Muslims commonly makes claim about the Quran, which do not exist in reality. Islamists claim that the Quran is inimitable and has unique linguistic features.
It is important to note that the Quran itself doesn’t claim to be a unique example of Arabic literature.
Generally, it is believed that the Quran is the example of all linguistic structures of Arabic. If you carefully read the passages of the Quran, you will find inconsistencies, and will note that it is not in compliance with Arabic grammar.
For example, in Sura 2:177, “wa assabireena" should be “assabiruna”. In Sura 5:69, “sabiuna” should be “sabiina”. Similar errors occur in Sura 7:160, 20:63, 3:39, 4:162, 7:16, 21:3, 22:19, 49:9 and 63:10. The Quran also has incomplete sentences and phrases that have been omitted. This obscures the meaning. Ali Dashti, an Iranian-born Muslim scholar, writes that the Quran contains sentences that are incomplete and not fully intelligible without the aid of the commentaries.
The Quran also contain foreign words, unfamiliar Arabic words, and words used with other than the normal meaning, adjectives and verbs inflected without observance of the concords of gender and number. Imam Suyuti in his Itqan discusses this matter.
If the text of the Quran were so unique, obviously there would have been no need for witnesses, and the text would have been self-authenticating. In fact, we learn that there was quite a big disagreement between the companions of Muhammad about several parts of the Quran.
Ibn Masood, a prominent companion of the prophet, did not accept the first and the last two Suras as being the part of the Quran. So, if the Quran had been unique in terms of its inimitability, Ibn Masood would not have had such reservations. On the other hand, Ubay b. Kab included two extra Suras namly, Al-Hafd and Al-Khal. A version of these Suras, though not part of the present Quran, is still recited in the late evening prayer, ISHA.
If the Quran is unique, then why do some sects of Islam have doubts about part of the Quran? Islamists often rant about the uniqueness and inimitability of the Quran. But the Quran is the only book on the face of the Earth that you cannot understand without the help of the Tafsir (Commentary). The Tafsir is the opinion of the Muffasir (The Commentator). A Muffasir cannot claim that only his Taffsir is authentic.
Often Muslims claims that the best of Arab poets, rhetoricians, linguists of the time failed in reproducing an equivalent of the Quran. These are deliberate attempts to undermine the famous Arab poets. There were so many Arab poets, who rejected the Quran on the basis of linguistic features. One of them was Abdulah-bin-Zubery. He was one of the best poets during Muhammad’s times.
This man was qualified critic of the Quran that the ordinary Arabs were thinking that he had made Muhammad speechless. His poetry was more realistic in Arabic grammar. People clapped their hands on his poetry. We find reference of this in the Quran and the full detail in the commentary. For example, Sura 43:57-58 states that when the son of Mary is quoted as an example, “Behold! the folk laugh out, and say, are our Gods better, or is he? They raise not the objection save for argument. Nay! But they are contentious folk”.
In the history of Ibn Hasham, the reason for the revelation of the above verse has given as below:
The Sura, The Prophets, Verse 98, states: “Lo! Ye (Idolaters) and that which ye worship beside Allah are fuel of hell. There unto ye will come”.
When Muhammad recited this verse in the presence of idolaters, among them Walied ibn Mugharah was present there.
When Zubary came to this Majjles – gathering, Mugharah mentioned to him that Muhammad had said such thing about our Idols. Zubary said, “I swear to Allah, if he had said such thing in front of me, I would have shut his mouth. But you go and ask Muhammad: Is it true that every thing which has been worshiped apart from Allah will be the fuel of hell?” We worship the Angel’s and Jews worship Ezra (Repentance, Verse 30) (probably Isaiah) and Christians worship Jesus the son of Mary.
All the people that were sitting in the meeting were very pleased and clapped their hands on his answer and said (subhan Allah) praise Allah, Zubry has defeated Muhammad in his logic. When people took this message to Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, he was completely stunned and puzzled and starts waiting for the new revelation but the revelation did not come until he died.
So, Muhammad and his Allah didn’t and couldn’t provide answers to Zubry. And in frustration and anger, Muhammad aka Allah revealed the above mentioned verse, 43:57-58. I’m sure the Mullahs of this age could give answer to this question!
From the above incident, we can imagine that the Arab poets were very intelligent and they were able to reproduce a lot better linguistic literature then the Quran and they did. As Muhammad gained the political and military power in the Arab world, Muslims started destroying those pre-Islamic literature.
The blind faith and love of Quran forced Muslims not to leave behind the pre-Islamic literature. The fear was prevailing over their minds that if the pre-Islamic literature survived and people would compare this with the Quran, the truth would come out. It would have disgraced the Quran. The Quran was inferior to pre-Islamic literature. Pieces of materials that escaped from the hands of Muslims were not the only treasures of pre-Islamic literature.
Muslims often deny that they did not destroy pre-Islamic Arab literature. What Muslims can tell us about the Christian scholar Warqa Ibn Nufal’s book, 1. Al Katab Al Arby), 2. Hakmit-e-Luqman- The Scripture, 3. The Scripture of Nazar Ibn Harat, 4. Book of Musalma, and 5. The Book of Mutnbey – the King of Arab poets, which was containing 114 (Abrah) Sura and many other poets.
We know from the distorted history of Islam that people mostly ignored Muhammad’s Quran, but as soon the verse of sword was revealed, everything changed.
Those Arab poets were highly qualified in Arabic language and were intelligent, but they were Kafirs. This is understandable why Muslims have destroyed the literature of those Arabs. Even Muslims did not forgive and spare the Mushaafs (Manuscripts) of the Quran, which were different copies of the Quran and they belong to many Suhabas, the companions of Muhammad. Muslims had burned them all.
For example, Ibn Masood, Ibn Kaab, and some Kafir intellectuals Masalama Hanfi, Aswad-e-Aansi. Muslims believe that the Quran is inimitable and incomparable in eloquence, but they cannot see the absurdities and rudeness in Suras like this.
Verses such as 2:166-167 are meaningless garbage, but Muslims find great wisdom in them. The love for the Quran has made them brainless zombies! The Quran, instead of being an inimitable outstanding piece of Arabic literature, is mine of garbage and a curse upon mankind. It is an abomination that will destroy every decent secular achievements of human civilization. And in this drive of destruction, the gullible politically-correct politicians and intellectuals, particularly those on the Left-Marxist axis will aid its blind followers.
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written by duh_swami , February 08, 2012
The Quran is not only a lousy piece of literature, it is the spawn of evil...It is said that the original resides with Allah, so no one actually knows what really is written, if anything...What passes for Islamic literature is actually the work of Uthman...who edited the whole book and had existing Qurans burned...The entire book is based on the mumbles, and delusional material of a perverted, psychotic, sun stroked desert dweller, who claimed regular visits from demons and angels...In modern times, would you buy a used car from a man with these credentials?
written by Gnostic , February 08, 2012
Injil is derived from evangelion, dirham from drachma, Messias and many other foreign words appear in the quran without explanation or translation. This is odd for a book which was written in "clear arabic". Moreover, most of its contents derive from other writings such as the bible, talmud, apokrypha and gnostic writings. How can a book be inimitable if its already imitating others? Everywhere the author of the quran tried to imitate what he believed is god-like. However, it is much more like bragging, boring with its repeatings and so much nonsense. And Allah knows best.
written by Gnostic , February 08, 2012
It would not only revealing but also useful for better understanding to show in the quran all the quotes and the respective places in bible, talmud, apokryha and so on. But islamic scholars are refusing to do so because they claim that it was written by god. But it was not! It is a cup & paste product.
written by fineliving56 , February 08, 2012
Is, the ultimate nail of the coffin of Quran/Islam/Allah/Muhammad …. will, Not, Muhammad … Muhammad's coffin is already was nailed down, with Muhammad's dead body in the coffin and the coffin was under his bed, in his tent, in the sand of his dry desert .
Another reason,the word Assabirean [endurer] [plural noun] should have been assabiroon, because all the plural noun that proceed that word were written in accords with grammar ….
like ….Wa al mawfoon [ payers of debts ] it was not mawfeen ….
and al mutaqoon … not al mutaqeen … I guess even Allah make languish mistakes … I should not feel that bad with my English )
Another problem with Aya 177 in Surah 2 …the nouns kept swishing from singular to plural .. many times for no good reason.
It started talking to MuslimS, that '' the rightful conduct is not to turn your headS from east to west ….etc … but to believe [signaler][ Aamana ] not Aaminoo ] [plural ]like it should be …. Is Allah taking to all Muslim or one Muslim … Allah cannot make up ITS mind … or just plain forgetful.
And again with …[AAta] singular bring ….should be [Aatoo ] plural
When I was in school, my teacher used to give me bad grade if I did the same thing … what that says about Allah and ITS master piece Quran .
I always say …Allah was an F grad student in the schools of Allahs …I guess Arabs were the unlucky bunch …
in Allah ….etc…. with plural [ toolow ] turn … then
Another reason,the word Assabirean [endurer] [plural noun] should have been assabiroon, because all the plural noun that proceed that word were written in accords with grammar ….
like ….Wa al mawfoon [ payers of debts ] it was not mawfeen ….
and al mutaqoon … not al mutaqeen … I guess even Allah make languish mistakes … I should not feel that bad with my English )
Another problem with Aya 177 in Surah 2 …the nouns kept swishing from singular to plural .. many times for no good reason.
It started talking to MuslimS, that '' the rightful conduct is not to turn your headS from east to west ….etc … but to believe [signaler][ Aamana ] not Aaminoo ] [plural ]like it should be …. Is Allah taking to all Muslim or one Muslim … Allah cannot make up ITS mind … or just plain forgetful.
And again with …[AAta] singular bring ….should be [Aatoo ] plural
When I was in school, my teacher used to give me bad grade if I did the same thing … what that says about Allah and ITS master piece Quran .
I always say …Allah was an F grad student in the schools of Allahs …I guess Arabs were the unlucky bunch …
in Allah ….etc…. with plural [ toolow ] turn … then
written by fineliving56 , February 08, 2012
I guess the last line is not supposed to be there …not included …sorry
written by Walter Sieruk , February 08, 2012
Muhammad taught that "stars were created by Allah to throw at devils." This was supposed to be from the man who had a direct pipline in informarion of truth with the Divine.[1] Furthermore, out of many scholars who han studed to Quran and have fond it to be lacking. One example may suffice. He was the Garman author Salomon Reinach, who wrote "It is humiliating to the human intellect to think that this mediocre literature has ben the subject fo innumerable commentaries and that millions of men are still wasting their time in absorbing it." [2]
[1] THE ISLAMIC INVASION by Robert Morey p. 205
[2] ANATOMY OF THE QURAN by G.J.O. Moshay p.150,151.
[1] THE ISLAMIC INVASION by Robert Morey p. 205
[2] ANATOMY OF THE QURAN by G.J.O. Moshay p.150,151.
written by Walter Sieruk , February 08, 2012
It's very much repeating that the early Christian Church had the Gospel of Christ. Also the true Christian Church still has this same Gospel now. First Corinthians 15: 1-8. In contrast what Muhammad gave the world was the Quran which is in reality, another gospel. Muhammad at times even claimed to get this information through an angel that eventually went into the composition of the Quran [another gospel].
Such a thing was forseen and warned about in the Bible. For in Galatians 1:8,9. it reads "through we or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you let him be accursed. As we said before, so I say now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than ye have recived .let hin be accursed." [KJV]
Such a thing was forseen and warned about in the Bible. For in Galatians 1:8,9. it reads "through we or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you let him be accursed. As we said before, so I say now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than ye have recived .let hin be accursed." [KJV]
written by fineliving56 , February 08, 2012
I like to add to the list of pre Islamic very talented Poets, … like …*Antar bin shaded* he lived poor, fatherless with a mother from Hbasha ...he was famous with his poetry for his great love *Abblah* and his fearlessness in war … they never were able to marry and their love never reached a happy ending which made the poetry a tear jerker master pieces … He was my favorite when I was a student … I think his poetry put Quran words to shame .
Others ..like ...Al nabiga al zobyani ..he was an Christian poets considered a genius … abu Hajar al kenady …abu ala al ma'ray … Imru'o al qayes
Others ..like ...Al nabiga al zobyani ..he was an Christian poets considered a genius … abu Hajar al kenady …abu ala al ma'ray … Imru'o al qayes
written by vbv , February 10, 2012
The quran looks like bits and pieces with liberal robbing from the Bible ,distorted to suit its agenda of conquest and spreading fear and unrest. There is no coherence or order or chronology inthe arrangement of its chapters or surahs. And this supposed to be "dictated" by this socalled "god". And there is supposed to be another super quran in the abode of Allah ! I wonder what it may be like ? All bullshits , just like there is no Allah or his abode or heaven or hell. This is absolute crap. There is nothing spiritual, philosophical or benefiial to propogate from the quran ,except "believe and submit or you will go to hell". The whole purpose of living seems to be rendered mindless, zombified existence since all freedoms and creativity is suppressed. This only goes to show monotheism is the handiwork of a clever and barbarically cruel politicians who want absolute and unquestioned political power to rule over the masses and live luxuriously off others labours. That is why it is so organised and has the connections to the ruling elite. You cannot expect democracy in such an immoral and barbaric dispensation. That is why 'liberated' Iraq,Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya,Tunisia,etc, seem no better than what they were before the socalled "liberation".
written by duh_swami , February 10, 2012
There is no coherence or order or chronology inthe arrangement of its chapters or surahs.
I think that is deliberate to make it look like a holy book...If you put everything in its right order, it looks more like a history book, and not a very good one at that...
I think that is deliberate to make it look like a holy book...If you put everything in its right order, it looks more like a history book, and not a very good one at that...
written by Mozlem , February 11, 2012
Was there just three verses (now removed from Quran) that were revealed by Satan or the whole book?
http://www.muhammadanism.org/Q...Verses.htm Satan breaks the armour of Mohamed and then Mohamed realise oh bummer it seems satanic. Let remove the verses and ask for repentence. That too after some others pointed out. He did not have the IQ or the brains to realise this blunder
http://www.muhammadanism.org/Q...Verses.htm Satan breaks the armour of Mohamed and then Mohamed realise oh bummer it seems satanic. Let remove the verses and ask for repentence. That too after some others pointed out. He did not have the IQ or the brains to realise this blunder
written by Mozlem , February 11, 2012
Allah the Cult of the Moon God
Kaaba in the ancient Islam was the place where a man can have sex with his wife in front of Allah !! and Muslim women were used to paint Kaaba walls with their Menstruation Blood in order to get Pregnancy a lot !!
and as you see this picture is currently inside Kaaba !! and it represents The female reproductive system (Vagina)..and Muslims are worshiping this reproductive system
by kissing and touching it when the go to the hajj !! No Comment
More info about: Why they kiss the Black Stone
http://www.youtube.com/watc...ture=iv
written by then lie , February 12, 2012
Surah 112. Al-Ikhlas
1. Say: He is Allah, the One!
2. Allah, the eternally Besought of all!
3. He begetteth not nor was begotten.
4. And there is none comparable unto Him.
Adam(the first Prophet),Idris,Nuh,Hud,Sholeh,Ibrahim, Lut, Ismail, Ishak, Yacub, Yusuf etc.they worship Allah.They are Muslim.open Holy Quran.learn islam.Looks and go to another islam Coutry likes, Brunaidarussalam, malaysia, Indonesia, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh.Islam The future relegion only have one god.whorship one god.islam is the straight path.
1. Say: He is Allah, the One!
2. Allah, the eternally Besought of all!
3. He begetteth not nor was begotten.
4. And there is none comparable unto Him.
Adam(the first Prophet),Idris,Nuh,Hud,Sholeh,Ibrahim, Lut, Ismail, Ishak, Yacub, Yusuf etc.they worship Allah.They are Muslim.open Holy Quran.learn islam.Looks and go to another islam Coutry likes, Brunaidarussalam, malaysia, Indonesia, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh.Islam The future relegion only have one god.whorship one god.islam is the straight path.
written by Yibel , February 12, 2012
Surat 112 is an ode to An/Anu, the eternal god, the unbegotten one, the original creator god of the Mesopotamians (Sumerians) of the city of Erech. His sign was the crescent moon and the horns of a bull. His consort was Ishtar whose sign was the planet Venus. These are the Star and the Crescent of Islam.
An/Anu is derived from the Summerian “ana”, “heaven”, of which he was the principal deity. An/Anu was the visible sky containing the moon, sun and stars, but was also the invisible heavens considered beyond the sky. The Throne of Marduk, the creator of humans, was above these heavens and this is where the Tablets of Destiny were kept, the original Qur'an. Qur/Kur was the name of the underworld, so Qur'an means Hell and Heaven.
While we don't really know anything about who Hud, Ismail, Sholeh/Salih and Idris worshiped because they are either not in the Bible at all (Hud, Salih and Idris), or they rejected the God of the Bible, Ismail/Ishmail probably worshiped the Egyptian gods since his mother was an Egyptian and she married him to an Egyptian and his grandson was Hori, a worshiper of Horus. However, Adam, Nuh/Noah, Ibrahim/Abraham, Yacub/Jacob,
Ishak/Isaac and Yusuf/Joseph all worhiped YHVH, a TOTALLY different God from the 99 gods of the Qur'an.
I have read the Qur'an. It is a path straight to hell. Muhammad was listening to an evil djinn.
An/Anu is derived from the Summerian “ana”, “heaven”, of which he was the principal deity. An/Anu was the visible sky containing the moon, sun and stars, but was also the invisible heavens considered beyond the sky. The Throne of Marduk, the creator of humans, was above these heavens and this is where the Tablets of Destiny were kept, the original Qur'an. Qur/Kur was the name of the underworld, so Qur'an means Hell and Heaven.
While we don't really know anything about who Hud, Ismail, Sholeh/Salih and Idris worshiped because they are either not in the Bible at all (Hud, Salih and Idris), or they rejected the God of the Bible, Ismail/Ishmail probably worshiped the Egyptian gods since his mother was an Egyptian and she married him to an Egyptian and his grandson was Hori, a worshiper of Horus. However, Adam, Nuh/Noah, Ibrahim/Abraham, Yacub/Jacob,
Ishak/Isaac and Yusuf/Joseph all worhiped YHVH, a TOTALLY different God from the 99 gods of the Qur'an.
I have read the Qur'an. It is a path straight to hell. Muhammad was listening to an evil djinn.
written by Gnostic , February 12, 2012
Everywhere the quran pretends to be a holy book similar to the bible. Why else are there so many claims in the quran itself that it is NOT fake. So the answer is easy. An imitation is never inimitable and if someone looks at many chapters of the quran he or she will easily find out that many chapters are almost unchanged drawn from the bible while others are more or less distorted. There are also chapters obviously drawn from the talmud or gnostic scriptures which can be shown quite easily. Concerning Jesus it is written that he only seemed have died at the cross, which is a main gnostic doctrine of docetism (greek: dokein = to seem like). Here we can also see that the author of the quran drew things from other sources without really understanding it. This is much like a parrot who is also only imitating without understanding. Even the muslims are only imitating because they always memorise and repeat but never understand what they are reading.
There are also oral traditions in the quran of chrisitan origin, for example, the surah the Cave consists of two christian stories: The Seven Sleepers and the christianised Alexander Romance which both existed decades if not centuries before the quran.
There are also oral traditions in the quran of chrisitan origin, for example, the surah the Cave consists of two christian stories: The Seven Sleepers and the christianised Alexander Romance which both existed decades if not centuries before the quran.
written by Gnostic , February 12, 2012
It draws almost all important stories from the bible. Adam, Joseph, Moses, Jesus and many more - they all appear in the quran. However, they all share the fact that they have no historcal background. They are only fiction, inventions by jewish writer who had the intention to invent a tradition which never existed.
There was no Moses and the reason is very clear. The jews were still polytheistic during this time and anybody who reads quran and bible carefully will realise that they both have absolutely no knowledge about Egyptian history.
The relation between bible and quran is very similar to that of two students at school. One guy knows something and writes while the second one does not know anything and is forced to write what his neighbour wrote. However, he also copies all the errors of contradictions of his neighbour and this is exactly what we can see in the quran.
The author of the quran did npot only copy all the mistakes from the bible, he made even more additional mistakes because he did not understand what he copied. If islam is against the trinity, it does not make sense that jesus is still called the Word (logos). I think the author of the quran had absolutely no idea of philosophical concepts such as Logos because in his world was only space for flogging, beheading and wife beating.
This is the truth and the muslims should face that reality. Thei religion is far away from any deeper philosophical background and consists only of parroting and memorising, violence and nothing else.
There was no Moses and the reason is very clear. The jews were still polytheistic during this time and anybody who reads quran and bible carefully will realise that they both have absolutely no knowledge about Egyptian history.
The relation between bible and quran is very similar to that of two students at school. One guy knows something and writes while the second one does not know anything and is forced to write what his neighbour wrote. However, he also copies all the errors of contradictions of his neighbour and this is exactly what we can see in the quran.
The author of the quran did npot only copy all the mistakes from the bible, he made even more additional mistakes because he did not understand what he copied. If islam is against the trinity, it does not make sense that jesus is still called the Word (logos). I think the author of the quran had absolutely no idea of philosophical concepts such as Logos because in his world was only space for flogging, beheading and wife beating.
This is the truth and the muslims should face that reality. Thei religion is far away from any deeper philosophical background and consists only of parroting and memorising, violence and nothing else.
written by duh_swami , February 12, 2012
Good writing...Your grasp of the Quran is right on the money...Remember to wash your hands after grasping...
written by Muslim & Proud , February 13, 2012
This website claims to tell the truth about Islam.
It's quite amazing that on the one hand, all ex-muslims consider Islam to consist of nothing but lies.
Yet on the other hand, they use evidence from what they consider to be lies,TO TELL THE TRUTH
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That is genius - priceless in fact.
It's quite amazing that on the one hand, all ex-muslims consider Islam to consist of nothing but lies.
