On March 19, French Islamist Mohamed Merah killed Rabbi Jonathan Sandler, his sons Aryeh, 6, and Gabriel, 3, and 8-year-old Miriam Monsonego in a rampage at the Ozar Hatorah school in Tolouse, France. He also admitted killing three French paratroopers in two separate shootings earlier.
 Picture below is of Eva Sandler; Rabbi Jonathan’s wife. |
My eyes become teary every time I look at her. Her whole world had just been shattered by an Islamist thug.
If Eva said anything against Islam or Muslims, I have not seen it yet. However, some French Rabbis are always working on improving the relations of Jewish and Muslim communities in France. One of them is Rabbi Michel Sarfati. He told Ha’aretz, a major Israeli newspaper, that 50% of French Muslims hate Jews, because "extremist imams denigrate Jews in their sermons. Moderate Muslims try to fight this hatred, but they're being threatened."
French President Nicolai Sarkozy, seeking re-election, announced that he will not allow several Muslim clerics to attend an Islamic conference next month.
While Sarkozy’s steps against preaching by extremist Islamic scholars in France are good, they only offer a superficial solution to a substantial problem.
Two years ago, I visited my homeland in the Middle East. Supposedly, the Arab countries “agreed” to a trend of “normalization” of relations with Israel. Yet, I was not surprised to see that hatred of the Jews is still the main Menu of Arab political talks in the media and on the streets. A TV show was geared toward showing how the “Evil Nature” of the Jews prevails. Two supposedly Jewish men were discussing how to get a Christian and get his blood for a certain Jewish tradition and celebration. How evil is the Arab media against the Jews is beyond my comprehension.
The problem of Muslims’ hating and trying to eliminate the Jews from Israel and elsewhere, and Christians from Arab-Islamic countries, is mainly instigated by Islam. Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, was the main actor in this tragic story of hatred. The reason: the Jews and Christians had rejected Muhammad’s claim to prophecy; some even called him a con-man.
When Muhammad migrated to Medina, Medinan tribes welcomed him. They were mostly Jewish tribes. Despite his many attempts, those Jewish tribes rejected Muhammad’s claim to prophethood. They knew that a true prophet does not go about making a living out of desert robberies of commercial caravans. Their Jewish tradition told them that true prophets are not robbers. They do not rob other people of their commercial livelihood. So, they rejected Muhammad and Muhammad turned against them and eliminated one Jewish after another from Medina and beyond.
Muhammad saturated his Qur’an with hateful verses toward the Jews, Christians, and Polytheists, and any group that rejected his message. He obtained revenge against all of them when he collected enough men to attack the different tribes of Arabia.
As an example of Muhammad’s hatred toward the Jews, look at those Qur’anic Jewels:
- And verily, you will find them (the Jews) the greediest of mankind for life and (even greedier) than those who ascribe partners to Allah (and do not believe in Resurrection - Majus, pagans, and idolaters). Everyone of them wishes that he could be given a life of a thousand years. But the grant of such life will not save him even a little from (due) punishment. And Allah is All-Seer of what they do. (Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #96)
- Neither those who disbelieve among the people of the Scripture (jews and Christians) nor Al-Mushrikun (the idolaters, polytheists, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah, pagans, etc.) like that there should be sent down unto you any good from your Lord. But Allah chooses for His Mercy whom He wills. And Allah is the Owner of Great Bounty. (Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #105)
- Never will the jews nor the Christians be pleased with you (O Muhammad) till you follow their religion. Say: "Verily, the Guidance of Allah (i.e. Islamic Monotheism) that is the (only) Guidance. And if you (O Muhammad) were to follow their (jews and Christians) desires after what you have received of Knowledge (i.e. the Qur'an), then you would have against Allah neither any Wali (protector or guardian) nor any helper. (Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #120)
- And indeed you knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath (i.e. Saturday). We said to them: "Be you, despised and rejected." (Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #65)
This is just a quick sample from the Qur’an. Hadith books do not fair any better. Here is a sample:
- Narrated 'Aisha and 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas: When the last moment of the life of Allah's Apostle came he started putting his 'Khamisa' on his face and when he felt hot and short of breath he took it off his face and said, "May Allah curse the jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of their Prophets." The Prophet was warning (Muslims) of what those had done. (Bukhari: Book #8, Hadith #427)
- Narrated 'Aisha: Allah's Apostle in his fatal illness said, "Allah cursed the jews and the christians, for they built the places of worship at the graves of their prophets." And if that had not been the case, then the Prophet's grave would have been made prominent before the people. So (the Prophet) was afraid, or the people were afraid that his grave might be taken as a place for worship. (Bukhari: Book #23, Hadith #472)
- It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the jews and christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim. (Muslim: Book #019, Hadith #4366)
- Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do not greet the jews and the christians before they greet you and when you meet any one of them on the roads force him to go to the narrowest part of it. (Muslim: Book #026, Hadith #5389)
In summary, Islam’s holy books are saturated with hatred toward the Jews. It is something that Muslim youths learn right from the time they are still being nurtured with the milk of their mothers.
