Comments for Muhammad Poor, or Was He? at http://www.islam-watch.org , comment 1 to 58 out of 20 comments http://www.islam-watch.org Thu, 20 Jun 2013 17:14:52 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/68-mumin/282-muhammad-poor-or-was-he.html#comment-18443 I could not cover all the points raised by you in my last post. So I continue. Regarding Arab culture, the tribes could retain their individualities and formed a confederation as in the case of many cultures of the world today. A common plank like Islam is not needed for that work. Nor the unity or common strength would have been any less. Another thing is that you seem to have mentioned that Hitler, Stalin etc. did more killings than any Islamic ruler. Hitler, Stalin etc. were tyrants and they committed the crime in the name of some ideology only which is more or less akin to Islam. As Islam claims to be a religion, it is to be compared with other religions, not with ideologies like nazism, communism etc. In that respect Islam is at the lowest rung. All other religions are progressive, forward looking and keeping pace with the times. The ideologies like Nazism, communism etc. are equally bad like Islam. Another thing I can’t stand is the zero level tolerance of the muslims. A few years back I was witness to a horrifying experience. A co- passenger of mine to Riyadh Airport had a Bible in his hands. At the Airport the Saudi customs officials took it away saying that Bible is not allowed to take into the country and before my co- passenger and myself they tore it into pieces and put it in a waste paper basket. I still remember the shock, disbelief and the sense of helplessness on his face! From your peculiar English I presume you are an Arab. Now tell me, is this the way you are respecting other religionists and other religions? Instead of Bible, just imagine if it was a quran in another country, what would have been your response? I am sure you would have made a hue and cry and your angry co- religionists would certainly cut off head of some innocent people in some parts of the world. How many people you have butchered in many parts of the world in the aftermath of the Danish cartoon and the Pope’s remarks controversies? If you are not respectful towards others’ faith, how can you expect them to respect your Allah and your beloved prophet, who during his lifetime committed heaps and heaps of sins and cruel acts only. Mr. Mourad, I have no hesitation to tell you that you are a brain-washed muslim zombie. That is why, parrot like you are repeating that there is no god other than Allah and Mohd. is his messenger. As a brain washed zombie, you lost the ability to put anything to reason. Otherwise you would have by now critically analysed the various deeds of Mohd. during his life time and found out that he is nothing more than a robber, a child molestor and a murderer all rolled into one and an imposter masquerading as a prophet. - Kafirwala Sat, 26 Dec 2009 05:23:28 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/68-mumin/282-muhammad-poor-or-was-he.html#comment-18415 Many of your statements hold no water and you are evading many of my questions too. Islamic culture in your opinion is preferable to the erstwhile Arabian tribal culture, because the language of the tribes is the same, the people are the same etc. etc. This is not correct. The tribes were using different dialects of Arabic and their traditions, beliefs, practices etc.also differed from tribe to tribe. In fact, the quran was written in the dialect of qureishis. In the initial stages quran written in other dialects was not acceptable. This is the case of Arabic. What about the languages of other areas like Pertian or Farsi(Iran), syriac( syria), Hebrew( Palestine) etc. etc. All these languages became almost non- existent when Islam spread. You claim that numbers, watch etc. are the contibutions of muslims. I don't think so . If at all these are contributions of Arabia or nearby nations like Egypt, these things were discovered or invented much before the advent of Islam, because there is hardly any discovery or scientific advancement under Islam anywhere in the world. How can a people who believe that all knowledge man needs to know is contained in quran find out anything? Forgive me my saying this- Islam is retrograde to the core in everything, be it knowledge or science or anything. It has not outgrown the 7 th century. Idon't have time, otherwise I would have explained it in detail. You also have not answered my questions on quran and Mohd. You ask me whether Mohd. should not have died, as he is a prophet. yes. my contention is that he should not have died at the age of 63. At least upto 100 years he should have lived. Remember Abu Afak, the jewish poet who was murdered by Mohd.s henchman on his orders as a result of his writing a poem criticising Mohd. was 120.(This also will go to show how Mohd. treated his critics.) Even Mohd. didn't know that at such an age he will die. Had he lived more, he would have married another 10 or 15 young maidens(even pre- pubescent children) is another thing. You couldn't also give a satisfactory answer to my question that why the Allah is not helping the muslims nowadays as before. Your ignorance is manifest in the reply that in Algeria it was Allah who helped the Algerians to defeat the French. What a joke! Mr. Mourad, listen. After the IInd world war, there was a rethinking in the minds of all European colonial powers and they decided to leave and free their colonies in Asia and Africa. That is how India, Indonesia, Malaya, Singapore, Ceylone, Algeria, Egypt and many other countries got their freedom. Was it Allah who liberated the kuffar countries also? You accuse me of hatred towards Islam and insult to Allah and Mohd. It is a fact that I am not amused by the Allah and Mohd. since theirs is the philosophy of hatred towards the non- muslims. I also reiterate my opinion that you are not a true muslim since you are not advocating the destruction of the kuffar people in the open. It is a fact that Allah said in quran that all infidels are unintelligent people. I am grateful to you for your having admitted that your Allah