Yet on the other hand, they use evidence from what they consider to be lies,TO TELL THE TRUTH
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That is genius - priceless in fact.
written by Gnostic , February 13, 2012
You are wrong. in order to uncover a lie it is necessary to quote it. How else can anybody provide evidence that a lie is a lie? What lie?
You must be EXTREMELY intelligent!
You must be EXTREMELY intelligent!
written by Machmoed , February 13, 2012
What are you talking about M&P? Islam like all other religion are manmade. Everything we know relates to human proportions.
There is much evidence that islam in the beginning was different. There is not a single authentic evidence of Muhammad, Mecca, Qur'an, islam/muslim till the end of the 7th century. Outside the hidjaaz, it was much later. It seems Muhammad the prophet exisits only in islamic scripture and literature. Talking about facts!
There is much evidence that islam in the beginning was different. There is not a single authentic evidence of Muhammad, Mecca, Qur'an, islam/muslim till the end of the 7th century. Outside the hidjaaz, it was much later. It seems Muhammad the prophet exisits only in islamic scripture and literature. Talking about facts!
written by duh_swami , February 13, 2012
Haha, I gave up trying to get a straight answer out of this guy...I suspect he's about 17 and hasn't yet earned any merit badges...
written by Gnostic , February 13, 2012
The story is even more revealing if we consider that muslims are not allowed to read the bible. In Malaysia it is forbidden to sell bibles to muslims and in Saudi Arabia people might get even killed for posessing a bible.
But if the quran were true and the bible not it would be very easy to show this and to provide evidence. There should be archaeological evidence, logical evidence and much more. However, the muslim rulers are hiding the bible because they cannot rely on the quran. They are afraid that people would discover that the bible is more original and that the quran is only fake.
In contrast, there is no christian country were the quran is forbidden. Why? Because western rulers have enough confidence in their people and nobody likes to treat them like stupid animals who should only listen and never ask.
But if the quran were true and the bible not it would be very easy to show this and to provide evidence. There should be archaeological evidence, logical evidence and much more. However, the muslim rulers are hiding the bible because they cannot rely on the quran. They are afraid that people would discover that the bible is more original and that the quran is only fake.
In contrast, there is no christian country were the quran is forbidden. Why? Because western rulers have enough confidence in their people and nobody likes to treat them like stupid animals who should only listen and never ask.
written by Muslim & Proud , February 13, 2012
"You are wrong. in order to uncover a lie it is necessary to quote it. How else can anybody provide evidence that a lie is a lie? What lie?
You must be EXTREMELY intelligent!"
If your belief beforehand is that what you are about to quote is lies and fake, then what is the point quoting it, in order to tell (what you consider to be) the truth about it.
You guys are so funny.
You must be EXTREMELY intelligent!"
If your belief beforehand is that what you are about to quote is lies and fake, then what is the point quoting it, in order to tell (what you consider to be) the truth about it.
You guys are so funny.
written by Muslim & Proud , February 13, 2012
"They are afraid that people would discover that the bible is more original and that the quran is only fake."
So your belief is that the Holy Qur'an is fake. You then think it is rational to quote something which you regard to be fake, in order to tell the truth about it.
It's a bit like somebody accusing Dennis The Menace of being a criminal, quoting the comic - knowing full well that the comic is nothing but fake
You really are something Gnostic.
So your belief is that the Holy Qur'an is fake. You then think it is rational to quote something which you regard to be fake, in order to tell the truth about it.
It's a bit like somebody accusing Dennis The Menace of being a criminal, quoting the comic - knowing full well that the comic is nothing but fake
You really are something Gnostic.
written by Machmoed , February 13, 2012
Lies?
Yes, it is a lie of the qur'an to assume that mary mother of jesus is part of the trinity dogma. It is a lie that mary (maryam) mother of jesus is the siter of Aaron. It is also a lie that muslims say that qur'an means sister in religion. It is a lie that the qur'an is the word of Allah. These are all lies and you don't have to be a rocketscientist to see this through. There is so much evidence in qur'an itself that you have to be blind to relate these rambling to a God/Allah/possible creator. Meteorites/stars are used as missiles to shoot the jinn? Are you serious?
Can it be more rediculous? Why? because of not believing in God as a good entity. To believe in God has nothing to do with any religion. It has nothing to do with worshipping some deity by lifting your backside and kissing the ground and do more pahetic rituals. As if God/Allah doesn't understand if you don't do the rituals. It's all shirk. Ka'ba, mecca, prophets, holy books etc. is all shirk. Did you only kneweth!
Yes, it is a lie of the qur'an to assume that mary mother of jesus is part of the trinity dogma. It is a lie that mary (maryam) mother of jesus is the siter of Aaron. It is also a lie that muslims say that qur'an means sister in religion. It is a lie that the qur'an is the word of Allah. These are all lies and you don't have to be a rocketscientist to see this through. There is so much evidence in qur'an itself that you have to be blind to relate these rambling to a God/Allah/possible creator. Meteorites/stars are used as missiles to shoot the jinn? Are you serious?
Can it be more rediculous? Why? because of not believing in God as a good entity. To believe in God has nothing to do with any religion. It has nothing to do with worshipping some deity by lifting your backside and kissing the ground and do more pahetic rituals. As if God/Allah doesn't understand if you don't do the rituals. It's all shirk. Ka'ba, mecca, prophets, holy books etc. is all shirk. Did you only kneweth!
written by Gnostic , February 13, 2012
Your example is not very useful. The comic Dennis The Menace is fiction and everybody knows that. So it cannot considered to be fake or not because nobody would claim that it is true. In contrast, the quran claims at many places that it is written by Allah or god and that everything in it is true. The quran even denies again and again that it is fake- therefore we must conclude that it makes reason to think that the opposite might be true or not.
So i just show that there are mistakes, contradictions and other inconsistencies in order to show that there are things wrong in the quran. And if I can find only one mistake we must have doubt that the quran is written by god. True?
What does this has to do with Dennis the Menace? Or do you want to compare the quran with a comic?
So i just show that there are mistakes, contradictions and other inconsistencies in order to show that there are things wrong in the quran. And if I can find only one mistake we must have doubt that the quran is written by god. True?
What does this has to do with Dennis the Menace? Or do you want to compare the quran with a comic?
written by Muslim and proud , February 13, 2012
"And if I can find only one mistake we must have doubt that the quran is written by god. True?"
False.
All it does is convince YOU and any other who is interested in what you regard to be
a mistake.
Me personally, I could not care less what other religious books say and whether they are true or not - why would I give any other religion the time of day (with all due respect off course)
False.
All it does is convince YOU and any other who is interested in what you regard to be
a mistake.
Me personally, I could not care less what other religious books say and whether they are true or not - why would I give any other religion the time of day (with all due respect off course)
written by Machmoed , February 13, 2012
"And if I can find only one mistake we must have doubt that the quran is written by god. True?"
False.
You're rambling again. It's Allah telling it. He sais in Qur'an that if it was not from Him, man would find errors in it. Ofcourse it is not God/Allah who is telling it because it is as subjective as can be. The same case as the challenge by Allah to bring forth an aya/sura as in qur'an. Wow, that some believe Allah can lower his majesty and souvereinity to such actions. But hey, who cares? you couldn't care more or less right? To me, your behaviour is immature and i know you're not a good muslim except for the part of playing dumb.......uhh..i mean you're a perfect example. Confused yet?
False.
You're rambling again. It's Allah telling it. He sais in Qur'an that if it was not from Him, man would find errors in it. Ofcourse it is not God/Allah who is telling it because it is as subjective as can be. The same case as the challenge by Allah to bring forth an aya/sura as in qur'an. Wow, that some believe Allah can lower his majesty and souvereinity to such actions. But hey, who cares? you couldn't care more or less right? To me, your behaviour is immature and i know you're not a good muslim except for the part of playing dumb.......uhh..i mean you're a perfect example. Confused yet?
written by Muslim and proud , February 13, 2012
It's only an error or mistake according to that person. More than a billion people will reject it an refute it until they die.
Anyway, why spend valuable time in 'trying' to find errors or mistakes in something you consider to be fake and lies.....
You obviously have a very boring life. So sad.
Anyway, why spend valuable time in 'trying' to find errors or mistakes in something you consider to be fake and lies.....
You obviously have a very boring life. So sad.
written by Gnostic , February 13, 2012
It is not that I would like other to read the bible in order to become christian. It is more about a scientific approach. For around 1400 years, nobody was allowed to raise any doubt about the quran. But how can we assess it? One way would be to compare it and here I would say it is the most useful way tp compare it to its most closely related writings - bible, talmud and others in order to find out how the quran was developed and to find out what might be true or not.
It is not that I am advertising for the bible or talmud; I think we must assess all holy scriptures with modern and scientific approaches. We might find out that the old stories from the bible derived from even older stories from Mesopotamia like Gilgamesh and others. No writing is isolated but they were all influenced by older scriptures and influenced newer ones such as the quran.
Interestingly, the author of the quran was influenced by the bible but he had obviously no knowledge from more ancient history about Egypt, Mesopotamia and many other things. If he had, he could have corrected some errors in the bible. Instead the quran has nothing really new to offer and even taking fictional stories with all their errors for true history.
It is not that I am advertising for the bible or talmud; I think we must assess all holy scriptures with modern and scientific approaches. We might find out that the old stories from the bible derived from even older stories from Mesopotamia like Gilgamesh and others. No writing is isolated but they were all influenced by older scriptures and influenced newer ones such as the quran.
Interestingly, the author of the quran was influenced by the bible but he had obviously no knowledge from more ancient history about Egypt, Mesopotamia and many other things. If he had, he could have corrected some errors in the bible. Instead the quran has nothing really new to offer and even taking fictional stories with all their errors for true history.
written by Muslim & Proud , February 13, 2012
"It is not that I would like other to read the bible in order to become christian. It is more about a scientific approach. For around 1400 years, nobody was allowed to raise any doubt about the quran. But how can we assess it? One way would be to compare it and here I would say it is the most useful way tp compare it to its most closely related writings - bible, talmud and others in order to find out how the quran was developed and to find out what might be true or not."
Ultimately, it will remain your opinion, whatever the findings are.
"It is not that I am advertising for the bible or talmud; I think we must assess all holy scriptures with modern and scientific approaches. We might find out that the old stories from the bible derived from even older stories from Mesopotamia like Gilgamesh and others. No writing is isolated but they were all influenced by older scriptures and influenced newer ones such as the quran."
Again, that's your opinion and I respect it.
"Instead the quran has nothing really new to offer and even taking fictional stories with all their errors for true history."
Again, your opinion and I respect it. There are those who convert to Islam and would completely disagree (in terms of offering something new). To which you would obviously diagree and we can go round and round in cirlces.
Ultimately, it will remain your opinion, whatever the findings are.
"It is not that I am advertising for the bible or talmud; I think we must assess all holy scriptures with modern and scientific approaches. We might find out that the old stories from the bible derived from even older stories from Mesopotamia like Gilgamesh and others. No writing is isolated but they were all influenced by older scriptures and influenced newer ones such as the quran."
Again, that's your opinion and I respect it.
"Instead the quran has nothing really new to offer and even taking fictional stories with all their errors for true history."
Again, your opinion and I respect it. There are those who convert to Islam and would completely disagree (in terms of offering something new). To which you would obviously diagree and we can go round and round in cirlces.
written by Gnostic , February 14, 2012
thank you that you accept that I have an opinion. And yes, there are people converting to islam just like people who support communism or fascism in order to obtain easy answers. It is much easier to pray and to hope than to work. It is easy to divide the world into believers and infidels and to use violence against the others. Somebody is twittering something critical against islam? Behead him! The same people want their rights respected in western countries! And it is a well known fact that there is a very rate of terrorists among converts ...
It is not that easy. People MUST decide between their options. Ignorance is not an excuse. Like the germans who voted for Hitler people who embrace islam are responsible for what they do and what they support. Yeah, I supported wife beating, beheading, terrorism, honour killings, jihad and worshipping and kissing a stone. This is what I contributed to the world! If you really believe in god, do you think that this is what he wants to hear?
BTW, this here IS about discussing such things.
It is not that easy. People MUST decide between their options. Ignorance is not an excuse. Like the germans who voted for Hitler people who embrace islam are responsible for what they do and what they support. Yeah, I supported wife beating, beheading, terrorism, honour killings, jihad and worshipping and kissing a stone. This is what I contributed to the world! If you really believe in god, do you think that this is what he wants to hear?
BTW, this here IS about discussing such things.
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
"Somebody is twittering something critical against islam? Behead him!"
Being critical is not the same as being insulting and downright offensive. This applies to any religion, belief, organisation, culture, group, colour, ethnicity, gender, sexuality, size, age, looks......etc etc etc
Wife beating is HARAAM
Terrorism is HARAAM
Honour killings are HARAAM
Worshiping a stone is HARAAM
You obviously have a biased opinion.....with all due respect.
Being critical is not the same as being insulting and downright offensive. This applies to any religion, belief, organisation, culture, group, colour, ethnicity, gender, sexuality, size, age, looks......etc etc etc
Wife beating is HARAAM
Terrorism is HARAAM
Honour killings are HARAAM
Worshiping a stone is HARAAM
You obviously have a biased opinion.....with all due respect.
written by Machmoed , February 14, 2012
Anyway, why spend valuable time in 'trying' to find errors or mistakes in something you consider to be fake and lies.
It's the other way around M&P. I know it's fake after i found many claims about Allah that are simply not true. After reading about meteor/star missiles to shoot the jinn and many errors, then it is an insult to Allah/God/creator to believe He said it. Today we know more then all the prophets together. How come you are this dumb. Dídn't you read the qur'an andhadith? If you did then you wouldn't say it's from Allah. Almu'tazilites (elite and educated ones) in 8th century believed that the qur'an is the litterally word of Muhammad inspired by Allah through jibreel. They believed and they were right as i'm concerned that qur'an is a created/shaped one because the language of qur'an was the language of hidjaaz only at that time and that's why it's so hard to understand nowadays. One advice: read your islamic sources as ibn ishac/ibn hisham, hadith saih and mutawattir. For know you know too little, i'm sorry!
It's the other way around M&P. I know it's fake after i found many claims about Allah that are simply not true. After reading about meteor/star missiles to shoot the jinn and many errors, then it is an insult to Allah/God/creator to believe He said it. Today we know more then all the prophets together. How come you are this dumb. Dídn't you read the qur'an andhadith? If you did then you wouldn't say it's from Allah. Almu'tazilites (elite and educated ones) in 8th century believed that the qur'an is the litterally word of Muhammad inspired by Allah through jibreel. They believed and they were right as i'm concerned that qur'an is a created/shaped one because the language of qur'an was the language of hidjaaz only at that time and that's why it's so hard to understand nowadays. One advice: read your islamic sources as ibn ishac/ibn hisham, hadith saih and mutawattir. For know you know too little, i'm sorry!
written by Machmoed , February 14, 2012
Again, that's your opinion and I respect it.
It's not only an opinion moron! Those stories can be found in older scriptures/tablets thousands years before the hebrews started their legacy. Moses of the jews is Mises/amunmesse of the egyptians is the same as Many from india and is the same as Minos of the greek. They all are lawgivers who recieved it from God at a mountain. Moses story can be found (90% is thesame) in Sargon's story way before Moses. Story of Noach is more pathetic. Even some details in this story can be found in the story of Gilgamesh. It's amazing you don't know these facts! did you hear it...FACTS.
Instead the quran has nothing really new to offer. That's true cause Qur'an is telling itself. It is a messege that was sent to all people by their own messenger and qur'an is just a reminder for the arabs. Quran states: We have sent (you) an arabic qur'an in order to remember/recollect (unzilna qur'anan arabian la'allakum ta'qilun).
Qnostic: M&P has zer knowledge of islam. It's a preecher and preechers are not for taking serious. He even doen't know the difference between opinion and fact.
It's not only an opinion moron! Those stories can be found in older scriptures/tablets thousands years before the hebrews started their legacy. Moses of the jews is Mises/amunmesse of the egyptians is the same as Many from india and is the same as Minos of the greek. They all are lawgivers who recieved it from God at a mountain. Moses story can be found (90% is thesame) in Sargon's story way before Moses. Story of Noach is more pathetic. Even some details in this story can be found in the story of Gilgamesh. It's amazing you don't know these facts! did you hear it...FACTS.
Instead the quran has nothing really new to offer. That's true cause Qur'an is telling itself. It is a messege that was sent to all people by their own messenger and qur'an is just a reminder for the arabs. Quran states: We have sent (you) an arabic qur'an in order to remember/recollect (unzilna qur'anan arabian la'allakum ta'qilun).
Qnostic: M&P has zer knowledge of islam. It's a preecher and preechers are not for taking serious. He even doen't know the difference between opinion and fact.
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
Mach,
I am not interested in any non-islamic source.
"Moses of the jews is Mises/amunmesse of the egyptians is the same as Many from india and is the same as Minos of the greek"
If you say so....
I am not interested in any non-islamic source.
"Moses of the jews is Mises/amunmesse of the egyptians is the same as Many from india and is the same as Minos of the greek"
If you say so....
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
Oh and btw
You accused me of not knowing the difference between opinion and fact.
That's rich coming from some who does not know the difference
Between truth an lies.....
You accused me of not knowing the difference between opinion and fact.
That's rich coming from some who does not know the difference
Between truth an lies.....
written by Machmoed , February 14, 2012
That's rich coming from some who does not know the difference
Between truth an lies.....
Your foolishness has no bounds. Don't talk about truth dummy, the truth is only in the eyes of the beholder like everything else. Your truth is nothing but your truth. My truth is my truth. There are as many truths as individuals on this planet. Truth become more real when it is lighted from every angle...so not being interested in other scriptures/stories prooves my claim that you're an infant and infants live in their fantasy world and don't want to wake up. I tried to wake you up like freeing a slave. Stay there sunshine...don't try to debate with grown ups. You can't. It's amusing though! Only calling the other a liar won't help you at all. Bring your evidence if you're truthfull, like your God has ordered you.
Between truth an lies.....
Your foolishness has no bounds. Don't talk about truth dummy, the truth is only in the eyes of the beholder like everything else. Your truth is nothing but your truth. My truth is my truth. There are as many truths as individuals on this planet. Truth become more real when it is lighted from every angle...so not being interested in other scriptures/stories prooves my claim that you're an infant and infants live in their fantasy world and don't want to wake up. I tried to wake you up like freeing a slave. Stay there sunshine...don't try to debate with grown ups. You can't. It's amusing though! Only calling the other a liar won't help you at all. Bring your evidence if you're truthfull, like your God has ordered you.
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
Mr liar,
The truth is there for all to see.
You categorically said "Not a single Hadith can be trusted"
This resulted in you making a complete fool if your ex-musl sister
Then you claimed that you didn't say this
This is usually referred to as lies Mr Adult.
The truth is there for all to see.
You categorically said "Not a single Hadith can be trusted"
This resulted in you making a complete fool if your ex-musl sister
Then you claimed that you didn't say this
This is usually referred to as lies Mr Adult.
written by Machmoed , February 14, 2012
Finelivings is no fool, moron. Weather hadeeth are authentic or not, absence of evidence is what counts. Like i told you and known by every educated muslim is that hadiths are late...very late. The umayads started it late during their reighn and used hadiths for jurispudential causes only but not often and on a large scale. That you don't know this is very shocking. The omayyads where victorious...you know their father was once the enemy and causin of Muhammad....according to hadith. Weird?
After (750 AD >) them the Abbasides came and they made a whole business of creating and building a state with a state-religion islam (from 830 AD and on) They constructed a whole new era with biographies/siras and a lot of what he did and said (8th and 9th century). But looking into the matter of all what is written, you soon will see it contains historical/fictional/mystical etc. elements. There for muslims say Allah knows best or the messenger and Allah kows best when it comes to arbitrary of these events. Besides qur'an itself sais that the best hadith and guidence is the quran. Do you take an other guidence other then what i have sent down to you? If you want i can provide you some literature that deals with this kind of questions. For now go to sleep.
After (750 AD >) them the Abbasides came and they made a whole business of creating and building a state with a state-religion islam (from 830 AD and on) They constructed a whole new era with biographies/siras and a lot of what he did and said (8th and 9th century). But looking into the matter of all what is written, you soon will see it contains historical/fictional/mystical etc. elements. There for muslims say Allah knows best or the messenger and Allah kows best when it comes to arbitrary of these events. Besides qur'an itself sais that the best hadith and guidence is the quran. Do you take an other guidence other then what i have sent down to you? If you want i can provide you some literature that deals with this kind of questions. For now go to sleep.
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
The Holy Qur'an says:
Obey Allah (the exalted) AND His Messenger (peace be upon him).
Try and do some research on unrecited revelations.
Actually, why would you want to dedicate your time to Islam.....
I'll go to sleep - YOU NEED TO WAKE UP
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Obey Allah (the exalted) AND His Messenger (peace be upon him).
Try and do some research on unrecited revelations.
Actually, why would you want to dedicate your time to Islam.....
I'll go to sleep - YOU NEED TO WAKE UP
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
written by fineliving56 , February 15, 2012
Do you feel like me …its like I am talking to deaf ears.
Your post should teach these school boys a think or two about history of Islam that they should have known …but I know most Muslims are ignorant of their Islam history it is pathetic …Most muslims do not know the meanings of what they are reciting from Quran it self, while their behind is stuck up in the air babbling the words without understand a d**n thing.
The late date of writing hadeeth is strange and suspicion and it cause distrust … that is understandable.
The reason I brought these nice samples of hadeeth, is because the two muslim visitors Zombies,we have here, believe in hadeeth and Sirah as all facts … I have to say I was waiting for such happenings around here … it was music to my ears, to bring in my favorites gems from hadeeth .
