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Stoning to Death for Adultery in Islam: The Missing Stoning Verse of the Quran Eaten up by a Goat

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somalia-stoning-adultererCould Prophet Muhammad's wife Aisha have burnt the stoning-of-adulterers verse of the Quran -- the only verse Muhammad had kept in his wives' custody, and was supposedly lost because of its being eaten up by a goat -- hoping to relieve the future generation of Muslim women from Islam's extreme injustice against them?

Stoning Adulterers to Death in Islam

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Stoning to death for adultery has been a historical tradition in Islam that goes to the days of Islam's birth and continues to this day in some Muslim countries, although many Muslim countries have abandoned this barbaric form of punishments due to Western secular-democratic influence. Stoning-to-death for adultery is a legal form of punishment in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Muslim-dominated northern Nigeria, Taleban-rule Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the Islamists-controlled region of Somalia. Indonesia's Aceh province legalized stoning to death of adulterers in 2009.

In Sharia-ruled Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran, stoning being a form of legal punishment, offenders are killed by stoning on a regular basis, but those cases get little media attention to the outside world. Stoning adulterers and/or fornicators to death or orders to do so have also been reported in countries like the Sudan, Turkey, Nigeria, and Pakistan, perpetrated extra-judicially upon fatwa by local imams and village courts. In 1997, 23 Islamic clerics in Bangladesh demanded that former president Hussain Muhammad Ershad and his mistress of 14 years, Mrs Mosharraf, be publicly stoned to death for adultery.

Prophet Muhammad's dealing with adultery

The Quran that we have has no verse sanctioning stoning of adulterers to death. Yet, it has been a deeply-rooted tradition in Islamic societies right from the beginning of Islam. The tradition originated from Prophet Muhammad's dealing with adulterers in his lifetime. There are multiple authentic hadiths (deeds and sayings of Prophet Muhammad, who, in Islam, is considered the most ideal human being of all time), which give vivid accounts of how Prophet Muhammad had ordered stoning of adulterers to death on multiple occasions, and how they were carried out. Let us read a few such hadiths:

Sahih Bukhari 4.56.829:

Narrated Abdullah bin Umar: The Jews came to Allah's Apostle and told him that a man and a woman from amongst them had committed illegal sexual intercourse. Allah's Apostle said to them, "What do you find in the Torah (old Testament) about the legal punishment of Ar-Rajm (stoning)?" They replied, "(But) we announce their crime and lash them." Abdullah bin Salam said, "You are telling a lie; Torah contains the order of Rajm." They brought and opened the Torah and one of them solaced his hand on the Verse of Rajm and read the verses preceding and following it. Abdullah bin Salam said to him, "Lift your hand." When he lifted his hand, the Verse of Rajm was written there. They said, "Muhammad has told the truth; the Torah has the Verse of Rajm. The Prophet then gave the order that both of them should be stoned to death. (Abdullah bin Umar said, "I saw the man leaning over the woman to shelter her from the stones.")

Sahih Muslim 17.4207:

Islamic stoning of adulterers
Somalia adulterer readied for stoning to death
Somalia adulterer stoned to death

Imran b. Husain reported that a woman from Juhaina came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and she had become pregnant because of adultery. She said: Allah's Apostle, I have done something for which (prescribed punishment) must be imposed upon me, so impose that. Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) called her master and said: Treat her well, and when she delivers bring her to me. He did accordingly. Then Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) pronounced judgment about her and her clothes were tied around her and then he commanded and she was stoned to death.

Sahih Bukhari 7.63.196:

Narrated Abu Huraira: A man from Bani Aslam came to Allah's Apostle while he was in the mosque and called (the Prophet) saying, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse." On that the Prophet turned his face from him to the other side, whereupon the man moved to the side towards which the Prophet had turned his face, and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse." The Prophet turned his face (from him) to the other side whereupon the man moved to the side towards which the Prophet had turned his face, and repeated his statement. The Prophet turned his face (from him) to the other side again. The man moved again (and repeated his statement) for the fourth time. So when the man had given witness four times against himself, the Prophet called him and said, "Are you insane?" He replied, "No." The Prophet then said (to his companions), "Go and stone him to death." The man was a married one. Jabir bin 'Abdullah Al-Ansari said: I was one of those who stoned him. We stoned him at the Musalla ('Id praying place) in Medina. When the stones hit him with their sharp edges, he fled, but we caught him at Al-Harra and stoned him till he died.

Sahih Muslim 17.4209:

Abu Huraira and Zaid b Khalid al-Juhani reported: Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Say. He said: My son was a servant in the house of this person and he committed adultery with his wife. I was informed that my son deserved stoning to death (as punishment for this offence). I gave one hundred goats and a slave girl as ransom for this. I asked the scholars (if this could serve as expiation for this offence). They informed me that my son deserved one hundred lashes and exile for one year and this woman deserved stoning (as she was married). Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace he upon him) said: By Him in Whose Hand is my life. I will decide between you according to the Book of Allah. The slave-girl and the goats should be given back, and your son is to be punished with one hundred lashes and exile for one year. And, O Unais (b. Zuhaq al-Aslami), go to this woman in the morning, and if she makes a confession, then stone her. He (the narrator) said: He went to her in the morning and she made a confession. And Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) made pronouncement about her and she was stoned to death.

Sahih Muslim 17.4201:

Ibn Abbas reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said to Ma'iz b. Malik: Is it true what has reached me about you? He said: What has reached you about me? He said: It has reached me that you have committed (adultery) with the slave-girl of so and so? He said: Yes. He (the narrator) said: He testified four times. He (the Holy Prophet) then made pronouncement about him and he was stoned (to death).

There are more hadiths with accounts of stoning adulterers to death upon order from the Prophet of Islam. About the first hadith describing stoning of an adulterous Jewish couple, the following verses from the Jewish Torah (Old Testament), sanctioning the stoning-death punishment for adultery, which the Jewish scholars were trying to hide from Muhammad:

  1. "If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her" (Deuteronomy 22:22)
  2. "Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbor's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you." (Deuteronomy 22:24)

What is worth noting about this hadith is that, at that time, the Jews had evidently abandoned this barbaric form of punishment, although prescribed by their sacred scriptures. And, Prophet Muhammad, who claimed to have come to establish the true religion of the Judaio-Christian faiths, just re-established Allah's original justice, however barbaric and cruel it may be. Stoning adulterers to death, thus, evidently stands on a firm Islamic ground, because Prophet Muhammad's actions and sayings form the template for emulation and conducting of Muslim societies of all times, because Allah himself has repeatedly commanded Muslims in the Quran to follow Allah [Quran] and His apostle [Muhammad] (see Quran 3:32; 4:13,59,69; 5:92; 8:1,20,46; 9:71; 24:47,51–52,54,56; 33:33; 47:33; 49:14; 58:13; 64:12).

