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Islam is Not for Non-Arabs: Al-Quran

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According to divine tradition, Allah sent Muhammad as a prophet to the Arabs. The Quran states in numerous verses (4, 5, 6) that Muhammad brought with him a divine scripture in clear Arabic tongue.


Introduction

As we all know, Islam is based on the Quran, which is regarded by Muslims as Muhammad’s only miracle and the only evidence that he was a prophet. We also  know that Muslims disagree on what the Quran says; Muslims with good language skills can twist the words of the Quran, and their meanings, to reach their desired interpretation. These facts make Islam peculiar in being a religion whose foundations rest on the mastery of one language; the Arabic language. It is only natural that the Arabs are the ones who determine the meanings of the Quran and the direction of Islam; the rest of the Muslim umma (nations) just follow.

Arabs are the undisputed natural leaders of the Muslim nations just for being clever enough to speak their own language. Arabs enjoyed their position in the driving seat of Islam and guarded it fiercely. They invented the taboo that the Quran is too good to be translated to any other language; only the meanings of the verses that can be translated. The Arabs marketed the claim that only the people with good command of Arabic can taste the real beauty of the Quran. These are all big lies to be added to the heap of lies of Islam  -- the religion of deception and lies.

I do not want to appear to be offending any one, but how do you describe a person, who follows a religion based on a language he can not understand? How can that person claim to be convinced of Islam if he can not read the Quran, which is supposed to be Islam’s only ‘miracle’? How does that person believe the Quran is a language miracle if he can not speak the language? Even the so called scientific miracles are based on the language proficiency. The irony, is that those non Arab Muslims, who are often more fanatic to Islam than the Arabs themselves, do not even like or trust the Arabs in other matters of life. How do they trust them on Islam?.

Islam discusses issues relevant to Arabic culture from an Arabic point of view. The Quran only mentions places that were known to the Arabs of its time, and foods that were known to the Arabs and consumed by them. The Quran mentions animals and plants that were farmed by the Arabs or were known to them. Not once the Quran mentions far-off  phenomena like volcanoes, ice sheets or frozen rivers and lakes. All this and the Muslims insist that Islam is a global religion!

After I settled in the west, my Muslim friends of non Arabic backgrounds, treated me as their personal cleric and referred to me on issues related to Islam and the Quran, just because I spoke Arabic. Some of them were open in expressing their sense of unfairness that they have to suffer of the torture of practicing Islam in a foreign language (Arabic) while the Arabs have it the easy way and practice it in their own language. This article has some good news to those friends and to the non Arab Muslims in general: You do not have to to suffer anymore because you do not have to be Muslims at all (1).

This article is completely based on the Quran, its message is to highlight the Quranic evidence that:

  1. Muhammad and his message were meant to be for the Arabs only
  2. All other nations are not invited or expected to join Islam
  3. When Allah decides to send his message to another non Arab nation, he will chose a prophet from that nation who can speak their language.
  4. Allah promised not to punish those nations who do not receive a prophet.

A Divine Tradition

Allah has some divine traditions, called sunnatu-allah, that he never departs from or change (2, 3). One of those traditions is that he sends to every nation its own prophets from its own people. Hence Muhammad was sent to the Arabs and Moses to  the Jews. Allah would never send to the Arabs, or any nation, a foreign prophet. He would not even send to the Arabs an Arab  prophet with a foreign book, because they wouldn’t understand it (see Q.41:44 below). If Allah decides to send a message to a nation, say to the Indians, he chooses an Indian person, who speaks the local language, to be the prophet in charge of delivering the divine message.

Q.    14:4 “And We did not send any messenger except [speaking] in the language of his people to state clearly for them, and Allah …..”

This message is clarified further in chapter 10: a prophet for every nation.

Q.10:47 And for every nation is a messenger. So when their messenger comes, it will be judged between them in justice, and they will not be wronged

In chapter 41, Allah declares that he would understand if the Arabs reject a non Arabic Quran:

Q.41:44  “And if We had made it a non-Arabic Qur’an, they would have said, “Why are its verses not explained in detail [in our language]? Is it a foreign [recitation] and an Arab [messenger]?” Say ….”

The wisdom and rationality of the “Prophet for every Nation” policy is clear enough, but the Quran puts forward another important reason to keep the tradition: On the judgement day, those prophets will act as witnesses over their nations. It would be unfair to bring a Jewish, or another non Arab, prophet to witness over the Arabs!

Q. 16:89  “And [mention] the Day when We will resurrect among every nation a witness over them from themselves. And We will bring you, [O Muhammad], as a witness over your nation. And We have sent down to you the Book as clarification for all things …..”

Muhammad was a prophet for the Arabs only

In accordance with the above divine tradition, Allah sent Muhammad as a prophet to the Arabs. The Quran states, in numerous verses (4, 5, 6) that Muhammad brought with him a divine scripture in clear Arabic tongue. The Arabs should not have trouble with Muhammad because he is one of them who cares about them (see Q.9:128 below) and can communicate with them in their own language.

  • Q.2:151 Just as We have sent among you a messenger from yourselvesreciting to you Our verses and purifying you and teaching you the Book and wisdom and teaching you that which you did not know.
  • Q.9:128 There has certainly come to you a Messenger from among yourselves. Grievous to him is what you suffer; [he is] concerned over you and to the believers is kind and merciful.

By sending Muhammad to them, the Arabs should be grateful because now they have a prophet from their own who can teach them all the good things.

  • Q.3:164 Certainly did Allah confer [great] favor upon the believers when He sent among them a Messenger from themselves, reciting to them His verses and purifying them and teaching them the Book and wisdom, although they had been before in manifest error.

Muhammad’s mission covers the Mecca region

Muhammad’s mission was made clear in the Quran as specified in verse Q.6:92. His duty was to deliver the message to Mecca and its suburbs, which were inhabited by Arab tribes. Please note that the name “Um Al Kura” translated as “Mother of Cities” is another Arabic name for Mecca and still in use today.

Q.6:92 “And this is a Book which We have sent down, blessed and confirming what was before it, that you may warn the Mother of Cities and those around it…..”

It is clear that the verse talks about the Arab tribes living in Mecca (like “the Quraish” tribe) and its surroundings. According to this verse Muhammad’s duties did not include delivering his message to distant areas inhabited by the non Arabs.

Having established that the Quran was revealed in a clear Arabic tongue and that Muhammad was an Arab prophet sent to the Arabs, Allah states that now there is no excuse for the Arabs not to join Islam. In verse 43:44, Allah puts in Muhammad’s mind that he, along with his tribe, have responsibility towards the Quran and will be questioned about it on the judgment day. The verse has clearly excluded the non Arabs from this responsibility.

