whites. I don't care about past and I don't know the future. in my life time whites are the super humans, most intelligent, beautiful, smart and creative.

This is what it matters for me in my lifetime.
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abc
written by xyz , October 26, 2012

I am sure Chinese or Baghdad or cordoba etc were not advanced as the today's world, so I don't need to look back. BUT in case, in future if colored or blacks will be more advanced than whites, my message for my children will be to follow colored or blacks, unlike Muslims who are got stuck in the 7th century.
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Infect these animals with AIDS
written by The only solution , October 26, 2012
Infect the blacks and muzzies, women,children and men with aids. Let them suffer a slow death.
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Moh(PissBeWithHim)
written by Harun sinha , October 26, 2012
Muslims are intolerant, ungrateful and violent because these are what is taught in Islam. The Koran is full of hate speech and violence towards non Muslims, its a fact. The rapist pedophile murderer founder of this satanic cult was psychotic, insane and blood thirsty. Allah is satan because God is good not evil, goodness comes only from God and Islam is very evil. It is against our Western democratic values it stands oppose to everything we stand for. There is no equality in Islam. All non Muslims are considered inferior, this is in the Koran. To all Mohammedans , why do you come here and want to change our culture and our values? Why don't you go back and stay put in your own pigsty and stop Islamising the world? We are not stupid, we know what your game is. Go back and tell the rest of your ilk to stay back, stop polluting our country with your evil satanic cult! We can do without your disgusting and vile habits!
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Indian Mujahiddin terrorist arrested
written by Rationalist , October 26, 2012
http://www.rediff.com/news/rep...121026.htm

Note: Musalman jis thali mein khate hain usi me thook the hain = Muslims spit on the same plate from which they take food in all Kaffir countries.
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invisible women
written by anders , October 26, 2012
I was in the UK a few months ago. I saw invisiible woment-aka used chattels walking behind their visible male Muslim controllers, but then that's standard. As Mohammad taught in the hadith women are seen as deficient in both intelligence and religion, so what's new in the Islamic bubble?
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Veronique
written by Bonniemay , October 26, 2012
Until Muslims realise that women are equal to men, that inbreeding causes genetic problems, that marrying little girls is detrimental to their physical and emotional health, and stop behaving like savages, there will be no peace in Islam. How can anyone worship a violent man who thought the sun set in a muddy pond and who changed the rules as he went along. Islam is not credible, but just an excuse for them to satisfy their blood-lust
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Bonniemay
written by Kaser , October 26, 2012
Right on.
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To kope
written by Archpagan , October 26, 2012
Hi kope, where are you my boy? Just now a suicide bomber has killed 41 Muslims in Afghanistan. I want you do some wailing before us as your stock appears to be shrinking very fast.
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Archpagan
written by Kaser , October 26, 2012
He's busy chanting "Islam is the fastest growing religion" ...
... And believing it.
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@Archpagan
written by Rationalist , October 27, 2012
Can you post the link?
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Rationalist
written by Kaser , October 27, 2012
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oink oink
written by apollyon , October 27, 2012
No worries mate!

Just start burying dead pigs all over Mustralia, like Lakemba, Bankstown, and Auburn (where, sadly, I was raised and would now be an unwelcome kaffir at great physical risk), especially on present and planned Mosques.

The ultimate insult is to bury a dead pig on Muslim "holy" ground (whatever happened to Australian Sovereignty - politically correct bureaucratic treason is an issue for another day).

Stand up and fight these psychopathic retards if only to defend the future for your descendants - you owe it to them and all the Ozzies who fought for a democratic and peaceful future for all Australians, whether black blue or brindle, Xtians, Muslims, or Calathumpians. And resist the spiky-haired overall-wearing social engineers who would have us forcibly ruled by their PC Marxist intellectual system of thought control.

Oh, don't forget, make dure the dead pigs are halal; we wouldn't want to offend anyone now, would we?

Apollyon, The Avenging Angel
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Mr
written by geodave , October 27, 2012
Jye is a Muslim practising taqqiya
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To abc
written by Archpagan , October 27, 2012
'I don't see them abandoning the faith but enhancing it! '

You are following the ostrich principle, man. Everywhere it is seen that modern education is making the people rational in outlook and free from religious dogma. As Islam or its culture is devoid of any profound life-philosophy or spirituality, it is the most vulnerable of all. Muslim religious leaders can create terrorists only, no honest man who can attract people as a role model. The reason for Islamic fundamentalism is its vulnerability and its past history of forcible conversion. When an educated Muslim comes to know that his ancestors were forced into Islam, his conscience would make him a rebel/apostate.
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ostrich exposed
written by apollyon the avenging angel , October 27, 2012
. . . And you know which part of an ostrich is so obviously exposed when its head is buried in the sand, don't you?
Smile and enjoy the penetration, while the muslim "invader" pretends you're a pig!
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geodave
written by Jye , October 27, 2012
I'm a Muslim? I'm actually a Christian, but thanks for the insult. I wouldn't follow the pervert pedophile Mo Mo if my life depended on it.
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abc
written by Jye , October 27, 2012
Even jye "a good Muslim is a dead Muslim" doesn't give a castlemaine xxxx.

Don't be presumptuous, abc. I'm a Christian. I don't hate Muslims, only the evil ideology they follow. I would like to see the Muslims of the world freed from the shackles of Islam and live in the light.
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Muslim Supermacy
written by Montegue , October 27, 2012
Australia has strict immigration policy than that of Europe and America. The immigration policy requires that the applicants be sponsored by his employers, and that they must be skilled labors or proven to be successful investors in his industry. These Muslims, described in the article, are not qualified immigrants, but political asylums or illegal alliance. In either case, they are Muslims escaped the assassination other Muslims, who marked them as infidels, in the counties. Australia, having signed a UN charter, is pressured by Human Rights Organization to accept them. One might think that these people would be grateful; unfortunately, that is not the case. They are insolent toward their host country and people because it all stems from Islamic teaching. The country is viewed as The House of War; it is to be brought to subjection.