is not the ordinary God. That is why I call your Allah a demon. Let him give you abundant wisdom so as to work for the elimination of all kuffar people from this earth. - Kafirwalah Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:32:52 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/68-mumin/282-muhammad-poor-or-was-he.html#comment-18357 4.Foundation of family unit and value system Yahweh in His institution of marriage which is the foundation of any sound society set it on two legs male and female just as human has two legs to balance on and walk and work and grow. But Allah’s institutions of marriage are on shaky foundation of one male and many females. Allah says M+4F=1. Allah made divorce easy for men and not for women. A Woman has no equal right as man in the home, Husband are allowed to beat their wives. Qur'an 4:3"If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with orphans, marry women of your choice who seem good to you, two or three or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to do justice (to so many), then only one, or (a slave) that you possess, that will be more suitable. And give the women their dower as a free gift; but if they, of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, eat it with enjoyment, take it with right good cheer and absorb it (in your wealth)." Tabari IX:113"Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur'an." 5.The propagation of the message Yahweh directed his message to be preached through peaceful persuasion without violence using miracle signs and wonders to prove to men the divinity of the message. Mat 28:19-20 Allah on the other hand directed that his message should be propagated by force threatening men hell and doom without signs and wonders or holy characters which would persuade men to believe. Qur'an:8:39"Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah." Qur'an:8:39"So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)." Muslim:C9B1N33"The Prophet said: 'I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prostration prayer, and pay Zakat. If they do it, their blood and property are protected.'" Bukhari:V4B53N386"Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission. Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: 'Whoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.'" Muslim:C9B1N31"I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and believe in me (that) I am the Messenger and in all that I have brought." Tabari VI:138"Those present at the oath of Aqabah had sworn an allegiance to Muhammad. It was a pledge of war against all men. Allah had permitted fighting." 6.Assurance of salvation Yahweh assurance of salvation is based on the sacrifice of his son Jesus Christ for the atonement of the sin of man which must be received as a gift by faith to guarantee eternal life. Jn 1:12 This is followed by fruitful lives Gal 5:22-23 Sinners are transformed by the Power of God to be saints, missionaries, building schools, hospitals and orphanages, churches for healing deliverances for the good of mankind. Allah’s salvation is based on works to be measured on the balance which can not be known now till the judgement day because Allah has already predestined those who will go to heaven even before they are born and those who will go to hell. Besides all Muslim will pass through hell before some are rescued from there. Also there are no visible good fruits to be seen except terrorism, religious intolerant, violence, women oppression, ignorance and backwardness in science and technology, poverty and stupidity. Tabari I:202"There are people who consider predestination untrue. Then they consider the Qur'an untrue.... People merely carry out what is a foregone conclusion, decided by predestination and written down by the Pen." Qur'an 97:1"We have revealed it (the Qur'an) in the Night of Predestination." Bukhari:V6B60N473"Every created soul has his place written for him either in Paradise or in the Hell Fire. His happy or miserable fate is predetermined for him." Qur'an 5:51"Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends." Bukhari:V4B52N260"The Prophet said, 'If a Muslim discards his religion, kill him.'" - Clement Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:00:54 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/68-mumin/282-muhammad-poor-or-was-he.html#comment-18356 There is a misconception about the identity of God that revealed Himself in the Bible and the one that revealed him in the Quran. For proper identification I am going to use certain parameter to distinguish the two. This will include the Name, the message, the character and example of the messenger, the foundation of family unit and value system, the propagation of the message, the assurance of salvation, the reliability of the word, the description of heaven, description of hell and the final judgement. 1.The name of the deity The God that revealed Himself in the Bible is called Yahweh and in the Quran is called Allah. Ex 3:4 The Muslim must be given credit of sustaining the name of their God for 1400 years s now without ignoring or translating it into various Languages as Jews and Christian did to their God. The generic name for God in Arabic is Ilah and not Allah. This is made clearer in the confession of faith (sha’ada) which says there is no Ilah but Allah and Mohammed is his Massager. In the original Hebrew Language of the Old Testament, Yahweh was used 7000 times whereas in the English Translation alone the name is wrongly translated as Lord or God in the generic terms. Personal names are not supposed to be translated. If this is true it becomes clearer that the two deity are not same. There are many Quran verses and Hadith that prove Allah to be personal name of the Islamic God. There were about 360 personal gods that were being worship in Arabia during the time of Mohammed and Allah happens to be one of them. Others are al-lat (female) al-uzza, manat, the three daughters of Allah. This is confirm in the Quran and Hadith Qur'an 53:19"Have you then seen or thought upon Al-Lat and Al-Uzza (two idols of the pagan Arabs), and considered another, the third (goddess), Manat (of the pagan deities)? What! for you sons, the male sex, and for Him, daughters, the female? Are yours the males and His the females? Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair!" Tabari VI:110"When Muhammad brought a revelation from Allah canceling what Satan had cast on the tongue of His Prophet, the Quraysh said, 'Muhammad has repented of what he said concerning the position of our gods with Allah." Qur'an 52:43"Have they an ilah (god) other than Allah? [An odd question to ask the Meccans since their primary deity was Allah.]" Qur'an 21:107"Say: (Muhammad) 'It is revealed to me that your Ilah (God) is only one Ilah (God). Will you submit to His Will? But if they (disbelievers, Christians, and Jews) turn away (from Islam) say: 'I give notice (of war) to be known to all. But I know not whether the (torment which you are) promised and threatened is nigh or far." Qur'an 20:8"Allah! There is no Ilah (God) save Him. His are the most beautiful Names. To Him belong the most beautiful attributes." Ishaq:162"Abu Jahl met the Apostle and said, 'By Allah, Muhammad, you will either stop cursing our gods or we will curse the god you serve.' So the Qur'an verse was revealed, 'Do not insult those [gods] to whom they pray lest they curse God wrongfully through lack of knowledge.' [Qur'an 6:108] I have been told that the Apostle then refrained from cursing their gods, and began to call them to Allah [rather than Ar-Rahman]." 2.The message The Yahweh of the Bible gave a message centre on love, mercy, compassion, judgement and redemption of the condemned world. John 3:16-18,36 The message of Allah is that of doom, violence ,condemnation without redemption. Muslim:C31B20N4645"The Prophet said: 'Whoever cheerfully accepts Allah as his Lord, Islam as his Religion and Muhammad as his Apostle is necessarily entitled to enter Paradise.' Abu wondered at it and said: 'Messenger of Allah, repeat that for me.' He did that and said: 'There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth.' Abu said: 'What is that act?' He replied: 'Jihad in the Way of Allah! Jihad in Allah's Cause!'" Qur'an:2:193"Fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief) and religion is only for Allah. But if they cease/desist, let there be no hostility except against infidel disbelievers." Qur'an:2:217"They question you concerning fighting in the sacred month. Say: 'Fighting therein is a grave (matter); but to prevent access to Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, to expel its members, and polytheism are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they make you renegades from your religion. If any of you turn back and die in unbelief, your works will be lost and you will go to Hell. Surely those who believe and leave their homes to fight in Allah's Cause have the hope of Allah's mercy." Qur'an:2:244"Fight in Allah's Cause, and know that Allah hears and knows all." Qur'an:2:246"He said: 'Would you refrain from fighting if fighting were prescribed for you?' They said: 'How could we refuse to fight in Allah's Cause?'" Ishaq:280"The Apostle prepared for war in pursuance of Allah's command to fight his enemies and to fight the infidels who Allah commanded him to fight." Qur'an:61:2"O Muslims, why say one thing and do another? Grievously odious and hateful is it in the sight of Allah that you say that which you do not. Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in a battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure." Qur'an 46:12"Before this was the Scripture Book of Moses [the Torah] as a guide. This Book [the Qur'an] confirms and verifies (it) in the Arabic tongue; to admonish the unjust, and as glad tidings to the good-doers." 3.The messenger Yahweh sent Jesus Christ to set the standard of morality and Godly living .His love, compassion, mercies , faithfulness, faith, endurance, peace, meekness and goodness is unsurpassable But the example set by Mohammed the only and final massager of Allah are what not to do rather than what to do. Like polygamy, adultery, incest, murder, fighting , assassination, rape, terrorism ,idolatry, false witness, lust etc. - Clement Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:55:33 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/68-mumin/282-muhammad-poor-or-was-he.html#comment-18300 peace be upon you muslims and good morning everybody , then : i see in your last message that you kept some questions in your possession to give me time answer your first questions , i said it's ok , since you want to make a deal i'm also ready for that . for the information i did not want to be here with peaple who hate us and who disrespect us , when i saw islam watch i understood that it could be an islamic website , when i discovered the reality i said it's ok . i'll wait and see . we are not objective since we are not making a progress in our conversations i'll remind you of the most important points of our conversations together ; *my 1st message contains ; - my story about how kings replied the call of the messenger PBUH . - prophet's main character . *ur 1st message contains ; - you cited the story of the terrorist activities which is islamist . - you accused all muslims who don't fight that we didn't read the Qur'an seriously because the terrorists referred to some verses in the Qur'an as they said . - you said killing the islam ennemies is the duty of all muslims . - you accused me to be misguided because i'm not a terrorist . - you insulted our prophet . * my 2nd message ; then i asked you to be respectful otherwise there is no conversation between me and you . * ur 2nd message contains ; - a deny to insult the character of Mohammed PBUH . - you talked about tribalism as being something marvelous . * my 3 rd message contains ; - i made an explanation about the necissity of making battles . - i mentionned an explanation about slavery and preaching . and i mentionned a question you did not answer it about of the colonizers of europe and US which they led a crusade war against muslims in merely all the world . * ur 3rd message contains ; - you mentionned the conflict which has been occured when the prophet PBUH had disrespect gods' of the arabs (koreish). - you