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Inbreeding and Resulting Genetic Disorders in the Muslim Community, Part 2

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How close-blood marriages impact the IQ of offspring and a list of genetic diseases it sets off in them...


The extent of low IQ inbred people in Muslim community

When the 1st part of this article was posted in FFI, a reader commented that the story of Cain and Abel chasing their sister and killing of Abel by Cain is not in the Bible, but in some other book. I request to reader to open the Bible again to find the story in Genesis: 4:8-9.

Also to my mention that, in some special cases, Islam permits a Muslim man to marry his own daughter, one reader claimed, there is no such provision in Islam. In support of my claim, I have referred a video.

**The main thrust of the video is that Islam does not endorse a relation if it is outside marriage. To make his point, the commentator of the video says that, if a woman gives birth to a daughter out of adultery, then her legal father bears no relation with her. To him, such a daughter is no more than a whore. He can rape her, marry her or use her as a sex-slave. This clearly opens an opportunity for a Muslim to marry his own daughter if he likes so, simply by bringing an allegation against his wife that the daughter was borne out adultery, a charge which was very difficult for a woman to disprove until DNA tests became available in recent years.

He also refuses to believe my assertion that prophet Lot of Bible (aka Lut in Koran) slept with two daughters and made them pregnant. He said that the story is there in the Bible alone and not in the Koran. The reader does not that the Kalima Tahmid, the sixth kalmia makes it a binding for every Muslim to believe in and respect all other prophets, from Adam to Jesus Christ, who appeared before Muhammad, and hence Lut is also a prophet of Islam. So, it is not possible that there would be one story about Lot in the Bible and a separate story in the Koran.

Medical sciences have revealed many harmful effects of marriages between close relatives, such cousins, on the offspring. But Muslim clerics and mullahs refuse to believe those findings. They say that the cousin marriage has been sanctioned by Allah by revealing the verses 4:22-24. Hence the conclusions of the modern medical science are baseless, because, to them, Allah cannot sanction evil, immoral and harmful things. They consider such medical findings as nothing but attempts to vilify Islam and Allah.

What is the extent of such low IQ people in the Muslim community? A study by Danish psychologist Nicolai Sennels has revealed that about 70% of Pakistanis and 25-30% Turks are inbred (Jyllands-Posten, 27/2 2009 “More stillbirths among immigrants“). A rough estimate reveals that close to half of the people living in the Arab world are inbred. A large percentage of the parents that are blood related come from families where intermarriage has been a tradition for generations.[2] The Table-1 below shows the results of the investigation.

Table  1

Country

Percentage of incestuous  marriages

World

50

Pakistan

70

England

50 of Muslim immigrants from Pakistan

Denmark

40 of Muslim immigrants from Pakistan

Saudi Arabia

67

Jordan & Kuwait

64

Iraq

60

UAR & Qatar

54

Sudan

63

Percentage of consanguineous marriages – country-wise

The table shows that due to massive inbreeding in the Muslim community, there is about 50% of the world population of Muslims is inbred. Today, total Muslim population in the world is about 1.5 billion, and hence 750 million Muslims are low IQ stupid people having little interest in learning and creativity, and inclined to destruction, violence and criminal activity. Looking from their side of view, it is a boon for Islam and its clerics and mullahs. It needs low IQ people to swallow the most unscientific Islamic dogmas with raising any question whatsoever. It needs stupid people to believe in Islamic paradise, infested with millions virgin houries and pearly slave boys, called gilmans, for sexual indulgence of the blessed believers. It needs low IQ people to blow them up as suicide bombers to enter Allah’s five star brothel, called Islamic paradise.

Apart from that, it also needs low IQ people to accept a child molester pedophile, a super criminal rapist, an assassin, mass killer and a highway robber as a holy prophet. Only such low IQ people can project that super criminal prophet as the greatest man the world has ever seen. Also such low IQ people only can believe in a stupid God who says that: 1) the sky is a solid roof which he has fixed in position without pillar with the help of his extraordinary miraculous power or qudrah, 2) the sun is rotating round the earth which is flat like a carpet, 3) the stars are missiles kept ready to hit the Satan, 4) the sun sets in the west in a marshy pond, and 5) on the day of last judgment (qiyamah) he will bring the sun very close, less than a mile away from the earth.

Allah, a stupid God that he is, has fittingly opened the floodgate of creating low IQ followers, who would never question Islam and His stupidity will perpetuate.

Genetic diseases that result from incest

According to modern medical science, an inbred man or women may suffer from as many as 6000 ailments, arising out of genetic disorders linked to consanguineous marriages, starting from physical deformity, micro cephalous, lower IQ, mental retardation to kidney and liver malfunctioning and so on. But the most common diseases are Sickle-cell disease (SCD), or sickle-cell anaemia (SCA) or drepanocytosis sickle beta-plus-thalassaemia. In Pakistan, the problem of thalassemia is compounded by the high rate (over 75%) of consanguineous marriage, which increases the likelihood of marriages, in which both parts carries recessive faulty genes, which become dominant in their offspring. Diabetes mellitus and other forms of diabetes mellitus include congenital diabetes, which is due to genetic defects of insulin secretion, cystic fibrosis-related diabetes, steroid diabetes induced by high doses of glucocorticoids, and several forms of monogenic diabetes. This author is neither a biologist nor a physician and hence he has no authority to describe these diseases in detail. But it can be said that a certain percentage of red-blood corpuscles (RBC) of an inbred attain sickle like shape and causes sickle-cell anaemia. This type of anaemia is prevalent in Saudi Arabia, where 67 to 70 percent marriages are consanguineous.

Sickle Cells
Transformation of healthy RBCs
into sickle cells
Deformation
Physical deformity due to
consanguineous marriage
close blood marriage induced Deformation
Physical deformity, resulting from
close-blood
marriage

There are so many Youtube videos on perilous effects of cousin marriages in the Muslim community. Ten such videos are listed below. [3] The videos (i) refers to four videos made by Kaspar Hauser, a few years ago, on cousin marriage in the Middle East. The videos say that children produced from consanguineous marriages have lower IQ than the children born out of unrelated parents. They are also more likely to suffer from ailments due to recessive genetic disorder. The video (i) also refers to an investigative report, submitted as a paper titled “Effects of Inbreeding on IQ and Mental Retardation” written by N E Morton (published on June 5, 1978). The paper says that, both decline of IQ and increase of mental retardation are consistent with rare recessive genetic diseases are linked to cousin marriage or marriage between close kin.

“A number of studies indicate that IQ declines and the frequency of mental retardation increases with inbreeding. In principle, polygene, rare recessive, or cultural factors could account for these results.  … This leads to inferences about the role of dominance deviations in family resemblance of IQ and about risks for mental retardation in offspring of consanguineous marriages”, the paper says. By allowing cousin marriage, Islam, in fact, is harming Muslims. When in a cousin marriage, one shares 12.5 per cent of DNA of the other, enhance the risk of mental retardation, lower IQ, birth defects, death in infancy and other genetic diseases of the offspring, the paper asserts.

The video (i) discusses another paper “The Effect of Consanguineous Marriages on Reading Disability in the Arab Community”, by Salim Abu-Rabia and Lateefeh Maroun of the Faculty of Education, University of Haifa, Haifa 31905, Israel. The authors have experimented with 814 students of 4th, 5th and 6th grades, using word recognition and reading comprehensive tests. Two experimental groups were chosen from this population. These were a reading disabled group of 22 pupils who were born out of 1st cousin marriage and the other contained pupils from unrelated parents. Investigation revealed that depressed IQ, reading disability, mental retardation and birth defects are more common among the pupils born out of close-blood marriages. First cousin marriage for generation after generation, as practiced in the Muslim community, produces chronic genetic illness, birth defects and death. Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have the highest of cousin marriage in the world with 70-75% and 67-70%, respectively.