Fortunately, Australia is fiscally sound, more sound than the USA. With it being the case, these Muslims can subsist on welfare and become lethargic in aspiring to become influential, unless they decided to seek employment and favor by softening their stance. They may choose to segregate from the society and remain isolate from upward social and class mobility, or assimilate.

I believe that Australia need not fear for these people, for as long as she does not grant them citizenship by birth or give the citizenship indiscriminately.

Had Australia been financially in crisis as Greece, it would not have given them welfare, in which case, the Human Rights Organization must pay to feed them beans, house them in cages, and required to learn and understand the language, custom, and tradition of the host country. In Greece, such people, could either be house in cages and eat beans, or let loose, hoping for something more delicious to eat by begging to wash cars or sell the rectums to homosexual men, in which case is classified as influential.

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Montageek
written by abc , October 27, 2012
"sell the rectums to homosexual men, in which case is classified as influential"

Just like your father!
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abc
written by Jye , October 27, 2012
Just like your father!

LOL, abc, you sound like a ten year old doing a "yo mumma's so fat" joke.
Good one.
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Kaser
written by fineliving56 , October 28, 2012
About your post to me ..

I do understand and I know you did not see any humor in the inhumane acts Muslims do in the name of their Islam … if you sow anger in my post, That was, all directed, at the imams filthy turbaned heads with good reason as you have seen .

Aid al Adha … started yesterday … celebration between Muslims on its way … but the dead in the name of it's Islam did not stop like they like to lie and say they do …. even when they promised to stop the killings [ back home in Syria ] ….

They secrifice humens in the name of Islam, after all, it is Aid Al Adha … the celebration of scarifies .

The meaning of the word '' Aid Al Adha IS '' THE CELEBRATION OD SACRIFICE '' … it lasts 4 days and Hajj is perfumed during the holiday …

Another name of the holiday is '' Aid al kabeer '' .. the big holiday .

The Arabic word … AL ADHA …. MEANS '' THE SACRIFICE '' …. Muslims celebrate a religious holiday and they call '' the sacrifice'' … they kill sheep for this holiday to send it to Allah so Allah will think about whether He want to allows them into Janna or not .

Prehistoric nonsense
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Fineliving56
written by Kaser , October 28, 2012
You summed it up so well.
Prehistoric nonsense...

I guess that when an individual is part of a gang whose members close their eyes to the idiocy of these rituals, and the religion behind it all, I guess it is easy to blindly follow Islam.

I hope your work, mine and all the others trying to enlighten Muslims will bear fruit.

Keep up your presence here, I always enjoy reading your posts!
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Fairy Tale
written by Malem , October 29, 2012
This story is a just another spurious tale made up to try and present certain people as dangerous. Just look at the story and think about how an Australian senior would really speak to someone, its preposterous. You have to be pretty gullible to think for one second that this really happened. Now if we give any slight piece of credence to this bucket of BS, lets just think about it for a second. First it sounds like this poor older lady might have a problem with dark skinned folks, just look at what is written that she supposedly said. Also if you knew anything about Australia, it is extremely rare, if at all that the White population ever refers or uses the terms Black People. Maybe the real author of this story should have thought about that. In fact Australians are more apt to use racial slurs against Asians than anyone. How do I know? I lived there for a few years and had a shared practice in Sydney.

Maybe now she sees how the aboriginal people felt when her and the other Europeans came in with their Doctrine of Discovery to take their land. You might recall the old trick by saying since they were not Christians they couldn’t have right to the land, this was also done in the west to the Indians. These are facts as is the West and Europeans taking over control of the indigenous people and re-educating their young. So in the end of this garbage story, this little old lady might go home in her fake world and realize…she now knows a very little bit about how she treated the real natives of Australia.
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written by laikanuki , October 29, 2012
There are about 500,000 muslims in Australia now, about 2%+ proportion of the population. 150,000 have arrived since Labor came to power 5 years ago. Demographically, there are hardly any muslims in the 50+ age group, but in the breeding age group 15-40 there is a much higher proportion than the overall 2%+. As well, most of the illegals and legal muslims flooding the country are in this age bracket. Muslims are on record as having much higher birthrates than other ethnic groups, and particularly caucasian Australians. Caucasian Australians, who are mainly Christian or atheists, have such a low birthrate that without immigration and the high birthrate of such groups as the muslims, the population of Australia would be falling.

For those who think that the number of muslims in Australia does not pose a threat to the future of Australian culture, I suggest doing a little demographic exercise. Calculate, over a three generation period, a muslim female has 5 children between 20 and 35 years, with her children again breeding in their early twenties. Then calculate over the same period how many children the Caucasian Australian mother will have. Extrapolate this to the number of muslim women who would be breeding over this period as opposed to the number of Caucasian women, add in the huge number of muslim breeding women entering the country over this period, and prepare yourself for a high voltage shock.

Never be deceived by figures that suggest that muslims are only a small percentage of the population, it is the number of muslims in the 15-40 age bracket which is important. And that is the dilemma of some European countries which have a overall muslim population of around 10%, but in some major cities young muslims are about 50% of the population and way outbreeding the locals. These countries day of reckoning as to whether they preserve their own culture or have it completely subverted by a muslim culture is fast approaching. From this, Australia will be able to see its own future if current immigration birthrate patterns are maintained
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written by Jye , October 29, 2012
Malem, considering the amount of countries brutally conquered at the hands of Islam over the last 1400 years, you above statement is the most hypocritical piece of garbage I've ever read.
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Jye
written by Malem , October 29, 2012
Oh yes, all the countries Islam conquered, and of course you shall give a pass to all others because of your racist and islamophobic mindset. Im guessing lad you are not going to count the ongoing slaughter by the west in various countries. So my point remains, this fake little old lady story has no grounds, it was NOT er country it was the aboriginal peoples until they forced them out to areas that were not attractive to the Europeans. I think you can read so pick up a history book and read about the use of doctrine of discovery, its fantastic and much more brutal than anything that Islam had done in its growth.
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Malem
written by Kaser , October 29, 2012
Ongoing slaughter? Ongoing??? The West is "slaughtering"?
Slaughtering - that's the responsibility of Boko Haram, Ansar Dine, and countless other religious, fanatical violent groups.
Slaughtering - that's the responsibility of Shias versus Sunnis versus Shias...