Q. 43:44 “And indeed, it is a remembrance for you and your people, and you  are going to be questioned”

The message in the above verse is clear: the Arabs can not be excused if they do not believe in Muhammad and the Quran. On the other hand, verses Q.26:198-199 tell us that Allah expects the non Arabs to reject the Quran, if recited to them, and would understand their reasons for doing so. According to these two verses, Allah believes that rejecting the Quran by the non Arabs is a natural response that is in agreement with rationality and common sense. In other words, the two verses suggest that it is stupid for the non Arabs to believe in the Quran!

  • Q. 198: “And even if We had revealed it to one among the foreigners”
  • Q.199: “And he had recited it to them [perfectly], they would [still] not have been believers in it”.

No Prophets, No Punishments policy

There are more exciting news for the non Arabs, who should follow their instincts and reject the Quran and Islam. Allah announces in verses Q.17:15 that he operates a “no prophets no punishments” policy, which is designed to give those non Arabs peace of mind in this life and the afterlife. Allah, being a just god, promised never to punish any nation unless he sends to that nation a prophet to deliver his message to them. This divine warranty is documented in chapter 17 of the Quran:

Q. 17:15 “Whoever is guided is only guided for [the benefit of] his soul. And whoever errs only errs against it. And no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. And never would We punish until We sent a messenger”

While the above verse assures the non Arabs of a good outcome in the afterlife, chapter 28, assures them with peace and stability in this life. In verse Q. 28:59, Allah promises not to destroy any town until they a receive a messenger from him.

Q. 28:59 And never would your Lord have destroyed the cities until He had sent to their mother a messenger reciting to them Our verses. And We would not destroy the cities except while their people were wrongdoers.

With so many assurances and concessions, why the non Arabs bother about Islam?

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References:

1.  As would be expected from the Quran, there are verses that suggest otherwise. The message to the non Arab Muslims is: either you accept the verses quoted in this article, which are the basis of the article, or accept the fact that there are contradictions in the Quran, therefore it is not divine.

Q. 48:23 [This is] the established way of Allah which has occurred before. And never will you find in the way of Allah any change.

Q.33:62  [This is] the established way of Allah with those who passed on before; and you will not find in the way of Allah any change.

Q. 26:195,195: In a clear Arabic language.

Q. 12:2 Indeed, We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur’an that you might understand.

Q. 44:3 Indeed, We have made it an Arabic Qur’an that you might understand.

 

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written by kope , October 31, 2012
majority of muslims are non arabs, now western white people are converting to islam in mass
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kope
written by Jimat Khorasan , October 31, 2012
It will be good when all mankind is Muslim because we will no longer need to find scapegoats for all our problems....Palestine, Kashmir, idol worship, Bamian statue, shaitan, alcohol, western women, Jews etc.
We can have new wars between Sunnis against Shias....Sunnis against Ahmadis!

Ahmadis will be given a sovereign country; Jewish muslims will live in Palesrael and Hamas will be redundant and so will all the Imams and Islamic preachers like Zakir Naik. There will only be mosques and the only amplified sound will be that of the azans; the black youth are going to have a hard time. The Quran will become redundant; having achieved its goal.
Men will only be privileged to see only few women; the others will be draped in black funeral type gowns. There will be a shortage of women for men & temporary nikahs will be hip!

At every eid ul adha, all the living animals will be knocked off courtesy of allah and there will simply be no space in Mecca. Allah might decide call it a day rather than wait for Judgement and let everyone enter Paradise; including your Nigeristan neighbour! The world will truly be at peace at that time.....please hurry it.
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written by Malem , October 31, 2012
>Muhammad and his message were meant to be for the Arabs only
>All other nations are not invited or expected to join Islam
>When Allah decides to send his message to another non Arab nation, he will chose a prophet from that nation who can speak their language.
>Allah promised not to punish those nations who do not receive a prophet.
The Quran says no such thing above, and the author has completely failed in trying to prove any of those points. Just for example when he tries to go down the path that the Quran was meant for Arabs only.
Quran 41:44 is in regards to the immediate people who heard the Quran, it is describing a scenario had as if they heard it in a foreign language. It was never to say that the Arabic language was superior, although some people have that view, myself being one. If you extend out to 41.43 this also is not classifying or stating the Arabic language is linguistically superior to other languages, nor does it mean to indicate any inherent language or dialectal qualities of the Arabic language above others. The messenger was Arab speaking, his people Arabic speaking, thus the Quran as Mohamed communicated was Arabic. You could well make an argument of why did not Nuah or Jesus speak Chinese or Hindu. Allah is wise and understands how to communicate to his followers.
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Jimat Khorasan ,
written by kope , October 31, 2012
kope
written by Jimat Khorasan , October 31, 2012

It will be good when all mankind is Muslim because we will no longer need to find scapegoats for all our problems.............

human are better off with multiple religions then one religion

my problem with white man's evil war mongering he never stop waging wars since he killed million in 2 world war


he is ready for 3 world war
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Malem
written by xyz , October 31, 2012

If Allah sends a messenger today who speaks English, he will be much more successful than Mohammad as English is the universal language compared to Arabic . Even Arabs have to learn and speak English to communicate with the outer world. This messenger for sure will not need a sword to subjugate and conquer .

Mohammed was not successful until he invaded Mecca with 10,000 warriors to attack peaceful meccans.

You are wrong. English is much more superior to Arabic, the language of arabs and Quran . Today, a Chinese, Japanese, French, Saudi, emirati, Pakistani , Indian, African and people from any corner of the world is communicating to each other through English language and not Arabic, Chinese, Hindi etc.

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good article
written by HARKAT UL JIHAD EI KAFIROOON , October 31, 2012



good article now all shud know.
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Malem
written by xyz , October 31, 2012
"Quran 41:44 is in regards to the immediate people who heard the Quran, it is describing a scenario had as if they heard it in a foreign language. It was never to say that the Arabic language was superior, although some people have that view, myself being one. "

You are absolutely correct. Muslims found this excuse/ explanation AFTER realizing that English has far superseded Arabic, the language of Mohammad and Quran.
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Qurabic
written by Gnostic , October 31, 2012
Why are there foreign words in the quran such as Injeel or Dirham?

There are even more but the two examples reveal some striking inconsistencies.

According to the quran, the Injeel is some kind of revealation but why does Allah use this word, which is derived form the greek Evangelion? Does Allah knows that it is a foreign word? And that the meaning is something like "happy message"? Is this clear and easy to understand? Why didnt he use an arabic term? Instead he clearly refers to something in greek but we still do not know the details. One of the 4 biblical texts? Apokryphal texts? The teachings of Jesus in general? But why did the author call it Injeel then?