Muslim denial of Islam's sanction of stoning to death for adultery

Despite the practice of stoning adulterers to death throughout Islam's history, many well-educated Muslims, often living in the West, would argue that stoning-to-death for adultery is alien to Islam. They claim, "There nothing is said about stoning in Quran". As said above, the Quran that we have indeed does not have a verse, sanctioning stoning to death of adulterers, although it contain verses that mention barbaric methods of punishments such as stoning, cutting off hands and legs from opposite sides, crucifixion etc. for various crimes (5:33,38) as legal forms of criminal punishments. These ultra-modern new breed of Quran-only Muslims, defying Allah's repeated commands to follow the Muhammad with equal importance with the Quran, would claim that the Quran is the only text that wholly form the entire foundation of Islam. So, despite multiple incidents of Prophet Muhammad's punishing adulterers with stoning to death as described in the hadith, they deny the existence of stoning-to-death punishment for adulterers, because, to them, hadiths are false or have no bearing on Islam.

The Quran’s prescription for punishing adulterers: Regarding punishing those, who engage in illegal (extra-marital) sexual indulgences, the Quran says (24:2):

The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.

This verse commands punishing adulterers and fornicators with 100 lashes. So, those Muslims will proudly claim that punishment for adultery in Islam is lashing the offenders 100 times, not stoning to death. Interestingly, if you ask them: Is it right to lash adulterers and fornicators 100 times, they – at least the great majority of them – will say "No” . They will certainly say 'no' to lashing fornicators. That's what I have found out from discussion with a few Muslim friends.

Interesting! They themselves claim that lashing adulterers and fornicators 100 times is the divinely-sanctioned punishment in Islam; at the same time, they will say that it is "not appropriate". They not only self-contradict, but also tend to play Boss over Allah. It should be noted that in a good few cases of lashings, the victims collapse to death.

Another issue that must be considered about this verse is: It sanctions the same punishment for fornicators (i.e. sex between "unmarried" men and women) and adulterers (i.e. illegal sex between "married" men and women). And if you ask those educated moderate Muslims: Do young unmarried lovers (fornicators) and married men and women (adulterers) deserve the same punishment for engagement in illegal sexual act, they will certainly disagree, as will every community of people in the world. So again, they kind of take pride in Allah's sanctioned punishment for illegal sexual acts in verse 24:2, and immediately disagree with Allah's judgment in this verse of giving the same punishment to two kinds of offenders – namely fornicators and adulterers.

The verse of stoning (ar-Rajm) that was eaten up by a goat

No sane person, whether Muslim or non-Muslim, would agree that fornicators and adulterers deserve the same punishment. In the West today, fornicators are not even deemed offenders of any sort; instead, consensual sexual indulgence between unmarried adult couples are seen as normal and even desirable, and it is deemed as their human rights. But adulterers are generally condemned or disapproved of. If they are to be punished at all, then adulterers would deserve harsher punishments than the fornicators. And those educated moderate Muslims, who claim that punishment for adultery in Islam is prescribed in verse 24:2, will be the first amongst Muslims to disagree that fornicators and adulterers should be given the same punishment. Yet, that's what verse 24:2 apparently recommends.

So the question arises:

  1. Could Allah be so glaringly stupid to prescribe the same punishment for these two sets of offences – fornication and adultery – that have very different implications?
  2. Could Allah be more irrational than those educated moderate Muslims as well as infidels of the world, who rightly think that adulterers deserve harsher punishment or disapproval than fornicators?

Those educated moderate Muslims will be the firsts to answer 'no' to these questions.

And they are just right. Allah, in actuality, couldn't and didn't prescribe the same punishment for fornicators and adulterers. According to authentic Islamic sources, Allah had sanctioned different punishment for adulterers in a separate verse, called verse of ar-Rajm (stoning), but it was somehow lost before the Quran was compiled under Caliph Abu Bakr.

According to authentic hadith compiler Ibn Majah, Allah had revealed a verse on stoning adulterers to death, which the Prophet had kept under his child-wife Aisha's care, but due to her carelessness, it was eaten up by a goat. Here's the hadith:

Sunan Ibn Majah, Hadith 1944:

Reported Aisha (RA): 'the verse of stoning and of suckling an adult ten times was revealed, and they were (written) on a paper and kept under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) expired and we were occupied by his death, a goat entered and ate away the paper.' (عن عائشة قالت لقد نزلت آية الرجم ورضاعة الكبير عشرا ولقد كان في صحيفة تحت سريري فلما مات رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وتشاغلنا بموته دخل داجن فأكلها)

Prophet Muhammad's first original biographer Ibn Ishaq also mentions about the same verse (The Life of Muhammad, Karachi, p. 684):

"God sent Muhammad, and sent down the scripture to him. Part of what he sent down was the passage on stoning. Umar says, "We read it, we were taught it, and we heeded it. The apostle Muhammad stoned, and we stoned after him."

Sahih Bukhari 8.817, regarding the revelation of the stoning verse for adultery, records:

…In the meantime, Umar sat on the pulpit and when the callmakers for the prayer had finished their call, Umar stood up, and having glorified and praised Allah as He deserved, he said, "Now then, I am going to tell you something which (Allah) has written for me to say. I do not know; perhaps it portends my death, so whoever understands and remembers it, must narrate it to the others wherever his mount takes him, but if somebody is afraid that he does not understand it, then it is unlawful for him to tell lies about me. Allah sent Muhammad with the Truth and revealed the Holy Book to him, and among what Allah revealed, was the Verse of the Rajam the stoning of married person (male & female)… I am afraid that after a long time has passed, somebody will say, 'By Allah, we do not find the Verse of the Rajam in Allah's Book,' and thus they will go astray by leaving an obligation which Allah has revealed. And the punishment of the Rajam is to be inflicted to any married person (male & female), who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if the required evidence is available or there is conception or confession. And then we used to recite among the Verses in Allah's Book: 'O people! Do not claim to be the offspring of other than your fathers, as it is disbelief (unthankfulness) on your part that you claim to be the offspring of other than your real father'…

Sahih Muslim 17:4194 also talks about revelation of the verse for stoning adulterers that was lost:

Abdullah b. Abbas reported that Umar b. Khattab sat on the pulpit of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: Verily Allah sent Muhammad (may peace be upon him) with truth and He sent down the Book upon him, and the verse of stoning was included in what was sent down to him. We recited it, retained it in our memory and understood it. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) awarded the punishment of stoning to death (to the married adulterer and adulteress) and, after him, we also awarded the punishment of stoning, I am afraid that with the lapse of time, the people (may forget it) and may say: We do not find the punishment of stoning in the Book of Allah, and thus go astray by abandoning this duty prescribed by Allah. Stoning is a duty laid down in Allah's Book for married men and women who commit adultery when proof is established, or it there is pregnancy, or a confession.