Malem - you know FULL WELL that the construct "Little granny's" story above is lived by countless others, everywhere Muslims have enough numbers that they feel comfortable oppressing non-Muslims. You are quick to blame the West Malem, as usual.

Care to give us your insights into the Armenian Genocide?
Care to give us your insights on Nigeria? Sudan? Mali?
Had fun talking trash about the west during your Hajj "pilgrimage" Malem?
You're now in good standing with your "god" - re-energized?

Your "West-is-bad" dribble is tiresome, come up with something new old man, you're like a broken record.
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Malem
written by Jye , October 29, 2012
Hey, senile old man, don't pull that islamophobe BS on me. Mecca was NOT Islams, either was JERUSALEM, and every other city and country that has been turned into a cesspool courtesy of your "religion". You have no idea what the meaning of hypocrisy do you? Are you that ignorant?
Clean up your back yard before you attack other more enlightened countries. Start with what your savage followers are doing in Nigeria, Sudan and Thailand - for a start.
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Malem
written by Jye , October 29, 2012
I am aware that the Indigenous people of Australia are the Aborigines, old man. Australia as it was settled by Europeans, is little more than 200 years old. Islam is 1400 years old. Australians' more brutal than Islam? LMAO. Islam has murdered in the hundreds of millions, Australia only has a population of 20 million. Your're a joker.
Let us not forget that that Mecca didn't originally belong to Muslims, but was a peaceful trading city to Jews, Christians and Pagans before a certain violent ideology came in and claimed it as a "holy" city.
Yeah if "holy" is code for war.
Your hypocrisy knows no bounds, old man.
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Malem
written by abc , October 29, 2012
For well over two centuries, especially since the Industrial Revolution, European countries have subjugated Islamic nations. 41 of the 45 predominately Muslim nations in the world were former European colonies or subsumed as Soviet states, and these imperialists— England, France and others—moved in varying degrees to dispossess the people of their land, assets, self-determination and religion. Colonial status prevented or impaired the development of leadership and political infrastructure, and therefore most—37 by our imperfect calculation—have not transitioned from colonies to bona fide democracies. Most are effectively dictatorships, many with the complicity of the West, and most remain in economic disrepair. This imperialism was too often accompanied by murder, torture, rape, de facto enslavement and humiliation. When citizens of these colonies protested or rebelled, they were suppressed or crushed. In no small way, this legacy of humiliation remains.
At its most extreme, this colonial attitude was captured by Cecil Rhodes when he stated, “[W]e Britons are the first race of the world, and the more of the world we inhabit, the better it is for the human race.”
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written by Jye , October 29, 2012
Oh dear, the usual whiny cries of victim-hood. How surprising. Maybe it was karma for your so called "golden age" when the Ottoman Empire had occupied half of Europe. Either way since it's decades past in post colonialism how long are you going to hold onto that crutch as an excuse?
And you accuse others of copying and pasting, abc. Tsk tsk...
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kaser
written by malem , October 29, 2012
Who said the west is bad, pointed to a situation that exists lad. I realize your small brain has a hard time understaing points and counterpoints in a discussion, but I will try to use smaller words and shorter sentences for you mate.

Jye, the article is about austraila not armernia, nice try to shift the discussion. Fake story, fake premise, same old trickery
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old man
written by Jye , October 29, 2012
If you read my original post you'd see that I was skeptical of this story. There was no shift; I simply pointed out your hypocrisy?
Armenia is a very good point though. Good one.
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Jye
written by abc , October 29, 2012
"Let us not forget that that Mecca didn't originally belong to Muslims, but was a peaceful trading city to Jews, Christians and Pagans before a certain violent ideology came in and claimed it as a "holy" city"
Whiny cries like the above you mean?

Crutch and the past!! Next time you whine abut dead Hindus in India I will remind you of your words.

It seems your hypocrisy knows no bounds.
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abc
written by Kaser , October 29, 2012
Factual post abc, thank you.
Europeans learned well from the Muslim invasions that plagued them for Centuries.
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abc
written by Jye , October 29, 2012
No, I'm sorry, that's a fact. Mecca is an apartheid city and the most intolerant place on earth. Though Mecca is comparable to none, I would hardly compare it to the Ottoman Empire or British colonialism. Whom only the so called victims of the latter are still moaning about.
If you think I was whining, you have no perception.
You're stretching, abc.
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also
written by Jye , October 29, 2012
whining about Hindus? You're confused, abc. As I suspect when you quoted me as saying "a good Muslim is a dead Muslim" . Which we both know is more of your confusion - or, more realistically ,your flat out lies. And don't worry, I WILL remind you of those.
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Malem
written by Kaser , October 29, 2012
Thanks old man, you know, us kids have short attention spans... We have a hard time with long-winded never-ending dribble from frustrated, angry old farts.

Oh, by the way Malem, keep up the good work of avoiding discussions, it's always a one-way street with you - post rubbish, then accuse us of being idiots.
I guess an old Monkey has indeed trouble changing his ways - always easier to throw feces...

