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Islam is introducing Sharia into America under the guise of religious freedom. We are told that Sharia is religious law and, therefore, we should not worry about it. This is, at best, a half-truth.

To understand the Sharia, you MUST understand that it is completely based on the Koran and the Sunna of Mohammed (his words and actions that are the model for being a perfect Muslim). So, the Sharia is nothing more than a legal/social codification for every society to march in lock-step doing life’s smallest details modeled after what the Koran says and Mohammed said and did.

growth-of-islam

The biggest misunderstanding here is that Islam is simply a religion. If Islam were only a religion, it would not even exist today. And it would certainly not be feared. The story of Mohammed and the success of his mission is well known. The summary of it is in Islam’s growth curve:

Mohammed’s career had two stages, religious and political. As a religious leader he only converted about 150 Arabs into Muslims in his first 13 years in Mecca. When he went to Medina, he became a politician and a jihadist. Politics and jihad made Mohammed a success. When he died, every Arab was a Muslim. If he had stayed with religion, when he died there would have only be a few hundred Muslims and Islam would have collapsed. It was politics that made Mohammed a success and it was politics that made Islam a success for 1400 years.

Islam’s historical success has been due to jihad and Sharia law. Jihad overthrew Christian, Zoroastrian, Buddhist and Hindu governments and the Sharia was put into place. The inferior political position of Christians and all Kafirs under Islamic Sharia means their slow annihilation. Turkey, Middle East and Africa are but a few examples of this.

kafirtilogy--converted

The secret of Islam is that the Koran and the Sunna of Mohammed are primarily devoted to politics, not religion. The Kafir is a political class under Sharia rule and much of Islamic doctrine is about the Kafir. See the next chart:

Since it is based on Koran, Sira and Hadith, the Sharia must be political in nature. And indeed the Sharia is filled with both the religious law and political law. Hence, there is a religious Sharia and a political Sharia. Every Sharia rule that impacts the Kafir is political, not religious.

Note: strictly speaking--politics, culture, law and religion are unified in Islam and Sharia. However, such a unified vision gets muddled into: Islam is a religion, Sharia law is religious and therefore, Sharia trumps our politics. As long as Islam and Sharia are treated only by their religious aspect, we lose. The easiest way to do this is to separate out the political facet.

Here is a simple example that illustrates the difference between religious Sharia and political Sharia: in Europe and New York, Muslims commandeer the streets and sidewalks to pray. This is tolerated under “freedom of religion”. It is true that the prayer is religious, but commandeering the sidewalks and streets is strictly a political act. Kafirs are told to submit and not use the public thoroughfare. Each and every Muslim should be ticketed for blocking traffic, just as you and I would be if we blocked traffic.

Islam is based on two principles: dominance over all Kafirs and dualism. The Sharia fully incorporates both principles and as a result, political Sharia rules violate universal human rights.

From the Reliance of the Traveller, A Classical Manual of Islamic Sacred Law:

Apostasy (leaving Islam):

o5.4 There is no expiation [punishment] for killing someone who has left Islam

Wife beating:

m10.12 … may hit her, but not in a way that injures her, meaning he may not bruise her, break bones, wound her, or cause blood to flow. It is unlawful to strike another’s face.

Jihad:

09.0 Jihad means war against Kafirs to establish Islam’s Sharia law.

Inferior civil rights for Kafirs:

o11.1 A formal contract (dhimma) is made with Christians and Jews, they then become dhimmis.

There is absolutely nothing good for the Kafir in political Sharia. It denigrates and makes us submit to a profoundly foreign rule. Political Sharia violates human rights and our Constitution.

Absolutely no implementation of any aspect of political Sharia should be allowed in our government or organizations. All citizens must know the fundamental principles of political Sharia and resist its progress in every way.

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Bill Warner, Director, Center for the Study of Political Islam

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written by Reed Wilson. , August 04, 2012
Bill Warner "To understand the Sharia, you MUST understand that it is completely based on the Koran and the Sunna of Mohammed (his words and actions that are the model for being a perfect Muslim)".

Quran gives the Sharia and not Sunna of Muhammad. Allah has never said that Muhammad, his messenger, was a perfect man and a model.

Moreover Muhammad of Hadis is a super man. Who can emulate him? All Sunnah is enshrined in hadis according to so called Muslims.

Allah says he only is worthy of following and that He has installed us on a Sharia. Quran says:

"Ask: "Is there one among those you associate with God who can show the way to the truth?" Say: "It is God who shows the way to truth." Then who is more worthy of being followed -- He who guides to the truth, or he who cannot find the path until shown the way? What has happened to you that you judge in such a wise? 10:35
(This clearly means that none is worthy of following except God himself)

At 45:18 Quran says:

ثُمَّ جَعَلْنَاكَ عَلَىٰ شَرِيعَةٍ مِّنَ الْأَمْرِ فَاتَّبِعْهَا وَلَا تَتَّبِعْ أَهْوَاءَ الَّذِينَ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ

"I have put you on the right way in the matter of divine law. So follow it, and do not follow the wishes of those who are ignorant."