The use of the word Dirham= greek Drachma is even more contradictious. It is used in Surah Joseph who is supposed to lived during the ancient Egypt Empire perhaps 2000 years ago. During this time no coins were in use. We know that for sure because coins were many hundred or even 1000 years later invented. At first in China and later in Asia Minor. Archaeologists studied many ancient texts from Egypt, including accounting tables, receits etc. and they know definetely that there were no coins because Egypt did not have the economical and technological conditions for such a money economy.

But even more ridiculous is the use of the currency "Dirham" here. There can be no doubt that dirham refers to the greek currency which obviously did not exist. I am not sure but maybe even the greek civilisation did not exist at this time, probably there were only some proto-greek cultures such as the Minoeans from Crete.

All in all I think that the authors of the quran are not aware of what they were writing. They were lacking any historical, linguistic, theological and scientific backgrounds which in turn results in so many errors and contradictions.

Of course I would not expect this from an all knowing god but from humans who tried to pretend to be god.
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correction, etc.
written by Gnostic , October 31, 2012
Of course Joseph supposedly did not live only 2000 years ago but probably around 2000 b.c. , we do not know exactly, but for sure long before the invention of minting.

BTW, Injeel is mostly mentioned together with the Torah, another foreign word. Muslims claim that these scriptures were faked but I cannot find that claim in the quran and we have no evidence at all that any "islamic" Injeel or Torah ever existed.

We still do not even know what kind of Evangelion the quran is talking about : The four biblical gospels or even the entire New Testament or even the entire christian teachings? Gnostic gospels? Gnostic teachings? All what Jesus teached but nothing else?
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Kope
written by Jimat Khorasan , October 31, 2012
Put a mirror on Musalman's wars instead of white man's wars!
Muslims killed in the name of Islam more than all the others in the history of mankind put together; millions just in the Indian subcontinent & it is still going on!

History must be an educator, but then you probably feel very honoured & proud to be a follower of Mo! Keep trying the belts for size.
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The Article's claims are supported by the Quran
written by From the author , October 31, 2012
Malem says “The Quran says no such thing above,..”


The article is completely based on the Quran. All the claims made in the article are heavily supported by verses in the Quran.

Please read again

Mumin
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Malem
written by xyz , October 31, 2012
As per Malem

"Quran 41:44 is in regards to the immediate people who heard the Quran, it is describing a scenario had as if they heard it in a foreign language. It was never to say that the Arabic language was superior, although some people have that view, myself being one. If you extend out to 41.43 this also is not classifying or stating the Arabic language is linguistically superior to other languages, nor does it mean to indicate any inherent language or dialectal qualities of the Arabic language above others"


Than why non Arabs do not pray namaz and recite Quran in their native/ mother language ?? Pakistanis should be praying Namaz in Urdu

Non Arabs are basically slaves. For religion they are slaves to Arabs . For other things to America and west.

This is what happens when you do not create something by yourself. Arabs at least created a religion.
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Kope
written by Kaser , October 31, 2012
"majority of muslims are non arabs, now western white people are converting to islam in mass"

Indeed, where I live, I see lineups at all the Mosques with Westerners pushing and shoving to join Islam.

Poor Kope - your boiling racism towards whites is consuming you...
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Was Pharaoh a Muslim?
written by Gnostic , October 31, 2012
Many muslims just overlook it, but there are so many strange inconsistencies. Here is yet another one:

YUSUFALI: Said (Pharaoh): "Believe [...] Be sure I will cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides, and I will cause you all to die on the cross!"

This here is from Surah 26 and very similar also in Sura 7:124.

Historicians claim that this must be wrong because these punishments were not in use in ancient Egypt. Moreover, the cross was a holy symbol in Egypt (Ankh-Symbol which means "Life").

But there is even more to say, since Pahraoh seems to quote from the quran:

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YUSUFALI: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;


How come??? Pharaoh a muslim? At least he is using the same punishments! Only an accident? Nope.

There are many repetitions in the quran and here is just another one, not considering that an ancient egyptian Pharaoh would use other punishments than Muhammad during his life!

This is only another example how easily we can reveal that the quran was written by humans who produced so many errors and inconsistencies!
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Or did Allah learn from Pharaoh how to punish?
written by Gnostic , October 31, 2012
Pharaoh speaks about this punishments in three surahs, also in Surah 20.: 71.

Thus, we have 5:33 (punishments by Allah) and Surah 7, 20 and 26 (all by Pharaoh) all speaking of identical punishments.

Muhammad and Pharaoh are using not only the same punishments, but also the almost same wording, while being separated by thousands of kilometres, around 2000 years or, different languages, different cultures and absolutely nothing else in common but cutting off hands and feet from opposite sides and cruxification!

It is impossible to find any other explanation but that the author had no idea of ancient Egypt and its history.
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Islam (Religion) is for no-one . . . part 1
written by Apollyon , October 31, 2012
Thank you for another excellent and well-researched article which typically will not be well received by those who are locked into a blind and self-destructive paradigm. The stupidity has only just begun - give it a day or two to develop as shown in the trolling comments to various other articles on this site.

Islam's appeal has been, historically, to the ignorant, uneducated masses who generally have neither the ability nor the desire (or even the time) to look or think outside the box. Should a self-styled "Prophet" (may huge pieces fall upon him) arrive making promises that are appealing and which appear to offer a way out of their predicament, then they cannot be blamed for holding out their hands, unfortunately without proper or intelligent informed consent. This is separate from the enforced "conversion" under threat of murder and destruction, and the psychopathic slaughter of over 0.5 billion souls in 1400 years, conservatively speaking. From India alone approximately 80 million young people died on enforced marches through the Hindu Kush (Killer) Mountains.

To say that people are converting en-mass to Islam is a gross overstatement; ALL religions are suffering reduced input as the masses become more educated and discerning, and increasingly aware that ALL religions are just contrived forms of social, political, and economic conditioning enabling the controlling elites to hold ephemeral power over their ignorant subjects, while more important issues are subsumed by the irrelevant platitudes of religion.
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Punishments
written by Gnostic , October 31, 2012
My examples are also confirming the main assertion of the article that islam and quran only express an arab view.

Pharao uses the same punishments like arabs 2000 years later.