The video “Muslim Cousin Marriage 1” exposes a shocking picture of the Akhtar family, arising out of first cousin marriage. The son Mohsin Akhtar (17), second of the six children, is a patient of severe mental retardation. He cannot speak except groaning. He cannot walk without a helper. He cannot feel what is going around him. Doctors believe that the genetic disease, from which he is suffering is destroying him from inside. Mohsin’s two youngest sisters called Hena (13) and Zena (11), father Akhtar’s fourth and 5th children, are also victims of similar genetic disorder. One of them has severe eyesight and hearing problems in addition to mental retardation. Zena is also a patient of mental retardation. She also has inherited similar disease as Mohsin.

The family has immigrated to UK from Pakistan and living in Birmingham. All the six children of Akhtar have acquired the same disease as Mohsin is suffering from. The doctor treating them says, Muslim children born out of close-blood have 10 times higher chances to be affected with diseases linked to genetic disorder. He also said that the children of many families, immigrated from Bangladesh and Pakistan, are suffering from congenital kidney and liver ailments, linked to consanguineous marriages.

Conclusion

While the entire world is convinced that incestuous close-blood marriages are harmful and should be stopped, Muslim clerics refuse to agree, and say that all such medical reports are concocted. Their argument: Since Allah has permitted Muslims to marry their first cousins, it can not be harmful. But there are some good news as well. Qatar is going to ban the Allah-sanctioned cousin-marriage. It is going to implement a mandatory blood test for both the bride and the groom, before marriage and to disallow marriage if the blood samples are found to contain same DNA.

Danish psychologist Nicolas Sennels has done considerable research of Muslim psyche and the bad effects of consanguineous marriage in their community. We hope to discuss his works in the next article.

 


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no growth area
written by anders , April 08, 2012
When I was young I stayed on my uncle's farm one summer holiday.. It had a grove of pine trees. I oberved that underneath the pine trees nothing grew. This was because the grove was "poisoned" by the pine needles/pine sap.
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muslims will never elarn...the lure of 72 virgins is too much
written by HARKAT UL JIHAD EI KAFIROON , April 09, 2012



muslims will never learn the lure of 72 viryins in imaginary paradise is too much.
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Hinduism Permits Child Rape
written by Wolf , April 09, 2012
Manu 9:94. A man, aged thirty years, shall marry a maiden of twelve who pleases him, or a man of twenty-four a girl eight years of age; if (the performance of) his duties would (otherwise) be impeded, (he must marry) sooner.
Vishnu Purana III:10 If he marry,he must select a maiden who is of a third his age,one who has not too much hair,but is not without any,one who is not very black or yellow complexioned and who is not from birth a cripple or deformed...”

Mahabharata XLIV (p.18)A person of thirty years of age should wed a girl of ten years of age called a Nagnika. Or, a person of one and twenty years of age should wed a girl of seven years of age.

Baudhayana:Prasna 4:Adhyaya1
11. Let him give his daughter, while she still goes naked, to a man who has not broken the vow of chastity and who possesses good qualities, or even to one destitute of good qualities; let him not keep (the maiden) in (his house) after she has reached the age of puberty”


Sacred Laws of Arya:Gautama 18:21. A girl should be given in marriage before (she attains the age of) puberty
22.He who neglects it, commits sin
23.Some (declare, that a girl shall be given in marriage) before she wears clothes.

1000 child sex slaves
Mahabharata 1:CCXXII And he of eyes like lotus-petals also gave unto them a thousand damsels well-skilled in assisting at bathing and at drinking, young in years and virgins all before their first-season, well-attired and of excellent complexion, each wearing a hundred pieces of gold around her neck, of skins perfectly polished, decked with every ornament, and well-skilled in every kind of personal service.

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Brahmacharu
written by Muslim and proud , April 09, 2012
Brahmu,

Why don't we check with the experts as opposed to hatemongers like yourself?

Most babies born to first-cousins are healthy, according to Professor Alan Bittles, an adjunct professor at the Centre for Comparative Genomics at Murdoch University. He has spen 30 YEARS researching marriage of first cousins.

Here is a link to some of his findings:

http://www.perthnow.com.au/kis...1116504749

His conclusion: MOST babies born to first cousins ARE HEALTHY.

Case closed.
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wolf
written by vbv , April 09, 2012
What about christian Bible ? Adam and Eve are brother and sister - their children are a product of incest . What about Lot drinking and debauching with his two daughters from whom the tribes of maobites and amobites came about , or in the book of Genesis where Judas sleeping with his own daughter in law ? Or the many sexacapdes of Solomon "the wise" ? And all this is supposed to be the "word of 'God'" and also the acts of "god's" chosen people ,his socalled prophets and patriarchs. Are you emulating these worthies ? You claim to be the sons and daughters of thsi Adam and Eve , what an immoral beginning ? Hahahahahahahahaa!
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VBV
written by Clement-Islam-Watch Pastor , April 09, 2012
Here you come again. The Bible is not like any other book. Is a revelation from God. Before the law incest was no sin. The law is what gave power to sin. At the time of Ignorant God over look but expected everyone to repent when the truth of God's Law or word is known.

It is true that the first generation of human married their blood sisters to sustain the generation. Most of the first generation human were destroyed by the flood except Noah and his family.

God expect that when the light of His word is made known people should abide and obey his law. Incest is not permitted now and is a sin.That is the uniform teaching of the Bible.
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Harakat
written by Malem , April 09, 2012
There is no such reference in the Quran about 72 virgins, although refrenced by many people randomly without any reserach on their part, much like you have done. Marrying first cousins has been done for ions without issues, and it is NOT an Islamic phenomenon, rather bore out of protection of bloodlines, tribal reasons, religious reasons. The overzealous title of inbreeding was only done to attact attention and try to disparage Islam.
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malem pls swaer on koran there is no reference to virgins and wine in jannat
written by HARKAT UL JIHAD EI KAFIROON , April 09, 2012


malem pls sware on koran there is no reference to virgins and wine in imaginary jannat.
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Ha ha ha!
written by Rzq , April 09, 2012
Here you come again. The Bible is not like any other book. Is a revelation from God.
No its not! Its a bunch of saying by dudes who never net the dude.
Before the law incest was no sin.
Exactly what law does the new testament bring???
At the time of Ignorant God
Superb pastor "ignorant god" sounds like the bible is still there!!!
No instincts were given by this "ignorant god" haha

It is true that the first generation of human married their blood sisters to sustain the generation. Most of the first generation human were destroyed by the flood except Noah and his family.

God expect that when the light of His word is made known people should abide and obey his law. Incest is not permitted now and is a sin.That is the uniform teaching of the Bible.
Really? Where firs it say do no commit incest in the bible???
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RZQ
written by Clement-Islam-Watch Pastor , April 09, 2012
"Superb pastor "ignorant god" sounds like the bible is still there!!! "

which ignorant god? I thought Mohammed taught you that we are serving the same God. So Allah is an ignrant god. Thanks for the revelation.

"Really? Where firs it say do no commit incest in the bible???"

If you want to know whether God forbid incest or not read here Lev 18:6-20


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M&P advocate for inbreeding
written by pipo , April 09, 2012
"His conclusion: MOST babies born to first cousins ARE HEALTHY."

YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS!...I cannot imagine that such a research was done to advocate or defend inbreeding...and in the case of successive inbreeding the #% of healthy babies would decline rapidly...you don't need a Professor to figure that out.
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Islam supports genetical Deterioration
written by Gnostic , April 09, 2012
A main force behind the evolution of all beings is not only the fight in order to survive but also the fight in order to find a partner. Islam is doing anything to rule that out. Women have to wear a veil and even men are very often clothed similar in order not to show themselves. The reason behind this behaviour is that the family wants to find the best partner for economic and other reason. It is also difficult to find a partner because it is forbidden to flirt in islamic countries.

