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Hatred of Dogs in Islam: Did Muhammad Played Lord over Allah?

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As Islamic hatred of dogs are criticized in the West, some people are trying to say that Allah didn't command to hate dogs, but it comes from hadiths. In fact, Muhammad's commands in hadiths regarding dogs do not necessarily differ from Allah's; and if they do, it's perfectly within the power Allah has ordained upon Muhammad as His equal partner in setting Islamic laws.


Dogs are a wonderful creature. Dogs easily bond with humans, they protect them, and have likely served them since man appeared on the earth. Dogs are being kept as loving pets by non-Muslim people all over the world.

Yet, dogs have a dark place in Islamic society. Dogs are considered unclean, and Islamic angels do not enter a house that has a dog. Islam also recognizes certain types of dogs as "devil", and orders that Muslims must kill such dogs.

Dogs are, thus, a despised creature in the Islamic world? Islamic traditions prohibit petting of dogs in Muslim homes. Even a "Muslim" taxi driver in America would not allow a blind person and his guide dog into his cab.

The question is: Does it make any sense that Islam would despise this lovely, faithful and friendly animal? Does it make sense that Allah would create this wonderful animal only to be hated so intensely by the followers of His "only true and prefect" religion?

These are questions that would baffle non-Muslims. And the Islamic hatred of dogs has often come for criticism by people in the West.

Under this situation, some moderate Muslims are claiming that the Islamic hatred of dogs originate exclusively from hadiths, i.e. from the traditions of the prophet of Islam, which may have been fabricated or, at least, are not divine commandments of Allah. Here are a few such hadiths concerning dogs.

Dogs in the eyes of Prophet Muhammad

1. Dogs reduce good deeds of Muslims

Bukhari 3:515:

Narrated Abu Huraira: “Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever keeps a dog, one Qirat of the reward of his good deeds is deducted daily, unless the dog is used for guarding a farm or cattle." Abu Huraira (in another narration) said from the Prophet, "unless it is used for guarding sheep or farms, or for hunting." Narrated Abu Hazim from Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "A dog for guarding cattle or for hunting."”

2. Dogs spoil prayers

a) Bukhari Vol. 1, #490:

Narrated 'Aisha: "he things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, “Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people).” I said, “You have made us (i.e. women) dogs. I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away, for I disliked to face him.""

b) Abu Dawud Number 704:

Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: Ikrimah reported on the authority of Ibn Abbas, saying: I think the Apostle of Allah said: When one of you prays without a sutrah, a dog, an ass, a pig, a Jew, a Magian, and a woman cut off his prayer, but it will suffice if they pass in front of him at a distance of over a stone's throw.

3. Angels don’t enter a house having dogs

a) Bukhari 3:515:

Narrated Abu Huraira: “I heard Allah's Apostle saying; "Angels (of Mercy) do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or a picture of a living creature (a human being or an animal)."”

b) Sahih Muslim 5246:

Narrated 'Aisha: “Gabriel made a promise with Allah's Messenger to come at a definite hour; that hour came but he did not visit him. And there was in his hand (in the hand of Allah's Apostle) a staff. He threw it from his hand and said: Never has Allah or His messengers (angels) ever broken their promise. Then he cast a glance (and by chance) found a puppy under his cot and said: Aisha, when did this dog enter here? She said: By Allah, I don't know. He then commanded and it was turned out. Then Gabriel came and Allah's Messenger said to him: You promised me and I waited for you, but you did not come, whereupon he said: It was the dog in your house which prevented me (to come), for we (angels) do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture.”

4. Kill the Dogs

a) Sahih Muslim 5248:

Narrated Maymunah: “One morning Allah's Messenger was silent with grief. Maymunah said: Allah's Messenger, I find a change in your mood today. Allah's Messenger said: Gabriel had promised me that he would meet me last night, but he did not meet me. By Allah, he never broke his promises; and Allah's Messenger spent the day in this sad (mood). Then it occurred to him that there had been a puppy under their cot. He gave an order and it was turned out. He then took some water in his hand and sprinkled it on the place. When it was evening Gabriel met him and he said to him: You promised me that you would meet me the previous night. He said: Yes, but we do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture. So the very next morning he commanded the dogs to be killed. He announced that the dog kept for the orchards should also be killed, but he spared the dog used for the protection of extensive fields (or big gardens).”

b) Malik's Muwatta, Book 54, Number 54.5.13:

"Malik related from Nafi from Abdullah Ibn Umar that the Messenger of God ordered all dogs (other than sheepdogs or hunting dogs) to be killed".

c) Hanbal 4/85; 5/54:

The Messenger of God said: "You shall kill all black dogs; because they are devils."

Dogs in the eyes of Allah

While Prophet Muhammad and angels of Islam deem dogs as unclean, evil and even worth being killed, Allah apparently does not give such harsh assessment of dogs.

1. In the Quran

Allah makes a few mentions of dogs in the Quran, especially in Surah Kahf (The Cave, Surah 18).

Quran 18:18:

"You would think that they were awake, when they were in fact asleep. We turned them to the right side and the left side, while their dog stretched his arms in the entrance."

Here, Allah talks of a few people, who took refuse in a cave, because they were being forced by their opponents to pray to other Gods than Allah. And Allah saved them by giving refuge in a cave and keeping them asleep for 309 years. And Allah is saying: their dogs guarded the entrance of the cave over all those years.

Next, ayah 18:22 also makes mention of dog as part of these believers:

"Some would say, they were three; their dog being the fourth, while others would say, Five; the sixth being their dog, as they guessed. Others said, seven, and the eighth was their dog. Say, My Lord is the best knower of their number. Therefore, do not argue with them; just go along with them. You need not consult anyone about this."

2. In the Hadith

Bukhari 4:538:

Narrated Abu Huraira: “Allah's Apostle said, "A prostitute was forgiven by Allah, because, passing by a panting dog near a well and seeing that the dog was about to die of thirst, she took off her shoe, and tying it with her head-cover she drew out some water for it. So, Allah forgave her because of that."”

Here, Allah suggests that showing mercy to dogs can be a good deed that may wipe out all sins even of a prostitute. Also in verse 5:4, Allah indirectly suggests that dogs can be used for hunting.

So, it seems that Muhammad and Allah had different perspectives of dogs. Or that’s what some moderate Muslims have started claiming.

Is that really so?

In the verses cited above, Allah just makes mention of a dog that kept guard of the cave in which believers had taken refuge. And Muhammad also had similar ideas about dogs, when they were of use. He allowed keeping dogs for guarding and hunting purposes. He only didn't like black dogs, which Muslims must do away with.

In the olden days, dogs were very useful as guards, especially for alerting owners when thieves or strangers approached the owner’s house at night time. And Muhammad, like Allah, saw value to this usefulness of dogs, and appreciated the service.

In today's world, especially in urban areas, dogs are not useful for guarding homes. There, people pet dogs as a loving animal, as a companion or friend. This is what is not allowed in Islam, because dogs spoil prayers and reduces believers' good deed.

Islam stands on two pillars: 1) Commandments of Allah as enshrined in the Quran, and 2) Commands, actions and deeds of Prophet Muhammad.

In more than a dozen verses (3:32; 4:13,59,69; 5:92; 8:1,20,46; 9:71; 24:47,51–52,54,56; 33:33; 47:33; 49:14; 58:13; 64:12), the Quran commands Muslims to follow Allah and His Apostle (i.e. Muhammad). So, the commands, deeds, and actions of Prophet Muhammad are no less important in Islam than Allah’s commands and precepts in the Quran.

