According to this Muslimah, only bad people embrace Islam to give it a bad name. Is that so?
Fresha, a Muslim reader, wrote:
peace does not cum by leaving but by exploring. dis is not abt a religion but abt sum ppl who are misguiding us to fulfill there evil desires .lets join together and make sure that they dont harm my planet..cos i luv it a lot.. pls i need support to kill the devils who r hiding behind relogion mask
Dear Fresha,
For us, we humans have similar tendency to be good or bad. But it all depends of what we take up as our guide to life. Islam is a way of life, just like Communism, Christianity or Buddhism. It's the ideology or religion that we embrace, which determines what our dominant conduct will be as a people. Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims and Christians have different types of conduct -- just because of the ideology or the way of life they have embraced. So, humans by themselves are not the problem. For a better world, it's the ideology of people that we must continuously examine and re-examine, not the people. People are simply the puppets of the ideology that drives their life.
So, as such, we don't have problems with the Muslim people. Instead, they are human brothers and sisters. Our problem is with the ideology they have embraced. So, if you have read our contents to some extent, you will find that the main problem for us is Islam -- the Quran, hadith, Sira -- not the Muslim people. A communist will behave like a communist, just because he/she has embraced Communism. The same applies to Muslims or any other religious or ideological groups.
Thank for writing to us.
Best.
M. A. Khan
editor, islam-watch.org
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Disagreeing with my reply, Fresha wrote back:
hey what you feel u left the religion and left it on its fate......wow brave...listen had u fought being in your religion itself that would have far benifited....but u chose to left...cmon one day wen all wil gob wrong then probably u ll suicide, and inspire others too....few things can not be harmed by outside but only from inside and u had that gr8 oppurtunity.. but u left...sir someone will have to get dirty to clean all the dirt....>for i know its never the religion dats bad but only the way we take its belifs.
And my reply:
"for i know its never the religion dats bad but only the way we take its belifs."
Islam's problem is with the Quran and hadith. We have produced lots of materials on that. You may want to spend a bit of time reading our author Abul Kasem's books, listed on the site -- which are purely based on the Quran and hadith. If you disagree, then please refute those works. If you can, we will close this site.
Or I may ask you to read one of Muhammad's original biographies written by Ibn Ishaq, Ibn Sa'd, or Al-Tabari, and then read the Quran. If you do that in a language you understand, you will know that Muhammad was a barbarian par excellence and the Quran was the manual for perpetrating his barbarism.
Khan
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written by Steve , November 14, 2011
If Fresha reads English as she writes it, is it any wonder she does not understand the evils of Islam?
written by aaki , November 14, 2011
This is desperate even for this place. The ex Muslim mantra as per your master sina " we have nothing against Muslims but islam itself" is clearly lies! Fake intellectuals on the phobic payroll! Maybe your mantra should be a " good Muslim is a dead one".
http://www.systemoflife.com/answering-islamophobes/abul-kasem
this site refutes little abul! I await your announcement to shut the site.
Ps tabari and ibn ishaq are not considered authentic Hadith sources!!!
http://www.systemoflife.com/answering-islamophobes/abul-kasem
this site refutes little abul! I await your announcement to shut the site.
Ps tabari and ibn ishaq are not considered authentic Hadith sources!!!
written by Mozlem , November 14, 2011
" good Muslim is a dead one".
yes they should all blow up and go to heaven.
yes they should all blow up and go to heaven.
written by duh_swami , November 14, 2011
" we have nothing against Muslims but islam itself" is clearly lies!
Clearly? Your brain is so muddied, nothing is clear to you...
You are right that Ishaq and Tabari are not considered authentic hadith sources, but they are considered authentic historians...You as a learning Muslim who does not even know Arabic, have no authority to claim them invalid...
Clearly? Your brain is so muddied, nothing is clear to you...
