Apart from seven versions of the Quran, Allah revealed two more books to Muhammad. Of the 9 revealed books of Allah, Muslims destroyed all but the only one version of the Quran available today.
In our part 1 of this article, we have discussed about the 7 versions of the Quran, which Allah had revealed to Muhammad during 23 years of his prophethood. Both Allah and Muhammad never cared to compile those so-called revelations into book form until Muhammad’s death. Abu Bakr, the first Caliph of Islam, compiled the 7 versions. Nearly two decades later, third Caliph Uthman kept only one version and burned the remaining 6.
THE OTHER TWO UNKNOWN BOOKS REVEALED TO MUHAMMAD
Recently, I came across the following hadith, which I want to share with the reader. Sometimes, it is funny to read such hadiths with open mind.
Narrated by Abdullah ibn Amr: “Allah’s messenger went out and he had in his hand two books. He said: Do you know what these two books are?
We said: Allah’s Messenger, we do not know but only that you inform us. Thereupon he said: This one which my right hand possesses is a Book from the Lord of the worlds. It contains the names of the inmates of Paradise and the names of their forefathers and those of their tribes. It is most exhaustive and nothing will be added to it nor did anything eliminate from it up to eternity.
He then said: This one in my left hand is a book from the Lord of the worlds. It contains the names of the denizens of Hell and the names of their forefathers and their tribes. It is also exhaustive to the end and nothing will be added to it nor will anything be eliminated from it.
The companions said: Allah’s Messenger, (if this is the case) then where lies the use of doing a deed if the affair is already decided?
Thereupon Muhammad said: stick to the right course and remain as close to it as possible…”
QUESTIONS TO MUSLIMS ON THIS HADITH
The above Hadith is the gem of its kind that raises a number of questions,
- If people are predestined, then what is the need for religion or Muhammad or his Quran?
- Muhammad received his miraculous Quran from his Allah over 23 long years and it was not compiled in book form until after his death. Then how come, he received these two Books all of a sudden from his Allah?
- Why Muhammad’s Allah is hurried to send books with the names of the dwellers of Hell and Heaven? Instead, he could have sent the names of the 124,000 Prophets, whom He allegedly had sent.
- Who taught or wrote these two books for illiterate Muhammad? Certainly, Gabriel, who brought only the verses of the Quran, was not involved in these revelations? Were those then just dropped by Allah straight from Heaven?
- Suppose those two books were just dropped from heaven by Allah. And none else of Muhammad’s disciples had seen those two secret books. Then, how could Muhammad, being illiterate, know the names of the dwellers of Hell and Heaven written in those books?
- How big and heavy were those two books? Since they contained the names of all human beings, starting from the days of creation to the supposedly coming Dooms Day, it could have contained the names of trillions of people. Those two books would likely have entered into the book of world Guinness records due to their giant sizes. Then how could Muhammad manage to continually carry such huge books on his hands?
- From the above hadith, it appears that those two secrets books were properly compiled books (in Allah’s own printing press?) with names of dwellers of Hell and heaven properly printed in them. Yet, the Quran was compiled into a book only after the death of Muhammad. Are they more important than the Quran? If so, where are they now? Why did Allah failed to protect those two books that were apparently more important than the Quran?
- On his last sermon of Hajj Muhammad said that he has completed his religion, and as usual a verse revealed to him to support his claim, “…This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed my Grace upon you, and have chosen Islam for you as your religion…” (Quran5:3)
That means the Quran, the book of God’s guidance for humankind for all eternity, had already been completed and perfected. And after this ceremony, Muhammad was alive for nearly one year. Still, he did take any initiative for the Quran’s compilation. Allah, too, never reminded Muhammad to do the same. Certainly, neither Muhammad nor Allah seemed cared to compile the Quran into a book, despite claiming that it was the perfect guide to life for humanity.
Actually Muhammad’s ambition was to rule over the Arab nation in the name of religion, and so he succeeded in that. And once he became the king of Arabia, he attained his goal. Compilation of the Quran so that it can correctly guide the future generation properly was never important to it. So, he never bothered about its compilation. Anyway, he knew that all the alleged verses of Allah were fabricated lies of his own. So, the question of compiling those lies into a book never struck his mind. It is only the later kings of Islam, “THE WRONGLY GUIDED CALIPHS”, who were unaware of the true authors of those verses and believed Muhammad’s claim that they came from Allah, that felt the importance of compiling them into a book. It was also a necessity for them for the same political reason. Because the empire of Islam they had built stood upon Muhammad’s fabricated lies. So, to protect their throne and expand their empire, they had to compile the Quran in order to enslave the minds of the people to its service.
CONCLUSION: As referred to in the previous article, in one of Zakir Naik’s TV programs, when asked by the anchor why he feels Islam is superior, Zakir Naik answered that the other religions teaches 2+2= 6; whereas, Islam rightly guides him to get a right answer as 2+2= 4. Thus he dismisses other religions as false.
In the two articles in this series, we have seen from authentic Islamic sources that the Quran was revealed to Muhammad in 7 different modes. Apart from the Quran, there were two other books revealed to him. So, totally 9 books (7+2) were revealed to Muhammad by Allah. And neither Muhammad nor his followers had any right to alter or destroy those divine books of eternal importance to humanity.
So, Dr Naik! Out of the 9 books Allah revealed to Muhammad, we have got only one. Therefore, as per Islam, 7+2 = 1 – quite the right calculation Islam lead us to.
Please watch these two videos related subject.
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written by HARKAT UL JIHAD EI KAFIROON , February 21, 2012
good one.
i am tempted to write a hot hot hot xxx book for my followers heheheeeee
written by Gnostic , February 21, 2012
I have never seen any book composed so sloppily like the quran. There is no order in it and the reader never knows where a story begins and ends. So many inconsistencies and contradictions, the narrators view changes very often without any warning.
It would be no surprise if there were other books which were lost since the quran itself was written without any care.
It would be no surprise if there were other books which were lost since the quran itself was written without any care.
written by Muslim and proud , February 21, 2012
"In our part 1 of this article, we have discussed about the 7 versions of the Quran, which Allah had revealed to Muhammad during 23 years of his prophethood."
The only error in this opening statement is "7 versions". Everything else is in line with the belief of a muslim - yet it is an EX MUSLIM" who is the author.........priceless.
I wonder how long it will take for Mirza to make the amendments.
What a guy!
Some free advice: Going forward Mirza, you can send me any articles to proof read as this will mean that you do not make a complete fool of yourself (again and again).
The only error in this opening statement is "7 versions". Everything else is in line with the belief of a muslim - yet it is an EX MUSLIM" who is the author.........priceless.
I wonder how long it will take for Mirza to make the amendments.
What a guy!
Some free advice: Going forward Mirza, you can send me any articles to proof read as this will mean that you do not make a complete fool of yourself (again and again).
written by rzq , February 21, 2012
That nut job belongs to us in the uk. Andy choudry!
Mr "rent a rant". The media use him to get silly quotes to beat the entire muslim population with! He is harmless enough all mouth no trousers!
Sorry he is going to India!
Mr "rent a rant". The media use him to get silly quotes to beat the entire muslim population with! He is harmless enough all mouth no trousers!
Sorry he is going to India!
written by odiwala , February 21, 2012
Why the hell is Indian government allowing this man to come....he is openly denouncing democracy on his website , movie industry and more important he has beheaded idol of hindu god in it...Now how can such hate monger is allowed?
written by duh_swami , February 21, 2012
Mr "rent a rant". The media use him to get silly quotes to beat the entire muslim population
Then he is an apostate...Sharia says he must be killed...I thought most of you Muslims obeyed sharia...Why does Choudary get a free pass?
Then he is an apostate...Sharia says he must be killed...I thought most of you Muslims obeyed sharia...Why does Choudary get a free pass?
written by rzq , February 21, 2012
Where ever this guy goes then tensions between people rise.
I hope the Indian government don't allow him in!
Either that or get someone from the seminary in deoband to have a word with him to correct his ideas!
I hope the Indian government don't allow him in!
Either that or get someone from the seminary in deoband to have a word with him to correct his ideas!
written by duh_swami , February 21, 2012
Why did you ignore my post about Choudary? You know he's an apostate, and you know what your sharia duty is...Are you ashamed or just scared?
written by Cerebrum123 , February 21, 2012
So if you are ignoring barking dogs ,does that mean that when Mohammed said 'whoever leaves his religion (Islam) kill him."? Aren't you supposed to follow Mohammed's example in cases like these? I rarely agree with Duh ,but that apostates are to die is a teaching of Islam. Do you intend to follow those teachings on this matter?
written by duh_swami , February 21, 2012
I tend to ignore barking dogs! Old habits and all that....
I see, so you are refusing to do, or even considering doing your duty to Allah...And when I ask about it you dodge the question...You either believe in Allah and his sacred laws, or you do not...Apparently you think Allah is talking to some other Muslims and not you...According to sharia, a Caliph must kill or order killed an apostate, but in the absence of a Caliph it becomes the duty of any Muslim to do it, because the apostate does not deserve to live...You have correctly identified him as an apostate who spreads mischief in the land, also qualifying him for Q 5:33, so it is your duty to fulfill Allah's punishment...If you fail to preform this duty, you will die a hypocrite and not get into Paradise...You better get on it Allah is watching...
written by Muslim and proud , February 21, 2012
"Mohammed said 'whoever leaves his religion (Islam) kill him."?"
Please explain when this was said and more importantly WHY it was said?
Please explain when this was said and more importantly WHY it was said?
written by duh_swami , February 21, 2012
The same thing I told irz applies to you M&PP...When are you pious sharia believers going to track Choudary down and do your duty to Allah?
written by duh_swami , February 21, 2012
Please explain when this was said and more importantly WHY it was said?
Most likely it was originally stated to prevent Mohammads soldiers from deserting and joining the enemy...It is recorded in hadith...A short time later it morphed into leaving Islam or insulting Islam, or any other things a pious Muslim might do to get out of Islamic line...Even refusing to cut toe nails, even if it is sunnah, is an example of apostasy given in sharia..Quran 4:89 also addresses it...
Most likely it was originally stated to prevent Mohammads soldiers from deserting and joining the enemy...It is recorded in hadith...A short time later it morphed into leaving Islam or insulting Islam, or any other things a pious Muslim might do to get out of Islamic line...Even refusing to cut toe nails, even if it is sunnah, is an example of apostasy given in sharia..Quran 4:89 also addresses it...
written by Muslim & Proud , February 21, 2012
Mirza has once again proved that he has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. He also has a habit of writing an articla and then disappearing when it is ripped apart to uncover he is a devious little rat.
1st contradiction:
In the opening 2 paragraphs, mirza says: "7 versions of the Qur'an"
In the conclusion, he says: "we have seen from authentic Islamic sources that the Quran was revealed to Muhammad in 7 different modes
So we have gone from 7 versions, to one version in 7 different modes. The staement in the conclusion is spot on - the Hadith absolutely makes it clear that THE Holy Qur'an (singular), was revealed in seven different ways.
2nd Contradiction:
The "About Us" section of this site says: "Having thoroughly understood—through our meticulous investigation of Islam, lasting years to decades—that Islam was nothing but a lie"
This article says: "Recently, I came across the following hadith, which I want to share with the reader."
Not very thorough after all.
3rd Contradiction:
The article says "7 versions of the Qur'an". Plural - 7 in total.
The article lists a number of questions, which include: 2. Muhammad received his miraculous Quran from his Allah over 23 long years and it was not compiled in book form until after his death.
Plural and singular use......
Question 5 is a complete disaster on the part of the Author. Have a read......mirza really messed this one up big time.
Question 6 challenges the credibility of the Hadith - the same Hadith USED TO CLAIM THAT AN ADDITIONAL 2 BOOKS WERE REVEALED....check the conclusion where it says "Apart from the Quran, there were two other books revealed to him.".......oh dear oh dear
Mirza - you did it again. You made a complete and utter fool of yourself. Well done.
1st contradiction:
In the opening 2 paragraphs, mirza says: "7 versions of the Qur'an"
In the conclusion, he says: "we have seen from authentic Islamic sources that the Quran was revealed to Muhammad in 7 different modes
So we have gone from 7 versions, to one version in 7 different modes. The staement in the conclusion is spot on - the Hadith absolutely makes it clear that THE Holy Qur'an (singular), was revealed in seven different ways.
2nd Contradiction:
The "About Us" section of this site says: "Having thoroughly understood—through our meticulous investigation of Islam, lasting years to decades—that Islam was nothing but a lie"
This article says: "Recently, I came across the following hadith, which I want to share with the reader."
Not very thorough after all.
3rd Contradiction:
The article says "7 versions of the Qur'an". Plural - 7 in total.
The article lists a number of questions, which include: 2. Muhammad received his miraculous Quran from his Allah over 23 long years and it was not compiled in book form until after his death.
Plural and singular use......
Question 5 is a complete disaster on the part of the Author. Have a read......mirza really messed this one up big time.
Question 6 challenges the credibility of the Hadith - the same Hadith USED TO CLAIM THAT AN ADDITIONAL 2 BOOKS WERE REVEALED....check the conclusion where it says "Apart from the Quran, there were two other books revealed to him.".......oh dear oh dear
Mirza - you did it again. You made a complete and utter fool of yourself. Well done.
written by fineliving56 , February 21, 2012
I wasn't their, but I have an idea …
He lowered it in a bucket hanging from a rope like my mother use do …she used to lower the bucket down from the balcony to collect groceries from the our building's shopkeeper….
No point for Allah to come down all the way from the seven's sky in the building of skies …
that if Allah lived on top suite [ Allah never said which floor IT live in] when Allah has a good rope and a bucket ….
Allah is so practical … :)
He lowered it in a bucket hanging from a rope like my mother use do …she used to lower the bucket down from the balcony to collect groceries from the our building's shopkeeper….
No point for Allah to come down all the way from the seven's sky in the building of skies …
that if Allah lived on top suite [ Allah never said which floor IT live in] when Allah has a good rope and a bucket ….
Allah is so practical … :)
written by No More Confused , February 21, 2012
"Mohammed said 'whoever leaves his religion (Islam) kill him."?"
Please explain when this was said and more importantly WHY it was said?
Bukhari, volume 9, #17
"Narrated Abdullah: Allah's Messenger said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Messenger, cannot be shed except in three cases: in Qisas (equality in punishment) for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (Apostate) and leaves the Muslims."
Why it was said?
To scare people from leaving islam.
Please explain when this was said and more importantly WHY it was said?
Bukhari, volume 9, #17
"Narrated Abdullah: Allah's Messenger said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Messenger, cannot be shed except in three cases: in Qisas (equality in punishment) for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (Apostate) and leaves the Muslims."
Why it was said?
To scare people from leaving islam.
written by Muslim & Proud , February 21, 2012
"Bukhari, volume 9, #17
"Narrated Abdullah: Allah's Messenger said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Messenger, cannot be shed except in three cases: in Qisas (equality in punishment) for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (Apostate) and leaves the Muslims."
Why it was said?
To scare people from leaving islam."
This is what mirza says in the article above:
"Because the empire of Islam they had built stood upon Muhammad’s fabricated lies."
Here is the final question:
Do you believe:
1 - The author of this article: Mirza Ghalib
Or do you believe
2 - The Hadith
1 or 2?
"Narrated Abdullah: Allah's Messenger said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Messenger, cannot be shed except in three cases: in Qisas (equality in punishment) for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (Apostate) and leaves the Muslims."
