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Review: "Modern Day Trojan Horse: The Islamic Doctrine of Immigration"

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Within the past few decades, mosques have increasingly dotted the landscapes of American and European cities and towns, with mega mosques often overshadowing adjacent, centuries-old churches in predominantly Christian regions.  Islamic schools or academies and a host of Muslim organizations have become omnipresent across the West.

Book on Islamic immigrationMeanwhile, Americans and Europeans have made countless accommodations to Muslim demands. They have included footbaths; high-decibel, five-times-daily calls to prayer; segregated male-female gym and swimming pool hours; halal food; workplace dispensations for handling pork products and for female head and face coverings; and special, public prayer rooms. Also, shari'ah-compliant financial transactions, the expunging of offensive likenesses of Mohammed or imagined depictions of Arabic characters that connote "Allah," official swearings-in on Korans in place of customary Bibles, the neutralizing of official descriptive language about Islamists and the jihad, the revision of so-called offensive content in movies and television programs, the removal of representations of pigs from the public sphere, and many other acculturations to Muslim entreaties have all been made in the service of respecting Muslim religious beliefs and practices. 

To those in Western democracies, these accommodating actions appear, on the surface, to be little more than harmless civil gestures, respecting the needs of a growing religion in their midst and welcoming a new addition to their proud, multicultural tradition.  Many Westerners pat themselves on the back for their liberal bent, their tolerance and their open-mindedness. 

Little do they realize that this strategic pattern of demands is part of an insidious, 1,400-year-old proscription for Muslims that originates in the Koran and the Sunnah, the deeds of Mohammed.  It is the Hijra or doctrine of immigration. Modeled by Mohammed's migration from Mecca to Medina, this immigration is not to a romanticized melting pot wherein newcomers gratefully search for opportunities for a better life in liberty and freely offer their talents and loyalty to benefit their new homeland.  This is immigration for Islamic expansionism employing ethnic separatism to gain special status and privileges within the host country.  Hijra is immigration designed to subvert and subdue non-Muslim societies and pave the way for eventual, total Islamization.

In their compelling book, "Modern Day Trojan Horse:  The Islamic Doctrine of Immigration," authors Sam Solomon, a former professor of shari'ah law and convert to Christianity, and Elias Al Maqdisi, an expert on Islamic teachings, explain the migration of Muslims to the Dar-al-Harb, the "land of war," as a religious edict with a basis in Islamic doctrine.  They delineate the step-by-step process of this 1,400-year-old strategy of conquest. It is a transitional strategy which they characterize as the most important step in spreading Islam and preparing for jihad.  From their carefully delineated treatise on Hijra, it is clear that migration in concert with military conquest comprise the bookends of Islamic expansionism.

Solomon and Al Maqdisi review the phases of the Hijra and its juristic or legal basis in Islamic doctrine.  Under the cover of taquiya or deception, the step-by-step methodology of the migration process is designed to subdue, then, subjugate the host culture, culminating in implementation of shari'ah law.

The beginning phase of Islamization usually includes activities pivotal to building a physical presence. It consists of public calls to prayer; founding of schools, libraries and research centers; and the teaching of Arabic -- actions that appear to be reasonable and respectable infrastructure requirements necessary to support the presence of a faith.  At this point in the Hijra, it is permissible for Muslims to engage in haram, or forbidden actions, out of necessity to establish and empower the umma or Muslim community.  Koranic rules such as the prohibition against friendships with infidels are suspended while the objectives of future Islamization are systematically put into place. In its initial phase, the Hijra passes scrutiny by the West whose citizens erroneously view the migration as mainly economic -- a pilgrimage for a better life.

Solomon and Maqdisi examine the comprehensive strategy that begins with the establishment of the umma or Muslim community. The mosque becomes the locus of power, a strategic base and the center of all activities.  They explain how in this embryonic phase, a top priority is the scouting for new arrivals to expand and empower the existing Muslim community.  Muslim leaders offer solicitous assistance and helpful suggestions for schools, housing, mosque worship, halal markets and other services to ingratiate themselves with new arrivals and bring them into the local Muslim community.  Agents of local mosques, ever alert for new immigrants and potential converts, engage in subtle forms of indoctrination and police local Muslims.

This first step of establishing the mosque as the center of local Islamic life and activities is mistakenly viewed by non-Muslims as merely the benign construction of houses of worship.  Its true goal escapes notice, that of firmly establishing a purposeful non-integrated Muslim identity to advance the goal of Islamization.

Once the consolidation of the Muslim community occurs under the radar, the purposeful fight for special status and shari'ah follows. As dictated by the Koran and Sunnah, segregation from non-Muslims is a natural outcome of the advancement of the Hijra.

Visible changes begin to be apparent as the Muslim population achieves more of a critical mass.  Over time, the dress code, often beginning with a hijab in segregated enclaves and moving toward the complete covering of a neqab in the public sphere, separates Muslim women from men and from non-Muslim women.  Eventually, as the host population becomes familiarized with what they believe to be the requirements of religious piety, demands are made for segregation at public facilities, in the workplace and at schools and universities. Requests for halal food, shari'ah-compliant financial transactions and the addition of Muslim holidays to public calendars further elevate the Muslim community with a special status making them separate and distinct.

All demands are initially presented as benign attempts to accommodate the religious requirements of devout Muslims. Any actions to suppress them are decried as religious discrimination.  In the United States, requests for separate swimming and gym hours for Muslim men and women, demands for identification photos for licenses for women wearing hijabs and refusals to handle pork products or don immodest dress in the workplace have appeared.  At this point, representatives of the Muslim community are often working cooperatively with the host government to bring about change.  As Solomon and Maqdisi explain, the idea is to get the host society accustomed to Muslim buildings, customs, holidays, dress and food.  Newcomers are encouraged by Muslim leadership to become citizens, vote and run for political office to increase the umma's influence.