I have given the Arabic text where word شَرِيعَةٍ is used.

Therefore sharia based on Quran and sunna should be rejected outright. It is adulterated Islam and is bad name for Islam.
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You are right, Maher.
written by Worldpeace , August 04, 2012
You're absolutely right, Bill Warner in your conclusion about political sharia.
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infidel Bill Warner
written by kope , August 04, 2012
please read my blog it about infidel like you lol


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Reed
written by Bingo , August 05, 2012
Would you prescribe, as per Quran, 100 lashes for adultery and chopping the hands of thieves?
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to Kope
written by Infidel and More Proud , August 05, 2012
Kope why do Muslims keep living in such places that ban burka headscarves do not allow minarets, allow drinking etc etc yada yada and yawn? Better to live in some Muslim hell hole init?
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Infidel and More Proud
written by kope , August 05, 2012
just to make you angry
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written by Reed Wilson. , August 05, 2012
Bingo. " Would you prescribe, as per Quran, 100 lashes for adultery and chopping the hands of thieves?

Please give complete reference. It is zina not adultery.

Thief if promises not to steal again, can be forgiven.

For lashes four persons will give evidence which is almost impossible. If the eye witnesses are short of even one or three eye witnesses say they have seen the act, they would be awarded eighty lashes each for allegation. Their witness would not be trusted in future.

Punishments are awarded by the state and not by individuals.

We see that in the Gospel Jesus himself is shown awarding stoning punishment to girl. Those who were witness themselves ran Scot free.

I do not trust that story but things are seen in Bible.



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Bill
written by abc , August 05, 2012
Can you draw a graph for the growth of Christianity too.
I assume it looks the same. At the so called death of Jesus he had how many followers? nobody hardly.
Then how many after the pagan Constantine got hold of your scriptures, roman empire!
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who this muhammed prophet
written by king khan , August 05, 2012
i must have hated girl as he was was sex desperate couldnt get girls then he planned islam against girls thats is why muslims kill their own daughters
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The books that house Sharia Laws
written by fineliving56 , August 05, 2012
should be gathered in a gigantic pile … soaked with a gasoline …. and set in a nice big fire …

No mind should be expose to such inhumane filth …

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Response to Reed Wilson statements
written by Yibel , August 05, 2012
Statement 1: "We see that in the Gospel Jesus himself is shown awarding stoning punishment to girl. "

NO! NO! NO! When her accusers left, Yah'shua/Jesus said to her: "Go, and sin no more!" NO STONING!

Statement 2: "Allah has never said that Muhammad, his messenger, was a perfect man and a model...

Qur'an 33:21 "You have in (Muhammad) the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern of conduct for any one to follow."

Statement 3: "Moreover Muhammad of Hadis is a super man. Who can emulate him? All Sunnah is enshrined in hadis according to so called Muslims. "

a SUPER MAN? REALLY?

The Ishaq, Tabari, Bukhari, and Muslim Hadith Collections ALL record behavior that is criminal. According to the ahadith, Muhammad was a ruthless megalomaniac. an incestuous marauding libertine, a pedophile, a bandit, a liar, a thief, a sexual predator, a rapist, a sadist, a sexist, an assassin, a kidnapper, a slave trader, a racist, and a war-mongering terrorist who got his rocks off slaughtering and enslaving all who didn't capitulate to his will.

The prophet of Islam boasted, "I have been made victorious with terror"
Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220
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abc
written by Jye , August 05, 2012
So called death of Jesus? The life and crucifixion of Jesus is a documented historical fact. Unlike your Isa which doesn't exist outside of Muhammed's plagiaristic mind.
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Yibel
written by Kafirwala , August 05, 2012

Reed Wilson is a dishonest, crooked, deceited person who will twist anything and everything for his declared agenda of glorifying the desert bandit Mo and Islam. See how cruelly he twists the episode of Jesus Christ defending and saving a repentant, hapless Mary Magdalene from the angry mob who assembled to stone her to death. According to this hypocrite, Jesus only awarded death punishment for her. Such a vicious degenerate this fool is. At the same time he has no qualms in praising the laurels of that pedophile prophet who was the epitome of all evils. This moron, a wolf in sheep's clothing claims that he is still a christian. What a paradox! I am writing this to expose his naked partisan thinking, his double- standards and his parochial mental frame- up. It is time he is completely exposed for what he is really worth!
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when Zina is not Zina
written by Infidel and More Proud , August 05, 2012
33:50
O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

So captives are lawful even without marriage. (Replace captives with slaves)
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Reed W
written by Bingo , August 05, 2012
Bingo. " Would you prescribe, as per Quran, 100 lashes for adultery and chopping the hands of thieves?

Please give complete reference. It is zina not adultery.
-- The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, - flog them each with a hundred stripes. -- Sura 24:2.


Thief if promises not to steal again, can be forgiven.
-- Can you provide complete reference to this? Allah says cut the hands of thieves.