And on the question of dogs, Allah and Prophet Muhammad have similar ideas. Allah makes a mention of dogs acting as guard for believers as well as for hunting pray for food. Prophet Muhammad also appreciated the same, and recommended the use of dogs for the same purposes.

Other than that, dogs are undesirable as per Prophet Muhammad such as for petting as companion etc., because they have other harmful effects, although Allah does not make any mention of them.

When Allah and Prophet Muhammad are of the same importance in Islam, then the believers have no other option but to keep dogs only for hunting and guarding purposes. Beyond that, they just have to despise dogs, even kill the black dogs, and they certainly can't keep a dog as a loving companion or pet.

And this is in perfect harmony with Islamic ideals. Allah and Prophet Muhammad are of equal importance in Islam, which Allah Himself repeatedly reminded the believers in so many verses. So, where Allah is silent or obscure, the Prophet’s commands, actions and deeds become the Law.

Therefore, concerning the Islamic treatment of dogs, Muhammad didn't play lordship over Allah as some moderate Muslims want to portray. It's within the power and privilege by Allah has ordained to Muhammad.

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Brakoon and M. A. Khan
written by fineliving56 , March 28, 2012
Thank you for writing an article about a very dear subject in my heart … dogs in Islam.

I questioned it a lot silently when I was a Muslimah … but when I left … I fought to have a dog in My house … and I won … in a way … she is not allowed in side the house only in the back yard … I bring her in when I can

Muslims should take lessons from the love that dogs are capable of giving to humens …. most humen are not able to give

I wrote about my dog before … and having her gives me such joy … Muslims are missing out on this kind of unconditional love a dog gives.

There is no surprise Muslims hate doges following in the foot steps of Muhammad …

Dogs are loving and they are best friends … and Muslims do not have the concept of such higher humen qualities .

I actually feel sorry for there deprived souls …
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@ Brokaan & M A Khan
written by Muslim and proud , March 28, 2012
Muslims are missing out on this kind of unconditional love a dog gives.


Mulims are not missing out at all.

You are more than welcome to enjoy your dogs - we don't miss out in any way.

It makes me laugh to see the English people picking up the shi* and putting it in a bag when they take the dog for a walk.............believe me, we are not missing out.
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...
written by reece , March 28, 2012
Mate dogs are mans best friend. My bluey would take a bullet for one of us.
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haha
written by fineling56 , March 28, 2012
Yah … that is right

They pike up the poop for cats instead … the pop from cats is not nagas !! … haha

I have seen Muslims pike up cats nagas from their homes floor … all my Muslims relatives have done that …haha …

we all know the stink out the cat is a lot stinker the dog's ….

Not that I do not like cats … I like them … I like dogs better because they are a lot more loving .
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muslims on here.....
written by Amboyduke , March 28, 2012
are without a doubt the most pathetic, f**ked up excuses for humanity that could possibly breathe.

They are UNBELIEVEABLE....!!!

How a belief structure can mess people up like this is beyond comprehension.
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How many wrongs could be found in this Muslim remark ...
written by fineliving56 , March 28, 2012
'' It makes me laugh to see English people picking up the shi* and putting it in a bag when they take the dog for a walk "

Let us see...

*Laugh at people *... Muslim mind who thinks it is OK to laugh at people who took Muslim in and let them share their country .....

More

* People who pick up the pop for their won dog * .... as we can see it is laughable to a Muslim to pike up ones dog pop to keep the street clean and to be mind full of others ... as we can Muslim mind in incapable to understand that ... WOW

I hope they realize how backward and inhuman their mind to the civilized people ..... The mind of a Muslim ...WOW



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Fineliving666 and Amboyduke
written by Muslim and proud , March 28, 2012
Fineliving666

They pike up the poop for cats instead … the pop from cats is not nagas !! … haha!!


You enjoy making a fool of yourself Gran. People do not take cats for a walk - lol. English people pick up the dog shi* in public....

Amboyduke

muslims on here.....
are without a doubt the most pathetic, f**ked up excuses for humanity that could possibly breathe.

They are UNBELIEVEABLE....!!!

How a belief structure can mess people up like this is beyond comprehension.


Don't be mad amboyduke - take your dog out for a walk instead and do some shi*t picking instead mucker?

Talking of shi*, how's your mate Duh_Swami? Have you heard from him? He used to talk (far*) a lot - in the end, he went out like a pu*sy.........pass on my condolences to him when you see him mucker.

Laterz
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Did not say walk a cat ... read it
written by fineliving56 , March 28, 2012
I said ... pike up cat's pop from their home's floors .... I guess i have to say everything more then once for a muslim to understand

Floors and carpet .... where they put their forehead on and put up their rear-end to pray ...

Cats in your Muslims homes .... not walk a cat ... haha
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Who says women are not respected in Islam " afine example of womens respect"
written by Infidel and More proud , March 28, 2012
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1- Dog Shit cleaning vs Mohammad's followers drinking and smearing his ablution water Compare yourself
written by Infidel and More Proud , March 28, 2012
Bukhari Volume 1, Book 4, Number 187:
Narrated Abu Juhaifa:
Allah’s Apostle came to us at noon and water for ablution was brought to him. After he had performed ablution, the remaining water was taken by the people and they started smearing their bodies with it (as a blessed thing). The Prophet offered two Rakat of the Zuhr prayer and then two Rakat of the ‘Asr prayer while an ‘Anza (spear-headed stick) was there (as a Sutra) in front of him. Abu Musa said: The Prophet asked for a tumbler containing water and washed both his hands and face in it and then threw a mouthful of water in the tumbler and said to both of us (Abu Musa and Bilal), “Drink from the tumbler and pour some of its water on your faces and chests.”

Ablution is the removal of any sexual residue, blood or excrement on a person. Here we see Mohammad’s followers rubbing themselves with that water as a blessed thing, and Mohammad, who after washing his hands, and rinsing his mouth, asking his followers to drink from it. We also know that Mohammad had many semen stains, and would have to continually wash himself of those stains…
1) Why would his followers think of smearing their bodies with his leftover ablution water find it heavenly?
a) Did they think it was a blessing?
b) How could they be blessed by his cleaned up semen stains?
c) Did Allah find Mohammad’s cleaned semen or blood stains to be a blessing?
d) Should all Muslims start smearing themselves in the ablution water of Mohammad’s direct descendants (syeeds) in order to be like their ancestors smearing their bodies with Mohammad’s remaining ablution water and regurgitated rinsing water?
e) Were his followers that fanatical that they would do anything for Mohammad, including blowing themselves up for a chance at paradise to drink from the rivers of wine (which are illegal on earth but not haram in heaven)
i) Think about it, why are the very same vices that would take you to hell allowed in heaven? Is this an allegory of Mohammad that maybe his heaven is really a hell?

2) Why did Mohammad order his companions to drink his regurgitated water?
a) Did he think he was being prophet-like in ordering his followers to drink up the remainder of what they cleaned themselves with?
b) Did he think like he was being like other prophets?
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2- Dog Shit cleaning vs Mohammad's followers drinking and smearing his ablution water Compare yourself
written by Infidel and More Proud , March 28, 2012
i) For instance, Jesus washed the feet of others. John 13:1-20. The point was that Jesus was to serve his followers. Here Mohammad, who claims to be like all other prophets before him, does the complete opposite by forcing his followers to swallow what he spit out.
ii) Or, was it because he thought this was his version of the Last Supper, where Jesus broke bread in an allegorical way saying it is his body? Matthew 26: 17-46 (NOTE – Jesus did not actually have people eat his body, or drink the remnants of what he washed himself with, but broke bread as a symbolism that his blood was being spilt when he died on the cross for the sins of mankind) (whether you believe this or not is irrlevant, take the point that he did NOT make his followers actually eat drink his blood, eat his body, or drink and smear his ablution water)
iii) No, because the point of all Muslims was to be a slave to Mohammad, and obey all that he said no matter the consequences of wreaking havoc on others.