Must we say more?
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Allah's language!
written by Kafirwala , October 31, 2012

Recently, in my neighborhood, there was a muslim convention. In that meeting a muslim
maulavi (clergyman) declared unhesitatingly that Arabic is the language of the jannat (heaven) and Allah too and therefore the premiere language in the world is Arabic and any other language in the world will be only second to Arabic and he claimed that this has been clearly stated in the Quran. He also declared that according to Islam, English is the language used in 'jahannam' (hell), and eventhough more people are using English nowadays, he further announced that the view held by Islam that English is the worst language and the language of 'Jahannam' has not undergone any change and will continue so in future too. The muslim audience heard his spirited speech in abject silence and with awe! I really marvel at the audacity of these muslim mullas/moulavis!
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@ Kafirwala - Allah's language!
written by This is Rami Rustom , October 31, 2012
> He also declared that according to Islam, English is the language used in 'jahannam' (hell)

I assume that by Islam he means Quran. But, English didn't exist when the Quran was written.
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Is Allah a beginner?
written by Gnostic , October 31, 2012
Imagine you are reading a thriller taking place in France. At the end, the bad guy is sentenced to death on the electric chair.
However, if you are clever then you will think that there is no death punishment in France any more, and electric chair can only be found in America. Then you realize that the author is an american. What would you think about him? That he is a good author? Of course not.

It is the same with the quran: Arabic punishments in ancient Egypt as well as greek Drahmas! Theres are real beginners mistakes and nothing else!

We should collect some money and buy a beginners guide for authors for Allah!
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Kafirwala
written by Malem , October 31, 2012
Nice try lad, it says no such thing, lying is not a way to go thru life.

XYZ - Non arabs do pray in their own language, I have Turksih friends who pray in Turkish and English who do the same in English?

Mumin - Author - I will stand corrected if you show me where in the Quran allah states that Islam is only for Arabs and where it states NO other nations are not invited to join. It does not. Islam is open to all who choose to embrace Allah. The messenger was given the message in his native language, as was Musa and Nuah and Eisa....
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written by Reed Wilson. , November 01, 2012
Mumin Salih. Thanks for the article. Quran is for you also. My detailed post is under review and shall appear as per promise.
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Malem
written by xyz , November 01, 2012
"XYZ - Non arabs do pray in their own language, I have Turksih friends who pray in Turkish and English who do the same in English? "

Dear Malem who is it you are fooling. In ONLY Turkey it was sanctioned / imposed by Kamal Attaturk, a secular minded dictator and not by any Islamic imam, Mufti or scholar.

Can you refer to any Islamic scholar who approves praying Namaz in other than Arabic language during 14 centuries?

Why Mohammed didn't tell the non Arabic to pray in their native languages?

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Malem
written by xyz , November 01, 2012

Do you pray namaz in your mother language?

If not, why ?
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xyz
written by Malem , November 01, 2012
I do pray in my native language, my native language is arabic.
People whom i know that live nearby me and in other countries pray in their native languages, i am not try to fool anyone, it is a fact.
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to Malem
written by the author , November 01, 2012
I don't normally engage in debates and I do not intend to. but I’ll respond to Malem then I want to be excused and go away for a few days.

Quran says:
14:4 “And We did not send any messenger except speaking the language of his people to state clearly for them, and Allah .....

Mohammed did not speak English or persian, or any other language, therefore he was a prophet for the Arab only(and his message for the Arabs only)
Also the Quran says:

”Q.10:47 And for every nation is a messenger. So when their messenger comes, it will be judged between them in justice, and they will not be wronged

Therefore Mohammed (and his message )was for the Arabs only.

Q.6:92 “And this is a Book which We have sent down, blessed and confirming what was before it, that you may warn the Mother of Cities and those around it.....”

Mohammed’s duty was to deliver the message to Mecca area, therefore other nations not included.

Please read also what I wrote in references (1)

If this explanation does not help, then I am not of any help to you.

Finally, I like to thank all who read the article and those who enriched it with their comments.


Mumin
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Mumin
written by Malem , November 01, 2012
I appreciate your response and willingness to engage on the topic. My point is that you make an ASSUMPTION that just because Allah states he is sending a messenger that can speak there language, that the message is only for Arabs. Yes the Islamic empire stretched much further beyond the intial Arab speaking areas. In terms of 10:47 I believe the meaning of Nation is that ALL PEOPLE are sent the messenger. Especially given at the time of the Quran the state of the "Nations" are not aligned with Arabic speaking peoples, thus that argument is nullified.
In the end the Quran is for ALL, As Allah is. The messengers duty was to deliver the message to ALL that would listen, not jsut to those who resided in Mecca, it says no where in the Quran that "Allahs message is only applicable to those in Mecca"

Thru your assumptions, you conclude, the Quran was Only for a certain Nation, only for Arabs, only for Arabs in Mecca...and that is incorrect, it is only your opinion.
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Malem
written by abc , November 01, 2012
Malem of you want a proper analysis of the topic then read the link below!
It destroys mumin salehs arguments.


http://www.suhaibwebb.com/society/dawah/balancing-arabization-according-to-the-qur’an-and-sunnah/
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Allah made many beginners Mistakes!
written by Gnostic , November 01, 2012
There are people of the bookm probably jews and christians, as well as arabs - people without book aka illiterates.

The quran refers very often to the fact that it is clearly written in arabic and it is also clear that it addresses only arab speaking people.

However, the quran also ignites war in order to convert people, even with violence if necessary, maybe pagan arabs and non-arabs as well.

So it is not clear what the quran wants but this not surprising since the quran is contradictious al,ost everywhere.

Remeber: Allah learnt from Pharao how to punish - according to the quran!
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Usless Diety
written by Montegue , November 01, 2012
No one, neither Arab nor other nations should believe in Quran, for it purveys a worthless deity who did not prevent Muhammad from being poisoned; who took for himself a capricious tyrant for a prophet; who impresses in the minds of his worshipers the most inhuman and cruel treatments of others who disagree with him; who could understand no other language, but an Arabic that is not event intelligible to native Arabs; a deity who is incompetent in human language; a deity who is incapable of speaking through a donkey or a camel; a deity who is consumed by hatred of Jews and Christians, yet could not bring fire down to devour them. The Quran is a book full of the most dirty, ugly, and debased example of a man. The world will be much happier without it.

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written by vbv , November 01, 2012
Islam is an invention by a lecherous, barbaric, criminal arab to serve his interests and further his evil objectives. Nothing more. Now , the idea of this monotheistic muck of a synthetic spook sending "messengers" , getting all the dirty work done by the fanatical nuts on the instigation and incitements of their self-serving "prophets" and socalled messengers is too well known. The authors of this spook and his socalled diktats are very insular - minded nuts who havespread only disenchantments and hopelessness in the real world ,while promising the sky in the socalled hereafter ionly to subserve their interests in this real world . Too much credence is given to their pettyminded wars to glorify themselves and their chosen "people" , to wage war to glorify their imaginery spook and claim more adherents and slaves, to plunder in the name of the imaginery spook called Allah/Yahweh. It is time people trash these bullshits and get on with one's life sans the clutter of this nonsense called religion and "god".
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Allah/Muhammad is imitating infidel Pharao!
written by Gnostic , November 01, 2012
Isnt the imitating of infidels forbidden according to the quran?