Stoning for adultery is Islamic

There is clear evidence that Allah had revealed a verse, which dealt exclusively with adultery, but it was lost – thanks, apparently, to its being eaten up by a goat – before Caliph Abu Bakr had called for submitting all the recorded verses for compilation into a book, the Quran. Since fornicators and adulterers do not deserve the same punishment, to which all sane Muslims would agree, we can conclude that verse 24:2 was intended to deal only with fornicators, sanctioning 100 lashes to them. And even if we disregard the eaten-up stoning verse, the Quran repeatedly commands that Muslims must follow Allah (i.e. Quran) and His apostle (i.e. Muhammad) with equal importance, and there are multiple incidents vividly describing how Prophet Muhammad had order stoning adulterers to death and how those stonings were carried out. So, stoning-to-death punishment for adulterers still constitutes an Islamic punishment, as per very recommendation of the Quran.

If Muslims would still claim that Islam does not recommend stoning-to-death punishment for adulterers, that will amount to their playing "Boss" over "Allah". And their denial would also clearly say that Allah Is An Idiot, because, in their own claim, Allah prescribed the same punishment for both fornicators and adulterers – which they themselves find inappropriate and unjust.

Stoning-for-adultery verse in Aisha’s custody: Muhammad's evil mind?

Prophet Muhammad was not used to keeping his verses in the custody of his wives or any women. Generally, he used to have them written down and memorized by some of his male disciples. Interestingly, to my knowledge, the verse of stoning for adultery seems to be the only verse that was kept in the custody of a woman, namely his favorite wife Aisha. There is a good deal of justification in assuming that possible adultery by one of his wives was the scariest thing for him, especially when his harem was filled with about a dozen young and beautiful wives in his very old days. And to keep his wives terrorized, should they commit adultery, he kept the stoning-for-adultery verse with his wives as a constant reminder to them of the horrors of stoning death against such temptation. How evil a mind this merciful apostle of Allah had!

Eaten up by goat or Aisha's trickery?

Aisha, although very young, had pretty sharp mind, as it appears. Having been the most favorite wife and closest to Muhammad's inner self, she used see through many of Muhammad's trickery. For example, when Muhammad wanted to marry Zainab, when his harem was filled with four wives, the maximum number a Muslim could have as per the earlier revealed verse 4:3, there was objection about the legality of his marrying Zainab as the fifth wife. And Muhammad quickly had verses revealed from Allah, giving only Muhammad the right to marry boundless number of women, and to divorce off old wives and take in new ones, as he wished:

Quran 33.50:

O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Quran 33.51:

You may put off whom you please of them, and you may take to you whom you please, and whom you desire of those whom you had separated provisionally; no blame attaches to you; this is most proper…

When Muhammad brought those verses, quick-witted Aisha's reaction to Muhammad was: "It seems to me that your Lord hastens to satisfy your desire," as recorded in the following hadiths:

Sahih Al-Bukhari 6.60.311:

Narrated Aisha: I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah's Apostle and I used to say, "Can a lady give herself (to a man)?" But when Allah revealed: "You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily)." (Quran 33.51) I said (to the Prophet), "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires."

Sahih Muslim 8.3453:

Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: I felt jealous of the women who offered themselves to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: Then when Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, revealed this: "You may defer any one of them you wish, and take to yourself any you wish; and if you desire any you have set aside (no sin is chargeable to you)" (Quran 33.51), I (Aisha) said: It seems to me that your Lord hastens to satisfy your desire.

So, when Muhammad kept only the verse of stoning adulterers to death in Aisha's custody, Aisha, intelligent as she was, had no difficulty in seeing through why Muhammad kept only this verse with his wives.

And why it got lost, supposedly eaten up by a goat, a lame excuse?

Aisha certainly didn't like that her husband, a dying old man, could have a dozen young wives and many more had he wished so, on top his female captives to have sex with, while he would terrorize his wives with this verses. She saw through the extreme injustice in Muhammad's theology toward women. She probably sought the same doesn’t happen to future generations of women. In another instance, Aisha had bemoaned of the sufferings of Muslim women (Bukhari 7:72:715):

…Aisha said, 'I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women…'

So, the stoning-the-adulterers-to-death verse disappeared, probably into ashes. And goat-ate-up-the-verse excuse was forged.

The adultery verses disappeared from the Quran as Aisha had probably wished. Nonetheless, her benevolent trick didn’t succeed in relieving the Muslim women's sufferings as she had wished until today, due to recording the hadiths of Muhammad's stoning of adulterers. But the rising new generation of Quran-only Muslims offer hope that Aisha's sinful trick against Muhammad and His Allah may eventually succeed, for the good of humanity, of course.

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written by Salladin , April 20, 2012
The Missing Stoning Verse of the Quran Eaten up by a Goat.

The goat was actually Iblees or Dajjal or even a jew but not an ordinary goat!
what happened before islam came ??
written by HARKAT UL JIHAD EI KAFIROON , April 20, 2012

when man walked the plains of africa there was no marriage sex was open.no judeo-xtian-jihadi deity created man,man is evolved by nature.thus there is no need for such punishment.

i read koran no where it says that adam married eve/hava/whatever.does it mean all muslims r illegitimate ??

or shud i say illegitimate itself is an offensive word ?? we r all children of the only 1 true god=mother nature.

islam is stupid like xtianity/judaism.they stopped being stupid when will islam be ?? i think its not possible,the lure for 72 virgins and wine in imaginary jannat is too great for muslim men.
Monkeys are prophets too
written by AbuTaleb , April 20, 2012
If Allah really manages to preserve Quran from the goat and there is no stoning-for-adultery verse, then from where did Muhammad and his followers learn to stone people? From monkeys.

Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 188:

Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun:

During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them.

So monkeys are prophets too, or probably angels who gives revelation like Jibreel.

Or, another possibility, monkeys are descendants of the Jews who were converted into monkeys as what the Islamic false god told us. No wonder the muslims are following what those monkeys in Saudi did.

After medicine from camel urine and wing of fly, now we have law from monkeys. What a religion. LOL
It boils down to...
written by Kaser , April 20, 2012
... A religion that kept (and keeps) its less educated constituents in the dark ages.

If it's in the Koran, it's good for them. Screw "morals" - how can one argue with the word of god !!!

Not until education reaches these retards will we see a decrease in these barbaric acts. Look at acid attacks, excisions, and other savage acts...