said there is only one self defence war , all the others are attacking battles . *my 4th message contains ; - i asked you to proove that koreish did not hurt mohammed untill long years have been passed and mohammed PBUH was still harming them . - î replied on "they ( koreish) could kill the prophet but they were patients with him . - i talked about some achievements of the prophet in medina *my 5th message contains ; i asked if the economic aspect is the detector for the truth of any religion ur 4th message contains ; - you accused me not to be serious in answering ur questions. - u repeated ur idea about the splendid arab tribal culture as a marvelous thing. - allah's help to the prophet and the muslims . now i'm going to answer your last message questions : 1- a - logic says that power is in the unit , arab tribes had the same culture , the same language , the same destiny , the same character , they glorify the same things (idols , kaa'ba ...) , they have the same history , the same piece of land geographically and many things in between ... , so is not better to unify those people under one religion based on allah's word . i think the european union is a biggest sample of the union to people who shared no common language , no common religion , and they have many differences in their lifestyle , but they accepted to unify because they knew that power exist in the mass , and no body can deny this fact . b - it's also known that people gather and unify strongly under the name of religion than to be unified under economic profits and mutual benefits . 2 - islam civilisation had brought many changes in every domain and field , take the example of the numbers which is used in all the world now , is not an islamic thoughts ? take the example of the watch which was a gift for the king of france and he did not discover what it was , the linguistics as a common feature between languages , is not an islamic , + the islamic style of building ( look at the example of the masjid in grenada spain ) , compare the civilisation which was in spain with france which was still christian .... and many other things . you can see the muslims' medieval inventions and scientific contribution . - even if Mohammed PBUH was the last prophet , the best slave and the most guided creature , the more closed creature to allah , all these characteristics did not allow him make something allah did not want to be , ibrahim ( god bless him ) was died , and before him all of abd ellah ( his father ), amina ( his mother ) , abu talib (his uncle ) , abu talib ( his grand father ) , khadidja ( his wife ) . and it's surely that it's no one's power to save his fathers or sons from death even the prophet . later on he was died , are you going to ask me why did he die ? - mohammed spread over the arab peninsula the islam , and arabic is only the language of this religion , there were in the prophet's time a sahabi (friend) who did not pray to god but because he was sincere and because he was died in the field he was promissed to be in paradise . was it a condition to be arab to be a muslim ? never , and last time i gave the example of al albani who was from albania . - allah said that : "God does not change the condition of a people until they change it themselves" , it's because that most of the people know that islam is the right word of ellah and do not practice carelessly. when crisis , you see many people return back to the religion and to proove that they know that islam is the right word of allah is that they don't agree to change their religion even if they don't practice their duties as praying . * i'll give you an example to proove for you that algeria had bit france when it was colonized , or what do you think about the algerian revolution and be sure that france was not alone in its colonisation to algeria but it was a coalition led by france , there were spanish , italians and other european thieves , they spent 132 years but they were fired after a long battle against them . was not allah the helper there , france possessed a nuclear weapon and it was a measure of force and power at that time and still . what was happening in reality , they were full of fears , why is it because algerians had developped weapons , wallah no ! but because they had faith and most of people at that time were sincere , they did not want but shahada ( to die for allah ) . tell me about now , i'll answer you ; what was happening in irak , a best example is the battle of al felloudja ; did not make american marines be like girls full of fears , they are well covered but they want to be in this life but we muslims when it comes to the honour and defending the borders we like to be in the other life . i'm with all people who defend their lands . allah exist in all parts of this world and in the skies and in the parts where we don't know , because our knowledge is limitted . - you talked about terrorist activities ; unfortunately , we are not the yakoza , cosa nostra , escobar , napoleon , hitler , stalin , bosh , blair and all the majors of israel .../ here i ask you what do you think about the creation of israel and the crushing machine led by the wicked and the malicious majors which in fact did not fight unless behind cover ? when answering this question remember that you have said that problems in this part of the world is made by islam . there is no god but ellah , and mohammed is his messenger - mourad Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:25:28 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/68-mumin/282-muhammad-poor-or-was-he.html#comment-18283 You are not answering any of my questions. Instead, you are simply repeating your argument that Mohd. was indeed a prophet and that he did many great things. Now you bring forth the viewpoint that he was singlehandedly responsible for the birth and spread of Arab nationalism not only in the Arabian peninsula and Egypt, but also as far away as Turkey. You also seem to suggest that eventhough he was wronged by his opponents many times, as he was a prophet, Allah was very benevolent towards him and protected him in all adversities and strengthened his hands to