You are right that Ishaq and Tabari are not considered authentic hadith sources, but they are considered authentic historians...You as a learning Muslim who does not even know Arabic, have no authority to claim them invalid...
written by Walter Sieruk , November 14, 2011
The editor of Islam-watch.org wrote "We don't have a problem with the Muslim people." Yes, I also don't have a problem with Muslims as people. In fact, I pity them because the religion of Islam leads these people astray.
written by lord garth , November 14, 2011
Her pain is not unique. Countless Moslems assume that the suicide bombings, the beheadings, the honor killings, the 'raped women become adulters' problem, the killing for blasphemy, the killing innocent infidels because of the imagined crime of a different infidel thousands of miles away problem -- they assume that none of these things can be from real islam but are all perversions of a peaceful religion.
When they read the primary sources with a critical eye they are stunned. Most simply pretend not to understand what they have read. Some become apostates.
When they read the primary sources with a critical eye they are stunned. Most simply pretend not to understand what they have read. Some become apostates.
written by bundypig , November 15, 2011
The human being, in the case of westerners, has fought long and hard to have the rights we cherish. Many a life has been lost defending our right of freedom to do and say what we want. How do you have the right to judge anyone? Why not let people be what they want and if there is a judgement day, be responsible for their own actions?
The entire western value system can be summed up in this, "do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
So simple really, but I do understand how if you are taught from birth that your's is the only way, how you can make statements like yours.
The problem lies in the fact (fact) that muslims kill people that dont agree or do as they say, convert etc.
We will be free, and there is nothing that can be done to us to make us otherwise, nothing!
The entire western value system can be summed up in this, "do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
So simple really, but I do understand how if you are taught from birth that your's is the only way, how you can make statements like yours.
The problem lies in the fact (fact) that muslims kill people that dont agree or do as they say, convert etc.
We will be free, and there is nothing that can be done to us to make us otherwise, nothing!
written by bundypig , November 15, 2011
It is a music piece that sums it up for westerners, all the blood spilt for freedom...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc56moy0poA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc56moy0poA
written by VRM , November 15, 2011
The truth is other way round. Muslims hate non muslims (just for their being non muslims) and copy their life style ( not human values)
written by duh_swami , November 15, 2011
muslims love non muslims but hates their evil lifestyle
You are at war with Allah Kope...Allah makes it very clear that he hates non believers...His statement in Quran 98:6 is proof...If you love non believers, you are opposing Allah...You better hope he is is in a good mood, he is watching you...
You are at war with Allah Kope...Allah makes it very clear that he hates non believers...His statement in Quran 98:6 is proof...If you love non believers, you are opposing Allah...You better hope he is is in a good mood, he is watching you...
written by Archpagan , November 15, 2011
Yes, our life-style is very bad Jonab. We do not keep our women in sacks. They are deprived of Allah's blessings in the form of beating by husband as also 3 rival co-wives. They are also deprived of the privilege of receiving instant talaq from their husbands. We are really foolish enough not to understand your cultural relativism.
One query l Jonab. If I slap you in the face, will you reciprocate with a - 'thank you' ?
One query l Jonab. If I slap you in the face, will you reciprocate with a - 'thank you' ?
written by Guy Macher , November 15, 2011
It is not possible to be a civilized person and a devout Muslim.
written by non believer , November 16, 2011
Kope,
Just open your brains and see if you have any reasoning left there. Just because you are brainwashed (or brain flushed?)that everything in Islam is perfect should every one on earth also get brain flushed?. What is wrong in bundypig,s. quotation that you do what you would expect others do unto you? Only because Allah could not think of it or it was inconvenient for your Mohammad?. He did not want his widows to get married but was lustful towards the widows of people whom he massacred. One more Indian great sage Vyasa said that the gist of his 100,000 versed epic is "to help others is virtue and to harm others is sin." Any such humane things in Islam?