When will Western Muslims ask for the right to stone their adulterers??? Right... not right now, one thing at a time please, first things first...
One Question
written by Hello , April 20, 2012
not this stoneing thing is taken from torah ! ... and Muhammad practiced by himself the brutal and cruel punishment of stoning and legitimised it in Islam ?
The Goat
written by balam , April 21, 2012
The goat was actually Ayesha.She was accused of having committed adultry with the man when she conveniently stayed behind out of jealousy as Mohammad had rode away with another flame.When people started talking ,Mohammad asked her to admit the adultry but she refused and because of that VERSE in her possession she could have been stoned to death.She left Mohammad and went back to her father's house.After some time Mohammad went to reconcile at her father's house where he got his grand mal epileptic fit.When he came round he praclaimed that he had the REVELATION that four Muslim men were required as witness to accuse somebody of adultry.That saved the skin of an adultrous by a crafty prophet of fake allah.
written by vbv , April 21, 2012
Stoning someone to death because of 'adultery' was taken from the Old Testament. Theislamic system of justice "eye for an eye" and "tooth for a tooth" comes from the Bible. There is no need to malign the pagan arabs who were far less barbaric than thenuts and zombies that have emerged from this savage, barbaric cult of islam , inspired by the Old Testament.The old testament talks of the jews as the chosen people of "god" , which islam claims for the arabs ever sincwe Muhamad invented islam .
Jews and stoning
written by 1proudkaffur4life , April 21, 2012
And as the author noted, Jews in this instance seemed to have tried to get around it by "obscuring" the text, placing a hand over it.
Using a time line, OT -Jesus -Mohammad we can see this line of development:

OT "stoning to death"
Jesus "whoever is without sin, throw the first..."
Mohammad "stone to death"

So while with Jesus one can seen a greater emphasis on "forgiveness" and LET them LIVE with "sin no more, and change the way" this command (forgiveness) by allah was reversed once more. After all allah is the source (at least this is what Mohammad let his stoned-gawd allah claim) of all three religions.

Of course in Islam the "religion" given to man by the stoned-gawd aallaah can be abrogated by this demented deity whenever he pleases, so I sure hope one day in not so distant future the *whole* Koraan will be abrogated.... if honest Muslims would rise to the task..

As to the "descendants" of monkeys. How could these become humans once they were turned into animals (monkeys and pigs). Now this would have been a "miracle" even recored in Jewish sources....

written by vbv , April 21, 2012
how can any civilised human insult , denigrate animals ? That too in the 21st century , knowing the interdependence of all animals in the delicate balance of nature ? Only humans have the arrogance to treat their fellow creatures on this planet with disdain and an air of superiority. Only human wantonly kill other animals "for game or sport" , only humans take macho pleasure in gunning down animals, making them bweasts of burdens , dumb pets , pliant slaves and what not. Only humans are capable of inventing a wicked evil creature called "god / yahweh/allah" etc to butcher animals for some ritual sacrifice , to exploit and subjugate fellow humans literally putting the fear of god in them. Usingg animals in derogatory terms is unbecoming of any civilised human ,who is just another species evolved from apes and humanoids. Only religions,godmen, priests ,clergy etc have the arrogance to denigrate and insult fellow creatures of this planet who have as much stake here as we do; and we cannot survive for a day without all the flora and fauna ,as well as the water and sea creatures , while all of them can definitely do without us.
written by Salladin , April 21, 2012
People use God/Allah etc. to be arrogant and not be responcible for their actions. The God of abraham seemes to love bloodsacrifice!
Jews turning away from stoning at time of Jesus
written by Gerry Dorrian , April 21, 2012
By the time of Jesus Jews were starting to turn away from stoning - this is the point of the story of "the woman caught in adultery": would Jesus have her stoned, as was the Law, or would he seek to apply the new understanding of our relationships to each other?
how right you are
written by Yibel , April 21, 2012
written by Kaser , April 20, 2012
"... A religion that kept (and keeps) its less educated constituents in the dark ages."

An act of Islamic piety involves destroying "misguided" books. As the caliph Umar is reported to have said when ordering the library of Alexandria to be burned: "If the books agree with the Qur'an, they are superfluous. If they disagree with it, they are heretical."

Therefore, the 7 earths created by Allah are flat, laid out like carpets one on top of the other (there is a recent fatwa declaring that it is blasphemy to deny this "fact"); there are 7 heavens (actually skies) also stacked one on top of the other; mountains were thrown down onto the surface of the earth to stablize it so it would not sway (rock like a boat); the sky is a solid canopy (without visible cracks) raised up overhead and held up with invisible pillars; if Allah wants he will cause the sky to come crashing down on us in big chunks; Allah carries the birds so they can fly; Allah causes winds; Allah causes the sun to set in a pool of muddy water; the sun goes to hide under Allah's mighty throne beyond the seven skies at night and then rises by Allah's command on a people in the east who live too close to the place where the sun rises so they get burnt.

See!! We don't need any of that silly 'ol learnin' stuff. All the learnin' we need is in the CoooRain. Boko haram!!!
Adultery privilege for Muhammad
written by AbuTaleb , April 21, 2012
YUSUFALI: O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and ANY BELIEVING WOMAN WHO DEDICATES HER SOUL TO THE PROPHET IF THE PROPHET WISHES TO WED HER;- THIS ONLY FOR THEE, AND NOT FOR THE BELIEVERS (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Muhammad is allowed to do adultery in 33:50. Although the translations may say something else, by logic with should have realized that the things listed in 33:50 is only for Muhammad. So "wedding a believing woman" privilege for Muhammad must mean he can bang the woman right away without her becoming his wife through the ijab qabul process, if he has to do the procedure before, then it is not his privilege and the false god of Islam is lying in this verse.

(Ijab qabul is the marriage procedure where the bride-to-be says "I give myself to X" and then X says "I accept" in front of an official and some witness(es). So the procedure certify that the woman belongs to her husband because she has been bought by the dowry.)

We should stone Muhammad and Allah because of 33:50, right?
written by The Fog Horn , April 21, 2012
Stoning is in the Old Testament and was used by the ancient Hebrews. It is Judaism AND Islam you need to attack.
To Fog Horn
written by Archpagan , April 22, 2012
Islam is only a caricature of Judaism, we all know, but only Muslims insist on following that archaic mode of punishment.
Reply to The Fog Horn
written by Verk , April 22, 2012
Why attack Judasim? I don't see many stonings taking place in Israel.
Bad caricature
written by Abby , April 22, 2012
Islam law is definitely a caricature of Judaism. A grotesque one. Although stoning is mentioned in the Bible, a Jewish death penalty is almost impossible to enforce in practice. Any death penalty crime requires two witness to the actual act. No heresay or circumstantial evidence allowed. Also, there has to be testiony of the witneses presence at the scene of the crime. Also, a witness was required to warn the offender of the punishment in order to try to get them to stop. Confessiona aren't even allowed so that no one will be forced to confess untruthfully. It is said that a Jewish court that delivered a death penalty once in 70 years was considered a "bloody court". Perjury was punished by the perjurer receiving the same punishent as his/her intended victm and not worth the risk. Death penalty cases in Judaism can only be tried by a Sanhedrin, the "Supreme Court" of Jewish Law, which cannot exist when the majority of Jews are in exile.