For a True Muslim, hating the Jews is part of the religion he believes in. Allah, the Muslim god, mandated it. The only way out is by leaving Islam, rejecting the mandates of a 6th century primitive religion, and rejecting Muhammad and his Evil teaching.
I still maintain the view that there is nothing good in Islam. By nothing I mean Nothing. Yes, Islam has good teaching like caring for your parents etc. However those teaching are not Muslim teachings. Those ethical values have existed among all races and peoples for ages before the coming of Islam. Islam teaches them to make Islam look good. It is like putting perfume on an innately stinky matter. It may cover the smell for a few seconds. But, in the end, what stinks come alive. Why hate the Jews? Why hate any group of people for that matter? It is morally wrong. Period!
In the last few months, I became convinced that shaming Muslims is a good thing. There are multiplicity of things one can shame Muslims for. This is a peaceful strategy to show Muslims how evil Islam is. Muslims ought to be shamed for hating the Jews, the Christians, and the Polytheists. Why should another human being be considered a “lower class” just because he/she believes different? Muslims should be shamed for believing that a country can be Islamic since this is affirmative discrimination against all others. Muslims should be ashamed of levying Jizya tax upon non-Muslims just because they are not Muslims. There are many venues we can shame Muslims about. It is a policy not intended to put down anyone, but to put down Islam and its draconian teachings.
Earlier in this article, I mentioned that Rabbi Michel Sarfati said that 50% of Muslims in France hate the Jews. My suspicion is that he is way off and the percentage is much higher. As a member of a free society, we need to shame Muslims about such statistic. Islam has to be defeated. No other alternative is possible.
I do get frustrated many a time in combating Islam in a peaceful manner; a method I believe in. My frustration grows and grows. But when I see the face of the agony because of Islam, as we see it on Eva Sandler’s face in the picture I presented earlier, I get renewed determination to combat this Evil and stay the course.
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written by vbv , April 05, 2012
Jews have grown out of those outlandish and irrational things found in the Bokks of Genesis and Duetronomy. They have produced many of the greatest scientists and thinkers over the last two centuries. And they have also received the highest number of Noble Prizes. What have muslims got to show except the stupid, irrational writings of quran and hadiths ,which take you back to the 7th century CE, that you are locked in a time-warp of stone-age beliefs and idiocy. Only the mullahs and the clergy profit by it keeping the people ignorant, uneducated, stupid and superstitious.Muslims claim the 'divine' right to usurp everything , and if they cannot they resort to murder and loot. That is the innate value system found in islam. The muslims gloat over brutal conquests and forcible conversion to islam of the conquered populace, while they resent if others do the same to them. They are poor losers, very sore losers. They would resort to terror tactics , murde, bombing, raping etc to impose their filthy ,barbaric cult and their criminal code 'sharia' on others . That is how islam has grown, not by moral and spiritual values, but by violence and barbaric behaviour.
written by Rzq , April 05, 2012
Let me firstly make it clear that the actions of that young man were deplorable and nobody in their right mind can condone such behaviour!
Now to the rest of this diatribe by this self depricating Arab!
Hey ibn maybe you can spare a tear or two.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEbFl-NWxMo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Hyppocrite!
Now to the rest of this diatribe by this self depricating Arab!
Hey ibn maybe you can spare a tear or two.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEbFl-NWxMo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Hyppocrite!
written by Infidel and More Proud , April 05, 2012
what about the tears for all Shia Sunni strife in Pakistan. Muslims killing muslims?