accomplish whatever he did during his lifetime. In other words, the victories and great deeds of Mohd. itself are the proof for his prophethood. So far I have been trying to convince you that all your above claims are simply humbug. When you claim that he created Arab nationalism, you forget that he destroyed the erstwhile splendid Arab tribal culture. Likewise he and his followers destroyed the magnificent Pertian, Mesopotamian, Syrian, Isrealite, Egyptian and the Byzzantaine cultures without any mercy and in its place, placed the Islamic culture which is retrograde and backward by any standards. If the above cultures were left to exist, these countries would have been the centre of the world today! Because Islam was thrust upon these people in the seventh and subsequent centuiries, there has been no progress ever since. Tell me is there any Islamic country which will come in the first 20 developed countries in the world? Take any index, other than growth of population and illiteracy, these countries are lagging far behind. Why? You ask me whether economic growth is the scale to measure the greatness of Islam. Of course, it is one of the indices. You claimed that Allah protected Mohd. his last prophet. You answer me 2-3 simple questions. Why Allah didnot give him a son? Mohd. was dying to have a son. He claimed the child of Maria as his son.( Some nasty infidels say that it was not his son.) When the child fell sick at the age of 18 months or so, did not Mohd. pray to Allah for 2 days continuously sitting near the child's bedside? Why the child did not survive? Why Allah was so heartless as to turn a deaf ear to Mohd.'s prayers? The same Allah who was benevolent enough to invite Mohd. to the heaven and show all his architectural and creative expertise did not answer Mohd.'s fervent prayers on this occasion. Why? In the wars fought by Mohd. also, it is said that Allah helped him a lot and that is the reason he could win over his opponents' mammoth armies. Even Mohd. said that in the Badr war, Allah sent an army of malaks to fight with the muslims and that is how they had won. Well, you also claimed that with Allah's help only muslims could win all over Arabian peninsula, Northern Africa and a part of Europe also. What Allah has proclaimed thru Mohd.? If the muslims are steadfast they can win over even a 10 fold stronger army. My question is- why the muslims do not win nowadays? For the last 150 years or so, ie. after the invention of dynamite by the infidels to be exact, there is no victory registered by muslims anywhere in the world. Why? Where is Allah? Why he is not helping the muslims as in the previous centuries? In my opinion, muslims are most steadfast in their beliefs, actions and battles now more than at any point of time in history. Still, it is sad that Allah is playing foul. Of course these questions are based on quran and the prophet's sunna. I have got some more questions to ask you. Let it be later. In the mean time, may the lone entity Allah without any partners or helpers give you wisdom and proper guidance! - Kafirwalah Wed, 23 Dec 2009 11:16:39 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/68-mumin/282-muhammad-poor-or-was-he.html#comment-18239 you are measuring greatness of islam with the economic success of pakistan , is it a serious question ? !!! this is meaning to believe all in islam from 7 th century untill the 17 or 18 th cent and then we think if we follow catholics , protestants or atheists , now according to you which nation is the first economically , tell me may be i'll will know through your answer which one will be your direction , either you will be christian or atheist ! is it a measure , the economic success , you answer this question . - mourad Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:06:39 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/68-mumin/282-muhammad-poor-or-was-he.html#comment-18238 "you said they could kill him ", wallah they tried many times but allah said no by keeping his message expanding and his word taking leadership and supremacy . i think you have many lies in your head , hope you can correct all these mistakes . "Coming back to Mohd., in Madina what he did?" , is it true that you don't see what the prophet did ? making a nation based on faith , unifying the arabs , stopping all bad habbits in the arabic culture (nudity , wine , prostitution , interest in trade , wars raid , tribalism , worshipping stones ... ) , spread of tolerance and all morals in the peninsula after it became under islam rules . all this and more is nothing in your point of view . what possible outset can be noticed by you sir if all this is nothing - mourad Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:54:39 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/68-mumin/282-muhammad-poor-or-was-he.html#comment-18237 you said " But, they never harmed him. Before long a stage came when they had to take some action." proove this - mourad Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:45:18 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/68-mumin/282-muhammad-poor-or-was-he.html#comment-18236 our prophet did insult the stupidity to worship stones and it's a proof that he didn't renovelled the stories but it was the message of god , even if it was so risky but he was courageous enough and honnest enough . the prophet prayed god in all the places where he was , under pression , in good times , in position , under fear , in the medina , in mecca before and after the message . the Ka'ba is a sacred house and it has many significances for us and all abraham's followers , this house is the first building in this earth . allah exist every where and anytime , no vacation , no absence ,no sleeping . whenever you ask god for anything , god heard him , and god answer any seeker in the appropriate time . hope i did answered you / and sir if you continue disrespecting the prophet , you don't deserve an answer i think , i don't ask you to believe he was the prophet but to respect this human being . - mourad Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:42:25 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/68-mumin/282-muhammad-poor-or-was-he.html#comment-18235 peace be upon all who follows islam and good morning every body , 1 - if all challengers of islam among the leaders of churches and other religions are either defeated or converted into islam from the time of Mohammed PBUH and untill now , people should understand the truth of this message , our prophet came to be the all world wide saver from ignorance and darkness , he was the best arabian speaker and the most courageous man and the best father and the best husband and the best father , the real leader and the most serious peace maker . you can criticise any muslim but our prophet ask about him but do not accuse him and never disrespect him . thank you for your consideration which i felt in your message and hope you can answer some of my questions ; 1 - if Mohammed PBUH is not a prphet ? what do you consider him and based on what you have said so ? 