You never do explain why your Islamic brothers in Nigeria, Mali and Sudan (just to name them) are actively slaughtering innocent Christians?
And please list the slaughters being perpetrated by the West? So we know where you stand?
Are you Like our dear friend Anjem Choudary?
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Kaser
written by abc , October 29, 2012
Please! Well let's have a look. Let's take Iraq since your attention span is not that good. It's a nice and easy one.
He many children died at birth or because of malnutrition in the fist two years of life during the "oil for food" programme sanctions??
How many civilians have been killed in Iraq from desert storm one and two??
The legacy first stop there!
Iraq is now producing deformed babies in areas where large amounts of depleted uranium was used!
Let's put a figure on this first kaser and I promise I will carry on your education.
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abc
written by Jye , October 29, 2012
How many Iraqis did Saddam murder, or how many were Kurds were killed in the Al-Anfal Campaign? There was use of Chemical weapon against Kuwait, Iraqis as well as Iranians during the Iran/Iraq war which do not compare to your anti America moan fest, abc.
Saddam bio
http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/hussein.html
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Jye
written by abc , October 29, 2012
Saddam was our guy, our allie, our man in the east.
We supplied him with chemical weapons. There is probably an inventory in Washington or Whitehall somewhere. We also supplied the Iranians too, remember Oliver north. The illegal south American drug money had to be used by the CIA and hence we supplied Iran. Are we still the good guys??

Your whole tirade above relies on the implication saddam was a bad guy. Yes he was jye. But don't pretend like our shit don't stink either!
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@ Malem
written by This is Rami Rustom , October 29, 2012
> I realize your small brain has a hard time understaing points and counterpoints in a discussion,

Smaller brains don't make for lessor intelligence. Intelligence is a function of epistemic ideas.

And judging from his posts and your posts, Jye's epistemic ideas are much better than yours.

> but I will try to use smaller words and shorter sentences for you mate.

I think you should try not using personal attacks and instead just address the content of Jye's ideas.
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Jye
written by abc , October 29, 2012
All the while this game was being played, guess who was writing the cheques??
The innocent people of Iraq and Iran died.
So your defence of uncle Sam and his mean green killing machine amounts to nothing!
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abc
written by Jye , October 29, 2012
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and the victim-hood continues *yawn*
ALWAYS someone else's fault, isn't it, abc?

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and...
written by Jye , October 29, 2012
We own our faults, abc. The Muslim world WILL NEVER accept any ownership in anything. They are forever the endless victims.
And "our', abc? Don't make me laugh. You're allegiances are to your demonic prophet first and always.
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He he
written by abc , October 29, 2012
"abc
written by Jye , October 29, 2012
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and the victim-hood continues *yawn*
ALWAYS someone else's fault, isn't it, abc?"

What! That's it. That's your reply?
Times are changing and that's why you haters are running around like you are on fire.
The pieces are starting to fall into place.
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yes, abc,
written by Jye , October 29, 2012
We aided Afghanistan against Russia, and Iraq against Iran, and Kuwait against Iraq... the lesser of the two evils at the time. Not all for philanthropic purposes - admittedly, but lets face it, America is damned if they do and damned if they don't. But America is the "Big Satan" and the Muslim world the innocent victims. So hang on to that for the next millennium. After all all the continued moaning about the Crusades is getting rather old now.
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abc
written by Jye , October 29, 2012
Yes, the pieces are falling into place. The sure sign that your Liberal/pro-Islamist opponent is losing an argument: when they don't refute your statements, but pull out the word "islamophobe" and "hater'.
The good ole Joseph Geobbels tactic, eh?
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."


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abc
written by Jye , October 29, 2012
Thank you for not refuting that statement, abc, and pulling out the ole "hater" line. It's a testament that you have nothing else to contribute. I debate many Liberals and usually before they skulk away, I get branded with the usual "Islamophobe, bigot, hater". Blah blah blah.
Bravo, you're exactly the same, but I expect more from you. I have no idea why, though.
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abc
written by Kaser , October 29, 2012
Face it abc, the West controls the Middle East - that's what pisses Al Qaeda and company.
"Middle Easters" were fortunate to sit on massive oil reserves, and too stupid to be able to come up with any smart idea of what to do with it - or to leverage it intelligently. Probably too busy praying five times a day and "being better than everybody else"? Look at pathetic Saudi Arabia - for all intents and purposes, the first Islamic American State! The sold themselves easily enough right?

Iraq's prostitute "leader", like pretty much every other tin-plated dictator in the region, was more than happy to let the American Infidels run the show, in exchange for weapons and being "friends" with the almighty USA. You're now surprised at what happened when Saddam, probably out of boredom, desire for revenge and/or an over inflated sense of supremacy (remember Islam's teachings) decided to invade Kuwait? What did he expect? He knew full well the response of the Americans, wanting to secure energy reserves there. He was an arrogant fool that had no concern for his people nor his troops. Saudi Arabia, played nice little doggy and allowed the US to wage Desert Storm 1.

And abc, Iraq's invading armies were, of course, gentlemen invaders right? No pillaging, no raping Kuwaiti women, ect...

The fact is abc, Islam's children, for the last century (centuries in fact) were too busy in-fighting to even formulate a coherent social development plan to put them on the world stage. When there is a void of power like the Middle-East, where there is so much at stake energy-wise, the power void will be filled. It was filled by America, like it or not.

Look now: the Muslim Brotherhood is in power in Egypt. Big step forward!
Iran has Nuclear ambitions. Watch the brain drain there...
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abc
written by Jye , October 29, 2012
2 posts snatched, admin? One day I'll keep track of the certain words I'm using.
Hater, abc? No refute of my statement? I'd appreciate if you could quote (accurately this time) the lines that you deem to be hateful. Otherwise using that word would be seen as an empty ploy to attempt to denigrate someone from posting facts that you don't like.
It won't work on me though. I could care less what you call me, and I'm used to your little post insults.
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Jye
written by fineliving56 , October 29, 2012
yes America is always to blamed

if 2 Muslims neighbors in their tents, beat each others up in the desert of Arabia … they scream…'' America made me do it '' …. pathetic

I go in heated conversations with Arab Muslims when the subject of America comes up, it always cut off fast when I say :

'' you guys hate America that much, why there are people all around the world and especially Arab countries ,waiting in front all American consulate to get visa or to immigrate ? …

I guess you do not hated it that much …huh?
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Kaser
written by Malem , October 30, 2012
Sorry lad but that is the issue today, the west has NO control of the Middle East, the friendly dictators have all gone home. Whomever the people want to vote in, they shall do so at their own hands and not outsiders. That is the beauty of a burgeoning democracy. Now just think of the billions you have spent to end up with, well China and Russia getting all the oil contracts to start with.