What about all the ahmedis being persequted and killed in pakistan?
Is it Isrealites killing them?
What about all the ahmedis being persequted and killed in pakistan?
Is it Isrealites killing them?
written by Rzq , April 05, 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ta_player
What does this israeli cartoon tell you. Yet you only whine about the Arab side! Is that fair??? Only in your self depricating eyes!
Here we go, you really want to pull Jewish scripture to tell you what Jews think of non Jews? Your hyppocracy knows no bounds.
"I still maintain the view that there is nothing good in Islam. By nothing I mean Nothing"
Ignorant fool!
written by Rzq , April 05, 2012
Your writing but your masters words- sina should be ashamed at producing an incompetent student like you ibn.
"I do get frustrated many a time in combating Islam in a peaceful manner; a method I believe in. My frustration grows and grows"
Yep it's going to grow alright especially when Islam is growing!
"I do get frustrated many a time in combating Islam in a peaceful manner; a method I believe in. My frustration grows and grows"
Yep it's going to grow alright especially when Islam is growing!
written by Fight Islam , April 05, 2012
Once the West can convince themselves that Islam need to be defeated, the west can easily eliminate Islam from the face of the earth within months or years. The west had convinced themselves that Nazism and communism are bad ideology and need to be defeated. Within months and years both of these ideology are being defeated.
It is so clear that Islam is an very bad ideology, worst than Nazism and communism, but hiding behind a so called religion. Islam is using religion as the the sheep's coat to hide the real wolf, the most racist, facist, tyranny ideology the world ever known. We do not need to fight Islam to defeat Islam. Once the non muslim world and the doubtful muslim can have a concensus that we need to eliminate Islam to save the world, Islam will be defeated.
It is so clear that Islam is an very bad ideology, worst than Nazism and communism, but hiding behind a so called religion. Islam is using religion as the the sheep's coat to hide the real wolf, the most racist, facist, tyranny ideology the world ever known. We do not need to fight Islam to defeat Islam. Once the non muslim world and the doubtful muslim can have a concensus that we need to eliminate Islam to save the world, Islam will be defeated.
written by Clement-Islam Watch- Pastor , April 05, 2012
what a primitive morality to regard such a hate creed as the Quran as a book of spiritual guaidance that will take any body anywhere
Imaging Mohammed after he stole some few scriptures from the Jews and Christians and after he has approved of all pagan rituals and idolataries only to around to destroy the people that gave him the materials to create his cult. which kind of morality is that?
This is the Morality that all Muslims are proud of. The hate morality.
Imaging Mohammed after he stole some few scriptures from the Jews and Christians and after he has approved of all pagan rituals and idolataries only to around to destroy the people that gave him the materials to create his cult. which kind of morality is that?
This is the Morality that all Muslims are proud of. The hate morality.
written by Salladin , April 05, 2012
Many muslims in France are voting against islamists. Sharia will not be the law in Europe ever and muslims themselfes will fight those who propagate it, like it is now. Muslims are loosing terain everywhere. No civilized person want the toilet law of sharia! Go muslims, throw those jihadists and preechers out. Watch out Rzq, the police may be at your door!
written by bundypig , April 05, 2012
rzqueen has gotten his panties up his crack, he's freaking out hahahaha
written by IK , April 05, 2012
Dear RZQ
Muslims are leaving Islam everywhere. You can attack my person. But I am not your problem. Islam is. Millions are leaving Islam Mr. RZQ. Did you hear me? Millions. In Egypt there are Bible study groups. All members are former Muslim Imams. Anyone who is willing to study Islam and learn Muhammad's life and teachings will leave Islam.
Have a good day Sir.
I wish you the best
Muslims are leaving Islam everywhere. You can attack my person. But I am not your problem. Islam is. Millions are leaving Islam Mr. RZQ. Did you hear me? Millions. In Egypt there are Bible study groups. All members are former Muslim Imams. Anyone who is willing to study Islam and learn Muhammad's life and teachings will leave Islam.
Have a good day Sir.
I wish you the best
written by NoJIzya , April 05, 2012
It is time for us all to take a hard line. No dialog. No debate. Treat Muslims as you would members of the KKK or New Black Panthers. They do not deserve your respect and you should not act as though they do.
written by Rzq , April 05, 2012
Let me thank you firstly for having the courage to reply. Alot of the authors on this site do not have that in them.
