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Muhammad in Medina: A Prophet of Peace Has Come

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An account of the dreadful, bloody activities of the so-called Islam's prophet of peace, after his arrival in Medina...


Introduction

This article tries to give what one might call a “macro” view on Muhammad's peaceful stay in Medina.

In particular I discuss how Muhammad dealt “wisely” with the Jewish tribes of Medina.

After thinking/claiming that he is the prophet of the almighty, Muhammad stayed in Mecca about thirteen years. He was not a happy camper. Most people thought he was a crazy man. He managed to have some followers (around a hundred), mostly low-class folks. He had in mind leaving Mecca all along. He sent a team to Abyssinia (Ethiopia), and he himself tried Ta'if in 619. In both instances, he did not find it suitable for him to migrate to any of those two places. Finally, things worked out for him to go to Yathrib (Medina). Please do not be fooled by Muslims claiming great persecution and plots to kill Muhammad in Mecca. This is not true. The reader is advised to read M. A. Khan's discussion of this matter in his book “Islamic Jihad”.

The first couple of years in Medina were rough on Muhammad and the Muslim community (the Muhajiroon, “immigrants”, as well as the Ansar “the locals of the Medina area”). Some found menial jobs here and there. But, it was rough. Right from the start, Muhammad was looking for loots. He tried to ambush Meccan trade-caravans. His looting attempts did not meet much success at the beginning. However, the Nakhla raid proved to be the first success. Muhammad and his Sahaba Muslims (robbers!!) made a good loot out of that one. For more details on that raid, I refer the reader to my previously published article.

Now, Muhammad in Medina had many members of the Quraysh tribe with him. He had others from other tribes. He had an open invitation to others to join him. Many did join him as their tongues were dripping for greed of loots. They could just taste those loots. So, in a tribal environment, Muhammad established a tribal alternative called Islam. This was a very smart step on Muhammad's side. He established an “open” tribe system so that other individuals from other tribes join. You can call it Muhammad's tribe or Muhammad's cult. This was a good plan for Muhammad. It allowed him to give membership to more “warriors” and “robbers”. The more people he has, the more powerful his “tribe” is. Arabs lived in a tribal system. Power and physical force ruled the day. So, Muhammad's “cult” plan was sure to succeed. There is no shortage of individuals in different tribes to join Muhammad in his quest for loots, and, as an added bonus, Muhammad made it look like a holy cause commanded by the most high; Allah.

Medina's Makeup

There were two Arab tribes in the Medina area; the Aws and the Khazraj. Many of them worked for the more prosperous Jewish tribes in Medina. They worked in agriculture, warehouse and shop watchers. The three Jewish tribes in Medina were more educated and prosperous. Those tribes were Bani Qainuqa, Bani Nadeer, and Bani Qurayza. Those tribes had some power. Muhammad signed a pack of protection with them when he first came to Medina. It was not until he was in Medina for a year and a half that he realized that the Jewish tribes knew he was an imposter. So, he changed the Muslims' prayer direction from Jerusalem to Mecca, and decided that he was powerful enough to take down the Jewish tribes one by one, and enrich the Muslim Umma with their wealth and women. Below I narrate how he did that, one tribe at a time.

Bani Qainuqa

A Muslim woman goes to a Qainuqa tribe goldsmith shop. He flirts with her. She doesn't like that and rejects his advances. He pins her skirt, without her noticing, to the ground. When she gets up, her skirt stays down, and her private area gets exposed. Those who are present get a big laugh out of that incident. A present Muslim gets upset and kills the goldsmith. Jewish men rush to help and kill the Muslim man, who killed the goldsmith. A riot ensues. Muhammad hears the news. He orders besieging the Qainuqa tribe. About two weeks later they surrender to Muhammad on condition that they leave the city leaving all belongings behind except what their animals can carry. All the fortunes that the tribe left behind went to the immigrant Muslims in Medina. It was pretty much no hard-earned loot by any means.

It is clear that such a trivial incident could have been handled wisely by Muhammad. After all one man from each side was killed. Isn't that enough? Off course it is. But Muhammad was facing pressure from the immigrants who left Mecca and joined him. They had a lot of need. What’s better than loot from a rich tribe to satisfy their greedy hearts!