But why are Allah/Muhammad emulating Pharao then? They are using the same punishments and express this with the same words! How is this possible?

Pharao cannot have known the quran but how is he using the same punishments and the same words then?

The only logical answer is that Allah/Muhammad learnt from Pharaoh how to punish and how to call this.

However, modern scholars would say that the true reason behind this contradiction is that the author of the quran made a mistake. There are so many repetitions in the quran and the author just lost control. It is also likely that he had absolutely no idea of history!

Who can believe in this nonsense any more!
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Islam (Religion) is for no-one . . . part 2
written by Apollyon , November 01, 2012
Yesterday I attempted to post a comment which was denied by the site bot as "too long", which was confusing as other posts appear much longer. On splitting the post in two it denied my second posting as well. I mentioned this to the admin, who said it was a hiccup in the system and out of his control, so, here goes, with my fingers crossed . . .

. . . A certain portion of the prison population may be "converting", but one has to question their long-term sincerity, and ultimately their understanding (intellectually and spiritually) of the forces at play. One must include them with the subjects of my second paragraph. One must also consider their motives (hate?) and their morality (questionable?). Perfect candidates for a psychopathic philosophy. I don't apologise for the judgement - it's purely a cautious statement of fact!

Other so-called "converts" may include confused and disaffected "New-Age" seekers, who also are unable to look outside the box. The many "New Age" so-called philosophies are piecemeal and fragmented in order to maintain confusion and create negative energies which feed parasitical thought forms [http://www.montalk.net/files/fringeknowledgeWEB.pdf]. Truly not an appropriate substitute for religion, or deeper self-reflection.

True seekers of knowledge live a very lonely existence, as each individual's spiritual reality is personal and private, and derives from a prolonged and deep internal analysis of their own life journey. While one may strive to set an example through speech and appropriate action, in the end mostly no-one cares, and the wiser ones that do soon realise that after following all the conflicting sign posts, the search can only be conducted internally, and alone.

Beware, and be warned, of wolves in sheep's clothing which is brightly coloured, like platitudes, to attract your attention and to suit your perceived needs.
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Islamic sciences “necessary” to gain the proper understanding of Islam.
written by 1proudkaffur4life , November 01, 2012

ABC: your “link”

http://www.suhaibwebb.com/society/dawah/balancing-arabization-according-to-the-qur’an-and-sunnah/

Quote:
[….]
Since then, I have been an avid reader of Islamic sciences according to the classic and contemporary works in the Arabic language and believe thoroughly that this is the only way to attain true scholarship of Islam.

End quote ]

So it takes MORE than just the “quran” to understand “Islam” allahs LAST and most perfect message? When he speaks about “Islamic sciences” the question popped up in my mind, which “sciences” does he mean, and “who” is/are the author(s) of it. Yet allah claims that his “book is clear” “sufficient for guidance”. I might have missed it but where in the quran does it say one also would in the future (after the death of the lice-ridden profeet) need “Islamic sciences” to understand Islam. The author of your link goes on to “explain” his case and therefore adding his HUMAN words to the quuran, so that the “readers” might get the proper understanding of Islam...

Thanks for the ammunition, which helps me to blow once again Islam out of the “water” so to speak.. :-)

BTW the idea that one needs “Islamic sciences” is not entirely new to me, lest you misunderstand. Up to nearly 100 of them a “ Islamic scholar” would learn and study...
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proudkafir
written by Malem , November 01, 2012
It is clear and sufficient to those who take the time to read it and study. You choose not to do so, and not learn the languagein which the messenger provided the Quran. That is your choice. However the point that studying the Arabic language via other works is a great way to insure you fully understand the language and then would be able to full comprehend the Quran, which it is clear you do not. The only thing you are blosing is hot air.
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Malem
written by xyz , November 01, 2012
"I do pray in my native language, my native language is arabic.
People whom i know that live nearby me and in other countries pray in their native languages, i am not try to fool anyone, it is a fact."

- so you are an Arab and you pray namaz In arabic. This is no news.

- would you pray namaz in any other language e.g English.

- can you give here any reference from any Islamic scholar saying that namaz can be prayed in other languages than Arabic.

- why Muhammad didn't say for non Arabs to pray in their native languages.

- I am from Pakistan and now I live in UAE and I am 45 years old and I have travelled more than half the world and I have not encountered even one person praying namaz in any other language than Arabic. I have been to Turkey as well.

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xyz
written by fineliving56 , November 01, 2012
If he say he is Arabic … I give him a D on his Arabic … that if he was truthful native language

Through his and my conversations, I noticed he does not care to be carful and give the proper grammar ..

Arabic nouns and verbes differ between Females and males … once, he was low enough to associate me with a donkey … he was supposed to say '' Jah'hsha '' for females, instead , he said …'' Jah'hish '' for males …. No Arab would make a mistake like that … a first grade child would know the difference .

My dear grandmother was a greek who came to turkey as a child and then married to my grandfather when she was 14 and never went to school … she helped raising me and I remember she never got the right grammar of the Arabic language … she used to use male nouns and verbs talking to me and my sisters … and female ones to my brother and father, that was a source of friendly jokes on her expanse … which she never resented .

I challenged Malam once, to take a test in Arabic language …. he ignored .

One time he said, he traveled to Egypt and Syria … and gathered that Egyptians are better educated and use better language then Syrians …

and I say … If he knew reality about this subject he would not have said that .. besides … traveling to Arabic countries and picking up arabic language here and there .. does not constitute KNOWING the language in whole .

I guessed he is a Pakistani or Afghani whose ancestries have been forced to Islam with a sword .. and now he identify him self as an Arab … how could he NOT do that, while Islam gave the permission to marry to women at the same time otherwise he is not able two .
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you are right
written by Islam , November 01, 2012
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Islam is for all.
written by Reed Wilson. , November 01, 2012
Mumin. Islam is not enshrined in Quran only. It is in all the scriptures such as Torah, Injil, and books of Abraham and Moses.

"Say, "We believe in GOD, and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and in what was given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are submitters." Quran 3:84.
(Submitter is the one who is a Muslim or follower of Islam)
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clearly not a clear book.
written by 1proudkaffur4life , November 01, 2012
OK you say it is clear.
You mean to say that to you it is clear that in some passages a day by allah is 1.000 and in another it is 50.000 years?
If it were "clear" one would know where the 7 earth are.