As you know, we had Reed the Quran Muslim, who distance him self [ I do not blame him] from such sick and out right out disgusting description of, any life, let alone a prophet's life…
I bring Hadeeth because they BELIEVE it as true facts ….not because I believe it as true facts … it does not matter if I believe or not… what is important here is that they DO believe in it t and they think that to live as Muhammad lived and described in Sirah is the perfect life that ever a Muslim could hope to live … and that where the problem lay, as you know
Your post should teach these school boys a think or two about history of Islam that they should have known …but I know most Muslims are ignorant of their Islam history it is pathetic …Most muslims do not know the meanings of what they are reciting from Quran it self, while their behind is stuck up in the air babbling the words without understand a d**n thing.
The late date of writing hadeeth is strange and suspicion and it cause distrust … that is understandable.
The reason I brought these nice samples of hadeeth, is because the two muslim visitors Zombies,we have here, believe in hadeeth and Sirah as all facts … I have to say I was waiting for such happenings around here … it was music to my ears, to bring in my favorites gems from hadeeth .
As you know, we had Reed the Quran Muslim, who distance him self [ I do not blame him] from such sick and out right out disgusting description of, any life, let alone a prophet's life…
I bring Hadeeth because they BELIEVE it as true facts ….not because I believe it as true facts … it does not matter if I believe or not… what is important here is that they DO believe in it t and they think that to live as Muhammad lived and described in Sirah is the perfect life that ever a Muslim could hope to live … and that where the problem lay, as you know
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
"I bring Hadeeth because they BELIEVE it as true facts ….not because I believe it as true facts"
Can you make your mind up?
Here is your pathetic situation fineliving:
1 - You make an accusation of rape and confirm that you believe the Hadith to be true. In which case, you still believe in the Hadith and yet you claim to have left Islam.
2 - You are now claiming that the Hadith are not true facts and therefore, your accusation cannot have any credibility.
It cannot be any more pathetic fineliving, it really can't.
Muslims indeed believe the authentic Hadith to be facts, but they also understand the wisdom - that's the difference.
YOU HAVE LEFT ISLAM - ISLAM WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU
Can you make your mind up?
Here is your pathetic situation fineliving:
1 - You make an accusation of rape and confirm that you believe the Hadith to be true. In which case, you still believe in the Hadith and yet you claim to have left Islam.
2 - You are now claiming that the Hadith are not true facts and therefore, your accusation cannot have any credibility.
It cannot be any more pathetic fineliving, it really can't.
Muslims indeed believe the authentic Hadith to be facts, but they also understand the wisdom - that's the difference.
YOU HAVE LEFT ISLAM - ISLAM WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
You made an accusation of rape.
Now let's speak hypothetically and put your accusation into perspective:
Fineliving: Such and such a person committed rape
Judge: Do you have any evidence
Fineliving: Yes, The Hadith
Judge: Do you believe the Hadith to be factual
Fineliving: No
Judge: Why are you wasting my time?
Fineliving: I left Islam but it is still a part of my daily life
Judge: You need help - your situation is sad and pathetic
Fineliving: But the muslims believe the Hadith to be factual
Judge: So what business is that of yours?
Fineliving: I have left Islam but it is still a part of my daily life
Judge: Get a life and move on.........
Fineliving: I can't
Judge: Your'e pathetic
Fineliving: I do not have a clue........what to do
Judge: Put Islam behind you and move on
Fineliving: I can't
Fineliving: Can you move on?
Now let's speak hypothetically and put your accusation into perspective:
Fineliving: Such and such a person committed rape
Judge: Do you have any evidence
Fineliving: Yes, The Hadith
Judge: Do you believe the Hadith to be factual
Fineliving: No
Judge: Why are you wasting my time?
Fineliving: I left Islam but it is still a part of my daily life
Judge: You need help - your situation is sad and pathetic
Fineliving: But the muslims believe the Hadith to be factual
Judge: So what business is that of yours?
Fineliving: I have left Islam but it is still a part of my daily life
Judge: Get a life and move on.........
Fineliving: I can't
Judge: Your'e pathetic
Fineliving: I do not have a clue........what to do
Judge: Put Islam behind you and move on
Fineliving: I can't
Fineliving: Can you move on?
written by Gnostic , February 15, 2012
It is symptomatic that M&P refuses to read non-muslim sources probably like almost all muslims. But how can you make the claim then that the quran is inimitable? Or how can you make any claim about the quran if you have never compared it to anything else.
To be honest, I have been reading religious texts from almost all major religions for a long time. I was strongly against christianity in earlier times and favouring buddhism very much as well as taoism but my first impression of the quran was that it was rather sloppily written with many inconsistencies and this is still the case. Schopenhauer (a famous german philosopher you will probably never read) who was also very interested in buddhism as well as in hinduism slammed the quran as "schlechtes Buch" and he confessed that he ws unable to find any useful idea in it. He also wrote that the quran is the most miserable account of monotheism.
Of course the islamic world never had somebody like Schopenhauer, Nietzsche or Feuerbach and this is one of the reasons why this part of the world is still so far behind. The arabs aer so much closer to Europe than Japan - but why is Japan developed and the Arab world isnt? Because there is no space for people like Schopenhauer - the muslim mob would kill allo f them immediately.
To be honest, I have been reading religious texts from almost all major religions for a long time. I was strongly against christianity in earlier times and favouring buddhism very much as well as taoism but my first impression of the quran was that it was rather sloppily written with many inconsistencies and this is still the case. Schopenhauer (a famous german philosopher you will probably never read) who was also very interested in buddhism as well as in hinduism slammed the quran as "schlechtes Buch" and he confessed that he ws unable to find any useful idea in it. He also wrote that the quran is the most miserable account of monotheism.
Of course the islamic world never had somebody like Schopenhauer, Nietzsche or Feuerbach and this is one of the reasons why this part of the world is still so far behind. The arabs aer so much closer to Europe than Japan - but why is Japan developed and the Arab world isnt? Because there is no space for people like Schopenhauer - the muslim mob would kill allo f them immediately.
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
"Because there is no space for people like Schopenhauer - the muslim mob would kill allo f them immediately."
The Holy Qur'an was revealed in Arabic.
Arabs do not need any German to explain to them the meaning of the Holy Qur'an.........it could not be any simpler.
"slammed the quran as "schlechtes Buch" and he confessed that he ws unable to find any useful idea in it."
Maybe your research into religion needs to have some balance and include the views of those who embraced Islam following the study of the Holy Qur'an.
Gnostic - even if I was blind, I would know you are biased - it really is that obvious.
The Holy Qur'an was revealed in Arabic.
Arabs do not need any German to explain to them the meaning of the Holy Qur'an.........it could not be any simpler.
"slammed the quran as "schlechtes Buch" and he confessed that he ws unable to find any useful idea in it."
Maybe your research into religion needs to have some balance and include the views of those who embraced Islam following the study of the Holy Qur'an.
Gnostic - even if I was blind, I would know you are biased - it really is that obvious.
written by machmoed , February 15, 2012
Obey Allah (the exalted) AND His Messenger (peace be upon him).
Yes baby boy, this deals with the qur'an. The people who heard muhammad recite the qur'an should believe and obey him. It's strictly about the qur'an and nothing else. The qur'an a couple of times warnes or adresses Muhammad because of mistaks he made. Again, you show the typical sunni vision of arrogance and foolishness. Tell your abdul Imam to study the subject more!
Yes baby boy, this deals with the qur'an. The people who heard muhammad recite the qur'an should believe and obey him. It's strictly about the qur'an and nothing else. The qur'an a couple of times warnes or adresses Muhammad because of mistaks he made. Again, you show the typical sunni vision of arrogance and foolishness. Tell your abdul Imam to study the subject more!
written by fineliving56 , February 15, 2012
You mean you still did not get it yet.
You mean you did not get this simple sentence …when I said'' Not because I believe it as true '' it is not the same as '' I do not believe it is true'' …haha …you do not know the difference ? … no surprise .
From the gibberish that you call posts, I see you are beyond help and there nothing in your brain to fall on to ….your brain in suffering from the VIRUS called Islam …
Yes, your Muhammad the thief , who stole Aysha innocents and he is a child Molester,rapist ,mad man who preyed on little Ayesha because ...he is a pedophile who acutely brought him self to tear up little Ayasha vagina,
Just like all the sick muslim men in Yemen and other muslim countries, who are emulating the rapist and marrying 9/10/11/12/13 years olds and the little girls have be walking around with punctured passage that leaks to no end …did you hear about that …ever …no …of course not you are too busy playing with your Quran in your lap.
Like I asked you ….Do you have a little sister Muslim or a daughter ? ….did you emulate your rapist prophet and marry them to a full grown man … can you let it happen? if you can …then you are as sick as him and you should be locked up for letting a rape happen to a child … this day and age people who do that are in jail all their lives.
BTW ….I am going to say it for the last time … It does not matter If I believe the sick hadeeth or not, I left it all together, what matters here is that YOU believe as true facts ….in turn you emulated …in turn girls get raped … get it? …
You are so desperate Muslim and ashamed and it shows.
You mean you did not get this simple sentence …when I said'' Not because I believe it as true '' it is not the same as '' I do not believe it is true'' …haha …you do not know the difference ? … no surprise .
From the gibberish that you call posts, I see you are beyond help and there nothing in your brain to fall on to ….your brain in suffering from the VIRUS called Islam …
Yes, your Muhammad the thief , who stole Aysha innocents and he is a child Molester,rapist ,mad man who preyed on little Ayesha because ...he is a pedophile who acutely brought him self to tear up little Ayasha vagina,
Just like all the sick muslim men in Yemen and other muslim countries, who are emulating the rapist and marrying 9/10/11/12/13 years olds and the little girls have be walking around with punctured passage that leaks to no end …did you hear about that …ever …no …of course not you are too busy playing with your Quran in your lap.
Like I asked you ….Do you have a little sister Muslim or a daughter ? ….did you emulate your rapist prophet and marry them to a full grown man … can you let it happen? if you can …then you are as sick as him and you should be locked up for letting a rape happen to a child … this day and age people who do that are in jail all their lives.
BTW ….I am going to say it for the last time … It does not matter If I believe the sick hadeeth or not, I left it all together, what matters here is that YOU believe as true facts ….in turn you emulated …in turn girls get raped … get it? …
You are so desperate Muslim and ashamed and it shows.
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
"I left it all together,"
Fineliving - you left it. Yet here you are talking about Islam. What a pathetic person you are.
"what matters here is that YOU believe as true facts ….in turn you emulated …in turn girls get raped … get it? … "
Now this is where you are even more pathetic. You don't even know the facts, yet you repeat what other ignorant racist bigots say.
Do some research and you will find that Child Marriages are rife in places like India, amongst the Hindus..........you don't like to mention that right?
You have got no idea what you are talking about.
Do you even know how marriage is conducted in Islam?
I am not talking about how some muslims conduct marriage. I am talking about Islam. Like racist bigots, you focus on the negative things done by muslims......things that are against Islam.
I have said before........
You left Islam
Islam will not leave you
Absolutely pathetic you are......
Fineliving - you left it. Yet here you are talking about Islam. What a pathetic person you are.
"what matters here is that YOU believe as true facts ….in turn you emulated …in turn girls get raped … get it? … "
Now this is where you are even more pathetic. You don't even know the facts, yet you repeat what other ignorant racist bigots say.
Do some research and you will find that Child Marriages are rife in places like India, amongst the Hindus..........you don't like to mention that right?
You have got no idea what you are talking about.
Do you even know how marriage is conducted in Islam?
I am not talking about how some muslims conduct marriage. I am talking about Islam. Like racist bigots, you focus on the negative things done by muslims......things that are against Islam.
I have said before........
You left Islam
Islam will not leave you
Absolutely pathetic you are......
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
"did you emulate your rapist prophet"
Fineliving is making an accusation and her proof is the Hadith which SHE does not even believe to be factual.......
Please do not tell me that muslims believe it. Muslims are not making any accusation.........YOU ARE........
Pathetic
Fineliving is making an accusation and her proof is the Hadith which SHE does not even believe to be factual.......
Please do not tell me that muslims believe it. Muslims are not making any accusation.........YOU ARE........
Pathetic
written by duh_swami , February 15, 2012
The Holy Qur'an was revealed in Arabic.
Why yes it was...Do you read, write and comprehend Arabic? Are there secret messages in Quran that only an Arabic reader can get? Why is it that many people who can read and understand Arabic reject the Quran? If the Quran is understandable only in Arabic, does that mean my English translation, or that of the German is wrong? Exactly how is it wrong? If it is wrong or incomplete, why do Muslims print up and distribute English translations? There is a sharia penalty for altering anything in Quran, to put anything in, or to take anything out, is considered apostasy...
Since the original resides with Allah in Paradise, and no one actually knows what is written, it means that all translations, including the Arabic are wrong...That means all Muslims who read and believe any Quran are apostates, by sharia definition...Most likely Uthman was responsible for this awkward position for future Muslims, he was one of the very first apostates, and his book is what comes down to Muslims today, with some later 'adjustement' in the 700/800 hundreds...A book edited and 'adjusted' by an apostate is what you are worshipping as a holy book...
Why yes it was...Do you read, write and comprehend Arabic? Are there secret messages in Quran that only an Arabic reader can get? Why is it that many people who can read and understand Arabic reject the Quran? If the Quran is understandable only in Arabic, does that mean my English translation, or that of the German is wrong? Exactly how is it wrong? If it is wrong or incomplete, why do Muslims print up and distribute English translations? There is a sharia penalty for altering anything in Quran, to put anything in, or to take anything out, is considered apostasy...
Since the original resides with Allah in Paradise, and no one actually knows what is written, it means that all translations, including the Arabic are wrong...That means all Muslims who read and believe any Quran are apostates, by sharia definition...Most likely Uthman was responsible for this awkward position for future Muslims, he was one of the very first apostates, and his book is what comes down to Muslims today, with some later 'adjustement' in the 700/800 hundreds...A book edited and 'adjusted' by an apostate is what you are worshipping as a holy book...
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
"Why is it that many people who can read and understand Arabic reject the Quran? If the Quran is understandable only in Arabic, does that mean my English translation, or that of the German is wrong? Exactly how is it wrong? If it is wrong or incomplete, why do Muslims print up and distribute English translations? There is a sharia penalty for altering anything in Quran, to put anything in, or to take anything out, is considered apostasy..."
It's no surprise that a member of the EDL cannot even read simple english. If a book was originally written in english, are you trying to tell me that your dad would be happy if a german came along and told you what it actually means?
What a dumb duck...............good grief.
That is quality you stupid duck......top drawer. 10/10 duck face......
It's no surprise that a member of the EDL cannot even read simple english. If a book was originally written in english, are you trying to tell me that your dad would be happy if a german came along and told you what it actually means?
What a dumb duck...............good grief.
That is quality you stupid duck......top drawer. 10/10 duck face......
written by fineliving56 , February 15, 2012
> Fineliving - you left it. Yet here you are talking about Islam. What a pathetic person you are.
Obviously I'm here to convince naive people like you to wake up. Why don't you know this yet?
Your main problem is based in rationalizations. When you are presented with new ideas that contradict your beliefs, you create rationalizations that help you to feel good about yourself. This is very naive and very irrational thinking.
This phenomena is explained by Cognitive Dissonance theory. When a person is presented with ideas that contradict their current beliefs, the unconscious part of their mind experiences this feeling of dissonance. When this occurs, the unconscious attempts to relieve the dissonance by all sorts of irrational tactic like denial and rationalization.
The only way to prevent your unconscious from causing you to think irrationally is to be aware of your thinking, i.e. introspection. So, do you introspect? Do you reflect on your own thinking? Do you reflect on your emotions? Do you reflect on your actions? I bet you don't. And this is what causes you to continue thinking irrationally and naively about everything in your life.
So why don't you change? Why don't you take responsibility for your thoughts, emotions, and actions?
I noted that you said that I insulted Mohamed. To insult means to speak disrespectfully to someone. But Mohamed is dead; I am not speaking to him. So obviously I can not insult a dead person, since he is dirt right now. What I think you mean is that I insulted *you*. But this is irrational too. I said nothing disrespectfully to you. I am only explaining the truth. This is what rational people do.
You on the other hand are not thinking rationally. When you said *insulted*, what you really mean is that you felt a negative emotion and you are claiming that I am responsible for your negative emotion. You are shifting responsibility [of your feelings] to me. But I refuse to accept responsibility for your feelings. Only you are responsible for your feelings. Responsibility denial is irrational and naive.
Obviously I'm here to convince naive people like you to wake up. Why don't you know this yet?
Your main problem is based in rationalizations. When you are presented with new ideas that contradict your beliefs, you create rationalizations that help you to feel good about yourself. This is very naive and very irrational thinking.
This phenomena is explained by Cognitive Dissonance theory. When a person is presented with ideas that contradict their current beliefs, the unconscious part of their mind experiences this feeling of dissonance. When this occurs, the unconscious attempts to relieve the dissonance by all sorts of irrational tactic like denial and rationalization.
The only way to prevent your unconscious from causing you to think irrationally is to be aware of your thinking, i.e. introspection. So, do you introspect? Do you reflect on your own thinking? Do you reflect on your emotions? Do you reflect on your actions? I bet you don't. And this is what causes you to continue thinking irrationally and naively about everything in your life.
So why don't you change? Why don't you take responsibility for your thoughts, emotions, and actions?
I noted that you said that I insulted Mohamed. To insult means to speak disrespectfully to someone. But Mohamed is dead; I am not speaking to him. So obviously I can not insult a dead person, since he is dirt right now. What I think you mean is that I insulted *you*. But this is irrational too. I said nothing disrespectfully to you. I am only explaining the truth. This is what rational people do.
You on the other hand are not thinking rationally. When you said *insulted*, what you really mean is that you felt a negative emotion and you are claiming that I am responsible for your negative emotion. You are shifting responsibility [of your feelings] to me. But I refuse to accept responsibility for your feelings. Only you are responsible for your feelings. Responsibility denial is irrational and naive.
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
"Obviously I'm here to convince naive people like you to wake up. Why don't you know this yet?"
Right so Islam IS still part of your life and you will never be able to move on - thought so.
"I am only explaining the truth."
Explaining the TRUTH, using evidence which you believe to be lies?
That's pathetic fineliving.
No matter which introspect outrospect bull you use.......your situation is pathetic.
Right so Islam IS still part of your life and you will never be able to move on - thought so.
"I am only explaining the truth."
Explaining the TRUTH, using evidence which you believe to be lies?
That's pathetic fineliving.
No matter which introspect outrospect bull you use.......your situation is pathetic.
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
You love your parents right?
I certainly hope so.
If one of them was to die and after so many years someone verbally abuses them, then from your own logic, you would not be bothered in the slightest...would you.
Even those people whose parents may have been bad in some way........they would still (out of the love) defend their parents whether alive or dead.......
Or are you now going to change what you have said.
You're pathetic........
I certainly hope so.
If one of them was to die and after so many years someone verbally abuses them, then from your own logic, you would not be bothered in the slightest...would you.
Even those people whose parents may have been bad in some way........they would still (out of the love) defend their parents whether alive or dead.......
Or are you now going to change what you have said.
You're pathetic........
written by fineliving56 , February 15, 2012
Thats it?
I am pathetic?
I explained your irrational and naive thinking in great detail even going so far as to explain your psychology and you don't even respond to this?
And I'm the pathetic one?
Think about that for a moment before you press send so quickly.
And this time say something new.
I am pathetic?
I explained your irrational and naive thinking in great detail even going so far as to explain your psychology and you don't even respond to this?
And I'm the pathetic one?
Think about that for a moment before you press send so quickly.
And this time say something new.
written by fineliving56 , February 15, 2012
> If one of them was to die and after so many years someone verbally abuses them, then from your own logic, you would not be bothered in the slightest...would you.
No, not at all. Why? Because if a person says such things, one of two things is true:
(1) My parents really are bad the way the person described, in which case the person is speaking the truth. So of course I wouldn't be bothered because I'm a rational person and the person that spoke was speaking the truth.
(2) My parents aren't bad, in which case the person is speaking something that isn't true. If this occurs, it's because the person is irrational and naive. Why should I feel bad about somebody else's irrationality and naivety? If I do, then I am irrational and naive.
So no. I would not be bothered.
No, not at all. Why? Because if a person says such things, one of two things is true:
(1) My parents really are bad the way the person described, in which case the person is speaking the truth. So of course I wouldn't be bothered because I'm a rational person and the person that spoke was speaking the truth.
(2) My parents aren't bad, in which case the person is speaking something that isn't true. If this occurs, it's because the person is irrational and naive. Why should I feel bad about somebody else's irrationality and naivety? If I do, then I am irrational and naive.
So no. I would not be bothered.
written by Gnostic , February 15, 2012
You call ME biased? Maybe I am but is their any muslim who is NOT biased? You call the curan Holy Quran and every prophes gets his PBUH. PBUH!
Are you proud of you PBUH? Is this all that islam contributed to the world? It reveals that any muslim is forced to be biased all time since he is considered to commit a sin if he doesnt use PBUH when needed! You are not even allowed to think or to talk without you bias!
You said you never read anyting except muslim sources! What a shame! You know that bookpriniting was forbidden for centuries in the muslim world? But what you are doing is true ignorance. To be stupid and being proud of it to remain stupid.
Are you proud of you PBUH? Is this all that islam contributed to the world? It reveals that any muslim is forced to be biased all time since he is considered to commit a sin if he doesnt use PBUH when needed! You are not even allowed to think or to talk without you bias!
You said you never read anyting except muslim sources! What a shame! You know that bookpriniting was forbidden for centuries in the muslim world? But what you are doing is true ignorance. To be stupid and being proud of it to remain stupid.
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
"Maybe I am but is their any muslim who is NOT biased?"
You definately are biased sunshine.
"You call the curan Holy Quran and every prophes gets his PBUH. PBUH!"
And this winds you up does it?
Do you not have a life?
"It reveals that any muslim is forced to be biased all time since he is considered to commit a sin if he doesnt use PBUH when needed!"