No wonder Muslims are still seeking a life living in the glory of his putrid f*rts. Pearly and RZQ over to you..
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Muslim Pharmaceuticals AKA camel urine
written by Infidel and More Proud , March 28, 2012
"Muslim pharmaceutical achievements"
The famous advice by your “prophet” to drink camel urine as the All Cure medicine? Narrated Abu Qilaba: “Anas said, “Some people of ‘Ukl or ‘Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine)… (Sahih Bukhari, Ablutions (Wudu’), Volume 1, Book 4, Number 234)
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Who says children are loved by Christians. A fine example of Christian love
written by Rzq , March 28, 2012
http://www.vexen.co.uk/religio...abuse.html

See what I just did there you low life infidel!
How you like me now?
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Infidull
written by Rzq , March 28, 2012
"Muslim Pharmaceuticals AKA camel urine"
You really want to start that again! The last time this topic came up, you phobes were smashed from pillar to post!!!
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@ RZQ and your frustration
written by Infidel and More proud , March 28, 2012
How you like me now?

No I dont want to be like you.

So you agree what I said above?
All you are doing is starting other thread which does not refute any of what I said above does it.
All you said about chirstians however you have not said anything about my two other posts.

What have chirstian example got to do with Mo and his antics.
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@RZQ "Muslim Pharmaceuticals AKA camel urine" and which posts - bring it on?
written by Infidel and More proud , March 28, 2012
"Muslim Pharmaceuticals AKA camel urine"

you phobes were smashed from pillar to post!!!.. What are you talking about.
Please be explicit.
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Two faced Muslims When in need asking help from Isreal
written by Infidel and More Proud , March 28, 2012
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Infidull
written by Rzq , March 28, 2012
Frustration??? What are you babbling on about?
I was hoping you were smart enough to see what I did! Clearly not!
You posted a link to that rag daily mail and implied Muslim problem. Like a bigot you use broad brush. So I did exactly the same with Christianity to see if you would get it!
But clearly not!
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Here we go again
written by Malem , March 28, 2012
There is no where in the Quran that says dogs are bad or that you cannot own a dog. I know Muslims that have dogs, they keep them outdoors most of the time where they belong. So the rest of the article is just conjecture that supposedly Muslims dislike dogs.
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Infidull
written by Rzq , March 28, 2012
"All you are doing is starting other thread which does not refute any of what I said above does it."
Say you who diverts from the main topic and posts three random topics.
Joker!
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@ RZQ and christianity
written by Infidel and More Proud , March 28, 2012
Feel free to post about christians on some christian watch forum for you are on Islam watch.
Your brother posted on cleaning after dogs therefore the cleaning and Muslim Hygine article.

Did I preach christianity to you?

How does your post improve the position of muslims from the article in daily mail?

Mo was in relation to cleanliness of Kuffars vs spit licking Muslims.
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OT … good news for a change
written by fineliving56 , March 28, 2012
Hamza Kashgari has been released from prison after he [ what else ] repented … I am sure he did not hestate to say he repented because when it comes to loosing your head over a twitteir agaist the thug Muhammad … saying I am sorry does not coast any thing …
I am so glad Muhammad the thug did not claim another life, Muslim or other wise

I just wanted to express this:

Islam rulled again by using intimidation and threat to kill just as Muhammad did and his followers …

Hamza did not repent out of love … but out of fear for his life …

I do not blame him … Muhammad ,Quran,Allah,Ilsam,Muslims … [ all garbage ] all are not worth lossing the valued life that we all get to have once …

Fear is the main artery in the body of Islam .

Very Happy for Hamza
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Fineliving666
written by Muslim and proud , March 28, 2012
I have seen Muslims pike up cats nagas from their homes floor … all my Muslims relatives have done that …haha …


So not only are your relative schild molestors, they also go around picking up cat sh*t.......

You make it all up as you go along.

Sad and pathetic
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Infidel and proud
written by Muslim and proud , March 28, 2012
USED water is not the same as LEFTOVER water........lol

Try and read the Hadith with your eyes open.

Ps. Remember to pick up the dog shi* next time you take your partner for a walk ;-)
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Fineliving
written by Rzq , March 28, 2012
You happy for my sister shaima alawady too????
Low life
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...
written by fineliving56 , March 28, 2012
What is ….*schild* ? … is that a Salat routine I do not know about …

if Muslims have the a habit of making things up to serve a purpose, no one needs to … what the point?.
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Fineliving
written by Rzq , March 28, 2012
Once again!
But this time in English!
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'Pearly boy et al and open eyes
written by Infidel and More proud , March 28, 2012
1. Please open my eyes ?

2. Please quote the line from hadith where you found the error?

3. Please explain the difference between used spit and leftover spit?

4. Please explain if Muslims recyle Mos. used toilet stones too?

As for your partner you would know better if it is goat sheep or camel for I wouldnt know would I?
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fineliving56...
written by Amboyduke , March 28, 2012
Did not say walk a cat ... read it
written by fineliving56 , March 28, 2012

I said ... pike up cat's pop from their home's floors .... I guess i have to say everything more then once for a muslim to understand

Floors and carpet .... where they put their forehead on and put up their rear-end to pray ...

Cats in your Muslims homes .... not walk a cat ... haha
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Excellent, Milady....that must be what that big brown spot on their mental deficient foreheads is from...grinding their heads into a cat shit oozing carpet...LOL LOL
It may also explain why their ridiculous "call to prayer" sounds like a bunch of horny ally cats getting ready to rut...LOL LOL

MEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOOWWW!!!

They are all so very brilliant. The quinessential example of higher primate evolution...LOL
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fineliving56...
written by Amboyduke , March 28, 2012
I wonder if M.&P. still loves me...?

I've heard I'm in his wet dreams...LOL
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Dogs are cool
written by Tanstaafl he , March 28, 2012
Maybe Muslims are jealous...
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Rinkel Kumari....
written by Healer_999 , March 29, 2012
Dear admin,

Please cover this story.

http://knowing-islamic-doctrines.blogspot.in/2012/03/heart-breaking-story-of-rinkel-kumari.html

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Hindu-girl-tells-Supreme-Court-she-would-rather-die-than-convert-to-Islam-24358.html

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Pervez Musharraf used to keep dogs
written by Dr Radhasyam Brahmachari , March 29, 2012
General Pervez Musharraf, the former President Pakistan used to keep dogs as pets. He had two Pekingese dogs.One of his dogs was named Whiskey. See - http://wn.com/ General_Pervez_Musharraf_President_of_Pakistan_Raza_Ali
_Bhutta & pervez Musharraf wikipedia free encyclopedia.
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Ladies and gentlement a test for you to see how far you are progressing in your knowedge of Islam and its bogus prophet
written by Clement- Islam -Watch Pastor , March 29, 2012