At the university level, students are indoctrinated to become advocates for Islam, engage in interfaith activities and da'wa or proselytization and train for jihad.  Non-Muslims professors are solicited through zakat or payments to present courses favorable to Islam and write and speak publicly to promote Islam. The bequeathal by Saudi Prince Al-waleed bin Talal of $20 million dollars for Islamic study centers at Harvard and Georgetown universities, respectively, was a gesture to insure the promulgation of positive research, publications and presentations toward Islam.

In "Modern Day Trojan Horse," Solomon and Maqdisi point out that as Muslims gain power and mass in the host country, consolidation of identity occurs, as well as strengthening of their infrastructure of mosques, schools, clubs, organizations and media.  The doctrine of taquiya is firmly in place as Muslims hide behind the dictates of their religious devotion and seek cultural changes in the land of the non-Muslim or kuffar.  At this more advanced stage, attempts are made to silence opponents and curry favor. The judicious use of zakat elicits favorable views of Muslims and Islam from politicians, representatives from the media and other organizations.  For example, within the last couple of years in the United States, the words, "jihad" and "Islamofascism," have been expunged from the lexicon of government officials and the words, "Islamic" and "terrorism," are rarely paired.  In Europe, which is further advanced in this process, a dangerous turn materialized with the murder of filmmaker ,Theo Van Gogh, who produced a film on the subjugation of women in Islam, and with death threats against Dutch parliamentarian Geert Wilder for his outspoken criticism of Islam.

As Islamization of the host culture proceeds apace, preparations begin for learning the skills necessary for jihad.  Young jihadists may travel to their countries of origin for further indoctrination and terrorist training.  This development has been noted within Somali Muslim communities in Minnesota and Tennessee. Young Muslims have disappeared to Somalia to rendezvous with Al Shabaab, a terrorist group linked to Al Qaeda.

As the resident Muslim community becomes more established and begins to wield considerable power in the political arena, pressure is brought to bear on politicians to permit shari'ah law courts in exchange for Muslim votes.  This is very much evident in Britain where parallel systems of legal jurisprudence currently coexist.  Muslim inhabitants of the host country are pressured to follow shari'ah law in lieu of the prevailing legal system.  Several recent legal decisions by non-Muslim judges in Europe have referenced shari'ah law as a standard for verdicts concerning Muslims.

As the intensity of the hijra advances, the appearance of open ghettos or Muslim-only regions occurs.  These are areas where non-Muslims are essentially prohibited and where, if they enter, they actually may be physically threatened.  Such no-go zones, where even non-Muslim community workers are unwelcome, exist throughout Europe today.  Remarkably, Muslim movements are never restricted; they venture freely anywhere in the host country.

As Solomon and Maqdisi point out, the Hijra is a comprehensive and direct political attempt to undermine the culture and values of the host country and replace them with Islam and shari'ah.  It is an insidious migration seeking transformation of the culture, behaviors, customs, rules and laws of a host society to spread Islam and establish an Islamic state.  The stages of the Hijra are very much evident in varying degrees in all Western societies today.  Ironically, our open democratic societies with constitutionally mandated freedoms of speech, religion and assembly have facilitated this march toward the very demise of our way of life.

"Modern Day Trojan Horse" should be required reading for all citizens of Western democracies who urgently need to understand the Hijra and the threat it represents. The book sounds the alarm for the cautious evaluation of what may appear to be innocent religious practice in our midst but has sinister motives to transform our societies forever.

