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How Muslims Defend the Stupidity of Islam?

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A incisive discussion on Muslims' "language" and "out of context" arguments to shut up critics of Islam...


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Presently the debate on Islam is in full swing on various social networking as well as in many ex-Muslim and anti-Islam websites. Yet, the truth is not embraced easily. Old beliefs die hard. Though many sympathizers of Islam, e.g., Karen Armstrong, Edward Said and John Esposito, try to portray a deceptive rosy picture of Islam, the true Muslims show the real face of Islam with their constant readiness to harass, intimidate and assassinate anyone who may slight their religion. For this reason, Theo Van Gogh was shot and stabbed to death in the Netherlands and his associate Ayaan Hirsi Ali had to live with bodyguards and armored cars (Ali, 2007, p. xii), Taslima Nasrin has been living in exile since 1994, Faraj Foda was shot dead in front of his office in Cairo, Nasr Hamid Abu Zayd fled out of Egypt to escape the death penalty, and Sayyid Mahmoud al-Qimni was forced to recant all his writings (Ahmed, 2006, p. ix). Unfortunately, before the outside world would get a chance to read their works, these writers were silenced through murder, terror, and death-threats, and their writings were banned in the Muslim world. But who can stop the truth from spreading?

Today who can deny the fact that Islam is different from all other religions, because of the threat of violence to its critics? All other religions can be criticized and even ridiculed without fear of violence. Only with Islam is there a credible threat of violence to its critics. Muslims can criticize Christianity and Hinduism without any fear of violence, but Christians and Hindus cannot criticize Islam without an ever-present fear of Islamic violence. It needs far more bravery to be on that side. A simple, calm, rational debate between all religions is not possible, because the fear of Islamic violence is always in the background. If Islam is, as Muslims claim, a mature, modern, tolerant religion, then why there is a need to the threat of violence? Muslims don’t understand the self-contradiction.

Since Muslims cannot argue their religion with reason (Islam cannot survive if argued with reason), they resort to sudden abnormal rage. If it does not help, they opt for habitual lying and flawed arguments. We often hear two such arguments from them – the “language” argument and the “out of context” argument (Warraq, 2003, pp. 400-4). In this article, we will have a closer look at these two arguments.

The language argument

When the Qur’anic contradictions, or absurdities, or the violent verses are pointed out, Muslims will ask aggressively, “Do you know Arabic?” Then they tell triumphantly, “You have to read it in original Arabic to understand it fully”, or “These are not there in original Arabic Qur’an”, or, “The beauty of the Qur’an is lost in the translation”, or “There are many fake translations of the Qur’an to malign Islam” etc. With this, Western critics generally become silent. Now the question is: How many Muslims have read the Qur’an in original Arabic? Since the majority of Muslims are not Arabs, they have to rely on translations. In fact, most Muslims who raise the language arguments are non-Arabs and don’t understand Arabic.

Secondly, a large section of the Qur’an is just meaningless blabbering of an illiterate seventh-century mental patient whom Muslims revere as their Prophet. In this respect, Puin, the great scholar of Islam (cited Warraq, 2002, pp. 112, 121) commented,

My idea is that the Qur’an is a kind of cocktail of texts that were not all understood even at the time of Muhammad. Many of them may even be a hundred years older than Islam itself. The Qur’an claims for itself that it is ‘mubeen’, or clear. But [contrary to popular belief] if you look at it, you will notice that every fifth sentence or so simply does not make sense … the fact is that a fifth of the Qur’anic text is just incomprehensible. If the Qur’an is not comprehensible, if it cannot even be understood in Arabic, then it’s not translatable into any language. That is why Muslims are afraid. Since the Qur’an claims repeatedly to be clear but is not — there is an obvious and serious contradiction. Something else must be going on”.

The Qur’an is indeed a confusing text, which confuses everyone – whether one knows Arabic or not. In fact, the Qur’an was not written fully in the purest Arabic. There are many foreign words, which got included in this supposed to be “God’s unaltered word” (Warraq, 1995, p. 108). The very word “Qur’an” itself is of foreign origin. Contrary to popular Muslim belief, the meaning of the Qur’an is not recitation. It is actually derived from an Aramaic word, “Qariyun”, meaning a lectionary of scripture portions appointed to be recited at divine service. Qur’an contains most of the Biblical stories in a shorter form, and as Puin commented (cited Das, 2012, p. 158), is “a summary of the Bible to be read in service”.

Moreover, freethinkers and critics do not need to know Arabic. All they need is a critical sense, clarity of thought, unbiased attitude and skepticism. The language of the Qur’an is a form of classical Arabic, which is totally different from the spoken Arabic of today. So, even Arabs have to rely on translations to understand their holy text. Moreover, when Muslims criticize the Bible and other sacred texts of Christianity, how many of them know a word of Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek? When they criticize the holy scriptures of Hinduism, how many of them know Sanskrit? Muslims do not understand that their flawed logic to defend Islam’s foolishness goes against them. Also, Muslims around the world preach Islam to make converts in languages other than Arabic. If the Qur’an can only be understood in Arabic, why do they do this?