It only applies to muslims - why do you seem to have a problem with it........
If a priest says "Holy Ghost" - I couldn't care less
If a Hindu says: Haray Raam - I couldn't care less
If a Sikh says: Waahay Guru - I couldn't care less
I have Islam and I am not bothered what anyone else does.
Maybe there is a gaping hole in your life which results in you having to spend time on Islam.....
It'a quite sad.
You definately are biased sunshine.
"You call the curan Holy Quran and every prophes gets his PBUH. PBUH!"
And this winds you up does it?
Do you not have a life?
"It reveals that any muslim is forced to be biased all time since he is considered to commit a sin if he doesnt use PBUH when needed!"
It only applies to muslims - why do you seem to have a problem with it........
If a priest says "Holy Ghost" - I couldn't care less
If a Hindu says: Haray Raam - I couldn't care less
If a Sikh says: Waahay Guru - I couldn't care less
I have Islam and I am not bothered what anyone else does.
Maybe there is a gaping hole in your life which results in you having to spend time on Islam.....
It'a quite sad.
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
"(2) My parents aren't bad, in which case the person is speaking something that isn't true. If this occurs, it's because the person is irrational and naive. Why should I feel bad about somebody else's irrationality and naivety? If I do, then I am irrational and naive."
Your own logic goes against you...........
You are using Hadith as evidence to verbally abuse someone. You consider the Hadith to be lies - therefore you are irrational and naive according to your own logic.
Well done.
Your own logic goes against you...........
You are using Hadith as evidence to verbally abuse someone. You consider the Hadith to be lies - therefore you are irrational and naive according to your own logic.
Well done.
written by fineliving56 , February 15, 2012
I repeat again …I consider hadeeth as true of the life of Muhammad …I said that ….didn't I ?
You remember …. the image I gave ….candid camera …Hello …. I explained why you are wrong... assuming that I do not believe, hadeeth as true …here in the thread , in a post posted 12 posts ago …you must not read every thing …you should so you do not sound so ignorant.
Another shamfull hadeeth is coming to mind …I think I will post it for all to see.
You remember …. the image I gave ….candid camera …Hello …. I explained why you are wrong... assuming that I do not believe, hadeeth as true …here in the thread , in a post posted 12 posts ago …you must not read every thing …you should so you do not sound so ignorant.
Another shamfull hadeeth is coming to mind …I think I will post it for all to see.
written by duh_swami , February 15, 2012
Maybe there is a gaping hole in your life which results in you having to spend time on Islam.....
I have been spending time with Islam for about 12 years...I have read Quran 3.9 times, hundreds of hadith, some of the history presented by Tabari and Ishaq...I have read a number of books written by both Muslim and kuffar...I read Islamic literature, I listen to what 'they' say, and I see what they do...I have no interest in doing Allah any favors...My interests are in mental theronistics, for which Islam is a prime study subject...I know you do not know the word 'theronistics', few do, and you won't find it in standard dictionaries, it is the study of the creation and maintenance of monstrosities...
What you post is entered into the monstrosities database for further analysis...The program is designed to detect evil...that buzzer go's off a lot...Thanks, you have been very helpful...Keep it up the more monstrous material the better... Eventually I will write a book called, Mental Monstrosity and Islam, A Study in Applied Theronistics'... I might use your name and make you infamous...of course you are already infamous...You will have to buy my book to see your name in print...
I have been spending time with Islam for about 12 years...I have read Quran 3.9 times, hundreds of hadith, some of the history presented by Tabari and Ishaq...I have read a number of books written by both Muslim and kuffar...I read Islamic literature, I listen to what 'they' say, and I see what they do...I have no interest in doing Allah any favors...My interests are in mental theronistics, for which Islam is a prime study subject...I know you do not know the word 'theronistics', few do, and you won't find it in standard dictionaries, it is the study of the creation and maintenance of monstrosities...
What you post is entered into the monstrosities database for further analysis...The program is designed to detect evil...that buzzer go's off a lot...Thanks, you have been very helpful...Keep it up the more monstrous material the better... Eventually I will write a book called, Mental Monstrosity and Islam, A Study in Applied Theronistics'... I might use your name and make you infamous...of course you are already infamous...You will have to buy my book to see your name in print...
written by Gnostic , February 15, 2012
You are right. It winds me up that people like you use PBUH in order to refer to fictional persons who never existed and refuse to accept any writings which tell them different views.
And even if people believe that Adam, Moses etc existed how can they believe that there is any merit if they use PBUH? The same is about praying. These bigots all want to be seen praying and nothing else. Why arent they doing something useful instead of praying. There are always so many things to be done. Even sleeping or resting is way more useful than that.
But of course it is your right to be a muslim and to believe this. But you must also accept that this here is a forum where people can say what they think without the fear that they become stonded by a muslim mob.
And even if people believe that Adam, Moses etc existed how can they believe that there is any merit if they use PBUH? The same is about praying. These bigots all want to be seen praying and nothing else. Why arent they doing something useful instead of praying. There are always so many things to be done. Even sleeping or resting is way more useful than that.
But of course it is your right to be a muslim and to believe this. But you must also accept that this here is a forum where people can say what they think without the fear that they become stonded by a muslim mob.
written by Gnostic , February 15, 2012
And how can muslim wish PBUH for their prophet who teached according to the quran to cast terror on believers of other faiths? There is no other religion like this on earth. And what is it good for? Islam is first in world wide illiteracy, poverty, inbreeding and some of the muslims seem to be even proud of it. proud that islam is the only religion on this planet that promotes wife beating and killing of non-believers! The only reason that this could survive is oil, the fuel that destroys our climate and makes this planet more and more difficult to survive. Before islam, egypt, mesopotamia and persia had been leading civilisations - all this is over only because of islam!
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
"I repeat again …I consider hadeeth as true of the life of Muhammad …I said that ….didn't I ?"
You are lost fineliving.
So you believe ALL the Hadith to be factual?
Please confirm once and for all.
YES or NO
You are lost fineliving.
So you believe ALL the Hadith to be factual?
Please confirm once and for all.
YES or NO
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
"I have been spending time with Islam for about 12 years...I have read Quran 3.9 times, hundreds of hadith, some of the history presented by Tabari and Ishaq...I have read a number of books written by both Muslim and kuffar...I read Islamic literature, I listen to what 'they' say, and I see what they do"
You sad man.
You sad man.
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
You are right. It winds me up that people like you use PBUH in order to refer to fictional persons who never existed and refuse to accept any writings which tell them different views.
Confused - thank you for refuting Fineliving.
"And even if people believe that Adam, Moses etc existed how can they believe that there is any merit if they use PBUH? The same is about praying. These bigots all want to be seen praying and nothing else. Why arent they doing something useful instead of praying. There are always so many things to be done. Even sleeping or resting is way more useful than that."
So now you have a problem with what muslims do in THIER time. I'm not even going to wast my time with this one.
"But of course it is your right to be a muslim and to believe this. But you must also accept that this here is a forum where people can say what they think without the fear that they become stonded by a muslim mob."
No-one is out to stone anybody. I also have a right to say what I think ;-)
Confused - thank you for refuting Fineliving.
"And even if people believe that Adam, Moses etc existed how can they believe that there is any merit if they use PBUH? The same is about praying. These bigots all want to be seen praying and nothing else. Why arent they doing something useful instead of praying. There are always so many things to be done. Even sleeping or resting is way more useful than that."
So now you have a problem with what muslims do in THIER time. I'm not even going to wast my time with this one.
"But of course it is your right to be a muslim and to believe this. But you must also accept that this here is a forum where people can say what they think without the fear that they become stonded by a muslim mob."
No-one is out to stone anybody. I also have a right to say what I think ;-)
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
"And how can muslim wish PBUH for their prophet who teached according to the quran to cast terror on believers of other faiths?"
Are you cherry picking verses?
"There is no other religion like this on earth."
Spot on
"And what is it good for? Islam is first in world wide illiteracy, poverty, inbreeding and some of the muslims seem to be even proud of it. proud that islam is the only religion on this planet that promotes wife beating and killing of non-believers!"
Extremists promote wife beating. Islam teaches man and wife to live in harmony. Your research, once again, is biased.
"The only reason that this could survive is oil, the fuel that destroys our climate and makes this planet more and more difficult to survive. Before islam, egypt, mesopotamia and persia had been leading civilisations - all this is over only because of islam!"
More biased research.
Tut tut
Are you cherry picking verses?
"There is no other religion like this on earth."
Spot on
"And what is it good for? Islam is first in world wide illiteracy, poverty, inbreeding and some of the muslims seem to be even proud of it. proud that islam is the only religion on this planet that promotes wife beating and killing of non-believers!"
Extremists promote wife beating. Islam teaches man and wife to live in harmony. Your research, once again, is biased.
"The only reason that this could survive is oil, the fuel that destroys our climate and makes this planet more and more difficult to survive. Before islam, egypt, mesopotamia and persia had been leading civilisations - all this is over only because of islam!"
More biased research.
Tut tut
written by Gnostic , February 15, 2012
You think that others think that you are cool, dont you? Really impressive how you ignore critical facts. But you are not changing anything not even the fact that the quran IS promoting wife beating and it IS teaching men to behave like dirty little cowards who beat their helpless wife.
This is a fact and you ignore that but you cannot deny it. And it is a nice contribution by me about the topic: The inimitabilty of the quran.
If you are really believing in god you cannot deny that the quran is blasphemic since it teaches to behave like dirty little cowards! And this is the unbiased truth!
This is a fact and you ignore that but you cannot deny it. And it is a nice contribution by me about the topic: The inimitabilty of the quran.
If you are really believing in god you cannot deny that the quran is blasphemic since it teaches to behave like dirty little cowards! And this is the unbiased truth!
written by Muslim and proud , February 15, 2012
"If you are really believing in god you cannot deny that the quran is blasphemic since it teaches to behave like dirty little cowards! And this is the unbiased truth!"
Gnostic,
Please confirm where the Holy Qur'an says (categorically) that it is a good thing to beat the wife.
Whilst you are there, do a quick search on google : "relationship of a husband and wife according to the Quran"
You might be shocked to learn that you are all over the place with your biased understanding.
I'm waiting.
Gnostic,
Please confirm where the Holy Qur'an says (categorically) that it is a good thing to beat the wife.
Whilst you are there, do a quick search on google : "relationship of a husband and wife according to the Quran"
You might be shocked to learn that you are all over the place with your biased understanding.
I'm waiting.
written by Gnostic , February 15, 2012
No, there is no need for me to do that at all. I did not use the word (categorically). Only you did and therefore you are confirming that it is true, categorically or not. There is no reason for a man to beat his wife except for self defense. But you probably know better than I that the quran teaches to wifes who do not obey. This opens the door to exercise violence against women. Only idiots and liars would deny this. And nobody would accept it if law makers would make a law like that in the quran: It is allowed to beat ones wife if she does not obey! And you think that god would teach such things? That any primitive guy can beat his wife if he considers she to be wrong? haha!
The quran teaches men to behave like dirty little cowards! You are only trying to push this fact away!
The quran teaches men to behave like dirty little cowards! You are only trying to push this fact away!
written by Muslim and proud , February 15, 2012
O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should you treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of the dowry you have given them - except when they have become guilty of open lewdness. On the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If you take a dislike to them, it may be that you dislike something and God will bring about through it a great deal of good. (4:19)
It seems it is you who is obsessed with violence.
It seems it is you who is obsessed with violence.
written by Gnostic , February 15, 2012
Hey, you are turning away! We are not talking about inheritance, dowries but about wife beating! Thats odd, any time people try to discuss this subjects muslims are turning away! They do not like to admit that their god teaches them to behave like dirty little cowards, right?
Dirty little muslim cowards beat their wifes according to quranic law! This happens everywhere and every day because the quran allowed muslims to behave like dirty little cowards who like to beat their wifes maybe because she does not like to have sex with him. Thats not nice in muslim societies where forced marriages with children is widespread. THIS is the background we MUST consider and not the fact I would never deny that there are certainly muslims who treat their wifes well. But what about the poor women who were not so lucky? Who were forced into a marriage and now they become beaten and raped every day? The muslim coward has no problem with this because this is all halal according to the inimitable quran!
Dirty little muslim cowards beat their wifes according to quranic law! This happens everywhere and every day because the quran allowed muslims to behave like dirty little cowards who like to beat their wifes maybe because she does not like to have sex with him. Thats not nice in muslim societies where forced marriages with children is widespread. THIS is the background we MUST consider and not the fact I would never deny that there are certainly muslims who treat their wifes well. But what about the poor women who were not so lucky? Who were forced into a marriage and now they become beaten and raped every day? The muslim coward has no problem with this because this is all halal according to the inimitable quran!
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
Let me guess Gnostic - your research did not come across 4:19.....
Maybe you are also unaware of the following:
Hadith
"Fear Allah in respect of women."
"The best of you are they who behave best to their wives."
"A Muslim must not hate his wife, and if he be displeased with one bad quality in her, let him be pleased with one that is good."
"The more civil and kind a Muslim is to his wife, the more perfect in faith he is."
I appreciate that the above is fiction to you. For a muslim man, it is very important to follow this advice with respect to the relationship between a husband and wife.
Maybe you are also unaware of the following:
Hadith
"Fear Allah in respect of women."
"The best of you are they who behave best to their wives."
"A Muslim must not hate his wife, and if he be displeased with one bad quality in her, let him be pleased with one that is good."
"The more civil and kind a Muslim is to his wife, the more perfect in faith he is."
I appreciate that the above is fiction to you. For a muslim man, it is very important to follow this advice with respect to the relationship between a husband and wife.
written by duh_swami , February 15, 2012
All those nicey nice verses do not explain away 4:34 with the permission to beat or scourge wives...Hadith do not over-rule the Quran...The sharia law that you adore stipulates various serious punishments for sometimes minor infractions...Public lashings,
stonings, and other indignities heaped upon women by Islam...and their primitive mentality husbands, fathers, brothers or a sharia executioner...That is one of the true faces of Islam, the many headed hydra, that you adore...And you are so poisoned by your adoration that you don't realize you are embracing evil...And how can 4:34, 24:1, or 5:33 as examples be anything but evil...They are not war verses, there is nothing there about attacking only if you are attacked...And worse, because Allah cannot punish in those manners himself, he demoralizes Muslims and gets them to do it for him...
This might be just fine if it didn't demoralize the people doing it, but it does, and what is left is a dangerous form of mental illness...This is why in the US, there are three men who pull the switch but only one works, that way they don't suffer the demoralization, that one man would feel...So at what level of demoralization does it take for a man/men to carry out 4:34, 24:1, or 5:33 in the name of Allah?
stonings, and other indignities heaped upon women by Islam...and their primitive mentality husbands, fathers, brothers or a sharia executioner...That is one of the true faces of Islam, the many headed hydra, that you adore...And you are so poisoned by your adoration that you don't realize you are embracing evil...And how can 4:34, 24:1, or 5:33 as examples be anything but evil...They are not war verses, there is nothing there about attacking only if you are attacked...And worse, because Allah cannot punish in those manners himself, he demoralizes Muslims and gets them to do it for him...
This might be just fine if it didn't demoralize the people doing it, but it does, and what is left is a dangerous form of mental illness...This is why in the US, there are three men who pull the switch but only one works, that way they don't suffer the demoralization, that one man would feel...So at what level of demoralization does it take for a man/men to carry out 4:34, 24:1, or 5:33 in the name of Allah?
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
"All those nicey nice verses do not explain away 4:34 with the permission to beat or scourge wives"
So from 2:193, we move onto 4:34........
I tell you what Duh_Swami, here is a very small challenge for you. Small, considering you are convinved that Islam promotes wife-beating, scourging, domestic violence etc
Find me ONE.......just ONE Islamic website (out of potentially millions), which promotes violence against women, using verses from the Holy Qur#an and/or the Hadith.
Good luck.
Ps. I won't hold my breath.
Pps. What you are likely to find is ANTI Islamic websites (plenty of them) that promote violence against women.
I'm waiting
So from 2:193, we move onto 4:34........
I tell you what Duh_Swami, here is a very small challenge for you. Small, considering you are convinved that Islam promotes wife-beating, scourging, domestic violence etc
Find me ONE.......just ONE Islamic website (out of potentially millions), which promotes violence against women, using verses from the Holy Qur#an and/or the Hadith.
Good luck.
Ps. I won't hold my breath.
Pps. What you are likely to find is ANTI Islamic websites (plenty of them) that promote violence against women.
I'm waiting
written by Machmoed , February 15, 2012
Now that's rich. What do we need websites for? It's in the qur'an and that's what counts. Just ONE? you sound like those muslims who challenge others to find one error in the qur'an. When you provide them 2, they jump into denial and calls the other a liar. Haha hi
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
"Now that's rich. What do we need websites for?"
I completely agree. Why is Islam Watch here then?
"It's in the qur'an and that's what counts."
For muslims yes. For ex-muslims, it's time to move on........if you can that is.
You can take the monkey out of the jungle.......but you can't take the jungle out of the monkey ;-)
I completely agree. Why is Islam Watch here then?
"It's in the qur'an and that's what counts."
For muslims yes. For ex-muslims, it's time to move on........if you can that is.
You can take the monkey out of the jungle.......but you can't take the jungle out of the monkey ;-)
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
"All those nicey nice verses do not explain away 4:34 with the permission to beat or scourge wives"
So from 2:193, we move onto 4:34........
I tell you what Duh_Swami, here is a very small challenge for you. Small, considering you are convinved that Islam promotes wife-beating, scourging, domestic violence etc
Find me ONE.......just ONE Islamic website (out of potentially millions), which promotes violence against women, using verses from the Holy Qur#an and/or the Hadith.
Good luck.
Ps. I won't hold my breath.
Pps. What you are likely to find is ANTI Islamic websites (plenty of them) that promote violence against women.
So from 2:193, we move onto 4:34........
I tell you what Duh_Swami, here is a very small challenge for you. Small, considering you are convinved that Islam promotes wife-beating, scourging, domestic violence etc
Find me ONE.......just ONE Islamic website (out of potentially millions), which promotes violence against women, using verses from the Holy Qur#an and/or the Hadith.
Good luck.
Ps. I won't hold my breath.
Pps. What you are likely to find is ANTI Islamic websites (plenty of them) that promote violence against women.
written by duh_swami , February 15, 2012
I believe the Quran, not your web sites...Do I tell you to go to some web site to prove my point to you? Next you will be telling me to go to loonwatch for proof of something...You really don't know how to defend Islam do you? It's hard to defend abuse which Islam dishes out in heaps...But don't worry I will rehabilitate you as soon as you pay up...You don'y need to suffer any longer...
written by fineliving56 , February 15, 2012
> Your own logic goes against you...........
>
> You are using Hadith as evidence to verbally abuse someone. You consider the Hadith to be lies - therefore you are irrational and naive according to your own logic.
I'll let me son take care of this one. He's a philosopher.
Philosophy 101
If a person believes two concepts X and Y to be true, and X and Y contradict each other, then one of two cases is true. Either,
(1) the person doesn't realize that X and Y are contradictory, in which case we call this doublethink, or
(2) the person does realize that X and Y are contradictory, in which case we call this cognitive dissonance.
Now I'll apply this philosophy to a real situation. The person is you.
X is the idea that all Hadith is true.
Y is Sahih Muslim 41-14-1312 which states "The believer eats with one stomach and the infidels eat with seven stomachs."
Now I'm going to take a guess that you in fact do believe that Y is false.
And you've clearly stated that you believe X to be true.
And X and Y clearly contradict each other. So you are either experiencing (1) doublethink or (2) cognitive dissonance. I'm fairly sure that you are aware of the fact that X and Y contradict each other, therefore I believe that you are experiencing cognitive dissonance.
And to remind you, this means that you will deny Y.
But you may snap out of it. This post may have done it for you, in which case you will deny X. And if so, then I've won a small battle in the war to rid your mind of Islam.
>
> You are using Hadith as evidence to verbally abuse someone. You consider the Hadith to be lies - therefore you are irrational and naive according to your own logic.
I'll let me son take care of this one. He's a philosopher.
Philosophy 101
If a person believes two concepts X and Y to be true, and X and Y contradict each other, then one of two cases is true. Either,
(1) the person doesn't realize that X and Y are contradictory, in which case we call this doublethink, or
(2) the person does realize that X and Y are contradictory, in which case we call this cognitive dissonance.
Now I'll apply this philosophy to a real situation. The person is you.
X is the idea that all Hadith is true.
Y is Sahih Muslim 41-14-1312 which states "The believer eats with one stomach and the infidels eat with seven stomachs."
Now I'm going to take a guess that you in fact do believe that Y is false.
And you've clearly stated that you believe X to be true.
And X and Y clearly contradict each other. So you are either experiencing (1) doublethink or (2) cognitive dissonance. I'm fairly sure that you are aware of the fact that X and Y contradict each other, therefore I believe that you are experiencing cognitive dissonance.
And to remind you, this means that you will deny Y.
But you may snap out of it. This post may have done it for you, in which case you will deny X. And if so, then I've won a small battle in the war to rid your mind of Islam.
written by bundypig , February 15, 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWGA8i6scYY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJkmRBEOC3o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp3Eam5FX58
So it's no mystery that malman should post what a wonderful *religion* islam is, dupes and fairies...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJkmRBEOC3o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp3Eam5FX58
So it's no mystery that malman should post what a wonderful *religion* islam is, dupes and fairies...
written by Machmoed , February 16, 2012
I completely agree. Why is Islam Watch here then?
You're lost right? It's you who is referring to islamic websites. This is islam watch and most posters happen to believe islam and religion in general is manmade. What is your problem? If you can't take the heat get out. If i was on an islamic site, you would be right but not in this case. You have zero credebility and i guess you realize that now. Why don't you answer the question i asked you often. Do you believe hadith Qudsi to be divine....that's what most muslims (sunni sect) believe right?
See ya!