"millions are leaving everyday" I want you to hold on to that last shred of hope you have. For an ex Muslim who claims to have studied Islam you remain ignorant and that's a sorry sight!
Read and weep
"(Mohammed 47:38] Yes, undoubtedly it is you who are being called, that you may spend in Allah’s way; so some among you act miserly; and whoever is miserly, is being a miser upon himself; and Allah is the Independent (Wealthy - Not requiring anything), whereas you all are needy; and if you renege, He will replace you with other people - and they will not be like you"
So please tell those millions of so called Egyptian imams that they have been replaced by a people who are more steadfast and more rightous!
"millions are leaving everyday" I want you to hold on to that last shred of hope you have. For an ex Muslim who claims to have studied Islam you remain ignorant and that's a sorry sight!
Read and weep
"(Mohammed 47:38] Yes, undoubtedly it is you who are being called, that you may spend in Allah’s way; so some among you act miserly; and whoever is miserly, is being a miser upon himself; and Allah is the Independent (Wealthy - Not requiring anything), whereas you all are needy; and if you renege, He will replace you with other people - and they will not be like you"
So please tell those millions of so called Egyptian imams that they have been replaced by a people who are more steadfast and more rightous!
written by Muslim and proud , April 05, 2012
"(Mohammed 47:38] Yes, undoubtedly it is you who are being called, that you may spend in Allah’s way; so some among you act miserly; and whoever is miserly, is being a miser upon himself; and Allah is the Independent (Wealthy - Not requiring anything), whereas you all are needy; and if you renege, He will replace you with other people - and they will not be like you"
Spot on.
IK said:
Millions are leaving Islam Mr. RZQ. Did you hear me? Millions.
What about those who are embracing Islam?
It's no surprise to see IK bring a one sided story to the table.
From the article:
When Muhammad migrated to Medina, Medinan tribes welcomed him. They were mostly Jewish tribes.
Check this link and read page 146, where another enemy of Islam, Richard Crandall has refuted you:
http://books.google.co.uk/book...e+muhamma
d&source=bl&ots=qvZ8WbAOv4&sig=jrxDqTYRfKH_P_un-ASLkvMWVek&hl=en&sa=X&ei=XiN-T7WUNtTx8QOBmcS2Dg&ved=0CGYQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=the jewish tribes of madinah did not welcome muhammad&f=false
It says on page 146 (re the arrival of muslims in Medina):
"Among those who did NOT WELCOME Muhammad and his followers were the twenty JEWISH tribes....."
Your own kuffar brother disagrees with you.......loser!
written by Rzq , April 05, 2012
Salams m an p!!
Those Muslims and imams that IK speaks if are the people who recited but never understood, they offered their prayer with no imaan or ehsaan. They are the ones who neglected their fasts. They are the ones who refused to feed the orphans with their wealth. They are the type that never understood the values if the house of Allah(swt). You can keep those people. They have been replaced by people who are better. You know this but yet you deny this!!!
Those Muslims and imams that IK speaks if are the people who recited but never understood, they offered their prayer with no imaan or ehsaan. They are the ones who neglected their fasts. They are the ones who refused to feed the orphans with their wealth. They are the type that never understood the values if the house of Allah(swt). You can keep those people. They have been replaced by people who are better. You know this but yet you deny this!!!
written by CGW , April 05, 2012
This is one of the most despicable and appalling things that I have seen musloids do and say as of late, although it is all too typical. (Comment is in multiple parts.)
Check this out:
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/3390.htm
Transcript:
Following are excerpts from an address by Algerian cleric Ali Belhadj, former vice-president of the Islamic Salvation Front, in the course of which a Muslim with dual nationality demonstratively tears up his French passport. The footage was posted on the Internet on March 30, 2012.
Ali Belhadj : Yesterday, I saw that despicable man, Sarkozy of France. Forgive me. I brought important things to talk about, but sometimes, there are things that make one go off on a tangent.
I saw the father of [Toulouse terrorist] Merah, Allah's mercy upon him...
Crowd : Allah's mercy upon him...