This articles first appeared in American Thinker.
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Time for action
written by Wake Up , August 16, 2009
1. Stop further muslim immigration immediately without fail.(No new muslim will be given citizenship, even through marriage).
2. Create a ministry in each european country which will study the muslims in the country like occupation they do, women participation, hijab wearing women, number of children, education of both male female, how many are in jail and what reason?, welfare fund taken by muslims, integration problems by them, what islamic groups they belong etc.
3. Stop any new mosque construction and all mullahs should have to resgister with ministry and declare that all human beings irrespective of religion and sex are equal and they wount preach any hate against others. If the mullahs are found preaching hate, just send them back with there family out of the country.
4. All dual citizens should be forced to leave country.
5. proposing attractive terms that muslims leave.
6. declare clearly that islam is a hostle ideology to others and thus muslims are unwelcome and will be on watch.
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written by y.m , August 16, 2009
The solution for west is a return to christian morality and values.Western socities have gone off the deep-end in the name of multiculturalism and inter-faith co-opration and political correctness.Islam destroys every thing it touchs,including your mind and your soul.Their stupidity is astonishing.These breeding parasites,arrogantly stupidly believing they are pious and holier.They are pathetic and brain dead zombies.Muslims praise democracy and interfaith multiculturalism in the west,because it suits them for the time being,but they deny and do not want to put into practice the same system in their muslim lands.Muslims are playing (Taqyyah) deception with Kaffars according to their belief,and they do not feel any guilt or shame in it.Quran allows muslims to lie to unbelivers,suras,3:28-16:106.Sooner or later the Americans and the Europeans will become dhimmies(second class citizens) in their own countries unless a large number of muslim immigrants are not expelled from America and Europe.
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Trojan horse
written by To y.m , August 16, 2009
I agree with Y.M that Islam and the Muslims are the greatest threat to the secular West.They have got to go back to their Christian roots and start the new crusade against Islam It has got to be exposed and destroyed.It is basically an evil ideology and its followers are evil to the core.They use deception called TAQQYIA to deceive the gullible people in the West.It is safer to trust a deadly snake than a Muslim because they are more vicious than even the most deadly snakes.Wake up West and seek the free advice of the non-Muslims from the Muslim countries who understand the muslim mind much better,since they have lived among the Muslim snakes.Never ever trust a Muslim.Your safety lies in that.
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To YM
written by Ram , August 16, 2009
If Muslims spread hate on others who don't beleive Islam, Christian missionaries are no less evil. I accuse one McCaulay who plotted systematic destroyal of Hinduism in India during the British occupation. Countries like Saudi Arabia, UAE and Pakistan are doing the right thing towards Christian West. They don't let the missionaries spread their Spiritual-less religion in those countries and parctice non-tolerance. The Hindus are very tolerant and the Missionaries take advantage of their passiveness and try to destroy the original faith of the land. Even today, the Christian missionaries in India spread lies about Hinduism to spread Christianity. I don't want to spread Hinduism, but want to guard the great treasure to human kind from the evil eyes of Christian Missionaries. They too spread hate in an attempt to sell their faith.
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Hate and violence
written by Ram , August 16, 2009
Not neccesarily Hate could be only sold by sperading violence. By even practising non-violence, hate can be spread and the example is "Christian Missionaries". They have money and they want to throw this silly material to the needy in an attempt to sell their faith. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. While they are spreading their idiotic faith in India, the people of Christian faith are leaving their religion in America and the West. Nobody is serious going to the CHurch nowadays. WHichever religion leads the Buman towards material pleasure will not last long. I see many "THanks giving" advts. by CHristians in newspapers and this shows their thirst for material pleasures. Their god grants them the material that they need and receive their "Thanks giving'. It is the idiotic west were Parents are neglected by CHildren while they grow and remember a Mother only on a Mother's day. In the Hindu tradition, your parents are also like the Gods and you treat them properly throughout life and not once in an year.
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written by IK , August 16, 2009
Dear Ram,
You are blinded by hate toward Christians brother. Not a good thing
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Hindu tolerance
written by balam to ram , August 17, 2009
I could not understand the gibberish opinion by Ram.Hinduism and Islam are twin poly- deist pagan ideologies.At one stage,the followers of Mohammad were advised by Mohammad to worship the three daughters of moon god Allah as well.Later,like so many abrogations in the Quran,they were told, only to worship the pagan pre-Islamic moon god Allah .Hence they still remain pagans like Hindus who worship false perishable gods like monkeys,cows,snakes ect.Therefore they also inherit the charactristic of those animals.Tolerance in Hinduism is just a Con trick and hindu taqqiya like that of Muslims.If they can not tolerate their own lower caste hindus,then how could they be tolerant to non-Hindus.Self praise is no recommendation!!!You can see the Hinndu tolerance toward the Peaceful Christians in Orrisa and other parts of India.It speaks for itself of the Hindu claim of tolerance.Every Christian is a peaceful Missionary to spread the Good News of salvation through Christ Jesus and not like MOhammad and Allah-the pagan moon god through the sword or pantheon of animal gods in Hiduism.It should not be cosidered offensive if a man who has been blessed with sight to help the spiritully blind.The Christians never use violence to preach their message like Mohammadans.If the Christians help the despised low cast Hidus,it should be valued and appreciated.The so called high caste hindus should also realize that they came through the same passage of a woman as their low caste brethren. It goes for the Muslims as well who were fooled by Mohammad as to believe that they were the best of the people.May be the best looters,rapist,murders,cheatrs or paedophiles but not as human beings with human heart and compassion for others .
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to balam
written by vbv , August 17, 2009
You can stuff your christian 'taqiya' you know where! Both islam and christianity are cults emanating from that immoral jewish 'patriarch Abraham. They both share the same mythology and idealogy of destruction of all other cultures and imposing their immoral cult by force/fraud/threat. History is witness to christians committing genocides in the American continents ,Africa,Asia,Australia. The original inhabitants in the USA have all been decimated without a trace, the spanish conquerors looted the civilisations in central and south Americas, the aborigines are a third class citizens in their own country in what is now Australia, slavery flourished until the beginning of twentieth century in Southern Africa, what about apartheid, what about Zimbabwe where whites usurped all the lands creating huge ranches for themselves .... the list is indeed huge.
Even today what is happening in Iraq is shameful with christian american soldiers gunning down women and children with impunity ( even Chomsky had said that USA invasion of Iraq is a war crime and the crime is being perpetrated till this day with POWs sexually abused,tortured just because of their race and faith).
You have the cheek to talk about castism in India with such a disastrous record of human rights abuses and massacres for centuries. Atleast in India the law of the land has abolished castism . We have had Presidents like K.R.Narayanan,Abdul Kalaam, Chief Ministers like Mayavati, Karunanidhi,Bangarappa,Central Ministers like Jag Jivan Ram, Sushil Shinde,who held important cabinet positions ,not to omit the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of India Justice Balakrishnan,etc... the list is very long ,indeed.
Islam and christianity are two sides of the same coin and history is witness to all its attrocities committed in the name of religion ,wars ,jihads ,crusades undertaken in the name of islam/christianity, the practice of slavery,discrimination, intolerance towards other cultures by denigrating them calling them derogatory names such as 'heathens' ,pagans', aborigines,niggers,chinks,etc.

Hinduism has never promioted castism in its scriptures.The author of Ramayana ,Valmiki who belongs to the dalits/sxcheduled trribe class, the author of Mahabharata was himself not a brahmin as his mother was a fisherwoman and father a forest recluse or rishi, so also KabirDas, Raidas, Meerabai,Dr. Ambedkar,and scores of other philosophers,poets,writers,thinkers,etc. over centuries. Even the most popular "Gods" Rama was a Kshatriya ,while Krishna was brought up by Yadavas ,who even till this day are officially classified as 'backward casts' entitling them to concessions in education and jobs. The sheer fact that India with its diversity - with over twenty major languages, over 200 dialects , myriads of customs and beliefs have coexisted for centuries without trying to decimate the other to impose one's own dogma speaks volumes for its credentials as a tolerant and a humane society. And we certainly do not need the certificate of such dubious persons on what/who is tolerance and egalitarianism! And that too from a fanatic christian!
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Reply to Balam & IK
written by Ram , August 17, 2009
You have exactly written the distorted, superficial vision of Hinduism (without having any bit of understanding in depth) as spread by the Christian side of journalism. Orissa incidents are mooted by large scale conversion attempt. None of you have listened to the Hindu vision of the Caste System, Orissa incidents etc. In fact all the big media houses are bought out by Christian missionaries and the brain beihind is the Italian Lady Premier. The British spread the FALSE FABRICATED "Aryan Invasion Theory" and they have done grave insult to the Billion population. Your expectation on Orissa incident is that the Hindus should remain tolerant if someone is distorting your history, your identity and religion. Please read what "Stephen Knapp" wants to say on all the religions that he has practised.
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Stop all Muslim immigration now
written by Kinana , August 17, 2009
Thanks for this excellent review.