Why it was said?
To scare people from leaving islam."
This is what mirza says in the article above:
"Because the empire of Islam they had built stood upon Muhammad’s fabricated lies."
Here is the final question:
Do you believe:
1 - The author of this article: Mirza Ghalib
Or do you believe
2 - The Hadith
1 or 2?
written by Tanstaafl jw , February 21, 2012
That our friendly neighborhood Muslims will not carry out their Islamic duty and kill that apostate Anjem Chowdry.
Perhaps they are apostates as well.....
Perhaps they are apostates as well.....
written by duh_swami , February 21, 2012
If you cannot address your duty to Allah under sharia, then you cannot be a spokesman for it...nor can you be a spokesman for hadith, nor can you be a spokesman for Islam...
Allah hates a hypocrite...
Allah hates a hypocrite...
written by Muslim & Proud , February 21, 2012
Anjem Choudry regards himself to be a muslim....
Unless you can prove that 'he' has said:
"I AM NO LONGER A MUSLIM"
Good luck.
Unless you can prove that 'he' has said:
"I AM NO LONGER A MUSLIM"
Good luck.
written by No More Confused , February 21, 2012
Mirza Ghalib is right or Hadith is wrong?
Whatever muhammad said was sanctioned by allah!! but i have no proof for that!!
therefore muhammad was fabricating.
written by rzq , February 21, 2012
I did not say he he was an apostate, you did!
I would never accuse another Muslim of apostacy.
So back to duh world.
I would never accuse another Muslim of apostacy.
So back to duh world.
written by Muslim & Proud , February 21, 2012
"therefore muhammad was fabricating."
"Why it was said?
To scare people from leaving islam."
So your explanation is based on what you regard to be a fabrication.
Well done for digging yourself a hole. Now all you need to do is go in and stay there ;-)
"Why it was said?
To scare people from leaving islam."
So your explanation is based on what you regard to be a fabrication.
Well done for digging yourself a hole. Now all you need to do is go in and stay there ;-)
written by No More Confused , February 21, 2012
"How could al-Hajjaj, who was governor of Iraq, a small part of Muslim land, able to change the Qur'anic text. And above all how could he change what was commited in the memory of Muslims?"
M&P You are still avoiding
Who put aa'rab (dots and punctuations and marks zer, zabar, pesh) on quranic words.
Were aa'rab there when quran was revealed or these were applied later?
Below is taken from islamic website for your attention.
THE HISTORY:
If we depend upon our history, it says that the three stages of Dotting and Diacritization were as follows :-
1. Dots were put as syntactical marks by Abu Al-Aswad Al Doaly, during the time of Mu’awiya Ibn Abi Sufian (661-680 CE);
2. The letters were marked with different dotting by Nasr Ibn Asem and Hayy ibn Ya’amor, during the time of Abd Al-Malek Ibn Marawan (685-705 CE).
3. A complete system of diacritical marks (damma, fataha, kasra) was invented by Al-Khaleel Ibn Ahmad Al Faraheedy (d. 786 CE).
Generally, Hajjaj bin Yousuf is awarded the attribute of affording Quranic text with its proper diacritics; and going by the above history, it is proved as partly true. The Point 2) above testifies to that. But as you can see, he was not the only one ---- nor was he the FIRST ONE as we find that earlier too, this work was carried out during Ameer Mu’awiya’s period, viz., 661-680 CE.
M&P you are ignorant but truth is out there!
M&P You are still avoiding
Who put aa'rab (dots and punctuations and marks zer, zabar, pesh) on quranic words.
Were aa'rab there when quran was revealed or these were applied later?
Below is taken from islamic website for your attention.
THE HISTORY:
If we depend upon our history, it says that the three stages of Dotting and Diacritization were as follows :-
1. Dots were put as syntactical marks by Abu Al-Aswad Al Doaly, during the time of Mu’awiya Ibn Abi Sufian (661-680 CE);
2. The letters were marked with different dotting by Nasr Ibn Asem and Hayy ibn Ya’amor, during the time of Abd Al-Malek Ibn Marawan (685-705 CE).
3. A complete system of diacritical marks (damma, fataha, kasra) was invented by Al-Khaleel Ibn Ahmad Al Faraheedy (d. 786 CE).
Generally, Hajjaj bin Yousuf is awarded the attribute of affording Quranic text with its proper diacritics; and going by the above history, it is proved as partly true. The Point 2) above testifies to that. But as you can see, he was not the only one ---- nor was he the FIRST ONE as we find that earlier too, this work was carried out during Ameer Mu’awiya’s period, viz., 661-680 CE.
M&P you are ignorant but truth is out there!
written by Muslim & Proud , February 21, 2012
Did it occur to you that the dots & syntactical marks would have been put on using the memorised Holy Qur'an.......the master copy.
You are so foolish.
If the Dots and syntactical marks are created using the memorised master copy......IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE PRONUNCIATION AND MORE IMPORTANTLY IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE MEANING.
You are so foolish.
If the Dots and syntactical marks are created using the memorised master copy......IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE PRONUNCIATION AND MORE IMPORTANTLY IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE MEANING.
written by No More Confused , February 21, 2012
"therefore muhammad was fabricating."
"Why it was said?
To scare people from leaving islam."
if you join both
"muhammad was fabricating to scare people from leaving islam"
I regard it as fabrication but muslims believe muhammad fabrications to be allah's orders. I dont believe
mo was taking orders from any god.
i never dig holes for myself or for others i am trying to fill your holes...
"Why it was said?
To scare people from leaving islam."
if you join both
"muhammad was fabricating to scare people from leaving islam"
I regard it as fabrication but muslims believe muhammad fabrications to be allah's orders. I dont believe
mo was taking orders from any god.
i never dig holes for myself or for others i am trying to fill your holes...
written by Muslim & Proud , February 21, 2012
In the early days, the Arabs did not require the vowel signs and diacritical marks for correct pronunciation of the Holy Qur’an since it was their mother tongue. For Muslims of non-Arab origin, however, it was difficult to recite the Holy Qur’an correctly without the vowels. These marks were introduced into the Quranic script during the time of the fifth ‘Umayyad’ Caliph, Malik-ar-Marwan (66-86 Hijri/685-705 C.E.) and during the governorship of Al-Hajaj in Iraq.
So the bottom line is:
It was necessary to add the vowel signs and diacritical marks to help all of the non-arabs that were embracing Islam.
The pronunciation and meaning DID NOT CHANGE, HAS NOT CHANGED & WILL NEVER CHANGE.
So the bottom line is:
It was necessary to add the vowel signs and diacritical marks to help all of the non-arabs that were embracing Islam.
The pronunciation and meaning DID NOT CHANGE, HAS NOT CHANGED & WILL NEVER CHANGE.
written by No More Confused , February 21, 2012
@M&P
Question
How do you guarantee that Ummayad caliphs applied the correct vowels and diacritical marks when
huge percentage of muslims do not trust Ummayads to be faithful?
it was Ummayads who killed Mo's family Ali, Hassan, Hussain and destroyed even kaaba.
Question
How do you guarantee that Ummayad caliphs applied the correct vowels and diacritical marks when
huge percentage of muslims do not trust Ummayads to be faithful?
it was Ummayads who killed Mo's family Ali, Hassan, Hussain and destroyed even kaaba.
written by Just passing through , February 21, 2012
If mizra is right or wrong has little to do with whether he or people who agree with the argument believe the hadith are accurate. If the hadith is false millions have false beliefs, if true millions believe Mo was a bloodthirsty pedophile who presented an irrational and fragmented religion (as shown by the existance of these two books). So it doesnt matter whether true or false both cases prove the underlying point of this website.
written by Muslim and proud , February 21, 2012
" If the hadith is false millions have false beliefs, if true millions believe Mo was a bloodthirsty pedophile who presented an irrational and fragmented religion (as shown by the existance of these two books). So it doesnt matter whether true or false both cases prove the underlying point of this website."
That's where you are wrong. Muslims believe te Hadith to be true and do not make any absurd accusations.
The Islamaphobes like Mirza regard the Hadith to be fabrications, yet present them as evidence to justify their accusations, whilst questioning the credibility of the Hadith at the same time.......
That's where you are wrong. Muslims believe te Hadith to be true and do not make any absurd accusations.
The Islamaphobes like Mirza regard the Hadith to be fabrications, yet present them as evidence to justify their accusations, whilst questioning the credibility of the Hadith at the same time.......
written by No More Confused , February 21, 2012
Quran 2:106
Whatever communications We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better than it or like it. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things?
Allah admits of changing quran himself in these verse. How muslims say quran is never changed???
written by Muslim and proud , February 21, 2012
(2:106) We bring a better verse or at least the like of it for whatever we abrogate or cause it to be forgotten.
This is in response to a doubt which the Jews tried to implant in the minds of the Muslims. If both the earlier Scriptures and the Qur'an were revelations from God why was it - they asked - that the injunctions found in the earlier Scriptures had been replaced by new ones in the Qur'an? How could the same God issue divergent injunctions? Furthermore, they expressed their amazement at the Qur'anic indictment of the Jews and Christians for having allowed part of the revelation to be forgotten and lost, pointing out that it was impossible that Divine revelation should be erased from human memory.
In all this, their motive was not to know the truth but to cast doubt on the Divine origin of the Qur'an. In refutation God states that He being the Absolute Sovereign has unlimited authority both to abrogate previous injunctions and to cause people to forget the injunctions He wants them to forget. However, God ensures that whatever He abrogates or causes to be erased from people's memories is replaced by something equally or even more beneficial.
This is in response to a doubt which the Jews tried to implant in the minds of the Muslims. If both the earlier Scriptures and the Qur'an were revelations from God why was it - they asked - that the injunctions found in the earlier Scriptures had been replaced by new ones in the Qur'an? How could the same God issue divergent injunctions? Furthermore, they expressed their amazement at the Qur'anic indictment of the Jews and Christians for having allowed part of the revelation to be forgotten and lost, pointing out that it was impossible that Divine revelation should be erased from human memory.
In all this, their motive was not to know the truth but to cast doubt on the Divine origin of the Qur'an. In refutation God states that He being the Absolute Sovereign has unlimited authority both to abrogate previous injunctions and to cause people to forget the injunctions He wants them to forget. However, God ensures that whatever He abrogates or causes to be erased from people's memories is replaced by something equally or even more beneficial.
written by rzq , February 21, 2012
The glorious Quran was revealed over a period of 23 years. It has guidance for the mankind. from the cradle to grave.
To have given all the rules and regulations overnight would have been too much for the people. So as a mercy things were introduced slowly and as situations arose they were rectified!
To have given all the rules and regulations overnight would have been too much for the people. So as a mercy things were introduced slowly and as situations arose they were rectified!
written by No More Confused , February 21, 2012
Muslims insist on confining the Qur’an to Religious Arabic—a language which is so hard to learn with its complex grammar and antiquated vocabulary, it’s ranked second by linguists after Chinese, as the world’s least hospitable communication medium. Worse still, even in Arabic much of the Qur’an cannot be understood because many words are missing and others are nonsensical. It’s not rational to think that God would choose illiterate people and such a difficult language if he wished to communicate his message to the whole world. It’s like using diesel to fuel a lamp and then hiding it in a swamp.
Muhammad on changing Quran
Bukhari:V6B61N559 “The Prophet said, ‘Why does anyone of the people say, “I have forgotten such-and-such Verses (of the Qur’an)?” I am, in fact, caused (by Allah) to forget.’”
Bukhari:V4B56N709 “Uthman called Zaid, Abdallah, Said, and Abd-Rahman. They wrote the manuscripts of the Qur’an in the form of a book in several copies. Uthman said to the three Quraishi persons, ‘If you differ with Zaid bin Thabit on any point of the Qur’an, then write it in the language of the Quraysh, as the Qur’an was revealed in their language.’ So they acted accordingly.”
Omar did not approve quran compilation
Bukhari:V6B60N201 “Zaid bin Thabit, the Ansari said, ‘Abu Bakr sent for me after the (heavy) casualties among the warriors (of the battle) of Yamama (where a great number of Muhammad’s Companions were killed). Umar was present with Bakr. “The people have suffered heavy casualties at Yamama, and I am afraid that there will be more casualties among those who can recite the Qur’an on other battlefields. A large part of the Qur’an may be lost unless you collect it.” I replied to Umar, “How can I do something which Allah’s Apostle has not done?” Umar kept on pressing, trying to persuade me to accept his pro- posal.’ Zaid bin Thabit added, ‘Umar was sitting with Abu Bakr and was speaking (to) me. “You are a wise young man and we do not suspect you of telling lies or of forgetfulness. You used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah’s Apostle. Therefore, look for the Qur’an collect it (in one manuscript).” By Allah, if Abu Bakr had ordered me to shift one of the mountains (from its place) it would have been easier for me than the collection of the Qur’an. I said to both of them, “How dare you do a thing which the Prophet has not done?”
Muhammad on changing Quran
Bukhari:V6B61N559 “The Prophet said, ‘Why does anyone of the people say, “I have forgotten such-and-such Verses (of the Qur’an)?” I am, in fact, caused (by Allah) to forget.’”
Bukhari:V4B56N709 “Uthman called Zaid, Abdallah, Said, and Abd-Rahman. They wrote the manuscripts of the Qur’an in the form of a book in several copies. Uthman said to the three Quraishi persons, ‘If you differ with Zaid bin Thabit on any point of the Qur’an, then write it in the language of the Quraysh, as the Qur’an was revealed in their language.’ So they acted accordingly.”
Omar did not approve quran compilation
Bukhari:V6B60N201 “Zaid bin Thabit, the Ansari said, ‘Abu Bakr sent for me after the (heavy) casualties among the warriors (of the battle) of Yamama (where a great number of Muhammad’s Companions were killed). Umar was present with Bakr. “The people have suffered heavy casualties at Yamama, and I am afraid that there will be more casualties among those who can recite the Qur’an on other battlefields. A large part of the Qur’an may be lost unless you collect it.” I replied to Umar, “How can I do something which Allah’s Apostle has not done?” Umar kept on pressing, trying to persuade me to accept his pro- posal.’ Zaid bin Thabit added, ‘Umar was sitting with Abu Bakr and was speaking (to) me. “You are a wise young man and we do not suspect you of telling lies or of forgetfulness. You used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah’s Apostle. Therefore, look for the Qur’an collect it (in one manuscript).” By Allah, if Abu Bakr had ordered me to shift one of the mountains (from its place) it would have been easier for me than the collection of the Qur’an. I said to both of them, “How dare you do a thing which the Prophet has not done?”
written by No More Confused , February 21, 2012
Whatever you can mumble jumble with words i would stand on my statement
Allah himself changed quran whatever the reason may be
and you accept it. arguing further will lead us nowhere. i close my case
Allah himself changed quran whatever the reason may be
and you accept it. arguing further will lead us nowhere. i close my case
written by No More Confused , February 21, 2012
RZQ what a logic
To have given all the rules and regulations overnight would have been too much for the people. So as a mercy things were introduced slowly and as situations arose they were rectified!
i am not talking about introducing slowly i am talking about allowing first and rejecting later. Two are different.
Also do you believe there has not been a single situation to change allah his words in the last 1400
years (though he changed with in 23 years).
e.g rights of gays? or third sex we call enunchs (although as per quran there is only males and females)
dont you think allah needs to address these issues??
I rest my case.
written by duh_swami , February 21, 2012
Both you clowns are liars...Sharia proves it...You no longer have credibility...of course you never did...