Ali Belhadj : He asked for his son to be buried in Algeria. True, he was a French citizen and was supposed to be buried in France, but if his father writes a letter to the president, asking that his son be buried in Algeria - why refuse?
Did his act warrant his excommunication? Is he a heretic? He should be buried in a Muslim graveyard, and prayers should be said for him.
[...]
French Muslim : Sheik, I would like to say something.
Ali Belhadj : Go ahead.
French Muslim : Sheik, this is my way of supporting... I would have like to have done it in front of Allah's enemies in France 24 TV, and in front of all the infidels. I want Allah's enemy Sarkozy to see this.
I have dual nationality. Sarkozy, Allah's curses upon you...
Tears up his French passport
Crowd : Allah Akbar... Allah Akbar...
French Muslim : I love you as a brother in Islam, Sheik... I am doing this in support of my brother in Islam, the mujahid Muhammad Merah.
Crowd : Allah Akbar... Allah Akbar...
French Muslim : By Allah, he was a lion, my brothers. Let me tell you, Sheik, he is not a kharijite. By Allah, he is a Sunni Salafi.
Check this out:
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/3390.htm
Transcript:
Following are excerpts from an address by Algerian cleric Ali Belhadj, former vice-president of the Islamic Salvation Front, in the course of which a Muslim with dual nationality demonstratively tears up his French passport. The footage was posted on the Internet on March 30, 2012.
Ali Belhadj : Yesterday, I saw that despicable man, Sarkozy of France. Forgive me. I brought important things to talk about, but sometimes, there are things that make one go off on a tangent.
I saw the father of [Toulouse terrorist] Merah, Allah's mercy upon him...
Crowd : Allah's mercy upon him...
Ali Belhadj : He asked for his son to be buried in Algeria. True, he was a French citizen and was supposed to be buried in France, but if his father writes a letter to the president, asking that his son be buried in Algeria - why refuse?
Did his act warrant his excommunication? Is he a heretic? He should be buried in a Muslim graveyard, and prayers should be said for him.
[...]
French Muslim : Sheik, I would like to say something.
Ali Belhadj : Go ahead.
French Muslim : Sheik, this is my way of supporting... I would have like to have done it in front of Allah's enemies in France 24 TV, and in front of all the infidels. I want Allah's enemy Sarkozy to see this.
I have dual nationality. Sarkozy, Allah's curses upon you...
Tears up his French passport
Crowd : Allah Akbar... Allah Akbar...
French Muslim : I love you as a brother in Islam, Sheik... I am doing this in support of my brother in Islam, the mujahid Muhammad Merah.
Crowd : Allah Akbar... Allah Akbar...
French Muslim : By Allah, he was a lion, my brothers. Let me tell you, Sheik, he is not a kharijite. By Allah, he is a Sunni Salafi.
written by CGW , April 05, 2012
Sheik, I would like to tell you something.
Ali Belhadj : Go ahead.
French Muslim : I am not in a position of authority in matters of jurisprudence. You are a sheik, and I love you as a brother in Islam. By Allah, [Merah] was not in the wrong, because there arefatwas by great scholars who said: If they kill our women, kill their women, and if they kill our children, kill their children.
Sheik, he was not in the wrong. Sheik Ibn Al-Uthaymeen said this, and he was a great scholar, and Ibn Taymiyya and many others said it before. [Merah] was a God-fearing man, and I don't mind if they denounce me.
Sheik, let me say to that Sarkozy: Allah's curses upon you, you pig! You are a Jew. We know you all too well. I lived among you in France, you enemies of Allah. I was a lawyer, defending our brothers in Islam. Let me tell you something. I pray that Allah place [Merah] in Paradise. Sarkozy, you pig, may Allah freeze the blood in your veins.
Crowd : Amen.
French Muslim : Allah, bring a black day upon them.
Crowd : Amen.
French Muslim : I would also like to say to our brothers in the Forsane Alizza organization, headed by my brother Abu Hamza, who were taken to prison. Sheik, they sent 19 of them to prison, although they had nothing to do with it. They had nothing to do with those brothers. [the Forsane Alizza] are preachers, religious people, who wanted to defend women wearing the niqab.
Sheik, I'm not in a position to...
Ali Belhadj : May Allah bless you...
French Muslim : Sheik, may that lion [Merah] vouch for me on Judgment Day.