The outline of the problem well thought out.

But am I right in assuming though that these fine authors did not propose a solution, however tentative?

This is the tricky part.

The counter jihad movement should coalesce around a few simple demands to save or and at least slow down the oncoming destruction of Western civilisation.

Stop all Muslim immigration now

Because

Migration is only good if the people are needed in this [name country], and for human rights concerns, and if there is a genuine proven track record of certain migrant populations making a genuine positive contribution to the country, in the long haul.

By this last point I mean to say that Islam teaches Muslims:

1. To not fit in;
2. To separate themselves from non-Muslims;
3. To push push push for the implementation of Sharia law in all aspects of life in this country;
4. To use our tolerance to promote intolerance of non-Muslims;
5. That their first loyalty is to the umma, the nation of Islam;
6. That they should only marry Muslims;
7. That it is okay to cheat the system in order to promote and live a Muslim life, like a man having more than one wife;
8. That Muslims who leave Islam should be killed,
9. That Muslim men are superior to Muslim women, etc. etc. etc.

So, the first step is to: Stop all Muslim immigration now

Exactly how this can be done in detail is something that is surely not beyond the capacity of Western governments to achieve.

Unless someone can tell me that the list above, the 9 points, is not accurate?
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written by kmgy , August 17, 2009
Those living in spiritual darkness are afraid of the blinding light of truth. Their natural reaction is hostility and rage. The spirit of hate rules in their heart.
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written by london , August 17, 2009
its sad to see such narrow minded people when barack obama is trying to bring christians and muslims together its the neo cons who try to create hate between religions. muslims come to west to get jobs to have a good life live the american dream. Secularism suits muslims just fine. Muslims can also live under a christian state because QURAN says if u are in a foriegn country where u are the minority then abide by their(christians) rules as long as they don't force u to do something that goes against islam like eating pork. muslims in the west dont know any TAQQYIA. we are just average ppl trying to make a living.Don't be paranoid. Listen to Obama change the world muslims jews Xtians r all gods creation god will be happy if we all live together in peace and harmony we will make america stronger so that it can work as a force of good in this world forget past history its time to change the world . islam hinduism xtiianity has a lot in common we all believe in one God . rather than fighting on our differences lets concentrate on our similarities
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Fair deal to all
written by RK , August 17, 2009
The western world although understands Islam but have choosen materialism and thus Oil and money instead of a moral life. After the 9-11 the country to be attacked should have been soudi barbaria, as there lies the head of serpent but the poisonous regime there was given all protection while they attacked other lesser evils.
Also vatican is using a huge amount of money somewhere in billions to convert buddhists and hindus while leaving Islam in those places. The main reason is the huge propaganda which started after 300 AD when constantine came who due to politican reason created the bible and called all previous great civilization as PAGAN. What a shame history starts from 0 AD and all other religions are pagan and only christianity is true how funny.
Muhammed also used the same logic and created islam and called all previous religion and thoughts as Pagan and jahilya.
Christians have to understand buddhism and hinduism are much older than them and they should not try to convert them using money, marketing and other dubious forms. islam is cunningly using christianity and knows its hatred towards jews, hindus and buddhists etc and both cooperating against others, while they are also attacking each other. But due to natural law, muslims are producing a huge amount of babies and its about time they will finish off christianity from europe.
Some fundamentalist christians think that since jews, hindus, buddhists are heathen and need to be eliminated and let muslims do this dirty job of finishing them, then the christians will apepal to there countries and launch a final crusade and jesus will help them and only one monotonous religion will be there.
The christian missionaries get money from europe devout christians and use it to convert poor buddhists and hindus while making a huge profit for themselves.
The maximum number of interfaith dialogue has been done by christians and muslims. How funny?
Christians should come out of materialist believe and concentrate on islam only, better for them and humanity.
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When will muslims learnt to reciprocate?
written by To London , August 17, 2009
Why muslims talk about secularism when in minority?
Why cant they give same facility for minorities in there place of origin?
In all muslim majority countries the minorities are selectively targeted and harassed, killed etc.
Dhimmi laws are put to non-muslims. Christians are not allowed to wear cross in muslim countries especially saudi arabia. In muslim countries even non-muslims are forced to wear hijab. Why?
When muslims come and ask for special privileges in west, why cant they give equality to non-muslims?
Now its internet age, and whole world can see the double standards and hypocricy of muslims. A american muslim instead of supporting american soldiers think of causing them harm and have sympathy to other muslim terrorists.
When you say we all believe in one God, thus do you also believe Jesus as God or Buddha or Krishna as God?
After coming to western world why dont muslims dont fight bad laws like sharia, blasphemy or other immoral laws in muslims countries. Why cant the western engineers in saudi arabia cant built a church?
I dont want hate, but when muslims are showing so much double standards , why cant we speak up?
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JUDEO-CHRISTIANITY/ISLAM IS A FREAKING DISEASE
written by JUDEO-CHRISTIANITY/ISLAM IS A , August 17, 2009
JUDEO-CHRISTIANITY/ISLAM IS A FREAKING DISEASE and truth is the only cure.

man is evoled by nature and and not created by imaginary jehova/allah.

let us expose truth and ban patriacal hate based judeo-christianity/islam altogether.

if anyone things christianity is abt peace pls visit :


www.evilbible.com


www.nobeliefs.com


www.whydoesgodhateamputees.com




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written by arvind , August 17, 2009
Muslims are like worms in the human system. Once their number rises to the optimum quantity, they start making trouble.
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Stopping Muslim Immigration
written by john , August 17, 2009
Great conversation here, once we're getting past the religious stuff... I can't see how stopping Muslim immigration is achievable by government.