Therefore, islamic women dont look who might be the best partner who might be the most strong, intelligent or attractive one. The same applies to the man. ANd both do nothing in order to appear attractive, they both become fat without caring care. However, they produce as much children as they can and there is a high probability that their children will be much below average in terms of IQ, strength and health.

Islam is the religion that helps the stupid to survive and to reproduce themselves! How nice!
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@M&P
written by Proud Infidel , April 09, 2012
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...."case closed"

That's all you have to offer. You make a comment, then say case closed? It's your way or no way, right?

You're lacking in the art of debate. No...actually, you have no debating skills at all. You're a bully that always has to be right.

It's Muslims with that holier-than-though attitude like yours that make others dislike them.
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To muslim brothers
written by honest reader , April 09, 2012
some of my muslim brothers giving quotes form hindu/christina scriptures.
but remember they are not following those things anymore.
But muslims still stick to those.
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Islamic Inbreeding
written by Gnostic , April 09, 2012
Many western scholars are really surprised that so many muslims and even muslim scholars believe in what the quran says. That god makes the winds and that they are sings for the people like day and night and who does not believe in this will go to hell. Even scholars with doctor degree believe in such things in the islamic world as well as in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion which are nothing but trash! If even socalled scholars believe in such trash, what about the average muslim, hey?

What about you, Stupid & Proud? Do you believe that you were made of dirt and then of clot which in turn was made from sperm gushed out from your daddys backbone? Do you really believe in this? And did you ever make a test in order to assess your IQ?

Why aer the illiterate rates so high in the muslim world? And why are there more jewis nobel prize winners than muslims? And why are there hardly any muslims who ever got anything in international sports contests? In any country in the world muslims have the worst marks and the most dropouts while other foreigners match the requirements. In the muslim world people are regarded as scholars if they memorize a book. In all other countries we would say he is stupid wasting his time!
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Inbreeding
written by balam , April 09, 2012
Hindus and Muslims have one thing in common.They both have common pagan roots.The Holy Bible does not cover the frailty of human beings and records every thing honestly.PENIS is a hindu god which the hindu women kiss and worship.There is hardly any difference in Kama Sutra and Muslim quran and Hadiths.Mohammad's first cousin Ali married Fatima who was his niece.That is Immoral and incest.Only the animals do that sort of things who have no conscience like Muslims.No wonder,the Muslims and Hindues have not produced any Inventors but only SEX MECHANICS.
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balam
written by Dwito , April 09, 2012
Paganism is not the root of Hinduism. Paganism was a branch of it.
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Harakat
written by Malam , April 09, 2012
As I stated, there is NO mentioned of 72 Virgins in the Quran, you are 100% Wrong. If you wish to prove otherwise post the verse.
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Muslim and Proud or M&P or PM (& Not Prime Minister or who knows!!) = Pathetically Maniac
written by Dwito , April 09, 2012
Brahmu,
Why don't we check with the experts as opposed to hatemongers like yourself?

He didn't know that Prof. Alan Bittles has won the certificate of being the only expert in this field.

Most babies born to first-cousins are healthy, according to Professor Alan Bittles, .......................

Yes, we must admit. His success of research represents yourself.

Here is a link to some of his findings:................

We already keep getting the link. Here it is :
http://www.muslimandproud.unlimited.iw/last6months..............

His conclusion: MOST babies born to first cousins ARE HEALTHY.

I already admitted it. Your health(mental) established it beyond doubt.
Case closed.
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Inbreeding
written by Gnostic , April 09, 2012
In Saudi Arabia any employer is keen to hire only foreigners because he knows that saudi people have the worst education which conssts only of relgion, because they are only bigot uand superstitious and have no idea how to work, because they are stupid and lazy and all suffering from diabetes and genetical deseases with bad blood and no energy.

But hey, there is one things muslims are really first in the world: No religion produces more suicide bombers and many of them are very, very stupid and suffering from genetical deseases and abused by their islamic leaders! Are there any things worse than that? Islmaists teach that it is a sin to shake hands with somebdy with differnt gender but it is halal to beat ones wife or to kill innocent civilians. Boko Haram, Al Qaeda and all the other terrorosts - thea all read the quran and believe in it!
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Balam.
written by Dwito , April 09, 2012
Balam, I'm sorry I didn't read your post completely. I was more tempted to take M&P. However, after finishing him I found your full post and think to share a few words on it.

Hindus and Muslims have one thing in common.They both have common pagan roots.

I already expressed my view on it.

The Holy Bible does not cover the frailty of human beings and records every thing honestly.

Those who have a little brain to think rationally and independently, knows the answer.

PENIS is a hindu god which the hindu women kiss and worship.

The word LINGA has derived from POOLINK STROTRAS. Another explanation is, it represents the symbol of creation. The dumbs think in a simple way of visual resemblance. Clearly ignorance fuels these sort of knowledge.

There is hardly any difference in Kama Sutra and Muslim quran and Hadiths.

Kama Sutra is a medical book widely appreciated by doctors worldwide. This is a major source of knowledge for marriage counselors, family problem counselors as well as sociologists who work on family turmoils.
Could you pl explain me exactly what is there in that book that is vulgar?
however, what is common in these two (KM and Muslim Q&H)?

Mohammad's first cousin Ali married Fatima who was his niece.That is Immoral and incest.

Morality depends upon time and society. Bathing naked is normal in European beaches, but haram in Arabian beaches. What will you take as final?

Only the animals do that sort of things who have no conscience like Muslims.

You are hundred percent right here in all respect. Muslims are human look alike only, but differs from the basic condition of being a human being, the independent capability of thinking power.

No wonder,the Muslims and Hindues have not produced any Inventors but only SEX MECHANICS.

Ohhh!!!! boy, come to sense. The science you braggart of today, is a gift of Hindu wisdom. Do I need to mention?
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Gnostic
written by Malem , April 09, 2012
Incorrect, the reason they hire foreign workers is the same reason all countries do LOW PAY. Saudi's are well known for this and the employers hold the workers papers as ransom to drive the pay even lower.
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Bible Genesis: 4:8-9.
written by Yibel , April 09, 2012
And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him. And the Lord said said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And cain said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?

The story says NOTHING about a sister! This is about murder most foul due to sibling rivalry. Jealousy, plain and simple. This was followed by lying to cover up the evil deed. And then Cain declares that one human is Not responsible for the condition of another human being! God declares this to be a wrong attitude through His Holy Words as brought forth by His prophets in the Bible.
As Yah'shua/Jesus said:
For man does not live by bread (The Torah) alone, but by every word that flows from the mouth of god (The Prophets of the Bible).
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written by Nisky , April 09, 2012
If you follower of pedophile terrorist prophet mohammad, still want to marry your cousins it is up to you as long as you stay out of the infidels land you don't get to come here to contamenate our gene pool here in the west.
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written by Salladin , April 09, 2012
They need infidel lands. Their own lands are bankrupt when it comes to live a happy and constructive life. Why do you think the west is full of muslims! Many fled their homecountry wether economical, political or whatever. The west is better than any musim country except when you're rich. Does any bell ring!
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Re: Malem
written by Gnostic , April 09, 2012
It is not only about wages. All employers want phillipinos because they work harder and even in ramadan and they dont need to pray five times a day. They have a good education and no hulabula. The same everywhree in the arab world. Even in poor countries with lower wages companies like to use foreigners or they hire foreign companies for constructions etc. On the other hand, there are hardly any interantional car or electronic companies which produce in muslim countries. It just doesnt work at all with praying, ramadan and gender segregation, bad education, superstition and no idea how to work. In Malaysia the chinese are doing the business while the malays need protection in their own home countries. They just cant keep up with international competition,
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Gnostic
written by Malem , April 09, 2012
No its money driven, period. Praying has nothing to do with, I have several friends who own large firms in Saudi, pure money. Sort of like the west with Mexicans, they can except them to pick the farms, and do labor intense work as long as they can pay them a few dollars. There is no international Car companies in Cuba? Or Kenya or Greec or Iceland...that argument is foolish, but you knew that. As for praying a few times during work hours it is less that the typical westerner takes for smoking breaks and much less than the 7 weeks vacation you get in France.
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Dwito & Infidel
written by Muslim and proud , April 09, 2012
Infidel:

That's all you have to offer. You make a comment, then say case closed? It's your way or no way, right?