[...]
Ali Belhadj : Go ahead.
French Muslim : I am not in a position of authority in matters of jurisprudence. You are a sheik, and I love you as a brother in Islam. By Allah, [Merah] was not in the wrong, because there arefatwas by great scholars who said: If they kill our women, kill their women, and if they kill our children, kill their children.
Sheik, he was not in the wrong. Sheik Ibn Al-Uthaymeen said this, and he was a great scholar, and Ibn Taymiyya and many others said it before. [Merah] was a God-fearing man, and I don't mind if they denounce me.
Sheik, let me say to that Sarkozy: Allah's curses upon you, you pig! You are a Jew. We know you all too well. I lived among you in France, you enemies of Allah. I was a lawyer, defending our brothers in Islam. Let me tell you something. I pray that Allah place [Merah] in Paradise. Sarkozy, you pig, may Allah freeze the blood in your veins.
Crowd : Amen.
French Muslim : Allah, bring a black day upon them.
Crowd : Amen.
French Muslim : I would also like to say to our brothers in the Forsane Alizza organization, headed by my brother Abu Hamza, who were taken to prison. Sheik, they sent 19 of them to prison, although they had nothing to do with it. They had nothing to do with those brothers. [the Forsane Alizza] are preachers, religious people, who wanted to defend women wearing the niqab.
Sheik, I'm not in a position to...
Ali Belhadj : May Allah bless you...
French Muslim : Sheik, may that lion [Merah] vouch for me on Judgment Day.
[...]
written by CGW , April 05, 2012
Calling Merah a "mujahid" and a "lion"? Averring that he "was not in the wrong"? Hoping that "allah" places him in Paradise and that Merah vouches for the speaker on Judgement Day?
Disgusting and outrageous. A perfect example of the primitive barbarism of the evil cult of islam. And don't miss the cacophony of allahu-akbar-ing all around. Savages.
Disgusting and outrageous. A perfect example of the primitive barbarism of the evil cult of islam. And don't miss the cacophony of allahu-akbar-ing all around. Savages.
written by fineliving56 , April 05, 2012
This Aya really should take the prize for the most Aya's in Quran which tell of Allah's humen like * Pathetic neediness and sad piqued and irritation at a slight * …
As if Allah [ Muhammad/ Allah ….one and the same ] got mad ….. like how a child who get miffed at his friend and stumps away in anger saying threatening words …like …..'' you do not like me … Ok … I will go and find better friend then you … you will see … Hu "'
If that Aya is not a glaring proof that Muhammad and his gang did in fact invent Quran, I do not know what is …. haha …. a true God would not be that pathetic …
BTW
knotice the Aya 47/33 before 47/38 … Muhammad attached him self to Allah and told, Mulsims '' OH …you who believe , obay Allah and OBAY the messenger[Muhammad ] '' ….. of course …who else but Muhammad … the thug
47/ 33 …. reveals … how, Muhammad reminded people, how they have to Obey him, just like they obey Allah and then he told them off after he discovered they went back and became Murtadeen [ leave Islam after converting] …. they were being stingy with their money …… He deviously add the fear from him side by side to the fear of Allah to make people come back and pay generously .
Of course if you read all the Surah … you would understand that most of Aya * 38 * was about admonishing people who left Islam and the promised horror By Allah in the after life And how they were being cheap and stingy with there donations to Muhammad and his Islamic cause …
So that is why he said … '' If you do not do what I say ...then I will create better people [ generous ] then you .
As we all see ….. it is about money …. nothing else …
Noble Quran …. Yah right … haha
As if Allah [ Muhammad/ Allah ….one and the same ] got mad ….. like how a child who get miffed at his friend and stumps away in anger saying threatening words …like …..'' you do not like me … Ok … I will go and find better friend then you … you will see … Hu "'
If that Aya is not a glaring proof that Muhammad and his gang did in fact invent Quran, I do not know what is …. haha …. a true God would not be that pathetic …
BTW
knotice the Aya 47/33 before 47/38 … Muhammad attached him self to Allah and told, Mulsims '' OH …you who believe , obay Allah and OBAY the messenger[Muhammad ] '' ….. of course …who else but Muhammad … the thug
47/ 33 …. reveals … how, Muhammad reminded people, how they have to Obey him, just like they obey Allah and then he told them off after he discovered they went back and became Murtadeen [ leave Islam after converting] …. they were being stingy with their money …… He deviously add the fear from him side by side to the fear of Allah to make people come back and pay generously .