Someone is bound to notice that legislators are forbidden to legislate religion by the US Constitution.... though I believe there are folks here from several continents... Most modern governments are supposed to be blind to a person's beliefs.

Currently, the US government can't even ASK your religion, leave alone act against it. I'm not sure that actually changing the Constitution to give the government that power would sell with conservative Americans.

You could act against certain countries.. but I can't see how the net could be made so small as to catch a significant portion of Muslims.

Besides... word is, Muslims consciously reproduce at high rates, just to make more Muslims. The trojan horse is already within.

I think our best option is education along with safeguarding whatever aspects of our government are secular. When a government is secular, it's hands off from ANY religion.

Religious law is quite common here in Washington state. When the Muslims come, they will have legal precedent.

All you have to do is to have a majority of voters in a certain area, and you can pass aspects of your religion into law.

I think a very bold move would be to ammend the Constitution so that government is required to be secular at all levels.

Government would lose a lot of power as a lot of laws would have to be repealed, so I doubt it would actually happen in the US.... but that would be a very significant stumbling block for Islam.

Of course, if you manage to create a stumbling block for Islam, you just get bombs... so maybe I don't have a solution either.

I think, that before most folks would approve of giving government the power to stop Muslim immigration, the Muslim population would have to be so high that it would be impossible.

... then you still have their prodigious reproduction rate. Islam isn't the fastest growing religion for nothing.

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Future of this Planet
written by Anti Clot , August 17, 2009
Slavery, torture, wife beating and beheading will become part of our lifes once earth has turned into a Planet of Apes. Sometimes I ask myself why the civilised world is wasting so much money in Iraq and Afghanistan without receiving anything in exchange. In Iraq, christians are leaving the country in , while Afghanistan is more islamic than ever before. In both countries muslims are killing each other every day while they are always blaming the west and Israel. Therefore, sometimes I think we should halt all development aid etc and just wait and see and watch the islamic world how it collapses. It will collapse. It will collapse much earlier most people think.
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Your reassurances
written by Kinana , August 17, 2009
London
Good of you to try to calm the waters.
Could you give us some more details? Your reassurances that all will be well need some padding out a bit.
Specifically:
Could you say what parts of the book review or my 9 points that you disagree with?
You say: ‘Secularism suits muslims just fine.’ For how long will muslims be happy with secularism? Will they defend secularism? Will they reject Sharia and protest against it? Will they do this even when they become a majority in the country?
You say: ‘QURAN says if u are in a foriegn country where u are the minority then abide by their(christians) rules as long as they don\'t force u to do something that goes against islam like eating pork.’ Could you give a reference from the Qur'an for this statement?
Can you back up your reassurances and theology by pointing to a time in history when a Muslim majority country granted equality before the law to men and women, to Muslims and Non-Muslims; freedom of speech to all its citizens; and political and social equality to all, etc.?
To answer these few questions would give more credibility to your soothing words.
Thanks
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good questions and observations
written by Kinana , August 17, 2009
John
Good questions and observations.
I can only say that I am hopeful that enough people will wake up in time to solve the problem.
As more people understand the problem the solution will be worked out.
The problem as I see it is:
Islam, per se, is a threat to Western civilization and its values of democracy, freedom of speech, equality before the law, secular government, gender equality, etc. Furthermore, Islam teaches and encourages different values and behaviour that are contrary to these ‘Western’ values.
I think the very first problem we face is paralysis. We must not be frozen by contemplating the enormity of the task.
This quote helps me carry on:
The French historian Ernest Renan said:
“Muslims were the first victims of Islam. Many times I have observed in my travels that fanaticism comes from a small number of dangerous men who maintain others in the practice of this religion by terror. To liberate the Muslim from his religion is the best service that one can render him.”
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to vbv
written by Bonnie , August 17, 2009
India, and her many gods have nothing, nothing to offer themselves or the world. Their belief system has murdered millions, millions of female fetus only. They have been outstanding contributors to eliminate the birth of females! Things got so bad, the government had to ban birth selection. To little or no avail though. As India is running out of women, men are importing Bangledesh women for marriage. It is that bad! India has nothing to teach the world but poverty and cruelty.
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To Bonnie
written by Ram , August 17, 2009
My Friend, I think this forum will not be useful if we throw comments with little skin deep knowledge. Humans are blessed with intellect that has to be utilised to find out deeper truth. I can easily pick up that your hear say knowledge on Hinduism is very little. Please read some pages of Bhagvad Gita, know something about Gayatri Mantra, Understand a bit of Sanathana Dharma and then we can debate with you on Hinduism. Kindly read authentic books as the Christian missionaries have tried to distort everything about Hinduism.
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Go Kinana!
written by Demsci , August 18, 2009
Kinana (young Khaybar chief), I admired the way you formulated your posts a lot, while I also so saw much merit in Johns reaction and London’s soothing words. All this gave me so much food for thought. I agreed with all your nine points. But John rightly pointed out how difficult stopping Islamic Immigration is. Some politicians in America-Canada-Europe-Australia (ACEA-countries) tried it, but only succeeded partially through laws from parliament.

May I present the thought that it is great that the ACEA-countries produce so much prosperity and freedom that Muslims are attracted very much? So even many of them, and especially many of their women, both in ACEA and in Iran and other Islamic countries, seem to judge that the Democratic system works better than the Islamic system? The more babies they have, the more of the Muslims wanting to migrate to our societies, the more compliments the ACEA-countries deserve. I would not like it to have been the other way around.