Bani Nadeer

Next in line were Bani Nadeer on Muhammad's mind. The prophet Muhammad goes to Bani Al-Nadeer, along with some leading companions, Abu Bakr, Umar and Ali, and asks them to help him in paying bloodwit money for two men of Bani Amer mistakenly killed by Muslims. It is important here to remember that Bani Al-Nadeer were under no obligation to help Muhammad here. The agreement between the Muslim camp and the Jewish tribes of Medina was to help each other in case there is an external threat to attack Medina (i.e. Quraysh coming to town to attack the Muslims, or the Medinan tribes).

Bani Al-Nadeer tell Muhammad that they will help him with money.

Muhammad leaves the other Sahaba in the meeting and vanishes. He actually went back home.
His Sahaba leave after they realize that Muhammad was not going to come back.

When the Sahaba see the prophet, he tells them that the Jews, Bani Al-Nadeer, were conspiring to kill him. How? By having someone go on the top of the wall that was behind them where they were meeting, and dropping a rock on him (Muhammad) thus killing him.

Muhammad gives orders to prepare for war against Bani Al-Nadeer, and marches against them. He lays siege upon Bani Al-Nadeer, who sought refuge in their forts. He also orders the burning and destruction of their palm trees (Bani Al-Nadeer were mostly farmers who tended the land and raised crops). Orders were carried out to the letter.

Bani Al-Nadeer receive some promises of help from other tribes that never materialized and finally struck an agreement with the prophet (PBUH) to allow them to leave town with all their belongings except their weapons and immoveable properties. This, in fact, came to pass. Some of them went to Khaiber and some went to Syria.

All of their left property and land became Muhammad’s. He distributed it amongst the first immigrants, and a couple of Ansars who were in need. (What a generous thief!!)

The above, pretty much sums up what happened. Please note that Bani Al-Nadeer were in no position to fight Muslims. Muhammad has become the main war lord of Medina by now. Earlier, he had successful attacks against the Meccan commercial caravans. Two years earlier, he had attacked and gotten rid of the Qainuqa tribe from Medina. He had just assassinated Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf, the Bani Al Nadeer leader. He suffered no consequences from all this. This, in my view, indicates that a farming community like Bani Al-Nadeer was in no position to put up a good fight against the Muslims.

So, when Muhammad went to them asking for money to help the Muslims, who killed two men from another tribe, Bani Al-Nadeer were under no obligation to help him financially. But they knew what Muhammad was up to. He was looking for their refusal to pay, so that he can have a reason to attack them in war and take their belongings. However they were smart enough to tell him that they’ll help him. That answer did not sit well with Muhammad, and so he leaves in a hurry and invents the story that they were plotting to kill him with a big rock dropped from the top of a wall behind where they were sitting. What a ridiculous story. Even a naïve person can read between the lines and see that they, Bani Al-Nadeer, if wanted, could have killed all the Muslims leaders who waited long after Muhammad left in a hurry. After all, Muhammad and his Sahaba in the meeting were probably no more than five or six men, sitting in the heart of Bani Al-Nadeer tribe. Bani Al-Nadeer could have killed them all right then during that meeting. This did not take place, and we are supposed to believe that ridiculous story about the Jews trying to kill his holiness, Prophet Muhammad the First, with a big rock!  Only a man with no reflective thinking ability can believe such a story. The fact of the matter is: Muhammad wanted to attack them, one way or another. He hoped they will say no to his money request. When this did not work out, he invented the “rock from the top of the wall” story. And, amazingly enough, Muslim apologetics buy into such a story. Religious fervor blocks their brain cells, and no analytical thinking is done. They just believe a ridiculous story and move on.

Bani Qurayza

The divine command comes to Muhammad while taking a bath:

Bukhari: Volume 4, Book 52, Number 68:
Narrated 'Aisha: When Allah's Apostle returned on the day (of the battle) of Al-Khandaq (i.e. Trench), he put down his arms and took a bath. Then Gabriel whose head was covered with dust, came to him saying, "You have put down your arms! By Allah, I have not put down my arms yet." Allah's Apostle said, "Where (to go now)?" Gabriel said, "This way," pointing towards the tribe of Bani Quraiza. So Allah's Apostle went out towards them.