Neither the “actual meaning” of the Qur’an nor its “beauty” is lost in the translation. There are translations of the Arabic Qur’an by Muslims themselves, so Muslims cannot claim that there has been deliberate tampering of the text by infidel translators. Arabic is a Semitic language related to Hebrew and Aramaic, and is no easier but also no more difficult to translate than any other language. Of course, there are all sorts of difficulties with the language and grammar of the Qur’an, but these difficulties have been recognized by Muslim scholars themselves. As example, as-Suyuti, possibly the greatest Arabist and Qur’an commentator ever, wrote about verse 11.107 that “I cannot make heads or tails out of this blessed verse.” (cited Warraq, 2011, p. 224) The Qur’an is indeed a rather opaque text, but it is opaque to everyone. Even Muslim scholars do not understand a fifth of it (Warraq, 2003, p. 400). The Arab literary scholar Nicholson noted (1969, p. 161) that the Qur’an is, “obscure, tiresome, uninteresting, a farrago of long-winded narratives and prosaic exhortations”. And regarding “beauty” of the Qur’an, it is better we say nothing; otherwise it will put Muslims more in shame. A large portion of the Qur’an is full of Jihadi verses and hate speeches against the infidels. As example, here I quote the most “beautiful and peaceful” verse of the Qur’an, known as the verse of sword.

Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.” (Q: 9.5)

This is just one example of miraculous beauty of this holy book. Let us read the Surah 111 (Al-Massad: Palm fiber, The Flame).

The power of Abu Lahab will perish, and he will perish. His wealth and gains will not exempt him. He will be plunged in flaming Fire, and his wife, the wood-carrier will have upon her neck a halter of palm-fiber.

The complete Surah 111 is a curse. What beauty can we find in a hate speech? The Qur’an is full of vulgar words and obscene language directed toward infidels. For example: infidels are

1)      wrong-doers (Q 2.59; 2.95; 2.145; 2.150; 2.165; 2.193; 2.229; 2.246; 2.254; 2.258; 2.270; 3.57; 3.86; 3.94; 3.128; 3.140; 3.151; 4.74; 5.29; 5.45; 5.107; 6.21; 6.45; 6.58; 6.135; 7.41; 7.47; 7.148; 8.54; 9.23; 11.31, etc);

2)      hypocrites (Q 4.61; 8.49; 9.64; 9.73; 29.11; 33.1; 48.6; 57.13; 59.11; 63.1; 66.9, etc.);

3)      Liars (Q: 6.28; 7.66; 9.77; 11.93; 39.3; 40.24, etc); and

4)      Evildoers (Q: 2.12; 2.26; 2.99; 3.63; 5.47; 5.108; 7.102; 9.24; 10.17; 11.18; 14.22; 17.47; 18.53; 19.86; 24.4; 29.4; 34.42; 37.22; 39.24, etc) (Das, 2012, p. 142).

All these hate speeches that go on verse after verse indicate the cultural heritage of illiterate Muhammad brought up in a desert. People, who are evil, attack others instead of facing their own failures. A curse is uttered by a person, who desires to harm another, but finds him or herself powerless to do so, and appeals to a supernatural power to inflict such harm oh his/her supposed opponent.

Secondly, there is another very strong and serious problem in the Qur’an. It affirms the scriptures of the Jews and Christians as authentic and true revelation from God. Allah confirms,

Verily this is a Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds: With it came down the spirit of Faith and Truth Upon thy heart, that thou mayst be (one) of the warners, in the perspicuous Arabic tongue”. (Q: 26.192-5)

And lo! it is in the Scriptures of the men of earlier (Prophets)”. (Q: 26.196)

The “earlier writings” are the Torah and the Injil for example, written in Hebrew and Greek. For Jews, Arabic was a language of poets and drunkards. How can, then, the Arabic Qur’an be contained in books of other languages? Now, we have the choice between two different lies in Allah’s revelations. Either because of verse 26.196, the words “in clear Arabic speech” is contained in the earlier revelations. This is a lie, because they are not in Arabic. Therefore, it cannot be in the earlier revelation. But then verse 26.196 becomes a lie in the Qur’an. In no way, can we save the situation. There are more such verses, e.g., the verse 16.103 also claims “this is Arabic pure and clear”, which refers to the Qur’an without doubt.

Moreover, it raises another serious question: In what language is the one and only true original of the document? Was it written in Arabic, or Latin, or in some language unknown to us? The first earthly edition of the Qur’an was published in Arabic, and subsequently it has been translated into other languages. Also, some scholars believe that initially the Qur’an was written in a popular dialect prevailed in the Hijaz (a coastal region of the western Arabian Peninsula bordering on the Red Sea), but later the book was re-written in Arabic literary language that now appears to us (Warraq, 2011, p. 83). It means the original language of the Qur’an is not pure Arabic. But then what is the original language of this supposed-to-be-sacred scripture? Nobody on earth, not even the most devout Muslim, knows the answer to this question.

Yet, there is another problem. Skeptics, who doubt that any earthly edition of the Qur’an is a transcript of a supernatural prototype, point out that earthly editions of the Qur’an contain many contradictions, inconsistencies, fallacies, errors, and absurdities. If the earthly editions are not free from error how can we be sure that the heavenly version (Q: 43.3 – “the mother of the book”; Q: 55.77 – “a concealed book”; Q: 85.22 – “a well guarded tablet”) is entirely error free?