Allah hates liars...At any rate it was not me who declared Choudary's apostasy, it was irz...Only an apostate 'beats the entire Muslim population', a pious Muslim wouldn't do that...Of course maybe irz is lying about Choudary and his 'beating the Muslim population', in which case Choudary is not an apostate and irz is a liar...or is accusing him falsely...Either way, Allah hates a hypocrite...
Maybe M&PP would like me to post numerous ways listed to apostate without openly declaring it...Sharia has a long list including the one you ignored, clipping toe nails...
Allah hates liars...At any rate it was not me who declared Choudary's apostasy, it was irz...Only an apostate 'beats the entire Muslim population', a pious Muslim wouldn't do that...Of course maybe irz is lying about Choudary and his 'beating the Muslim population', in which case Choudary is not an apostate and irz is a liar...or is accusing him falsely...Either way, Allah hates a hypocrite...
Maybe M&PP would like me to post numerous ways listed to apostate without openly declaring it...Sharia has a long list including the one you ignored, clipping toe nails...
written by duh_swami , February 21, 2012
Too bad hazrat Reed Wilson is not on board to read all this hadith stuff...Haha, Malman also...Both of them are pious Muslims and both of them disclaim hadith and sharia...Oh what fun...
written by rzq , February 21, 2012
"Allah hates liars...At any rate it was not me who declared Choudary's apostasy, it was irz...Only an apostate 'beats the entire Muslim population', a pious Muslim wouldn't do that...Of course maybe irz is lying about Choudary and his 'beating the Muslim population', in which case Choudary is not an apostate and irz is a liar...or is accusing him falsely...Either way, Allah hates a hypocrite..."
You really are a low life!
Where did I call anyone an apostate???? Quote it to me scum?
You really are a low life!
Where did I call anyone an apostate???? Quote it to me scum?
written by rzq , February 21, 2012
"Allah hates liars...At any rate it was not me who declared Choudary's apostasy, it was irz...Only an apostate 'beats the entire Muslim population', a pious Muslim wouldn't do that...Of course maybe irz is lying about Choudary and his 'beating the Muslim population', in which case Choudary is not an apostate and irz is a liar...or is accusing him falsely...Either way, Allah hates a hypocrite..."
You really are a low life!
Where did I call anyone an apostate???? Quote it to me scum?
You really are a low life!
Where did I call anyone an apostate???? Quote it to me scum?
written by rzq , February 21, 2012
There are 3 exchanges with Odiwala regarding anjem choudry!
Everyone can read and see in neither posts did I call him an apostate!
Duh is doing what he does best. LIES!
Everyone can read and see in neither posts did I call him an apostate!
Duh is doing what he does best. LIES!
written by rzq , February 21, 2012
The word apostate in ref to anjem choudry is first mentioned in this post:
"irz
written by duh_swami , February 21, 2012
Mr "rent a rant". The media use him to get silly quotes to beat the entire muslim population
Then he is an apostate...Sharia says he must be killed...I thought most of you Muslims obeyed sharia...Why does Choudary get a free pass?""
Yes it was the duh the scumbag who wrote and yet he now denies it!
"irz
written by duh_swami , February 21, 2012
Mr "rent a rant". The media use him to get silly quotes to beat the entire muslim population
Then he is an apostate...Sharia says he must be killed...I thought most of you Muslims obeyed sharia...Why does Choudary get a free pass?""
Yes it was the duh the scumbag who wrote and yet he now denies it!
written by Muslim and proud , February 21, 2012
"e.g rights of gays? or third sex we call enunchs (although as per quran there is only males and females) "
Now the truth has come out.....you bat for the other side.
Now the truth has come out.....you bat for the other side.
written by rzq , February 21, 2012
"Mr "rent a rant". The media use him to get silly quotes to beat the entire muslim population"
This is what I wrote.
This is how duh the liar read it
"...Only an apostate 'beats the entire Muslim population', a pious Muslim wouldn't do that"
Pure ignorant!!!
This is what I wrote.
This is how duh the liar read it
"...Only an apostate 'beats the entire Muslim population', a pious Muslim wouldn't do that"
Pure ignorant!!!
written by rzq , February 21, 2012
This place is getting weird!
Liars and sexual deviants around here!
Still no mr m a khan! What is going on around here!
Liars and sexual deviants around here!
Still no mr m a khan! What is going on around here!
written by duh_swami , February 21, 2012
Where did I call anyone an apostate???? Quote it to me scum?
You said he beat the entire Muslim population, You said, 'Either that or get someone from the seminary in deoband to have a word with him to correct his ideas!
Beating the entire Muslim population is what? An act of a pious Muslim? Or an act of kufr? If he is not a pious Muslim, what is he? And just what ideas of his need correcting? If he is not talking authentic Islam, what is he talking? Is he misrepresenting Islam? If a Muslim misrepresents Islam, especially on going, what do you call that, Sunnah, or apostasy?
Do you have an answer for those questions or are you just going to sit there with a stunned look on your face? Come on, explain yourself...
You said he beat the entire Muslim population, You said, 'Either that or get someone from the seminary in deoband to have a word with him to correct his ideas!
Beating the entire Muslim population is what? An act of a pious Muslim? Or an act of kufr? If he is not a pious Muslim, what is he? And just what ideas of his need correcting? If he is not talking authentic Islam, what is he talking? Is he misrepresenting Islam? If a Muslim misrepresents Islam, especially on going, what do you call that, Sunnah, or apostasy?
Do you have an answer for those questions or are you just going to sit there with a stunned look on your face? Come on, explain yourself...
written by duh_swami , February 21, 2012
Oh well, I don't have all day and night as you Islamic welfare bums do, I have to go out back and retrieve a few gold nugget before it starts raining...but will return at a later time to read your profound revelations...
written by Editor, MA Khan , February 21, 2012
"Because the empire of Islam they had built stood upon Muhammad’s fabricated lies."If you have basic understanding of English, you should know that this reference was made to what Muhammad claimed was revealed to him from Allah, i.e. the Quran. The "empire of Islam" was not based on hadith, which came 200 years after the Islamic empire was founded.
written by No More Confused , February 21, 2012
"I have ABSOLUTELY no doubt that Allah (the exalted) is THE creator.......of everything single thing that ever existed and is likely to exist, from the very first day.......until the very last."
So M&P are you thinking why allah (the exalted) the creator is creating 75% non muslims and only
25% muslims???
Why allah wants to keep muslims in such a minority
dont give just a stupid answer like "many white women are converting to islam"
take some time and think first..
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , February 22, 2012
Your explanation of Q2:106 above are very deceptive. What do you think of here, that we are brainless or that we do not understand English or Arabic?
You said “ In refutation God states that He being the Absolute Sovereign has unlimited authority both to abrogate previous injunctions and to cause people to forget the injunctions He wants them to forget. However, God ensures that whatever He abrogates or causes to be erased from people's memories is replaced by something equally or even more beneficial.”
This in fact is very reason why we know that Allah is not immutable. Is not same as the God of the Bible whose wards are immutable, he honour his word more than his name. What Allah is saying is that you should not trust his word but he can change it at any time because he has the absolute power to do so.
There are numerous such inconsistencies in the Quran. When in Mecca he will say to you your religion and to me my religion but in Medina he would if anyone rejects Islam kill him. In Mecca he would say make friends with Christians and Jews in Medina he would say don’t make friend with Jews and Christians. At a point he would say don’t marry more than 4 wives at another he would say Muhammad you are exempted from such rules you are above the law. What a deceitful Allah. How someone with his brain intact believes such a delusional book as divine instruction from the Almighty God?
You said “ In refutation God states that He being the Absolute Sovereign has unlimited authority both to abrogate previous injunctions and to cause people to forget the injunctions He wants them to forget. However, God ensures that whatever He abrogates or causes to be erased from people's memories is replaced by something equally or even more beneficial.”
This in fact is very reason why we know that Allah is not immutable. Is not same as the God of the Bible whose wards are immutable, he honour his word more than his name. What Allah is saying is that you should not trust his word but he can change it at any time because he has the absolute power to do so.
There are numerous such inconsistencies in the Quran. When in Mecca he will say to you your religion and to me my religion but in Medina he would if anyone rejects Islam kill him. In Mecca he would say make friends with Christians and Jews in Medina he would say don’t make friend with Jews and Christians. At a point he would say don’t marry more than 4 wives at another he would say Muhammad you are exempted from such rules you are above the law. What a deceitful Allah. How someone with his brain intact believes such a delusional book as divine instruction from the Almighty God?
written by No More Confused , February 22, 2012
Messanger of Allah on why majority of women will be in hell.
Reading these Hadith i feel Mo was joking to women. What do you feel M&P and RZQ, I really want to know
It was narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) that women will form the majority of the people of Hell. It was narrated from ‘Imraan ibn Husayn that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I looked into Paradise and I saw that the majority of its people were the poor. And I looked into Hell and I saw that the majority of its people are women.”
(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3241; Muslim, 2737)
With regard to the reason for that, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was asked about it and he explained the reason.
It was narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I was shown Hell and I have never seen anything more terrifying than it. And I saw that the majority of its people are women.” They said, “Why, O Messenger of Allaah?” He said, “Because of their ingratitude (kufr).” It was said, “Are they ungrateful to Allaah?” He said, “They are ungrateful to their companions (husbands) and ungrateful for good treatment. If you are kind to one of them for a lifetime then she sees one (undesirable) thing in you, she will say, ‘I have never had anything good from you.’” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1052)
It was narrated that Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri said:
“The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) went out to the Musalla on the day of Eid al-Adha or Eid al-Fitr. He passed by the women and said, ‘O women! Give charity, for I have seen that you form the majority of the people of Hell.’ They asked, ‘Why is that, O Messenger of Allaah?’ He replied, ‘You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religious commitment than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you.’ The women asked, ‘O Messenger of Allaah, what is deficient in our intelligence and religious commitment?’ He said, ‘Is not the testimony of two women equal to the testimony of one man?’ They said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Is it not true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?’ The women said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘This is the deficiency in her religious commitment.’”
written by rzq , February 22, 2012
"You said he beat the entire Muslim population, You said, 'Either that or get someone from the seminary in deoband to have a word with him to correct his ideas!"
Read again: here is the original post:
"Odiwala
written by rzq , February 21, 2012
That nut job belongs to us in the uk. Andy choudry!
Mr "rent a rant". The media use him to get silly quotes to beat the entire muslim population with! He is harmless enough all mouth no trousers!
Sorry he is going to India!
The media use him to get a quote, the media then uses that quote to beat the rest of the population with.
The media. That's what happens when you can't read and butt into a conversation not concerning you!
Read again: here is the original post:
"Odiwala
written by rzq , February 21, 2012
That nut job belongs to us in the uk. Andy choudry!
Mr "rent a rant". The media use him to get silly quotes to beat the entire muslim population with! He is harmless enough all mouth no trousers!
Sorry he is going to India!
The media use him to get a quote, the media then uses that quote to beat the rest of the population with.
The media. That's what happens when you can't read and butt into a conversation not concerning you!
written by No More Confused , February 22, 2012
It was narrated that Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allaah said: “I attended Eid prayers with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He started with the prayer before the khutbah, with no adhaan or iqaamah. Then he stood up, leaning on Bilaal, speaking of fear of Allaah (taqwa) and urging us to obey Him. He preached to the people and reminded them. Then he went over to the women and preached to them and reminded them. Then he said, ‘Give in charity, for you are the majority of the fuel of Hell. A woman with dark cheeks stood up in the midst of the women and said, ‘Why is that, O Messenger of Allaah?’ He said, ‘Because you complain too much and are ungrateful to your husbands.’ Then they started to give their jewellery in charity, throwing their earrings and rings into Bilaal’s cloak.”
(Narrated by Muslim, 885)
(Narrated by Muslim, 885)
written by rzq , February 22, 2012
"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full Knowledge and is well-acquainted (with all things)." (Surah 49, Verse 13).
That is your answer to your silly argument as to why Allah didn't create all people Muslim!
Even if there was 50 Muslims on earth them that verse is valid. He(swt) created us as nations so that we may get to know one another through rightous deeds!
That is your answer to your silly argument as to why Allah didn't create all people Muslim!
Even if there was 50 Muslims on earth them that verse is valid. He(swt) created us as nations so that we may get to know one another through rightous deeds!
written by No More Confused , February 22, 2012
"That is your answer to your silly argument as to why Allah didn't create all people Muslim! "
In other words you are confirming to my argument that "allah does not want muslims in majority" he would
be happy even if there are 50 muslims including M & P and RZQ.
"Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you."
By righteous definitely you mean muslims but sorry to say after all allahs efforts by sending the best of the
best prophets Mo and sending the best of the best book quraan only 25% people could be made
"righteous" i.e muslims among the nations and tribes after 1400 years.
then why you call quran a miracle?
In other words you are confirming to my argument that "allah does not want muslims in majority" he would
be happy even if there are 50 muslims including M & P and RZQ.
"Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you."
By righteous definitely you mean muslims but sorry to say after all allahs efforts by sending the best of the
best prophets Mo and sending the best of the best book quraan only 25% people could be made
"righteous" i.e muslims among the nations and tribes after 1400 years.
then why you call quran a miracle?
written by rzq , February 22, 2012
The glorious Quran was revealed over a 23 year period. It had many rules in there. If the Quran had been revealed overnight then do you think that the people would have had time to adjust? Of course not! So as a mercy it was revealed over a period of time and as situations arose, guidance was given!
The nature of people is that they do what they do, you cannot change them overnight
As for the bible being immutable then that's a different discussion. Look up the lectures by professor Bart ehrman- a non Muslim biblical scholar in the USA. That will open your eyes!
The nature of people is that they do what they do, you cannot change them overnight
As for the bible being immutable then that's a different discussion. Look up the lectures by professor Bart ehrman- a non Muslim biblical scholar in the USA. That will open your eyes!
written by Muslim and proud , February 22, 2012
""Because the empire of Islam they had built stood upon Muhammad’s fabricated lies."
If you have basic understanding of English, you should know that this reference was made to what Muhammad claimed was revealed to him from Allah, i.e. the Quran. The "empire of Islam" was not based on hadith, which came 200 years after the Islamic empire was founded."
So please can you now confirm your opinion on the Hadith?
Do you consider the Hadith to be FACTS?
Yes or No
If you have basic understanding of English, you should know that this reference was made to what Muhammad claimed was revealed to him from Allah, i.e. the Quran. The "empire of Islam" was not based on hadith, which came 200 years after the Islamic empire was founded."
So please can you now confirm your opinion on the Hadith?
Do you consider the Hadith to be FACTS?
Yes or No
written by No More Confused , February 22, 2012
" Nothing happens without allah's will"
i am sure M&P and RZQ believe in this.
So after 1400 years 75% humans are Kuffar (do not believe in allah, muhammad and quran)
SO THIS IS ALLAH'S WILL
This is my point
i am sure M&P and RZQ believe in this.
So after 1400 years 75% humans are Kuffar (do not believe in allah, muhammad and quran)
SO THIS IS ALLAH'S WILL
This is my point
written by Editor, MA Khan , February 22, 2012
Hadiths are well-researched historical studies. In Islamic literature, no other material was produced through as rigorous a procedure as the ahadith. If only one component of Islam is trustworthy, it has to be the ahadith, more than the Quran. Our author Mumin Salih has made the fact very clear in this article: "Quran or Hadith: Which is More Authentic?": http://islam-watch.org/index.p...&Itemid=58
written by No More Confused , February 22, 2012
You are trying to say that allah does not care (even if 50 people approve his message)
but you are ignoring the fact that allah himself is responsible for creating 150 people who do not approve
his message.
written by rzq , February 22, 2012
Your argument is never ending and circular!