Good to see Rami woke up from his nap and he found his thesaurus!

If you wanted to see beauty you should have seen Hajj this year, what a wonderful gathering of peace and love!
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Malem
written by xyz , October 30, 2012
"If you wanted to see beauty you should have seen Hajj this year, what a wonderful gathering of peace and love!"

This is a gathering of subjugation and slavery for a short interval due to good control of Arab masters. Once out of Saudi Sunni Shia and 72 sects will resume stabbing each other.
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Malem
written by Kaser , October 30, 2012
Hee hee.
Hajj - Paying your dues to the Saudi Mob lords... More money in the pockets of the American puppets!
But one question Malem, during your Hajj "love fest" did you encounter Boko Haram representatives? What about Ansar Dine?
Did you all bask in the great love for the non-Muslims in Nigeria, Mali and other Islamic havens?
What a joke you are.
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Multi-culture
written by Muktar Ahmed Mukul , October 30, 2012
The foolish West must pay for promoting the short sighted principle of 'multi-cultural society' which stated with the need for supply of cheap labourers from Muslim countries post 2nd WW-II
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Muktar
written by Kaser , October 30, 2012
Wow, first time I see anybody admit that Muslim immigration to the West as a punishment to the West !!!
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@ Malem
written by This is Rami Rustom , October 30, 2012
> Good to see Rami woke up from his nap and he found his thesaurus!

I purposefully use common words for clarity. And here you are saying that I use a thesaurus.

I've never seen such stupidity.
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Hajj
written by fineliving56 , October 30, 2012
is nothing but a pagan left over ... preislamic Pagans, they are the ones, who circled the Ka'ba FIRST for prayers...
Islam's Allah were too dumb to come up with a different way of prayers .

Hajj to Saudis is nothing but a money maker every year ... it became so commercialized,and common the Saudi citizen hardly make the Hajj

The Muslim Malam ... let the beauty of the lights blind him to the real truth of what Hajj really is ... the money that is spent on decorating the masques and everything around th e Ka'aba .. enough to feed every last hungry human on earth ... every year the cover for the Ka'aba changes to a new one, and it cost a small fortune ... Muslims spend around 10 thousand dollars to make the Hajj while the poorest people on earth ARE MUSLIMS ... like Somalia's poor

if all millions of Haj'jj just skip one year and put up the money to feed the Muslim poor and destitute all over ... they might get some respect back from the World .

So far all we see is selfish Muslims who make hajj many times in there lives .. with no spick of guilt what so ever .. they just brag to us how beautiful is thier Hajj was ...

Hajj became not about prayer to Allah as much as about glitz and glory .... boost and vanity .... to brag about among others .

I challenge all Muslims who read here ... if the next time they have the urge to go to Hajj , to save the money and donate it to the poor and make nazer [ promise ] to Allah to accept it, in place of Hajj .

Do you think your Allah will like that ? ...after all Zakat, have not worked to solve hunger and illiteracy problem in the Muslim world as it should have as you all know .

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Lighten up
written by Angry Ant , October 30, 2012
Muslim lady to friend- "I haven't seen your little Muhammad for ages!"

"Oh, he's not so little now- a proud 12 year old suicide bomber"

"Goodness me, they blow up so fast, don't they?"
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Another good one
written by Angry Ant , October 30, 2012
The only invention of Islam since C13 is said to be the condom, using the lower intestine of a goat.

The genius of this development was when they realised they could take it out of the goat first!!
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Fineliving
written by Malem , October 30, 2012
But you never have gone to Hajj, so you cannot speak to it without experiencing it. If you want to talk about a waste of money, why not look at the 250 Million spent on the presidential campaign in the west? Im sure the 47% of people on Food Stamps in states would have liked to have some of it dont you think so lass? How about the trillion spent on the Iraq/Afghan war, im sure that the poor people of those countries would have like to receive aid instead of a cluster bomb. I donate more to the poor in terms of money and medical services in one year than you will likely do in a lifetime. Hajj is a wonderful peaceful gathering, to praye to god and reflect on how we can make ourselves better. maybe you should go....
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Dying Islam
written by Angry Ant , October 30, 2012
Like all religion, Islam is under threat from education and real wisdom; this I feel is why we are seeing the extreme reaction from hard liners. They are desperate to continue their oppression and control but the young are increasingly rejecting it, in spite of the foul indoctrination of children and Arab media spouting lies and hatred. All we need to know is the meaning of Dar-al harb and be aware of the danger until values of freedom and decency rid our world of this 7th century barbarism.
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ant
written by Malem , October 30, 2012
Oh yes you must be right in your statements especialy since in the west Islam has grown 25-30% while all others have declined, In Europe it has grown 145%...seems like you might want to do some fact checking. Desperation sounds like more of the sate your in lad. Given your tendency to spout hateful and racist statements, spread lies etc..that is more the actions of a desperate man or boy. As for inventions after C13 there are many, one relevant one I know about is Vaccinations or Inoculation this was brought to Europe via a Muslim from Turkey in the 1700's. Again if you did a little research lad you would not look like such the fool.
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Malem - Question
written by Kaser , October 30, 2012
Malem, like Kope, you claim Islam is growing in the west and in Europe.
You know what, I fully agree with you.