ANSWER TRUE OR FALSE
1.Mo was the only Messenger of Allah who also admitted that he spoke for Satan- True or false
2.Mo was the only Messenger of Allah who had a carnal knowledge of a 9 year old girl in the name of marriage-True or false
3.Mo was the only Messenger of Allah who approved multiple wives as divine injunction- True or false
4.Mo was the only Messenger of Allah whom Allah denied the power to perform miracle - True or false
5.Mo was the only Messenger of Allah who boasted of being victorious through terror-true or false
6.Mo was the only Messenger of Allah who take delight in assassinating all his critique-True or false
7.Mo was the only Messenger of Allah whose criminal activities are approved by Allah - True or false
8.Mo was the only Messenger of Allah whose sins are covered by divine revelation as divine deeds-True or false
9.Mo was the only Messenger of Allah who claim descent from Ishmael the son of Abraham through a housemaid.-True or false
10.Mo was the only Messenger of Allah who accepted Jesus as the Messiah but deny the divinity of the Messiah-True or false
11.Mo, was the only Messenger of Allah who accepted all the Jews prophets as prophets of Allah which means that all Jewish prophets are Muslim- True or false
12.All Islamic rituals and the five Pillars of Islam have pagan origin- True or false
13.All Muslim are made to believe that all messengers of Allah are sinless- True or false
14.All Muslim are made to believe by their scriptures that there is marriage in heaven-True or false
15.In Islam the Quran is more sacred than the human life-True or false
16.In Islam any criminal act approves by Allah become a sunnah ( an example to follow)-True or false
17.Freedom of speech and choice is not allowed in Islam - True or false
18.60% of the Quran is made up of threat or punishment and hell- True or false
19.Islam is the only religion that preaches violent against unbelievers as part of propagations of its faith- True or false
20.Islam is the only religions that transformed one of the most evil man that ever lived into prophet of God-True or false
If you have one or two of your answer as false it means your knowledge of Mohammed and his Quran is scanty. Cheers
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Pastor
written by Rzq , March 29, 2012
Yawn yawn!
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Pastor
written by Rzq , March 29, 2012
You have a cheer leader!
Does it sit, roll and bark upon instruction?
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my trully friends
written by someone , March 29, 2012


the islam / muslim is a very clean, especially in following Allah commands, such as sholat.Sholat is a servant Allah worship him communicate with his god Allah.

A Muslim to a Muslim should pray:
- Clean mind and heart (intentions)
- Clean water from dirty / unclean the inherent dibadan and clothing and place of prayer.
-other than that he should perform ablution, which is cleanse themselves with water is pure and clean in: the hands, mouth, nose, face, head, ears, hands up to elbows and both legs to ankle.


Dogs are dirty and diseased animals, especially saliva and should be shunned.ok.salam
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...
written by Fineliving56 , March 29, 2012
WOW

Islam watch with pictures in posting section ?!

Hurry …. jinn took over … jinn took over … take cover …

Muslims …heads down and rear up … time to pray the jinns away …… ;-)

We on the other hand, sit and watch …

we watch Islam watch ….. haha
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Dogs and other animals in Islam
written by Gnostic , March 29, 2012
What about pigs? Many people discovered recently that vietnamese pigs are much like dogs but even more intelligent. And why do many muslims refuse to eat scampis, squid, octpous or any molluscs? There is not reason but superstition! Imagine: why should Allah create such unclean animals at all? Here we an clearly realise that islam is damaging the economy or muslim countries. Humans can have many merits from dogs, pigs, squid, octopusses and scampis!
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Pigs in Islamic Countries
written by Infidel and More Proud , March 29, 2012
Turkish muslims keept domestic pigs.

http://ibloga.blogspot.co.uk/2...-pork.html
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Someone
written by Muslim and proud , March 29, 2012
Dogs are dirty and diseased animals, especially saliva and should be shunned.ok.salam


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Dogs and Muslims
written by Infidel and More Proud , March 29, 2012
In many civilizations inclduing Muslim sheperds of Afganistan dogs were used for sheperding.

After the takeover of taliban dogs were killed.

Afganistan has given some of the most beautiful dogs such as Afgan Hound.

As regards Saliva please let me know is saliva of cat, sheep, camel, goat, cow, and buffalo good?
Saliva of all animals contains bacteria humans included.
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Amboypuke
written by Muslim and proud , March 29, 2012
It may also explain why their ridiculous "call to prayer" sounds like a bunch of horny ally cats getting ready to rut...LOL LOL


Get used to it Amboypuke........the kuffar are giveing permission up and down the Country mucker.........

The call of prayer........COMING SOON TO AN EX-CHURCH NEAR YOU
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Gnostic
written by Malem , March 29, 2012
"And why do many muslims refuse to eat scampis, squid, octpous or any molluscs?" becuase they dont like them. Why does Duh not eat any meat? Why do certain people not like Donuts or Sweets, Why do many Chinese eat Rice, Why donts Jewsih people eat pork? Why do many Catholics eat Fish on Friday etc....... it is their choice and their way of life. One might ask why you eat your words so often
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Muslims are dreaming
written by Fineliving56 , March 29, 2012
If they think Loud speaker Azan going to be allowed In America … they are dreaming

So far … the request for that was denied … long Mathnah [ long tower over the mosque with speaker was denied too … and it is going to stay like this especially with all the news of terrorism by the devout Muslims is everywhere almost everyday .

Muslims are dreaming … everyone knows that but them ….
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To M & P
written by Archpagan , March 29, 2012
Your so-called 'prayers' which are nothing but swearing against others, only generates repulsion in us. For example, we translate 'Allah ho Akbar' as 'Allah re hugbo', meaning 'Allah, I shall defecate'.

Koran is fit to be used as toilet paper only.
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check this out people, happy reading.
written by merlot , March 29, 2012
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More about Dogs and Mos later lost love for dogs
written by Infidel and More Proud , March 30, 2012
Dogs are good at recognising outsiders.
Dogs start barking and attacking any outsiders that come to a community.
Unlike pet dogs many dogs used to be just living amongst humans but in open i.e. domesticated but not tied up.
These dogs take defence of territory rather seriously. So moe had to fight not just the humans but dogs as well.

Dogs were abolished to make places less secure and to avoid an extra step of fighting against dogs.
Mo also did not beleive in love and could not accept that anyone could be so loyal.
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Re: Malem
written by Gnostic , March 30, 2012
No, you are wrong. Muslim teachers are teaching that squid and crabs are haram, similar to judaism. And they are teaching that even those animals like pigfish that have a pig in their names are haram even if they are not at all related to pigs. While these islamic rules are absolutely useless there is no fatwa against fat beef sweets, cakes and anything and diabetes and obesitiy rates are among the highest in the world in islamic countries. Women are even more likely to get health problems because they are prevented from doing sports by islamic habits. Do you know that squid, octopus and crabs have no fat? But muslims dont like them and they prefer to get their feet cut off. There are hundreds of amputations because of diabetes in muslim countries but muslims only care about haram and halal, never about their health.
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Nice excuse!!!
written by Brown Superman , March 30, 2012
If the islamic angel did not come to their prophet's house........ because there was a puppy under the bed, then the angels should go to some other planets/other part of the universe and not visit this earth at all, since a lot of dogs (created by the stupid Allah, along with pigs and dirty donkeys) exist on this planet.

If Allah and the islamic angels are not the "thinking" type, how could the faithful muslims?
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dogs
written by candy , March 30, 2012
muslims are incapable of the type of love,dedication and respect involved in dog ownership .

We've seen the cruelties and brutality muslims inflict on other humans ,especially their own families .

Their religious fanaticism ,drilled into their heads every wakening moment since infancy ,feeds on self righteous superiority .The have no ability to comprehend respect,loyalty or shared joy with anything other than another muslim that they consider an equal .

They marry multiple women for goats,cash,power and reproduction ,not for love.They have children to prove virility ,to please allah,their community and to use as suicide bombers and human shields.

muslims that own dogs treat them brutally they ,use them to do work they are too lazy to do,use them to fight and gamble on and as guards.