It is also of zero consequence.
NMC- 75% of population is non Muslim and 25% is Muslim! Why would god want that
Rzq- it's because we are created as nations so that we get to know one another!
Even if the argument was reversed you would still argue the same.
NMC- 75% of population is muslim and 25% non Muslim
You would still argue that why is there 25% non Muslims!
Irrespective of your dead end argument the consequences are non consequential!
Why is it important, why does it matter?
It is also of zero consequence.
NMC- 75% of population is non Muslim and 25% is Muslim! Why would god want that
Rzq- it's because we are created as nations so that we get to know one another!
Even if the argument was reversed you would still argue the same.
NMC- 75% of population is muslim and 25% non Muslim
You would still argue that why is there 25% non Muslims!
Irrespective of your dead end argument the consequences are non consequential!
Why is it important, why does it matter?
written by rzq , February 22, 2012
You could apply your argument to any belief system in the world!
Makes no sense!
Makes no sense!
written by Muslim and proud , February 22, 2012
" If only one component of Islam is trustworthy, it has to be the ahadith, more than the Quran"
Do you consider the Hadiths to be factual?
Yes or No
Do you consider the Hadiths to be factual?
Yes or No
written by rzq , February 22, 2012
So the gathering of hadiths was work of outstanding scholarship and everything was done with due attention. By the Muslims, centuries after death of the prophet!
Yet you argue that they could not even compile the Quran shortly after the death of the prophet.
How do you reconcile these two points in your head?????
Yet you argue that they could not even compile the Quran shortly after the death of the prophet.
How do you reconcile these two points in your head?????
written by No More Confused , February 22, 2012
"Irrespective of your dead end argument the consequences are non consequential!
Why is it important, why does it matter?"
"You could apply your argument to any belief system in the world!
Makes no sense"
IT makes sense. It shows that islam is just another belief system in the world and is not a preferred belief
system. Islam is also created by a human or humans like any other religion and allah or god has nothing to do
with it. If it was god's belief system it would show 100% performance and would slowly delete all other
systems.
Whenever a new model (of anything) having better and superior features is introduced every one wants to
grab it.
I am sure i answered to your satisfaction and from now on you will consider islam just as any belief system
without any godly intervention.
Lets close this case.
written by Muslim and proud , February 22, 2012
Mr Khan
Please confirm the answer: Yes or No
My brother Rzq has raised a very crucial point which is also very worthy of your attention......
In your own time
Please confirm the answer: Yes or No
My brother Rzq has raised a very crucial point which is also very worthy of your attention......
In your own time
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , February 22, 2012
“The glorious Quran was revealed over a 23 year period. It had many rules in there. If the Quran had been revealed overnight then do you think that the people would have had time to adjust? Of course not! So as a mercy it was revealed over a period of time “and as situations arose, guidance was given!
The nature of people is that they do what they do, you cannot change them overnight”
Is it a credit or miracle that the Quran was revealed in 23years with all the self serving and situation revelation reeled out to the gullible just to satisfy Mohammed quest for power, money and women?
Is that what you call scriptures? What will you say of the Bible revelation that lasted for more than 2,600 years yet without contradiction and inconsistencies and in harmony with more than 40 authors thoughts as inspireration of God spanning over several generations yet no abrogation rule to be applied to God’s immutable word. Because heaven and earth shall pass away but not one ditto of his ward will pass away, said Jesus.
I can understand if the Bible comes up with significant contradictions and inconsistencies but not the Quran who has only one author Mohammed, and only 23 years ministry yet the book exhibits the highest degree of inconsistencies, without chronology and lack accuracy even in recalling the well known historical facts Mohammed couldnot get it right not to talk of predictions which is the major credentials of the divine that is conspicuously missing in the Quran.
What do you say about that?
The nature of people is that they do what they do, you cannot change them overnight”
Is it a credit or miracle that the Quran was revealed in 23years with all the self serving and situation revelation reeled out to the gullible just to satisfy Mohammed quest for power, money and women?
Is that what you call scriptures? What will you say of the Bible revelation that lasted for more than 2,600 years yet without contradiction and inconsistencies and in harmony with more than 40 authors thoughts as inspireration of God spanning over several generations yet no abrogation rule to be applied to God’s immutable word. Because heaven and earth shall pass away but not one ditto of his ward will pass away, said Jesus.
I can understand if the Bible comes up with significant contradictions and inconsistencies but not the Quran who has only one author Mohammed, and only 23 years ministry yet the book exhibits the highest degree of inconsistencies, without chronology and lack accuracy even in recalling the well known historical facts Mohammed couldnot get it right not to talk of predictions which is the major credentials of the divine that is conspicuously missing in the Quran.
What do you say about that?
written by Muslim and proud , February 22, 2012
M A Khan has gone on record to say:
"Hadiths are well-researched historical studies. In Islamic literature, no other material was produced through as rigorous a procedure as the ahadith. If only one component of Islam is trustworthy, it has to be the ahadith, more than the Quran."
So all those Islam Haters out there, including the likes of Daniel Pipes, please make a note of what Mr Khan has said.
THE HADITH IS TRUSTWORTHY - MORE TRUSTWORTHY THAN THE HOLY QUR'AN
Well done Mr Khan - you deserve a medal for your refutation.
"Hadiths are well-researched historical studies. In Islamic literature, no other material was produced through as rigorous a procedure as the ahadith. If only one component of Islam is trustworthy, it has to be the ahadith, more than the Quran."
So all those Islam Haters out there, including the likes of Daniel Pipes, please make a note of what Mr Khan has said.
THE HADITH IS TRUSTWORTHY - MORE TRUSTWORTHY THAN THE HOLY QUR'AN
Well done Mr Khan - you deserve a medal for your refutation.
written by Guy Macher , February 22, 2012
It is clear that Andy Chowderhead is apostate. I am shocked that devout Muslims haven't exacted the punishment yet. Perhaps they are adopting Christian beliefs?
written by dead or alive , February 22, 2012
rzq and M&P.Are you two bros Sunni or Shia?
written by rzq , February 22, 2012
Unlike you I have a moral problem In denigrating someone else's religion.
See:
www.biblerrors.com
See lectures of professor Bart ehrman on YouTube
See debates of shabir ally against the brightest minds in christondom
See www.answeringvhristianity.com
The info is all there if you want to read it or refute it.
See:
www.biblerrors.com
See lectures of professor Bart ehrman on YouTube
See debates of shabir ally against the brightest minds in christondom
See www.answeringvhristianity.com
The info is all there if you want to read it or refute it.
written by rzq , February 22, 2012
Forgot to put the hyphen in
www.answering-christianity.com
That's the one
www.answering-christianity.com
That's the one
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , February 22, 2012
If you have any case against the Bible state it here and then.
Dr Naik and Shaby Ali Etc are liability to Islam and not assets so stop quoting them because they have no genuine arguement against the Bible.
You can go to Polumics rebuttals in http://www.answering-islam.org/ to get the well research answere to all your heroes objection to the Bible. The only errors you may find in the Bible is the copiest errors emanation from long period of coping from one scribe to anothers for a long period time just to preserved the scripture for Mankind and there are no significan error that affect the baisic message of Love which is the Theme of the Bible revelation.
Raise your personal qury for the Bible and I will answer you. Ok
Dr Naik and Shaby Ali Etc are liability to Islam and not assets so stop quoting them because they have no genuine arguement against the Bible.
You can go to Polumics rebuttals in http://www.answering-islam.org/ to get the well research answere to all your heroes objection to the Bible. The only errors you may find in the Bible is the copiest errors emanation from long period of coping from one scribe to anothers for a long period time just to preserved the scripture for Mankind and there are no significan error that affect the baisic message of Love which is the Theme of the Bible revelation.
Raise your personal qury for the Bible and I will answer you. Ok
written by dead or alive , February 22, 2012
In all religions-politics There are sects with difference points of views.Muslims included.Look at the war between Iraq and Iran in 1980`s.
written by duh_swami , February 22, 2012
You quoted yourself accurately, but you failed to answer my questions...I don't blame you, you don't have a leg to stand on...You have some ideological disagreement with Andy, and you are too cowardly to explain it...Are you afraid of him? He reads the same 'holy' books you do, prays to the same god you do and worships Mohammad as you do...I have seen some of his sermon/speeches and interviews, and he seems like a pious Muslim to me...If you think he is not a pious Muslim because of faulty ideas, you think need correcting according to you, explain them, or you have no case...Are you accusing him of takfir for no good reason, or not...I'm waiting for your reply...
written by duh_swami , February 22, 2012
Mozlem,
Is allah circumcised ?
Good question, if he has one of those things, what does he do with it without a partner?
I'm not too sure I want to think about that :)
Is allah circumcised ?
Good question, if he has one of those things, what does he do with it without a partner?
I'm not too sure I want to think about that :)
written by Cerebrum123 , February 22, 2012
I wouldn't be using Bart Erhman as your "scholar". He has been refuted pretty thoroughly by others. Especially J.P. Holding (I don't agree with this guy completely ,but at least he does his research). Maybe you should check out his work. He has a site called tektonics.org Maybe you can learn something over there.
written by rzq , February 22, 2012
Do you not see it! You are a Christian here, learning Islam from a site designed to deceive. Half cooked articles are presented as the truth. What are you going to learn???
Yet when I propse a reversal to see your reaction you Quote me the following
"Dr Naik and Shaby Ali Etc are liability to Islam and not assets so stop quoting them because they have no genuine arguement against the Bible."
The difference between you and I, is that I will not go and try to denigrate your beliefs and you are quite happy with that practice!!!
Just take a sec and think about it!
Yet when I propse a reversal to see your reaction you Quote me the following
"Dr Naik and Shaby Ali Etc are liability to Islam and not assets so stop quoting them because they have no genuine arguement against the Bible."
The difference between you and I, is that I will not go and try to denigrate your beliefs and you are quite happy with that practice!!!
Just take a sec and think about it!
written by Gnostic , February 22, 2012
Does anybody know why afghan muslims are so upset about some mistakingly burnt qurans? Why just buy them some new ones for 5 bucks each? But our peaceful muslims already killed 10 people and wounded many more, demolished shops and cars standing around without havin anything to do with this incident. What a shame for the human mankind! Muslim and proud of it - what do YOU think about the muslim mob? Is this the religion of peace?
written by Muslim and proud , February 22, 2012
"Does anybody know why afghan muslims are so upset about some mistakingly burnt qurans?"
Why don't you go out there and ask them?
"But our peaceful muslims already killed 10 people and wounded many more, demolished shops and cars standing around without havin anything to do with this incident."
Reminds me of the London riots.....
Why don't you go out there and ask them?
"But our peaceful muslims already killed 10 people and wounded many more, demolished shops and cars standing around without havin anything to do with this incident."
Reminds me of the London riots.....
written by No More Confused , February 22, 2012
Bukhari:V6B61N504
"Muhammad said, 'Every Prophet was given miracles because of which people believed. But what I have been given is Divine Inspiration which Allah has revealed to me. So I hope that my followers will outnumber the followers of the other Prophets.'"
After 1400 years muslims 25%
After 1400 years non muslims 75%
Till today muhammad/ allah claim is proved wrong.
"Muhammad said, 'Every Prophet was given miracles because of which people believed. But what I have been given is Divine Inspiration which Allah has revealed to me. So I hope that my followers will outnumber the followers of the other Prophets.'"
After 1400 years muslims 25%
After 1400 years non muslims 75%
Till today muhammad/ allah claim is proved wrong.
written by No More Confused , February 22, 2012
RZQ & M&P
LOVELY boys of islam, let us start a sensible discussion till we reach a conclusion.
Your assertion is that quran was compiled by Uthman in the form of a book..and this compiled book is the
ditto quran that was revealed to muhammad over a period of 23 years. No less No more.
I will start with 2 examples nullifying your assertion.
1. The Strong man of islam umar bin al khitab believed that quran is nearly impossible to collect and he infact
asserted not to collect quran.
Bukhari:V6B60N201 "Zaid bin Thabit, the Ansari said, 'Abu Bakr sent for me after the (heavy) casualties among the warriors (of the battle) of Yamama (where a great number of Muhammad’s Companions were killed). Umar was present with Bakr. "The people have suffered heavy casualties at Yamama, and I am afraid that there will be more casualties among those who can recite the Qur'an on other battlefields. A large part of the Qur'an may be lost unless you collect it." I replied to Umar, "How can I do something which Allah’s Apostle has not done?" Umar kept on pressing, trying to persuade me to accept his proposal.' Zaid bin Thabit added, 'Umar was sitting with Abu Bakr and was speaking (to) me. "You are a wise young man and we do not suspect you of telling lies or of forgetfulness. You used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah’s Apostle. Therefore, look for the Qur'an and collect it (in one manuscript)." By Allah, if Abu Bakr had ordered me to shift one of the mountains (from its place) it would have been easier for me than the collection of the Qur'an. I said to both of them, "How dare you do a thing which the Prophet has not done?"
2. Bukhari:V6B61N511 "Zaid bin Thabit said, 'I started searching for the Qur'an till I found the last two Verses of Surat At-Tauba with Abi but I could not find them with anyone other than him. They were: 'Verily there has come to you an Apostle from amongst yourselves.'" [Qur'an 9:128]
Your babbling that there were hafizoon of quran at all times and quran we have today is ditto what was
revealed to muhammad is exposed.
LOVELY boys of islam, let us start a sensible discussion till we reach a conclusion.
Your assertion is that quran was compiled by Uthman in the form of a book..and this compiled book is the
ditto quran that was revealed to muhammad over a period of 23 years. No less No more.
I will start with 2 examples nullifying your assertion.
1. The Strong man of islam umar bin al khitab believed that quran is nearly impossible to collect and he infact
asserted not to collect quran.
Bukhari:V6B60N201 "Zaid bin Thabit, the Ansari said, 'Abu Bakr sent for me after the (heavy) casualties among the warriors (of the battle) of Yamama (where a great number of Muhammad’s Companions were killed). Umar was present with Bakr. "The people have suffered heavy casualties at Yamama, and I am afraid that there will be more casualties among those who can recite the Qur'an on other battlefields. A large part of the Qur'an may be lost unless you collect it." I replied to Umar, "How can I do something which Allah’s Apostle has not done?" Umar kept on pressing, trying to persuade me to accept his proposal.' Zaid bin Thabit added, 'Umar was sitting with Abu Bakr and was speaking (to) me. "You are a wise young man and we do not suspect you of telling lies or of forgetfulness. You used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah’s Apostle. Therefore, look for the Qur'an and collect it (in one manuscript)." By Allah, if Abu Bakr had ordered me to shift one of the mountains (from its place) it would have been easier for me than the collection of the Qur'an. I said to both of them, "How dare you do a thing which the Prophet has not done?"