With around 3,000 Muslim worriers, and the Meccans out of sight (following the “Trench” events), no wonder Allah tells him to go unprovoked and take over the fortunes of Bani Qurayza. Who is there to stop him? Muhammad laid siege to Bani Qurayza for twenty five days, after which they surrendered unconditionally. They did not offer any resistance. Before they surrendered, they asked Abu Lubabah, who was doing the negotiations between them and Muhammad, since he was on friendly terms with them from previous dealings, if they should submit to Muhammad’s judgement. Abu Lubabah said yes, and gestured with his hand to his throat, telling them that Muhammad is adamant on finishing them up. Such a gesture could only mean one thing: beheading. Afterwards, Abu Lubabah felt bad that he had betrayed Muhammad, but again, he had some passion to his old Jewish friends. In history, the gesture is not disputed. What is in disputed is why Abu Lubabah felt that he betrayed Muhammad. I think the answer is simple: Abu Lubabah knew what the murderer prophet was up to.

In any case, Bani Qurayza probably felt they had no option but to surrender. Muhammad’s criminals were three thousand strong. The mighty Meccans could not take care of him and his cronies, would one tribe in Medina be able to do it on its own? Surely not! So, instead of dying fighting Muhammad, they chose to surrender in the hopes the Muhammad will take their belongings, but allow them to leave town, as he did with the previous tribes. However, this was not to be. Muhammad had become blood thirsty more and more as time passed by.

After the surrender of Bani Quaryza, Muhammad is pretty much forced to have someone other than himself to declare the judgment against Bani Qurayza. From the different books and hadiths I’ve seen, it seemed that Muhammad was adamant on killing them. He was forced, the Arab way, by Muslim leaders who had good Past with Bani Qurayza, to put someone else to declare a judgement against them. Muhammad finally agrees to name one person, Sa’d Bin Mu’ad. Muhammad does not allow the people who wanted someone else to name who the judge will be. He (Muhammad) names Sa’d and ends the discussion. One has to know, who Sa’d is, to understand why Muhammad named him. Sa’d was a born killer with very strong loyalty to Muhammad. He was mortally wounded in the battle of the trench. He was no friend to Bani Qurayza, or anyone who rejected the prophet. He would kill you or me in an instant if Muhammad just says the word. Such was Sa’d Bin Mu’ad. My suspicion is that he also knew what Muhammad desired to do with Bani Qurayza or Muhammad had instructed him on the verdict. He was very close to Muhammad. In fact history tells us that the prophet put up a tent in the mosque for Sa’d so he could personally take care of him and his (Sa’d’s) wound. As one would expect, Sa’d’s judgment was what Muhammad wanted. Here is a Hadith showing how Allah and Muhammad are working together like two sides of the same coin. Apparently, Allah loves bloody scenes of around seven hundred people being beheaded:

Bukhari: Volume 4, Book 52, Number 280:
Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri:
When the tribe of Bani Quraiza was ready to accept Sad's judgment, Allah's Apostle sent for Sad who was near to him. Sad came, riding a donkey and when he came near, Allah's Apostle said (to the Ansar), "Stand up for your leader." Then Sad came and sat beside Allah's Apostle who said to him. "These people are ready to accept your judgment." Sad said, "I give the judgment that their warriors should be killed and their children and women should be taken as prisoners." The Prophet then remarked, "O Sad! You have judged amongst them with (or similar to) the judgment of the King Allah."

Sure enough, Muhammad beheads all adult men. He took part in the beheading festivities. And, toward the evening, the Muslim Ummah men rape the poor women who had just lost all their husbands and adult male family members. Muhammad took an active role in the raping festivities. However, he had a good eye. He chose a young pretty one to rape; Rayhana. She was only fifteen years old.

What a great peaceful prophet for the Muslim Ummah to imitate!!