2 - is Mohammed a money and fame seeker ? 3 - if islam is based on lies how do you think it's mentionned in the Qur'an that ; - this Qur'an will remain without deviation in the text . - this new religion will be heard and will dominate eventhough he was suffering . - how he could defeat all the disbelievers in the world in the same time ( rome / persia / egypt / hebecenia / arab peninsula / and all existed nations which did not believe in islam message . ? - how we was sure to defeat persia after the death of 14 kisras (kings) which took 4 years ? - have you red about the islamisation of yemen ? read the way they became muslims . -Qur'an is full of miracles and still we are discovering its meanings ; the prophet said that romans will defeat persians and they were weaker at that time , the drinkable and non drinkable water in the same place between bresil and argentina , the mummy of pharaoh , and all the verses which talk about the skies and the cosmos , something which can not be seen at that time . - he was not a jewish and not a christian but he did not pray and worship stones ? was not allah who protected him . - the messenger promessed his followers that they will open cham (syria, lebanon , jorday and palestine ) al madaiin ( persia ) and eastern rome (turkia). how could he do especially that he was under threats of all arab disbelievers ? and he promessed suraka with kisra bracelet ? - mourad Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:20:11 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/68-mumin/282-muhammad-poor-or-was-he.html#comment-18226 I hope you will agree that Mohammed was born into the tribe of qureshis. Now you complain that qureshis persecuted him and his small group of followers when Mohammed started his preaching. But, what was Mohd. doing? He was mercilessly criticising and ridiculing the age-old beliefs of qureshis like worshipping 360 gods, idols etc. etc. The qureshis so many times asked Mohd. to stop his vilifying compaign. He never paid any attention to it. In fact, it was his uncle Abu Taliq who went and apologised to the qureshi leaders and pacified them on behalf of his nephew. Eventhough he did that out of love for his nephew, he knew that Mohammed was not a straight forward person and an imposter only. That is why he refused to join Islam till his last breath. How can you find fault with the qureshis? They could have killed Mohd. for his outbursts ridiculing their faith and practices. But, they never harmed him. Before long a stage came when they had to take some action. Expecting this, very cleverly Mohd. fled Mecca and took shelter in Madina. Now suppose muslims were in place of qureshis. They would have lynched their critic. Take for example, even in the 20th century how muslims are behaving? What was the response of Muslims to the innocuous remarks of Pope Benedict XVI to the effect that Mohammed never brought anything new and that he did some evil things only. In fact, what he said is absolutely true. How many christians were butchered by muslims in different parts of the world as a result of Pope's remarks? How can you claim Islam is a peaceful religion? I must be extremely stupid to admit that claim. Coming back to Mohd., in Madina what he did? He formed a small army of mercenaries and plundered and looted all caravans passing thru the desert near Madina. Everybody knows that from that beginning what Mohd. did and where he reached. How many wars he fought in self- defence? Historians say only one. The other wars numbering around eighty he fought just for expansion of his feifdom. In the process, how many people he killed and how many destitutes he created? He fought with all the tribes in Arabia on flimsy grounds and annihilated all men who refused to join Islam. Can you deny these facts? I am asking you again in which way he was the light to enlighten the world and surroundings? I can only find him as the representative of satan. You may be respecting Moses, Jesus etc. As far as I know they have not done any destructive work like Mohd. did. Mohd. never said anything against the major social evils of his time viz. slavery, polygamy, child molestation etc. In fact, he merrily practised all these vices to the brim and advocated against small vices like drinking, gambling, usury, idol worshipping, multi- god concept etc. In any society there will be a small section of the people who indulge in drinking, gambling, usury etc. From time immemorial till this day that is the case. Multi-god and idol worship are harmless in so far as it doesnot harm anybody. Hindus in India are worshipping many gods and idols. Compared to their neighbours, muslims in Pakistan, how much progressive and developed Indians are. Mr. Mourad should spare a little time to critically examine these things. - Kafirwalah Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:59:36 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/68-mumin/282-muhammad-poor-or-was-he.html#comment-18215 The saddest thing is that the prophet wasn't that bad in comparison with some of his followers. Ali wanted everyone killed. Umar was a savage and cruel man...that's why the siites hates the gutds of this caliph who had left no evidence whatsoever....lack of evidence is a typical thing in islam. - Machmoed