2. Bukhari:V6B61N511 "Zaid bin Thabit said, 'I started searching for the Qur'an till I found the last two Verses of Surat At-Tauba with Abi but I could not find them with anyone other than him. They were: 'Verily there has come to you an Apostle from amongst yourselves.'" [Qur'an 9:128]
Your babbling that there were hafizoon of quran at all times and quran we have today is ditto what was
revealed to muhammad is exposed.
written by Muslim and proud , February 22, 2012
Maybe you can start being sensible by quoting the full Hadith. You Islamaphobes have a very bad habit of missing the content which is the most important......allo me to complete the Hadith:
Abu Bakr said, 'By Allah this is good, nothing but good.' After that this is what abu Bakr kept saying to me again and again until Allah almighty put my heart at rest for the same view that was the view of Abu Bakr and 'Umar. Consequently, I started searching for the verses of the Qur'aan and it was from the branches of date palms, slabs of stones and hearts of people that I finally collected the Qur'an." (Bukhaari)
Debate over.
Thanks for your time and goodbye.
Abu Bakr said, 'By Allah this is good, nothing but good.' After that this is what abu Bakr kept saying to me again and again until Allah almighty put my heart at rest for the same view that was the view of Abu Bakr and 'Umar. Consequently, I started searching for the verses of the Qur'aan and it was from the branches of date palms, slabs of stones and hearts of people that I finally collected the Qur'an." (Bukhaari)
Debate over.
Thanks for your time and goodbye.
written by No More Confused , February 22, 2012
"Even if there was 50 Muslims on earth them that verse is valid. He(swt) created us as nations so that we may get to know one another through rightous deeds!"
If numbers do not matter and we are to be judged on our righteous deeds than without a doubt JEWS are
the most favoured nations of allah. they are small in number and they have excelled in all spheres of life
and they are ruling the world and in fact jews are pissing off muslims due to this fact and muslims
publically accept this fact. muhammad/ hitler tried to delete them but here we are!!
what do you say RZQ
If numbers do not matter and we are to be judged on our righteous deeds than without a doubt JEWS are
the most favoured nations of allah. they are small in number and they have excelled in all spheres of life
and they are ruling the world and in fact jews are pissing off muslims due to this fact and muslims
publically accept this fact. muhammad/ hitler tried to delete them but here we are!!
what do you say RZQ
written by No More Confused , February 22, 2012
Please read Zaid bin Thabit in place of Umar bin al khitab in my above post..
written by rzq , February 22, 2012
What do I say!
I say you are still confused and it's getting worse!
Your numbers game is circular and non consequential!!!
I say you are still confused and it's getting worse!
Your numbers game is circular and non consequential!!!
written by duh_swami , February 22, 2012
So after numerous hours, you still ignore my questions about 'your' statements about Andy's apparent apostasy...That's ok coward, I got your number...0+0=0...
written by No More Confused , February 22, 2012
Now you are trying dipping head in the sand..be a man..face it lovely boy!!
accepting defeat is mens virtue..
written by Muslim and proud , February 22, 2012
The details below totally refute this article and prove how wrong you are. What is stopping you from making a comment / responding?
Mirza has once again proved that he has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. He also has a habit of writing an articla and then disappearing when it is ripped apart to uncover he is a devious little rat.
1st contradiction:
In the opening 2 paragraphs, mirza says: "7 versions of the Qur'an"
In the conclusion, he says: "we have seen from authentic Islamic sources that the Quran was revealed to Muhammad in 7 different modes
So we have gone from 7 versions, to one version in 7 different modes. The staement in the conclusion is spot on - the Hadith absolutely makes it clear that THE Holy Qur'an (singular), was revealed in seven different ways.
2nd Contradiction:
The "About Us" section of this site says: "Having thoroughly understood—through our meticulous investigation of Islam, lasting years to decades—that Islam was nothing but a lie"
This article says: "Recently, I came across the following hadith, which I want to share with the reader."
Not very thorough after all.
3rd Contradiction:
The article says "7 versions of the Qur'an". Plural - 7 in total.
The article lists a number of questions, which include: 2. Muhammad received his miraculous Quran from his Allah over 23 long years and it was not compiled in book form until after his death.
Plural and singular use......
Question 5 is a complete disaster on the part of the Author. Have a read......mirza really messed this one up big time.
Question 6 challenges the credibility of the Hadith - the same Hadith USED TO CLAIM THAT AN ADDITIONAL 2 BOOKS WERE REVEALED....check the conclusion where it says "Apart from the Quran, there were two other books revealed to him.".......oh dear oh dear
Mirza - you did it again. You made a complete and utter fool of yourself. Well done.
Mirza has once again proved that he has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. He also has a habit of writing an articla and then disappearing when it is ripped apart to uncover he is a devious little rat.
1st contradiction:
In the opening 2 paragraphs, mirza says: "7 versions of the Qur'an"
In the conclusion, he says: "we have seen from authentic Islamic sources that the Quran was revealed to Muhammad in 7 different modes
So we have gone from 7 versions, to one version in 7 different modes. The staement in the conclusion is spot on - the Hadith absolutely makes it clear that THE Holy Qur'an (singular), was revealed in seven different ways.
2nd Contradiction:
The "About Us" section of this site says: "Having thoroughly understood—through our meticulous investigation of Islam, lasting years to decades—that Islam was nothing but a lie"
This article says: "Recently, I came across the following hadith, which I want to share with the reader."
Not very thorough after all.
3rd Contradiction:
The article says "7 versions of the Qur'an". Plural - 7 in total.
The article lists a number of questions, which include: 2. Muhammad received his miraculous Quran from his Allah over 23 long years and it was not compiled in book form until after his death.
Plural and singular use......
Question 5 is a complete disaster on the part of the Author. Have a read......mirza really messed this one up big time.
Question 6 challenges the credibility of the Hadith - the same Hadith USED TO CLAIM THAT AN ADDITIONAL 2 BOOKS WERE REVEALED....check the conclusion where it says "Apart from the Quran, there were two other books revealed to him.".......oh dear oh dear
Mirza - you did it again. You made a complete and utter fool of yourself. Well done.
written by No More Confused , February 22, 2012
You are an imposter..
"Maybe you can start being sensible by quoting the full Hadith. You Islamaphobes have a very bad habit of missing the content which is the most important......allo me to complete the Hadith:
Abu Bakr said, 'By Allah this is good, nothing but good.' After that this is what abu Bakr kept saying to me again and again until Allah almighty put my heart at rest for the same view that was the view of Abu Bakr and 'Umar. Consequently, I started searching for the verses of the Qur'aan and it was from the branches of date palms, slabs of stones and hearts of people that I finally collected the Qur'an." (Bukhaari)
this part is fabricated by you M & PEE...u acting just like zakir naik
My point is that a person like Zaid bin thabit who is least interested to collect quraan is being pressed to collect it.
Why Thabit is not interested to collect quran?
How would you trust a person's collection who is least interested in collection?
Thabit himself is accepting that he could not verify certain verses??
please accept that quran authenticity is debunked or you will further fabricate something.
you just want to stay on this site..right lovely boy?
"Maybe you can start being sensible by quoting the full Hadith. You Islamaphobes have a very bad habit of missing the content which is the most important......allo me to complete the Hadith:
Abu Bakr said, 'By Allah this is good, nothing but good.' After that this is what abu Bakr kept saying to me again and again until Allah almighty put my heart at rest for the same view that was the view of Abu Bakr and 'Umar. Consequently, I started searching for the verses of the Qur'aan and it was from the branches of date palms, slabs of stones and hearts of people that I finally collected the Qur'an." (Bukhaari)
this part is fabricated by you M & PEE...u acting just like zakir naik
My point is that a person like Zaid bin thabit who is least interested to collect quraan is being pressed to collect it.
Why Thabit is not interested to collect quran?
How would you trust a person's collection who is least interested in collection?
Thabit himself is accepting that he could not verify certain verses??
please accept that quran authenticity is debunked or you will further fabricate something.
you just want to stay on this site..right lovely boy?
written by No More Confused , February 22, 2012
RZQ
Honestly tell
Are muslims pissed off by jews ? Yes or No
written by rzq , February 22, 2012
Allow me to explain.
Let's say the rich bully in your neighbourhood drives up to your nice lawn and takes a large chunk of it. He calls it Bagram.
From there this rich guy starts damaging your house and taking pot shots at your family oh yeah he flies these machines. Let's call them drones and he kills some of your family with, let's call them hell fire missiles. Not content with that this basterd takes your bibles and disrespects them too!
What are you going to do gnostic!!!
And for your information poor afghans live on under a dollar a day.
So no they can't go out and buy a few more fore a few bucks!
Americans!
Let's say the rich bully in your neighbourhood drives up to your nice lawn and takes a large chunk of it. He calls it Bagram.
From there this rich guy starts damaging your house and taking pot shots at your family oh yeah he flies these machines. Let's call them drones and he kills some of your family with, let's call them hell fire missiles. Not content with that this basterd takes your bibles and disrespects them too!
What are you going to do gnostic!!!
And for your information poor afghans live on under a dollar a day.
So no they can't go out and buy a few more fore a few bucks!
Americans!
written by rzq , February 22, 2012
Do I think anjem is an apostate, no
Do I agree with him on some points, yes
Do I disagree with some points, yes
Do I think he needs guidance, yes!
Clear enough.
Do I agree with him on some points, yes
Do I disagree with some points, yes
Do I think he needs guidance, yes!
Clear enough.
written by rzq , February 22, 2012
What this is your new silly line of questions. Let's play along with this.
No I don't think there is a problem theologically, politically yes!
No I don't think there is a problem theologically, politically yes!
written by Muslim and proud , February 22, 2012
"My point is that a person like Zaid bin thabit who is least interested to collect quraan is being pressed to collect it."
Pay attention loser
Abu Bakr said, 'By Allah this is good, nothing but good.' After that this is what abu Bakr kept saying to me again and again until Allah almighty put my heart at rest for the same view that was the view of Abu Bakr and 'Umar. Consequently, I started searching for the verses of the Qur'aan and it was from the branches of date palms, slabs of stones and hearts of people that I finally collected the Qur'an." (Bukhaari)
Islamaphobes like you like to miss out the most important bits.
Pay attention loser
Abu Bakr said, 'By Allah this is good, nothing but good.' After that this is what abu Bakr kept saying to me again and again until Allah almighty put my heart at rest for the same view that was the view of Abu Bakr and 'Umar. Consequently, I started searching for the verses of the Qur'aan and it was from the branches of date palms, slabs of stones and hearts of people that I finally collected the Qur'an." (Bukhaari)
Islamaphobes like you like to miss out the most important bits.
written by duh_swami , February 22, 2012
And for your information poor afghans live on under a dollar a day.
You mean the official currency of Afghanistan is the dollar? Well it might as well be, America has pumped enough money in there to make every Afghan well off... but we know that the swell Muslim leaders suck most of it up before it ever gets to the people...
Let me explain this just a little further, had Mullah Omar turned over Bin Laden, Afghanistan would not have been invaded...The responsibility rests with Omar and bin Laden...The long occupying is a fools mistake because it is impossible to win the hearts and minds of Muslims who know what kufr is, and who kuffar are...The idiots under Obama still don't understand that...Or at least they pretend that they don't...
You mean the official currency of Afghanistan is the dollar? Well it might as well be, America has pumped enough money in there to make every Afghan well off... but we know that the swell Muslim leaders suck most of it up before it ever gets to the people...
Let me explain this just a little further, had Mullah Omar turned over Bin Laden, Afghanistan would not have been invaded...The responsibility rests with Omar and bin Laden...The long occupying is a fools mistake because it is impossible to win the hearts and minds of Muslims who know what kufr is, and who kuffar are...The idiots under Obama still don't understand that...Or at least they pretend that they don't...
written by rzq , February 22, 2012
And for your information poor afghans live on under a dollar a day.
That was to give idiots like you an idea! Don't play smart if you do not have anything to say!
That was to give idiots like you an idea! Don't play smart if you do not have anything to say!
written by duh_swami , February 22, 2012
And for your information poor afghans live on under a dollar a day.
You posted that not me genius...
' Don't play smart if you do not have anything to say'!
Funny thats just what I was thinking about you...
You posted that not me genius...
' Don't play smart if you do not have anything to say'!
Funny thats just what I was thinking about you...
written by No More Confused , February 22, 2012
M & PEE
Now you are really showing the signs of frustration which happens before collapse.
"Pay attention loser
Abu Bakr said, 'By Allah this is good, nothing but good.' After that this is what abu Bakr kept saying to me again and again until Allah almighty put my heart at rest for the same view that was the view of Abu Bakr and 'Umar. Consequently, I started searching for the verses of the Qur'aan and it was from the branches of date palms, slabs of stones and hearts of people that I finally collected the Qur'an." (Bukhaari)
Islamaphobes like you like to miss out the most important bits". "
You are repeating your babbling M & Pee. I told you this part is your fabrication and not part of Hadith.
My questions stand,
1. why Zaid is least interested to collect quran?
2. Why Abu Bkr and Umar are pressing a least interested person??
3. Zaid himself is confirming that he could not verify certain verses like 9:128 other than with Abi??
Most Important!!
Why didnt Angel Gabrael helped muslims collect quran??
written by duh_swami , February 22, 2012
'And for your information poor afghans live on under a dollar a day'.
You posted it not me...
'Don't play smart if you do not have anything to say'
Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you...
written by No More Confused , February 22, 2012
M &PEE and RZQ and all Islamlovers
Can you show me one single quranic verse or a single hadith advising muslims to preserve quranic verses
in text form (in writing). specially when muhammad himself committed.
Bukhari:V6B61N549 "Allah's Apostle said, "The example of the person who knows the Qur'an by heart is like the owner of tied camels. If he keeps them tied, he will control them, but if he releases them, they will run away."
Bukhari:V6B61N550 "The Prophet said, 'It is a bad thing that some of you say, "I have forgotten such-and-such verse of the Qur'an." For indeed, I have been caused to forget it. So you must keep on reciting the Qur'an because it escapes from the hearts of men faster than a runaway camel.'"
Why didn't muhammad used his last years of life to recite complete quran and advise muslims to write it?
Did muhammad himself remembered the whole quran by heart at any time during his life?
written by duh_swami , February 22, 2012
The Iranians just condemned a Christian who apostated from Islam to the death penalty, as called for in sharia...Do you think this man should be killed?
Don't be afraid to answer, no one here will hurt you...
Don't be afraid to answer, no one here will hurt you...
written by rzq , February 22, 2012
I do not agree with the Iranian government on this issue!
Plain enough!
Plain enough!
written by rzq , February 22, 2012
Dont worry about the house! In house problems are sorted in house!
written by No More Confused , February 22, 2012
'I do not agree with the Iranian government on this issue!
Plain enough!'
these are signs of change...are you leaving islam rzq?
Plain enough!'
these are signs of change...are you leaving islam rzq?
written by No More Confused , February 22, 2012
Do you think salman rushdie/ M A Khan/ Mirza Ghalib should be killed?
written by rzq , February 22, 2012
What is wrong with you?
The Quran was revealed to the prophet in snippets over a 23 year period.
Gabriel would test the prophet every Ramadan! Twice on the year of his death.
In turn the prophet would test the sahabi individually and collectively.
By the time the prophet died there were numerous Quran hafiz. In turn the Quran hafiz would teach others. This has been going on since then. An unbroken chain from the prophet himself!
The Quran was revealed to the prophet in snippets over a 23 year period.
Gabriel would test the prophet every Ramadan! Twice on the year of his death.
In turn the prophet would test the sahabi individually and collectively.