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Reed any dictionary we pick up … Zina is adultery
written by fineliving56 , August 05, 2012
Any Arabic./ English we pick up, The word Zina means Adultery

I like to know the name of the dictionary that YOU are getting your information, from, so I could change my life long knowledge for the Arabic language and especially the word ZINA
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Sharia will reduce Rape (maritial rape to be precise)
written by Infidel and More Proud , August 05, 2012
There will be no maritial rape for maritial rape is an invention of western world. Sharia dictionary does not have this. RW to clarify!
RW is there any mariatial rape in Sharia or Quran or any muslim law of any kind???
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written by Reed Wilson. , August 05, 2012
Kafirwala. "Reed Wilson is a dishonest, crooked, deceit person who will twist anything and everything for his declared agenda of glorifying the desert bandit Mo and Islam."

What is the need of telling Yibel all that? He knows me, may be, more than you.

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brother Reed Wilson
written by kope , August 05, 2012
dont waste your time with this dumb people, if you want to answer their question then write one or two line

salam
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written by Reed Wilson. , August 05, 2012
Yibel. You quote translation Qur'an 33:21 "You have in (Muhammad) the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern of conduct for any one to follow."

Here is the text:

لَّقَدْ كَانَ لَكُمْ فِي رَسُولِ اللَّـهِسْوَةٌ حَسَنَ أُةٌ لِّمَن كَانَ يَرْجُو اللَّـهَ وَالْيَوْمَ الْآخِرَ وَذَكَرَ اللَّـهَ كَثِيرًا

Do you find Muhammad there? Do you find beautiful or most beautiful there?

Now I give translation:

"Surely there was a good example for you in the Messenger of Allah, for all those who look forward to Allah and the Last Day and remember Allah much". (Maududi)

Verse 19 says: "They assume that the armies of the disbelievers have not gone away; and were the armies to come again, their wish would be to go out to the villages seeking information about you; and were they to stay among you even then they would not fight, except a few.

This verse 19 gives the situation where messenger was an example that he did not run away.

Even if it is not 'was' where is the messenger to follow his example?

There is no role model or roller model in Quran. I give another example where أُسْوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌ is used in Quran.

Indeed in Ibrahim, and those along with him, lay a good example for you follow – when they said to their people, “Indeed we are unconcerned with you and all what you worship besides Allah; we reject you, and between us and you has surfaced enmity and hatred for ever until you accept faith in the One Allah”

٣﴾ قَدْ كَانَتْ لَكُمْ أُسْوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌ فِي إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَالَّذِينَ مَعَهُ إِذْ قَالُوا لِقَوْمِهِمْ إِنَّا بُرَآءُ مِنكُمْ وَمِمَّا تَعْبُدُونَ مِن دُونِ اللَّـهِ كَفَرْنَا بِكُمْ وَبَدَا بَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَكُمُ الْعَدَاوَةُ وَالْبَغْضَاءُ أَبَدًا حَتَّىٰ تُؤْمِنُوا بِاللَّـهِ وَحْدَهُ إِلَّا قَوْلَ إِبْرَاهِيمَ لِأَبِيهِ لَأَسْتَغْفِرَنَّ لَكَ وَمَا أَمْلِكُ لَكَ مِنَ اللَّـهِ مِن شَيْءٍ
Did you notice scores of أُسْوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌ ?

Yibel you are believing what 99% believe. You are no better. Remain ignorant.

Allah has clearly told that He only is worthy of following.
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Infidel and proud
written by fineliving56 , August 05, 2012
This Aya you brought, is nothing but another big old nail in the coffin of Islam . it is one of the reasons, helped to shed my believe in Muhammad as a prophet and his in imagery Allah and Islam …

A God who secure extra sexual benefits for the prophet,.. to separate him from other Muslim [ when it said: only you [ Muhammad ] excluding others ] , is a gigantic proof that Quran was in fact created by him with the help of others

33/50/51 … is the most shameful in Quran … selfish and condescending …

Shame of Muhammad to bring such a disgusting Ayas with no apologias what so ever … and to think Muslims say, Muhammad was fair and deemed him self one of all Muslims …that is such a big lie.
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Adultery.
written by Reed Wilson. , August 05, 2012
fineliving. I quote dictionary

a·dul·ter·y: noun, plural a·dul·ter·ies.
voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and someone other than his or her lawful spouse.

For Arabic zina you dont need to be married or unmarried. Any male/female encounter sex without wedlock is zina. There is no adulteration there. You may know it best.
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infidel and More proud
written by fineliving56 , August 05, 2012
I wrote you a post and it disappeared

hopeful it will be posted
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written by Reed Wilson. , August 05, 2012
Bingo. According to US law we can kill a person who comes to our house for robbery or stealing. Let us read d read verses 5:38-39 together.