Either way it is scientifically wrong. There is another point I AM not here to proof anything, the burden of proof is you Muslims here, if you want to convince the readers that Islam is indeed true. The quran needs “Islamic sciences” written in Arabic to make sense even in its “native tongue”! If the book was so “clear” the Internet would not provide so many Websites “explaining” Islam.
The issue of translation then is just a “side-issue” for me. The validity of the quran for me stays and falls because Islam needs the input of humans who can not claim to receive guidance from allah, so any human who attempts to “explain” a passage in the quran, gives his opinion about the matter. At this moment the quranic claim to be a clear book is shown to be incorrect, I hope you get the point?

You seem to NOT top grasp the idea of translation. First of all, Muslims who use the translated book are convinced that it is well done enough to use it to spread the message of Islam. This is why the Muslims in Germany passed out books written in German! Then the other point is that here is a message being translated which concerns (so the claim goes) the eternal life of humans.Do you really think Muslims who translated the quran would do so carelessly? It is not some unimportant story of a rider falling off of a camel in the Arabian desert!
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Fineliving
written by Malem , November 01, 2012
My grammer is bad? Have you ever looked at yours! haha If anything I type to fast so sometimes using the proper tense of words is incorrect. However I do reside in Egypt and have lived there and in Syria, mainly in Tartous and Meshta while working with another physician friend. I have never been to afghanistan or Pakistan, only met people from there which there is a lot in the gulf region and there were many at Hajj. What test did you challenge me to take? I do not recall it, show it I will take any test in Arabic, please use proper Arabic and not the street language they use in the levant.

XYZ I doubt very much lad you are from the UAE....
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Malam
written by fineliving56 , November 01, 2012
You know, I meant ..your Arabic grammar and not English grammar …besides ... I never claimed excellency in English … I even apologize for it to posters … so that is your way to trying to avoid answering.

Where were you born ? ..you say you reside in Egypt , that does not make you are an arab Egyptian.

Why are you avoiding to say where you are from ?

BTW … I do not use street language in writing.. Malam ….. you would have known that if you knew that written Arabic has to be proper Arabic and slain …

Slain Syrian is a lot more understandable then Egyptian slain … I have nothing against Egyptian, but until now they have not changed the English names for months that they use officially … they do not use proper Arabic names of months …like Syrians do .

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It seems Allah is an Arab
written by Infidel and More Proud , November 01, 2012
For Allah only understands prayers in arabic AKA salat he must be an arab.
Moreso he/it wants non arabs to recite/parrot his prayer in arabic without understanding it.

This has been repeated by RW and Malman the sites persisitent Islam masters who claims quran cannot be understoood wothout knowledge of arabic. The have managed to show us that the world renowened traslations from the likes of shahi ET AL are also loads of Bo****x.
Islam is not for non arabs for there Quran cannot be any other language sans Arabic and not arabs cannot understand Quran.
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Malem
written by Kaser , November 02, 2012
You comment about needing to read the Quran in Arabic to fully understand it is cowardice Malem.
Cowardice Malem because it allows you to ignore our comments until we learn Arabic (which we will not do) to the read the Quran.
It allows you to discard our understanding of the official english translations of the Quran.

This is a perfect example of Arabic supremacist thinking...

And also contradicts your statement that "Allah is the greatest of communicators".
Obviously not, for Allah requires me to learn a complete new language to understand his message.
Is that the "greatest communicator" ??
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Kaser
written by Malem , November 02, 2012
Allah is a great communicator, you just either refuse to listen or are not smart enough to. Maybe tis you who are the moron.

Infidel It is you who are the one full of feces lad. Allah never staes he only understands Arabic, he understands all and if you read the Quran you would see that my boy, clear as day.

Finliving it is called SLANG Arabic, and why should we follow what the Syrians do? Look what where they are now, we settled our differences for the sake of the country.
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That's it!
written by Tanstaafl jw , November 02, 2012
Muslims have to move back to Arabia. Bye-Bye!
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tidbits
written by snoopy , November 02, 2012
Malem
"The messengers duty was to deliver the message to ALL that would listen, not jsut to those who resided in Mecca, it says no where in the Quran that "Allahs message is only applicable to those in Mecca"

Then why did Muhammad never leave the ME to deliver the message to EVERYONE ? He delivered his message to a few small tribes,then the rest at the tip of a sword.Accept my word as divine prophecy or have your head chopped off isn't "delivering the message."
The Arabic written language was unevolved at the time the quran was recorded. Only about 1500 people alive today can decipher the original ,vague Arabic writings.

This is Rami Rustom
"But, English didn't exist when the Quran was written."

English is documented to before the Roman invasions and the writings of Tacitus in 100 AD. It evolved more quickly with the influence of Romans and German migrations to Britain .

Gnostic : Pharaohs were not Arabs. The vast majority were Greek,Roman,Semites and Celts. muslims stole everything in the quran from other religions and cultures.

Apollyon : prisoners convert to islam because the religion justifies crimes,hate,rape and intolerance .It aids them in early release from prison since they "find religion ."

Jimat Khorasan ,
"It will be good when all mankind is Muslim because we will no longer need to find scapegoats for all our problems..."

Except for the fact that muslims murder more muslims than anyone else. It would be a WW of hate and cruelty without end.
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Snoopy
written by Malem , November 02, 2012
There are many stories of Mohammed visting outside of Mecca. One question to you is, How is Charlie Brown doing these days?
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Malam
written by fineliving56 , November 02, 2012
No, one told you to fallow what Syrians are doing … I was talking about the use of Arabic Language !

You like to switch subjects so you avoid giving honest answers .

What happen in Syria is not just the fought of Syrians … Al Quida ..the Muslim terrorist group have infiltrated Syria and destroyed whats left … they love destruction because they are Muslims thugs not because they are syrians . Muslims are thugs because of Islam is created by a thug Muhammad …

No mercy in the hearts of the thug Muhammad …. and Al Qaida is nothing but bunch of clones of Muhammad .

Syria is now in ruins …… because Saudi the sunnies, and Iran the Shiites, are fighting their war and the place of war is in Syria and for the last few month in Aleppo it self .

My family have told me … the people who call them selves al ahrar … are not Syrians .. they speak in different accents and it is foreign .

I could tell from your posts is full of satisfaction of the death of 50,000 Muslims Syrians … and their is not a spick of compassion of loss of lives ..

true Muslim … congratulation Malam … you just added to my hate of islam and what it had done to Muslims … and I thought I reached the max .