elchalid Tue, 22 Dec 2009 07:17:05 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/68-mumin/282-muhammad-poor-or-was-he.html#comment-18210 spirit, kindness, forgiveness, logic, rationality, love, mercy, compassion and all the other good qualities decent human beings possess. - Steve Tue, 22 Dec 2009 06:55:32 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/68-mumin/282-muhammad-poor-or-was-he.html#comment-18208 because he said i won't believe in stones to be my god , i already believed in god the creator , the most powerful and the allmighty. It's a shame he gave in when it comes to the stone of Ishtar (black stone). The prophet and his compagnies prayed 6 years (624-630 A.D.) to the ka'ba while it was full of rocks and god's....hmmmm....he wouldn't believe in stones he! Could you explain me why he prayed to the Ka'ba while it's full of other Gods? - Machmoed elchalid Tue, 22 Dec 2009 06:13:12 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/68-mumin/282-muhammad-poor-or-was-he.html#comment-18207 The prophet of islam is been rediculed by arabs themselfes. Everything that we know about the prophet is from muslims.....and now you're insulted by nun-muslims because they repeat facts/opions that is written about islam/muhammad...are you confused? - Machmoed elchalid Tue, 22 Dec 2009 06:07:26 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/68-mumin/282-muhammad-poor-or-was-he.html#comment-18182 Mourad, Maybe I said it a little clumsily, but I do differentiate between Mohammed and actors and more ordinary people. But in my post I also mentioned historically important and beloved people and politically beloved people. Let us say; Gandhi, Martin Luther, Martin Luther King, Mother Theresa, Churchill, even Jesus himself. I was trying to say that each in their own time and later had fierce critics, there was even often ridicule for them too. And Muslims themselves also criticize and ridicule often, thus hurting the feelings of others as well. And so, I say that Mohammed and the Islamic faith too are going to be criticized and insulted, inevitably and rightly so. But together with that also respected a lot by a lot of people. I get the impression from many Muslims and well-meaning people that they think and demand that Mohammed and the Islamic faith should be exempted from that and I emphatically think they should not. And I emphasized that in my opinion, many people just don’t respond to politeful, respectful criticism, but just have to be shocked. Otherwise they will shrug off all attempts of peaceful criticism. But when hard and long provoked by some hardliners they then will be willing to reason with other more moderate critics. And only then be interested and making progress. And many Muslims fit that bill, in my experience. Though of course it is a trait many humans have. You said you respected me but attacked the stupidity in me. That is what the majority of writers and posters here think about Muslims; perfectly allright people, except for some stupid parts of Islam in their minds. I myself humbly accept that I have faults, flaws and shortcomings in me. - Demsci Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:48:05 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/68-mumin/282-muhammad-poor-or-was-he.html#comment-18175 Not scholarly at all. If Muhammad was already rich and powerful, why did he endure the years of hardships and turmoil that were triggered by him accepting Islam? Doesn't make much sense does it? I thought he allegedly created the entire act in order to attain wealth/ - John Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:10:09 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/68-mumin/282-muhammad-poor-or-was-he.html#comment-18153 salam to all muslims and good morning to the members here , i see that you don't differentiate between actors , celebrities who run after fame and money and spend their honours and every possible mean and way to be heard with the best man ever walked on earth surely you have no idea about what you are talking about ! but since you ask for something i will answer you inshallah ; well i'm here and i'm reading some insults , yes , but i'm here for a reason not randomly as may many people are doing ( negative presence ) i'm here to say a right word because i know . a good french thinker said that the importance of a personality who change the world can be tested under ; - the smallness of means and support . - the greatness of goals and objectives . - the outstanding results . and he said ; if we consider thoses main points we can conclude that Mohammed is the greater man who ever made the big change in the history of mankind . ( to inform you this man is not a muslim and he was not born in an islamic nation but in france ) if you are objective and someone who does not talk for talking without goals and abjectives next time when you compare Mohammed the prophet compare him with somebody who was merely in the same weight in the balance , like prophets if you want . not with hookers , whores and gays whom you want to be their fan . islam did spread because it has the proof which well thinkers look for not because did not criticise it , and people like you did serve islam more then causing bad results to its message . many people have heard about islam through its ennemies and then they became muslims , so think before writing and next time if i find a silly question i won't respond on you , i'm not disrespecting you but i attack this stupidity in you . thx and good time - mourad Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:27:39 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/68-mumin/282-muhammad-poor-or-was-he.html#comment-18152 salam for all the muslims and good morning every body , answer to Mr kafirwalah ; 1 - yes , you have to respect Mohammed because he is the light to enlighten earth and what surrounded it , you will respect him because we respect moses , jesus and all prophets and good people ... no because i asked you but because i remind you . 