Just open your brains and see if you have any reasoning left there. Just because you are brainwashed (or brain flushed?)that everything in Islam is perfect should every one on earth also get brain flushed?. What is wrong in bundypig,s. quotation that you do what you would expect others do unto you? Only because Allah could not think of it or it was inconvenient for your Mohammad?. He did not want his widows to get married but was lustful towards the widows of people whom he massacred. One more Indian great sage Vyasa said that the gist of his 100,000 versed epic is "to help others is virtue and to harm others is sin." Any such humane things in Islam?
written by Cerebrum123 , November 16, 2011
How can anyone say that there isn't a human element to the problems of the world? Humanity is corrupt has been since "the Fall". Even the best teachings will not help. People need help outside of themselves to become better. People are not just puppets of their worldviews even though this does have an immense influence. People will inherently do the things that are evil over those that are good. This can be seen all over the world. You will find people from every ideology doing things that are absolutely horrible. Without looking at the real source of evil you will never be able to defeat it. Our sinful human nature is at the core of this problem. Lately the world has even been getting worse ,and it's among people of every ideology not just Islam. Jesus addressed the source of the problem when He gave up His life on the cross. Having a relationship with Him will strengthen a person to fight this core issue of man's sinful nature. I'm not saying that Christians are perfect. I'm saying that everybody needs help fighting their own sinful desires.This includes Christians. These desires differ from person to person. We are all addicted to sin. Just as a drug addict needs help to get off drugs all of mankind needs help fighting their addiction to sin.
written by Machmoed , November 16, 2011
I'm not saying that Christians are perfect. I'm saying that everybody needs help fighting their own sinful desires.This includes Christians.
No one is perfect, no matter what you believe. Believing is one thing and acting upon it constantly is an other thing. We are humans so, sometimes we fail in achieving something. This is no sin, but human. Taking the freedom of an other soul/human being is indeed sinful. Telling others they are wrong, is sinfull. God can and does manifestate himself in all imaginable things through different people, different times etc. Knowing this, is to know that your way is just one of the millions ways of God of manifestation. If everything around us is creation, then all truths we know are creations. Nothing more nothing less.
No one is perfect, no matter what you believe. Believing is one thing and acting upon it constantly is an other thing. We are humans so, sometimes we fail in achieving something. This is no sin, but human. Taking the freedom of an other soul/human being is indeed sinful. Telling others they are wrong, is sinfull. God can and does manifestate himself in all imaginable things through different people, different times etc. Knowing this, is to know that your way is just one of the millions ways of God of manifestation. If everything around us is creation, then all truths we know are creations. Nothing more nothing less.
written by Healer_999 , November 16, 2011
Human definitely have a choice in becoming what they are. Nevertheless, religion or ideology has powerful influence.
Lets understand this: No other religion or culture or civilization has produced ( or is producing) suicide bombers like Islam does?
Why?
written by Archpagan , November 17, 2011
My theory is that Christians are more prone to committing sin like adultery which is not a crime under modern law, because they are sure Jesus will save him/her. AM I RIGHT BROTHER?
written by vbv , November 18, 2011
Surely ,it is the muslims who are culpable for all the attrocities carried out in the name of islam. Islam is just a barbaric arab supremacist idealogy. It has no life but for its adherents carrying out its hideous diktats. It is the most backward and hardbound superstitition-ridden cult that condones any criminal act in furtherance of its domination and destruction of civilisations to impose arab supremacy. It is extremely poisonous that any convert to it is made to denigrate his ancestry and cultural roots ,loathe his fellowcitizens who have a common heritage in deference to arabs and their supremacist cult. It is a destructive idealogy, discriminating,hatemongering and violence-prone. It has no respect for humanrights, freethinking and progressive outlook. It is mired in the 7th century barbarianism of the arabs. Nothing of this is possible without the active participation of its adherents,zealots. Withoput them islam is defunct.
written by duh_swami , November 18, 2011
mankind needs help fighting their addiction to sin.
It is not mankind who is addicted to 'sin'...it is the religious fanatic with his nose continually in the Bible or some other mind warping religious book, who are addicted to sin...You simply have to have it...You talk about it all the time and are quick to label others 'sinners'...Without sin, you don't need a savior, nor massive buildings called churches to house sinners...Sin makes money...Without sin the priestly types would have to get honest jobs...