Also adultery in Judaism only applies if the woman is married. If she is single, it is just considered fornication. but not adultery. No death penalty. That's straight from the Bible. Hebrew is a pretty specific language. "Adultery" is a different word from "fornication" . Also being raped is not considered adultery. If a woman is raped and could not get help,then "It is as if a man seizes another in a field". She is not held liable. He is.

There's also a lot of talk about the Bible saying that a rape victim has to marry her attacker. Not quite. In practice he is required to pay a bride price to her family (an exhorbitant amount) whether or not she wants to marry but is required to make the offer. A woman cannot be forced into marriage. She has to be present and willingly accept a marriage contact. If she does choose to marry him (and it is her choice), he is never allowed to initaite a divorce from her, She still retains the right to go to a court and request one from him if he is in any way abusive or otherwise violates his obligations to her. Last year, a Rabbinic court in Israel ordered a man to give his wife a religious divorce at her request because he demanded intimate relations several times a day. What would a Shariah court have said? Something about the angels cursing her all night?

Contrast this with the way that Islam is applied. A woman who is accused needs FOUR witness so that she IS'NT held liable. Circumstantial evidence IS allowed. Rape victims ARE held liable for being raped. Confesseions ARE allowed. Women CAN be forced into marriage. Marital rape is grounds for divorce. It turns what the Bible says and Jewish Oral Law (The way that Biblical law is practically applied) on their head.
Mohammed only took the bits and pieces of Judaism which suited him. Had he not only read what he wanted to, he would have seen that the two involved could not have been killed, just like the Jews had told Mohammad.

written by Abby , April 22, 2012
I mean that Marital rape is not grounds for divorce in Islam
written by Abc , April 22, 2012
What book have you read? Chatting nonsense!
" A woman who is accused needs FOUR witness so that she IS'NT held liable"
That's a lie
"Rape victims ARE held liable for being raped"
Another lie
"Women CAN be forced into marriage."
Another lie
"Marital rape is not grounds for divorce in Islam"
Another lie!
There is no lie
written by Fineliving56 , April 22, 2012
All is true

and the proofs is all over the Islam world ….

women are accused and disposed off after a rape

women ARE forced in to marriages every day in Islamic countries

Rape in Marriages is laughed at and brushed as '' men will be men " … or '' Muslim women love rough sex in marriage "' …. and NO ONE DOES ANYTHING … NO MOTHERS … NO FATHERS ,,, NO BROTHERS …

Muslim women are told to go back home and obey her husband and by doing that it will soften him NOT TO RAPE HER

RZQ … does not know what the H##l he is talking about … It look like he a young Muslim man who is not exposed to real Islam as it implemented actually in house holds …

Does … head in sand … rings a bell ??
written by Proud Infidel , April 22, 2012
None of them are a lie. You can read news stories about these exact things on a daily basis. Another set of truths that expose Islam for what it really is that Abc doesn't like. Must be lies!
written by Proud Infidel , April 22, 2012
Well, numeorus religions in the far distant past used barbaric forms of punishment. But trying to compare a religion that hasn't used the methods since biblical times to Islam who STILL uses them is nothing more than a ruse to make Islam look better than it is. FAIL.
written by Al Habib , April 22, 2012
All infidels to die as written...
written by Abc , April 22, 2012
Im underwhelmed by your evidence and disgusted by your lies!
Just because your daddy was a fecal freak it doesn't make the rest of the male population to be like that!
Vile woman!
Religion of evil
written by xman , April 22, 2012
I think Islam is not a religion. Mohomad created it for his own benefits. In current situation islamization is a big problem to the world. In my opinion is we have to kill all the Muslims for maintain peace and harmony in this world. In everyday there is at-least one terrorist attract and they mention that they do it for the Islam. Quran is not a religion book, it contain lot of terrorist phrases including kill non-Muslims.
written by fineliving56 , April 22, 2012
So stating the truth … is vile?!

I was talking about what is acceptable in the Islamic world and heard around from relatives, neighbors, Sheiks [ basing their understanding on 2/ 223] Islamic studies in Schools .

Raping wives is acceptable, if the results means to keep the marrige in tact …

and another thing … Muslim women afraid if they refuse to let their selves to be used like that, their husband will marry another … and that is always held over all Muslim women heads …and always reminded by the husbands .

As I said … you do not know what you are talking about … OK
written by Abc , April 22, 2012
"Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will; but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear God. And know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe.  (The Noble Quran, 2:223)"

In this Noble Verse we clearly see that Allah Almighty allows for the husbands to sleep with their wives, but they MUST fear Allah when they do so.  Forcing the wife into sex, or forcing her to do something that she does not desire while sleeping with her would not please Allah Almighty.  He warns those men who are sexually mean to their wives that they will meet Him, and everything they do they will be held accountable for it; "Then shall anyone who has done an atom's weight of good, see it!  And anyone who has done an atom's weight of evil, shall see it.  (The Noble Quran, 99:7-8)"
written by Abc , April 22, 2012
"and another thing … Muslim women afraid if they refuse to let their selves to be used like that, their husband will marry another … and that is always held over all Muslim women heads …and always reminded by the husbands "

Im not interested in what happens in your household.
Either provide proof of what you say otherwise keep your opinions to yourself.
They mean nothing!
written by Bikinilover , April 22, 2012
How about you provide proof first. What evidence is there that Quran is a revelation from god? Certainly you would expect that the people who follow god's true message would be the healthiest, happiest, and most successful people in the world but the are not. The Islamic world is backward, poor and suffering from birth defects related to inbreeding. A wise man said you know a tree by its fruits and we all see the fruits of Islam everyday, even if you would deny the plain truth.
I am not interested in your approval either
written by fineliving56 , April 22, 2012
I did provide a proof and you are too blind and refuse to see .... it done all over the Islamic world .

Do not call anything Nobel about Quran ... it is nothing but man made filth ... it is wasted on us .

The reason [ supposedly] Aya 2/ 223 came is shown in the hadeeth / Sahih /24-829 to clarify something a man named Jaber who said that The Jews used to say: if a man used his wife from her behind to reach her front [ Vagina ] and she got pregnant, the baby becomes a crossed eyes '' so this Aya came down to say and clarify [ Women like a tilth to you, you can approach your wife WHEN AND HOW You WANT [ NOTHING MENTIONED OF WHAT SHE WANTS ...topical Islamic ] but do some good acts beforehand ".