Therefore, we can see that Muslims’ “language” argument does not stand on firm grounds. If Muslims claim that there are many “fake” translations in circulation (Jewish conspiracy?) to defame Islam, why there is no fatwa (religious verdict) to remove the fake copies from circulation? Why there is not an outrage similar to Muhammad-cartoon incident, or Salman Rushdie’s 1988 novel The Satanic Verses, or, Pope’s criticism of Muhammad on September 12, 2006? The simple fact is that there is no so-called “fake” translation of the Arabic Qur’an. This “beautiful” book is a violent and hateful text, the mother manual of today’s Islamic terrorism.

So while criticizing Islam, freethinkers should not think – who am I to criticize Islam, when I don’t know Arabic? The language argument is a Muslim tactic to defend the foolishness of Islam. For a first-rated independent thinker, who embarks on studying and searching for the discovery of truth and reality with honesty and sincerity, language is not a barrier. If not, how these freethinkers are happy to criticize Christianity or Hinduism? How many Western freethinkers and atheists know Hebrew? How many even know what the language of the Old Testament was? How many of them know the ancient Sanskrit to criticize the Hindu sacred texts? Of course, Muslims are also free in their criticism of the Bible and Christianity, and Hinduism and Bhagvada-Gita without knowing a word of Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek or Sanskrit.

The out-of-context argument

Next, let us discuss the “out of context” argument. When Jihadi verses are pointed out, Muslims say, “You have quoted out of context”. This “out of context” argument, to borrow words from Warraq, is the “old standby of crooked, lying politicians” (Warraq, 2003, p. 400). This could mean two things: (a) the historical context to which the various verses refer; and (b) the textual context, the actual place in a particular chapter that the verse quoted comes from.

The Historical Context is out of question. Qur’an is supposed to be the eternal word of God, true and valid for all places and time. If Allah is eternal, then Allah can neither have a past nor a history. Therefore, Muslims actually blaspheme against their God, when they talk about historical context. Secondly, as Spencer observed (2003, p. 127), reading the Qur’an is often like walking in on a conversation between two people with whom one is only slightly acquainted. Frequently, they make reference to people and events without bothering to explain what is going on. Even the famous Muslim scholar and one of the most influential thinkers, Sayyid Qutb, admits that most of the Surahs were not revealed as wholes, but rather bit by bit at diverse occasions, of which there is no historical record agreed upon by scholars. Hence, the only option available to us is that of assumption and preponderaton in this matter (cited Boullata, 2002, p. 363). In other words, the context is often not supplied. Therefore, if the context is not given in the Qur’an, how a verse can be quoted out of context?

The remaining is the textual context. No doubt, there are some peaceful verses in the Qur’an, which were revealed early in Muhammad Prophetic mission in Mecca. Muslims want to prove that Islam is a peaceful religion by quoting those verses. But all the peaceful verses were abrogated by the violent verses of the ninth Surah, because the ninth Surah was revealed toward the end of Muhammad’s life. In fact, most Muslim authorities agree that the ninth Surah was the very last section of the Qur’an revealed to him. Many Muslim theologians assert that the verse of sword (Q: 9.5) abrogates as many as 124 more peaceful and tolerant verses of the Qur’an (Spencer, 2007, p. 78; McAuliffe, 2006, p. 218). The ninth Surah is the only one of the Qur’an’s 114 chapters that does not begin with “Bismillah ar-Rahman ar-Rahim” – “In the name of Allah, the compassionate, the merciful.” It is because, Muhammad not only did not recite the Bismillah himself, but commanded that it not be recited at the beginning of this Surah. The Tafsir al-Jalalayn explains Muhammad’s command by saying that the Bismillah is security, and ninth Surah was sent down when security was removed by the sword. Ali ibn Abi Talib agrees, saying that the Bismillah “conveys security while this Surah was sent down with the sword. That is why it does not begin with security” (Oliver, 2006, p. 537; Spencer, 2009, p. 200). Ibn Kathir declares that the verse of sword (Q: 9.5) has “abrogated every agreement of peace between the Prophet and any idolater, every treaty and every term … no idolater had any more treaty or promise of safety ever since the Surah Bara’ah (ninth Surah) was revealed” (Spencer, 2003, p. 134). Ibn Juzayy, another commentator, agrees that the verse of the sword’s purpose is (Spencer, 2005, p. 25), “abrogating every peaceful treaty of the Qur’an”.

Therefore, the tolerant verses are practically meaningless. The problem began when Uthman collected the verses of the Qur’an and arranged them in a way that the abrogated verses were mixed up with the abrogating verses (Ahmed, 2006, p. 77). This arrangement led to the appearance of discrepancies and contradiction in the Uthmanic Qur’an, which is used until our present day. The second proof is that the Sharia law does not take into account the peaceful verses because these are abrogated. Muslims try to fool the non-Muslims with their twisted logic and pathological lying. They repeat the same lies again and again thinking that it will become true if often repeated. “Islam is a peaceful religion” is a lie which is as old as the birth of Islam. Why don’t we find the Taliban terrorists singing the peaceful verses from the Qur’an while beheading the captives? If the verse “There is no compulsion in religion.” (Q: 2.256) is still valid why Muslims had destroyed the world-famous Bamiyan Buddhas in Afghanistan?