You speaking for all of mankind, is obnoxious but par for the course...
It is not mankind who is addicted to 'sin'...it is the religious fanatic with his nose continually in the Bible or some other mind warping religious book, who are addicted to sin...You simply have to have it...You talk about it all the time and are quick to label others 'sinners'...Without sin, you don't need a savior, nor massive buildings called churches to house sinners...Sin makes money...Without sin the priestly types would have to get honest jobs...
You speaking for all of mankind, is obnoxious but par for the course...
written by Cerebrum123 , November 18, 2011
Yes Islam is the only "religion" doing the things mentioned above. All I'm saying is that there is also the problem of human nature. Look at this world,and I mean really look. Everywhere there are people doing absolutely horrible things all over the world. Every night on the news you see more death,more violence , more destruction. I'm just saying that without addressing the root cause you will never be rid of the problem. Evil is not exclusive to Islam. This was the main point I was trying to make.
Yes Duh sin does sell ,but not in the way you are saying. ( a very small minority of Christian ministries make a profit like that ,and these are easy to spot. They usually are the ones saying that by becoming a Christian you will instantly become happy ,healthy ,and wealthy. This is called the "Prosperity Gospel) Sin sells things like drugs ,pornography , prostitution ,gambling etc. An excellent place to look for people making money off of sin is Las Vegas. It isn't known as "Sin City" for nothing. This is a common lie I hear about people who believe in God. No one forces a Christian to give to his church. It's a voluntary act. This is the opposite of Secular Humanism which has people pay tax dollars to indoctrinate their children in schools. A person has to pay even more money to try and avoid this blatant indoctrination. Like you Secular Humanism always talks about how great human nature is ,but how good is human nature really? Take a good look at the world around you. You live in the US right Duh? All of the freedoms we enjoy in the states are because of the founders being Bible believing Christians. Yet Christians are always labeled as "intolerant" or "bigots". It is due to Christian tolerance that we have the freedoms we do ,and not human nature.
Yes Duh sin does sell ,but not in the way you are saying. ( a very small minority of Christian ministries make a profit like that ,and these are easy to spot. They usually are the ones saying that by becoming a Christian you will instantly become happy ,healthy ,and wealthy. This is called the "Prosperity Gospel) Sin sells things like drugs ,pornography , prostitution ,gambling etc. An excellent place to look for people making money off of sin is Las Vegas. It isn't known as "Sin City" for nothing. This is a common lie I hear about people who believe in God. No one forces a Christian to give to his church. It's a voluntary act. This is the opposite of Secular Humanism which has people pay tax dollars to indoctrinate their children in schools. A person has to pay even more money to try and avoid this blatant indoctrination. Like you Secular Humanism always talks about how great human nature is ,but how good is human nature really? Take a good look at the world around you. You live in the US right Duh? All of the freedoms we enjoy in the states are because of the founders being Bible believing Christians. Yet Christians are always labeled as "intolerant" or "bigots". It is due to Christian tolerance that we have the freedoms we do ,and not human nature.
written by duh_swami , November 18, 2011
Yes Duh sin does sell ,but not in the way you are saying.
The term 'raking it in', came from The Church, where the high priest would stand on a wide porch and sell absolution, from sin, to the assembled masses...The masses were so grateful, they would throw so much money onto the porch, that other priests had to use shovels and rakes to 'rake it all in'...Religions have been selling sin, and the relief from sin, to the assembled masses ever since...And raking in lots of bucks doing it...erase sin, and the money cow stops...This is why they locked you into sin, with the 'original sin' bit...To capture your soul, and keep it captured...With no way out...And the money rolls in forever...The entire reason for sin as a concept is to exploit and intensify your guilt so that you need them, Priests, rev, Imams etc...and are willing to support them...Sinners are victims of a con game and are to spastic to see it...So they just stay guilty and keep on donating...