2 - you seem to me as a person who look after some informations about him , i'll tell you ; you denounced him of making an army , tell me ; how many times koreich people did hurt him with every possible mean , they punched him on face , they tortured him and his friends , they burnt their houses in their city ( mecca ) they asked young childrean to throw stones on his body when he was preaching , they cut all relationship with all his followers and helpers , no food , no water nothing to live and more than that they tortured the poorest among them . they fired him from his city , they incited other people not to believe him and his message ( like they did with pilgrims and they followed the believers to abacena and they incited el najachi to fire them from his country ) they said he is foolish , they said he's a poet ( a dreamer ) and even a sorcerer . all that and more much why ? !!!! because he said i won't believe in stones to be my god , i already believed in god the creator , the most powerful and the allmighty . this is why they made everything bad against him for a wor he said . then put in your mind that he didn't attack any tribe for years even when he was a leader of the believers but they were just defending against disbelievers attacks . then after all what they did to him he forgive merely all mecca and he entered in 10 hidjri to mecca peacefully . this is to show you that most of the battles he had were done by force then he used to attack them to prevent them attacking his capital city . the case with abroad differs , you know through books of seerah that he sent his messengers to all the nations next to the arabic peninsula , the answers were differents , like take an example of al bahrain kingdom ; they accepted islam and they used to manage their nation under islamic rules . yemen also , habacenia was different because the king accepted islam but most of his people did not do . in the case of egypt , al mukaukas , king of egypt did reply peacefully as we know that you mohammed is the messenger of god but they did not accpet islam because it does not look appropriate to the kind of ife they enjoyed . for eastern rome , the answer changed after accepting islam in the first time , they did change their minds and the prophet mohammed PBUH did know that . finally the king of persia "kisra" , he cut the letter and ordered his allied force of yemen to bring him a man who said he is a new prophet , you know the story of the two yamani people who came to the prophet to take him peacefully because they don't disturb an army for an arabian . when he said that kisra is dead , they were astonished with his answer for kisra's call and so on.... , put in your mind if you are looking for truth without arrogance , al ghaassina , a big and famous arabian tribe an allied force to the romans had killed many muslims' preachers . why ? !!! simply because they were spreading all over the south of their borders . what if they left them peacefully invite people to their religion ; if it's a true concept people will follow if not people will judge them . but no , surely it was inappropriate to their governors new concepts which talk about equality of all mankind . look always when you open doors for conversations people do believe in islam ,and i'm not lying look at the time now , many lyers are creating anything to weaken the image of purity which islam has from islamists , jews , christians and many others . it does not mean that all non-muslims are accomplices , no ! but i'm talking about those who changed our image even among us ( i mean some misguided muslims ) when you close the doors for islam we should fight the king's slaves to free all the people and let them know about reality , after all surely you know what persians were worshiping ! myserable , most of arabians also did worshipon stones to be their gods . talking about slavery , islam did not create slavery and you know that , it's because it seemed an ordinary and common lifestyle that islam did not fight it and slaves in islam had fuul rights not as people think now , they can marry anyone both noble and slaves , they could lead an army , they could be a preacher , they could accept and refuse , all their rights were garanted by islam and you know the story of zayed who was called "zayd ibn mohammed" and his son "oussama" who was a leader of an army and under him were abu bakr , omar , and many close friends to the prophet Mohammed PBUH . you told people that mohammed robbed caravans in the peninsula , is not a lie this one , did not you consider their loss in mecca him and all his friends , they came to medine without a dinar , no clothes , no jewelery , no money , nothing at all , all was robbed by kuffar of mecca . Mohammed PBUH had turned people who lived with vein , worshippers of stones , killers of their daughters , thieves and at best traders with deception , he turned them to honnest people , people who lived to spread the religion of allah , don't you notice the difference . wallah even blind people do notice that but arrogants keep following some of our mistakes to blame islam i tell all the readers here and i don't lie inshallah , if you Mr kafirwalah consider that because of some mistakes of a small part in this ummah who don't differentiate between the right path and the wrong one and whom they kill people under the name of islam , for those thousands at best you accused all the others to misunderstand islam's message as you did accuse me an ummah which contains about more than 1 billion and four hundred millions of people . people in many nations are defending their lives , honours , money and religions , in irak , palestine , chechenia , afghanistan and many other places . plz tell me ; what do you call the colonizers of israel , france , england , spain , US , holland , belgium , russia , germany , those who bited nations and burnt houses , killed their men and raped their girls and women , what do you call all these christians , jews , atheists and many others who burnt mosquees and replaced some mosquees to be stable for horses like they did in algeria . surely you have an answer for me because you are one of them and at best you didn't support them . thx for ur time and seeya - mourad Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:09:11 +0100