They are emotionally incapable and too morally corrupt to love and share in the life of a loyal ,trustworthy pet.
It's actually a good thing the quran claims dogs are bad.No dog deserves to live in such squalid,cruel,emotionally bankrupt muslim societies .
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dog for hunting
written by someone , March 30, 2012
Dogs for hunting
Islam does not prohibit dogs used to hunt or keep animals pasture.

the saliva of dogs is prohibited from touching the body of a Muslim (licked by a dog), and he prayed with entities that are not sacred. Allah does not want this to happen, unless he is first cleaned by washing 7 x and one of them was washed with water the soil (mud)

Similarly, the prohibition to sexual relationships when a wife gets a period, then it is prohibited to have sex. These teachings also have been commanded by God to the prophet of the previous prophets before Prophet Muhammad was sent. These teachings 14 centuries ago, all Muslims are obedient to the teachings.

there is even a dog story in the Quran is in sura al-kahf


18:22. (Some) will say: They were three, their dog the fourth, and (some) say: Five, their dog the sixth, guessing at
random; and (some) say: Seven, and their dog the eighth. Say (O Muhammad): My Lord(Allah) is best aware of their number.
None knoweth them save a few. So contend not concerning them except with an outward contending, and ask not any
of them to pronounce concerning them.

18:22. Nanti (ada orang yang akan) mengatakan (jumlah mereka) adalah tiga orang yang keempat adalah anjingnya, dan (yang lain) mengatakan: "(Jumlah mereka) adalah lima orang yang keenam adalah anjingnya", sebagai terkaan terhadap barang yang gaib; dan (yang lain lagi) mengatakan: "(Jumlah mereka) tujuh orang, yang kedelapan adalah anjingnya". Katakanlah: "Tuhanku lebih mengetahui jumlah mereka; tidak ada orang yang mengetahui (bilangan) mereka kecuali sedikit". Karena itu janganlah kamu (Muhammad) bertengkar tentang hal mereka, kecuali pertengkaran lahir saja dan jangan kamu menanyakan tentang mereka (pemuda-pemuda itu) kepada seorang pun di antara mereka.
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@ Someone similarity between dogs and women
written by Infidel and More proud , March 30, 2012
@ Someone what are women doing in this writeup of yours?
Do you mean to say there is similarity between muslim women and dogs?

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Black Dogs
written by Gnostic , March 30, 2012
Isnt theere are hadith telling that black dogs are evil? And that pigs are evil too? Why dont all the muslims understand that animals are only animals which just behave according to their instincts? I mean, islam is not some kind of wisdom above the average, ifor me it means stupidity way below the average.
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Final warning to all humanity
written by Muhammad (P.B.U.H) , March 30, 2012
My followers are crazy (just like me)....... They only understand the language of violence. So just beat them to submission ! In my Quran, I have told my followers to Kill, Rape, Murder all non-Muslims. If you don't believe it, just read the Quran.

The new Shahada is:
La ilaha Allah
Zakir Naikur Rasulullah

Meaning:
There is no Allah.
Zakir Naik is the Final Prophet.
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gnostic
written by malem , March 30, 2012
there is no link between sports and getting diabetes, it is diet in moderation and a good islamic diet you will not get sick.
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re: above
written by Gnostic , March 30, 2012
You are telling nonsense. Every qualified doctor in the world will tell you that you are wrong. Sports is good against diabetes. And arabs are living according to islamic diet but still suffering from highest diabetes rates.
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Re: Muslim and Proud?
written by Gnostic , March 30, 2012
What are you proud for? That you dont have the intellectual capability to understand that trinity does not mean that there are three gods? Sorry, I am not insisting on the trinity but is there anything else muslims can be proud for? There is no god but blah, blah humba bumba! And how does this god look like? He supports wife beating, inbreeding and teaches that humans are sometimes made from clot and sometimes made from mud. And mountains are used to fix the world, haha! All this together is the worst kind of blasphemy I ve ever seen - provided that people do believe in god.
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Good Islamic diet et al
written by Infidel and More Proud , March 30, 2012
Oh I am surprised that there is bad Islamic diet for if there is good theres gotta be bad as well.

:)
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Gnostic
written by Muslim and proud , March 30, 2012
What are you proud for? That you dont have the intellectual capability to understand that trinity does not mean that there are three gods?


I have the capability to know that the the trinity DOES NOT mean 1 GOD.......
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written by bundypig , March 30, 2012


the wonders of sharia
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Re: M&P
written by Gnostic , March 31, 2012
No, you dont understand anything. Islam is only insisting on a subject that does not matter at all. It is important WHAT is teached and not how to count god! Islam does not teach anything useful at all, but the extreme monotheism is used in order to divide the world and to have a reason to fight against others. It is absolutely nonsense that the quran claims that there is no sin worse than to say that god has a son. Such things do not matter at all. What matters is to find rules that enable us to live peaceful together and to achieve progress. Islam cannot provide anything in order to achieve this. It can only repeatedly teach: There is no god but humba bumba bullah bullah!
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muslium and proud
written by vbv , March 31, 2012
Muhamad the immoiral, criminal and a fraud , who calls himself a 'prophet' hates dogs and wants his zombies to hate dogs because dogs are friendly, faithful, helpful, and above all grateful creatures and Mo feels that these good traits are detrimental to his criminal way of life like murder, backstabbing, plunder, loot, rape, pedophilia, any-time-anywhere-sex , massacre , hate-mongering and ingratitude. Moreover Arabia is a harsh desert region with hardly any greenery , and the only animals are camels and ibex , a few desert foxes living on the fringes of desert , a few reptiles, insects, scorpions ,centipedes and the like. Rain is practically absent . In this kind of environment you cannot expect any good morals or good behaviour or things like love and trust. That is why islam is a disease.
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muslim and proud
written by vbv , March 31, 2012
Polytheism has much better track in human history than monotheism. Firstly , it is tolerant and allows different perspectives and thinking. It has bred all the great civilisations around the world _ like ancient Egyptian, Sumerian, Babylonian, Assyrian, Persian, Chinese, Indian, Greecian, Roman, Celtic, Scandinavian, Mayan, Aztec, etc , you name it there are many who contribution to civilisation, knowledge, human progres and peaceful coexistence is well established. On the other hand you have monotheism ,epecially of the deserts of west Asia, that have contributed nothing worthwhile to human peace and progress , except wars fought in the name of the glory of that monotheistic megalomaniacal monster and causing untold bloodshed and misery to millions wherever these fanatics went with their brutal, barbaric and cruel cult.
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Trinity?
written by Gnostic , March 31, 2012
The idea that Jesus was the son of god might have been derived from greek thinking were such things were quite accepted. The fiction of the virgin birth was created in order to support the idea that jesus was created by the holy spirit.