As if to say "' Women could be used any place front or back without the fear of having children come out crossed eyed "'

Another hadeeth showed that cruel way women are treated By Allah/Muhammad [ same]

Sahih / hadeeth / 25 -870 : Abi Hurarah said : that Muhammad said : if a man told a wife to come to his bed and she refused and he slept angry with her , the Angles will curse [ la'antha'' until morning''

It is the most difficult to be a Muslim women ... always you feel you have been cheated and manipulated and the whole time you being told '' it is for your own good '' WRONG ........ that is what they think ...

pack-word nincompoops.
Not Quran
written by Malem , April 22, 2012
There is no place where Stoning is stated as the punishment for adultery in the Quran, so the basis of the act is totally against Islam, period. Just as there is no Death penalty in the bible yet many western states have that, it is NOT Christian. This is a case of some foolish false Muslim Taliban trying to exert their power over people. You cannot judge an entire population by the acts of a few, if you did what would that make the people of Norway after Breivik!
To Abc, warning
written by Editor, M A Khan , April 22, 2012
Just because your daddy was a fecal freak it doesn't make the rest of the male population to be like that!
Vile woman!
We will not tolerate personal attacks like this against any of our members. If repeated, we will have to bar you from commenting.
Not Quran, but monkeys
written by AbuTaleb , April 22, 2012
Yeah, sure there is NO stoning verse in Quran, but Muhammad and his muslim fellows stoned women, so where did they learn to stone adulterer from?
Must be from monkeys as mentioned in the hadith.
So Muhammad received revelation from monkeys and from imaginary angel who did not show when there was a dog inside his house, and he bowed to a stone and kissed the stone.
What a stupid religion!
Malem, in interpretation of ISLAM, you are opposed to both Islam-critics AND Orthodox Muslims. And you are at issues in favor of Islam-critics over the Orthodox
written by Demsci , April 22, 2012
Malem, you are a Quran-Only-Muslim.

Islam is a very encompassing word. Most Muslim theologian leaders consider Hadiths as a part of Islam's holy texts. We consider their opinion as part of Islam too. And then the real beliefs and practices of the 1,57 billion people who call themselves Muslims, we consider that Islam too.

But you tell the world what Islam is, based on your interpretation/ version that clearly differs from all the above.

This discrepancy must be acknowledged. You speak only for Quran-Only-Muslim version of Islam.

At quite a few issues you Quran-Only-Muslims are not only in opposition to the Islam-critics as here but also to what Orthodox Muslim authoritative leaders say. Concerning the interpretation of what ISLAM is or is not. Of course the Orthodox Muslim leaders approve of that and the Islam-critics disapprove and expose it.

But that means that on quite a few issues you too disapprove wath Orthodox Muslim leaders advocatte and are thus in agreement with Islam-critics against them.

We like you Quran-Only-Muslims to acknowledge that, not deny or ignore the existence of the opinion of highly authoritative Muslim leaders and hundreds of millions who claim to follow ISLAM. As if Islam-critics and visitors here are ignorant of that. We like you to openly side with Democratic people against Orthodox Muslims on some issues.
Malem, there are mountains of evidence of detrimental influence of Islam and Muslims prophit from the bad actions of other Muslims, because Islam prophits from them.
written by Demsci , April 22, 2012
Malem, you wrote that you cannot judge an entire population by the acts of a few. wise. But then, you too are among only a few, we cannot judge Islam by you alone either. we can't tar a whole population black, but not white just like that either.

We have by now mountains of proof of the bad influence of Islam on Muslims attitude and behavior, as measured against democratic values, laws, nations, interests and human rights and golden rule.

And when these are threathened, violated, then it constitutes the crime of negligence to ignore the mountains of proof for responsible people who are in favor of these laws and rights.

And, we submit to you, that oppressive acts done by Muslims towards innocent people often are to the benefit of Islam and to the detriment of other ideologies. And that means that all Muslims prophit from them and many others suffer from them.

And that means that even neutrality, denying or ignoring it, by many Muslims, like you, is not enough to compensate towards other humans! In future it should be demanded that Muslims on at least some issues side with democratic laws and people, human rights, against Muslim offenders against them, openly!
Stoning is meant to keep women in check
written by Yibel , April 22, 2012
Feral packs of sex-deprived Muslims youths murder, rape and pillage. Muslim polygamy ensures alpha-males get extra women, creating a shortage of women for the beta-males who must either jerk off (a sin leading to hell), or form dog-packs and rape or capture kaffur women as booty in a razzia (sex raid), or else self-destruct in the presence of infidels then they can screw big breasted, dark eyed mythical virgins in Allah’s bordello in the sky.

UK: Muslim gang kidnapped and raped two girls as part of their Eid celebrations
Enjoying the sex slaves allowed by the Qur'an (men may enjoy "what your right hands own," 4:3) and Islamic law. A group of Muslim men who abducted and raped two teenage girls as part of their Eid celebrations laughed in court yesterday as they were jailed for a total of 38 years. "Muslim gang jailed for kidnapping and raping two girls as part of their Eid celebrations," by Katherine Faulkner in the Daily Mail, April 20, 2012

Sexual jihad, using rape and other forms of sexual humiliation and sadism, has been employed as a weapon of war against infidels since the time of Mohammed. Sexual jihad, including gang rapes and pedophilic abductions of Christian children, continues unabated wherever Muslims come into contact with infidels.

Islamic Gang Rape and Violent Assault on Kuffar Woman Reporter Lara Logan:
"The media is so intent on whitewashing the savage protesters in Tahrir square in Cairo that the brutal rape and beating of Lara Logan went on in public for at least a half hour to three hours, according to various reports. Videos of the rape show a crowd of about 200 or more men surrounding and separating Lara Logan from her security, while the crowd shouted “Jew, Jew!”, and “American bitch!”. (BTW, Lara Logan is not Jewish nor American, she’s a South African native.) She was beaten, slapped, masterbated on, urinated on, and at least six men raped her vaginally, and a number of men raped her anally as well. All the while, the people in the square watched it and allowed it to go on.

Islam is a brutal, hypermasculine, barbarian, tribal warrior cult that glories in murder, mutilation, rape, genocide, terrorism, destruction and anarchy. Weakness is despised and seen as ripe for predation.