In November 2002, Osama bin Laden quoted eight jihadi verses from the Qur’an in a “Letter to the American People”, and in his 1996 declaration of jihad against the USA, he quoted sixteen jihadi verses (Spencer, 2003, p. 125). Long history of lying has caused Muslims to believe their own lies.

Secondly, reinterpretation of the Qur’anic verses is officially allowed. Sheikh Youssef Alqardawi, the most famous Muslim scholar in the Arab world, appeared on Al Jazeera’s weekly program “Sharia and Life”, to discuss issues related to Islam and answer some of the questions put to him, through phone calls. On February 22 2009, he rejected the evolution theory, because the Qur’an says otherwise; but he reassured his audience that Muslims don’t need to worry about the evolution theory as long as it remains a theory. Only if it becomes a recognized scientific fact, the Muslim scholars would reinterpret the relevant verses in the Qur’an to bring them in line with proven scientific facts (Salih, 2009). Muslims claim that Qur’an is divine, but shamelessly reinterpret the Qur’an by twisting the language and changing the meanings of the words or even introducing completely new meanings. This is how the Muslims lie to save their holy book from divine downfall. Their logic is simple, “The Qur’an is correct even when it is wrong”.

From this discussion, it is very clear that while dealing with Muslims, what they say is not the issue. The real issue is: what they actually mean in their hearts. They lie when it is in their interest to do so, and Allah will not hold them accountable for lying when it is beneficial to the cause of Islam. They lie by swearing to Allah, or by taking an oath by the Prophet, the Ka’ba and the Qur’an – all with a very sincere and pious look and innocent face without any guilt or fear of accountability or retribution. And one lie leads to another to cover up the first one. A lie in the defense of Islam is approved, even applauded, in the Qur’an. Allah and Muhammad were two of the greatest liars humanity had ever seen. It is quite fascinating that both of them could just tell a lie and make the Muslims believe it’s true. Muslims have picked up the art of lying from the Qur’an. If we don’t understand Muslims’ Qur’anic strategy of lying to propagate the cult of Islam, we just invite more death and destruction on us in the future.

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Sujit Das lives in Mumbai (India). He is the author of the book, Islam Dismantled: The Mental Illness of Prophet Muhammad, available for online purchase at Amazon.com and in various book stores. He can be contacted at This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it

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written by Truthseeker , August 13, 2012
One thing I have learned about Arabic is that it is basically untranslateable without going back to its Semitic roots and I have seen stuff from people who have a solid understanding of both Arabic and Hebrew and they say that when the Arabic is comapred with its Hebrew roots its actual translation (at least as far as Arabic to English goes) is actually radically different than what people are used to reading in English
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Thanks for wonderful,pinpointed and cutting articles
written by fineliving56 , August 14, 2012
I have not been able to keep up with reading and posting here due to all the unrelenting bad new coming from back home … the no news is unsettling … phones are cut off in some parts of Aleppo making Facebook is useful to find out about safety of relatives who in turn tell about others who do not use Facebook …

I will come back with newly charged batteries, ready to fight with all of you ...side by side … you gentlemen and ladies [ if there is any women posters out there ] are an inspiration to someone like me … I will miss you tremendously … thanks for the defense of me against the trashing Malam has posted … it means a lot .

Malam, posted [ typically ] something about a diarrhea and me … I was not surprised …apparently, Islam orders him to refrain from vulgarity and meanness to others, while he is fasting or in the month of Ramadan, yet , he throw that to the wind and come back and say such disgusting things about me .… he does not like it when a women tell him off about Islam and what he could do with his Islam/Quran and all the non sense in it , … he is exposed to all, the liar and a manipulator he is … the worse of it all his lies to him self .

I have read few of Reed's post and I have seen wrong translation in them that is designed to diminish the harshness of Quran [ like I said many times before …please do not take Reed's posts as truth concerning the translation to Arabic of Quran ….
especially his latest lie about the word Alrasool … [ it is absolutely, means to convey Muhammad in Quran where he pointed out … no one else] he is lying to him self and others …

All of us together ex and non muslims WILL destroy Islam in the mind of all humanity … we have no choice but to react and go on through this journey, whether we want to or not … we have to face the fact that we are plagued with Islam all around us and we are going through the process of acceptation of generations of minds … but we will not let it happen … no way

All we have to do is push back and keep pushing … Muslims are on auto control to try to dominate the world … they could deny, all they want … but it is true I see it every day living with them and around their Islamic schools

WE WILL NOT LET THEM

I am privileged to have been part of this important movement and I will come back .

Again …. thank you all




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I hope my post will be posted
written by fineliving56 , August 14, 2012
I have written a goodbye post to all and I which it get to be read

Thank you all
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Arabic, Shmarabic
written by Guy Macher , August 14, 2012
The idea that Arabic is untranslatable is foolish. If true, no Arab could learn another human language. Are kafirs better treated in Koran 9:5 in Arabic? Or does Allah, aka Satan, still call for them to be killed?
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Findliving56
written by dead or alive , August 14, 2012
For now till i read your post,hope all is well.
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written by Reed Wilson. , August 14, 2012
fineliving56. " I have written a goodbye post to all and I which it get to be read."

Why?

I would be disappointed as we need you here as an Arabic expert. Just now I sought your opinion in a post to Gnostic on ali Sinas Quran Sounds.