Western Christians, being free to think and question, being educated, are seeing the faults and fails of religion in general. They leave. Which means Christianity is dying also. Muslims leave their native lands and emigrate to the US and Europe. Increasing Islam % there while Christianity declines or gains timidly. (Some Xtians leave to join Islam - can you imagine!!! - many of them during their passage in the penitentiaries as convicted felons... great addition to your group Malem)

BUT Once Western Muslims see these same faults and fails in Islam (and they will) they will drop Islam also...
...even quicker that we dropped Christianity because they are surrounded by people that do not hate them back for their beliefs. But Muslims leaving or abandoning Islam won't brag about it Malem... You know why? Probably due to the fact they get marked for death. I'm sure there is WAY more Muslims silently abandoning Islam than you might think.

Malem, do you think apostates should be killed?

Have fun living in your dreamworld!
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Kaser
written by Malem , October 30, 2012
I live in the real world lad, each day. To answer your question, there is no compulsion in Islam so why would there need to be a reason to hurt anyone as you ask. If someone attacks you I would guess depending on the situation, you will need to do whatever it is to defend oneself. However your assertion above is based on what you think is going on, so there is really no solid evidence just you guessing and dreaming yourself. Sweet dreams lad, sweet dreams.
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Malem
written by Kaser , October 30, 2012
No compulsion in Islam?
Right, tell that to the Non-Muslims in Nigeria.
Tell that to the unmarried couple in Mali stoned to death.
Tell that to the young Pakistani girl shot.

No compulsion im Islam?
Malem, with that single phrase you just removed any and all credibility you had.
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Malem
written by Kaser , October 30, 2012
Quran 8:12
When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

Quran 4:91
You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given you a clear authority.

Snif, snif, such love-filled passages in your "there is no compulsion in religion".
You are really incoherent Malem...
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well I never thought...
written by Betty , October 30, 2012
that anyone would use food stamps as anything but a political grouse, but Malem you take the cake...maybe, if you can, read this about the almost gone President of the US

http://weaselzippers.us/2012/1...-too-hard/
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the motes in our eyes
written by Scotty , October 30, 2012
I don't think it's fair to hold all Muslims to an absolutist literal interpretation of the Quran any more than it is to hold all Christians accountable to similar notions within the Bible. Both have their "over the top" moments, eh? To say to a Muslim "Do you think all apostates should be killed?" isn't much different than asking a Christian or a Jew "Do you think people should be executed for picking up firewood on the sabbath?"

All religions have their wing-nut (and often violent) fringe. It sort of comes with the territory. If you want to bring up "jihadist suicide bombers" you better be prepared to answer for KKK torture-lynchings.

In my experience, it is the minority of religious adherents that are brainwashed to the extent that they would kill someone "for the Lord", and it is but the confused who maintain any illusions that those extremists represent the majority of their faith. (Dude! That's why they're called *extremists*!)

The defeat of the extremists from either camp will not come from continued religious divisiveness, nor protracted military campaigns, but through the acknowledgement of the common threads of human existence that unite us all: love for our families, love for Creation, etc. We all have SO much more in common than not, and if you don't realize this than you really need to get out and travel the world more. Unfortunately, there are a few (and it really is relatively VERY few) who stand to gain financially and politically from conflict, and hence we must be eternally vigilant against their efforts to divide us and set us against one another.

By the way "abc" is correct.... we did prop up Saddam back before he was "a monster" (but rather "OUR monster") and we did not give a flying you-know-what when we KNEW he was gassing his own people as well as the Iranians. A quick Google search of "Rumsfeld Saddam" says it all...

Finally to Betty... you might.want.to.consider thinking twice about referencing "weaselzippers" to make a case about... well, about ANYTHING really. The most cursory examination of the community frequenting that site reveals one of the most jawdroppingly god-awful representations of humanity in the entire blogosphere, and I am really not one much given to flippant hyperbole. Seriously, folks... read the comments (if you can stomach it). I feel like someone herded the dimmest of dimwits all onto one website just for their own sick amusement!
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Well Scotty
written by Betty , October 30, 2012
I think I'd be safe to assume you're an obamy supporter, huh?
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Oh and P.S
written by Betty , October 30, 2012
that's (the original post) from a Rasmussen pole. Everyone does need to go and read the information on WeaselZippers and draw their own conclusions, it's definitely not catering to the liberal thinkers lol
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betty
written by malem , October 30, 2012
Betty my stating of a that fact of the west having almost 150 million people on food stamps was in response to the comment made about Hajj being a waste of money. I point out the waste of 250 miilion dollars on a presidential election might be appreciated by those who cannot afford food. I have no political gain in your little presidential race, although it is amusing to watch. We look forward to another term of Obama
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Malem!
written by Kaser , October 30, 2012
Again, avoiding discussions when they do not suit you?
PLEASE Help me, I need to also see the light !
How do you reconcile the two violent verses I posted above with your comment "there is no compulsion in religion"

Waiting on you Malem...
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Aaaaand just
written by Jye , October 30, 2012
when you've read it all, along comes a liberal idiot to remind us of the imaginary Christian terrorists to justify the REAL acts of terrorism committed by Muslims.
What a waste of air.
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kaser
written by Malem , October 30, 2012
Lad, whos avoiding you, maybe ignoring you but not avoiding. As for those verses, let me address the first one. First it is not a violent verse. The 8:12 verse was revealed about the Battle of Badr, which occurred in Arabia in the early seventh century. This battle was where the pagans of Makkah traveled over 200 miles to Madinah with an army of over 1000 men to destroy the Muslims. Muslims had suffered for years in Mekkah and now that they had found a sanctuary in the city of Madinah, they were once again threatened. Note also the Muslim Army was only about 300 strong. The enemy came to them with the intent to kill Muslims. It was a war to defend themselves and their Faith and was a war imposed upon them.