Even in the quran it is accepted that the holy spirit came onto jesus as well as the virgin birth. However, here the quran misunderstands the bible and thinks that the bible is wrong. But in this case the quran should not support the virgin birth nor that the holy spirit came upon jesus. The author of the quran probably read the bible without understanding it. If we believe, just like the quran does, that jesus was only a human, we cannot accept the virgin birth anymore as well as the other things.
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written by mike smith , March 31, 2012
So Allah made the animals, and Allah made the angels who are above all animals, but somehow angels fear dogs created by Allah. Even worse, angels fear an inanimate picture of a dog created by a man who is created by allah. Surely Allah is the wisest to have made this so.
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Muslims loose penis
written by Dogs are the wests best friends , March 31, 2012
I read an article about women who murdered her husband and feed his remains, particularly his penis to dogs. It was a guarantee her husband would NEVER make it to heaven! Should be policy for terrorist remove their penis and feed it to a dog or a pig, you can still live without one but NEVER claim I read an article about women who murdered her husband and feed his remains, particularly his penis to dogs. It was a guarantee her husband would NEVER make it to heaven! Should be policy for terrorists: remove their penis and feed it to a dog or a pig, you can still live without one but NEVER claim the virgins!!!!!
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written by usyf , March 31, 2012
allah did not create dogs. They existed before him, that's why he hates them
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dogs are the west
written by someone , March 31, 2012
today there are stupid people like you this?
is this how you teach religion and leadeth you?
Your god is this how do you teach her ​​how noble morality? ,
is this how you teach citizens how to state how to respect fellow human beings fellow citizens of civilized countries.??
if you do not know about islam, learn, go to the holy book Quran, go to the video about Islam Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei Darussalam.
Your attitude like this is really embarrassing.
read my comment above and what is your comment?open your mind.Would you quality dialogue???
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Someone
written by fineliving56 , March 31, 2012
It looks like you are, the one who needs to open your eyes and read your Quran and understand what is written in it

Either your are blind, or you know and understand the filth in your Quran and you condone child marriages, killing and behead of Kufars and apostate , torture , beating wives , stacking wives , owning and sleeping with servants … and many … many more inhumane sick disgusting acts that animals wont do .

Go read and understand your Islam and then come back and state you opinion … not before .

People here have done that, and that is why they are disgusted by Islam …

ignorance of what is in Quran is not an excuse …. not any more .

Your post is embarrassing to you …
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badliving56
written by someone , March 31, 2012
your knowledge about Islam instead of the original sources of Islam. ok.you read bad news or hear news from wrong man. learn more and be better.
if you get sour grapes do not blame the owner of the vineyard. you know what I means?
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muslim and proud
written by vbv , April 01, 2012
Who are the real losers ? It is the muslims. That is why they are anti- progress, anti-knowledge and education, anti-peace and anti-civilisation ,because they are deficient in all these. That is why they hate the west, the east, the christians, the jews, the hindus, the budhists, etc. They want to pull down everyone to their low levels of existence under the banner of islam. Tell me which country has contributed anything to world peace and civilisation - only the non-islamic countries. Islamic countries wallow in backwardness, intolerance, ignorance, violence and distrust even amongst themselves. Rember Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait and Kuwaitis did not trust their fellow arabs to bail them out ,but went to the USA. Or the USA has military presense in all the arab countries, more prominently in Saudi Arabia. Why? Because they would trust a kaffir than their own momin. What an irony ! And you are talking about "losers". The real losers are muslim . They go to the west to escape the oppression in their own countries , then when they are settled or supported with doles by the countries in which they have taken residence , they start calling for "sharia" to be implemented - the very saharia that drove them to the west. They also brazenly claim the the west is actually a muslim land , just like they claim the biblical prophets/patriarchs and the inventions and discoveries of nonmuslims for themselves. This is sheer brigandry at its lowest level. And yet they call others 'losers' ,when the actual 'losers' are the muslims themselves, a very sore losers that they really are.
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Fading...
written by Amboyduke , April 01, 2012
Keep up the good work everyone...it seems the muslim bullshitters on here are fading...and as usual, they aren't answering anything with any credibility...

Hang in there, duh...!! ;-)

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vbv
written by someone , April 01, 2012
xixixi, You live in anxiety, shortness of breath, because their religion does not sell, they envy so it can not accept the truth. whereas the truth of Allah teachings. Islam proved to be true, even the western bank is now not shy in adopting the teachings of Islam Islamic Bank Islamic Bank established in their country. when it is submitted to the teachings of Allah prophet Muhammad that they despise, those who were throwing the teachings Allah are now even enforce the teachings of Allah to the world, as it has been made ​​a convert of the west that Islam in Indonesia is a master of Revelation, the presenter in a national private TV. to show the Islamic world.
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someone
written by vbv , April 01, 2012
Absolute gibberish. This is another fraud by muslims. What is islamic banking ? It is nothing but a system of shunning interest,especially compound interest , on lending and resorting to profitsharing. In no way is it original - it is just a copy of a system of financing called venture capital financing where the financier withdraws his stake on the basis of a minimum expected return after a fixed tenure. Moreover, this socalled 'islamic' banking has no base in islam, because the 7th century arab bedouins had no sophistication in business or finance. Or else why would Muhamad resort to plundering the meccan caravans for loot to sustain his bunch of brigands , and also undertake battles on unsuspecting tribes for loot and slaves. Wow ! Allah is so kind to Muhamad that he has shown him ways to plunder, indulge in slavery ,traffic in humans(women and children) and take protection money called jizzya from nonmuslims ( like goons and gangsters do ) from honest working people in order to avert any attack on them. This is the origin of socalled 'islamic' way of finance. So much for your bullshit about "islamic banking".
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Someone … who's Muslim head need to be pulled out of sand
written by fineliving56 , April 01, 2012
So … you say ...

I read … bad news about Islam?!

And ..

I hear … news from Bad men ?! …

Before writing to me … you should read few of my posts!! … if you had done that, you would known, I did not read or heard about Islam from anyone ….

I was born to it … my ancestors goes back to the founders of it [ Omar bin Al Kattab, the third most lethal Kalifah ] … I was force fed, the filth that is Islam from birth …. banged on head with the chants of Quran … day in , day out …

Went through h*lll and back ….raised in an Islamic house, full of islamic garbage like beating wives, child marriages and arranged marriages … and many other well known Islamic [ copied from old culture] practices that Only Muslims will think it is the righteous things to do.

You are mistaken to say … I hear or read ….

You should say

I was dealt,[still is ] the first hand of Islam … the first fist of Islam … the first punch of Islam ….

If you need for me to elaborate in order for you to understand … just say so and I will oblige .

remember … head is out of sand …
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someone
written by vbv , April 01, 2012
What financial expertise you are talking about ? Has islam produced any economist of the eminence of Adam Smith, David Ricardo, Malthus, J.S.Mill, Irving Fisher, Paul Samuelson, Milton Friedman, Kenneth Arrow,etc. All they have is mullahs and muftis ( just a bunch of islamic theologians) who only go about giving 'fatwas' about halal and haram totting a crazy irrational bullshit book of superstitions and fear called Quran, a few tomes of hearsay nonsense called 'Hadiths'. Have they given to the world financial wizard like Warren Buffet or the eminent finance scholars like Harry Markowitz, Wiiliam Sharpe, Robert Merton, Myron Scholes, Fisher Black,etc. Absolutely nothing but the garbage regurgitated from the two books of Quran and Hadiths ,totally unfit for todays world , or for that matter for any time of human civilisation. Both these are concoction of Muhamad and his companions and also his rabid followers . Hadiths were compiled by Bukhari , a central asian mullahs , two centuries after Muhamad's death, is nothing but plain concoction - there is no 'divine' hand that muslims claim for Quran,which is also concocted by Muhamad and his band of brigands. Finance and economics is outside the scope of these pedestrian zombies whose only source of income was robbery, slavery and slave-trade and ofcourse taking "jizzya" or goon-protection money from non-believers. And this can hardly be any basis for any civilised and intellectual exercise called Finance and Economics.
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Head out sand.
written by LFG , April 01, 2012
I would like you to elaborate my friend.
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someone
written by vbv , April 01, 2012
What 'islamic' finance, banking or economics you are talking of from a crazy book of superstitions consisting of a mere 6,600 verses supposed to be mouthed by Allah. Can you tell me who invented the concept of "money" ? Money as a concept is as old as human civilisation. It pre-existed your Allah and Quran by thousands of years in various nonmuslim civilisations where business and trade flourished and where they had a political system in place for governance. Take the ancient civilisations like in India, China, Egypt, Sumeria, Babylonia, Persia,Assyria, Greece, Rome, Celtics,etc. Islam was never there at all as it came thousands of years later in the 7th century AD. And Muhamad and his Allah could not conceive anything superior to this human commodity called money, gold, silver,copper, bullion,precious stones,etc as items having great value in exchange for goods and services. After all Muhamad's economy was based on brigandery and plunder , loot, rape and slavery. Just like muslims usurping jewish prophets into their fold and also usurping the knowledge and science from nonmuslims they conquered , they are trying to usurp the field of finance and economics with their blatant lies and obfuscations. It wont be a big surprise if future muslims claim all those great scholars in finance and economics for islam , just as they did for other things .
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Not hates, but puts the fit position
written by Isha , April 01, 2012
Islam does not hate dogs, but puts the fit position