The term 'raking it in', came from The Church, where the high priest would stand on a wide porch and sell absolution, from sin, to the assembled masses...The masses were so grateful, they would throw so much money onto the porch, that other priests had to use shovels and rakes to 'rake it all in'...Religions have been selling sin, and the relief from sin, to the assembled masses ever since...And raking in lots of bucks doing it...erase sin, and the money cow stops...This is why they locked you into sin, with the 'original sin' bit...To capture your soul, and keep it captured...With no way out...And the money rolls in forever...The entire reason for sin as a concept is to exploit and intensify your guilt so that you need them, Priests, rev, Imams etc...and are willing to support them...Sinners are victims of a con game and are to spastic to see it...So they just stay guilty and keep on donating...
written by Archpagan , November 18, 2011
Selling of 'absolution'? I have not heard it before. Only in history, I read of the selling of 'certificate of indulgence' by pope. Like in India, medievalism and modernism exist side by side in America.
Perhaps Cerebrum123 will not try to answer my question, as he thinks it's too loaded to handle.
Perhaps Cerebrum123 will not try to answer my question, as he thinks it's too loaded to handle.
written by duh_swami , November 19, 2011
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/absolution the act of absolving; specifically : a remission of sins pronounced by a priest (as in the sacrament of reconciliation).
Usually called 'confession'...Your generous donation to the Church encouraged often demanded...Blanket absolution of many, was more profitable than private absolution...
Although the priest would do both...People are smarter now, they no longer throw money on the Church porch, but you can still go to confession if you are Catholic...just don't forget that generous donation...
Usually called 'confession'...Your generous donation to the Church encouraged often demanded...Blanket absolution of many, was more profitable than private absolution...
Although the priest would do both...People are smarter now, they no longer throw money on the Church porch, but you can still go to confession if you are Catholic...just don't forget that generous donation...
written by Cerebrum123 , November 19, 2011
You mention a question that you think is too loaded for me to handle. I'm sorry ,but I don't see a question up there. Maybe it got eaten by the administrator. Try posting it again or pointing it out to me.
@ Duh
The "absolutions" and "indulgences" are not practices of the early church ,and are in fact heretical. They basically mean that you have to pay for men to forgive you of sin. Only God can forgive someone of their sin. This was a corrupt practice by greedy people. It's not a Biblical teaching. The Bible does teach that you should give a tithe ,but this is far different than the "indulgences" ,and "absolutions". This is another example of how corruption is everywhere. I don't think they do this anymore in the Roman Catholic Church(at least they don't make you pay for it anyway). Again an example of people failing to live up to the teachings they profess to believe. Paul and other early Christian leaders worked ,and paid their own way while still running a church. You will find hypocrites in every religious belief ( I include atheism as a religion. Just because they don't believe in God doesn't mean that they don't live their lives "religously") . I would like a source on the origin of the phrase "raking it in" as I can not find it on google. I would have thought that finding at least one source would be easy. I guess I was wrong.
@ Duh
The "absolutions" and "indulgences" are not practices of the early church ,and are in fact heretical. They basically mean that you have to pay for men to forgive you of sin. Only God can forgive someone of their sin. This was a corrupt practice by greedy people. It's not a Biblical teaching. The Bible does teach that you should give a tithe ,but this is far different than the "indulgences" ,and "absolutions". This is another example of how corruption is everywhere. I don't think they do this anymore in the Roman Catholic Church(at least they don't make you pay for it anyway). Again an example of people failing to live up to the teachings they profess to believe. Paul and other early Christian leaders worked ,and paid their own way while still running a church. You will find hypocrites in every religious belief ( I include atheism as a religion. Just because they don't believe in God doesn't mean that they don't live their lives "religously") . I would like a source on the origin of the phrase "raking it in" as I can not find it on google. I would have thought that finding at least one source would be easy. I guess I was wrong.
written by duh_swami , November 19, 2011
yep corruption by greedy people, priests in this case...That's what I have been telling you all along...Your caveat that it's not in the Bible sounds like Reed Wilson saying, 'it's not in Quran'...I wonder how many other cases of priestly corruption you don't know about...maybe the corruption is wider and deeper and older than you think...Maybe this priestly corruption has polluted the very scriptures you rely on for truth and validation...That certainly is the case with the Quran...And I suspect the Bible as well...