And: Might we not strive in future for CONTRACTS for immigrants? In them we should demand loyalty or at least neutrality to our Democratic, gender-equal system. And we must reserve the right to deport those who are caught in undermining our system, to replace it with some theocratic, patriarchalistic (male chauvinistic) system.

We then must try to enforce this, and so we could also encourage the existence of pure Islamic states, whereto those Muslims who really want an Islamic society can migrate and can be deported to too. We must, in a league of Democratic Nations, endeavour to make treaties with some pure Islamic countries for this. We also can pressure them to release all their citizens who like our Democratic laws more than their Sharia-laws, which we then would receive.

The problem with this plan is that we risk mass immigration, mass deceipt and eventual uprisings. But these risks can then serve to wake up the slumbering masses of the Western world, who, as danger grows, will react more, in favor of protecting its great democratic, gender-equal system. Furthermore it would force Muslims to finally prove that a better system, provided by God, can be applied and practiced. And it would give them the opportunity to live there. Or else live under Democratic rules and not complain about them.
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to bonnie
written by vbv , August 18, 2009
How shallow can you get? India has nothing to offer! What about Yoga? What about Ayurveda ,the oldest living medical science? What about the number system which actually originated from India,or else you would have not progressed with Roman numerals? What about the various philosophies like Advaita,Samkhya,Mimamsa,etc which has inspired many Western philosophers like Kant, Schopenhauer,Spinoza, or Thoreau ? Mind you they have themselves acknowledged it! Even Budhism and Jainism originated in India 6 centuries before Jesus Christ or even when the Book of Genesis was first written.
You Europeans have abandoned the great 'pagan' culture of the Greeks,Romans,Druids,Celts to adopt some stupid desert barbarian cult lacking intelligence and vision ,except in believing in stupid tales fit for zombies. There is no philosophy of life except believe in the nonsensical amoral and immoral biblical myhths and go to some so-called "heaven" or be shunted to some "hell" for eternity! Hahahahahahahaha! Both Christianity and Islam trace their origins to the Abrahamic cults , and both are jus bigotry spreading intolerance ,hatred and destruction of other civilisations, creating more zombies! No wonder all great scientists and thinkers in the West have rejected Christianity ,like Steven Weinberger,Stephen Hawkins,Einstien, Neils Borg,Richard Dawkins, Richardc Feynman,etc. Even Bertrand Russel ,one of the greatest philosophers of the twentieth century has found no merit in judeo-chritian and islam cults and you must read his book "Why I am not a Christian". You couldn't ask for more about the low regard intelligent pweople have for the desert barbarian cults of Isalam, Christianity and Judaism!
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Hindu ignorance
written by balam to v.b.v , August 18, 2009
v.b.v,if you spit at the moon,it falls back on your face.Who cares about your shallow opinion about Judeo-Christian faith, along with the others you have mentioned.It just displays your ignorance.You are a restless soul because of following your created animal gods and hand carved deities.If you were ever incarnated,you will probably come back as a rattle snake,which has no ears to listen.
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Bonnie - Ram
written by Bonnie , August 18, 2009
I have no quarrel with the religions of India. My quarrel is with the murder of the fetus, female only. Countless millions have been murdered and no religion in India has stopped it. When a country runs out of brides and has to import them, you know as well as I do, hate sits at the door. There is no holocaust that can compare to the female holocaust. It is the biggest, the longest, the most brutal and the most widespread. Allways, swept under the carpet.
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to balam
written by vbv , August 19, 2009
Any day the law of karma is far more rational than your stupid 'doomsday' concept which is just a stupid fairy tale with your 'god' ,an old spooky tyrant, taking the faithful zombies to 'heaven' and consigning the rest to 'hell'. Hahahahahahahaha!
Christian fanatics in the 1990s went crazy with the doomsday expected in the year 2000 ,which never came. Now they are waiting for 2012. What a joke!
There is no 'judgement day' or doomsday , there is no second coming of Christ (he failed to turn up in the year 2000 ,anyway) and there is no judeo-christian-islamic "god" - it is a bullshit invented by the so-called 'prophets' son of 'god' to fool the gullible idiots and live off them with all the power and pelf. Whether it is a pope/ayatollah/mullah - all live like kings with unquestioned power and pelf fooloing the millions of gullible idiots . Hinduism does not have theocracy and papacy or mullahdom. Atleast we are much better off than you idiots!
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Is this the product of \"enlightened, sacred, and
written by kmgy , August 19, 2009
Thousands of people have flocked to Hyderabad in India to swallow a live fish in the belief that it will cure them of asthma. Around 40,000 people from across India are expected to attend the live fish swallowing event which is held annually at the Nampally Exhibition Grounds. Farmers in an eastern Indian state have asked their unmarried daughters to plow parched fields naked in a bid to embarrass the weather gods to bring some badly needed monsoon rain, Hyderabad.
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written by JohanM , August 19, 2009
Christianity is far bigger cancer to humanity then the Islam. Islam spread thru brute force but Christianity thru bigger brute force. Entire Europe and Americas are the proof of it. Like Islam it decimated the previous cultures and degraded them by propagating the lies. It is only when western thinkers managed to aside the Christianity from state affairs western civilisation has become western civilisation. You are right greatest minds of the western hemisphere became greatest only after rejecting this Judeo-Christianity-Islamic cults.
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to kmgy
written by vbv , August 20, 2009
The fish swallowing fraud is done by muslim 'yunani' "doctor", and not by hindus. Regarding your lie about farmers making their unmarried daughters plow the fields to 'emabarass' the weather is your own made-up bullshit ,which is typical of a christian fanatic to spread lies to discredit other cultures. Ofcourse ,you have denigrated the culture and spirituality of your own ancient European civilisation and adopted the zombie cult of the desert barbarians founded by Abraham ,that immoral biblical patriarch. What about Lot ,his nephew, who slept with his own daughters in a drunken state in some cave in the Judeo-palestine area and begot two tribes of amobites and maobites in the book of Genesis. With such immoral mucks and lechery in the Bible it is a poor show taking pot shots at other cultures with lies and innuendos!Ofcourse the Bible is filled with such lechery ,including Jesus's laiason with Mary Magdelane. Even Jesus's birth is questionable since his mother did not know who his father was, hence he became a"son of God" and a product of virgin birth! That is very laughable to say the least.
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To vbv : Open Your Eyes
written by kmgy , August 20, 2009
This news reporting is from www.reuters.com : " PATNA, India (Reuters) - Farmers in an eastern Indian state have asked their unmarried daughters to plow parched fields naked in a bid to embarrass the weather gods to bring some badly needed monsoon rain, officials said on Thursday.