From Abu Huraira that the Prophet Muhammad SAW said: Has forgiven the sins of a female prostitute for a while on the journey, came a dog near a well in a state of thirst. Then the woman took off his shoes, then tie it up with string to take water in the well to drink dog it. Finally the woman dies in his sins have been forgiven for the incident by Allah SWT.

The hated was the likeness of a dog.

"Had We willed We shall raise up (degrees) it with the verses, but he tends to the world and he wants (low), then the metaphor like a dog, if you drive them out extended his tongue and if you let it stick out its tongue (also). Thus the parable of those who reject Our Signs. So tells (to them) these stories so they think." (Al-Araf 7: 176).
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Re: above - Islamic errors concerning money
written by Gnostic , April 01, 2012
In the story of Joseph it is told that Joseph was sold for money and that the currency was dirham. Dirham is the arabic word for greek drachmas and still in use in some cou ntries. However, during the alleged lifetime of Joseph coins and the whole technology to produce them were absolutely unknown and dirhams even more since the story, fiction of course, happens in Egypt. It makes only sense if we understand that the story was written much later when Egypt belonged to the hellenistic world. But it is as anachronistic during the age of the pharaos. Or what would M&P say if someone teaches that Muhammad watched TV?

Another error concernig money has to do with interest which is forbidden according to most islamic scholars. Why? First it should be told that the greek philosophers already teached against interest and that it was equal to usury and this opinion can also be found in bible and quran. This was common sense that interest is equal to usury because many people fell into trouble after borrowing money from early bankers who took extremely high interest rates.

But today we have improved legislation and we know that all just depends on the legislation and the right regulation. With this in lace it does not make sense to say that all interest is hram because it allows both sides of a deal to improve their life. There is one donator who has the money but no idea how to use it and one who needs the money perhaps in order to create jobs but he has no access to it. In this case it can be clearly shown that the quranic law causes financial damage to both sides and that it prevents the society from developing.

And there is more to told. MOdern bankers laugh about islamic financing and they are right to do so because interest cannot be forbidden because they just exist, illegal or not. Why? Because any economist knows that there is a hidden calculated interest for all things in the world. If I spend 1 Million to build a hotel I would always calculate an interest rate in order to compare it to any other way I could spend it for. Perhaps I would get 4% from a bank but 10% if I built the hote with somewhat higher risks. The same if I build a plant or buy a machine or a car - any accounter knows that he wouid calculate an imaginery interest rate and than he calculates whether the deal makes sense or not.

Of course you dont need to build or to buy a hotel or a plant but you can also borrow it just like a car or a machine by leasing or rent. In such cases you do not only pay for wear and tear but also interest which is included in the price. Every businessman knows that, even muslimic ones who invented many euphemisms or other workarounds to make it look different from interest. Maybe they call it processing fees but in real there is no difference from interest even in so-called islamic banking.
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Gnostic
written by MAlem , April 01, 2012
You should read about things before you talk about them, otherwise your words will make a fool of you. There are many Islamic Financing methods that avoid paying the kind of interest on a traditional mortgage, banks love them becuase they still make money.

VBV - again you are a lost cause there are many many examples of great islamic Minds! What about Omar Khayam - His advancements made in Algebra or Sharif Al Tusi - His development of complex cubic equations or Allama Muhammad Iqbal Famous philosopher or Ibn al-Quff known as the father of embryology...there are many, you like many choose to avoid them in your rants
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malem/someone
written by vbv , April 02, 2012
Allama Muhamad Iqbal was a poet who espoused the partition of India on the basis of islam with deepseated hatred of hindus. He was hardly a philosopher with the great perspectives ( not parochial and narrow islamic perspective) and cannot be compared with Socrates, Aristotle, Shankaracharya, Madhavacharya, the authors of Upanishads, Bertrand Russel, , Kant,Hegel,Schopenhauer, etc. Iqbal was known only in Pakistan ,to a lesser extent in India ,while others are universally known and respected.
As for your claim of mathematics , it is just plagiarisation of the ancient Greeks, Hindus, Romans,Chinese, ancient Egyptians,etc. It is like claiming the prophets/patriarchs of the Bible for islam and dumping the Bible from where they were usurped.
Your claims are hollow and sham just like all the other claims made by muslims,who know very well that they have robbed the ideas from earlier great civilisations and misrepresented them as their own. Brigandry is the base nature of islam. Islam survives only by threats for such stupid thing like blasphemy and apostasy handing out barbaric, brutal punishments and death threats to keep their flock in control. And they cannot stand even any criticism without resorting to violence and mayhem. That is a sign of weakness and the shaky and immoral foundatyions on which this barbaric arab cult stands on.
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Re: Malem
written by Gnostic , April 02, 2012
Muslims are fooling themselves by suggesting that there is no interest involved. In ANY deal where money and time is involved there IS also interest, hidden or not. Nobody would provide a certain amount of money for a certain time without receiving any advantage from it. And if I rent a car or a house or make a mortgage deal then I automatically pay interest, hidden or not. Because I do not only pay for the usage and maintnance but also interest for the capital. If I buy a house for 1 million and somebody else wants to rent it then he not only has to pay for usage and maintenance but also the interest. Anything different would be stupid because the guy is virtually borrowing money from me. Got it? Understood?
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Interest: Addendum
written by Gnostic , April 02, 2012
You can have it even easier: If you buy a car then you pay all in cash at once and it is cheaper than paying it later or with monthly rates over a longer time. This is called interest and any dealer knows that and he would be stupid not taking interest. Perhaps he would call it different in muslim countries but it is the same and no customer would pay all at once if he can pay it later or with monthly rates without any interest. Or you can pay after one year or two years. Who will pay more and how will you call it? Processing fee? It does not take more work to write a contract for one or two years but the dealer would never accept the later payment without any compensation and this is interest! It also becomes clear that interest is not equal to usury but that this depends on the rate and whether the conditions are fair or not.
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gnostic
written by vbv , April 02, 2012
I cocur with you entirely. Muslims know nothing about time value of money , cost of capital or the meaning of economic rent. The reward for capital is profit for venture capitalist and interest for lender who is not involved n the management of the business. All these quran and hadiths toting mullahs can do is call 'haram and halal' based on the 7th century CE arab practices ,which has no relevance at all today in the global village of computers, information highways and technology driven economic activities. Madcaps and nuts like Zakir Naik claim that islam has the answer to evrything from pin to rocket science, from literature to philosophy , all about economics and finance ....etc. . Infact , Zakir Naik claims islam is a total package for everything , including peace and harmony . Hahahahahahahaha !!! That is the worst joke anyone can put up with. The reality is - islam is a total failure even in islamic society moored in the barbaric arabian practices of the 7th century AD ,which is claimed as Allah's Laws, that is bereft of human values ,no respect for freedom and human rights , a kind of totalitarian cult like communism polished with the sacrement of "religion". These muslim fanatics can see no further than the 7th century Arabia ,which is totted as the "gol;den era " of islam with their socalled "rightly guided" caliphs , all of whom were brutally assassinated. So much for islamic governance and economics and politics !
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re: vbv
written by Gnostic , April 02, 2012
Nice that you agree with me! In short: Time is money! This says it all. Of course there is so much talk these days about islamic financing and halal financing and so on but this does not change anything. Of course you can say that deals with pork, alcohol and drugs are haram (ask the Taliban!) as well as weapons and so on, but to say that interest is haram would be equal to "time is haram".