وَالسَّارِقُ وَالسَّارِقَةُ فَاقْطَعُوا أَيْدِيَهُمَا جَزَاءً بِمَا كَسَبَا نَكَالًا مِّنَ اللَّـهِ ۗ وَاللَّـهُ عَزِيزٌ حَكِيمٌ ﴿٣٨﴾ فَمَن تَابَ مِن بَعْدِ ظُلْمِهِ وَأَصْلَحَ فَإِنَّ اللَّـهَ يَتُوبُ عَلَيْهِ ۗ إِنَّ اللَّـهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ

"The male thief, and the female thief, you shall mark, cut, or cut-off their hands/means as a recompense for what they earned, and to serve as a deterrent from God. God is Noble, Wise. Whoever repents after his wrongdoing and makes amends, then God will relent on him. Truly, God is Forgiving, Merciful. [5:38-39]

fineliving might be knowing exact Arabic of chopping off and cutting off.
The word فَاقْطَعُوا is not that.
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Reed
written by fineliving56 , August 05, 2012
You are absolutely wrong

Zina is a word used to describe, Strictly, for Adulteries who are Married and engage in exrta sex out side of marriage … in fact it is the best word TO DESCRIBE IT …
There is arabic words like …Safah … Ahir … which are close and it does describe unmarried and married people who engage in sex …

but Zina is strictly for adulterers … and it means exactly that

You are wrong … Reed !!!
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The Arabic word ...Fa ik'kta uu …Fakkta'uu … the 'I' is silent
written by fineliving56 , August 06, 2012
in Surah 5/38 … it is an order from Allah to Muslims males …it is there to means … '' cut off … chop off … amputate ''

The '' Fa'' added to make the root verb '' kat'a'' an order to cut …so it becomes '' Fakktauu''

and the '' UU'' in the end to make the verb for male or female plural … this word is an exception … there is no change in between male and females like other words in Arabic language .. like '' faKulu '' for male … fakulna'' for femals.

All came from root word for '' Kat'a''

Other word that means the same .. but compound words like '' daraba al Unki ...'' to hit the nick '' means to cut head from the nick .
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fineliving56
written by Nazrul Islam Khan , August 06, 2012
Doesnt matter Reed is right or wrong...he is happy he could write something he he...
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God, Religion and Politics
written by Gnostic , August 06, 2012

Not only the muslims, all people should keep god away from politics. The reason is that people become extremely intolerant if they believe that their own opinion is being shared by god. But this is not religion but blasphemy because nobody should be allowed to make such claims in the name of god.

Of course this does not only to politics but also to law and all ethics. Why not just talking about what is good, useful and reasonable? What is god good for? Has anybody ever seen him? Or does anybody really know what he really wants?

The worst blasphemy of all is to kill and to rape people in the name of god! Muslims think that the quran is a written permission to kill, to rape and to beat ones wife! But they are wrong.

In this regard the quran is totally worthless as well as the hadith and all this sharian nonsense which is all man-made in order to have a written permission to commit things which are crimes according to any civilised thinking.

Over and over again the quran casts curses against people who do not believe in it. The quran even elaborates in Surah 25 that there are people who think that the quran is stupid! The answer of the quran is cursing again without providing any reason nor evidence!

I never read anything more primitve. This is the level of unrivald stupidness!

This of course raises the question how this nonsense was able to survive. But the answer is easy: The fact that so many people believe in this makes people believe that this must be true. There is much similarity with the Iraqi war: A majority of Americans believed that Saddam possessed chemical weapons though there was no evidence at all. Now most people know better.

This is also known as herd behaviour.
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written by Reed Wilson. , August 06, 2012
fineliving. I quoted dictionary.

I give text of 12:31

فَلَمَّا سَمِعَتْ بِمَكْرِهِنَّ أَرْسَلَتْ إِلَيْهِنَّ وَأَعْتَدَتْ لَهُنَّ مُتَّكَأً وَآتَتْ كُلَّ وَاحِدَةٍ مِّنْهُنَّ سِكِّينًا وَقَالَتِ اخْرُجْ عَلَيْهِنَّ ۖ فَلَمَّا رَأَيْنَهُ أَكْبَرْنَهُ وَقَطَّعْنَ أَيْدِيَهُنَّ وَقُلْنَ حَاشَ لِلَّـهِ مَا هَـٰذَا بَشَرًا إِنْ هَـٰذَا إِلَّا مَلَكٌ كَرِيمٌ ﴿

Did the women chop off their hands?
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Sharian Nonsense
written by Gnostic , August 06, 2012
According to recent news, Egypt will receive millions in loans from the World Bank for sewage and sanitation projects. Salafists are protesting against this loans because the interest rate is considered to be against Shariah law.

The interest rate is around 1,29% which is much lower than commercial loans. It is clear that projects like this are only intended to provide help and support for the people in order to improve their water supply and nobody in the world would ever oppose it.

However,not so if god is involved! This example clearly reveals that politics and religion should always be separated.
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written by Reed Wilson. , August 06, 2012
kope. Thanks for sincere advice. I write here from Quran. I am asked to do that.