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written by xyz , November 02, 2012
"XYZ I doubt very much lad you are from the UAE...."

I am a Pakistani living in UAE for many years. You even don't know the difference old man, your brain is definitely depleting.

And do not avoid my questions


- would you pray namaz in any other language e.g English.

- can you give here any reference from any Islamic scholar saying that namaz can be prayed in other languages than Arabic.

- why Muhammad didn't say for non Arabs to pray in their native languages.

Also I am sure you are a Pakistani by birth as fine living mentioned.


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Malem
written by Snoopy ace , November 02, 2012

You mentioned you have two wives. what you do if both are turned on at the same time?

Also it was in GN yesterday that a jordanian muslim man who has two wives found one of his wives was sleeping with another man.

Are you from Jordan Malem?
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Malem
written by Snoopy ace , November 02, 2012

You mentioned you have two wives. what you do if both are turned on at the same time?

Also it was in GN yesterday that a jordanian muslim man who has two wives found one of his wives was sleeping with another man.

Are you from Jordan Malem?
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Re: Snoopy
written by Gnostic , November 02, 2012
Of course the Pharaohs were no arabs. I was talking about ancient Egypt here and the many contradictions in the quran.

One of them is the use of the currency dirham=drachma in Surah Joseph. The minting of coins was developed much later and of course there cannot have been any drachmas in use in ancient Egypt.

Another striking contradiction is that the Pharaoh is talking about the use of chopping of opposite hands and feet andcruxification. This was not in use in ancient Egypt but it is also mentioned by Muhammad/Allah in Surah 5 suggesting that Allah/Muhammad were not only using the same punishment, but also the same wording thus imitating the infidel Pharaoh which is not welcomed according to the quran.

Of course the most simple and probably true explanation is that the author of the quran had no knowledge what he was writing about.
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To Malem
written by Gnostic , November 02, 2012
Hi, Malem! Usually you are so fast and so keen to to critisize me. to call me a liar and so on but this time you are obviously very silent. No idea, why Allah uses the words of Pharaoh?

Allah the imitator of infidel Pharaoh?

Tell me about it!
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XYZ
written by Malem , November 02, 2012
Answers )No native tongue is Arabic, 2) no but the Quran does not prohibit it 3)he was an Arab, what did you expect him to do speak in Chinese? 4)No, never been to old Paki, but the fellow who cleans the units in our development is one, very hard laborers they are (especially in the UAE)
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snoopy
written by Jye , November 02, 2012
When Muslims here cannot refute your posts, they will insult, evade, mock, and patronize, or call you a racist/islamophobe/bigot. Point in case with old man Malem, above.
Great post btw.
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Malman ET AL
written by Infidel and More Proud , November 02, 2012
Malman you are full of diarrhe*
Your Prphet is full of diarrhe*
Your wives are full of diarrhe*
Your kids are full of diarrhe*
Your ancesters were full of diarrhe*
What else can I say for an imbicile like you...... for you are born of arsz
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infidull
written by abc , November 03, 2012
Go forth and procreate with one self
you master- bater!!!!!
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AKI , ABC, Akbar, Proud Mussi ET AL
written by Infidel and More Proud , November 03, 2012
Eat Malmans Fecalz
Procreate with Allah, Moh, your mother , father sister , gradmother and all family members.
Also with Rzq, Kope and Malman. You are a Musli tosser and will remain a tosser.

You are experienced in self procreation by screw-ing your arsz.....
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About that which does not exist
written by Yibel , November 03, 2012
about Reed Wilson. , November 01, 2012 post:
"Mumin. Islam is not enshrined in Quran only. It is in all the scriptures such as Torah, Injil, and books of Abraham and Moses."

The 6 pillars of Islam are: Salat or Salah (public ritual prayer), Zakat tax, Hajj (pilgrimage to Makkah to worship a rock), Sawm (fasting during Ramadan), and reciting the Shahada ("La ilaha ila Allah, Muhammada rasul Allah", translation "There is no ilaha but Allah, and Muhammad is his final prophet"), and - of course - Jihad.

NONE of these are to be found in The Torah (the first 5 books of the Bible) NO salat, hajj, zakat, sawm, jihad or ALLAH in the Torah - or anywhere else in the Bible, for that matter! Islam is NOT, repeat NOT, in the Torah!

No one actually knows what this "Injil" thing is - the Qur'an says that it was something given to someone called Issa/Isa (a title meaning LORD - a title which was given to The Buddha, BTW); therefore, Islam can not be proved to be in this Injil thing either. And, as there are NO BOOKS of Abraham - NONE have ever been found - therefore - NO ISLAM there either.

Reed, Islam was invented by Muhammad and his followers. It never existed before Muhammad - circa 622 CE. It is a purely military organization designed to subjugate the whole world for the benefit of Arab supremacy. To the victor go the spoils - see Chapter 8, The Spoils. Muhammad (DBA Allah) got 20 percent of the take - off the top - plus zakat tax plus jizya tax and control of the Makkah/Ka'aba religious scam. Islam is nothing more than a criminal Mafia-style money-making scheme based on violent conquest. Submit, pay jizya, or get your head chopped off!
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Quran 10:47 and the claims...
written by 1proudkaffur4life , November 03, 2012

Quran 10:47 which makes the assertion that every nation should have received its own messenger.

Quote:
Q.10:47 And for every nation is a messenger. So when their messenger comes, it will be judged between them in justice, and they will not be wronged

Quote end]

The question should be asked what does allah mean by “nation”?

According to Webster's dictionary from 1913:

1. (Ethnol.) A part, or division, of the people of the earth,
distinguished from the rest by common descent, language,
or institutions; a race; a stock.

2. The body of inhabitants of a country, united under an
independent government of their own.

A clear book should not leave any doubt.

Well WHERE is the GERMAN speaking Messenger! Muslims twice besieged the city of Vienna, why did they not trust their holey book that indeed allah would send the German speaking people their own native messenger so that they become Muslims. If allah's “nation” means “country (like the 2 second description shows) than one would expect many Messengers, for the English, Dutch, French, and so on. Yet Islam in all the world is spread based on the claims of the “last” Messenger of allah. It was spread by the adherents of the arabic lice-ridden profeet.

Also this would invalidate the claim that Mohammad is the “last” messenger, since there are still small pockets of indigenous natives “Stone-age” people who never got their own promised Messenger. for 10:47 to come true, allah would have to send them after MohamMAD their own messenger!