By the time the prophet died there were numerous Quran hafiz. In turn the Quran hafiz would teach others. This has been going on since then. An unbroken chain from the prophet himself!
written by rzq , February 22, 2012
I hold the opinion that if someone leaves Islam then that is their problem. The glory of god still remains. If they choose to break that bond then ultimately it is their loss.
If they walk away and live peacefully and does not cause corruption amongst the muslims then that person should be left alone.
If they walk away and live peacefully and does not cause corruption amongst the muslims then that person should be left alone.
written by rzq , February 22, 2012
You heard the term "when hell freezes over"
Even after that I would not even entertain the idea of leaving Islam.
Even after that I would not even entertain the idea of leaving Islam.
written by No More Confused , February 22, 2012
Bukhari:V6B61N511
"Zaid bin Thabit said, 'I started searching for the Qur'an till I found the last two Verses of Surat At-Tauba with Abi but I could not find them with anyone other than him. They were: 'Verily there has come to you an Apostle from amongst yourselves.'" [Qur'an 9:128]
This is incriminating. The 9th surah was the second to last revealed. If only one person could remember it, there is no chance those revealed twenty-five years earlier were retained. Furthermore, this Tradition contradicts the most highly touted Islamic mantra: Most Muslims contend Uthman, not Bakr, ordered the collection of the Qur'an a decade later.
written by dead or alive , February 22, 2012
you should be looking over your shoulder at your own bros.
written by rzq , February 22, 2012
Quran, how do we know it is the same?
There are several Hadiths in which it is recorded Muhammad(saw) speaking about the Muslims carrying the Quran with them. If the Quran as a book was not made as yet, what were those men carrying and what Quran was he referring to?
From Ibn Omar: ... 'The messenger of Allah (pbuh) said: ‘Do not take the Qur'an on a journey with you, for I am afraid lest it should fall into the hands of the enemy’’. (Sahih Muslim & Sahih Bukhari)
In fact, scrolls found by the University of Munich bombed during WW2, after 50 years of research by non-Muslims concluded that all 40,000 Arabic (most of which were ancient and within the first 50 years of the Hijri Calendar) found that they were all correct with the Qurans of that time.
It was a custom at the time of Muhammad(saw) and of the Companions (ra) to carry with them there favorite Chapters of the Quran, or new ones they were to learn on their travels throughout the known world.
Carbon dated scrolls and actually place the scrolls at the time of Muhammad(saw) and are in conjunction with the Qurans of today.
Zaid ibn Thabit was the chief scribe, who used to record down the revelation, dictated by the Prophet. After the Prophet’s time, in the battle of Yamama, a large number of the huffaz (those who had memorized the Qur’an) died. Then Abu Bakar appointed Zaid to collect all the available written versions of the Qur’an and to bring out a master copy. Since he had been the chief scribe of the Prophet, he was the most suited person for that job.
When he completed this work, he gave the collection of written materials to Abu Bakar, which he kept with him till his death. After his death, Omar, the second khalifah, finally gave it to his daughter Hafsa – one of the prophet’s wives - for safekeeping. It was from this collection of material that Khalifah Othman prepared several copies in the form of the first books of the entire Qur’an. Some of these copies still exist.
As well as stones, tablets and other scrolls which have been scientifically proven to be from the Sahabah's (ra)time are also in conjunction with today's Quran.
Thousands of Mosques throughout the known world at that time had Chapters and Verses of the Quran engraved unto their walls as can be seen in many mosques and are also when compared with today's Quran, the same text.
There are several Hadiths in which it is recorded Muhammad(saw) speaking about the Muslims carrying the Quran with them. If the Quran as a book was not made as yet, what were those men carrying and what Quran was he referring to?
From Ibn Omar: ... 'The messenger of Allah (pbuh) said: ‘Do not take the Qur'an on a journey with you, for I am afraid lest it should fall into the hands of the enemy’’. (Sahih Muslim & Sahih Bukhari)
In fact, scrolls found by the University of Munich bombed during WW2, after 50 years of research by non-Muslims concluded that all 40,000 Arabic (most of which were ancient and within the first 50 years of the Hijri Calendar) found that they were all correct with the Qurans of that time.
It was a custom at the time of Muhammad(saw) and of the Companions (ra) to carry with them there favorite Chapters of the Quran, or new ones they were to learn on their travels throughout the known world.
Carbon dated scrolls and actually place the scrolls at the time of Muhammad(saw) and are in conjunction with the Qurans of today.
Zaid ibn Thabit was the chief scribe, who used to record down the revelation, dictated by the Prophet. After the Prophet’s time, in the battle of Yamama, a large number of the huffaz (those who had memorized the Qur’an) died. Then Abu Bakar appointed Zaid to collect all the available written versions of the Qur’an and to bring out a master copy. Since he had been the chief scribe of the Prophet, he was the most suited person for that job.
When he completed this work, he gave the collection of written materials to Abu Bakar, which he kept with him till his death. After his death, Omar, the second khalifah, finally gave it to his daughter Hafsa – one of the prophet’s wives - for safekeeping. It was from this collection of material that Khalifah Othman prepared several copies in the form of the first books of the entire Qur’an. Some of these copies still exist.
As well as stones, tablets and other scrolls which have been scientifically proven to be from the Sahabah's (ra)time are also in conjunction with today's Quran.
Thousands of Mosques throughout the known world at that time had Chapters and Verses of the Quran engraved unto their walls as can be seen in many mosques and are also when compared with today's Quran, the same text.
written by dead or alive , February 22, 2012
In last post by you,You forgot to say...PBAY to Mohammad?
written by No More Confused , February 22, 2012
In your above post you used god instead of Allah (swt)
Is it sign of change?? maybe you are not aware of it
written by No More Confused , February 22, 2012
Instead of long ramblings can we stick to the point.
1. why Zaid is least interested to collect quran?
2. Why Abu Bkr and Umar are pressing a least interested person??
3. Zaid himself is confirming that he could not verify certain verses like 9:128 other than with Abi??
4. Why didnt Angel Gabrael helped muslims collect quran??
5. Why didn't muhammad used his last years of life to recite complete quran and advise muslims to write it?
Why mohammad didnt show any interest for collecting quran into one piece, the biggest asset of his life
and purpose on earth??
6. Did muhammad himself remembered the whole quran by heart at any time during his life?
Now another important question
The copy which was given to Hafsa (daughter of umar) how would you prove it was the same ditto version
which was published later by Uthman? Remember Uthman had to destroy six other versions.
If Hafsa had the final version from where originated seven versions of quran before Uthman published
his version??
written by No More Confused , February 22, 2012
rzq
can u please provide reference numbers for the hadith you quoted in the above post??
If correct and final quran was present with Hafsa than what was Uthman compiling?
can u please provide reference numbers for the hadith you quoted in the above post??
If correct and final quran was present with Hafsa than what was Uthman compiling?
written by Machmoed , February 23, 2012
Like the whole islam it is bulls*t. I mean, wasn't the qur'an encrypted in Muhammads heart? Then what are the different readings for?
BTW: The oldest qur'an manuscript is that one found at sanaa. This codex is dated to be from the end of 7th century. But without the diacritical points etc. and some words were different. In this codex Allah is called HUWA (HE). Only in some places it stated Allah.
There is an other one in Topkapi museum in Istanbul and an other one in Tasjkent. Both have been dated to 8th century. Uthmanic recension if it ever existed does not exist anymore. The qur'an of today dates back till approxiamately 850 AD when it come to evidential data.
BTW: The oldest qur'an manuscript is that one found at sanaa. This codex is dated to be from the end of 7th century. But without the diacritical points etc. and some words were different. In this codex Allah is called HUWA (HE). Only in some places it stated Allah.
There is an other one in Topkapi museum in Istanbul and an other one in Tasjkent. Both have been dated to 8th century. Uthmanic recension if it ever existed does not exist anymore. The qur'an of today dates back till approxiamately 850 AD when it come to evidential data.
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , February 23, 2012
"The difference between you and I, is that I will not go and try to denigrate your beliefs and you are quite happy with that practice!!!
No sir , the difference between you and I is that you are trained not to use your brain before believing those garbage in the Quran but I am trained to use my brain to test every spirit or Revelation with my common sense, natural law, common law, humanism, common logic and the already revealed word of God the Bible before believing any new "Angelic Gospel."
If you had been trained to test even your scriptures with even one of those parameter listed above you would not be here defending the indefensible.
You don't need the knowledge of the Bible, or be a prophet or professor of linguistics to know that Quran and hadiths are nothing but the hallucination of a mentally affected man who created Allah in his own image to deceive the gullible to have access to power, wealth and women unhindered. All you need to do is to test the Quran with your God given sense and you will be amazed to discover that it was nothing but a ruse.
I am not the type that will come and be petting you as if your beliefs system is a religion. Islam cannot be classified as a religion in the light of your scriptures. As far as I know Islam is not different from Nazism or communism or at best a tyrannical political dogma in the veil of religion. No knowledgeable people will pretend to cover such evil system just because you don’t want to hurt the sensibility of the ignorant adherence. If I make you feel comfortable in such an evil system it means I don’t love you.
No sir , the difference between you and I is that you are trained not to use your brain before believing those garbage in the Quran but I am trained to use my brain to test every spirit or Revelation with my common sense, natural law, common law, humanism, common logic and the already revealed word of God the Bible before believing any new "Angelic Gospel."
If you had been trained to test even your scriptures with even one of those parameter listed above you would not be here defending the indefensible.
You don't need the knowledge of the Bible, or be a prophet or professor of linguistics to know that Quran and hadiths are nothing but the hallucination of a mentally affected man who created Allah in his own image to deceive the gullible to have access to power, wealth and women unhindered. All you need to do is to test the Quran with your God given sense and you will be amazed to discover that it was nothing but a ruse.
I am not the type that will come and be petting you as if your beliefs system is a religion. Islam cannot be classified as a religion in the light of your scriptures. As far as I know Islam is not different from Nazism or communism or at best a tyrannical political dogma in the veil of religion. No knowledgeable people will pretend to cover such evil system just because you don’t want to hurt the sensibility of the ignorant adherence. If I make you feel comfortable in such an evil system it means I don’t love you.
written by rzq , February 23, 2012
Lol!!! I missed out pbuh and swt!
It was a copy n paste text! No changes here I assure you!
Will get to your points in a bit!!
It was a copy n paste text! No changes here I assure you!
Will get to your points in a bit!!
written by No More Confused , February 23, 2012
Can you plz answer below
Who tried his best to wipe out jews from earth?
a) muhammad
b) Hitler
c) Both
written by vbv , February 23, 2012
One quran or nine quran , does it really matter ? I would say it does. If there nine qurans , the nonmuslims would be spared of terror attacks against them , as the adherents of each of the quran would be busy eliminating each other in trying to prove that their quran is the true one. Muslim population would not be in billions but a few millions and eventually egging on to extinction. Hahahaha !!! The world would certainly have been a better and more peaceful; place than it is now.
written by duh_swami , February 23, 2012
Reminder...I asked irq if he agreed that the Christian given the death penalty in Iran was justified under sharia...
rzqI do not agree with the Iranian government on this issue!
Plain enough!
No my defeated friend it is not plain enough...The Mullah sharia court gave a sharia compliant penalty...What is there about Allah's sacred laws that you disagree with?
Or maybe you have some evidence that the Christian was not an apostate...
You are not very good at explaining yourself, so I expect a brush off answer, which is an answer in itself...
rzqI do not agree with the Iranian government on this issue!
Plain enough!
No my defeated friend it is not plain enough...The Mullah sharia court gave a sharia compliant penalty...What is there about Allah's sacred laws that you disagree with?
Or maybe you have some evidence that the Christian was not an apostate...
You are not very good at explaining yourself, so I expect a brush off answer, which is an answer in itself...
written by vbv , February 23, 2012
Talking of quran, what is so great about a babble that has distorted stories usurped from the Bible and verses , if you can call it poetry ( and Muhamad hated poetry as he deprecated or killed poets in his lifetime) ,and ample lines to justify Muhamad's immoral and violent deeds ? There is nothing about spirituality , great philosophy or something worthwhile for human knowledge or progress. It is just a manual of dos and donts in implementing the excesses and immoral oppressive acts on human freedom and creativity to regimentalise and zombify ordinary humans into willing cannonfodder of the ruling class of despots,clergy and warlords . Music is haram, dance is haram, literature is haram, movies are haram, music videos/tapes are haram,poetry is haram, singing is haram,celebrating social events like marriage or other festivities is haram,men and women socialising and talking is haram, ...etc. Infact everything but the cruel and barbaric diktats of the quran,sunna and the hadiths is haram. Human life is taken to an existence of joyless existence and misery : all in the name of that fake 'prophet' and his fake religion of islam. With nine qurans it would be nine times worse for the muslims and many more eons of backwardness,repressions and a big hellhole of existence.
written by duh_swami , February 23, 2012
Quran...There is no Allah, there is no Gabriel, there never was a Pen of Destiny and Adam and Eve were not Muslims...Abraham did not build the Ka'aba, and Mohammad was not a nice man...The entire book is a movie script of science fiction and horror...The hadith are the directors notes to hinself...
written by Muslim and proud , February 23, 2012
"Quran...There is no Allah, there is no Gabriel, there never was a Pen of Destiny and Adam and Eve were not Muslims...Abraham did not build the Ka'aba, and Mohammad was not a nice man...The entire book is a movie script of science fiction and horror...The hadith are the directors notes to hinself..."
Islamaphobic lies........from a self confessed islamaphobic liar
Islamaphobic lies........from a self confessed islamaphobic liar
written by duh_swami , February 23, 2012
'Living in fear of the Religion of Peace', The Movie, staring 'Ming the Merciless', from the planet Mongo as Mohammad...Directed by an Islamophobe...
Watch Ming grow from a two cent criminal into world wide dominating dictator...Watch him ravage the country side killing robbing and raping as he go's...Listen in and watch his conversations with the phantom Gabriel...And then the downfall...Crusaders lead by the head kuffar Buster Crabbe, invade Mongo and put a stop to the evil Ming the Merciless (Mohammad), and burned his evil book he called The Quran...The planet Mongo was freed and all the Mongo's cheered...Frustrated, Allah packs his bags and moved back to Earth...
Watch Ming grow from a two cent criminal into world wide dominating dictator...Watch him ravage the country side killing robbing and raping as he go's...Listen in and watch his conversations with the phantom Gabriel...And then the downfall...Crusaders lead by the head kuffar Buster Crabbe, invade Mongo and put a stop to the evil Ming the Merciless (Mohammad), and burned his evil book he called The Quran...The planet Mongo was freed and all the Mongo's cheered...Frustrated, Allah packs his bags and moved back to Earth...
written by rzq , February 23, 2012
Go read the whole response and no the bit you want to read!
Dopey phobe!
Dopey phobe!
written by duh_swami , February 23, 2012
Go read the whole response and no the bit you want to read!
Whole response to what, idiot boy?...Did you answer my question about sharia and the Christian? Or did you duck it like you duck other questions? Please direct me to your comprehensive and detailed report...
You see, idiot boy, the truth is often in the bits you talk about...Just like the devil is in the details...I will pick them out and comment to them as I choose, and you have no say in it...
Whole response to what, idiot boy?...Did you answer my question about sharia and the Christian? Or did you duck it like you duck other questions? Please direct me to your comprehensive and detailed report...
You see, idiot boy, the truth is often in the bits you talk about...Just like the devil is in the details...I will pick them out and comment to them as I choose, and you have no say in it...
written by duh_swami , February 23, 2012
Must be prayer time, I'm sure he didn't go to work...
written by rzq , February 23, 2012
My reply to all your questions is right there in my original response.