You're lacking in the art of debate. No...actually, you have no debating skills at all. You're a bully that always has to be right.


The research carried out by the Professor who has studied this subject for 30 years is sufficient evidence. You can continue to debate until you find something better to do. The author of this article, surprisingly enough, presented one side of the story...........I presented the other side. Case closed.

Dwito:

You seem to be talking sh*t........
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@M&P
written by Proud Infidel , April 09, 2012
Too late M&P. You're like the boy who cried wolf. You've been a thug bully crying to get his way for so long that you'll have to work much longer and much harder to convince anyone of anything.

You're a stain on Islam and an overall crappy example of a Muslim.
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Muslim and proud
written by Dwito , April 09, 2012
You seem to be talking sh*t.

Because there is nothing other than that in your brain.
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pussy galore for the lustful- wives do not apply!
written by anders , April 09, 2012
"Malam

As I stated, there is NO mentioned of 72 Virgins in the Quran, you are 100% Wrong. If you wish to prove otherwise post the verse. "

There are virgins mentioned though (houris) for Allah rewards lust. Any knowledgable Muslim will know the number 72 comes from other very old Islamic writngs.
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Re: Malem
written by Gnostic , April 10, 2012
I know that in Algeria all the construction is done by chines, south koreans and turkish companies with their own stuff while the local unemployment rate is extremely high even with wages ranging very low. Maybe its not only about inbreeding but also about peace and stability.

Do you remember the revolutions in eastern europe 20 years ago? There was absolutely nobody killed in almost all communist countries. In contrast, in Lybia, Egypt and of course, Syria, they are still killing each other with unbelievable brutality. It is because muslims believe in revenge and violence.
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written by Salladin , April 10, 2012
Look at Syria right now as we speak. The God of Abraham is right. Ishmael and his offspring are wild donkey's of men. Their hand will fight others and others will fight them. How true can Yahweh be sometimes. Wild man of a donkey sais the god of Abraham. Muslims believe they worshipp the same God. Hahaha. Do they little know what the God of Abraham thinks of arabs.
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balam
written by vbv , April 10, 2012
What is Yahweh ? A pagan spook of the jews. Jews , in the ancient days when they were slaves and doing menial chores for the Egyptiansand Babylonians, just adopted the concept of monotheism fro an older culture that is known as "zoroastrianism" . Yahweh ,otherwise , is an impotent spook - a no do-gooder, a malevolent freak , a vengeful dick , a megalomaniac , a spook with a miniscule brain and a gargantuan mouth to male tall claims and false promises. This spook is immoral , sectarian with prejudice against anyone who dare to question him. What is all this but the trait of a primitive pagan deity ? Certainly not a universal deity that is spiritual and moral. Yahweh is impotent in every sense of the word - he is sex-starved , and that is why he banishes Adam and Eve who have sex behind his back. This spook can hardly be called an omnipotent 'god' when people can do things without his knowledge - even the instance of Satan masquerading as aserpent in the socalled garden of Eden , or Cain murdering his brother Abel ,etc. All this goes to show that the whole of Bible is a big BULLSHIT , a pack of lies and fabrications by a bunch of tribal nuts.What philosophy emanates from the Bible other than submit slavishly and unquestioningly to the bunch of lies or be consigned to some imaginery "hell". Can you call this anything but tribal paganism of a lonely and desolate spook who demands respect and slavish submission - the trait of any tyrant , not that of a socalled 'god'.
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balam
written by vbv , April 10, 2012
There is nothing common between hinduism and islam . But islam , judaism and christianity are all called Abrahamic faiths. You cannot deny this fact. Abraham , Moses, Noah Solomon,etc are mythical nuts of judaism ,which is the oldest of the three, are accepted as 'prophets' by both islam and christianity. Yahweh is the 'god' in christianity , while Yahweh is displaced by Allah in islam ,though the traits of Yahweh is adopted to the arab pagan deity.Islam has nothing in common with hinduism. There are no spiritual values in abrahamic cults but just "believe or perish" or submit unquestioningly to the moronic and idiotic diktats or be consigned to some imaginery "hell".
Whereas hinduism is not an invention of a partticular man like Abraham, Muhamad,or Jesus. There is no particular founder to which it can be traced. People of spiritual leanings have always been attracted by its various strands of beliefs and disbeliefs without any claim of exclusivity like judaism ,christianity or islam. It has given birth to yoga, ayurveda, various philosophies in the Upanishads , like Nyaya,Samkhya, Advaita, Dvaita, Vishishtadvata,etc . These philosophies may disagree with each other but do call call for the blood of those who disagree. Infact atheism is also accepted as a philosophy , for the charavakas were contemporanous with the vedic rishis, and they were not murdered for their disbeliefs. People of other faiths came to India and were not persecuted or massacred. The zoroastrians who came to India over a tghousand years ago still practice their religion ,so do the muslims, or the jews who came to India first over 2,000 years ago, or the Bahais ,or for that matter even christian St.Thomas who came round 2,000 years ago. You cannot say the same for christian and islamic countries who went around the world leavving a trail of genocides, destruction of indegenous cultures and civilisations and forcible conversions.
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balam
written by vbv , April 10, 2012
In hinduism there is no such thing as blasphemy and apostasy for which a person can be severely persecuted and put to death like in islam ,judaism and christianity ( like they did in the middle ages burning 'heretics' in europe) . We are free to disagree or reject the concept of "god". What does monotheism breed ? It breeds intolerance , calls for arbitrary murder or torture into submission of blasphemers or apostates. It is always "my way is the only way , your way is no way" for monotheistic cults. It breeds tyrants and gives 'divine right' to the monarchs and fuedal ords and autocrats who are always hand in hand with the clergy , be popes, bishops, cardinals, padres, mullahs, imams, ayatollahs etc. Polytheism allows difference of opinion and democracy. Polytheism is far more tolerant and can foster true democracy . All great civilisations were polytheistic like ancient Egypt, Greece, Rome, Celts, Persians, Assyrians, Indians, Incas, Mayans, Chinese, Japanese,,etc. And all of them except Indian, Chinese ,Japanese and far eastern cultures were all destroyed by the fanatic nuts of the Abrahamic faiths , that islam and christianity. Infact in Niorh America ,especially the USA nothing is left of the original inhabitants who were systematically massacred by the socalled 'pioneers' and their lands usurped . That is christianity for you. Not to speak of the torture and murder of the Incas king and his people by the spaniards who not only robbed him of his gold but also took over their lands. So much for the padres who accompanied these spanish mercenaries ! Look at your own dark and evil history before you cast aspersion on a culture and civilisation that has stood the onslaught of thousands of invasions and massacres over the last 2,500 years , and leading to partitioning by islam.
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vbv
written by Dwito , April 10, 2012
A very good post. Thank you VBV.
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written by Salladin , April 10, 2012
Great VBV, that's indeed what abrahamic religions have in common. They are only fit for the feeble minded (read stupid) as Einstein once said or wrote.
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gnostic and anders
written by malem , April 10, 2012
Saudis use foregin cheap workers NOT because of their own people being Muslims (in fact most of the foreign workers are Muslim!) It is done for cheap labor.