Witnesses said the naked girls in Bihar state plowed the fields and chanted ancient hymns after sunset to invoke the gods. They said elderly village women helped the girls drag the plows. " Search the net Mr vbv and you'll find 18,500 results for this news in item.
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to kmgy
written by vbv , August 20, 2009
Now some loonies in some remote corner may have strange tribal practices,and that has nothing to do with Indian culture as a whole. There are also people who believe in ghosts ,goblins,heaven,hell,blackmagic,voodoo,etc . and none of this finds a place in the scriptures. The fact that we in India do not denigrate any primordial tribal practices unless it transgresses the law of the land shows our tolerance and broadmindedness. The constitution of India guarantees this. That is why there is unity in diversity unlike the monotheistic cults who practice extreme intolerance to all other cultures and impose their beliefs to the exclusion of all others.
So you have to open your eyes and inculcate this tolerance and not go about denigrating everything other than christianity/islam. Ofcourse ,I am very critical of these two cults since they intend to destroy all indegenous cultures to impose their bigotry,and history is witness to their misdeeds and wars .
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To vbv :Open Your Mind
written by kmgy , August 22, 2009
Religious freedom for ALL religious beliefs (Islam, Hinduism, etc., even Satanism) is PRACTICED in ALL Christian-dominated countries.
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to kmgy
written by vbv , August 23, 2009
You are wrong again.Only a few countries in the Western Europe ho are secular allow such diversity, not the American xcontinents,Australia,New Zealand ,or other so-called 'christian countries.

The truth is ,only India practices such tolerance_ In India yoyu have all types of religious denominations,Hindus,Budhists, Jains,Christians, Zoroastrians,Bahais,muslims,all types of tribal worshippers, Atheists,agnocists,etc. all guaranteed under the Indian constitution to free practice theier faiths/beliefs. And this is happening only in India. The zorastrians came to India to escape the persecution by the muslims in their country Iran centuries ago and to this date they are freely practicing their faith and peacefully coexisting with Hindus, They have ALSO BEEN ECONOMICALLY VERY SUCCESSFUL AND PROGRESSIVE. NO HINDU EVER PESECUTED THEM FOR ANY REASON.

Only christians and muslims create [problems in India nwith their exclusivist idealogy, denigrating others as 'pagans'./'heathens' in the most derogatory manner and insulting others belief system and claiming themselves to be superior, aggressively "selling" their "religion" with a promise of "heaven" ,otherwise it is "HELL for you". Also destroying local culture with a desert barbarian cult of intolerance and bigotry.

Look what the muslims are doing in tthe West, spreading fast ,claiming converts. And you find it difficult to accept this. Just imagine in India we are attacked doubly by not only muslims but also christians with money flowing from the rich arabs and the westerners.

So it is dubious on your part to make such claims about all the "christian" countries allowing free practice of divergent religions/cults!
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Here is For Your Consumption
written by kmgy , August 23, 2009
Top Twenty Religions in the United States, 2001
(self-identification, ARIS)

Religion 1990 Est.
Adult Pop. 2001 Est.
ADULT Pop. 2004 Est.
Total Pop. % of U.S. Pop.,
2000 % Change
1990 - 2000
Christianity 151,225,000 159,030,000 224,437,959 76.5% +5%
Nonreligious/Secular 13,116,000 27,539,000 38,865,604 13.2% +110%
Judaism 3,137,000 2,831,000 3,995,371 1.3% -10%
Islam 527,000 1,104,000 1,558,068 0.5% +109%
Buddhism 401,000 1,082,000 1,527,019 0.5% +170%
Agnostic 1,186,000 991,000 1,398,592 0.5% -16%
Atheist 902,000 1,272,986 0.4%
Hinduism 227,000 766,000 1,081,051 0.4% +237%
Unitarian Universalist 502,000 629,000 887,703 0.3% +25%
Wiccan/Pagan/Druid 307,000 433,267 0.1%
Spiritualist 116,000 163,710 0.05%
Native American Religion 47,000 103,000 145,363 0.05% +119%
Baha'i 28,000 84,000 118,549 0.04% +200%
New Age 20,000 68,000 95,968 0.03% +240%
Sikhism 13,000 57,000 80,444 0.03% +338%
Scientology 45,000 55,000 77,621 0.02% +22%
Humanist 29,000 49,000 69,153 0.02% +69%
Deity (Deist) 6,000 49,000 69,153 0.02% +717%
Taoist 23,000 40,000 56,452 0.02% +74%
Eckankar 18,000 26,000 36,694 0.01% +44%
Mr. vbv this will refute your allegation. Hinduism has grown by 237% in USA in 10 years time from 1990-2000. You can come to America the beautiful land and worship your Hindu gods freely.
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Boring,boring,boring!
written by Saladin , September 04, 2009
What a load of hot air.Muslims in the west are counted in their millions,and increasing daily.