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written by Ali , April 24, 2010
Muslims have been effected by a very strong and deadly virus called God Virus (or Allah virus) which makes them immune to logic and critical thinking. All those murderous raids and other atrocities committed by their prophet make no difference. Muhammad is the best of human that ever lived. However I have hope that at least some muslims will change and leave their religion after reading books and articles written by people like Ibn Kummuna and Ali Sina and others. Keep up the good work!
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Objective reading by Muslims?
written by Healer_999 , April 24, 2010
All these were mentioned in pious biographies by Muslims. Even then one has to do a objective analysis in the mind to make a decent judgement. I will give an example. It might be a fact that Jews of Bani Nadir were talking to Meccans, enemies of Mohammad. Even then with out any provocation he uses the violence on them merely for their wealth. Apart from this we have ahadiths telling Jews used to show and read from Torah written in Hebrew to the people living in Medina as a proof to say it does not mention any thing like Mohammad claimed. It became a necessity for him to act on the Jews. Initially he might have felt that few Koranic verses forbidding friend ship between Jews and Muslims will do the trick. But finding to no avail he just waged war.

Other thing was Bani Nadir were with in their right to talk to Meccans after what Mohammad did to Jews of Qainuqa. In fact we need to remember what he tried to do initially.
Beheading was his original plan. Jews of Bani Nadir and Qurayza must be knowing this so they were with in their rights.

Other thing is so called constitution of Mecca was a bogus one, if it was't Muslims could have produced the original one in full (they published it in half). But they knew the truth so they are doing what they could just like removing some ahadiths from translated ones.

So to understand what happened to Jews of Medina it will be very good to start from the first incident, so called eve teasing, which was not mentioned by Ibn Ishaq but added (probably invented by) by Ibn Hisham to justify what happened.

Like the author said, to critical mind it becomes obvious that Mohammad claim of Jews plotting to kill him was just hollow.

But do not expect it from Muslims because Kafirs are equally closed. When you tell Kafirs to read a book giving authentic history, like the one by MA Khan, Kafirs are at high pain. May be due to aversion or qualms or shame. But it is no excuse. This kind of denial mode will only make the past a future once more.
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written by hamzaalii , April 24, 2010
study more on this topic before opening your yell.the jews there were given some choicessmilies/shocked.gifne to become a muslim,second to live on the land and pay it's tax to muslims.but they wanted to follow there own ancient codes ,where all the men should be murdered and women & children are kept as captive,nothing less.The war broke out because jews break peace treaty and helped the enemies of muslims in an other war with both money and men power.
think if we break a treaty then what will happen?if we would help your enemies then what will happen?if we join ourselves with taliban against you then what will happen? wouldn't you fight against us for ur future defense or not?
i know the answer is yes in everycase.then why when we fought or same reasons became unpeacful
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It's the joo's fault, huh hamzaalii
written by duh_swami , April 24, 2010
Gee it was really swell of Mohammad to make those offers of convert, submit to dhimmitude or die...I wonder why the Jews of the area resisted such a wonderful offer? Well, not to worry, there are no Jews in Arabia now. The ones that didn't convert, didn't submit to Islamic dominance, and didn't die, eventually moved out...When they did, they took all the sanity with them...It's been over a thousand years and sanity is yet to return to Islam...
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Hamza Ali..U R genius
written by Ibn kammun , April 24, 2010
Brother Hamza, You are a genius
Do you know how Muslims decided to behead Bani Qurayza men, how that was done. They looked at pubic hair. If started to grow, kids were killed. If not, they were kept alive. What a just way of doing things! What is more Evil and more Grusome is that let's say some Qurayza men did in fact betray Muhammad ( I do not believe that, but let us assume its truth), why behead everyone? Is this an action of a sane Muhammad let alone a Just prophet?
Mr. Hamza, Muhammad was an evil man. Plus, why does he want to force people to become Muslims or pay protection money (known in our age as Jizya?)?
Think about things in an objective way Mr. Hamza. Do not just try to clear Muhamma'd and Islam's name without some reflective thinking, thats if you are able to do such a thing.
Cheers
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It's not just Muhammad
written by Kabir , April 25, 2010
Muslims in general lack in reflective thinking and avoid digging into their conscience. From these ridiculous claims of Hamza Ali, I suddenly recalled a passage by a Muslim writer on Indian history I read long ago. The writer was describing the invasion by one of the Muslim in India - Amir Timur, who conducted genocide of Hindus in Delhi . The writer says - Amir Timir was a great warrior and equally just. When he "conquered" India he and his army was so brave that they had no problem in making in roads into Delhi [a distance of over 1200 miles from India boundary]. He says, with the same ease Amir Timur managed to conquer Delhi. Author did not bother to state how did Amir manage to conquer Delhi and how many souls did he and his army killed. The author says - In Delhi, Amir offered "general amnesty" [???] to the population. But the population revolted.....
Here is the sexiest bit - This Muslim author claims that after the revolt Amir ordered the mass killing. Amir did not conduct pogrom but only when the Hindus in Delhi threatened him he decided to kill them. He was not a violent man but a just soldier who was forced to kill because Hindus attacked his army. Muslims believes (they actually do) that what Hindus did during the onslaught of Islamic invaders was actually an offensive on Islam. Talk to any Muslim from India or Pakistan and that is what they think. So it is not only Hamza Ali.