You're lost right? It's you who is referring to islamic websites. This is islam watch and most posters happen to believe islam and religion in general is manmade. What is your problem? If you can't take the heat get out. If i was on an islamic site, you would be right but not in this case. You have zero credebility and i guess you realize that now. Why don't you answer the question i asked you often. Do you believe hadith Qudsi to be divine....that's what most muslims (sunni sect) believe right?
See ya!
written by Muslim & Proud , February 16, 2012
"I believe the Quran, not your web sites..."
There you have it ladies and gentlemen. An Islam hater finally confesses.
ARCHPAGAN - What were you saying about failure?
Duh_Swami
You failed miserably to find any evidence - until you do:
ISLAM DOES NOT PROMOTE VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN
There you have it ladies and gentlemen. An Islam hater finally confesses.
ARCHPAGAN - What were you saying about failure?
Duh_Swami
You failed miserably to find any evidence - until you do:
ISLAM DOES NOT PROMOTE VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN
written by Muslim & Proud , February 16, 2012
Fineliving,
You son's grandson (50 years from now) finds an old diary in the cellar, which shows details about a crime that your current neighbour committed. Your sons grandson does not believe it to be factual, however, he starts making accusations.
This is referred to as sad and pathetic, irrespective of what philosophy you decide to use.
SAD AND PATHETIC
You son's grandson (50 years from now) finds an old diary in the cellar, which shows details about a crime that your current neighbour committed. Your sons grandson does not believe it to be factual, however, he starts making accusations.
This is referred to as sad and pathetic, irrespective of what philosophy you decide to use.
SAD AND PATHETIC
written by Muslim & Proud , February 16, 2012
"Do you believe hadith Qudsi to be divine....that's what most muslims (sunni sect) believe right?"
I believe ALL authentic Hadith to be divine Mr
I believe ALL authentic Hadith to be divine Mr
written by Muslim & Proud , February 16, 2012
"I believe the Quran, not your web sites..."
DUH_SWAMI
IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF GIVING YOU ENOUGH ROPE........AND HEY PRESTO, YOU DID IT
WELL DONE MY FRIEND
EVEN AS AN ISLAM HATER, YOU HAVE ADMITTED THAT YOU "BELIEVE"
ALL PRAISE TO ALLAH (THE EXALTED)
MILLIONS OF BLESSINGS UPON PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PEACE BE UPON HIM)
DUH_SWAMI
IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF GIVING YOU ENOUGH ROPE........AND HEY PRESTO, YOU DID IT
WELL DONE MY FRIEND
EVEN AS AN ISLAM HATER, YOU HAVE ADMITTED THAT YOU "BELIEVE"
ALL PRAISE TO ALLAH (THE EXALTED)
MILLIONS OF BLESSINGS UPON PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PEACE BE UPON HIM)
written by Machmoed , February 16, 2012
I believe ALL authentic Hadith to be divine Mr
Than you're indeed an apostate and kafir!
Divine hadith? Hahahah hahaha!
Even muslims would jump on you for making such an idiotic claim.
So to you Allah sent down not only the qur'an but also (divine) hadith? haha haha
You have tricked yourself. Morons always do!
Authentic..please provide evidence wich hadith are authentic.
You have prooved yourself to be a MORON. I guess Allah loves morons since you do the talking for Him and did not strike you yet because of your ignorance about islam. Watch out for the eternal furnace moron.
Than you're indeed an apostate and kafir!
Divine hadith? Hahahah hahaha!
Even muslims would jump on you for making such an idiotic claim.
So to you Allah sent down not only the qur'an but also (divine) hadith? haha haha
You have tricked yourself. Morons always do!
Authentic..please provide evidence wich hadith are authentic.
You have prooved yourself to be a MORON. I guess Allah loves morons since you do the talking for Him and did not strike you yet because of your ignorance about islam. Watch out for the eternal furnace moron.
written by duh_swami , February 16, 2012
DUH_SWAMI BELIEVES THE HOLY QUR'AN
written by Muslim & Proud
I didn't say what there was about it I believe idiot boy...I believe in the existence of it's lies, it's distortions, it's brutality, and it's evil ...I believe in Quran in the same way I believe in fire to burn my hand...I believe in it's ability to turn brains into mush...That's how I believe in the Quran...You are funny...and an idiot...
written by Muslim & Proud
I didn't say what there was about it I believe idiot boy...I believe in the existence of it's lies, it's distortions, it's brutality, and it's evil ...I believe in Quran in the same way I believe in fire to burn my hand...I believe in it's ability to turn brains into mush...That's how I believe in the Quran...You are funny...and an idiot...
written by Muslim and proud , February 16, 2012
Mr Liar,
Please lookup 'unrecited revelations'. You will not find these details on Islam hater websites.
It just goes to show how very little you knew about Islam in the first place.
Please lookup 'unrecited revelations'. You will not find these details on Islam hater websites.
It just goes to show how very little you knew about Islam in the first place.
written by fineliving56 , February 16, 2012
Quran, that said to beat women when disobeyed 4/34, should be gathered around and dug a hole in the dirt and buried deep where sun does NOT shine .
The sun is too good for it …..the filth in the despised quran that caused pain and sorrow for millions of Muslim women who were born to it, innocent, but branded and labeled half brained,second rate,najas, replaceable , stacked on …etc…etc...
Too bad for Muslim men Quran is dead wrong…. we are NOT second rate , we are better then that, we do count, we are the base of this world have been built on …
we never have been the head but we are the NICK …
Muhammad was too stupid to realize that …the sick idiot, gave him self all the women ...all 13 or 21 [ who is counting] wives he marries and all the women serfs he desired to have one nightstands with ….but he had no clue what women wants and needs … he thought by ordering the beating of there bodies, he will silence the soul that holds love … what a moron of a Man … even Ayshia laughed at his absurdness and A WOMEN poisoned him to death with no help coming from his impotent Allah … I have no sympathy for him … he caused such heartache and he still does …..HE STILL DOES …..
He had no clue indeed just all Muslim man ….
MY old copy of Quran,is already buried in the back yard… the rest will fallow ….dirt to dirt
The sun is too good for it …..the filth in the despised quran that caused pain and sorrow for millions of Muslim women who were born to it, innocent, but branded and labeled half brained,second rate,najas, replaceable , stacked on …etc…etc...
Too bad for Muslim men Quran is dead wrong…. we are NOT second rate , we are better then that, we do count, we are the base of this world have been built on …
we never have been the head but we are the NICK …
Muhammad was too stupid to realize that …the sick idiot, gave him self all the women ...all 13 or 21 [ who is counting] wives he marries and all the women serfs he desired to have one nightstands with ….but he had no clue what women wants and needs … he thought by ordering the beating of there bodies, he will silence the soul that holds love … what a moron of a Man … even Ayshia laughed at his absurdness and A WOMEN poisoned him to death with no help coming from his impotent Allah … I have no sympathy for him … he caused such heartache and he still does …..HE STILL DOES …..
He had no clue indeed just all Muslim man ….
MY old copy of Quran,is already buried in the back yard… the rest will fallow ….dirt to dirt
written by Muslim and proud , February 16, 2012
"Quran, that said to beat women when disobeyed 4/34, should be gathered around and dug a hole in the dirt and buried deep where sun does NOT shine"
Negative
This is what ex-Muslims say.
Negative
This is what ex-Muslims say.
written by Muslim and proud , February 16, 2012
"Muhammad was too stupid to realize that …the sick idiot, gave him self all the women ...all 13 or 21 [ who is counting] wives he marries and all the women serfs he desired to have one nightstands with ….but he had no clue what women wants and needs … he thought by ordering the beating of there bodies, he will silence the soul that holds love … what a moron of a Man … even Ayshia laughed at his absurdness and A WOMEN poisoned him to death with no help coming from his impotent Allah … I have no sympathy for him … he caused such heartache and he still does …..HE STILL DOES ….."
Your brothers have already told you that not a single Hadith can be trusted.
Your brothers have already told you that not a single Hadith can be trusted.
written by Muslim and proud , February 16, 2012
".I believe in the existence of it's lies"
Therefore it is a lie that Muslims should go around killing people
It is also a lie that men have the right to beat their wife
Good man
Therefore it is a lie that Muslims should go around killing people
It is also a lie that men have the right to beat their wife
Good man
written by fineliving56 , February 16, 2012
Arabic * Idrubohoonah* = English *beat* … not embrace …. not feathered touch ….
beat, but not on the face according to imams, limited to 10 strikes on the hands …on the chest … on the thighs …on the back …
after all, if the face was marked with a punch on the face , the man can NOT be excepted to get up hard enough to still LOOK at his wife in the face when he forces her to have sex with him after the beating :-(
the man have eyes after all ….
that make sense ….
finally a *Muslim man imam* makes sense ….
beat, but not on the face according to imams, limited to 10 strikes on the hands …on the chest … on the thighs …on the back …
after all, if the face was marked with a punch on the face , the man can NOT be excepted to get up hard enough to still LOOK at his wife in the face when he forces her to have sex with him after the beating :-(
the man have eyes after all ….
that make sense ….
finally a *Muslim man imam* makes sense ….
written by Muslim & Proud , February 16, 2012
Hadith,
Words of wisdom
"The best among you are those who are best in character and the best in character are those who are best to their wives."
Ex-muslims and Islam haters focus on 4:34, whilst the muslim world, like any other culture, marries and seeks to maintain a good relationship.
You're pathetic.
Duh failed to find any single Islamic website which promotes violence against women - maybe you can try.......goodluck.
Only Islam haters like you twist the words to portray a negative image.
Words of wisdom
"The best among you are those who are best in character and the best in character are those who are best to their wives."
Ex-muslims and Islam haters focus on 4:34, whilst the muslim world, like any other culture, marries and seeks to maintain a good relationship.
You're pathetic.
Duh failed to find any single Islamic website which promotes violence against women - maybe you can try.......goodluck.
Only Islam haters like you twist the words to portray a negative image.
written by duh_swami , February 16, 2012
Duh failed to find any single Islamic website which promotes violence against women - maybe you can try.......goodluck.
What a huge liar you are you little punk...I'm going to talk to Allah and see if he will sent Ibliss with a big stick to 'reason' with your sorry azz...Or a bar of soap to wash your lying mouth out with...I thought you had a job? Did you get fired? Did your managers get tired of looking at you? Who's paying your bills leach? Your mom?
What a huge liar you are you little punk...I'm going to talk to Allah and see if he will sent Ibliss with a big stick to 'reason' with your sorry azz...Or a bar of soap to wash your lying mouth out with...I thought you had a job? Did you get fired? Did your managers get tired of looking at you? Who's paying your bills leach? Your mom?
written by Muslim & Proud , February 16, 2012
"Huge liar - little punk?"
So where is the evidence Duh?
ONE website was all I asked for....................and you ended up
Connfessing to
BELIEVING THE HOLY QUR'AN.........
So where is the ONE website which promotes violence against women, using the Holy Qur'an or Hadith to justify their violence.
Good luck
So where is the evidence Duh?
ONE website was all I asked for....................and you ended up
Connfessing to
BELIEVING THE HOLY QUR'AN.........
So where is the ONE website which promotes violence against women, using the Holy Qur'an or Hadith to justify their violence.
Good luck
written by Gnostic , February 16, 2012
i am absolutely sure taht there are many sites. You must only look at the fatwa guys. If somebody ask him about wifebeating he will certainly say that it is allowed. Maybe he will turn around much like you and others, but he has no choice but to release the fatwa that Allah knows best and that wife beating belongs to islam like ham to a burger.
And there is more. Women inherit only half the amount of a male and they have only half the vote at court and many muslims do not send their daughters to school because they prefer to sell them into a forced marriage with a pervert. All this is possible under sharia law in many muslim countries and no muslim ever mock about it. Even high ranked politicians sometimes marry children under the age of 13 or so and say that there is no birth certificate.
Ah, and arent you quoting so often from Hadith? So, according to one of them of highest authenticity it was Muhammad (PBUH? What for?) who married a child at the age of 6 and had sex wiuth her at 9. Right?
Things like this happen every day in muslim countries.
And there is more. Women inherit only half the amount of a male and they have only half the vote at court and many muslims do not send their daughters to school because they prefer to sell them into a forced marriage with a pervert. All this is possible under sharia law in many muslim countries and no muslim ever mock about it. Even high ranked politicians sometimes marry children under the age of 13 or so and say that there is no birth certificate.
Ah, and arent you quoting so often from Hadith? So, according to one of them of highest authenticity it was Muhammad (PBUH? What for?) who married a child at the age of 6 and had sex wiuth her at 9. Right?
Things like this happen every day in muslim countries.
written by duh_swami , February 16, 2012
False accusations will only get you into hell where you deserve to reside...I'm sick of you little freak...
written by Muslim & Proud , February 16, 2012
http://www.independent.co.uk/n...58015.html
Interesting article......
"Another finding revealed by the Leicester study was that despite Western portraits of Islam casting it as oppressive to women, a quarter of female converts were attracted to the religion precisely because of thestatus it affords them."
Pay attention here Gnostic: WESTERN PORTRAITS.........
Duh - this one is for you as well.......hope you like it my friend.
Respect goes out to the women who took the step from darkness into light - Praise be to allah (the exalted)
Interesting article......
"Another finding revealed by the Leicester study was that despite Western portraits of Islam casting it as oppressive to women, a quarter of female converts were attracted to the religion precisely because of thestatus it affords them."
Pay attention here Gnostic: WESTERN PORTRAITS.........
Duh - this one is for you as well.......hope you like it my friend.
Respect goes out to the women who took the step from darkness into light - Praise be to allah (the exalted)
written by Gnostic , February 16, 2012
You know better than I that not only the quran but also Hadith and the behaviour of Muhammad are of great influence. It is written in the quran that muslims should get their people maried 8sorry, dont have the quote at hand, but there is a aya concerning marriage in a sense to make people marry, probably the children). Many muslims take this as an invitation tp arrange forced marriages, very often with relatives which is very common in the islamic world. This is also allowed by islamic scriptures and inbreeding is very, very common in the islamic world resulting in a very high rate of genetical disorders such as hydrocephalus, sicle cell anemia and many more. Of course inbreeding in the islamic world is also closely related to the dowry, inheritance laws, veiling and other practices that make it difficult to find a partner outside the clan.
And common or not or 1400 years ago or not I think there was no need at all for Muhammad to have sex with a 9 year old girl. (when he was around 50 or so). Many muslims are accepting it even today BECAUSE Muhammad did it according to the hadith.
Your argumentation does not make sense. Sometimes you refer to the hadith and then you want to show a single word in the quran that allows this and that.
There are so many things no civilised human can accept such as religious apartheid with poll tax (exercise mafia-like pressure or even violence on them until they pay), sexual apartheid.
Maybe there are some liberal words in the quran as well and many muslims refer to them when useful; but they also refer to other arts of the texts in order to use violence. People can read what they want in the quran and this makes it so dangerous. Even mocking or laughing about islam may be enough for a death sentence.
The quran is the most useful weapon in the hands of tyrants and thugs. It allows to kill anybody for anything. And thats why there are always so many tyrants. Its the muslim world that did not sign the human rights treaties because there are so many islamic ifs and whens. It is the same with religious freedom. In islam thiis alway means in accordance with islamic law. But there is already no more freedom if there are so many limitations.
No, islam never provides freedom or human rights. It is always only limiting it. Almost everywhere.
And common or not or 1400 years ago or not I think there was no need at all for Muhammad to have sex with a 9 year old girl. (when he was around 50 or so). Many muslims are accepting it even today BECAUSE Muhammad did it according to the hadith.
Your argumentation does not make sense. Sometimes you refer to the hadith and then you want to show a single word in the quran that allows this and that.
There are so many things no civilised human can accept such as religious apartheid with poll tax (exercise mafia-like pressure or even violence on them until they pay), sexual apartheid.
Maybe there are some liberal words in the quran as well and many muslims refer to them when useful; but they also refer to other arts of the texts in order to use violence. People can read what they want in the quran and this makes it so dangerous. Even mocking or laughing about islam may be enough for a death sentence.
The quran is the most useful weapon in the hands of tyrants and thugs. It allows to kill anybody for anything. And thats why there are always so many tyrants. Its the muslim world that did not sign the human rights treaties because there are so many islamic ifs and whens. It is the same with religious freedom. In islam thiis alway means in accordance with islamic law. But there is already no more freedom if there are so many limitations.
No, islam never provides freedom or human rights. It is always only limiting it. Almost everywhere.
written by lw1 , February 16, 2012
4.11 God instructs you concerning your children [i.e. their portions of inheritance]: for the male, what is equal to the share of two females ...........
The daughter gets less than the son by Allah's decree. The inheritance from a husband is a separate issue.
The daughter gets less than the son by Allah's decree. The inheritance from a husband is a separate issue.
written by Muslim and proud , February 16, 2012
I'll come back to you - need to pray my friend.
I pride to respond - you have raised some important points.
I pride to respond - you have raised some important points.
written by Editor, MA Khan , February 16, 2012
M & P,
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written by lw1 , February 16, 2012
The Pope Benedict 16th quoted Emperor Manuel 2nd Palaiologos, ' In the seventh conversation .....the emperor touches on the theme of the holy war. Without descending to details, such as the difference in treatment accorded to those who have the 'Bok' and the 'infidels', he addresses his interlocutor with a startling brusqueness on the central question about the relationship between religion and violence in general, saying : 'Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by sword the faith he preached'.
written by Muslim & Proud , February 16, 2012
"It is written in the quran that muslims should get their people maried 8sorry, dont have the quote at hand, but there is a aya concerning marriage in a sense to make people marry, probably the children)."
Marriage is half of Imaan and is Sunnah - how else can a muslim, or any person for that matter enjoy the relationship that is built with your partner, as well the the blessings of children?
Force does not come into it. There is absolutely no verse in the Holy Qur'an or any Hadith which makes it obligatory for a muslim to marry.
"Many muslims take this as an invitation tp arrange forced marriages, very often with relatives which is very common in the islamic world."
Customs will allow 200 cigs per person if arriving from outside the UK. If people abuse this and bring 2000, who is at fault? Customs of the one abusing the law? This is basic stuff Gnostic (with all due respect).
Muslims are indeed at fault - anyone who denies that is just being silly. Islam provides the law, each and every muslim is accountable for his/her actions - no different to any law in essence.
"And common or not or 1400 years ago or not I think there was no need at all for Muhammad to have sex with a 9 year old girl. (when he was around 50 or so). Many muslims are accepting it even today BECAUSE Muhammad did it according to the hadith"
There is a fundamental requirement for any muslim to emulate this in this day and age: The parents permission is vital. Do you know any parent who would be willing to do this? I know I wouldn't - but that does not mean to say that I would in any way be going against Islam / Sunnah. Islam gives me the right as a parent.
Then there is the wisdom.
If 50 non-muslims and 50 muslims were the only people left on the earth and all of the women were not of a suitable age for marriage, then Islam gives the muslims a way out (with conditions in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS). The non-muslims would have to go against their own principles to try and prevent extinction.
In an era where marriage to young girls was very common, how could converts to Islam (who were ready to marry young girls due to the custom) accept Islam if this was not part of the Sunnah AT THAT TIME?
Last but by no means least, a muslim male can absolutely emulate the marriage to Aisha (ra), WITHOUT MARRYING A GIRL OF 6. How?
1 - Have an arranged marriage
2 - Obtain the permission of the girls parents
3 - Marry according to the Shariah (i.e. Nikah etc)
Age does not even have to come into it..........it's only the non-muslims who focus on the age. The 3 rules above were applied 1400 years ago and can also be applied in 1400 years time (or in 14000 years time)
I'm going to stop there as I am concious it's a long post - there is a lot more to say on this topic, I can assure you.
Marriage is half of Imaan and is Sunnah - how else can a muslim, or any person for that matter enjoy the relationship that is built with your partner, as well the the blessings of children?
Force does not come into it. There is absolutely no verse in the Holy Qur'an or any Hadith which makes it obligatory for a muslim to marry.
"Many muslims take this as an invitation tp arrange forced marriages, very often with relatives which is very common in the islamic world."
Customs will allow 200 cigs per person if arriving from outside the UK. If people abuse this and bring 2000, who is at fault? Customs of the one abusing the law? This is basic stuff Gnostic (with all due respect).
Muslims are indeed at fault - anyone who denies that is just being silly. Islam provides the law, each and every muslim is accountable for his/her actions - no different to any law in essence.
"And common or not or 1400 years ago or not I think there was no need at all for Muhammad to have sex with a 9 year old girl. (when he was around 50 or so). Many muslims are accepting it even today BECAUSE Muhammad did it according to the hadith"
There is a fundamental requirement for any muslim to emulate this in this day and age: The parents permission is vital. Do you know any parent who would be willing to do this? I know I wouldn't - but that does not mean to say that I would in any way be going against Islam / Sunnah. Islam gives me the right as a parent.
Then there is the wisdom.
If 50 non-muslims and 50 muslims were the only people left on the earth and all of the women were not of a suitable age for marriage, then Islam gives the muslims a way out (with conditions in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS). The non-muslims would have to go against their own principles to try and prevent extinction.
In an era where marriage to young girls was very common, how could converts to Islam (who were ready to marry young girls due to the custom) accept Islam if this was not part of the Sunnah AT THAT TIME?
Last but by no means least, a muslim male can absolutely emulate the marriage to Aisha (ra), WITHOUT MARRYING A GIRL OF 6. How?
1 - Have an arranged marriage
2 - Obtain the permission of the girls parents
3 - Marry according to the Shariah (i.e. Nikah etc)
Age does not even have to come into it..........it's only the non-muslims who focus on the age. The 3 rules above were applied 1400 years ago and can also be applied in 1400 years time (or in 14000 years time)
I'm going to stop there as I am concious it's a long post - there is a lot more to say on this topic, I can assure you.
written by duh_swami , February 16, 2012
I'm going to stop there as I am concious it's a long post - there is a lot more to say on this topic, I can assure you.