What legislation can be passed to alter the,"facts on the ground"

Prehaps we should force all muslims to wear a yellow crescent badge on their chests,then marshall the cattle trucks.
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Stop All Immigration
written by Samuel , September 23, 2009
Heck, why stop just muslim immigration. Are mexicans any better? There is no good immigration period. As long as people migrate from worse to better, they bring the worse in them, and ruin the better. The problem of modern migration is that backward peoples migrate to the modern, and there is a big disconnect between the two. Either the modern become backward, or the backward modern, but the two cannot mix.
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WE ARE THE DESTROYER
written by Fellclaw , October 12, 2009
All whites must unite under one banner!!
50 years ago the world was ours for the taking- in our arrogance we cannot see our looming destruction

*We must harden our hearts if we have any chance to save our racial identity.
*We must reject multi culturalism
*We must expel or destroy those who are not our people
*we must establish countries or pure heritage

or we will cease to exist.
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written by Fellclaw , October 12, 2009
How about how the ancestors of the white race the Arayans established themselves as rulers of the lesser races in india and established the caste system to protect thier racial purity

This is the natural order of things
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written by Fellclaw , October 12, 2009
I wish you were right but unfortunately you are wrong

Tolerance is weakness
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written by Fellclaw , October 12, 2009
It s because indians by thier nature are weak and cannot coerce others because of this
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written by Fellclaw , October 12, 2009
you have a point our ancestors religions were far superior

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Ethnocide Write Letters and Lets Stop this Peacefully and If Not?
written by Stephen Harrison , November 14, 2009
IPCC
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Dear Sir/Madam

I wish to enter a Formal Complaint concerning the inaction of the West Midlands Police Force/Authority and West Mercia Police/Authority to this reported serious crime. A police force must be free from political restraint and impartial when investigating crimes of this nature committed frankly by their paymasters politicians who are in power as the Government of the United Kingdom. If the Police are not able or unwilling to investigate and prosecute serious crimes of this nature then who can exactly protect a citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales. I am genetically English; I have also been displaced by being deprived of my right to my individuality and culture. The Geneva Convention clearly states that displacement by immigration is a crime against humanity. This can be carried out by language, cultural change which is unacceptable to the indigenous person. The selling of a Christian Church would fall under this “crime”, if it were sold to become a place of worship for an alien ethnic culture or religion. Therefore turning Christian churches into Muslim mosques would be an act of ethnocide as its soul intention would be to deprive the indigenous genetic people of their cultural heritage. Further allowing call to prayer would also cause understandable displacement of an indigenous people as it is a direct assault on their right to a cultural identity and to be able to enjoy their right to individuality. Thus any displacement would be Ethnocide.

The crimes I reported to these Police forces were Ethnocide and Gerrymandering, both are serious criminal acts. If the Chief Constables and The Police generally are to dismiss my claims without care, thought or attention then they are guilty of gross negligence. Statistical Factual Evidence and Also Anecdotal and Video Evidence is Available as are Witnesses to the crime of ethnocide, over 80% of The capital cities population is now made up of people other than those of a genetic indigenous race, this is clear evidence of displacement and this displacement is being carried out in many major cities and towns throughout Great Britain, including Birmingham, Wolverhampton, Luton and so the list goes on and on. The fact that politicians who have openly encouraged mass immigration are not investigated for criminal acts suggest that we live within a totalitarian and police state, where law be it international or local are being flouted with the full cooperation of the chief constables

The crimes I am alleging are Ethnocide against the genetic peoples of Great Britain namely the White English, Scottish, Northern Irish and Welsh indigenous peoples of this our homeland.

These examples are not those of a raving lunatic or a racist but of a victim of a criminal act under both the Geneva Convention and The United Nations acts to protect indigenous people from ethnic cleansing.

The fact that No mandate was sort from the people is irrelevant as no mandate can be given for a crime against humanity.

I now wish to move on to my reported crime of gerrymandering again statistical evidence is available to support my allegation that mass immigration is being used to make a significant difference to the voting pattern of an area, by allowing mass immigration the labour government is gaining a substantial sympathetic vote in areas of displacement this is a new form of gerrymandering but is gerrymandering none the less. I understood this to be a crime.

Following is the crime as reported to the Police Forces of The West Midlands and which to date has been ignored.
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I wish to report to you a case of the most serious crime in the world.

The United Nations acts/edicts on Human Rights; concerning the; Rights of Indigenous people,
to individuality, culture, including cultural heritage.

Under The Geneva Convention; Genocide and Ethnocide.

I also wish to complain that countless people in the Police Force/ Government and Other Agencies, SOCA, Human Rights and equalities commission have conspired to Commit Crimes against Humanity and Ethnocide.

Please investigate this FORMAL COMPLAINT FULLY!

This is a case of Ethnocide and it is happening here and now in the United Kingdom.
Gerrymandering; by the movement of population. Example London is now 80% Ethnic Minorities this is clear evidence of both Ethnocide and Gerrymandering.

Labours plan of uncontrolled immigration policy has come to light and this can be proven in the statistics.

Wikipedia lists and briefly explains exactly the Crime of Ethnocide.

Attacks on Culture, Individuality and Displacement. Positive discrimination could also be seen to be negative to the indigenous peoples so would also be against their human rights. Whilst employment generally has gone up employment among indigenous people has fallen by 62,000 such is the way we the White English are discriminated against.

Put simply it is the cleansing or minoritising of an indigenous population by methods other than mass extermination.

It is a fact that by 2070 the immigrant population will be ahead of the indigenous peoples of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. That year will be the year that the planned for ethnocide is complete.

This is a Crime against humanity according to the Geneva Convention it is an equivalent crime to Genocide and is a form of Ethnic Cleansing. Phillip Dunne MP who is my MP is ignorant as he thinks ethnocide involves being murdered, is doesn’t it involves being made to feel emotion that causes displacement so best you all understand what ethnocide is.

I am reporting this crime to every agency in the UK to expose this crime to the indigenous British People. I am also complaining that the Metropolitan Police and West Midlands Police have ignored this reported crime.


This is the basis of my complaint, which will reveal if our political masters have created a police totalitarian state within a democracy or not if indeed crimes against humanity as alleged exists then legal action against the conspirators should be taken. These crimes are criminal and not civil.


Yours faithfully
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look at the latest evil thing that muslims have done in the Philippines.
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