Google is not God you know...There are lots of things google does not know...
Google is not God you know...There are lots of things google does not know...
written by Cerebrum123 , November 22, 2011
I will agree that corruption is everywhere ,but you should probably know a little more about Bible history before you claim that it is corrupted like the Quran. For one the oldest available documents we have ( some of them being several thousand years old) are still close to 99% the same as the newer ones we have. The Book of Isaiah for example the oldest known copy is 95% the same as what we have today. These differences are not only minor ,but nearly all of them are simply alternate spellings and slight style differences. Only one word is completely different and it is the word light. It may have been changed due to the fact that it was just simply easier to understand this way. Simply put what we have today is nearly identical to what we had thousands of years ago. Also not a single on of these slight differences affects doctrine. I know that google is not God ,but it is usually pretty helpful when you need to find something. All I asked for was a simple reference.
@ Archpagan
A Christian who is truly thankful to God for the forgiveness of his sins ,and the things that God has done in his life ,will do good things out of gratefulness and out of worship. Paul addressed this issue here Romans 5:20 The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21 so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
and here Romans 6:1 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
There are people who do what you say. As you can see though ,we are taught NOT to do this. Christians still sin even the ones who are sincere. I hope this answers your question.
@ Archpagan
A Christian who is truly thankful to God for the forgiveness of his sins ,and the things that God has done in his life ,will do good things out of gratefulness and out of worship. Paul addressed this issue here Romans 5:20 The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21 so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
and here Romans 6:1 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
There are people who do what you say. As you can see though ,we are taught NOT to do this. Christians still sin even the ones who are sincere. I hope this answers your question.
written by duh_swami , November 22, 2011
I will agree that corruption is everywhere ,but you should probably know a little more about Bible history before you claim that it is corrupted like the Quran.
I know enough about Bible history to fill a book, thank you Mr Egotist...I did not say the Bible is as corrupt as the Quran, you made that up...If you agree there is corruption everywhere, maybe you can explain where the corruption is in the Bible...Or are you now going to contradict yourself and claim the Bible contains no corruption...
That an old text mirrors a Bible story is proof of nothing...A fairy tale was a fairy tale 5000 years ago as a fairy tale is today...There are many versions of the Bible that do not agree with each other and it is more than spelling or grammatical errors...
I know enough about Bible history to fill a book, thank you Mr Egotist...I did not say the Bible is as corrupt as the Quran, you made that up...If you agree there is corruption everywhere, maybe you can explain where the corruption is in the Bible...Or are you now going to contradict yourself and claim the Bible contains no corruption...
That an old text mirrors a Bible story is proof of nothing...A fairy tale was a fairy tale 5000 years ago as a fairy tale is today...There are many versions of the Bible that do not agree with each other and it is more than spelling or grammatical errors...
written by aaki , November 22, 2011
This is desperate even for this place. The ex Muslim mantra as per your master sina " we have nothing against Muslims but islam itself" is clearly lies! Fake intellectuals on the phobic payroll! Maybe your mantra should be a " good Muslim is a dead one".
http://www.systemoflife.com/answering-islamophobes/abul-kasem
this site refutes little abul! I await your announcement to shut the site.
Ps tabari and ibn ishaq are not considered authentic Hadith sources!!!
http://www.systemoflife.com/answering-islamophobes/abul-kasem
this site refutes little abul! I await your announcement to shut the site.
Ps tabari and ibn ishaq are not considered authentic Hadith sources!!!
written by Archpagan , November 22, 2011
Sorry, I failed to understand the imports of Roman 6:2, 6:3 and 6:4; will you paraphrase those for me?
written by duh_swami , November 23, 2011
Ps tabari and ibn ishaq are not considered authentic Hadith sources!!!