Anders: you are not reading posts fully. It was asserted that Islam somehow promises 72 virgins, I stated to show me the post. Like most on her you came back with no proof and toss other subjects into the mix with the hope it will diffuse your initial claim. Didn't work, it was a false claim that anywhere in the Quran it promises 72 virgins. As I have recommended before you might want to crack the Quran open and read it before making baseless claims
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malem
written by vbv , April 10, 2012
Saudis and other arabs use labour and skilled and educated people from other countries because the arabs lack the education ,the professional skills, the culture of work ethics . They are indolent and know only slave-driving , marrying and divorcing women like use and throw commodities, unskilled, lazy, lack of profesional education ,and arrogance that they are Allah's chosen people. The money they get is from oil, and oil is required by the civilised world to meet their energy requirements. What would these bedouins do if they did not havec oil ? They would be living in tents, tending camels , their economy would depend on the money coming in from the haj 'pilgrims' to Mecca and other places. Infact these chaps would not be able to export their barbaric cult of islam ,especialyy the ultra-orthodox types . They would be dependent on the largesse given by the western countries like in the case of Egypt or Pakistan , or they will be as brutally savage like the sudanes, somalians and the like , not that they are any less barbaric now. Islam would be a dying cult with so much of backwardness and lack of money to push its evil and nefarious agenda. That is what future holds for islam and the arabs once they run out of oil ,which is depleting anyway , in another 50 to 70 years.
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Challange for change
written by Honest Reader , April 10, 2012
Any religion is just a ABC. it can not lead you to real spirituality. And those only
follow books (any holy book ) are become narrow minded.

Real spirituality has no religion , race or region.

Now if you dare to explore it go and listen or read any one from the following link

www. satsangteachers.com or http://www.satsangteachers.com/links.aspx for all of your questions and doubts.

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Wrong
written by Dwito , April 10, 2012
No Honest Reader, every religion is not just ABC or just so so. Religion plays a major role on development of outlook towards life and society. So Religion has a very important role in formation of ones life and thus society. A good prosperous society can not develop without developing good personality. Thus nurturing a good religion is a must for a better social structure. Look at the major nations of this world. Besides many malfunction, all developed nations poses an enviable history of statesmen developed from suitable social structure. So, instead of blaming religions for some anti religious falsehoods, put your effort for embracing better religions. Only a good religion could bring you the answer to today's social problems.
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Dwitto
written by Mozambique , April 10, 2012

My friend Dwitto what is a religion? to start with you must believe in a god? then other super natural beings like jinns angels devil etc etc. Do you think believing in these supernaturals make you a good human.

I would say NO. all we need is our brain and not to harm anyone else. do you think people who do not believe in religion are not good people?

i do not believe in any religion and i do not have any difficulty in running a peaceful and successful life.

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VBV
written by Malem , April 10, 2012
It is unfortunate how much you do not know on the Saudi's and it is evident in your false claims. They use foreign labor for the same reason other countries do, it is cheap. Nothing to do that they cannot get the labor force locally, rather it is easier to bring in cheap foreign workers, shove them into crowded unconditioned trailers, pay them 1% of what you would normally pay and if they push back, ship them off and get a replacement or threaten them. That is the real case, Ive seen it with my own eyes. You have a lot to learn.
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ABC of Religion
written by honest reader , April 10, 2012
when you think - what was there before your birth and what will be there after your death ?

Then comes Religion in fact its not religion but it becomes religion. How?

Simple was there any christian before Jesus Christ? or any Muslim before Mohammad?
The spiritual Leader show only the direction. You have to find your own way
to become christ or any other. You can not copy them. ( then there will be no meaning of your own existence)

But you try to follow them word by word without understanding its meaning and context. And that's how confusion and war starts.
Because most of the people on the planet have lost their spiritual individuality
and brain washed by so called religion.
Simple 7th century religion can not work in 21st century.
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Lot
written by Truthseeker , April 10, 2012
I would like to point out that Lot didnt KNOWINGLY sleep with his daughters; they made him pass out drunk and then did it.

BTW Balam, Moses, Noah, Solomon, etc etc are not "mythical nuts" as you so sptly put it, they were real people, and righteous men.
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to vbv
written by Yibel , April 10, 2012
First of all, there are 100s of millions of us Native Americans left in the Americas, from the tip of South America to Alaska.

Secondly, the polytheistic civilizations "like ancient Egypt, Greece, Rome, Celts, Persians, Assyrians, Indians, Incas, Mayans, Chinese, Japanese," were not democratic governments, except for Athens, Greece and Rome were the elite could vote. This is not democracy. It's an oligarchy.

The Romans conquered Greece. The Mayans were destroyed by the cannibalistic Aztecs of Mexico. The Assyrians were conquered by the Babylonians and then the Persian Empire. The Persian Empire was conquered by the Muslims. The Indians were conquered by the Muslims. The Muslims destroyed the Byzantine Empire. China was conquered by the communists. Japan was turned into a democracy by the Americans. Indian was turned into a democracy by the British. The Phillipines was turned into a democracy by the Americans. Germany was turned into a democracy by the Americans. France, and the rest of western Europe was saved from totalitarian Nazism by the Americans, and given democracy. Democracy exists in Mexico, Central America and south America because of the American Monroe Doctrine.

When has polytheism ever fostered true democracy?
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Yibel
written by Malem , April 10, 2012
There are less than 2 million left in the US today and that number is dwindling due to their poor health and living conditions as many are trapped on reservation lands. although you didnt mention that...mmmmm why?
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Infidel
written by Muslim and proud , April 10, 2012
You're a stain on Islam and an overall crappy example of a Muslim.


Do you really think I care as to what you think about what kind of muslim I am?

Get real.....
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Just go here
written by Tanstaafl jw , April 10, 2012
consang.net

Look at the maps.
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To Mozambique
written by Archpagan , April 10, 2012
Research conducted on surgical cases says that the patients having belief in God heal twice as quickly than those without a belief in the existence of God. Both society and the individual need some ideological plank, moral back-up and spiritual mooring for the sake of existence and well-being. If you do not believe in the existence of God, then if must be holding some idea of your creator or dispenser of your destiny etc. Linking your self with God/creator/dispenser of destiny is called spirituality which enormously helps in maintaining emotional balance in one's hours of travail. If you do not need any, I think you are 'God' himself.
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Consanguineous marriages.
written by Snake Oil Baron , April 10, 2012
When speaking of the safety of first cousin marriages it is important to distinguish between individual instances and situations where it is repeated again and again throughout the history of families. This second kind is what is often practiced in the cultures being discussed and is this form that is very dangerous and becomes more so over time--not just for those doing it but also for the general population as it affects gene frequency in the community at large. Research on the safety of such mating depends strongly on the nature of the intermarriage (occasional or repetitive) and should not be extrapolated to other forms.
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To Balam
written by Archpagan , April 10, 2012
Hinduism is Indian Paganism and Paganism is non-Indian Hinduism. I consider both as one and the same. Islam is the degenerated form of Arab Paganism while Christianity is the degenerated form of Roman Paganism (Mithraism). Both the two are made-up ones fashioned on ultra intolerant Abrahamic tradition.