I will try to be short in future. When a Christian is doing cavils, it sometimes becomes difficult to bear.
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to RW
written by Infidel and More Proud , August 06, 2012
Gratulations, I see you heeding advice to Kope "the official jester"; Or are you short of words.
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Religion and politics
written by abc , August 06, 2012
Gnostic- maybe you should cast your eyes over this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/08/05/mega-donors-bankrolling-religious-right_n_1735337.html

The insane Christian right are about to buy an election and with it the worlds biggest army!!!!
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@reed wilson
written by pipo , August 06, 2012

"(quranic) punishments are awarded by the state and not by individuals"

Religions, by definition, are addressing individuals not states.


"we see that in the Gospel Jesus himself is shown awarding stoning punishment to girl"

Here you lost your last snippet of credibility.
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written by Reed Wilson. , August 06, 2012
Dear pipo. You write "Here you lost your last snippet of credibility."

Why Sir? It is there in Gospel, I read for you:

John 8:1-11 but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground. At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” “No one, sir,” she said.

“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

Didnt Jesus say "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her".
Isnt it awarding stoning punishment?
Why he didnt inquire for the male accomplice?
Was the stoning punishment not there? It was there as they themselves said "In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women.
How John could know their intention 'they were using this question as a trap?
Why Jesus asked 'has no one condemned you?

It is there in the same OT about which Jesus said "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

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written by Reed Wilson. , August 06, 2012
Dear Pipo. This is also interesting “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

He could right away do that if he didnt want to stone her.
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Call Me Al
written by Al Ladidah , August 06, 2012
Sharia Shwaria! Such claptrap disguised as "God's Law". Here's a way to save Western enlightenment and culture from the medieval anti-humanist folks of the Muslim Ummah! Application of all U.S., state and local laws without regard to race, creed, nartionality. Any accommodation - such as allowing prayers out in the streets, parks, doorways - not permitted. This is America. Adapt or stay home! If Muslims and others refuse to adapt to Western ways, go to Saudi Arabia or wherever they'll allow you to do whatever you want to do as a Muslim. (Saudi Arabia, the Islamic homeland, doesn't make any accomodations to any religion other than Islam.)
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abc
written by Jye , August 06, 2012
I will see your "insane Christian right" and raise you one pathological, murdering, Muslim psychopaths.

I suggest, before you accuse any other religions of being insane, you clean up your own back yard first.
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re: abc
written by Grnostic , August 06, 2012
There are christian fundamentalists no better than fundamentalist muslims. I am really scared about whats up in America. Imagine that the Mormons believe that Jesus was in America and in fact Mormonism was often compared to Islam. Polygamism, faked holy books and so many errors and contradictions, historical errors, biological (no horses in pre-columbian america as well as many other animals no meaningful iron&steel industry), striking similarities to the King James Bible - it is like believing in Star Trek or Superman or other fictional nonsense.
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@Abc
written by Proud Infidel , August 06, 2012
"At the so called death of Jesus he had how many followers? nobody hardly."

It appears that your knowledge of the history of Chritianity is as bad as your knowledge of Ilamic history.
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To Gnostics
written by Archpagan , August 06, 2012
I fully endorse your above three posts. Faith may have some role in private life. But bringing faith in the public domain is the worst form of tyranny. Muslims are guilty of of such tyranny. All Muslims want Shariah law and believe that apostates should be killed.
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written by Reed Wilson. , August 06, 2012
Archpagan. What was that when Jesus wanted to land in Rome but had to change his mind and landed in Kolkata?

You told me about your becoming prospective father in law. Accept greetings from Mrs. Wilson and RW.
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written by Reed Wilson. , August 06, 2012
pipo. You said "Religions, by definition, are addressing individuals not states."

It can ask you to make a state.

"O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the messenger, and those of you who are in authority. (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger , if you believe in Allah and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination". 4:59

Refer it to Allah and His Messenger means refer to the law given by Allah.
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Reed you are awful!
written by Gnostic , August 07, 2012

Muslims are living in their own, very limited universe that keeps their brains small and their thinking underdeveloped. Reed as well as many other muslims should try to read books not written by muslims and try to discover how unlimited human thinking can be.

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@reed wilson
written by pipo , August 07, 2012
Since time is not my friend I will take Kope's 'wise advice' and answer in a few lines;


"Didn't Jesus say "let anyone of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her"

Yes.


"Isn't it awarding stoning punishment?"

No it isn't... For no one is without sin...It was said to make "The teachers of the law and other Pharisees" look like a bunch of
fools.



"It was there as they themselves said "In the law Moses commanded us to stone such women."

The laws of the Jews were "written in Stone". Jesus, aware that such laws could'n't stand forever, was writing in sand.
It was simply an act of abrogation and a discouragement of punishments in general... Civilization in the making.
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@reed wilson
written by pipo , August 07, 2012
"pipo. You said "Religions, by definition, are addressing individuals not states.""