That's true...They are considered authentic HISTORIANS...and got most of their material from the same places the Quran and hadith writers got theirs...Fairy tales...as told by the fairy tale expert of the day...Mohammad...
That's true...They are considered authentic HISTORIANS...and got most of their material from the same places the Quran and hadith writers got theirs...Fairy tales...as told by the fairy tale expert of the day...Mohammad...
written by Machmoed , November 23, 2011
Ps tabari and ibn ishaq are not considered authentic Hadith sources!!!
If authentic means true/correct then there is none actually. Not a single hadith is reliable evidencially. Buchari Sahih and Muslim sahih are not Sahih and also isnad is BS/fictive. It's lack of evidence that the whole islam seemes to be invented and implemented over a longer period along with the development of a manual (Qur'an) for the guillible. Muhammad and Ali became a name much later and after the supposedly messenger. Before that it was a political/religious statement. While at the same time, others did leave evidence. So why Umar, Ali and Muhammad and even Uthman did NOT leave any personal evidence like coins, inscriptions, notion of other nations etc etc. They seem only to exist in hadith and some fake stuff attributed to the messengers like swords, letters etc. The development of the manual (guide) you call qur'an took approximatelly 130 years.
Islam and Qur'an are from the earth invented/used/borrowed, developed and implemented by humans and only by humans.
If authentic means true/correct then there is none actually. Not a single hadith is reliable evidencially. Buchari Sahih and Muslim sahih are not Sahih and also isnad is BS/fictive. It's lack of evidence that the whole islam seemes to be invented and implemented over a longer period along with the development of a manual (Qur'an) for the guillible. Muhammad and Ali became a name much later and after the supposedly messenger. Before that it was a political/religious statement. While at the same time, others did leave evidence. So why Umar, Ali and Muhammad and even Uthman did NOT leave any personal evidence like coins, inscriptions, notion of other nations etc etc. They seem only to exist in hadith and some fake stuff attributed to the messengers like swords, letters etc. The development of the manual (guide) you call qur'an took approximatelly 130 years.
Islam and Qur'an are from the earth invented/used/borrowed, developed and implemented by humans and only by humans.
written by Cerebrum123 , November 23, 2011
Basically it says that the sinful things we were once a part of because of our sinful nature are to be dead to us ,because we are now followers of Jesus Christ. It's saying that as a Christian that we are living a new life. One that sin is no longer a part of. Basically just because we are saved doesn't give us the license to sin. I hope this clears up the above passages. There are people who do what you said above ,but they are being inconsistent with what the Bible teaches.
@ Duh
My point of corruption being everywhere was that it is in all man made institutions because of the sinful nature of mankind. The Bible is not a man made institution. It is divinely inspired and inerrant(this applies to the autographs only and not copies and translations, although even after thousands of years of copies and translations the Bible has remarkably few differences ,and none affect doctrine) . You speak of Bible "versions" that disagree with each other I would like a source on that. There are some differences in translations ,and minor scribal errors ,but they are few and far between. Isaiah is not a fairy tale then or now. In fact it has many prophecies written hundreds of years before they were fulfilled ,and in great detail. Even with what scribal and translation errors there have been it is still very close to 99% the same as the earliest known copies. This shows a remarkable amount of accuracy in the Bible's transmission over all this time. I didn't say that you claim that the Bible is as corrupt as the Quran ,but corrupted like it. I was meaning that you believe that they both are corrupt ,not the degree in which they are corrupt. You say you know enough about Bible history to fill a book. I wonder where did you get this information? How can you be sure that your sources were not biased? Have you looked at both sides of this issue? You often swallow what ever an evolutionary scientist tells you hook ,line ,and sinker ,so how can you be sure you are being objective in this matter? The thing is EVERYONE has a bias. You are bias against the Bible ,and likely used people biased against the Bible as your sources. The real question here is which bias is the best bias to be biased with.