Kindly do that before leaving. Also come back soon.
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Fingliving56
written by dead or alive , August 14, 2012
Have a safe trip and I be looking for you someday again!
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Sujit Das
written by kope , August 14, 2012
islam is the fastest growing religion in the world
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Reed Wilson
written by fineliving56 , August 14, 2012
Why don't you try to make up your mind … Reed !

You and Malam have said that Syrian people do not know proper Arabic and that I am[ being one of them ] not fit to give good opinion about the language of Quran … and now you want me to give my opinion on an Article ? … strange indeed !

I just wanted to remind you of the many times I have corrected your Arabic and Malam's … and I have asked so many times to check on what I write to verify …

Don't you think the jab about being an expert, have escaped me ! ….

Like I said I have not been able to consternate fully on reading the Articles due the mounting worries about family in Aleppo right now …

Be truth …Reed

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Dead or alive
written by fineliving56 , August 14, 2012
The reason for my stopping posting is not because I am leaving any where like you thought … I am not …it is just that my mind is some where else worrying …I am trying to get news of family that I need time off … when I said I will come back ..I meant to say I am will post again ..

News are getting worse day after day in Aleppo … people photographed being thorn out of Windows … humans have no value anymore over there … it is sicking … the city where I was born … seeing some kind of savagery it has not known before … it is heart braking …

In the middle of the city there is a beautiful ancient midlevel 6 year old Castle that survived all wars since it was built … now the Muslim morns of today, somehow managed to bomb it and damaged it … the picture of the Castle damaged is circulating in the web sits on Facebook .. it is heart breaking to see it ….

I hope you and all other good posters will keep refuting and stand for the rights of Humanity that Islam and Muslims stomps on, everywhere the word …Allaho Akbar is chanted .

Like I said I will come back to read and post again.

thank you
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to kope
written by annad , August 14, 2012
Another stupid argument - islam is the fastest growing religion. Because of what? The biggesr bith rate; killing of apostates; forbidding other creeds to spread thei ideas inmuslim dominated places; killing subjigating harrasing discriminating all non muslims who have a misfortune to live under islamic rule? All of the above. Consider that communismas well as fascism were once also very fast growing movements. As of today they are completely discredited and marginalized. Too bad millions had to pay with their lives to prove these doctrines were wrong. Islam will be next.
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@fineliving
written by Editor, M A Khan , August 14, 2012
At this tragic time, our thoughts are with you, your kins and friends back home, and the Syrian people.

Hoping this tragedy ends sooner, and your near and dear ones come out safe and sound.

We will be missing you, our valiant fighter, and the only visible apostate sister on our forum. Look forward seeing you back ASAP.
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Ibn Kammona
written by fineliving56 , August 14, 2012
I do not know what to say …

Thank you for your kind words … it wormed my heart, that is for sure …

You are a treasure here on IW … your articles are so important I hope you never stop ..

Thank you very much for your email address …it showed your caring soul …I promise to email about the atrocities happening in Syria …

We will destroy Islam if someone like you is leading the way .
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fineliving
written by annad , August 14, 2012
Good luck to you and yours. I wish your loved ones be without harm at these difficult times.
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Editor M.A. Khan
written by fineliving56 , August 14, 2012
I salute you Mr. Khan for your unrelenting efforts here to bring out the truth of Islam … you and Ibn kammona and all other authors have been a inspiration to me to keep going when I feel there is no hope to be seen …

every new Article I read becomes a revival to my resolve …

Thank you … I will come back ASAP
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written by Jye , August 14, 2012
Actually Buddhism is the fastest growing religion in the West.
Fineliving, you and your family in Syria are in my prayers. You are a brave soul and deserve all of God's grace and blessings.
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written by bundypig , August 14, 2012
I will miss you and look forward to your return,I know I'm a bit rude towards the mussies on this page, but hey, they post lies and it's up to us to call them on them.Melam cries like a little child when you call him on his lies, so hurry back because he needs to be kept straight!!
Til then, good luck in your endeavours and hope your family is fine!
Love
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Reed answer my questions
written by Pugo , August 14, 2012
Guys refer to all my previous post not one Reed Wilson answered why 6 million muslims are leaving islam every year- prooven pls google on it. Reed- Why idiotic answers always sometimes u mention u don't know ask those... it's very improtant to leave this murderous cult of islam... Are you psychotic not to realize for the sake of humanity Reed please for god sake stop defending the murderous cult of islam. The world doesnt need islam. We are crying coz of it. please see the tears of humanity Islam needs to be crushed and thrown out from the world it's very important to deislamicize the world for the sake of Humanity.. PLEASE FOR HUMANITY SAKE DONT DEFENT THIS BARABARIC CULT CALLED ISLAM
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written by Brown Superman , August 14, 2012
Another STUPIDITY is that muslims count the births in animal pens and convertees but they choose to ignore the muslims leaving daily. No wonder Islam appears to be growing fast. It is numbers that matters not the quality. Being born as a muslim is acceptable but the convertees are dumbs and blind. Maybe the sex-maniacs like marying more than 1 wife, and thus become muslims. The others have deranged mind and want to be terrorists.
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@fine living
written by balam , August 14, 2012
It is hard so to say good bye.May God protect you where ever you are. With deep affection:BALAM
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Please explain to me!!
written by SN , August 14, 2012
what I don't understand is Allah has promised to bless all believers in the first place and all Muslims should be working together for the Muslim brotherhood. Then I have seen these Muslim brothers are killing each other or killing with nonbelievers (4000 have been killed in Pakistan this year alone). Why? Are you guys sure that there is Allah?