"ït can ask you to make a state"


And Islam is the only 'relegion' who is demanding that of its adherents and for that very reason it (Islam) should be rejected.
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Typical jye
written by abc , August 07, 2012
I give you a link to a verifiable article, what do you do in return. You post me a copy and paste of daniel greenfield score card. Danny boy is an employee of David Horowitz centre. Those stats mean exactly F.A
However your reply says alot about you. Ignorance really is bliss.
Now run along little boy!
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Infidel and proud
written by abc , August 07, 2012
Insults, sticks and stones mate! Mean nothing to me.
Remind me how many attended the last supper?? Maybe it is you who needs to study!
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poor little abc
written by bundypig , August 07, 2012
the posted chart shows your loving ideology in it's glory, seems like you should get out of mommy's basement and see the real world
There are two men in Islam that are indisputably the greatest in the annals of this religion. They are Imam al Ghazzali and Jalaleddin Rumi, both Persians. Let us see what they thought of women.

Ghazzali is so highly revered amongst the majority of Muslim clerics that he is called Hojjatul Islam,” proof of Islam”. For many, his authority in religious matters is only second to the Prophet. In his The Revival of the Religious Sciences Ghazzali defines the position of women in Islam:

She should stay at home and get on with her spinning
She can go out only in emergencies.
She must not be well-informed nor must she be communicative with her neighbors and only visit them when absolutely necessary.
She should take care of her husband and respect him in his presence and his absence and seek to satisfy him in everything.
She must not leave her house without his permission and if given his permission she must leave secretly.
She should put on old clothes and take deserted streets and alleys, avoid markets, and make sure that a stranger does not hear her voice, her footsteps, smell her or recognize her.
She must not speak to a friend of her husband even in need.
Her sole worry should be her “al bud” (reproductive organs) her home as well as her prayers and her fast.
If a friend of her husband calls when her husband is absent she must not open the door nor reply to him in order to safeguard her “al bud”.
She should accept what her husband gives her as sufficient sexual needs at any moment.
She should be clean and ready to satisfy her husband’s sexual needs at any moment.
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bundypig
written by Kafirwala , August 07, 2012

Don't you know that whatever you quote and try to teach brain dead zombies will have no effect on them? Their skin is so thick. Even bullets won't get past it. Then what to talk of sticks, stones etc.

However, the teachings like that of Hojjatul Islam provide the much needed comic interludes. Even without your saying it, it comes under the humor section. I really had a nice laugh. Thank you.
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abc
written by Jye , August 07, 2012
Abc, I find your attempts at belittling and patronizing to be humorous. Those stats are backed up by EVERY single terrorist attack done in the name of your ridiculous cult of death and misogyny. Kindly, refute it - if you can - and then I may concede to your pathetic insults. But that won't ever happen, will it?
Huff post? Hahaha you're funny.
Ignorance is being a member of a religion that has ruined every single culture that it has touched, like the plague, and also applies to people with terrible grammar. Like yourself :-)
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Bundy
written by Jye , August 07, 2012
Abc has no way to refute the stats of his beloved religion of Satan, so all he has is his petty insults. Just remember that every time he resorts to them, it is an admission of his defeat. I laugh my ass off every time I read them.
So keep them up, Abc, please.
:-D
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abc
written by Jye , August 07, 2012

Some more stats for you to be UNABLE to refute, abc. But I look forward to your insults nonetheless =)
As for that white supremist piece of sewer slime that murdered those Sikhs in cold blood. I hope he is enjoying hell.
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Jye and ladies
written by abc , August 07, 2012
Whine whine whine!
We know danny greenfield, we know his site.
The scorecard means FA.

It's refuted right here:


http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/ 17000_islamic_terrorist_attacks_exist_in_fevered_islamo
phobic_brains/0018682
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written by Jye , August 07, 2012
A site for Muslims to protect themselves and their cult? Where exactly does it refute the terrorist attacks listed above in the chart? Nice try, but that's abysmal even for your standards. You could have at least taken a note from Mursi's book and blamed the sixteen dead Egyptians on Israel, but to deny they happened at all by using the ridiculous Muslim brotherhood term of Islamophobia? Pitiful...
You must have a severe issue with comprehension, because I am not whining; I enjoy your posts =)
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abc
written by Jye , August 07, 2012
What ladies are you referring to? Is that more of your silly insults? Did you miss the point that resorting to name-calling is a sign of defeat? lol
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Enjoy all
written by Jye , August 07, 2012
Eric Allen Bell exposes Loonwatch (abc's favorite extremist left-wing, Islamo-pandering haunt) and rips it to shreds.
http://islamo-criticism.blogsp...m-and.html
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written by bundypig , August 07, 2012
Bell was in a fog for a while but has really come around to truth and reality. Since he was a liberal writer for so long, he will influence many of the lefties to learn and READ about islam and to see what they're on about. He will make a difference...