All Muslims see the world as Muhammad saw it. They break into your house, you try to defend your house, they see this as threat and hostility and bingo ---- you deserve death for upsetting them and their religion. This is true Islam!
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This is what I wrote.
written by Healer_999 , April 25, 2010
I doubt whether that guy has read the above article completely. He has no stomach to do it. At least if he has any decency he could have produced some evidence in his support. That is what Muslim websites write all the time, Jew broke the treaty.

Actually every one (including Pagans) was breaking the treaty and plotting against Muslims so Mohammad was only defending in all the 90 wars.

I actually named this phenomenon classical Islamic defense.
Mohammad was all the time defending, so he rides caravans, attacks the tribes in night, tells his enemies to convert to Islam and gives three days time, in case they do not, fight and kill them. Where did he fight most of the wars? On the enemies turf. Now this tells the defensive nature really.
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Get Some ATTENTION from the JEWSH Viewers Mr SINA then SAY a LAY that satisfies them.. GO To HELL
written by Faarook , April 25, 2010
Mohamed (SAW) The LAst Prophet to HUman. He was a Mercy to Mankind

Sina wants to get the attention of the JEWSH and claims this fabricated issue.

See here what others Said about Mohamed (SAW) the Perfect Prophet, the Messenger of ALLAH and the last sealed prophet for Human Being.

READ this Below TEXTs even the writers were not Muslims but Just non-beleivers who have seen the Prophet through unbaised eyes not LIKE Sian:::: REad it Carefully The perfect man to Human.

Dr Samuel marinus Zwemer
American Missionary
Mohamed was an able reformer, eloquent and well spoken, courageous and daring, a great thinker we cannot attribute to him anything that contradicts these qualities This Quran that He brought and his history bear witness to the truth of these claims:

Johhan Wolfgang Goeth
A German writer and poet
We Europeans with all our concepts and ideas have not yet attained that which Mohamed attained and no one will ever surpass him. I searched in history for the loftiest example for man to follow and I found it in the prophet Mohamed, thus the truth must prevail and become supreme because Mohamed succeeded in subjugating the whole world by means of the message of Divine oneness.

George Bernard Shaw
Irish playwright
If a man like Mohammed were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness

Others Western Sayers:
=The world is in the utmost need of a man with the mentality of Mohamed
=Medieval ecclesiastics either through ignorance of bigotry painter Mohamedism in the darkness color. They were in fact: trained to hate both the man Mohamed and his to them was anti-Christ. But I have studied his life and found him to be extraordinary. I have reached the conclusion that he was never an enemy to Christianity. He must be called the saviour of humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it much needed peace and happiness.
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MEDINA MASSACRES - RESULT OF KINDNESS TOWARDS MUHAMMED AND MUSLIMS
written by kuffar , April 25, 2010
great article by Ibn Kammuna - simple and to the point.