Yeah and it's all crap like the porno you just wrote...
Yeah and it's all crap like the porno you just wrote...
written by Muslim and proud , February 16, 2012
Duh
It was for Gnostic. I am confident he is more likely to understand it my friend.
It was for Gnostic. I am confident he is more likely to understand it my friend.
written by duh_swami , February 16, 2012
Gnostic know porno when he see's if freak, youqare fooling no one...You should be shunned for being a freak, no one should respond to you any further, because you are a lying annoying troll...Get lost...Your going on ignore...
written by Muslim & Proud , February 16, 2012
"no one should respond to you any further, because you are a lying annoying troll...Get lost...Your going on ignore..."
Are you not going to be my friend anymore Duh?
Ignore?
Come on Duh - this is the type of behaviours from losers.
Actually - guess what...............you lost.............my friend..........
Especially when you said:
I BELIEVE THE QURAN
You are a cool guy Duh
Are you not going to be my friend anymore Duh?
Ignore?
Come on Duh - this is the type of behaviours from losers.
Actually - guess what...............you lost.............my friend..........
Especially when you said:
I BELIEVE THE QURAN
You are a cool guy Duh
written by then lie , February 17, 2012
Surah 71. Nuh
1. Lo! We sent Noah unto his people (saying): Warn thy people ere the painful doom come unto them.
2. He said: O my people! Lo! I am a plain warner unto you
3. (Bidding you): Serve Allah and keep your duty unto Him and obey me,
4. That He may forgive you somewhat of your sins and respite you to an appointed term. Lo! the term of Allah, when
it cometh, cannot be delayed, if ye but knew.
5. He said: My Lord! Lo! I have called unto my people night and day
6. But all my calling doth but add to their repugnance;
7. And lo ! whenever I call unto them that Thou mayest pardon them they thrust their fingers in their ears and cover
themselves with their garments and persist (in their refusal) and magnify themselves in pride.
8. And lo! I have called unto them aloud,
9. And lo! I have made public proclamation unto them, and I have appealed to them in private.
10. And I have said: Seek pardon of your Lord Lo! He was ever Forgiving.
11. He will let loose the sky for you in plenteous rain,
12. And will help you with wealth and sons, and will assign unto you Gardens and will assign unto you rivers.
13. What aileth you that ye hope not toward Allah for dignity
14. When He created you by (divers) stages?
15. See ye not how Allah hath created seven heavens in harmony,
16. And hath made the moon a light therein, and made the sun a lamp?
17. And Allah hath caused you to grow as a growth from the earth,
18. And afterward He maketh you return thereto, and He will bring you forth again, a (new) forthbringing.
19. And Allah hath made the earth a wide expanse for you
20. That ye may thread the valley ways thereof.
190
21. Noah said: My Lord! they have disobeyed me and followed one whose wealth and children increase him in naught
save ruin;
22. And they have plotted a mighty plot,
23. And they have said: Forsake not your gods. Forsake not Wadd, nor Suwa, nor Yaghuth and Yauq and Nasr.
24. And they have led many astray, and Thou increasest the wrong doers in naught save error.
25. Because of their sins they were drowned, then made to enter a Fire. And they found they had no helpers in place
of Allah.
26. And Noah said: My Lord! Leave not one of the disbelievers in the land.
27. If Thou shouldst leave them, they will mislead Thy slaves and will beget none save lewd ingrates.
28. My Lord! Forgive me and my parents and him who entereth my house believing, and believing men and believing
women, and increase not the wrong doers in aught save ruin.
1. Lo! We sent Noah unto his people (saying): Warn thy people ere the painful doom come unto them.
2. He said: O my people! Lo! I am a plain warner unto you
3. (Bidding you): Serve Allah and keep your duty unto Him and obey me,
4. That He may forgive you somewhat of your sins and respite you to an appointed term. Lo! the term of Allah, when
it cometh, cannot be delayed, if ye but knew.
5. He said: My Lord! Lo! I have called unto my people night and day
6. But all my calling doth but add to their repugnance;
7. And lo ! whenever I call unto them that Thou mayest pardon them they thrust their fingers in their ears and cover
themselves with their garments and persist (in their refusal) and magnify themselves in pride.
8. And lo! I have called unto them aloud,
9. And lo! I have made public proclamation unto them, and I have appealed to them in private.
10. And I have said: Seek pardon of your Lord Lo! He was ever Forgiving.
11. He will let loose the sky for you in plenteous rain,
12. And will help you with wealth and sons, and will assign unto you Gardens and will assign unto you rivers.
13. What aileth you that ye hope not toward Allah for dignity
14. When He created you by (divers) stages?
15. See ye not how Allah hath created seven heavens in harmony,
16. And hath made the moon a light therein, and made the sun a lamp?
17. And Allah hath caused you to grow as a growth from the earth,
18. And afterward He maketh you return thereto, and He will bring you forth again, a (new) forthbringing.
19. And Allah hath made the earth a wide expanse for you
20. That ye may thread the valley ways thereof.
190
21. Noah said: My Lord! they have disobeyed me and followed one whose wealth and children increase him in naught
save ruin;
22. And they have plotted a mighty plot,
23. And they have said: Forsake not your gods. Forsake not Wadd, nor Suwa, nor Yaghuth and Yauq and Nasr.
24. And they have led many astray, and Thou increasest the wrong doers in naught save error.
25. Because of their sins they were drowned, then made to enter a Fire. And they found they had no helpers in place
of Allah.
26. And Noah said: My Lord! Leave not one of the disbelievers in the land.
27. If Thou shouldst leave them, they will mislead Thy slaves and will beget none save lewd ingrates.
28. My Lord! Forgive me and my parents and him who entereth my house believing, and believing men and believing
women, and increase not the wrong doers in aught save ruin.
written by duh_swami , February 17, 2012
And Allah called out 'Noah'...but Noah didn't hear him, so Allah called out again, 'Noah'...but Noah still didn't hear him, so Allah called out one more time 'NOAH!!!!!'...and Noah said, 'Who's that'? And Allah said, 'It is I, Allah Noah'...Noah responded, 'Allah'? 'Do you have an appointment'? Allah said, 'Noah, I want you to build an ark'...Noah asked 'What's and ark'? Allah informed Noah that it was a big boat...Noah asked, 'What do you want a big boat for'? Allah told him, "I'm planning on flooding the world in about 70 years, you are such a great guy, I want you to save your family and two of every animal type thing'...'I will send you down the plans and how many cubits to build it'...Noah was startled, so he said, 'OK Allah, just two questions, what is a cubit, and how am I going to gather all these animals'? Allah said, 'The cubits will be listed on the schematics'...'You don't have to go out and round up any elephants or rhino's, they will come to you'. 'Just remember not to put the dogs in with the chickens'...
'This sounds like a long term full time job, how much does it pay', asked Noah? To which Allah asked, 'What is 'pay'? ' I will supply the materials, you will supply the labor'...'I will feed you mana for your pay'...So the ark was built, there was a flood, and you know the rest of the story, or part of it anyway...The rest of the story...After the flood, Noah took his big pile of mana to the supermarket, but they wouldn't accept it for beer and cigarettes...
Noah got riped off...
'This sounds like a long term full time job, how much does it pay', asked Noah? To which Allah asked, 'What is 'pay'? ' I will supply the materials, you will supply the labor'...'I will feed you mana for your pay'...So the ark was built, there was a flood, and you know the rest of the story, or part of it anyway...The rest of the story...After the flood, Noah took his big pile of mana to the supermarket, but they wouldn't accept it for beer and cigarettes...
Noah got riped off...
written by Gnostic , February 17, 2012
The story of Noah is a very good example to show how the quran is imitating the judeo-christian tradition with only few variations.
Thus, the quran is absouletely not unimitable. It imitates other, longer existing scriptures by itself.
Thus, the quran is absouletely not unimitable. It imitates other, longer existing scriptures by itself.
written by Muslim & Proud , February 17, 2012
"The story of Noah is a very good example to show how the quran is imitating the judeo-christian tradition with only few variations.
Thus, the quran is absouletely not unimitable. It imitates other, longer existing scriptures by itself."
Thank you for proving that the Holy Qur'an is consistent with the Injeel (Bible)....
You might be forgetting that muslims believe in the Bible (Old Testament).....
Nice one.
Thus, the quran is absouletely not unimitable. It imitates other, longer existing scriptures by itself."
Thank you for proving that the Holy Qur'an is consistent with the Injeel (Bible)....
You might be forgetting that muslims believe in the Bible (Old Testament).....
Nice one.
written by Gnostic , February 17, 2012
Yes, muslims draw quotes from the bible with all its rerrors (there is no arkh that can keep thousands of animals including millions of insectsm birds and everything. It is nothing but nonsense and islam teaches this to be true. But here are also additional errors in the quran:
71.19. And Allah hath made the earth a wide expanse for you (see above: it means spread out like a carpet, suggesting that the earth is flat.
71.19. And Allah hath made the earth a wide expanse for you (see above: it means spread out like a carpet, suggesting that the earth is flat.
written by Guy Macher , February 17, 2012
The attempts at argument by Muslims is really funny. They have no idea of major-minor premise, conclusion structure of thinking. The comment about ex-Muslims using lies to prove the truth of their arguments, is sheer irrationality and the Muslim who posted that has no idea why.
written by Fineliving56's son , February 17, 2012
"You son's grandson (50 years from now) finds an old diary in the cellar, which shows details about a crime that your current neighbour committed. Your sons grandson does not believe it to be factual, however, he starts making accusations. This is referred to as sad and pathetic, irrespective of what philosophy you decide to use. SAD AND PATHETIC"
Note that you made an assertion without explanation. This makes it hard to understand.
Going forward, I request that you follow all your assertions with explanations so that I don't have to ask you for your explanation.
So..
Why is it sad and pathetic to start making accusations in the hypothetical situations you're speaking of?
Note that you made an assertion without explanation. This makes it hard to understand.
Going forward, I request that you follow all your assertions with explanations so that I don't have to ask you for your explanation.
So..
Why is it sad and pathetic to start making accusations in the hypothetical situations you're speaking of?
written by Fineliving56's son , February 17, 2012
You said: "Hadith - Words of wisdom - The best among you are those who are best in character and the best in character are those who are best to their wives."
Do you think these are *words of wisdom*?
Hadith - Sahih Muslim Book 009, Number 3526: "…So I informed him [Muhammad]. (By that time) Mu'awiya, Abu Jahm and Usama b. Zaid had given her the proposal of marriage. Allah's Messenger said: So far as Mu'awiya is concerned, he is a poor man without any property. So far as Abu Jahm is concerned, he is a _great beater of women_, but Usama b. Zaid... She pointed with her hand (that she did not approve of the idea of marrying) Usama. But Allah's Messenger said: Obedience to Allah and obedience to His Messenger is better for thee. She said: So I married him, and I became an object of envy."
Note the underlined part: Great beater of women.
Why is it that Mohamed said words of wisdom and then said words of ignorance?
Its because he was just a regular guy of 7th century Arabia. No more. No less.
So why do you believe that Allah exists?
Do you think these are *words of wisdom*?
Hadith - Sahih Muslim Book 009, Number 3526: "…So I informed him [Muhammad]. (By that time) Mu'awiya, Abu Jahm and Usama b. Zaid had given her the proposal of marriage. Allah's Messenger said: So far as Mu'awiya is concerned, he is a poor man without any property. So far as Abu Jahm is concerned, he is a _great beater of women_, but Usama b. Zaid... She pointed with her hand (that she did not approve of the idea of marrying) Usama. But Allah's Messenger said: Obedience to Allah and obedience to His Messenger is better for thee. She said: So I married him, and I became an object of envy."
Note the underlined part: Great beater of women.
Why is it that Mohamed said words of wisdom and then said words of ignorance?
Its because he was just a regular guy of 7th century Arabia. No more. No less.
So why do you believe that Allah exists?
written by Fineliving56's son , February 17, 2012
"For muslims yes. For ex-muslims, it's time to move on........if you can that is."
I'll move on when you've explained to me why you believe Allah exists.
So come on. Let me move on.
I'll move on when you've explained to me why you believe Allah exists.
So come on. Let me move on.
written by Fineliving56's son , February 17, 2012
"I believe ALL authentic Hadith to be divine Mr"
And which Hadith is authentic?
Is all the stuff in Sahih Muslim authentic?
And which Hadith is authentic?
Is all the stuff in Sahih Muslim authentic?
written by Machmoed , February 18, 2012
you wrote: You might be forgetting that muslims believe in the Bible (Old Testament).....
....to be corrupted.
Your sentence wasn't complete Moron, but i know you tried to fool people by lies as usual. Emulating your prophet?
....to be corrupted.
Your sentence wasn't complete Moron, but i know you tried to fool people by lies as usual. Emulating your prophet?
written by Machmoed , February 18, 2012
Please lookup 'unrecited revelations'. You will not find these details on Islam hater websites.
Ah i see, unrecited revelations. In arabic it is called hadith Qudsi. Show me from the qur'an (wich you believe it is the word of Allah) that there are other revelations from Allah outside the qur'an my moronic friend. You're adding revelation without Allah ever revelated them, that's pathetic. Allah will forgive you cause you're a moron, so don't be afraid.
Ah i see, unrecited revelations. In arabic it is called hadith Qudsi. Show me from the qur'an (wich you believe it is the word of Allah) that there are other revelations from Allah outside the qur'an my moronic friend. You're adding revelation without Allah ever revelated them, that's pathetic. Allah will forgive you cause you're a moron, so don't be afraid.
written by Muslim & Proud , February 18, 2012
"Show me from the qur'an (wich you believe it is the word of Allah) that there are other revelations from Allah outside the qur'an my moronic friend."
Here is ONE example...........my friend.
(66:3) The Prophet confided something to one of his wives and then she disclosed it (to another); so after Allah revealed to the Prophet (that she had disclosed that secret), he made a part of it known to her and passed over a part of it. And when he told her about this (i.e., that she had disclosed the secret entrusted to her), she asked: “Who informed you of this?” He said: “I was told of it by He Who is All-Knowing, All-Aware.”
This verse specifically says: So AFTER Allah (the exalted) revealed to the Prophet (peace be upon him), that she had disclosed the secret.......
Nowhere in the Holy Quran has it been revealed that Allah (the exalted) informed Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) that his wife had disclosed the secret.
Ps. Verse 66:3 is just one example - of many.
Here is ONE example...........my friend.
(66:3) The Prophet confided something to one of his wives and then she disclosed it (to another); so after Allah revealed to the Prophet (that she had disclosed that secret), he made a part of it known to her and passed over a part of it. And when he told her about this (i.e., that she had disclosed the secret entrusted to her), she asked: “Who informed you of this?” He said: “I was told of it by He Who is All-Knowing, All-Aware.”
This verse specifically says: So AFTER Allah (the exalted) revealed to the Prophet (peace be upon him), that she had disclosed the secret.......
Nowhere in the Holy Quran has it been revealed that Allah (the exalted) informed Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) that his wife had disclosed the secret.
Ps. Verse 66:3 is just one example - of many.
written by duh_swami , February 18, 2012
Following Islam is like following Alice on a mushroom trip to Wonderland...With the 'Mad Hatter' as Mohammad, and the Red Queen as Allah...'Off with their heads', and 'I love executions in the morning', are her versions of Allahu Akbar...Our local Muslims need to get out to the movies more often, a solitary life in moms basement just leads to more mental confusion...
written by Machmoed , February 18, 2012
It's a secret because it was only konwn to Muhammad and not supposed to everybody. Since nobody knows what the secret was this is not about the qur'an. The qur'an my moronic friend tells us that it is complete and perfect. The original resides with Allah and it is the same as the one was revealed to Muhammad. What a kafir you are! Why not join us since you are an apostate believing your own version of islam.
written by Fineliving56's son , February 18, 2012
Wait wait wait
Machmoed said: "It's a secret because it was only konwn to Muhammad and not supposed to everybody. Since nobody knows what the secret was this is not about the qur'an. The qur'an my moronic friend tells us that it is complete and perfect. The original resides with Allah and it is the same as the one was revealed to Muhammad. What a kafir you are! Why not join us since you are an apostate believing your own version of islam."
This means that you believe that Muslim&Proud believes that the original Quran [in Allah's hands] is different than the Quran of today. Did I understand that correctly?
Muslim&Proud. Please state your position. Do you believe that the Quran of today is different than the Quran with Allah?
Machmoed said: "It's a secret because it was only konwn to Muhammad and not supposed to everybody. Since nobody knows what the secret was this is not about the qur'an. The qur'an my moronic friend tells us that it is complete and perfect. The original resides with Allah and it is the same as the one was revealed to Muhammad. What a kafir you are! Why not join us since you are an apostate believing your own version of islam."
This means that you believe that Muslim&Proud believes that the original Quran [in Allah's hands] is different than the Quran of today. Did I understand that correctly?
Muslim&Proud. Please state your position. Do you believe that the Quran of today is different than the Quran with Allah?
written by duh_swami , February 18, 2012
No one knows what Allah's Quran says or what kind of porno pictures are in it...Anyone who says he knows what is in Allah's Quran is a liar...If he wanted you to know that, he would have a web site...
written by Muslim & Proud , February 18, 2012
Duh
"Following Islam is like following Alice on a mushroom trip to Wonderland..."
As an Islamophobe.......why are you even bothering my friend......Duh. You are a cool guy Duh.....
Son: "Do you believe that the Quran of today is different than the Quran with Allah?"
Dad: I believe the Holy Qur'an is complete and is the same Holy Qur'an that was revealed c1400 years ago.
I hope that clarifies the positon son.
"Following Islam is like following Alice on a mushroom trip to Wonderland..."
As an Islamophobe.......why are you even bothering my friend......Duh. You are a cool guy Duh.....
Son: "Do you believe that the Quran of today is different than the Quran with Allah?"
Dad: I believe the Holy Qur'an is complete and is the same Holy Qur'an that was revealed c1400 years ago.
I hope that clarifies the positon son.
written by duh_swami , February 18, 2012
As an Islamophobe.......why are you even bothering my friend
I have to keep up my membership in the Fraternity of Islamophobes or I will lose my beer benefits...and I don't think I am your friend...I don't have any evil encrusted demons as friends...
I have to keep up my membership in the Fraternity of Islamophobes or I will lose my beer benefits...and I don't think I am your friend...I don't have any evil encrusted demons as friends...
written by Yibel , February 18, 2012
The UNholy Qur'an is NOT consistent with the Injeel (Bible)....
The Qur'anic version of the story of Noah and the Flood was entirely invented by
Muhammad. None of this conversation is recorded in the Bible, scriptures that were
written more than a thousand years before the Qur'an.
Duh-swami's version of the mythical conversation is far more plausible than Muhammad's concoction, and a lot more entertaining!!! LOL. Thanks, duh!
Wadd (moon/love god), Suwa, Yaghuth, Yauq and Nasr (ayat 23) were local Arabian pagan gods. It is more than HIGHLY UNLIKELY that these gods existed during Noah's time.
According to Islamic history, the temple dedicated to Wadd was demolished on the
orders of Muhammad, and those who resisted the demolition were killed, in the
Expedition of Khalid ibn al-Walid (2nd Dumatul Jandal). The temple dedicated to Suwa was demolished on the orders of Muhammad, in the Raid of Amr ibn al-As, in January 630 CE, 8AH, 9th month, of the Islamic Calendar. The temples to Yaghuth, Yauq and Nasr were probably also destroyed by order of Muhammad.
BTW, The Quran version has Noah saying in verse 71:10: "Ask forgiveness of your Lord, surely He is Al-Ghaffar." Ghaffar was one of the local Arab pagan gods that Muhammad included in his pantheon of 99 gods.
Al-Ghaffar, meaning "The Very Forgiving One," isn't very forgiving, IS HE?
The Qur'anic version of the story of Noah and the Flood was entirely invented by
Muhammad. None of this conversation is recorded in the Bible, scriptures that were
written more than a thousand years before the Qur'an.
Duh-swami's version of the mythical conversation is far more plausible than Muhammad's concoction, and a lot more entertaining!!! LOL. Thanks, duh!
Wadd (moon/love god), Suwa, Yaghuth, Yauq and Nasr (ayat 23) were local Arabian pagan gods. It is more than HIGHLY UNLIKELY that these gods existed during Noah's time.
According to Islamic history, the temple dedicated to Wadd was demolished on the
orders of Muhammad, and those who resisted the demolition were killed, in the
Expedition of Khalid ibn al-Walid (2nd Dumatul Jandal). The temple dedicated to Suwa was demolished on the orders of Muhammad, in the Raid of Amr ibn al-As, in January 630 CE, 8AH, 9th month, of the Islamic Calendar. The temples to Yaghuth, Yauq and Nasr were probably also destroyed by order of Muhammad.
BTW, The Quran version has Noah saying in verse 71:10: "Ask forgiveness of your Lord, surely He is Al-Ghaffar." Ghaffar was one of the local Arab pagan gods that Muhammad included in his pantheon of 99 gods.
Al-Ghaffar, meaning "The Very Forgiving One," isn't very forgiving, IS HE?
written by fineliving56 , February 18, 2012
Yes of course, they are the famous 99 good names of Allah
for example … the revenger ….the high handed …the deceiver … the humiliater…the destroyer …
nice names ...
for example … the revenger ….the high handed …the deceiver … the humiliater…the destroyer …
nice names ...
written by Machmoed , February 19, 2012
Dad: I believe the Holy Qur'an is complete and is the same Holy Qur'an that was revealed c1400 years ago.
Complete? then what are un(re)cited revelations for? MORON! Reserves?
Complete? then what are un(re)cited revelations for? MORON! Reserves?
written by Muslim & Proud , February 19, 2012
"Complete? then what are un(re)cited revelations for? MORON! Reserves?"
Yes the Holy Qur'an is COMPLETE.
That's why they are referred to as UNRECITED revelations.........good grief.
I think you have 2 brains Mr Liar. One is lost and the other is out looking for it.