Women, girls and all the feminine aspects of human nature are chattelized and subjugated. A woman or girl is to be owned, not treated as an equal. If she punctures the fragile inflated ego of her owner, then she must be killed to restore the man's 'honour' among his peers. Kuffar women and children are war booty. Islam is predatory, bullying, aggressively arrogant, swaggering wife-beating thuggery.
to Malem -- can't disagree with Khan -- "Allah is an idiot"
written by Infidel , April 23, 2012
If we have to agree with you Malem, we have to agree with you Khan too, that
If Muslims would still claim that Islam does not recommend stoning-to-death punishment for adulterers, that will amount to their playing "Boss" over "Allah". And their denial would also clearly say that Allah Is An Idiot, because, in their own claim, Allah prescribed the same punishment for both fornicators and adulterers – which they themselves find inappropriate and unjust.
Allah is a zombie; you are his fitting follower.
written by Salladin , April 23, 2012
Islam watch is one of the few sites where Malem can propagate his view without being an apostate. He agrees more with us than with muslims but he doesn't realize it. His view of islam and the messenger is far different than the construction of the arabs. But he is in denial and accepts only qur'an as the truth as told and written by the same people he ignores and thinks they are liars (sira's and hadith compilers etc.). I hope he knows qur'an only muslims are not considered real muslims and are prisoned or even killed in a "muslim"society.
written by vbv , April 23, 2012
Quran 2.223 shows Allah as a male chauvinistic pig, a woman-hater, that the woman is denigrated as a mere 'tilth'. Allah is a peeping Tom in his momins' bedrooms ! Hahahahahahahaha ...!!!!! And this is the socalled true'god' of islam. It looks more like tribal 'god' that is divisive than a universal superspook that is above all diviseness and partisan attitudes .
yibel the dribble
written by abc , April 23, 2012
More new from the daily fail. I should have figured you read that trashy rag.

written by Proud Infidel , April 23, 2012
"Either provide proof of what you say otherwise keep your opinions to yourself."

Really Abc? Who are you to tell people they can't express their opinion? That must be an "Islamic thing".

"yibel the dribble" - Name calling is very immature and downright childish, Abc. You have a lot of growing up to do.
written by abc , April 23, 2012
Maybe if you bothered to read her clap trap you would realise its all conjecture hear say and opinion with not a fact in sight. In your world that maybe a good way of proving a point but in my world i would like proof. There is nothing wrong with the saying:
If you speak the truth then bring the proof.
Try it soimnetime.
Not a fact in sight ?
written by fineliving56 , April 23, 2012
If the Muslim around here want to ignore proofs that his problem ...

I did not provide proof in my first post about this subject, because, as a Muslim him self, I thought he would know which part of Qur'an[ 2/223- hadeeth/ Sahih /24 - 829] reduces Women to mere earthy ground and how she could be used any way a man wants with no regard for women's . In my second post I did bring them

BTW ... In that Aya ... Allah / Muhammad did not say anything about '' do not force a women, it says to the man '' do what ever you want '' that to me is force because it does not say anything about asking here ... in fact the hadeeth 24- 829 [ which the Muslim ignored ] tells the women if she does not agree to sleep with the her husband she will be cursed until morning....

Women in Islam are nothing but a thing created for the comfort and pleasure and a thing to control ... nothing else ... the proofs are all over the Quran and hadeeth and the every day of Muslim lives ... the Beatings,the child marriages, being worth half a man testimony in courts and a wetness to a sale ...

If the Muslim around here choose to ignore, deny and top of that trash people and their families ... that does not mean a thing ... it only help to increase of the disgust in the non Muslims hearts ...

acknowledging the sad facts about the bad treatment of women and the on going Jihad that is every day fact of life in Islam, will result in better understanding ...
Where is the proof?
written by Malem , April 23, 2012
If Mr Khan indeed stated "If Muslims would still claim that Islam does not recommend stoning-to-death punishment for adulterers, that will amount to their playing "Boss" over "Allah". And their denial would also clearly say that Allah Is An Idiot, because, in their own claim, Allah prescribed the same punishment for both fornicators and adulterers – which they themselves find inappropriate and unjust." Where is the proof. Allah in the Quran points to no such behavior and that is the only word of Allah.
But in Quran punishment for adultery and fornication are equated and described contrary to contemparary democratic laws.
written by Demsci , April 23, 2012
Malem, I understand the quran does say:
"Quran says (24:2): The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes". Does it say that, is adultery punishable with a hundred stripes, then? Is this a position you hold then? Is it true that you then also want the same punishment for fornication? Equating adultery with fornication? Or do you distinquish between punishments for adultery and fornication?

And when the Quran says that Muslims should follow Allah (Quran) and Mohammad equally, how do you follow Mohammad of not through the Hadiths? And are ALL Hadiths invalid to you, or do you retain some hadiths as authoritative for you?

Anyway; adultery, let alone fornication, is not punishable by law in democratic countries. So are you in favor of making it punishable by law in this day and age? Or do you consider perhaps some quranic commands not literally for all times anymore, only valid in the past, but now no more?
written by Archpagan , April 23, 2012
It sounds extremely funny to see that Muslims like Malem and abc talk about proof. But, is there any proof that Muhammad really received message from Allah and Koran was not his own concoction.
@ Malem
written by Editor, M A Khan , April 23, 2012
If Mr Khan indeed stated "If Muslims would still claim that Islam does not recommend stoning-to-death punishment for adulterers, that will amount to their playing "Boss" over "Allah". And their denial would also clearly say that Allah Is An Idiot, because, in their own claim, Allah prescribed the same punishment for both fornicators and adulterers – which they themselves find inappropriate and unjust." Where is the proof. Allah in the Quran points to no such behavior and that is the only word of Allah.
Malem, you seem to be questioning my reasoning in the above passage. If you claim that verse 24:2 is the verse that deals with both fornication and adultery, then Allah has certainly prescribed the same punishment -- 100 lashes -- for both offences. But I'm giving an imaginary case: suppose both your "wife" and "unmarried daughter" happen to make a mistake, and engage in illegal sexual acts. Would you hand down the same consequence to both of them? Neither you, nor I, nor anybody else of sane mind, say "yes" to this. That makes your Allah "an idiot" -- if you insist that verse 24:2 applies to both adultery and fornication punishments.
@ Archpagan
written by Brown Superman , April 24, 2012
Muslims are funny creatures. When Non-Muslims say anything, hardcore proof is always needed. But for the Muslims, no proof is required for anything said. They may quote the ahadiths if necessary but when the Nons quote the same source, it is dismissed as since not appearing in the Kooraan.

People like Reed Wilson, and lately Malem (btw, are they the one and same person?) are only good for saying that this is not in the Kooran and that is not in the Kooran. And when you question them on other common islamic practices, they say that those practices are not prohibited by the Kooran and therefore may be done....... like circumcision. Everybody knows that male muslims circumcise the dick as an obligation but some have the cheek not to admit that islam is the cause. Islamic hypocrisy.
written by Brown Superman , April 24, 2012
What about the cases where women (not wives and slave-girls) offering themselves to the itched prophet?