Books such as Astadhyayi (aphorism on Grammar), Kamasutra (Sexology) and Arthasastra (Statecraft) were all secular books written during 600 BCE to 200 BCE. Europeans failed to produce comparable books before the 19th Century. Take off '0' from modern science and technology and you will understand the importance of the contribution of India to modern civilization.
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yibel
written by vbv , April 10, 2012
I am not talking of democracy but of free thinking , creativity and knowledge that made those civilisations. They were not trapped by the dogma of monotheism dictating the terms in evrything. Like opposing Copernicus's heliocentric solar system, imprisoning Galileo for holding the same view and prevent him from looking into space and at planets/stars etc chastising him for looking in "god's domain", burning of Edward Bruno and thousands of the socalled 'heretics' on stakes, etc. Muslims destroyed Taxila and Nalanda Universities in Indi awhich had existed atleast 2,000 years before muslim's ruled India. Their contention was that whatever is to be learnt is there in the Quran and all other s are heretical and 'haram'. It is pagan culture that produced Socrates, Plato,Aristotle, Pythogorus, Democritus,etc. The european renaissance owes it to them , otherwise they would still be in the dark ages witch-hunting and burning heretics all the time. The monotheistic cults do not permit free thinking and reasoning: for them the Biblical cosmology and creation bullshit is sacrosanct, the idiotic tales of Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel, Abraham, Moses, Noah ,etc over-rides everything else. Monotheism is despotic , intolerant nad violent. Polytheism is much better. It had democracy in ancient Greece, and also in parts of ancient India which were independent of monarchic rule. Chandra Gupta, Kautilya also speak of such systems ( known as panchayats, where members and leaders are elected and no 'divine' or 'royal' right is imposed) that even pre-existed the Nandas who was defeated by Chandra Gupta and his mentor Kautilya around the 4th century BCE. Polyhteismdid not cause wars like monotheism of the west Asia. The islam and christianity is a proselytising cults where wars are fought for the "glory" of their socalled "god" and the conquered people are forcibly converted to the monotheistic dogma, destroying their culture, desecrating and destroying their places of worship, brainwashing the conquered people into believing that they are inferior should they not become muslim or christian ( as the case may be), making them denigrate ,devalue and hate their ancient culture and religion , and making them subservient to a foreign church or ummah, like roman catholic, protestant, jehovah's witness, and various other denominations in christianity ; or in the case of islam sunni( and its various denominations like whabi, deobandi, barelvi,etc ) or shia, or Quaidayani, Bohras, ahmediyas and whatnot. Is there any peace even amongst themselves ? No they have dissensions, mutual contempt with who is more fundamental and holier than thou attitudes. It is ridiculous ,absurd and sheer nonsense fighting over a lonely spook , who has no other work than to poke his nose in the mundane affairs of human beings, expecting slavish submission and spreading violence and hatred on those who refuse to recognize this imaginery spook called Yahweh/Allah/God.
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yibel
written by vbv , April 10, 2012
The original ihabitants in the USA is almost decimated , with very few of them living on the margins in notified areas or reserves. The christians have fleeced the country and still doing so ,while these native american indian have no stake in the governance of the country , but to live as some animal species that are protected from extinction and living on subsistence level till they are gradually subject to extinction. I am sure you would have made the few natives also "christians" to stay alive. That is monotheism for you.
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malem
written by vbv , April 10, 2012
I agree with you that they get very cheap labour from the asian countries. But still the fact remains that these arabs are by no means very educated, dexterous, or highly skilled , doctors, engineers, or other professionals.They are indolent and arrogant rascals that treat the asians like dirt , while they bow and scrape their noses before western europeans and the americans.While much of the asian labour are muslims , yet they are discriminated against. So much for islam and its botherhood of muslim ummah !
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@M&P
written by Proud Infidel , April 10, 2012
"Do you really think I care as to what you think about what kind of muslim I am? "

Therein lies your biggest problem. If you had any inkling of how bully muslims like you were thought of as insignificant, you'd be surprised. But you're too wrapped up in your "i'm always right" attitude to see past your rose colored glasses.
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Blasphemy in Hinduism
written by Wolf2 , April 11, 2012
n hinduism there is no such thing as blasphemy and apostasy for which a person can be severely persecuted and put to death like in islam ,judaism and christianity ( like they did in the middle ages burning 'heretics' in europe)"

DEATH TO BLASPHEMERS
Rg Veda 6:LXXII:1. GREAT is this might of yours, Indra and Soma: the first high exploits were your own achievements.Ye found the Sun ye found the light of heaven: ye killed all darkness and the Gods’ blasphemers.

Ath.Veda 12:5:60 O Cow, break thou the head of him who wrongs the Brāhmans,criminal, niggard, blasphemer of the Gods.

Ath. Veda 5:18:8 His voice an arrow's neck, his tongue a bowstring, his windpipes fire-enveloped heads of arrows,With these the Brāhman pierces through blasphemers, with God-sped bows that quell the hearts within them.

Atharva Veda 11:2:21 Covet not thou our kine or men, covet not thou our goats or sheep.Elsewhither,strong One! turn thine aim: destroy the mockers' family.

Bhagavata Purana SB:4:4:17 Sati continued: If one hears an irresponsible person blaspheme the master and controller of religion, one should block his ears and go away if unable to punish him. But if one is able to kill, then one should by force cut out the blasphemer's tongue and kill the offender, and after that one should give up his own life.


Blasphemers will cook in hell for as long as sun & moon exists (Scientists say sun will exist for another 6 billion years)
Brahmavaivarta Purana 4.1.61. The pious credits earned in a hundred births are at once destroyed for they who blaspheme Lord Krsna or His saintly devotee.
62 They are cooked in the terrible hell called Kumbhipaka. They are eaten by worms for as long as the sun and moon exist.
63 Simply by seeing such a blasphemer all one’s piety is destroyed. If he sees him, a wise man bathes in the Ganga or glances at the sun, and in that way becomes purified.

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Death to those that reject Vedas & the Godless
written by Wolf2 , April 11, 2012
Vishnu Purana 3:17 (p.337) This deceptive vision shall wholly beguile the Daityas,so that, being led astray from the path of the Vedas, they may be put to death; for all gods, demons, or others, who shall be opposed to the authority of the Veda,shall perish by my might, whilst exercised for the preservation of the world.

Don't speak to infidels
Vishnu Purana 3:18 (p.343)In consequence of the fault committed by Śatadhanu, by speaking to an infidel when he was engaged in a solemn fast, he was born again as a dog.

Manu 4:163. Let him avoid atheism, cavilling at the Vedas, contempt of the gods,hatred, want of modesty, pride, anger, and harshness.

Slay godless foes
Atharva Veda 11:2:23 Homage be paid him with ten Sakvari verses who stands established in the air's mid-region, slaying non-sacrificing God-despisers!

Rig Veda 7:93:5 When two great hosts, arrayed against each other, meet clothed with brightness, in the fierce encounter.Stand ye beside the godly, smite the godless; and still assist the men who press the Soma.

Ath Veda 4:30:5 I bend the bow for Rudra that his arrow may strike and slay the hater of devotion.I rouse and order battle for the people,
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Balam
written by Wolf2 , April 11, 2012
There's every kind of evil in the hindu scriptures,from genocide to rape,pedophilia,slavery,plunder,human sacrifices & even incest.It took me months to compile them in my blog and I'm busy putting them up on you tube where others can view them too.
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Native American Stats for US
written by Yibel , April 11, 2012
According to 2010 US Census, those who are Native American and Alaska Natives alone number 3.08 million of the total US population of 304 million, or 1.01 percent of the nation's entire population. At the present time there are 564 federally recognized tribes. Those who are Native American alone or in combination with other races measure as 4.86 million individuals, or 1.60 percent of the nation's entire population. The Native population continues to grow yearly. The Census Bureau projects that American Indian and Alaska Natives will reach 5 million individuals by 2065. The tribe with the largest population base, as of 2010, was the tribe of Navajo people with 307,555 individuals, followed by the Cherokee tribe with 262,224 individuals. (BTW, there were only about 16,000 Cherokees in 1840). In third and fourth are the Lakota (Sioux) tribe and Objibwa (Chippewa) tribe with 114,047 individuals
and 107,322 individuals, respectively. The remainder of the Native American tribes have populations below one hundred thousand. This does not account for those who do not have specified tribes or are of multiple races.