Yes the Holy Qur'an is COMPLETE.
That's why they are referred to as UNRECITED revelations.........good grief.
I think you have 2 brains Mr Liar. One is lost and the other is out looking for it.
written by Gnostic , February 19, 2012
I think the quran is not complete but complete nonsense. In surah 96 The Clot it is written that Allah reveals things that the humans dont know. What? That we are made from clot? That bees produce tasty honey and that all the rain from above is sent by Allah? There are absolutely no revealations in the quran. Anything "revealed" in the quran is either already known, absolutely trivial or totally wrong.
In one surah it is even written (sorry, cant provide the quote, but anyone else perhaps?) that there is nothing not revealed in the quran. However, this is so obviously wrong that we must consider that the author was megalomaniac or so stupid to believe that an almighty god would like to behave like a megalomaniac. Somebody who likes to rule and to punish his own creatures while telling the world again and again that he is almighty and knows everything, Allah looks like a sadistic pervert to me who creates his creatures in order to have people he can torture and punish.
The view of the islamic paradise as well fits perfectly into this verty primitive worldview. While life on earth is not so important, people enjoy just the same things they would like to have on earth in paradise such as pillows made from silk (by whom, by chinese and imported from China ?), bracelets made from gold and fruits like grenades and so on. But if everybody has plenty of gold - does this gold has value anymore? Anybody with a brain can imagine that gold wouldnt be of high value if there were plenty of it available to all - this is a very simple economic principle, however, the author of the quran cannot understand it.
In one surah it is even written (sorry, cant provide the quote, but anyone else perhaps?) that there is nothing not revealed in the quran. However, this is so obviously wrong that we must consider that the author was megalomaniac or so stupid to believe that an almighty god would like to behave like a megalomaniac. Somebody who likes to rule and to punish his own creatures while telling the world again and again that he is almighty and knows everything, Allah looks like a sadistic pervert to me who creates his creatures in order to have people he can torture and punish.
The view of the islamic paradise as well fits perfectly into this verty primitive worldview. While life on earth is not so important, people enjoy just the same things they would like to have on earth in paradise such as pillows made from silk (by whom, by chinese and imported from China ?), bracelets made from gold and fruits like grenades and so on. But if everybody has plenty of gold - does this gold has value anymore? Anybody with a brain can imagine that gold wouldnt be of high value if there were plenty of it available to all - this is a very simple economic principle, however, the author of the quran cannot understand it.
written by Machmoed , February 19, 2012
"Complete? then what are un(re)cited revelations for? MORON! Reserves?"
Yes the Holy Qur'an is COMPLETE.
That's why they are referred to as UNRECITED revelations.........good grief.
Moron, it's you who said that Allah revealed unrecited revelation called Hadith Qudsi and believe they are divine beside the qur'an. Confused already. Blame it on Allah my moronic friend. You even went so far to quote qur'an in defence of this divine revelations and now you're saying it's complete after i whiped your eyes.
Yes the Holy Qur'an is COMPLETE.
That's why they are referred to as UNRECITED revelations.........good grief.
Moron, it's you who said that Allah revealed unrecited revelation called Hadith Qudsi and believe they are divine beside the qur'an. Confused already. Blame it on Allah my moronic friend. You even went so far to quote qur'an in defence of this divine revelations and now you're saying it's complete after i whiped your eyes.
written by then lie , February 19, 2012
The holy Quran say isa (prophet) son of mary is only messeger of Allah and before him some prophet like moses, noah, jonah etc.he is only man, eat,drink,sleep. tired.after him Allah send Muhammad as the last messenger.arab an israil are family
arab from ismaeel and israel from ishak they son abraham(ibrahim)
2:87. Dan sesungguhnya Kami telah mendatangkan Al Kitab (Taurat) kepada Musa, dan Kami telah menyusulinya (berturut-turut) sesudah itu dengan rasul-rasul, dan telah Kami berikan bukti-bukti kebenaran (mukjizat) kepada `Isa putra Maryam dan Kami memperkuatnya dengan Ruhul-Qudus. Apakah setiap datang kepadamu seorang rasul membawa sesuatu (pelajaran) yang tidak sesuai dengan keinginanmu lalu kamu angkuh; maka beberapa orang (di antara mereka) kamu dustakan dan beberapa orang (yang lain) kamu bunuh?
87. And verily We gave unto Moses the Scripture and We caused a train of messengers to follow after him, and We
gave unto Jesus, son of Mary, clear proofs (of Allah's sovereignty), and We supported him with the holy Spirit is it ever
so, that, when there cometh unto you a messenger (from Allah) with that which ye yourselves desire not, ye grow
arrogant, and some ye disbelieve and some ye slay?
88. And they say: Our hearts are hardened. Nay, but Allah hath cursed them for their unbelief. Little is that which they
believ
arab from ismaeel and israel from ishak they son abraham(ibrahim)
2:87. Dan sesungguhnya Kami telah mendatangkan Al Kitab (Taurat) kepada Musa, dan Kami telah menyusulinya (berturut-turut) sesudah itu dengan rasul-rasul, dan telah Kami berikan bukti-bukti kebenaran (mukjizat) kepada `Isa putra Maryam dan Kami memperkuatnya dengan Ruhul-Qudus. Apakah setiap datang kepadamu seorang rasul membawa sesuatu (pelajaran) yang tidak sesuai dengan keinginanmu lalu kamu angkuh; maka beberapa orang (di antara mereka) kamu dustakan dan beberapa orang (yang lain) kamu bunuh?
87. And verily We gave unto Moses the Scripture and We caused a train of messengers to follow after him, and We
gave unto Jesus, son of Mary, clear proofs (of Allah's sovereignty), and We supported him with the holy Spirit is it ever
so, that, when there cometh unto you a messenger (from Allah) with that which ye yourselves desire not, ye grow
arrogant, and some ye disbelieve and some ye slay?
88. And they say: Our hearts are hardened. Nay, but Allah hath cursed them for their unbelief. Little is that which they
believ
written by then lie , February 19, 2012
Genesis 25
7) Abraham mencapai umur seratus tujuh puluh lima tahun, .
(7) The days of Abraham's life were 175 years.
(8) lalu ia meninggal. Ia mati pada waktu telah putih rambutnya, tua dan suntuk umur, maka ia dikumpulkan kepada kaum leluhurnya.
(8) Then Abraham's spirit was released, and he died at a good (ample, full) old age, an old man, satisfied and satiated, and was gathered to his people.
(9) Dan anak-anaknya, Ishak dan Ismael, menguburkan dia dalam gua Makhpela, di padang Efron bin Zohar, orang Het itu, padang yang letaknya di sebelah timur Mamre, (9) Ia dikuburkan oleh anak-anaknya, yaitu Ishak dan Ismael, di Gua Makhpela yang terletak di ladang sebelah timur Mamre. Dahulu ladang itu milik Efron anak Zohar, orang Het, (9) And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite, which is east of Mamre,
(13) Ismael mempunyai dua belas anak yang disebutkan di sini menurut urutan lahirnya: Nebayot, Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam, Misyma, Duma, Masa, Hadad, Tema, Yetur, Nafis dan Kedma. Anak-anak itu menjadi bapak leluhur dua belas suku bangsa, dan desa dan perkemahan mereka disebut menurut nama-nama mereka.
13) These are the names of the sons of Ishmael, named in the order of their births: Nebaioth, the firstborn of Ishmael, and Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam,
(14) Mishma, Dumah, Massa,
(15) Hadad, Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah.
they live in paran mountain(arabia)
7) Abraham mencapai umur seratus tujuh puluh lima tahun, .
(7) The days of Abraham's life were 175 years.
(8) lalu ia meninggal. Ia mati pada waktu telah putih rambutnya, tua dan suntuk umur, maka ia dikumpulkan kepada kaum leluhurnya.
(8) Then Abraham's spirit was released, and he died at a good (ample, full) old age, an old man, satisfied and satiated, and was gathered to his people.
(9) Dan anak-anaknya, Ishak dan Ismael, menguburkan dia dalam gua Makhpela, di padang Efron bin Zohar, orang Het itu, padang yang letaknya di sebelah timur Mamre, (9) Ia dikuburkan oleh anak-anaknya, yaitu Ishak dan Ismael, di Gua Makhpela yang terletak di ladang sebelah timur Mamre. Dahulu ladang itu milik Efron anak Zohar, orang Het, (9) And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite, which is east of Mamre,
(13) Ismael mempunyai dua belas anak yang disebutkan di sini menurut urutan lahirnya: Nebayot, Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam, Misyma, Duma, Masa, Hadad, Tema, Yetur, Nafis dan Kedma. Anak-anak itu menjadi bapak leluhur dua belas suku bangsa, dan desa dan perkemahan mereka disebut menurut nama-nama mereka.
13) These are the names of the sons of Ishmael, named in the order of their births: Nebaioth, the firstborn of Ishmael, and Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam,
(14) Mishma, Dumah, Massa,
(15) Hadad, Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah.
they live in paran mountain(arabia)
written by Fineliving56's son , February 19, 2012
M&P wrote: "Yes the Holy Qur'an is COMPLETE."
What does this mean? Does it mean that you don't need any other knowledge in order to live a good life?
If not, then what?
What does this mean? Does it mean that you don't need any other knowledge in order to live a good life?
If not, then what?
written by duh_swami , February 19, 2012
The Quran is complete...Complete nonsense...it leaves the idiot in full possession of his idiocy...
written by Gnostic , February 19, 2012
It is really funny to watch again and again that muslims think they can impress others by copy-pasting complete surahs.
i will tell you all that nobody is impressed by this and nobody with a brain will be infected by YOUR stupidity at all.
YOU believe that the quran is HOLY and anybody who reads or hears this will become a muslim inshalla.
HOWEVER, this is only stupid, superstitious and wishful thinking. Anybody who has a brain will understand immediately that the alleged holy texts are nothing but fiction, written by humans and they are ideed, what the quran over and over again FAKE because they are full of errors, contradictions and inonsistencies which all reveal that there is nothing behind it and all what the muslim reveal by copypasting this is their own stupidity and how laughable they are!
i will tell you all that nobody is impressed by this and nobody with a brain will be infected by YOUR stupidity at all.
YOU believe that the quran is HOLY and anybody who reads or hears this will become a muslim inshalla.
HOWEVER, this is only stupid, superstitious and wishful thinking. Anybody who has a brain will understand immediately that the alleged holy texts are nothing but fiction, written by humans and they are ideed, what the quran over and over again FAKE because they are full of errors, contradictions and inonsistencies which all reveal that there is nothing behind it and all what the muslim reveal by copypasting this is their own stupidity and how laughable they are!
written by Fineliving56's son , February 19, 2012
You're saying that anybody *with a brain* would know that Islam is wrong.
That is wrong. I would replace
*with a brain*
with
*who thinks rationally about the question 'is Islam moral'*
Note that exmuslims were once muslims. We had brains before we left Islam.
That is wrong. I would replace
*with a brain*
with
*who thinks rationally about the question 'is Islam moral'*
Note that exmuslims were once muslims. We had brains before we left Islam.
written by Gnostic , February 19, 2012
Sorry, you are right. I did not want to hurt ex-muslims. Most muslims are brainwashed and indoctrinated from the day they they were born while others convert to islam when they are still young and looking something they can make themselves different from their parents wiith.
On the other hand I keep my criticism that pasting complete surahs here as comment without any reason is really stupid and superstitious. It is an illusion to think that there is any hidden magic, modern science or miracles in the quran but many muslims have chosen to ignore reality-
On the other hand I keep my criticism that pasting complete surahs here as comment without any reason is really stupid and superstitious. It is an illusion to think that there is any hidden magic, modern science or miracles in the quran but many muslims have chosen to ignore reality-
written by Muslim & Proud , February 19, 2012
Re Holy Qur'an is complete.
"What does this mean? Does it mean that you don't need any other knowledge in order to live a good life?"
Yes, we also need the Hadith (Sunnah)...........in order to understand the Holy Qur'an.
"What does this mean? Does it mean that you don't need any other knowledge in order to live a good life?"
Yes, we also need the Hadith (Sunnah)...........in order to understand the Holy Qur'an.
written by duh_swami , February 19, 2012
Yes, we also need the Hadith (Sunnah)...........in order to understand the Holy Qur'an.
Yes, the hadith about head lice control is necessary to understand Quran...Head lice have a way of interfering with prayers...
Yes, the hadith about head lice control is necessary to understand Quran...Head lice have a way of interfering with prayers...
written by Fineliving56's son , February 19, 2012
M&P wrote: "Holy Qur'an is complete."
I wrote: "What does this mean? Does it mean that you don't need any other knowledge in order to live a good life?"
M&P wrote: "Yes, we also need the Hadith (Sunnah)...........in order to understand the Holy Qur'an."
So what does *Quran is complete* mean?
And what would the phrase *Quran is incomplete* mean?
I showed you some immoral *authentic* Hadith. But you didn't reply. So I assume that you agreed with me that it is immoral. Yet you still trust Hadith.
What does this mean? Doublethink. Or Cognitive Dissonance. Which is it?
I wrote: "What does this mean? Does it mean that you don't need any other knowledge in order to live a good life?"
M&P wrote: "Yes, we also need the Hadith (Sunnah)...........in order to understand the Holy Qur'an."
So what does *Quran is complete* mean?
And what would the phrase *Quran is incomplete* mean?
I showed you some immoral *authentic* Hadith. But you didn't reply. So I assume that you agreed with me that it is immoral. Yet you still trust Hadith.
What does this mean? Doublethink. Or Cognitive Dissonance. Which is it?
written by Muslim & Proud , February 19, 2012
"So what does *Quran is complete* mean?"
It means it is complete.
"I showed you some immoral *authentic* Hadith. But you didn't reply. So I assume that you agreed with me that it is immoral. Yet you still trust Hadith."
Please show them again - I have obviously missed your post.
It means it is complete.
"I showed you some immoral *authentic* Hadith. But you didn't reply. So I assume that you agreed with me that it is immoral. Yet you still trust Hadith."
Please show them again - I have obviously missed your post.
written by Fineliving56's son , February 19, 2012
I wrote: "So what does *Quran is complete* mean?"
M&P wrote: "It means it is complete."
So I think you mean that Muslims need no additional moral guidelines besides the Quran [and Hadith as further clarification of the Quran]?
So what about slavery? Don't you think that Islam's guidelines of the morality of slavery is wrong? And that Muslims need additional moral guidelines which would guide them to steer away from committing the immoral act of keeping slaves?
If you agree, then you should also agree that the Quran is not complete. If not, then please explain your position.
If you disagree, then please explain how Islam *does* provide the proper moral guidelines against slavery.
M&P wrote: "It means it is complete."
So I think you mean that Muslims need no additional moral guidelines besides the Quran [and Hadith as further clarification of the Quran]?
So what about slavery? Don't you think that Islam's guidelines of the morality of slavery is wrong? And that Muslims need additional moral guidelines which would guide them to steer away from committing the immoral act of keeping slaves?
If you agree, then you should also agree that the Quran is not complete. If not, then please explain your position.
If you disagree, then please explain how Islam *does* provide the proper moral guidelines against slavery.
written by Fineliving56's son , February 20, 2012
I said: "Y is the fact that Prophet Mohammad married a 9 year old."
M&P said: "Not A FACT. What was your point?"
According to you, you believe that it is a fact. Why? Because you said that you believe all authentic Hadith are true. And what is categorized as authentic is Sahah Muslim and Bukhari.
Sahih Muslim 14:9:805 - "Aisha said: Mohamed married me when I was 6 and he consummated the marriage when I was 9. [snip]"
So you deny that this is authentic Hadith? Do you deny that this is immoral? If you do deny it, please explain your position.
If you agree that it is authentic Hadith and that it is immoral, then how do you explain why you believe that all authentic Hadith is truth?
M&P said: "Not A FACT. What was your point?"
According to you, you believe that it is a fact. Why? Because you said that you believe all authentic Hadith are true. And what is categorized as authentic is Sahah Muslim and Bukhari.
Sahih Muslim 14:9:805 - "Aisha said: Mohamed married me when I was 6 and he consummated the marriage when I was 9. [snip]"
So you deny that this is authentic Hadith? Do you deny that this is immoral? If you do deny it, please explain your position.
If you agree that it is authentic Hadith and that it is immoral, then how do you explain why you believe that all authentic Hadith is truth?
written by Muslim & Proud , February 20, 2012
"Sahih Muslim 14:9:805 - "Aisha said: Mohamed married me when I was 6 and he consummated the marriage when I was 9. [snip]"
So you deny that this is authentic Hadith? Do you deny that this is immoral? If you do deny it, please explain your position."
I absolutely WHOLEHEARTEDLY deny that it was immoral.
Position: Your mother has already informed us that marriage to very young girls was common 1400 years ago.
So you deny that this is authentic Hadith? Do you deny that this is immoral? If you do deny it, please explain your position."
I absolutely WHOLEHEARTEDLY deny that it was immoral.
Position: Your mother has already informed us that marriage to very young girls was common 1400 years ago.
written by duh_swami , February 20, 2012
Position: Your mother has already informed us that marriage to very young girls was common 1400 years ago.
It's still common today, especially among Muslims...The enlightened west passed laws making child marriages and sexual molestation illegal...This is not the case in Islam land where the practices of Mohammad are still followed...Some Islamic countries do have age laws of marriage that are mostly reasonable, 16/17, but in the villages Mohammads methods are followed and girls as young as 8 are married to filthy old men...There are some Islamic authorities who claim a Muslim can marry a girl at any age, even an infant, but are supposed to hold off sex until they are at least 9...Of course that does not prevent the lusting husband to indulge himself in another of Mohammads favorite pass times, 'thighing'...
It's still common today, especially among Muslims...The enlightened west passed laws making child marriages and sexual molestation illegal...This is not the case in Islam land where the practices of Mohammad are still followed...Some Islamic countries do have age laws of marriage that are mostly reasonable, 16/17, but in the villages Mohammads methods are followed and girls as young as 8 are married to filthy old men...There are some Islamic authorities who claim a Muslim can marry a girl at any age, even an infant, but are supposed to hold off sex until they are at least 9...Of course that does not prevent the lusting husband to indulge himself in another of Mohammads favorite pass times, 'thighing'...
written by fineliving56 , February 20, 2012
You said " You need hadeeth to understand Quran"
You mean the hadeeth of talking trees ….that one ….the one about talking trees and talking stones which they talks about a Jew hides behind them, and Muslims were trying to murder them …. that one!!?
How is this hadeeth helps you understand Quran? …
have you seen a taking tree lately? …it is strange …
I have visited manny places all over the world ….. I haven't heard not even one of multi linguistic tree ?
I like to ask the readers that Question …..
Has any reader out there, talked to a tree or a stone like hadeeth says and Quran backed ..?
You mean the hadeeth of talking trees ….that one ….the one about talking trees and talking stones which they talks about a Jew hides behind them, and Muslims were trying to murder them …. that one!!?
How is this hadeeth helps you understand Quran? …
have you seen a taking tree lately? …it is strange …
I have visited manny places all over the world ….. I haven't heard not even one of multi linguistic tree ?
I like to ask the readers that Question …..
Has any reader out there, talked to a tree or a stone like hadeeth says and Quran backed ..?
written by duh_swami , February 20, 2012
You mean the hadeeth of talking trees...
And animals, Mohammad told the people of a talking cow and wolf...He said Umar and Ali didn't hear it, but they believe it...Another hadith has Mohammad talking to dead warrior enemies about to be buried in a pit...Someone asked him why he was giving the dead a sermon, and he said that they can hear, just not respond...So in order to follow Islam according to hadith, M&PP should make frequent trips to the cemetery and preach to dead kuffar...They can't respond but they can hear...
And animals, Mohammad told the people of a talking cow and wolf...He said Umar and Ali didn't hear it, but they believe it...Another hadith has Mohammad talking to dead warrior enemies about to be buried in a pit...Someone asked him why he was giving the dead a sermon, and he said that they can hear, just not respond...So in order to follow Islam according to hadith, M&PP should make frequent trips to the cemetery and preach to dead kuffar...They can't respond but they can hear...
written by Machmoed , February 20, 2012
Muhammad could do a loy of things: talking/communicating with jinns/propehets (dead people) on his night journey and even Allah.
written by fineliving56 , February 20, 2012
Yes
Muhammad even could talk to the dead … once he tried that ….when he spent the whole night with his Aunt's DEAD body in her crave before it was covered
I wonder what she told him? …. )
Muhammad even could talk to the dead … once he tried that ….when he spent the whole night with his Aunt's DEAD body in her crave before it was covered
I wonder what she told him? …. )
written by Machmoed , February 20, 2012
I wonder what she told him? …. )
According to him it could be a lot of things especially how women are tormented in hell fire but the real truth is, she didn't tell him a thing since she was dead. We know that dead people don't and can't talk........and here is the surprise.....they can't hear a thing also...:-)
According to him it could be a lot of things especially how women are tormented in hell fire but the real truth is, she didn't tell him a thing since she was dead. We know that dead people don't and can't talk........and here is the surprise.....they can't hear a thing also...:-)
written by Muslim and proud , February 20, 2012
"does not prevent the lusting husband to indulge himself in another of Mohammads favorite pass times, 'thighing'..."
Is this according to the Hadith, which errrrrrm.......you and your cronies consider to be lies......
Is this according to the Hadith, which errrrrrm.......you and your cronies consider to be lies......
written by duh_swami , February 20, 2012
Is this according to the Hadith, which errrrrrm.......you and your cronies consider to be lies......
No, it's according to the hadith you and your brothers swear by...You do swear by the sacred hadith, don't you?
No, it's according to the hadith you and your brothers swear by...You do swear by the sacred hadith, don't you?
written by Fineliving56's son , February 20, 2012
I wrote: Sahih Muslim 14:9:805 - "Aisha said: Mohamed married me when I was 6 and he consummated the marriage when I was 9. [snip]"
M&P wrote: "I absolutely WHOLEHEARTEDLY deny that it was immoral. Why? Because marriage to very young girls was common 1400 years ago."