Shouldn't the Maniac (Piss Be Upon Him) be given similar punishments many a folds for his screwing them, and also stonning the offeror women?
How's this for dribble, straight from the Qur'an
written by Yibel , April 24, 2012
The Qur'an teaches that the sun orbits the earth! (Q 21:33 and Q 36:40)
That the earth is flat with mountains simply placed on it (Q 15:19 - forget tectonics!
That the sun goes down in a muddy lake surrounded by a mystery population (muddy sun worshipers, perhaps?) Q 18:83-86
That the stars are missiles firing at devils and jinn to keep them away from heaven so they can't eavesdrop. (Q 67:5)
That there are beings called jinn who are created from smokeless fire (Q 55:16)
That sperm originates between the back and the ribs (Q 86:6-7).
That Allah Marduk created man from clots of blood (Q 96:1)
That Ar-Rahman created the seven heavens in just two days and decked the lowest heaven with brilliant little lights (stars) and fiery shooting guardians (Q 41:10) and He holds up the sky to keep it from falling down upon the earth (Q 22:65) How thoughtful and considerate!!!
That the heavens and earth were one solid mass that We (Marduk and Ar-Rahman) tore asunder, and then We made every living thing from water. (Q 21:28)...and hewed out highways in the rock so that they might be rightly guided. We spread the heaven like a canopy and gave it strong support.
That the sun and moon each swim swiftly in a path of its own. (Swimming celestial bodies in bathing suits? Breast stroke?)
The Qur'an only repeats the ignorance of the time and not one scientific truth

We should constantly remind Muslims of this appalling Qur'anic ignorance, and hence that either their Allah is stunningly dumb or the Qur'an is clearly a 7th century fraud.
Muslims are a bunch of pre-medieval mindless morons.
written by Malem , April 24, 2012
That is my point your argument is imaginary, if we are dealing with imaginary situations then there is no factual basis to the entire discussion. My point is there is NO STONING outlined as punisment in the Quran, so your statement that if Muslims state that fact then they are playing boss over Allah is a incorrect. They would be stating a fact and not an imaginary situation.

OH MY VOLCANO....google it
written by The Fog Horn , April 24, 2012
Why criticise Judaism? How many places are there in the world in which Judaism is carried out to the dot? None.....so far. Israel is home to many (and growing) Heredi Jews who strike me as very similar to fanatical Muslims. They keep themselves to themselves, they wear stupid uniforms, they throw things at 'Goy' who dare to walk in 'their' areas, they spit at little girls who don't wear 'decent' enough clothes, THEY FORCE WOMEN TO SIT AT THE BACK OF THE BUS!!!!, they ridicule Christians, THEY COMMIT TERRORIST ATTACKS!!!!!, they are RACIST towards black people, they ethnically cleanse 'their' areas, they MAKE A LOT OF BABIES, they depend on welfare, they refuse to live according to the law, they openly state their belief all Israelis will be Heredi due to birthrate and that then they will have their way, they have a problem with peodophilia, wives are subordinated.....

Ok, so we have not heard about anything being stoned to death by orthodox Jews but Israel is damn good at hiding news items from the world that would make their cash cows (Christians) stop funding their Nazi regime. It's in their holy book and Jews believe in every word of it. They have it drummed into them just like the Muslims do during childhood.

The Zionists have done to the Middle East what YOU (and I) hate about what Muslims are doing in Europe....taking over by force or birthrate an area and making up your own rules.

You are wasting your time bleating on about Islam when it is the ROOT of the problem you need to get to. The root of the problem is the Torah/Old Testament. You can expose, shame and disolve those laws and do the world a huge favour by making viral the fact the god of the Old Testament was nothing other than volcanic activity...i.e. he was imaginery.

It depends, of course, on what you aim for. If you just aim to let off steam and let Muslims know how much you hate them then carry on like this. If you actually want to see positive change in your lifetime then you need to open your minds a bit to the truth because only the truth can set us ALL free.
Yes, Archpagan + Brown Superman, Muslims seem to have double standard of demanding proof.
written by Demsci , April 24, 2012
First it was Mohammed and the early Muslims who came up with the extraordinary claims. And the ones who make the extraordinary claims have the burden of proof. Otherwise the human explanation of the origine of Islam is the default one.

But Muslims have been told that Islam is the truth and the norm since they were babies and it doesn't occur to them to question it anymore, it seems. But when Islam-critics begin to issue far less extraordinary claims to the contrary of the original Islamic claims, then Muslims put up high standards of proof for the Islam-critics which they refuse to put up for the founders of Islam. Double standards of demanding proof then.

But already the Quran-Only-Muslims have retreated, away from even the most authentic hadiths, to the core of Islam, the Quran. This was under immense pressure from the Islam-critics, who used the Hadiths to devastating effect. And criticizing the Quran only is much harder than criticizing the Quran & Hadith-combination most moslims still adhere to.

But Quran-Only-Muslims still like to use Hadiths when they can get away with it and they still want to be more brothers of the other Muslims than with Kafirs, it seems. So if the pressure on the Hadiths by Islam-critics ever stops, it is to be expected that Quran-Only-Muslims then will regard and use the Hadiths as valid again. They seem to have opportunistic motives more than first and foremost truth seeking motives.
written by VRM , April 24, 2012
This "goat eating quranic verse hadith" proves that quran is incomplete, contrary to muslim claims.
Many others might have been lost in various other ways, like some camel eating a palm leaf, stones simply washed away or bones broken, as Q. verses were written on these materials.
written by Salladin , April 25, 2012
Hadith is full of the qur'an been changed! In the original codex of Ibn Mas'ud and ibn Oebay kab the qur'an is different and some sura's are not there and others wich are not in the codex of today were. Ironiccally muslims pretend these hadiths are nonexistent or false.......how funny!
written by malem , April 25, 2012
And your reply to your imaginary argument is?
Acid throwing in Pakistan
written by lw1 , April 26, 2012
Stoning to death for adultery is not mentioned in Quran. Fine.
But it is happening and Muslims in those places are not trying to stop it. They have learnt their hatred from Quran.
In Pakistan, some women who have left their husbands- for example because of cruelty by their husbands and even women who have refused offer of marriage by the men have had acid thrown in their faces. Apart from the horrific burns, some lose their sight. Only in the land of Pure Muslims do women who are innocent of any crime get a life sentence from Allah's followers. Most of the perpetrators get away because of the atmosphere there. This male superiority and hatred is learnt from Quran and in mosques.
written by Malem , April 26, 2012
If they are partaking in criminal behavior then prosecute them. What instead you want to do is ban a book, thinkign that will stop the fools who commit these crimes, surely you cannot actually believe that will work.
written by lw1 , April 29, 2012
Quran and speeches by radicals and imams is responsible for creating the atmosphere in which these acts of hatred are taking place and police and judiciary often turn blind eye to these events.
This male superiority and hatred are learnt from Quran.

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