BTW, islamic law against interest is probably derived from jeish/christian law according to the bible. Jews can take interest from non-jews but not from jews. Thats why we got so many jewish bankers. In chrisitianity it was not before the 19th century when the pope allowed interest for christians.

While many think that interest banking is equal to usury it is one condition for industrialisation and the development of a middle class. while there are billions of oil dollars running around the world there are still not enough small and middle sized companies except some barbers, fast food shops and the like. Islamic non-financing is the reason for backwardness.

Of course it is possible to buy shares according to islamic law but of course this is much less flexible and people just want to become independant! Thats it and thats why modern financing with interest is so necessary!
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interest?
written by Salladin , April 02, 2012
In many islamic countries you pay more interest than anywhere else. In Morocco you pay 12% interest in case of a mortgage. Why? because they know it is bullsh*t. When i asked a university graduate who studied sharia, he told me that money is the key and where there is money, Allah is kind and generous and civilized and where there is no money, allah is nowhere to be find. There you would find injustice, hunger, criminal activity etc etc. He also told me that if i don't believe him, i have to look in the world and around me to notice it. Allah/God is with those who prosper and we know who or wich group is prospering. It's not muslims.
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Fineliving666
written by Muslim and proud , April 02, 2012
I was born to it … my ancestors goes back to the founders of it [ Omar bin Al Kattab, the third most lethal Kalifah ]


Lethal?

Fineliving666, you are such a twisted ignorant person. You need to be given a lesson in History........ABOUT YOUR (SO CALLED) OWN COUNTRY......

Once, ‘Umar bin Khattab R noticed a Jew begging in the streets of Madinha, he recited the verse: "Verily the charity is for beggars (Fuqara) and the poor (Masakin)..." (9:60)
He said ‘Fuqara’ refers to Muslims and ‘Masakin’ refers to the non-Muslim poor, and they are the people of the book. And so he fixed a regular monthly income for him. Similarly he allocated regular doles for the poor Syrian Christians while he was on a tour to Syria.

Read this carefully you bigot....

In Syria, some people usurped a piece of land that belonged to a Jew, and constructed a mosque on it. When ‘Umar bin Khattab R learnt about it he ordered it to be razed and returned it to its owner. According to a report published in 1933 by a Lebanese Christian professor, Shukri Qardhahi, this Jewish House is still existent.

Check the History and do some research before barking ignorantly.
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I noticed the more effective I am, the more you become harsher with with your nasty words
written by Fineliving56 , April 02, 2012
I do not deny Omar Was a strong man his Fairness was legendary according to all the stories … believe me I grow up hearing and reading about them … not only from books … but from family who trickled down his famous stories …

He was rich strong man and he donated all his money to help the poor …

But that does not make him less of a ruthless Killer … After I left Islam I stopped being proud of being a descended from him … He was fast with his Siyat and slashes and his extreme anger … the hadeeth is full of stories about his short fuse and his beating of people and ordering os stoning is legendary … people used to fear him more then loved him … My father was like that … It was actually hard for me to except the truth about him and let go of my infatuation with him … He married mutable wives as many as other Muslims … ordering the killing of people was as easy as breathing … and That is not a thing to be proud of…. sorry

I would have been proud to be from his blood if he has refused to kill other humen beings … as he was told and did on his own .

Killers of the past should not be heros to us just because they held a high rank …

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Interest
written by Kafirwala , April 02, 2012
Economists say that for an industrial activity, you need capital, labour, machinery and other infrastructural facilities like land, power, licence etc. For all of these factors you will have to pay or incur charges or expenses. For labour you have to pay wages, for things taken on rent you have to pay rental etc. The compensation you have to pay for capital is the interest. According to economists, capital is an integral part and so is interest in the whole scheme of things necessary for any industrial unit or enterprise or a business or any activity where money is to be borrowed. To negate the interest factor is foolishness. But of course, charging of interest at an exorbitant rate or in other words usury is a social evil and it needs to be condemned. In any period of time there were bad people in the society and a section of them practised usury to become instantly rich. Even today there are such people. It is the duty of the government to curb such people and see that usury is not practised anywhere in the country. In the charlatan prophet Mo's time also usury was practised by some unscrupulous people and what Mo did was abolish the whole institution of interest! Like that, on the grounds some idols were worshiped by some people, he abolished the art of sculpture, painting, drawing etc. That kind of a lunatic he was! Mo's deed was like when you have some rats in your house and you want to kill them, you are destroying the whole house! If his action was inspired by Allah (definitely it was!), just imagine how thoughtless and intellectually bankrupt this Allah is. It is strange that Mo's followers living in today's age too do not see these obvious things and eulogise Mo on account of his foolish acts. Is a further proof needed for their intellectual bankruptcy as well?
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Speaking of great Islamic? minds
written by Yibel , April 03, 2012
Allama Muhammad Iqbal came from a family of HINDU CONVERTS to Islam. He often mentioned and reminisced about his Kashmiri Pandit BRAHMIN LINEAGE in his writings and he wrote most of his poetry in Persian.

And Ibn al-Quff (Abu al-Faraj ibn Muwaffaq al-Din Ya'qub ibn Ishaq) was born in 1233CE/630AH in Karak (modern-day Jordan), where his father was a learned court official. He was a Malekite CHRISTIAN who wrote a number of treatises,
including an important treatise on surgery and a popular commentary on the Aphorisms of Hippocrates. He was NOT, however, the father of embryology.

And as for Omar Khayam (Ghiyath al-Din Abu'l-Fath 'Umar ibn Ibrahim Al-Nishapuri al-Khayyami) He was a PERSIAN who wrote most of his stuff in Persian/Farsi (khayyami, lit. in Farsi is "tent-maker"). His works on Algebra and astronomy were mostly translations of Sanskrit works stolen from India by the Muslims and translations of the Greek works of Euclid. (The case of power 2 is explicitly stated in Euclid's elements and the case of at most power 3 had been established by Indian mathematicians.)

Omar Khayam's views on religion:

How much more of the mosque, of prayer and fasting?
Better go drunk and begging round the taverns.
Khayyam, drink wine, for soon this clay of yours
Will make a cup, bowl, one day a jar.

When once you hear the roses are in bloom,
Then is the time, my love, to pour the wine;
Houris and palaces and Heaven and Hell-
These are but fairy-tales, forget them all.

Needless to say, Omar was not well thought of by the orthodox Muslim establishment.
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finelivings
written by Salladin , April 03, 2012
Umar is hated by the shi'tes because he was a ruthless killer according to them. Uthman and Umar are being spit on by shi'ites. Again, it's all in the eyes of the beholder.
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...
written by The Truth Sucks , April 03, 2012
I have a dog and his name is Mohamed. and his favorite treat is BACON. and you know what? Muhammad LOVES bacon!
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@The Truth Sucks
written by bundypig , April 03, 2012
I'll bet he craps masterpieces called allah huh?

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