Let X = the idea that marrying 9 year olds was considered moral 1400 years ago, but isn't considered moral today [which I assume you believe].
Let Y = your idea that the Quran is complete, i.e. you don't need any additional moral guidelines.
Do you realize that X and Y contradict each other?
If yes, then do you deny X or Y?
If no, please explain why you think that the Quran is complete, and provides all the moral guidelines that people needed, but then you agree that today we disagree that marrying 9 year olds is moral, i.e. we created new moral guidelines since the 7th century.
M&P wrote: "I absolutely WHOLEHEARTEDLY deny that it was immoral. Why? Because marriage to very young girls was common 1400 years ago."
Let X = the idea that marrying 9 year olds was considered moral 1400 years ago, but isn't considered moral today [which I assume you believe].
Let Y = your idea that the Quran is complete, i.e. you don't need any additional moral guidelines.
Do you realize that X and Y contradict each other?
If yes, then do you deny X or Y?
If no, please explain why you think that the Quran is complete, and provides all the moral guidelines that people needed, but then you agree that today we disagree that marrying 9 year olds is moral, i.e. we created new moral guidelines since the 7th century.
written by Machmoed , February 20, 2012
He is checking authentic hadith right now for the tafseer of qur'an so bare with him.
written by Muslim & Proud , February 20, 2012
Let X = the idea that marrying 9 year olds was considered moral 1400 years ago, but isn't considered moral today [which I assume you believe].
"Let Y = your idea that the Quran is complete, i.e. you don't need any additional moral guidelines.
Do you realize that X and Y contradict each other?
If yes, then do you deny X or Y?"
Lol
Lol
Lol
Sorry......i'll just pick myself up of the floor.
I do agree with your X by the way so you have actually not done as badly this time......good boy.
As for Y, well this is where your closed little mind about Islam has let you down quite badly.
The Holy Qur'an states: Obey Allah (the exalted) AND his Messenger (peace be upon him). The Messenger (peace be upon him) can only be obeyed using the Hadith (i.e. Sunnah).
Islam offers muslims (when it comes to marriage), many options which catered for muslims 1400 years ago, in line with the 'norm', and it will cater for muslims for the next 100 centuries, whatever the norm is. The only condition is that Shariah is adhered to. For example, love marriage is the thing these days - Islam caters for love marriage. It is closed minded people that are obsessed with child marriage.
I hope you have the spade handy.
"Let Y = your idea that the Quran is complete, i.e. you don't need any additional moral guidelines.
Do you realize that X and Y contradict each other?
If yes, then do you deny X or Y?"
Lol
Lol
Lol
Sorry......i'll just pick myself up of the floor.
I do agree with your X by the way so you have actually not done as badly this time......good boy.
As for Y, well this is where your closed little mind about Islam has let you down quite badly.
The Holy Qur'an states: Obey Allah (the exalted) AND his Messenger (peace be upon him). The Messenger (peace be upon him) can only be obeyed using the Hadith (i.e. Sunnah).
Islam offers muslims (when it comes to marriage), many options which catered for muslims 1400 years ago, in line with the 'norm', and it will cater for muslims for the next 100 centuries, whatever the norm is. The only condition is that Shariah is adhered to. For example, love marriage is the thing these days - Islam caters for love marriage. It is closed minded people that are obsessed with child marriage.
I hope you have the spade handy.
written by duh_swami , February 20, 2012
It is closed minded people that are obsessed with child marriage.
Most people are strongly against child rape and abuse, except Muslims like yourself who would sweep it under the carpet...You like little girls do you?
Most people are strongly against child rape and abuse, except Muslims like yourself who would sweep it under the carpet...You like little girls do you?
written by Muslim & Proud , February 20, 2012
"It is closed minded people that are obsessed with child marriage."
Who was the first to respond..........
Drum Roll
Our very own Duh_Swami
Bravo Duh.
Who was the first to respond..........
Drum Roll
Our very own Duh_Swami
Bravo Duh.
written by duh_swami , February 20, 2012
That's because I have a conscience, where's yours?
You didn't answer my question...Do you have a fondness for little girls? You can be honest, I won't tell anyone...
You didn't answer my question...Do you have a fondness for little girls? You can be honest, I won't tell anyone...
written by fineliving56 , February 20, 2012
Well Muslim and co said he is closed minded about Sharia [ means he will not dare to change anything in it.
And we all what know what that means ….he has to emulate or at least condones child marriages when it happens to girls around him … he can not brings him self to disagree because that will go against his closed mind thinking about sharia and his The perfect man Muhammad [ not] and his sweet … sweet … tooth for fresh flash of little girls like poor Ayshia's .
I just do not know how Muhammad dealt, with Aysha screams,tears and cries when he forced him self on here? … because we all know she did a lot of it …
Did he put his hand over her mouth or did he stuffed it with a sock ? ….
Hadeeth which tells of every details of life of Muhammad did NOT say anything about that …
I know Ayash wants and needs, were not important … she is after all , but a half brained useless Muslim little girl … anyway….
sick Islam /Muhammad/Allah/Quran/hadeeth/Sirah …..
And we all what know what that means ….he has to emulate or at least condones child marriages when it happens to girls around him … he can not brings him self to disagree because that will go against his closed mind thinking about sharia and his The perfect man Muhammad [ not] and his sweet … sweet … tooth for fresh flash of little girls like poor Ayshia's .
I just do not know how Muhammad dealt, with Aysha screams,tears and cries when he forced him self on here? … because we all know she did a lot of it …
Did he put his hand over her mouth or did he stuffed it with a sock ? ….
Hadeeth which tells of every details of life of Muhammad did NOT say anything about that …
I know Ayash wants and needs, were not important … she is after all , but a half brained useless Muslim little girl … anyway….
sick Islam /Muhammad/Allah/Quran/hadeeth/Sirah …..
written by Muslim and proud , February 20, 2012
Your words show nothing but bitterness - no different to what you were saying a week ago.
Your situation is no different Fineliving - SAD AND PATHETIC
Your situation is no different Fineliving - SAD AND PATHETIC
written by Muslim and proud , February 20, 2012
"Well Muslim and co said he is closed minded about Sharia [ means he will not dare to change anything in it. "
That's right btw, you have made a vital observation - I will not dare to change anything in it - that's one of the fundamental reasons Islam remains solid (muslims have indeed changed and some cursed ones have left Islam (good riddance to bad rubbish!).
That's right btw, you have made a vital observation - I will not dare to change anything in it - that's one of the fundamental reasons Islam remains solid (muslims have indeed changed and some cursed ones have left Islam (good riddance to bad rubbish!).
written by Muslim and proud , February 20, 2012
You said: "Well Muslim and co said he is closed minded about Sharia"
Your son said: "Yes. So within the boundary of shariah, you are open-minded"
I pity you people......you can't even agree amongst yourselves....enough said
Your son said: "Yes. So within the boundary of shariah, you are open-minded"
I pity you people......you can't even agree amongst yourselves....enough said
written by fineliving56 , February 20, 2012
Fine…. have it your way then …. baby
So You are open minded in the pits of Sharia … I am glad …your are not THAT helpless
Tell me something …..Does that mean you WOULD SAY SOMETHING and TRY TO PREVENT, when a Muslim friend of yours EMULATE Muhammad[ pile upon on him ] and marry his 9 year old daughter to a 50 year old man ….
Is it, that kind of open mind you are talking about or not?
Can you tell me in what way you would show your open mind in the pits of sharia … I mean in the boundaries of sharia ?
So You are open minded in the pits of Sharia … I am glad …your are not THAT helpless
Tell me something …..Does that mean you WOULD SAY SOMETHING and TRY TO PREVENT, when a Muslim friend of yours EMULATE Muhammad[ pile upon on him ] and marry his 9 year old daughter to a 50 year old man ….
Is it, that kind of open mind you are talking about or not?
Can you tell me in what way you would show your open mind in the pits of sharia … I mean in the boundaries of sharia ?
written by Fineliving56's son , February 20, 2012
M&P.
I did not tell you that you are open-minded within the boundary of Shariah. I told you that *you* said you are open-minded within the boundary of Shariah. These two statements are not the same.
Let X be "You are open-minded".
Let Y be "You said you are open-minded".
X does not equal Y.
Note that when I use your statements in discussion, it does not mean that I believe your statements to be truth.
I did not tell you that you are open-minded within the boundary of Shariah. I told you that *you* said you are open-minded within the boundary of Shariah. These two statements are not the same.
Let X be "You are open-minded".
Let Y be "You said you are open-minded".
X does not equal Y.
Note that when I use your statements in discussion, it does not mean that I believe your statements to be truth.
written by Fineliving56's son , February 20, 2012
M&P wrote: "As for Y, well this is where your closed little mind about Islam has let you down quite badly."
Why am I close-minded? I am open to your ideas. I am open to your persuasion. So how am I close-minded? Have I told you that I refuse to answer your questions? Have I not answered all your questions? What is your definition of close-minded if not this?
Why am I close-minded? I am open to your ideas. I am open to your persuasion. So how am I close-minded? Have I told you that I refuse to answer your questions? Have I not answered all your questions? What is your definition of close-minded if not this?
written by Fineliving56's son , February 20, 2012
I wrote: "Let Y = your idea that the Quran is complete, i.e. you don't need any additional moral guidelines."
M&P wrote: "As for Y, well this is where your closed little mind about Islam has let you down quite badly."
Excuse me but I am trying to summarize your statements. If you don't agree with my summary then please correct me. And when you do it, its best not to insult me.
M&P wrote: "The Holy Qur'an states: Obey Allah (the exalted) AND his Messenger (peace be upon him). The Messenger (peace be upon him) can only be obeyed using the Hadith (i.e. Sunnah). Islam offers muslims (when it comes to marriage), many options which catered for muslims 1400 years ago, in line with the 'norm', and it will cater for muslims for the next 100 centuries, whatever the norm is. The only condition is that Shariah is adhered to. For example, love marriage is the thing these days - Islam caters for love marriage. It is closed minded people that are obsessed with child marriage."
I'll try to summarize your words and I'll call it A.
Let A be the idea that "Shariah works in relation to the current norm".
Let B be the fact that "It is the *norm* that Saudi's today rape their servants based on the their understanding of the Quran that marrying 9 year olds is permissible."
So you said A is true [assuming you agree with my summary]. Do you agree with B?
M&P wrote: "As for Y, well this is where your closed little mind about Islam has let you down quite badly."
Excuse me but I am trying to summarize your statements. If you don't agree with my summary then please correct me. And when you do it, its best not to insult me.
M&P wrote: "The Holy Qur'an states: Obey Allah (the exalted) AND his Messenger (peace be upon him). The Messenger (peace be upon him) can only be obeyed using the Hadith (i.e. Sunnah). Islam offers muslims (when it comes to marriage), many options which catered for muslims 1400 years ago, in line with the 'norm', and it will cater for muslims for the next 100 centuries, whatever the norm is. The only condition is that Shariah is adhered to. For example, love marriage is the thing these days - Islam caters for love marriage. It is closed minded people that are obsessed with child marriage."
I'll try to summarize your words and I'll call it A.
Let A be the idea that "Shariah works in relation to the current norm".
Let B be the fact that "It is the *norm* that Saudi's today rape their servants based on the their understanding of the Quran that marrying 9 year olds is permissible."
So you said A is true [assuming you agree with my summary]. Do you agree with B?
written by Machmoed , February 21, 2012
The Holy Qur'an states: Obey Allah (the exalted) AND his Messenger (peace be upon him). The Messenger (peace be upon him) can only be obeyed using the Hadith (i.e. Sunnah).
You forgot that Allah tells you to obey those in authority among you.
"Believers! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you..." (Qur'an 4:59)
You are perticularly following the last/lost group. Note the trinity. Allah-Muhammad-authoritive people :-).
You forgot that Allah tells you to obey those in authority among you.
"Believers! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you..." (Qur'an 4:59)
You are perticularly following the last/lost group. Note the trinity. Allah-Muhammad-authoritive people :-).
written by Fineliving56's son , February 21, 2012
I wrote: "Shariah works in relation to the current norm."
And you didn't reply. Why not?
I'll give you another question. What exactly in the Quran or Hadith says anything about the shariah working in relation to the current norm?
If you can't produce a quote from Quran or Hadith that says this, then you are rationalizing. And why would you do that? Because you want to believe that Allah, Quran, and Hadith is true.
And you didn't reply. Why not?
I'll give you another question. What exactly in the Quran or Hadith says anything about the shariah working in relation to the current norm?
If you can't produce a quote from Quran or Hadith that says this, then you are rationalizing. And why would you do that? Because you want to believe that Allah, Quran, and Hadith is true.
written by Muslim & Proud , February 21, 2012
"Let A be the idea that "Shariah works in relation to the current norm".
Let B be the fact that "It is the *norm* that Saudi's today rape their servants based on the their understanding of the Quran that marrying 9 year olds is permissible.""
B is totally wrong.
Where does it say that in the Holy Qur'an?
Let B be the fact that "It is the *norm* that Saudi's today rape their servants based on the their understanding of the Quran that marrying 9 year olds is permissible.""
B is totally wrong.
Where does it say that in the Holy Qur'an?
written by Muslim & Proud , February 21, 2012
"I'll give you another question. What exactly in the Quran or Hadith says anything about the shariah working in relation to the current norm?"
Lol - With all due respect, this is another totally useless question.
A muslim is expected to follow the Shariah..........whatever society, norm, country, planet, universe or environment he/she is in.
Lol - With all due respect, this is another totally useless question.
A muslim is expected to follow the Shariah..........whatever society, norm, country, planet, universe or environment he/she is in.
written by Fineliving56's son , February 21, 2012
M&P wrote: "Where does it say that in the Holy Qur'an?"
Doesn't the Quran instruct you to emulate Mohamed?
If yes, didn't Mohamed marry a 6 year old and consummate the marriage when she was 9?
If yes, then do you agree that a muslim is permitted to emulate this specific act that Mohamed committed?
What have I misunderstood?
Doesn't the Quran instruct you to emulate Mohamed?
If yes, didn't Mohamed marry a 6 year old and consummate the marriage when she was 9?
If yes, then do you agree that a muslim is permitted to emulate this specific act that Mohamed committed?
What have I misunderstood?
written by Muslim and proud , February 21, 2012
"Doesn't the Quran instruct you to emulate Mohamed"?
Is that your understanding?
Is that your understanding?
written by Fineliving56's son , February 21, 2012
I wrote: "Doesn't the Quran instruct you to emulate Mohamed"?
M&P wrote: "Is that your understanding?"
Yes. Why else do you think that I would form my question in the way that I did?
So, are you saying that the Quran doesn't instruct you to emulate Mohamed?
Consider this. In verses 3:132 and 4:80 Allah says that obeying Him and Muhammad (i.e., Muhammad’s examples) is mandatory. This means Muslims have no choice but to follow Muhammad’s deeds, as this constitutes the obeying the commands of Allah.
Quran 3.132: And obey Allah and the Messenger that you may obtain mercy.
Quran 4:80: He who obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah; but those who turn away - We have not sent you over them as a guardian.
So clearly, muslims who want to marry 9 year olds will do so and they will be following Shariah. Just like it happens right now in Yemen and Saudi Arabia.
So do you think this is moral behavior?
Do you think that the Quran provides all the moral guidelines that you need? Because if you say yes, then you would think that its permissible to marry a 9 year old. Would you want your daughter or sister to get married at 9 years old?
M&P wrote: "Is that your understanding?"
Yes. Why else do you think that I would form my question in the way that I did?
So, are you saying that the Quran doesn't instruct you to emulate Mohamed?
Consider this. In verses 3:132 and 4:80 Allah says that obeying Him and Muhammad (i.e., Muhammad’s examples) is mandatory. This means Muslims have no choice but to follow Muhammad’s deeds, as this constitutes the obeying the commands of Allah.
Quran 3.132: And obey Allah and the Messenger that you may obtain mercy.
Quran 4:80: He who obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah; but those who turn away - We have not sent you over them as a guardian.
So clearly, muslims who want to marry 9 year olds will do so and they will be following Shariah. Just like it happens right now in Yemen and Saudi Arabia.
So do you think this is moral behavior?
Do you think that the Quran provides all the moral guidelines that you need? Because if you say yes, then you would think that its permissible to marry a 9 year old. Would you want your daughter or sister to get married at 9 years old?
written by Muslim and proud , February 22, 2012
"This means Muslims have no choice but to follow Muhammad’s deeds, as this constitutes the obeying the commands of Allah."
It is obligatory for Muslims to obey Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)
Emulate and obey are 2 TOTALLY different things.
In order to obey, there MUST be an instruction.
Before I answer your other questions, this point needs to be resolved and I have a question of my own - I think it's fair to say that am due one ;-)
Now please be kind enough to provide the Hadith, which 'categorically', in no uncertain terms, states:
YOU MUST MARRY A 9 YEAR OLD - OR A 6 YEAR OLD
Good luck.
It is obligatory for Muslims to obey Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)
Emulate and obey are 2 TOTALLY different things.
In order to obey, there MUST be an instruction.
Before I answer your other questions, this point needs to be resolved and I have a question of my own - I think it's fair to say that am due one ;-)
Now please be kind enough to provide the Hadith, which 'categorically', in no uncertain terms, states:
YOU MUST MARRY A 9 YEAR OLD - OR A 6 YEAR OLD
Good luck.
written by fineliving56 , February 22, 2012
Quran or hadeeth does not HAVE TO SAY '' you must marry 9 years old girls'' .. why should it …
it is enough that Q /65/4 saying … waiting 3 month to divorce older and younger women " those who gave up from their menstrual and those who DID NOT HAVE THIER MENSTRUAL YET " to wait three month after divorce before marrying again …
and the proof it worked …. Muslims are obaying Muhammad and his Quran is ….MUSLIMS STILL marrying 9 years olds ...
Hadeeth has many parts which condense and give permission to marry 9 years olds … Do I have to post them again … I already did before …
Go a head and play with words …Muslim … I just have to say it is not helping your cause .
it is enough that Q /65/4 saying … waiting 3 month to divorce older and younger women " those who gave up from their menstrual and those who DID NOT HAVE THIER MENSTRUAL YET " to wait three month after divorce before marrying again …
and the proof it worked …. Muslims are obaying Muhammad and his Quran is ….MUSLIMS STILL marrying 9 years olds ...
Hadeeth has many parts which condense and give permission to marry 9 years olds … Do I have to post them again … I already did before …
Go a head and play with words …Muslim … I just have to say it is not helping your cause .
written by Muslim and proud , February 22, 2012
I am having a discussion with your son - who I have to say has a very civilised approach and I commend him for it.
No offence, but he certainly did not learn this approach from yourself.
I await his response with anticipation.
No offence, but he certainly did not learn this approach from yourself.
I await his response with anticipation.
written by duh_swami , February 22, 2012
I await his response with anticipation.
While you are waiting, please answer this...The Iranians just condemned an apostate who converted from Islam to Christianity, to death as prescribed by sharia...Do you agree that this Christian deserves to die? I await your resonse with anticipation...
While you are waiting, please answer this...The Iranians just condemned an apostate who converted from Islam to Christianity, to death as prescribed by sharia...Do you agree that this Christian deserves to die? I await your resonse with anticipation...
written by fineliving56 , February 22, 2012
Not at all… I am not offended … Islam made me develop a thick skin.
You avoid addressing all the charges against Muhammad that I and other posters wrote about and you just prefer try to attack me personally … I am not surprised …
you have no good answer for all the charges ...you cannot go around the fact that Muhammad was a child molester hiding behind his Allah who he created to give him self the go ahead to feed his sick needs do.
Q Surit Al Ahazab is a fine example of Muhammad selfish soul …
I know you do not read Arabic and you have to rely on translation …go ahead and read that Aya's translation and then tell me if you do not see Muhammad self serving words in Quran.
I posted this revealing Aya in anther thread and it was not posted… It might be posted later.
You avoid addressing all the charges against Muhammad that I and other posters wrote about and you just prefer try to attack me personally … I am not surprised …
you have no good answer for all the charges ...you cannot go around the fact that Muhammad was a child molester hiding behind his Allah who he created to give him self the go ahead to feed his sick needs do.
Q Surit Al Ahazab is a fine example of Muhammad selfish soul …
I know you do not read Arabic and you have to rely on translation …go ahead and read that Aya's translation and then tell me if you do not see Muhammad self serving words in Quran.
I posted this revealing Aya in anther thread and it was not posted… It might be posted later.
written by then lie , February 25, 2012
Muhammad is the best prophet of Allah.the last messeger .islam is the straight path
124. And when a token cometh unto them, they say: We will not believe till we are given that which Allah's messengers are given. Allah knoweth best with whom to place His message. Humiliation from Allah and heavy punishment will smite the guilty for their scheming.
124. And when a token cometh unto them, they say: We will not believe till we are given that which Allah's messengers are given. Allah knoweth best with whom to place His message. Humiliation from Allah and heavy punishment will smite the guilty for their scheming.
written by then lie , February 25, 2012
Muhammad prophet islam in Habakuk old statement
3) God (Allah the god of Human) came from Teman Paran (arabia)and the Holy One from Mount Paran Selah [pause, and calmly think of that]! His glory covered the heavens and the earth was full of His praise.(12) You marched through the land in indignation; You trampled and threshed the nations in anger.third kalifah Umar ibnu khattab 2/3 of the world become islam.this prove.in Habakuk old statement
3) God (Allah the god of Human) came from Teman Paran (arabia)and the Holy One from Mount Paran Selah [pause, and calmly think of that]! His glory covered the heavens and the earth was full of His praise.(12) You marched through the land in indignation; You trampled and threshed the nations in anger.third kalifah Umar ibnu khattab 2/3 of the world become islam.this prove.in Habakuk old statement
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