@ Duh
My point of corruption being everywhere was that it is in all man made institutions because of the sinful nature of mankind. The Bible is not a man made institution. It is divinely inspired and inerrant(this applies to the autographs only and not copies and translations, although even after thousands of years of copies and translations the Bible has remarkably few differences ,and none affect doctrine) . You speak of Bible "versions" that disagree with each other I would like a source on that. There are some differences in translations ,and minor scribal errors ,but they are few and far between. Isaiah is not a fairy tale then or now. In fact it has many prophecies written hundreds of years before they were fulfilled ,and in great detail. Even with what scribal and translation errors there have been it is still very close to 99% the same as the earliest known copies. This shows a remarkable amount of accuracy in the Bible's transmission over all this time. I didn't say that you claim that the Bible is as corrupt as the Quran ,but corrupted like it. I was meaning that you believe that they both are corrupt ,not the degree in which they are corrupt. You say you know enough about Bible history to fill a book. I wonder where did you get this information? How can you be sure that your sources were not biased? Have you looked at both sides of this issue? You often swallow what ever an evolutionary scientist tells you hook ,line ,and sinker ,so how can you be sure you are being objective in this matter? The thing is EVERYONE has a bias. You are bias against the Bible ,and likely used people biased against the Bible as your sources. The real question here is which bias is the best bias to be biased with.
written by Machmoed , November 23, 2011
The Bible is not a man made institution. It is divinely inspired....
Inspiration is human. Now you only have to proove that it was a divine inspiration. What's the difference between a muslims claiming the qur'an is Allah's word and the bible is Gods word. Not much is it? Everyone can claim anything, but it's the proof that counts. I'm sorry but both religions are not divinely inspired. They are manmade wich is a fact to me as it is a fact for you that Jesus is God or whatever.
Inspiration is human. Now you only have to proove that it was a divine inspiration. What's the difference between a muslims claiming the qur'an is Allah's word and the bible is Gods word. Not much is it? Everyone can claim anything, but it's the proof that counts. I'm sorry but both religions are not divinely inspired. They are manmade wich is a fact to me as it is a fact for you that Jesus is God or whatever.
written by Archpagan , November 24, 2011
So, it means if you accept Jesus Christ as God you will never feel the urge to commit any sin. But your preaching - only Jesus can save us, is misleading. We Hindus have a parallel concept with Ram, the ancient king considered as God-incarnate. We get riddance from sin simply by uttering/chanting his holy name. Many thanks.
written by aaki , November 25, 2011
"So, it means if you accept Jesus Christ as God you will never feel the urge to commit any sin."
except banging altar boys!
except banging altar boys!
written by scrutator , November 26, 2011
Moderate muslims would be taken seriously if they can bring themselves to oppose and speak out publicly against the torture, mayhem, killings of non-muslims, oppression of women (muslim or otherwise) and unfairness against all non-Islamic faiths !
written by Cerebrum123 , November 27, 2011
No I am not saying that by becoming a Christian you will never have the urge to sin. I am saying that we are supposed to wholeheartedly follow Jesus ,and do what He would want us to do. Christians still have the urge to sin just like anyone else. By accepting Jesus you are in essence rejecting sin. This doesn't mean that you will never sin again ,but it means you know how serious sin is ,and that you do your best to avoid it. When a person becomes a Christian the Holy Spirit comes into their heart. When this happens you have help recognizing sin more easily ,and help to oppose the temptation to sin. The Bible never teaches that once you are a Christian you will never sin again. Paul knew this ,and he called himself the "chief of sinners." How can the truth be something that is misleading? Jesus Himself taught that He was the only way to salvation ,and it is the truth. When someone accepts Jesus as their savior they realize what He went through in order to pay for that salvation. He suffered an infinite punishment of the sins of each and every person who ever existed or ever will exist. There is only one God ,and there is only one way to Him. He made this perfectly clear in the person of Jesus Christ ,and we now have this information across the world available to those who will accept it. Christians sin ,everyone sins. That's why we are in need of the salvation that Jesus offers ,because God being perfectly just cannot allow sin into His presence. I hope I have cleared up a few things here.
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