In retrospect werent the Meccans absolutely right to resist Muhammed ? Probably they were well aware of this treacherous streak in Muhammed so they never listened to him.However the people of Medina had no idea of Muhammed - it was their kindness that they allowed muhammed and his followers to stay.Probably they thought that ISLAM is just like any other RELIGION ...probably they had no idea why meccans didnt want muhammed amongst them.Alas Muhammed butchered them for their naiveity.A BIG LESSON for all who think ISLAM is like any other religion.
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Faarook...grasping at straws...
written by duh_swami , April 25, 2010
So Faarook, you accept the ramblings of confused kufr dhimmi's as reality?
What these kufr didn't know about Mohammad would fill many books...Since none of them knew Mohammad personally, where are they getting all these lies?
According to the available history, Mohammad was not a nice man, and anyone who thinks he was is a deluded fool...
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Savior of Humanity?
written by Healer_999 , April 25, 2010
I have seen many names given to Mohammad, some vulgar and some beautiful, but Mohammad as savior of Humanity is the worst fit at any time. Muslims term a man who divided the man kind in to groups as savior!

Now we have seen this kind 'who said what on Mohammad' previously here, many times I guess. Does it prove any thing?
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Slander.
written by Reed Wilson , April 25, 2010
To Ibn Kammuna. You have quoted hadith "Sad said, "I give the judgment that their warriors should be killed and their children and women should be taken as prisoners." The Prophet then remarked, "O Sad! You have judged amongst them with (or similar to) the judgment of the King Allah." This is not judgment of Allah and this is contrary to Quran. This is fabricated slanderous hadith. Don't believe it.
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TO REED
written by kuffar , April 25, 2010
Reed ......you need love .........you are lonely ..and a sad person ....you know what i mean .........REED ........what makes you think .....muhammed is the answer ??? leave muhammed .......you have no IDEA of your own life .............you ...are thinking like a LAZY soul ........you dont know what you are talking about ?? believe me .......its not about muhammed ......muhammed is DEAD .........its about you ...and you are so lost my friend ..............so lost ......please take some help...
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Taurusxxxx
written by Machmoed , April 26, 2010
Mohammad only becomes evil when seeing with modern eyes. In those times some practices were accepted. Even so called Christians did mary children and some of them were relatives. This is not what it’s about. It’s about divinity. Ofcourse humans are capable of doing the most evil things, but don’t tell me God/Allah is watching and did do nothing to stop it. This should be enough to know religion in general is not from God. And if this kind of God planned all this…then I don’t know why he is called the allwise or the allpowerfull. SNAP OUT OF IT! It’s all Taurusshit!!!
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written by duh_swami , April 26, 2010
'If Allah created all this suffering, he can't be good...and if he is powerless to stop it, he can't be God'...

But Allah 'is' capable of stopping suffering, he just refuses...Allah likes suffering...he likes it a lot...He created suffering just for his creations...all of them...Why would anyone worship their torturer? That's insanity...
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written by Reed Wilson , April 26, 2010
To kuffar.
Yes I do need love. I am greedy of love. I am not lonely. My Hoor is with me for 47 years.

My society says I am rather jovial optimistic person. Yes Mohammad is dead. I have no problem in believing that. He was messenger. The message received through him is present.

Thank you for sympathetic post. How can I be said when I have friends like you in this world?
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supersedes.
written by Reed Wilson , April 26, 2010
To kuffar. My above post supersedes my previous which was retained by the editor for review.
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Quran
written by Reed Wilson , April 26, 2010
To duh_swami. Your claim 'If Allah created all this suffering, he can't be good...and if he is powerless to stop it, he can't be God'...

He created all suffering. There is idea behind creating sufferings. He will not stop. There is logic for it.

Your curiosities are befittingly answered in Quran. You must read. It is addressed to you. It is for you.
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Reed...
written by duh_swami , April 26, 2010
Reed...He created all suffering. There is idea behind creating sufferings. He will not stop. There is logic for it.