According to Allah, the world should be just for Muslims, right? Kafirs should be killed or enslaved, right? Yet, Muslim countries continuously involved in making many babies and stayed in bad-shape( bangladesh increased 90 millions within 40 years, for instance). Saudi, the richest among oil producers, even do not have good universities, their people have to go and study elsewhere.
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written by Reed Wilson. , August 14, 2012
fineliving56. "You and Malam have said that Syrian people do not know proper Arabic and that I am[ being one of them ] not fit to give good opinion about the language of Quran".

It is correct. I didnt mean offending you. Being mother tongue is not enough to know literary English or Arabic. Every Brit. is not linguist.

Whenever I gave my opinion, it was based on available translations done by people knowing Arabic. I didnt use my Arabic. You definitely have an edge over me as for as the Arabic language is concerned.

To understand Quran, or any book, we need to be unbiased.

I am concerned with your welfare and wish you safety and peace of mind.
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written by Reed Wilson. , August 14, 2012
SN. You wirte "Then I have seen these Muslim brothers are killing each other or killing with nonbelievers (4000 have been killed in Pakistan this year alone). Why? Are you guys sure that there is Allah?"

They have forsaken Quran. One who forsakes Quran cannot be called as muslim.
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written by Reed Wilson. , August 14, 2012
Sujit Das. "The Qur’an is indeed a confusing text, which confuses everyone – whether one knows Arabic or not. In fact, the Qur’an was not written fully in the purest Arabic."

It may be confusing for some. To comprehend ANY book you need to be unbiased towards it. If I take a book, for example 'Mycotic Infections' with preconceived idea that the author was not competent, I cannot gather anything out of it.

The sources you have cited are biased.
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re: above
written by Gnostic , August 15, 2012
Is this right? YOU think that the reader must be unbiased in order to understand a book? How can you say that the quran was written by Allah/God? You are biased from the beginning. There is absolutely no evidence that this book was written by god. And while other provide well-expöained evidence for errors and contrasdictions in the quran you simply deny it or answer with completely irrelevant arguments.

You are right to say that we must be unbiased in order to understand ANY book. But is there ANY muslim in the world NOT biased towards the quran? Muslims are even required to call it "Holy Quran" and always to use "PBUH" when speaking about their prophets. This is the opposite of unbiased!

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Pagan, fascist, immoderate, stupid
written by Ibn Sufi al Kitab , August 15, 2012
Islam comes out of the Bronze age cult structure and the Iron age Babylonian animism [B. conquered Mecca in 590BC]. It is pagan, fascist [the individual destroyed, the communal erected]; savage and manichean. It is not a religion. I doubt that many Moslems have read the Koran or bother to count the violent verses - supremacism and racism included - which total 1600. Much of the rest demands slavery to Moh or Allah [both are the same]. A big chunk is misogynist. Did you know that the Sun sets in a muddy marsh [or is that a bad translation too little Moslems] ? Islam does not hold up to any scrutiny which is why Moslems don't debate, don't inquire, don't do archeology [Hub'Al was the ilah in Mecca circa 570 when Mad Moh was born, the Moon deity or Baby. Sin figure]. They can't. Open up the sewer of Islam to sunlight and the rats will leave.
www.western-civilisation.com
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Ha ha
written by abc , August 15, 2012
Why us it every miscreant non Muslim posts their irrelavent comments with a Muslim name. Take the guy above mr al kitab.
He then goes on to write Muslim as MOSLEM and all the rest.
It's held up for 1400 plus years and is rock solid then as it is now.
If you cannot understand the "sunset verse"
Then read a tafseer. Ibn katheer is good. A Muslim with a Muslim name mr fake arse!

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Ha ha
written by abc , August 15, 2012
I couldn't have described the ex Muslims any better. That's the only smart thing

"to sunlight and the rats will leave"
That's exactly what they are! Rats
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abc
written by Kaser , August 15, 2012
Hey abc, you say Islam has endured 1400 years, and is rock solid now as it has always been...

abc, I think Islam is in peril now, and that it is circling the drain. Islam will fall. It will fall everywhere education and open-minds are found. Muslim women will get fed-up quickly of being dominated by men following whatever the local bearded cleric rants.

I keep hearing "Islam is the fastest growing religion".... I have trouble beleiving this. Probable the fastest SPREADING religion Indeed, many Islamic countries see their citizens leave for the west you seem to hate so much.

Why abc? Please answer why so many muslims leave their countries for Europe or USA, and not Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, or other Islamic states?

Could it be that wherever Islam rules, people suffer???. Could it be that non-Islamic cultures breed better social systems? abc, do you think the top 10 Islamic states in the world are fine examples of happy people?

abc, do you think Sharia needs to be FORCED upon non-Muslims?

Frankly, I think this cult is way beyond it's time. Internet and educated Muslim women will completelt castrate Islam...

Cheers!

Answer please abc?
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KAser
written by Malem , August 15, 2012
Please answer why so many muslims leave their countries for Europe or USA, and not Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, or other Islamic states?