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Jye
written by abc , August 07, 2012
You asked for an article refuting danny greenfields score card! That was given to you.
You now complain that it's done on the American Muslim website.
Where else would you like it? Have you bothered to read it??
No I thought not, because if you had you would know that they quoted reputable sources including the FBIs own figures.
The mursi comment is a red herring because you have nothing else to say.
As for Eric, spencers new buddy. He is into getting paid for his bigotry!
What's your excuse?
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written by bundypig , August 07, 2012
You can't prove a single one of those attacks aren't substantiated by articles in papers around the world (only one muslim website) where we can. Bell is doing this for money, you're a fool, he has lost his car and had to move because his means of support dried up when he went against HuffPo and the rest of the dhimmi c*nts. He wrote a great article on the mosquecateers in Tennessee and now is getting a LOT of publicity drawn to sharia and the other blights of islam.
You need to read Mustafa Kamels writings and wake up young grasshopper, you'll see there is a great big wonderful world where you don't have to be afraid and waiting for "pie" in the sky...you may just be able to score on your own lolol
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written by Reed Wilson. , August 07, 2012
pipo. He allowed them to stone her.

I dont believe the story.
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written by bundypig , August 07, 2012
and abc, if you space over one click, your url's will come up so we dont gave to copy/paste moron ;)
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abc
written by Jye , August 07, 2012
I have seen FBI stats - NOT from some lying Muslim Taqiyya site. Files where your pathetic claims of Islamophobia are knocked out of the park. They don't rate. Islamophbia DOES NOT exist. That term also doesn't refute facts of what adherents of your evil little religion does everyday all over the world in the NAME of your evil little religion.
Secondly; what red herring? I'm not deflecting anything away. You're incoherent. My statement was in keeping with making an example of your laughable claim that Islamic Terrorism is a figment of "Islamophobia". Do you say things out of context just to sound intelligent?
Lastly; please offer proof that Eric Allen Bell is on the pay roll, because prior to his awakening to the truth of your vile religion, he was on the left wing loon's payroll.
As usual, abc, your arguments are falling to pieces - a bit like what Eric Allen Bell did to that joke of a website, Loonwatch.
http://www.sodahead.com/living...large.jpeg
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thanks, bundy!
written by Jye , August 07, 2012
Any idiot knows how to add urls to a link, surely.
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Jye
written by abc , August 07, 2012
Ah that old chestnut. When you and your type have nothing else to offer, scream taqiyya. Get out of jail free card.
As usual the only offerings you make are hot air!
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abc
written by Jye , August 07, 2012
Sorry to disappoint you, abc, but taqiyya DOES exist in your holy books, UNLIKE Islamophobia - anywhere.
Hot air - that you have only attempted to refute with "Islamophobia". You know, that term that doesn't exist?
Good job, but... pathetic.
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written by Jye , August 07, 2012
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/artic...entral.htm
19 murdered in a Church in Nigeria by Boko Haram, that followers like abc will argue are only a figment of our "irrational fears".
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Jye
written by abc , August 07, 2012
I hope the Nigerian authorities catch and punish the guilty!
There are zealots the world over.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19157863

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Jye
written by abc , August 07, 2012
Read and weep!!

Oxford dictionary definition

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/Islamophobia
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didn't take hmmm
written by bundypig , August 08, 2012
hey stupid, if you space over once the link will turn a pretty color and we can go to these places without having to copy/paste...

sunni's killing shiites, shiite's killing sunni's ha kope, the liberals are the least of our worries, better clean up your own stinking nest!

http://abna.ir/data.asp?lang=3&Id=334932

this is from an iranian paper
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abc
written by Jye , August 08, 2012
Islamophobia doesn't exist in theory, abc. All statistics the world over prove it is a lie. Of course it exists as a spoken word; have I been not writing it myself?
Jeez I thought that was obvious - to most. Wow... that's almost funny.
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Jye
written by abc , August 08, 2012
Wel then your theory is full of crap!
That's pretty obvious to most!
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problem with islam
written by male kuffar , August 10, 2012
I am an open-minded Christian, and I want to give Islam every benefit of the doubt. All religions have their share of questionable beliefs and practices. But Islam has two features that cannot be justified: 1) the belief that persons who abandon Islam should be executed, and 2) the belief that non-Muslims will be tortured forever with fire.

Until these beliefs are changed, I will regard myself as an enemy of Islam, Allah, and the Prophet.

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written by Reed Wilson. , August 10, 2012
male kuffar. You write "1) the belief that persons who abandon Islam should be executed, and 2) the belief that non-Muslims will be tortured forever with fire."

It is nowhere in Quran that persons abandon Islam should be executed.

So also about non Muslims Quran says:

نَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَالَّذِينَ هَادُوا وَالنَّصَارَىٰ وَالصَّابِئِينَ مَنْ آمَنَ بِاللَّـهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَعَمِلَ صَالِحًا فَلَهُمْ أَجْرُهُمْ عِندَ رَبِّهِمْ وَلَا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ

"Surely the believers and the Jews, Christians and converts, whoever believes in God and the Last Day, and whosoever does right, shall have his reward with his Lord and will neither have fear nor regret". Quran 2:62

Hellfire is not 'monopoly' of non-Muslims. Wrongdoing Muslim will also be consigned to flames. Do you think that a Muslim who did murder or any serious will be left Scot free? Never.

Most of the people believe in God and in last day. Good deeds is the condition for all.

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Good deeds is the condition for all
written by Yibel , August 10, 2012
And what are "good deeds" - "fards" according to Islam...