Scroll up, troll
Scroll up, troll
written by rzq , February 23, 2012
"
Can you plz answer below
Who tried his best to wipe out jews from earth?
a) muhammad
b) Hitler
c) Both"
Try Christian Europe.
Can you plz answer below
Who tried his best to wipe out jews from earth?
a) muhammad
b) Hitler
c) Both"
Try Christian Europe.
written by duh_swami , February 23, 2012
Duh
written by rzq, February 23, 2012
I do not agree with the Iranian government on this issue!
Plain enough!
Is that it? Is there something I missed? That's not an answer...Where is your comprehensive report...You won't really answer any questions will you, Mr evader, avoider...You have not one bone of honesty in your entire body...You keep proving it over and over...
written by rzq, February 23, 2012
I do not agree with the Iranian government on this issue!
Plain enough!
Is that it? Is there something I missed? That's not an answer...Where is your comprehensive report...You won't really answer any questions will you, Mr evader, avoider...You have not one bone of honesty in your entire body...You keep proving it over and over...
written by Muslim and proud , February 23, 2012
"You have not one bone of honesty in your entire body"
Like you've got room to talk
You confessed to being an Islamaphobic liar
Like you've got room to talk
You confessed to being an Islamaphobic liar
written by duh_swami , February 23, 2012
Was someone talking to you? Those questions are for the other deficient, not you...Does he need you to speak for him? Are you his daddy?...
I asked you the same question and did not see an answer, so I will ask it here...Do you agree with Iranian sharia that a Christian should be executed for apostasy? Do you agree that he should be killed?
I asked you the same question and did not see an answer, so I will ask it here...Do you agree with Iranian sharia that a Christian should be executed for apostasy? Do you agree that he should be killed?
written by Muslim and proud , February 23, 2012
"Do you agree with Iranian sharia that a Christian should be executed for apostasy? Do you agree that he should be killed?"
Can you please provide evidence of this so called "Iranian" Shariah and also confirm how a christian could be an apostate?
Ps. You might also want to answer a question I asked over a week ago (Do you know what Taqiyya us?)
Thanks in advance.
Can you please provide evidence of this so called "Iranian" Shariah and also confirm how a christian could be an apostate?
Ps. You might also want to answer a question I asked over a week ago (Do you know what Taqiyya us?)
Thanks in advance.
written by Duh_Swami , February 23, 2012
I have no idea - do you not hav any easier question than this liar
written by Muslim and proud , February 23, 2012
Lol
Duh
Have you finally got some decent medication?
Lol
Duh
Have you finally got some decent medication?
Lol
written by Muslim and proud , February 23, 2012
Listen liar, you need to give me easier questions
written by duh_swami , February 23, 2012
It needs to be easier than that liar - I am uneducated
written by Muslim and proud , February 23, 2012
Keep taking the medication my friend - it's finally working
written by duh_swami , February 23, 2012
Imitation is the greatest form of flattery, you are helping me become an international celebrity thanx...
Can you please provide evidence of this so called "Iranian" Shariah and also confirm how a christian could be an apostate?
Don't answer a question with a question shirker...You know fully well what sharia is, Iranian or any other brand...it was the Iranians who convicted the Christian of apostasy, and they who penalized him with sharia death, and they who said they did so...if you want to know details, ask them...I asked if you think this Christian deserves the death penalty...That's a direct question punky boy, now answer it...I wont hold my breath, you are too cowardly to answer a straight forward question...Why don't you think it over while you post a few more stupidit comments in my name...It's fun to be me, isn't it?
Can you please provide evidence of this so called "Iranian" Shariah and also confirm how a christian could be an apostate?
Don't answer a question with a question shirker...You know fully well what sharia is, Iranian or any other brand...it was the Iranians who convicted the Christian of apostasy, and they who penalized him with sharia death, and they who said they did so...if you want to know details, ask them...I asked if you think this Christian deserves the death penalty...That's a direct question punky boy, now answer it...I wont hold my breath, you are too cowardly to answer a straight forward question...Why don't you think it over while you post a few more stupidit comments in my name...It's fun to be me, isn't it?
written by Muslim and proud , February 23, 2012
You are lost moron
Somebody could be using my name also
What kind of a site is this joke?
Somebody could be using my name also
What kind of a site is this joke?
written by Muslim and proud , February 23, 2012
Why would I want to imitate an Islamaphobes?
Can you please provide evidence of this so called "Iranian" Shariah and also confirm how a christian could be an apostate?
Thanks in advance
Can you please provide evidence of this so called "Iranian" Shariah and also confirm how a christian could be an apostate?
Thanks in advance
written by rzq , February 23, 2012
Here read and enjoy:
"No more confused
written by rzq , February 23, 2012
I hold the opinion that if someone leaves Islam then that is their problem. The glory of god still remains. If they choose to break that bond then ultimately it is their loss.
If they walk away and live peacefully and does not cause corruption amongst the muslims then that person should be left alone."
"No more confused
written by rzq , February 23, 2012
I hold the opinion that if someone leaves Islam then that is their problem. The glory of god still remains. If they choose to break that bond then ultimately it is their loss.
If they walk away and live peacefully and does not cause corruption amongst the muslims then that person should be left alone."
written by Muslim and proud , February 23, 2012
"If they walk away and live peacefully and does not cause corruption amongst the muslims then that person should be left alone."
Spot on bro - completely agree
I think duh will be disappointed because he would like to hear the complete opposite.
Spot on bro - completely agree
I think duh will be disappointed because he would like to hear the complete opposite.
written by rzq , February 23, 2012
La ikra fideen
There is no compulsion in religion!
However there are injunctions!
There is no compulsion in religion!
However there are injunctions!
written by Yibel , February 23, 2012
Allah, the Exalted One, says:
"And slaughter the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) collectively as they fight against you collectively. But know that Allah is with those who are Al-Muttaqun (the pious).'' (9:36)
"Jihad (holy slaughter in Allah's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allah knows but you do not know.'' (2:216)
"March forth, whether you are light (being healthy, young and wealthy) or heavy (being ill, old and poor), and strive hard with your wealth and your lives in the Cause of Allah'' (9:41)
"Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties for (the price) that theirs shall be the Jannah. They fight in Allah's Cause, so they slaughter(others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Taurat and the Injeel and the Qur'an. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah? Then rejoice in the bargain which you have concluded. That is the supreme success.'' (9:111)
"Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Jannah), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward. Degrees of (higher) grades from Him, and forgiveness and mercy. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.'' (4:95, 96)
"O you who believe! Shall I guide you to a trade that will save you from a painful torment? That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad (PBUH)), and that you strive hard and slaughter in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives: that will be better for you, if you but know! (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwellings in `Adn Jannah; that is indeed the great success. And also (He will give you) another (blessing) which you love: help from Allah (against your enemies) and a near victory. And give glad tidings to the believers.'' (61:10-13)
"And slaughter the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) collectively as they fight against you collectively. But know that Allah is with those who are Al-Muttaqun (the pious).'' (9:36)
"Jihad (holy slaughter in Allah's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allah knows but you do not know.'' (2:216)
"March forth, whether you are light (being healthy, young and wealthy) or heavy (being ill, old and poor), and strive hard with your wealth and your lives in the Cause of Allah'' (9:41)
"Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties for (the price) that theirs shall be the Jannah. They fight in Allah's Cause, so they slaughter(others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Taurat and the Injeel and the Qur'an. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah? Then rejoice in the bargain which you have concluded. That is the supreme success.'' (9:111)
"Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Jannah), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward. Degrees of (higher) grades from Him, and forgiveness and mercy. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.'' (4:95, 96)
"O you who believe! Shall I guide you to a trade that will save you from a painful torment? That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad (PBUH)), and that you strive hard and slaughter in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives: that will be better for you, if you but know! (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwellings in `Adn Jannah; that is indeed the great success. And also (He will give you) another (blessing) which you love: help from Allah (against your enemies) and a near victory. And give glad tidings to the believers.'' (61:10-13)
written by duh_swami , February 23, 2012
You are him and he is you together...Nothing your composite self says has any credibility...You have a split personality...so many actually, that your alternate personalities also have split personalities...making you one screwed up guy(s) ...In the west that is called schizophrenia, in Islam it is Allahphrenia...You hold conversations with yourself, haha, only your Siamese twin irq understands what you say, but it also confuses him, because he can never be sure who exactly is in charge of your head at any given moment...It could be anyone...Iblis even...No wonder both of you poor guys are equally confused...I would help you, but I can't reach you from here...
written by fineliving56 , February 23, 2012
You are playing with fire ... like children usually do
Muslims like you two, have been band before for messing and spamming with this site ...
stop it ... or you will be gone ...
Muslims like you two, have been band before for messing and spamming with this site ...
stop it ... or you will be gone ...
written by duh_swami , February 23, 2012
I would hate to see them go, I was just getting warmed up...I think they may be at prayer...So I would expect them to come running in here all wired up fairly soon...
written by Muslim and proud , February 23, 2012
Joke of the month:
"I would hate to see them go, I was just getting warmed up..."
Top drawer that one.
"I would hate to see them go, I was just getting warmed up..."
Top drawer that one.
written by duh_swami , February 23, 2012
"I would hate to see them go, I was just getting warmed up..."
Top drawer that one.
Well, it's taken you long enough to 'get it', did Allah give you a revelation? Did he mention me by name?
Top drawer that one.
Well, it's taken you long enough to 'get it', did Allah give you a revelation? Did he mention me by name?
written by shahid-kafir , February 23, 2012
It won't get any funny or ridiculous or laughble than this - the way ISLAM is imposed on the world by MO .
MO=ALLA; ALLA=MO; MO= ALLA's boss . Mo has the interceding powers against ALLA in janna , in addition to the fact that ALLA always, in advance was ready to grant whatever Mo wanted to do !!!
ALLA does not know anything - but MO knows everything .
MO=ALLA; ALLA=MO; MO= ALLA's boss . Mo has the interceding powers against ALLA in janna , in addition to the fact that ALLA always, in advance was ready to grant whatever Mo wanted to do !!!
ALLA does not know anything - but MO knows everything .
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , February 24, 2012
I foresee these two guys Muslim and RZQ running away very soon because they cannot cope with the level of enlightenment the posters in this site have concerning their scriptures ( Quran and Hadith,)
You have seen that their language has changed as typical of brainwashed moron of a Muslim they are.
Just take it cool with them. They already avoiding me because I give row and then leaving them naked with their depraved message from their lord Allah.
You have seen that their language has changed as typical of brainwashed moron of a Muslim they are.
Just take it cool with them. They already avoiding me because I give row and then leaving them naked with their depraved message from their lord Allah.
written by rzq , February 24, 2012
Do no make me laugh! You present the same old tired stuff, you regurgitate it like a brainless clone!
written by duh_swami , February 24, 2012
You present the same old tired stuff,
Well you are partly right, the Quran and hadith are old and tiresome...This is because Quran is repetitious with no plot or story line...The ancient Bible writers knew how to tell a story, Gabriel obviously did not...If not for hadith we wouldn't even know there was a story...But like all stories, it is a story, and may not be reliable...There is no way that Christians or Jews can prove God ever said anything, and neither can you...Supposedly God spoke to Moses directly, but Allah did not speak to Mohammad directly...that would be shirk...To avoid that, Allah spoke to Gabriel who spoke to Mohammad...So if anything, Mohammad got second hand information that was flawed by Gabriel's inability to speak fluent Arabic...Gabriel's native language is Yiddish, not Arabic...Allah should have given Iblis that assignment, he speaks perfect Arabic...
Well you are partly right, the Quran and hadith are old and tiresome...This is because Quran is repetitious with no plot or story line...The ancient Bible writers knew how to tell a story, Gabriel obviously did not...If not for hadith we wouldn't even know there was a story...But like all stories, it is a story, and may not be reliable...There is no way that Christians or Jews can prove God ever said anything, and neither can you...Supposedly God spoke to Moses directly, but Allah did not speak to Mohammad directly...that would be shirk...To avoid that, Allah spoke to Gabriel who spoke to Mohammad...So if anything, Mohammad got second hand information that was flawed by Gabriel's inability to speak fluent Arabic...Gabriel's native language is Yiddish, not Arabic...Allah should have given Iblis that assignment, he speaks perfect Arabic...
written by Cerebrum123 , February 24, 2012
It's good to see you back (didn't notice it before ,sorry). I'm beginning to think that you are right with your more direct approach to these Muslims. Some people just need more of a wake up call than others.
@ rzq
You never answered me on why you ignore Mohammed's (and Allah's) direct orders to kill those who apostasize from Islam. As for why he said it ,its pretty obvious that he was trying to instill fear in his followers. He needed all of his army if he was going to have any more successful raids on neighboring caravans.
@ rzq
You never answered me on why you ignore Mohammed's (and Allah's) direct orders to kill those who apostasize from Islam. As for why he said it ,its pretty obvious that he was trying to instill fear in his followers. He needed all of his army if he was going to have any more successful raids on neighboring caravans.
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , February 24, 2012
Thank you my dear, I just came around to have a little chat with this New arrivals Muslim and RZQ but they are running away already. they are becoming saucy as expected and have began to forge posters.
They will soon vanish away.
I can see that you are still kicking fine. Keep on with the good work on Islam.
Cheers
They will soon vanish away.
I can see that you are still kicking fine. Keep on with the good work on Islam.
Cheers
written by duh_swami , February 24, 2012
Muslim and RZQ but they are running away already
They don't ever seem to go to work, but they do disappear to pray...They come back all fired up with the demonic spirit of Allah...
They don't ever seem to go to work, but they do disappear to pray...They come back all fired up with the demonic spirit of Allah...
written by Muslim & Proud , February 24, 2012
"They will soon vanish away."
Do you think so?
Do you think so?
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , February 24, 2012
"They come back all fired up with the demonic spirit of Allah... "
We are not afraid of their demonic spirit anyway. I only wish they will last long to hear sound gospel. Even if it is your kind of gospel. The gospel according to saint Du-swami. I will prefer it than to allow satan continue cheating on this beautiful souls.
It is better the come out first then we can then direct them to where they can find eternal life.
I can see you smiling, don't mind me, I am so drunk with this Gospel of my Lord Jesus Christ that I wish all people will come to know him as their Lord and Saviour and find hope for the eternal life.
I know soon and very soon duh will join us on the way to heaven.
Cheers
We are not afraid of their demonic spirit anyway. I only wish they will last long to hear sound gospel. Even if it is your kind of gospel. The gospel according to saint Du-swami. I will prefer it than to allow satan continue cheating on this beautiful souls.
It is better the come out first then we can then direct them to where they can find eternal life.
I can see you smiling, don't mind me, I am so drunk with this Gospel of my Lord Jesus Christ that I wish all people will come to know him as their Lord and Saviour and find hope for the eternal life.
I know soon and very soon duh will join us on the way to heaven.
Cheers
written by duh_swami , February 24, 2012
I know soon and very soon duh will join us on the way to heaven.
If I'm not in heaven now, where am I?
If I'm not in heaven now, where am I?
written by Muslim & Proud , February 24, 2012
"I only wish they will last long to hear sound gospel. Even if it is your kind of gospel."
Duh's kind of gospel is plain to see.......downright racist.
"I am so drunk with this Gospel of my Lord Jesus Christ that I wish all people will come to know him as their Lord and Saviour and find hope for the eternal life."