Same reason Indians run there in droves, or Irish, or Mexicans, or Brazilians, or Philipinos.....Money. The west loves to give immigrants money and there was opportunities there until the banking crisis. It has nothing to do with religion, although your trying to say it does but you know it does not.

Once you find the measurement for happiness let me know, I think a start would be you trying to except the fact others want freedom of religion, try that lad for a starter
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Malem
written by dead or alive , August 15, 2012
Did you go back to Egypt after the banking crisis from here in state side?
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malem
written by annad , August 15, 2012
Others want freedom of religion is one of the component of happines according to you. We have it in the free worldm do you have in muslik world?
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@malem
written by annad , August 15, 2012
Again try to undestand - even here freedom of relgion is not absolute. If your religion requires human sacrifes or polygamy or killing and subjigating people who dont belong to your cult- you are not aallowed to practice it. And islam for once is seen as a cult which prompt too many violent acts to consider it acceptable in todays world.
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Kaser
written by abc , August 15, 2012
Unfortunately I do not share that analysis. Women should be given their rights that Allah(swt) bestowed upon them and no little beardy bloke should try to take that away.
If I defend my beliefs, how does that make me anti west??? How do you make that connection in your head?

The immigration argument is a classic fake! Do you really believe economic immigrants come to the west because their own culture was inferior? Do you really think that the chineese or the Indians or the Arabs that migrate to the west do so because their culture is no good?
It's economics plain and simple. We need immigrants to do the jobs so we can take tax from their earnings to support the rest of our entire system including pensioners who in their day did the same.
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Kaser
written by abc , August 15, 2012
"The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-westerners never do." (Samuel P. Huntington)
This argument is another fake. Why the east has had am awful century.
Well just study history, or better pick up a globe and just look at Africa and ask yourself are those natural borders and who put them there.
Now what do you think the answer would be if we asked your question 150 years ago? 250 years ago? Think about it! What was happening around the rest of the world when we were going through the " dark ages"??

Shariah should NOT be applied to non Muslims!
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What God ?
written by Stuart Parsons , August 15, 2012
Does anyone have VERIFIABLE proof for the actual existence of any god ?
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To abc
written by Archpagan , August 15, 2012
What did you mean by 'Muslim name'? For your information, 'Sufi al Kitab', is a pre-Islamic pagan Arab name.
The Chinese and Indian do migrate to the west, but they do not demand separate law for themselves. They are regarded as providing color to western culture. Whereas, Muslims are treated as total nuisance. You need to make introspection.
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Archpagan
written by abc , August 15, 2012
Ah that's right because there is no such thing as a muslim from china or India!!
:-) maybe you should heed your own advice about introspection!
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not true
written by iloveugod , August 15, 2012
many of the quotes are misquoted and even utterly false. making stuff like this just to vent your anger is not right.i agree with some of what you say but so many mistakes in this article makes me doubt your motive. rather than exposing islam you seem to be venting some personal anger.in this regard we cant blame them if the said same things about us since bible is far from perfect.and remember church once said marriage and sex are terrible sins.
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abc
written by vbv , August 15, 2012
Islam has survived only because of the threats to violence, death and acts of terror on its adherents should they even think loudly of leaving this cult. After all ,islam prescribes severe torture and death for those who want to leave this cult. Not only that , it even puts the family of the person in peril if they even show an iota of sympathy to the apostate , apart from confiscating his wealth , denying the apostate the means of livelihood and subject the person to torture till he/she recants and goes back into the fold of this barbaric cult. Further muslims/islam cannot stand any criticism of their stupidity and falsehoods of their fake spook Allah or that fraud of a socalled prophet Muhamad or even pointing out the idiocy of that socalled book Quran , they would resort to murder and intimidation . In such a mafia-like scenario you cannot expect anyone to openly leave this barbaric arab criminal shit of a cult.
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abc
written by Kaser , August 15, 2012
Thanks for the answers, although The money argument does not hold anymore. While you are right modern economic systems require all kinds of workers, including low wage labor, migrating to the west is NOT to serve rich overlords like you want to infer.

Migrating to the west means freedom. It means opportunity. It means also freedom of religion. Although in my mind, freedom of religion means freedom to beleive in something totally absurd and freedom to not question dictates from 1400 years ago that make no sense anymore.

When religion as a whole dissapears, and humans stop living for a promised "paradise dreamworld" in the "afterlife" will we see improvements in the way we treat each other, and our planet.

All religions (Islam on top of the pile) are way way past due. As this article shows, it's getting harder and harder to keep the people duped into believing in an imaginary friend and his "afterlife" eternal party - 72 virgins or otherwise...

Cheers,
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Stay on point!
written by kohi , August 15, 2012
islam is the fastest growing religion in the world

So what that is not the topic
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Fastest growing Religion?
written by Gnostic , August 16, 2012
In the west, it already has become a well established and well known fact that converts to islam are likely to be young and crazed radicals who think that the world is bad and that they need the only true doctrine, much like communists and nazists before but their number is even below.. Instead more importantly, most westerners have turned definetely anti-islamic! They began to boycott kebab stores and employers do not hire muslims any more forcing many muslims out of the country.
This is not islamophobia but people realised that islam is bad and wrong, that its values are far away from that what people in the west would consider civilised.

This anti-islamism is also totally different from xenophobia since other religions such as buddhism enjoy a very positive mindshare. There are even more people "converting" to buddhism than to islam and, more important, a majority thinks very positive about it. Indeed westerners love foreign cultures and they are keen to learn more about it and to exchange and to share their culture with them.