Well, for one - Praying in the direction (qibla) of the Ka'aba stone 5 times a day -
the Salat or Salah (public ritual prayer)
Two - Performing hajj (pilgrimage to Makkah, wearing the ihram, to commemorate Allah's sparing of Ibraham's son Ishmael - at least once in a person's lifetime
Three- Paying the Zakat Tax
Four - Sawm - which is daytime fasting during the month of Ramadan
Five - Shahada - reciting the prostrate-supporting Kalimah ("La ilaha ila Allah,
Muhammada rasul Allah", translation "There is no ilah but Allah, and Muhammad is his final Rascal - err, prophet") - But Allah forgot that Hitler was coming!

As this is ALL Muslim stuff - non-Muslims are not allowed into Allah/Muhammad's
Bordello in the Sky.
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written by Reed Wilson. , August 10, 2012
male kumar. According to Qruan, there is accountability without exceptions of apostles.

فَأَمَّا مَن ثَقُلَتْ مَوَازِينُهُ ﴿٦﴾ فَهُوَ فِي عِيشَةٍ رَّاضِيَةٍ ﴿٧﴾ وَأَمَّا مَنْ خَفَّتْ مَوَازِينُهُ ﴿٨﴾ فَأُمُّهُ هَاوِيَةٌ

"Then he whose deeds weigh heavy in the Balance shall inherit a pleasing life, but he whose deeds weigh light in the Balance Quran 101:6-8

Male, I am not writing all thatt on your threat "Until these beliefs are changed, I will regard myself as an enemy of Islam, Allah, and the Prophet". A threat does not mean any for God if he is God. I am writing you from Quran, which I follow and which I am expectedd to convey.

I hope you are among "whose deeds weigh heavy in the Balance shall inherit a pleasing life"




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dreadful islamic hell
written by male kuffar , August 10, 2012
Dr. Syed K. Mirza wrote an article entitled "The Dreadful Islamic Hell" several years ago, and he had it posted on this website. It would be great to have it reposted so that other persons (like myself) could have the chance to comment upon the article.

The death penalty for apostasy might not be explicitly mentioned in the Quran, but it is mentioned in several hadith. Now I don't know if these hadith are regarded as authentic by Islamic scholars. But what about Abdul Rahman, the Afghan national who was threatened with death back in 2006, and who was granted asylum in Italy? And what about the Christian pastor in Iran who has been imprisoned for some time and still has the threat of death hanging over his head?

Check various websites, and you will find most (if not all) Muslim scholars and sheikhs believe that only Muslims will be sent to Paradise, and that all non-Muslims will be sent to Hell. Most Muslims believe that "shirk" is an unforgivable sin, and being a Christian automatically makes me guilty of this sin. On the other hand, a Muslim is guaranteed eventual admission into Paradise, maybe with some limited time in hell to expiate minor sins. But other scholars follow a hadith that says that a Jew or a Christian will be cast into hell in place of a Muslim who might otherwise spend time there.


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written by Reed Wilson. , August 10, 2012
male kuffar. Dr. Syed K. Mirza would be himself accountable. I hope you know that Quran is last word for Islam. Quran is not saying that paradise is reserved for Muslims only.

In light of Quran 25:30 MOST of Muslims today are hellworthy on account of SHIRK they are doing.

Apostasy.

It is not that apostasy is not mentioned in Quran. It is mentioned several times. Punishment is in hereafter and option of TAUBA is open. How would one do TAUBA when he is killed?

If it found in hadis, it is fabricated and worth rejecting.

Kumar, I am not doing research for the relevant quotes from Quran because you may advance Dr. Syed K. Mirza or some other 'scholar'.

The religious scholars of all religions are dishonest. Quran has no provision of religious scholars. It address common human beings who will answer God on turn.

No religious scholar will come to succor.

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written by Reed Wilson. , August 10, 2012
There is specific mention of Jews/Christians that they will be rewarded.

نَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَالَّذِينَ هَادُوا وَالنَّصَارَىٰ وَالصَّابِئِينَ مَنْ آمَنَ بِاللَّـهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَعَمِلَ صَالِحًا فَلَهُمْ أَجْرُهُمْ عِندَ رَبِّهِمْ وَلَا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ

At some places they are praised. One ought to be good Jew and good Christian.
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why go to paradise?
written by male kuffar , August 10, 2012
I don't think that I would enjoy Paradise. I would enjoy sitting with great Islamic scholars from the Golden Age of Islamic civilization. I have no desire to see Muhammad.

I don't think that the Quran is the last word for anything. At best, it was a transient revelation given for a specific time and location. Nothing in the Quran is incumbent upon me to believe. I respect it as a valuable historical treatise, and that is all.

Could I be wrong in my rejection of Islam, and in my disbelief in Allah and Muhammad? Of course I could be wrong, terribly wrong. But that chance I am willing to take. I don't want to go to Hell, but it may come down to that.



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written by Reed Wilson. , August 12, 2012
male kuffar. You have changed your stance about Islam many times in this week.

It is good.

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