Mr Pastor, I have a question (hoping you have the courage to answer).
What would you Lord & Saviour say about Duh's "kind of Gospel"......
Honest answer would be most appreciated........thanking you kindly in advance.
Duh's kind of gospel is plain to see.......downright racist.
"I am so drunk with this Gospel of my Lord Jesus Christ that I wish all people will come to know him as their Lord and Saviour and find hope for the eternal life."
Mr Pastor, I have a question (hoping you have the courage to answer).
What would you Lord & Saviour say about Duh's "kind of Gospel"......
Honest answer would be most appreciated........thanking you kindly in advance.
written by duh_swami , February 24, 2012
Duh's kind of gospel is plain to see.......downright racist.
Racist? Against what race? Are you claiming Islam is a race? No on believes that fool...
Racist? Against what race? Are you claiming Islam is a race? No on believes that fool...
written by duh_swami , February 24, 2012
Islam is racist because Allah /Mohammad was racist...An Arabic God, his book in Arabic, his Messenger an Arab, his land Arabia, his language Arabic the original Muslims Arabs...Arabs are the best looking according to Mohammad and have the best hair...Blacks are rasin heads...It's obvious that Allah prefers Arabs...Allah is a racist...
written by clement-Islam-Watch pastor , February 24, 2012
What would you Lord & Saviour say about Duh's "kind of Gospel"......
Jesus has one invitation for every kind of person " come on to me he that labour and are heavy laden I will give you rest" Any other gospel preached outside Christ has no genuine rest, peace and hope of eternal life.
If you want to test the genuineness of your gospel check it with that of Jesus The New Testament of the Bible.
Do you think you understand?
Jesus has one invitation for every kind of person " come on to me he that labour and are heavy laden I will give you rest" Any other gospel preached outside Christ has no genuine rest, peace and hope of eternal life.
If you want to test the genuineness of your gospel check it with that of Jesus The New Testament of the Bible.
Do you think you understand?
written by Muslim & Proud , February 24, 2012
"Any other gospel preached outside Christ has no genuine rest, peace and hope of eternal life."
Let me remind me what you said:
"I only wish they will last long to hear sound gospel. Even if it is your kind of gospel."
So Duh's gospel is SOUND
You are contradicting yourself. Feel free to keep digging ;-)
Let me remind me what you said:
"I only wish they will last long to hear sound gospel. Even if it is your kind of gospel."
So Duh's gospel is SOUND
You are contradicting yourself. Feel free to keep digging ;-)
written by clement-Islam-Watch pastor , February 24, 2012
You seem to have problem with English comprehension. We debated here severally with Duh on his beliefs stems I don't want to pick up issue with him now. He knows when even his own kind of gospel, you should know the position of Christ and Christians as regards atheist, agnostic , Islam, Buddhist Hindus, free thinkers humanist moralist religious people. Christianity is not in the class of all those.
True Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the divine the Lord Jesus christ, isnot ritual worship but righteous through faith in Christ atoning blood. it not observance law and ordinancs and culture and tradition but right relationship with the almighty God which he made possible through Christ.
Except if you have nothing left up stair my post was very clear and I am sure Duh understand me clearly.
Ask intelligent questions
True Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the divine the Lord Jesus christ, isnot ritual worship but righteous through faith in Christ atoning blood. it not observance law and ordinancs and culture and tradition but right relationship with the almighty God which he made possible through Christ.
Except if you have nothing left up stair my post was very clear and I am sure Duh understand me clearly.
Ask intelligent questions
written by Muslim & Proud , February 24, 2012
"You seem to have problem with English comprehension."
Eh?
Have a read of what 'you' said:
"We debated here severally with Duh on his beliefs stems I don't want to pick up issue with him now. He knows when even his own kind of gospel, you should know the position of Christ and Christians as regards atheist, agnostic , Islam, Buddhist Hindus, free thinkers humanist moralist religious people. Christianity is not in the class of all those."
Try and keep a straight face when you answer this one: Does the above make any sesne?
"True Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the divine the Lord Jesus christ"
Reference?
"Except if you have nothing left up stair my post was very clear and I am sure Duh understand me clearly."
What kind of english is this then?
Would your Lord and Saviour consider Duh's Gospel to be sound?
Eh?
Have a read of what 'you' said:
"We debated here severally with Duh on his beliefs stems I don't want to pick up issue with him now. He knows when even his own kind of gospel, you should know the position of Christ and Christians as regards atheist, agnostic , Islam, Buddhist Hindus, free thinkers humanist moralist religious people. Christianity is not in the class of all those."
Try and keep a straight face when you answer this one: Does the above make any sesne?
"True Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the divine the Lord Jesus christ"
Reference?
"Except if you have nothing left up stair my post was very clear and I am sure Duh understand me clearly."
What kind of english is this then?
Would your Lord and Saviour consider Duh's Gospel to be sound?
written by duh_swami , February 24, 2012
Let me remind me what you said: "I only wish they will last long to hear sound gospel. Even if it is your kind of gospel."
Your smoking too much dope dopey POS...I didn't say that...You got your head up there where the sun don't shine again...Say hello to Allah for me when your head is up there...
Your smoking too much dope dopey POS...I didn't say that...You got your head up there where the sun don't shine again...Say hello to Allah for me when your head is up there...
written by duh_swami , February 24, 2012
Would your Lord and Saviour consider Duh's Gospel to be sound?
Certainly, all Lords and Saviors love my gospel, do you have evidence that they don't?
They hate yours, if they could get their Lordly hands on a filthy Quran, they would burn it...
Certainly, all Lords and Saviors love my gospel, do you have evidence that they don't?
They hate yours, if they could get their Lordly hands on a filthy Quran, they would burn it...
written by Muslim and proud , February 24, 2012
Not interested Duh - you have proved, quite eloquently, that you are not worth it - I remember you saying a few days ago to me : "you're not worth the effort"
However, you continued with your prejudice.
The difference between me and you is that I am not a hypocrite, therefore, this my last post to you.
You REALLY are not worth the effort.
Laterz
However, you continued with your prejudice.
The difference between me and you is that I am not a hypocrite, therefore, this my last post to you.
You REALLY are not worth the effort.
Laterz
written by rzq , February 24, 2012
"@ rzq
You never answered me on why you ignore Mohammed's (and Allah's) direct orders to kill those who apostasize from Islam. As for why he said it ,its pretty obvious that he was trying to instill fear in his followers. He needed all of his army if he was going to have any more successful raids on neighboring caravans."
The last exchange we had was your advice regarding biblical scholarship!
I apologise if I missed your question. Better late than never as they say.
According to people who have actually studied Islam and it's laws. The law and certain injunctions to kill the apostate applied to a certain period. We are no longer in that period so it does not apply. However the injunctions still apply!
See a book called sharia law by professor abdur Rahman doi.
Secondly it was not yo instill fear but to stop the spread of corruption in the first Islamic state. Think of it like treason!
Anything else you need clearing up?????
You never answered me on why you ignore Mohammed's (and Allah's) direct orders to kill those who apostasize from Islam. As for why he said it ,its pretty obvious that he was trying to instill fear in his followers. He needed all of his army if he was going to have any more successful raids on neighboring caravans."
The last exchange we had was your advice regarding biblical scholarship!
I apologise if I missed your question. Better late than never as they say.
According to people who have actually studied Islam and it's laws. The law and certain injunctions to kill the apostate applied to a certain period. We are no longer in that period so it does not apply. However the injunctions still apply!
See a book called sharia law by professor abdur Rahman doi.
Secondly it was not yo instill fear but to stop the spread of corruption in the first Islamic state. Think of it like treason!
Anything else you need clearing up?????
written by duh_swami , February 24, 2012
Not interested Duh
You think I give a rip what you are interested in pig skin? You have shown your true color 'yellow', and I'm going to remind you of your cowardice whenever you post BS which is always...You cannot best me in any area pus boy, all you can do is shoot useless arrows from hiding places...Allah really chose a winner when he chose you...that's sarcasm punk...
You think I give a rip what you are interested in pig skin? You have shown your true color 'yellow', and I'm going to remind you of your cowardice whenever you post BS which is always...You cannot best me in any area pus boy, all you can do is shoot useless arrows from hiding places...Allah really chose a winner when he chose you...that's sarcasm punk...
written by Yibel , February 24, 2012
LOL, and spot on!
One minor correction, however. Gabriel spoke Hebrew, not Yiddish (Yiddish is a form of German written in Hebrew characters).
I would also like to add that there is no reason to believe that the apparition that supposedly spoke to Qutham, aka Muhammad, in a cave somewhere and through ringing bells in his head (and appeared only to him) was actually an angel. It could have just as well have been a mischievious jinn/genii. Might have even been Iblis in disquise for all we know.
After all, this apparition supposedly pulled Qutham's leg three times while ordering
him to read, when by Qutham's own admission he couldn't read!
Qutham's god could do anything just by saying the word "Be" but he didn't teach Qutham how to read, didn't tell Jibril that Qutham was illiterate, and then gave Qutham his first surrat to READ: Qur'an 96 Al-'Alaq, Clots of Blood, ayat 1-2:
YUSUFALI: Proclaim! (or READ!) in the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who created-Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood...
Muhammad Qutham's god is none other than Marduk, the Chaldean/Babylonian high god who created humans to be his slaves from the clots of blood of Kingu, the slain husband of great dragon Tiamat. Muhammad was trying to revive the old chaldean/Babylonian/Assyrian gods. This was foretold by real prophets such as Daniel (ch 7), Habakuk, Isaiah, etc, as well as in Revelations (ch13).
One minor correction, however. Gabriel spoke Hebrew, not Yiddish (Yiddish is a form of German written in Hebrew characters).
I would also like to add that there is no reason to believe that the apparition that supposedly spoke to Qutham, aka Muhammad, in a cave somewhere and through ringing bells in his head (and appeared only to him) was actually an angel. It could have just as well have been a mischievious jinn/genii. Might have even been Iblis in disquise for all we know.
After all, this apparition supposedly pulled Qutham's leg three times while ordering
him to read, when by Qutham's own admission he couldn't read!
Qutham's god could do anything just by saying the word "Be" but he didn't teach Qutham how to read, didn't tell Jibril that Qutham was illiterate, and then gave Qutham his first surrat to READ: Qur'an 96 Al-'Alaq, Clots of Blood, ayat 1-2:
YUSUFALI: Proclaim! (or READ!) in the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who created-Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood...
Muhammad Qutham's god is none other than Marduk, the Chaldean/Babylonian high god who created humans to be his slaves from the clots of blood of Kingu, the slain husband of great dragon Tiamat. Muhammad was trying to revive the old chaldean/Babylonian/Assyrian gods. This was foretold by real prophets such as Daniel (ch 7), Habakuk, Isaiah, etc, as well as in Revelations (ch13).
written by Only Truth , February 24, 2012
"Do you believe:
1 - The author of this article: Mirza Ghalib
Or do you believe
2 - The Hadith
1 or 2?"
I believe both.
" Mirza Ghalib exposing Fabricated lies of Muhammad through well documented Hadith"
1 - The author of this article: Mirza Ghalib
Or do you believe
2 - The Hadith
1 or 2?"
I believe both.
" Mirza Ghalib exposing Fabricated lies of Muhammad through well documented Hadith"
written by Muslim and proud , February 24, 2012
Errrm,
A lie can only be exposed if the truth is known.
If Mirza is exposing lies using "well documented Hadith", then maybe you can be kind enough to prove what the truth is?
Good luck.
A lie can only be exposed if the truth is known.
If Mirza is exposing lies using "well documented Hadith", then maybe you can be kind enough to prove what the truth is?
Good luck.
written by duh_swami , February 24, 2012
One minor correction, however. Gabriel spoke Hebrew, not Yiddish (Yiddish is a form of German written in Hebrew characters).
I know, I said that to confuse the Muslims...
I know, I said that to confuse the Muslims...
written by then lie , February 29, 2012
Islam will lead for future. this fact. only one god that is Allah wollaston say in his book 1/2 hour with Muhammad.best book.
quran say about our parent.
23. Thy Lord hath decreed, that ye worship none save Him, and (that ye show) kindness to parents. If one of them or
both of them to attain old age with thee, say not "Fie" unto them nor repulse them, but speak unto them a gracious word.
24. And lower unto them the wing of submission through mercy, and say: My Lord! Have mercy on them both as they
did care for me when I was little.
all over the world back to islam.islam make afrika, asia free from romawi.thousand year they kill people there even before jesus born and then kill jesus you must think this.all the people now back to islam coz islam save our soul forever.have one god that is Allah.
Surah 112. Al-Ikhlas
1. Say: He is Allah, the One!
2. Allah, the eternally Besought of all!
3. He begetteth not nor was begotten.
4. And there is none comparable unto Him.
Abraham and his son make kakbah in makkah.now all people from all country every year more than 4000.000 come for hajj(pilgrim)
127. And when Abraham and Ishmael(grand grand father of prophet Muhammad) were raising the foundations of the House(Kakbah), (Abraham prayed): Our Lord(Allah)! Accept
from us (this duty). Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Nearer, the Knower.
128. Our Lord! And make us submissive unto Thee and of our seed a nation submissive unto Thee, and show us our
ways of worship, and relent toward us. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Relenting, the Merciful.
129. Our Lord(Allah)! And raise up in their midst a messenger from among them who shall recite unto them Thy revelations,
and shall instruct them in the Scripture and in wisdom and shall make them grow. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Mighty,
Wise.
130. And who forsaketh the religion of Abraham save him who befooleth himself? Verily We chose him in the world,
and lo! in the Hereafter he is among the righteous.
131. When his Lord (Allah)said unto him: Surrender! he said: I have surrendered to the Lord(Allah) of the Worlds.
quran say about our parent.
23. Thy Lord hath decreed, that ye worship none save Him, and (that ye show) kindness to parents. If one of them or
both of them to attain old age with thee, say not "Fie" unto them nor repulse them, but speak unto them a gracious word.
24. And lower unto them the wing of submission through mercy, and say: My Lord! Have mercy on them both as they
did care for me when I was little.
all over the world back to islam.islam make afrika, asia free from romawi.thousand year they kill people there even before jesus born and then kill jesus you must think this.all the people now back to islam coz islam save our soul forever.have one god that is Allah.
Surah 112. Al-Ikhlas
1. Say: He is Allah, the One!
2. Allah, the eternally Besought of all!
3. He begetteth not nor was begotten.
4. And there is none comparable unto Him.
Abraham and his son make kakbah in makkah.now all people from all country every year more than 4000.000 come for hajj(pilgrim)
127. And when Abraham and Ishmael(grand grand father of prophet Muhammad) were raising the foundations of the House(Kakbah), (Abraham prayed): Our Lord(Allah)! Accept
from us (this duty). Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Nearer, the Knower.
128. Our Lord! And make us submissive unto Thee and of our seed a nation submissive unto Thee, and show us our
ways of worship, and relent toward us. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Relenting, the Merciful.
129. Our Lord(Allah)! And raise up in their midst a messenger from among them who shall recite unto them Thy revelations,
and shall instruct them in the Scripture and in wisdom and shall make them grow. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Mighty,
Wise.
130. And who forsaketh the religion of Abraham save him who befooleth himself? Verily We chose him in the world,
and lo! in the Hereafter he is among the righteous.
131. When his Lord (Allah)said unto him: Surrender! he said: I have surrendered to the Lord(Allah) of the Worlds.
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