You see if you had knowledge of the Quran, you would be aware of the timelines and events rather than trying to cherry pick verses. The second verse can be explained in the same manner. But in the end there is no compulsion in Islam.
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kaser
written by Malem , October 30, 2012
Lad, whos avoiding you, maybe ignoring you but not avoiding. As for those verses, let me address the first one. First it is not a violent verse. The 8:12 verse was revealed about the Battle of Badr, which occurred in Arabia in the early seventh century. This battle was where the pagans of Makkah traveled over 200 miles to Madinah with an army of over 1000 men to destroy the Muslims. Muslims had suffered for years in Mekkah and now that they had found a sanctuary in the city of Madinah, they were once again threatened. Note also the Muslim Army was only about 300 strong. The enemy came to them with the intent to kill Muslims. It was a war to defend themselves and their Faith and was a war imposed upon them.

You see if you had knowledge of the Quran, you would be aware of the timelines and events rather than trying to cherry pick verses. The second verse can be explained in the same manner. But in the end there is no compulsion in Islam.
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Malem
written by Kaser , October 30, 2012
Thank you Malem, but again you fail to acknowledge that these verses I "cherry pick" are also "cherry picked" by countless Muslim that use them to justify their savage actions. These are the words of god, and in the Quran, god did not give any context, so all Muslims are free to interpret them as they like.
Like Boko Haram, Ansar Dine, ... Even our friend Anjem Choudary that espouses killing aopostates in his Islam4UK.
But I guess they are all wrong Malem, only you see the true light of Islam.

Your explanation above simply proves my (and countless others') point that the "revelations" of the Quran are nothing else than what your idol, Mohammed, needed "revealed" to suit his needs at the time.

Malem - why would the god of the Universe need to "whisper" in the ear of your prophet when he was faced (or choosing) war? Was your god the chief captain of the Mulsim armies at the time, directing his troops through Mohammed's revelations?

A verse telling the followers to cut somebody's head off is completely violent. Like Islam in general.
With that kind of reasoning Malem, no wonder your religion is still covered in the blood of innocents all over the world.
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Kaser
written by Malem , October 30, 2012
Having a conversation with someone who knows little about the Quran is quite an effort, especially with you. Allah never "whispered" into the ear of Mohamed, where did you come up with that one? More false garbage. Yes there is absolutely context required when reading the Quran, you at least have to read the entire Surah to gain its knowledge. I realize reading is a challenge for you but maybe someone can read it to you. It was revealed over years and during certain times when Mohamed needed guidance with Allah surely provided. Lastly the versus doesnt say "cut someones head off" that is your incorrect translation. Do people interpret it incorrectly both in and out of Islam? Yes, and you continue to cherry pick
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Malem
written by Kaser , October 30, 2012
I can read and write Malem. No need for childish insults.
Enjoy the read. But I apologize, it's in english, not Arabic

http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/008-qmt.php#008.012
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Malem
written by Kaser , October 30, 2012
Enjoy the read (even though you will refute it as being false, incorrectly translated, or other nonsense)
http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/re...p#008.012

You see Malem, I do read about the Quran. When was the last time you read articles on Astronomy. On Geology?

Have you looked-up the "Iridium anomaly" yet?
This is proof that The Quran, the bible and all other "creationist" beliefs are just plain garbage...
Enjoy this read also... Or ignore it... Whatever you prefer Malem...
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Bad link above Malem, sorry
written by Kaser , October 30, 2012
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Scotty
written by abc , October 30, 2012
Spot on!

Jye- your brand of xtianity is why people are becoming Muslim.
Say bye bye in a few years!
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abc
written by Jye , October 30, 2012
Oh look the liberal and the Islamist are joining forces. Didn't see that one coming. Yes the murders of apostates and Sabbath wood collectors are on par in these two morons worlds.
Explain my brand of CHRISTianity, abc? I'd like to know if your opinion of me is as ignorant and deluded as it is about your own religion. Also explain your last statement. Is it a threat?
A threat from a Muslim - who'd have thunk!

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abc
written by Jye , October 30, 2012
And if you must quote me, to validate your presumptions, do it accurately. Don't just pull BS lies from your a$s like usual.
I'll chit chat later. Right now I'm off to honor kill my daughter for collecting firewood last Saturday.
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Before I go
written by Jye , October 31, 2012
A good movie, by an ACTUAL moderate Muslim (yes they do exist), that idiot liberals really should watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3BGwQr8xg4
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Jye
written by abc , October 31, 2012
Your brand of Christian conservatism!
You sound like a typical teabagger!
No I would not threaten anyone indirectly. That was definitely not that.
It was to say that Christian conservatism is done.
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Kaser
written by Malem , October 31, 2012
You do not read the Quran, that is evident in your extreme lack of knowledge, you prove it each day. As for Geology, that is not my area of expertise nor something that interests me. However I have had the opportunity to meet Bob Schoch a young westerner who was in my country for a while studying the Sphinx, he was/is a geologist. Maybe you can ask him your question lad.
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Malem
written by Kaser , October 31, 2012
You live in Egypt - a beutiful country that I wish to visit one day.
A little bit for the pyramids, but mainly for the unique historical aspects.
I do hope Islamic fanatics, gaining power, will not destroy pagan symbols like was done Timbuktu, Afghanistan...

Back to the subject at hand:

You repeat that Islam is a religion with no compulsion.
I gave you Quran verses that demand beheading for non-believers. You claim these verses are not violent.
I gave you my source. How do you reconcile "non-violent" and "beheading"?

How can Islam be non-compulsive when it directs its followers to behead non-believers in its verses?
Verses that violent Muslims use to inflict pain and suffering? And kill. They ignore your "context" because Islam allows them to do so.