Yeah...well he can keep all his logic, I don't want any of his imposed suffering...You can have my share...
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Jihad.
written by Reed Wilson , April 27, 2010
To duh swami."Yeah...well he can keep all his logic, I don't want any of his imposed suffering...You can have my share". No. I will not compromise with this position. You will have your share. I am asked to share with you. This is Jihad. It has bearing on my salvation and your salvation. Good luck.
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Reed...Allah is your god, so suffer...
written by duh_swami , April 27, 2010
Well, if it means your salvation, I sure hope Allah tortures you a lot, it's for your own good...Allah knows best...
Don't save me a place in the line...I'm not going to show up...
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humans are less than animals?
written by Machmoed , April 28, 2010
I think it's an other lie about God/Allah. Why can't we accept that suffering is just an unconditional experience like everything is unconditional. I mean..even animals suffer...for what purpose? I strongly believe humans are the worst of creatures (not all ofcourse). They always think it's about them...well it's not. We are just a tiny fragment of the whole. Remember when the church said that earth and it's creation with humans on it, must be the center of the universe and creation. We all know it is the biggest nonsense. Could it be that we are threatened by the now (present time) that we search for answers in the past and future? Could it be that we are afraid of ourselfes that we create imaginations/hallucinations to control this fear?
Anyhow: Things are just things and it is us who want more of things...like Gpod/Allah, like the assumed messengers...it is us who always think there is a hidden messege and we twist and curve to keep the story a bit intact. Why? Is it fear?
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Noah.
written by Reed Wilson , April 29, 2010
To duh_swami.

'Don't save me a place in the line...I'm not going to show up' Well I am not disappointed. Remember Noah cried for his son!!
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to duh_swami
written by rm.akhtar , May 10, 2010
Swami ji... i am little confused about your insertion, will you kindly define what suffering is in your mind? I am also looking for a God other than god who can stop these "suffering".if you know please advise?
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2 Akhtar
written by Machmoed , May 10, 2010
Whenever the time wich is given to you on earth is not enyojable/pleasant for you, it is suffering. Some suffer more or less. There is no enjoying when there is no suffering in this world. It is a world/life of duality as we experience it. Ghalil Gibran once wrote: Things that once made me very happy, are the things wich make me very sad now. What i knew yesterday being good, today i know it is not. So the perception of good and bad is never eternal...like the scriptures. many written views about God/Allah etc. was accepted and even believed as we know. They also believed and muslims still believe it was for eternity. Now we know that some of the views are wrong or not devine. Christianity does not claim anymore that the bible is litteraly the word of God. They did in the past and now we are waiting for muslims to do the same. There will be a time when muslims will say: it is the inspired word of Allah and it is not to be taken litteraly like in the beginning time of islam.
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to Machomed
written by IK , May 10, 2010
Just a minor correction brother: Christianity never claimed the bible to be the literal word of God.
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2 IK
written by Machmoed , May 11, 2010
You might be right sir. Christianity might not have claim it, but actually i mean christians themselfes. Even today there is 1/3 of americans who believe the bible is the litteral word of God. Only 20% thinks/beklieves that the bible is totally manmade. The reason that i believe that christians belived that in the beginning is because the thora is supposed to be the litteral word og God given to moses and ofcourse christianity is based on judaism.

PRINCETON, NJ -- About one-third of the American adult population believes the Bible is the actual word of God and is to be taken literally word for word. This percentage is slightly lower than several decades ago. The majority of those Americans who don't believe that the Bible is literally true believe that it is the inspired word of God but that not everything it in should be taken literally. About one in five Americans believe the Bible is an ancient book of "fables, legends, history, and moral precepts recorded by man."
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written by Reed Wilson , May 15, 2010
This world is not enjoyment Machmoed.
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Reed
written by Machmoed , May 18, 2010
Reed, No it's not. It is what it is. No enjoyment without pain. This world is to experience life. No life without death, therefor it is stupid to say God is alive. God is what he is, nothing more, nothing less...so is this live on earth. Noone knows more than life has brought him, so life is actually God. Without life there would be no species who could wonder about God/life/creation etc. God can only manifestate himself in life/nature. Religion is not about God, hereafter etc. It's about life between humans and the relation with surroundings. Religion is about you and your life, not about the messengers, institutes or even God. We see that the arabs have turned this up side down, they believe it is about Allah and or the messengers or scriptures (qur'an for example). I'm glad i'm free of dogma's. I'm glad i know my God. I'm looking forward to meet him. In paradise we should be complete without the need of anything. So hour'is etc. are only in the islamic/arabic jannat.

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