The median household income for Native Americans was $31,799 according to the 2000 census. This was higher than for African-Americans ($28,679), not statistically different from Hispanics ($31,703) and lower than for non-Hispanic Whites ($45,514), and Asians and Pacific Islanders ($52,553).

The poverty rate for American Indians and Alaska Natives is, based on a 1998/2000 average, 25.9 percent. This rate was not statistically different from the rates for African Americans and Hispanics, but was higher than those for non-Hispanic Whites, and Asians and Pacific Islanders.

The number of Native American and Alaska Native owned businesses in the United States in 1997 was 197,300. These businesses employed 298,700 people and generated $34.3 billion in revenues. They made up 0.9 percent of the nation's 20.8 million non-farm businesses and 6.5 percent of its 3.0 million minority-owned firms. 27 percent of these firms are owned by women. 11 percent of all the firms in Alaska are owned by American Indians and Alaska Natives as of 1997. 34 percent of the Native American firms are located in four states: California (26,600), Texas (15,700), Oklahoma (15,100) and Florida (10,500). www.census.gov
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To Archpagan
written by Mozambique , April 11, 2012

My friend Archpagan..there is difference between Believing in a God and believing in a Religion!!

Its ok to believe in a God if it gives you healing power. Not to believe in a Religion does not mean necessarily not to believe in a God. I do not understand why people believe religions are from a God???
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Concept of God
written by Mozambique , April 11, 2012
Dear Archpagan

Just imagine millions of years back humans were so fragile and scared to the nature and at the same time their intelligence not improved enough to understand natural accourings. (even today you will find such humans on earth).

this fear of natural phenomenons like e.g lightening, storms, clouds, rains, earthquackes etc etc will automatically make an illiterate START believing in an unvisible power out there. (they started calling him God). If bad happens they would say god is angry..if good happens they would say god is happy. at the same time they created a Devil or a Shaitan who is trying to take them away from God thus making god angry.

a modern human is less likely to be scared of these phenomenon as he can devise methods for his protection against these destructive natural phenomenon rather than referring these to a God or a Devil.

I personally may believe in a God until proven otherwise ( and i seek help from him in case) but i say big NO to religions.
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wolf
written by vbv , April 11, 2012
There is no such thing as blasphemy in hinduism. That is a fact. You are only mistranslating and misinterpreting some scriptures that are very ancient ,like the Rig Veda, whose meanings were lost even during the time of Yaska ( 800BCE) and any translation by an european is prejudicial and with the ulterior motive to debu=nk hinduism and convert them to christianity. That was the agenda of the 19thcentury socalled indologists like Max Muller, Ralph Grifith, etc and that prejudice continues to this day with the likes of Wendy O Doniger. Can you cite any historical i98nstance like the purging of 'heretics' by the christian fanatics in the middle ages ? The UK has Blasphemy law even today. In India we do not have any blasphemy law and in its history no was persecuted or killed because of their beliefs. Otherwise Saivism, Shaktism, Vaishnavism , as well as Budhism ,Jainism could not have coexisted for thousands of years. Not to speak ofg zoroastrians who came to India to escape the persecution by muslims in their homeland Iran , or the jews who lived on the Malabar coast for nearly 2,000 years practicing their faith ,or that christian apostle who came to India around the same time. Wolf, you are achristian fanatic, no better than the typical fundamentalist muslim, an obfuscator and liar in the mould of that fraud .Zakir Naik. Your bluffs are self-evident. Not only that in India atheists and agnostics are also there for cernturies wsithout anyone branding them and settring them on fire. So much for your bullshits.
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Malem
written by Salladin , April 11, 2012
It seemes Duh Swami kicked you so hard that you can't forget about him. Ironic! And no i'm not Duh. Are you having nightmares? Our conversations are there for everybody to see, so don't jump onto conclusions that fast. Muslim have the tendency to shout victory while thy are beaten severely. It's amusing to see you suffer because of Duh and now i'm the one who let you suffer badly and everyone can see that but somehow you do not realize it. You're dismissed Malem, it wasn't mine intention to beat you to death.
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To Mozambique
written by Archpagan , April 11, 2012
I fully understand what you want to say. But, I would like to point out that the two monotheistic proselytizing religions viz. Islam and Christianity created religious divisions in the human society. Others should not be blamed for religious strife. Hinduism is a religion by default only, defined as it is by the exclusivist design and proselytizing objective of the two monotheistic faiths. There is no clear division among Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism in India. Similar is the situation in China and Japan where there is no clear distinction among Buddhism, Shintoism, Taoism and Confucians.

Science is no alternative to the spiritual need of human being. In this age of science, consumerism and careerism reign supreme in our mind, which very often lead us to depression and cynicism. Need for God might be greater in this era of advancement in science and technology.
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DuhSalada
written by Malem , April 11, 2012
No nightmares, actually I sleep quite soundly but thank you for asking. Are you saying you have "beaten" me? Thats odd to start threatening someone with physical harm over a simple conversation. I woudl think and adult would not embark on that track but maybe that is your way, try to bully and threaten people, good luck with that, it worked for Duh, or you, or whoever you are today
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Malem
written by Salladin , April 12, 2012
Physical harm? You keep seeing things wich are not there. Physical abuse is something your brothers do to their brothers and to others. I'm not threatening you but hey, this is the proof you're hurt. The word is mightier than a sword. Something muslims do not understand, so i understand why you think that. First i thought i was dealing with a truthfull person though other posters said you were not. I've experienced it firsthand, so yes they all were right. You're a fake.
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Salad
written by Malem , April 12, 2012
Your words, not mine were "You're dismissed Malem, it wasn't mine intention to beat you to death. " Maybe I am missing something as english is not my first language, but "beat you to death" seems to infer some sort of harm does it not? Just trying to abide by the rules of the posting thats all lad. Should you want to dialogue in a civil maner it would be best to avoid using such language, of course that is my opinion only. You also might want to review your posts on this topic presented above, not one of your posts were related to the topic at hand, Im guessing avoidance is the next best thing to presenting an intelligent response.
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written by Salladin , April 12, 2012
I beat you constantly by words Malem. Not in physical sense. That i have to explain this to you is very weird. Who started to be childish Malem and you do it constantly by calling me Salad and playing the person i.s.o. the ball wich is actually fine by me but don't pretend you're innocent. No one is (you and i). Does this make sense to you? Should we carry on?
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written by MRobs , April 12, 2012
Stop arguing with Malem. Malem is a musllim and probably a victim of inbreeding. You are dealing with an inferior IQ. The fact that he admits to being a muslim is reason enough not to bother arguing with him. Anyone who worships the pedophiles made up moon god is clearly an idiot!
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congratulations and thanks !!
written by peace lover , April 12, 2012
First of all I would like to thank you for this wonderful and democratic website and platform and congratulations as well !

I am reading different posts and enjoying different view points.