Forget about my ignorance Malem - I want YOUR explanation. How do YOU reconcile this?
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no DNC-dupe here, thank you very kindly
written by Scotty , October 31, 2012
Betty, I actually speak out against Obama quite regularly. Not a big fan of war-criminals and Wall Street shills in general...
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no DNC-dupe here, thank you very kindly
written by Scotty , October 31, 2012
Betty, I actually speak out against Obama quite regularly. Not a big fan of war-criminals and Wall Street shills in general...
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Betty
written by abc , October 31, 2012
Do you go by the name bonnie too???
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Malem, lad
written by Angry Ant , October 31, 2012
Ignorant, deluded, mentally unhinged with no concept of decency or reality. How sad is your irrational belief system, how idiotic your unsupported claims? Muslim 'science' has been moribund for centuries; stultified by ridiculous Islamic dogma, only lies & bluster to demonstrate its complete absurdity. ALL so-called Islamic progress is merely plagiarization of the works of Greek, Roman, Persian, Indian, Chinese and Egyptian civilizations. Face it, Islam is the stupidest and most repressive system of control and terror to curse humanity & it's prophet was undoubtedly the foulest creature ever to despoil this beautiful Earth.
You are a pathetic by-product of a very evil pathology, lad
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abc
written by Jye , October 31, 2012
I'm not a "tea bagger", nor am I ultra conservative. See? You shouldn't presume. I'm just right of center if you have to categorize me. I have nothing against Muslims, and plenty against the ideology that is Islam. It's the antithesis of human rights, women's rights and rights for religious minorities. This is a FACT. As I have said I've spent the better part of 10 years reading about Islam. I'm no left wing - or right - media lackey, brain dead sheep. What I understand is through my OWN research. So kindly don't attempt to libel me just because I speak out against an intolerant, political ideology that is a threat to freedom and human rights. If you don't mind.
As for the Tea Party, I don't see anything wrong with it, though I don't vote for it mainly so the GOP won't be divided. It's only liberal tools and Muslim radicals that slander it with their usual lies and propaganda. It's actually laughable that you're an adherent to the most intolerant ideology that has ever existed and you have the audacity to attack other political parties.
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Kaser
written by Malem , November 01, 2012
We agree on one point that I also hoep that reasonable people run our government and leave the beautiful artifacts as they be.

Again the verses you keep referring to as other have are defensive posters described in the Quran not offensive. It does not advocate in anyway that one be beheaded for not embracing islam, in fact it states many times to live in peace with the other religions.
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Kaser
written by Malem , November 01, 2012
I agree with you on that point. I also hope that the people whom end up running the government are reassonable minded and leave the artifacts to be enjoyed by all. I believe my friend Dr Hawass will keep a keen eye on that area.

As for the verses you mention, they are put forth in a defensive posture not offensive. It says nowhere in the Quran that if you do not embrace Islam, you will be beheaded. In fact it shows many times how we must live in peace with all.
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Malem the Moron
written by Angry Ant , November 01, 2012
No response to my debunking of "Islamic science" claims, my boy? So many sites like WikiIslam.com detailing these ridiculous claims from the Religion of Utter Stupidity.
Muslims make claims that all Muhammad's warmongering was "defensive", as in beheading 900 unarmed prisoners! Excellent logic from delusional idiots. As for taking over the world, NO CHANCE!
Islamists are just too moronic for anything complex, as proven by the complete absence of technical & scientific progress in Islamic countries.
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More Qur'an war verses
written by Yibel , November 01, 2012
The jihad warriors are the ONLY true believers:

Qur'an 8:12, 14 ”I shall cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. Strike them above the necks, smite their finger tips…. the punishment of the fire is for the unbelievers.”
8:39 ”Fight them (unbelievers) until persecution (opposition ends) is no more and the religion of Allah (all submit to Allah) reigns supreme.”
8:59-60 ”Do not suppose that the unbelievers have outstripped Allah. They cannot frustrate me. Against them make ready your strength to the utmost power, including steeds of war, so that you strike terror into the enemies of allah and your enemy, and others besides them whom you do not know but Allah does.”
8:65 ”O Prophet, urge the believers to fight. If there are twenty patient men among you, you shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred, they shall overcome a thousand unbelievers, for they are a nation who do not understand.”
8:74 ”Those who believe and migrated from their homes and fought for the Way of Allah, and those who have sheltered them and helped them they are truly the believers.”
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horrible islam
written by rock , November 01, 2012
I agree with gnostic.

Islamic minorities are growing fast everywhere until they begin to dominate. There is one islamic principle that seems to be very successful and I am talking about islamic communication and interaction.

While very many muslim are uneducated or even illiterate, islamic methods of commuication and interaction are very effective in terms of brain washing and mobilization.

Muslims meet up to five times per day for prayer and once at friday prayer and spread all the islamistic nonsense. Against the west, against the jews, against women, equality and freedom. Always blame the others but never oneself and hate, hate, hate, hate!

Since most muslims do not have the ability to understand the truth, most believe in what their teachers tell them and do what they are expected to do.

This is what I call a intellectual desease spreading everywhere in the world and now also began in Australia!

Those absolutely true.
By brain washing they plant and grow hatred in all muslim mind.
They are evil and easily blame everything to others.
What they preach on mosque, cristianity is pagan religion and the cristen is woman and sex lover. They are sinner. They said it outloud using louds without a shame, and respect because we are just minority.
And I'm so sick hearing my muslim acquitances blaming america for all bad things that happen in our country without even thinking the real cause of it. And that words even come from educated muslims.
I just don't understand who is their chief leader now and what they want.
Islam is really a horrible religion.
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Rock
written by abc , November 02, 2012
Tell your "Muslim friends" you coward.
You feel that badly about them that you have to bitch on a hate sight.
What are a man or a mouse???
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Antman
written by Malem , November 02, 2012
You have proven nothing except that you cannot prove anything. I would suggest putting a little terro lotion on yourself to calm you.
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Rock
written by Malm , November 02, 2012
Take a look at your post lad, based on your use of the english language, it might be you who is the uneducated one.

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