Not so concerning islam because muslims dont like to exchange and to share. They only want to get but not to give. They want others to share their values but do not accept other values such as freedom and equality.

To sum it up: Maybe that islam is still growing in terms of population, mostly because of the high birth rate of poor, illiterate and futureless people. But the mindshare of islam is without any doubt in free fall, turning around 80% percent of the world AGAINST islam and some day this virus will infect muslims as well, earlier or later. Islam has yet to provide evidence that it can compete in all aspects such as economics and this will paint a totally different picture very soon.
Islamic societies cant even provide enough food, clothes and housing to their people!
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SweetOlBob
written by Robert McKenna , August 16, 2012
Thamk you for your website. You truly show the face of cancerous evil that is islam. In my community of friends and acquaintences I try to pinpoint muslim operated business and advise others not to shop there. The same goes for a business that is stupid enough to hire a muslim.

I think we need more cooperation on these points. We must cut off their livelihood as much as possible. islam is a cancer upon the earth. There is no such thing as peaceful co-existance. We need to push it out of the U.S.A.
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Reed Wilson Answer me
written by Pugo , August 16, 2012
GUYS REED DOESNT ANSWER PLS FORCE HIM WE NEED AN ANSWER FOR HUMANITY SAKE?????? PLS ANSWER WISLON

Guys refer to all my previous post not one Reed Wilson answered why 6 million muslims are leaving islam every year- prooven pls google on it. Reed- Why idiotic answers always sometimes u mention u don't know ask those... it's very improtant to leave this murderous cult of islam... Are you psychotic not to realize for the sake of humanity Reed please for god sake stop defending the murderous cult of islam. The world doesnt need islam. We are crying coz of it. please see the tears of humanity Islam needs to be crushed and thrown out from the world it's very important to deislamicize the world for the sake of Humanity.. PLEASE FOR HUMANITY SAKE DONT DEFENT THIS BARABARIC CULT CALLED ISLAM
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Gnostic
written by abc , August 17, 2012
Yeah boycott kebab shops, corner shops you muppet!
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Brother of Moe and Larry Hammed
written by Curlyhammed , August 17, 2012
Wherever you find spineless simpletons with one huge eyebrow, you find Islam.
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Brother of Moe and Larry Hammed
written by Curlyhammed , August 17, 2012
Wherever you find spineless simpletons with one huge eyebrow, you find Islam.
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Izlam Schmizlam
written by Curlyhammed , August 17, 2012
Don't worry, Islam is just the squirming of dying maggots. These Oompa Loompas with facial hair are so desperately ignorant, they keep barking and snarling until they get destroyed. It has to happen every so often and again.

Lets dig up Moe's distorted skull and kick it around like a cheap football.
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Keep it coming
written by abc , August 17, 2012
This Is the best that you folk have to offer!!!
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How Muslims defend Islam
written by Yibel , August 17, 2012
Last week in Egypt, when Muslim Brotherhood supporters terrorized the secular media, several Arabic websites—including Arab News, Al Khabar News, Dostor Watany, and Egypt Now—reported that people were being "crucified." A Sky News Arabic correspondent in Cairo confirmed that protestors belonging to the Muslim Brotherhood crucified those opposing Egyptian President Muhammad Morsi naked on trees in front of the presidential palace while abusing others. Likewise, Muslim Brotherhood supporters locked the doors of the media production facilities of 6-October [a major media region in Cairo], where they proceeded to attack several popular journalists.

That there were attacks and violence—both in front of Egypt's presidential palace and at major media facilities—is well-documented. An August 9 report by El Balad, a widely read Egyptian website, gives the details:

Last Wednesday, August 8, "thousands of the Muslim Brotherhood's supporters" attacked 6-October's media facilities, beat Khaled Salah—chief editor of the privately-owned and secular Youm 7 newspaper—prevented Yusif al-Hassani, an On TV broadcaster, from entering the building, and generally "terrorized the employees." El Balad adds that the supporters of Tawfik Okasha, another vocal critic of President Morsi—the one who widely disseminated the graphic video of a Muslim apostate being slaughtered to cries of "Allahu Akbar"—gathered around the presidential palace, only to be surrounded by Brotherhood supporters, who "attacked them with sticks, knives, and Molotov cocktails, crucifying some of them on trees, leading to the deaths of two and the wounding of dozens."
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written by Ferret , August 17, 2012
The Quran is a plagiarised mess of text. Who cares what it says? I don't. Anyone who tries to use it as a spiritual fulcrum to influence me can go and commit suicide for all I care. Islam is a lie. It's followers have no say in my life.
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If you love dogs...
written by bundypig , August 18, 2012
and don't trust muslims, this will interest you, and it's kinda nice stuff, if you love dogs ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s55-7kRp8KU&feature=player_embedded
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yet another great video...
written by bundypig , August 18, 2012
from an ex muslim iman, who was smarter than your average bear, actually thought with his mind and saw through the brainwashing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPjVCwec6oQ&feature=fvwrel
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written by Michael , August 21, 2012
Islam is the works of Satan!
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How do Muslims defend Islam?
written by Tanstaafl jw , August 22, 2012
With denial, denial and more denial.

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