Regarding this article, its a scientific fact you cannot ignore or avoid in the name of religion. intelligent muslims must think over it and should remove this nonsense tradition.
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Salladin
written by Malem , April 12, 2012
Looks like your boss is telling you stop talking (Mrobs). Of course looking at his post he should reflect on his comments a bit more, before just throwing them out there for all to see. Then again in similar fashion he is also a name caller, seems to be a ongoing issue with you fellows.
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Malem
written by Salladin , April 12, 2012
You're being at fault again Malem. My Boss? Do i look i need a boss? Maybe he is right. Maybe I can't have a discussion with you? It's about you Malem. You're resorting to bad behaviour while you say you're muslim. Are muslims incongruent Malem, cause sometimes you're behaviour is not what you believe in and say...it seemes.
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Salladin
written by Malem , April 12, 2012
Mrobs, is dictating to you what he wants you to do, inferring he is your superior i.e. boss. hopefully you followed that line of logic lad. I see no reason why that is incongruent.
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Malem
written by Salladin , April 12, 2012
Logic? dictating me? So what! everybody has the right to say anything. It's you who is following dictats of others and say it is Allah's remember. Are you saying that sunni muslims are following their arab masters because of their dictats? I hope it is not what you're saying Malem. Talk some sense Malem. If this what you call civilized discussion then i have to change my view about you again! Yust say it is and won't bother you. Deal Malem?
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@Malem
written by Editor, M A Khan , April 12, 2012
Malem,

Show civility by addressing the participants by the "nick" they use.

And, also take a commenter by the name he/she uses. Don't publish your assumption that someone else lies behind a particular "nick" or who is the real person behind that "nick".

The only thing we don't allow is usage of multiple "nicks" by the same person to direct debates to his/her liking. People may change "nicks" for security reasons.

And if you repeat this, I have to take actions without another warning.
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wolf
written by vbv , April 13, 2012
Wherever the christians went they destroyed the local culture , committed genocides , usurped the lands and made the original inhabitants live in reserves, barren lands to gradually engineer their extinction as is happening in the USA, Canada, Australia,et al. See european history of the middle ages , it is full of religious wars in which the popes, cardinals etc activelly participated and took sides with the fuedal lords. This is history and not mythology. The burning offreethinking citizens as witches, sorcessors, heretics is well known in the dark ages of european history where the churches instituted the notorious inquisition. That is the reality of monotheistic cults, barbaric, brutal and a sic k minds.
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written by Salladin , April 13, 2012
You never would appreciate truth when it hits you in the face Rzq. M A Khan is right. It's not about me or mr. Khan or Malem or you. It's about islam known to the world wich is the subject. Islam these days has an ugly face around the world. Islam went downhill when ijtihaad was closed by rulers somewhere in the 10th century or so. Before that nobody had objections about the different views of Qur'an or whatever. Remember the Mu'tazileen, the brave and educated ones of the 8th century. They were banned and killed.
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Mozambique
written by Dwito , April 14, 2012

My dear Mozambique,
Thank you for your sincere input. But first I want to apologize to you for this delay. I'm probably not a right person to engage in such a serious discourse, as despite my willingness, I cannot be consistent here for my professional pressure. Still, I want to share with you.

You asked - My friend Dwitto what is a religion?
So your question may be our main course of discussion. Sir, there is a very common explanation to religion narrated by Dr. S Radha krishnan. Religion is a way to lead life, obviously human life. Animals may have their own religion, but unfortunately I have been denied access to that.

to start with you must believe in a god? then other super natural beings like jinns angels devil etc etc. Do you think believing in these supernaturals make you a good human.

This is not necessary to believe in a god. It’s something that no one can conclude. So believing or disbelieving is not directly influenced to action of a man. We all know the cruel nature of faithful Muslims. Still I myself have experienced opposite example. They said, Xianity is a religion of love. The faithful Xian padres’ perpetrated most horrible torture on human beings to establish their faith. Hindu priests may have not involved directly with mayhem or murder, but they also practiced torture upon humanity. Mostly psychological, which persuaded physical punishment. In two world wars, East Asian Buddhist nationals fought mercilessly with each other. Monks may not take any part to that but People in mass thronged to monasteries to pray for their victory. The symbol of non-violence, love and compassion did not help them.
There is only one religion that kept non-violence captivating to their followers. JAINISM, along with their branch, bishnoi community. They are so ardently anti-violence that they even don’t engage to crop fertilization as tilling field may cause death to some insects.
Against which we saw agonist Marxists, is there any peace, love or humanity one can find in that ideology? Agonistic Marxists became most cruel class of people who lusts for mere mundane achievement under glitzy burkas of sweetest lecture. Could you settle being agonistic or non religious is the only way to be a good human being?
To be continued…….
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Khan
written by Malem , April 14, 2012
Please if it is not too much effort can you explain the reason for the post referring to "nick", Also I do not understand what you mean by "nick"? You had stated "Show civility by addressing the participants by the "nick" they use. " I am not aware that I was not being civil on the previous post, or another post , if I was please let me know where that occured.

Maybe your meant MRobs when he stated I was a product of inbreeeding, or that I was an idiot? Although I saw no post from you warning him. If you missed the post here it is "Malem is a musllim and probably a victim of inbreeding. You are dealing with an inferior IQ. The fact that he admits to being a muslim is reason enough not to bother arguing with him. Anyone who worships the pedophiles made up moon god is clearly an idiot! "
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salladin
written by vbv , April 15, 2012
I have no respect for anyone or any religion that says that "my way is the only way and all others are false and do not deserve any respect " and hence game for destruction. Only monotheist freaks have that kind of attitude. They believe that their"god" is the only true "god" and all other "gods" are not to be respected and are to be destyroyed. First of all the existence of a supernatural creature called "God/Yahweh/Allah" or whatever is dubious and unproven. Only the deluded and weak minds believe in all these craps and bullshits. These "gods" were all products of human invention to gain personal glory ,claiming "holier than thou" attitudes , claiming superiority over others , claiming political power and the money and wealth that accompanies it , exercising draconian auhority over the common folks to remain in an unassailable position of pwer and pelf , hobnobbing with rich autocrats, fuedal lords and monarchs knowing fully well where they lucre lies to their advantage , claiming tax cuts and exemptions for their bogus piety and religion ( a payment for their indolence and unproductive activities which create tensions and turmoils in an otherwise normal societal life). And so on. Religion is evil bullshit, uit is irrational, it is partisan, it is divisive , it lacks humanism and universal brotherhood with a "club membership". For , after all , religion is a kind of an exclusive club, especially the monotheistic monstrositicities from West Asia, which excludes any benefit accruing to anyone who is not a member of this monstrous barbaric cult , and even forfeits their basic humanrights . So much for the bullshit of any religion and especially the montrous, exclusive monotheistic cults emanating from west Asia that has caused wars and turmoils resulting in loss of millions of human lives and destruction of civilisations , all to further the "glory" of this monotheistic monster and the barbaric cult of intolerance, exclsuivity ,discrimination and destruction exported from the deserts of west Asia.
I hope that answers your post above.
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to all!
written by real Salladin , April 15, 2012
I di'dn't post it. Someone is copycattting me. Don't believe them. I think all the religions are crap and not from any God. Someone is trying to use my nickname because i beat the hell out of them.
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vbv
written by Salladin , April 15, 2012
Christian or Muslim? christians did it in spite of christianity and muslims do it because they believe they do it for the cause of Allah. The hell with religions to be accurate! They brought only wars and bloodshed.
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Salladin
written by vbv , April 16, 2012
I entirely concur with you : religion brings only war and oppression of the opposite side which has lost the war. And this is very true of monotheistic cults which cannot tolerate any other cult and wants to stamp out diversity and impose its barbaic codes. Actually ,there is no such thing as "God" ,which is all man-made ,be it monotheism or polytheism. There are no spooks except in the minds of deluded persons or scheming scoundrels who use religion and "God" as an instrument of power and making easy money from the gullible people. That is my considered view which most may disagree with, but I don't care ,anyway.

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