Not one “nation” which is Islamic today, can claim to be so based on the message they got from allah through their OWN NATIVE Messenger. No religion on this earth has shown to have any connections to Islam, or the rituals and demands Islam asks of the Muslims. Again as a example Islam in Thailand is based on the arabic Mohammad, and not on some native. As a matter of fact these “men” who claimed to be new messengers of a deity would be persecuted by Islam, case in point is the Bahai religion, IIRC which was formed in a Islamic setting. If 10:47 were actually true, then even countries like Turkey, “nations” like the “Serbs” or all others on the Balkan would have had their own ISLAMIC SLAVIC PROPHETS! There is no trace of any Islamic prophets “before” MohamMAD claimed to be the messenger, and most important NONE AFTER he came. Which makes once again the claim of the inerrant quran to be sorely mistaken.
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Malem
written by xyz , November 04, 2012
"No, never been to old Paki, but the fellow who cleans the units in our development is one, very hard laborers they are (especially in the UAE)"

Typical Islamic hatred from supposedlly an Arab (Malem most probably a Yemeni ) towards non Arab . No doubt Muslims have 72 sects killing each other. Thanks god I left this hateful religion .
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written by Reed Wilson. , November 05, 2012
1proudkaffur4life. Your interest in Quran is growing. It happens. See Mr. Tony Blair. He is also reading Quran 'regularly'.

As for your curiosity about Quran 10:47, you have taken English meaning of Arabic word رَّسُولٌ and have given its dictionary definition. What required was to look for dictionary meaning of رَّسُولٌ in Arabic dictionaries. I give the dictionary meaning of رَّسُولٌbelow:

"Ibn Faaris says it basically means to get going: a group or herd is also called ar rasal: ja’atil khailu arsaala: to send (towards somebody_) arsalahu alaih: he imposed himself on someone: ar rasul: the person who is sent towards men from God: that person is called rasul as well his message:"

I quote verse 10:47 and its two translations below:


٦﴾ وَلِكُلِّ أُمَّةٍ رَّسُولٌ ۖ فَإِذَا جَاءَ رَسُولُهُمْ قُضِيَ بَيْنَهُم بِالْقِسْطِ وَهُمْ لَا يُظْلَمُونَ

"A Messenger is appointed for all people. When the Messenger for them came he judged among them fairly and they were not wronged." Sarwar

For every people there is an apostle; and when their apostle is come the matter is decided between them equitably, and no one is wronged. (Ahmad Ali)

You ask "Well WHERE is the GERMAN speaking Messenger!" Well if the German speaking are Christians, Jews or any of any religion, they had the message or the messenger. They can consult Quran if they like.

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written by Reed Wilson. , November 05, 2012
1proudkaffur4life. I did not discuss the meaning of Arabic word أُمَّةٍ in my above post. I have given two translations which cover that. I hope you will get my point which I can always elaborate for you.

Thanks.
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written by Reed Wilson. , November 06, 2012
Yibel your above post is based on bias. The pillers you mention are not pillars. No such mention in Quran. The Arabic translations of Bible have translated Gospel as Injil. I dont find find the Gospel of Jesus anywhere in Bible.

May be Muhammad told you in your ears his intention of 'inventing ' Islam.

Yibel you were not showing up for long. Is it your strategy to disappear temporarily when you dont find logic for something? Do you use vanishing creme? Your scholarship has deviated you from the real Christianity.

I am hurriedly writing this post. I know there is fasting in other religions including Christianity.
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Honorable
written by Louis Farrakhan , November 07, 2012
Why are Muslims soooo ignorant?

Do they study to get that way or is it a gift from Allah.

The Quran for Dummies
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The five pillars
written by Yibel , November 09, 2012
The five pillars (Arabic arkan ud-Din, "pillars of the faith") are the five things which all Muslims MUST believe and practice. These are considered obligatory by the believers and are the foundation of the ummah. The arkan ud-Din are mentioned individually throughout the Qur'an - and Muhammad listed them together in the aHadith when he was asked to define Islam.

Within a few decades of Muhammad's death, the five practices were singled out to serve as anchoring points in the Muslim community and fulfillment of the Five Pillars is believed to bring rewards both in this life and in the afterlife by TRUE Muslims. Apparently, Reed Wilson is not a true Muslim!

The pillars are acknowledged and observed by all sects of Muslims, although Shi'ites add further obligatory duties, including: jihad, payment of the imam's tax, the encouragement of good deeds and the prevention of evil.

for more info see www.religionfacts.com/islam/pr...illars.htm
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Yibel
written by fineliving56 , November 09, 2012
Non of the Muslims who post here regularly are real Muslims as Quran and Hadeeth and Sirah dictates … each have his own out look on it .

The website you provided say the same thing I said about that Salat is mentioned in different places in Quran and how it DOES tell Muslims to pray 5 times.

It is really funny, how, first they deny and call us liars becouse we report what Quran contain, and then they turn around, and say, Muslims CAN pray which ever they want depends on understanding of Quran.

It is a FACT that other Muslims overwhelmingly,SAY Muslims without a doubt ordered to pray 5 times a day and who ever does not perform one of the most important pillars in Islam, will diffidently go to Jahnnam.
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Day and YAUM.
written by Reed Wilson. , November 09, 2012
1proudkaffur4life. You write on November 01, 2012 " OK you say it is clear.
You mean to say that to you it is clear that in some passages a day by allah is 1.000 and in another it is 50.000 years?

Your questions, most the time, are valid and and aimed at learning. Quran has not used the English word 'day'. It rather uses the Arabic word يَوْمِ or YAUM if transliterated. Had it there been 'day' it was obviously ambiguouus as you said. The Arabic word يَوْمِ has several meanings. I copypaste below dictionary meanings of يَوْمِ for you.

Yeh, waw, miim
Yaum: means day: the time from sunrise to sunset: this word is used by the Arabs to mean a certain time or era: there is no distinction in it for day or night, morning or evening: it could mean an year or a century: a thousand years or even fifty thousand years: like with waqt and saa’at , after yaum ‘iz’ is added and yaumaizin almost means the same as waqtaizin and saataizin : * so, waqt, saa’a and yaum are nearly of the same meaning i.e. time: the plural of yaum is ayyaam: * Ibn Faaris says yaum means day : and he has also said that figuratively it means a great thing.
It also means government (power) and wealth **: tilkal ayyamu nuda wiluha bainan naas: 3:139 here ayyam means government and state: **.
Ayyam: also appears to mean the great and unforgettable events of history: like ayyamal Arb which means waqa’il Arb **: i.e. the events of Arabia: at various places in the Qur’an ayyamul laah has come to mean this: as wa zikrihum bi-ayyamillaah: 14:5

(Lughat ul Quran pp 1797)

I hope it is clear now. Please do ask if there is any further confusion.

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