Of course if you read all the Surah … you would understand that most of Aya * 38 * was about admonishing people who left Islam and the promised horror By Allah in the after life And how they were being cheap and stingy with there donations to Muhammad and his Islamic cause …
So that is why he said … '' If you do not do what I say ...then I will create better people [ generous ] then you .
As we all see ….. it is about money …. nothing else …
Noble Quran …. Yah right … haha
written by HARKAT UL JIHAD EI KAFIROON , April 06, 2012
jews started hatred of humanity....now they get hated back.they massacared millions in history.
but due to them we indians also suffered [ jihadis r jew inspried ].
so due to jew ideology entire world suffer.
let zionist-crusader-jihadi ideology be destroyed forever immediately
for peace on earth and humanity.
written by someone , April 06, 2012
Islam slowly growing in USA, UK and all over the world. Islam came to the truth, with strong arguments from the Qur'an, and this can not be denied .. even if 1000 people smart like einstein. they argue that there are still ignorant, especially in terms of God's divinity.
I take a simple example. If thousands of engineers makes a wing fly or a mosquito, then nobody could. This challenge from God to men who feel smug, since 14 centuries ago when Allah revealed the Koran to the prophet Muhammad and was given no one could make a piece of mosquito wings.
If so why you would not submit to God? you might not know but you must not insult Islam or insulting the prophet Muhammad his messenger.
I am here to tell you who does not know God, then your fate will be humiliated as you are insulting God and insulting makhluknya.sebaliknya you will be glorious if you honor God and glorify his creatures.
There is a story of an incorporated hell by God because of the fly and inserted into a haven for flies.
this story. There are two people who entered a village, the village digerbang there is a large statue to guard the statue. an guard the statue says if you enter this village must give the victim / offerings for this statue. This statue of god we said the guard. guest said I had no money to buy animals for sacrifice, then the guard says it's up to give even a fly., then he is looking for a fly and kill the fly and give to the guard a statue, with such actions then the guest is inserted God into hell .
Similarly with the other guests, the guest said, I do not have the money to buy the victim, then the guard says it is up to even a fly.
then the guest will say I do not give a fly, I sacrifice to God not only for this statue. then kill the guard a statue of the guest. with the incident, God put it into paradise.
This story is important. to serve as a lesson. every day we eat, fish, chicken, beef, but we never cared, who owned the fish, chicken or beef, have we ever thought who is creating this meat and for what he created?
To this Allah revealed the Quran to say hello to the prophet Muhammad to all mankind.
We come from Adam, Allah created Adam from soil.
We live only for Allah, we die only to Allah.
we live not for the world. even if we succeed in the world got a nobel prize 10 pieces in the eyes of Allah is meaningless if we do not know Allah
I take a simple example. If thousands of engineers makes a wing fly or a mosquito, then nobody could. This challenge from God to men who feel smug, since 14 centuries ago when Allah revealed the Koran to the prophet Muhammad and was given no one could make a piece of mosquito wings.
If so why you would not submit to God? you might not know but you must not insult Islam or insulting the prophet Muhammad his messenger.
I am here to tell you who does not know God, then your fate will be humiliated as you are insulting God and insulting makhluknya.sebaliknya you will be glorious if you honor God and glorify his creatures.
There is a story of an incorporated hell by God because of the fly and inserted into a haven for flies.
this story. There are two people who entered a village, the village digerbang there is a large statue to guard the statue. an guard the statue says if you enter this village must give the victim / offerings for this statue. This statue of god we said the guard. guest said I had no money to buy animals for sacrifice, then the guard says it's up to give even a fly., then he is looking for a fly and kill the fly and give to the guard a statue, with such actions then the guest is inserted God into hell .
Similarly with the other guests, the guest said, I do not have the money to buy the victim, then the guard says it is up to even a fly.
then the guest will say I do not give a fly, I sacrifice to God not only for this statue. then kill the guard a statue of the guest. with the incident, God put it into paradise.
This story is important. to serve as a lesson. every day we eat, fish, chicken, beef, but we never cared, who owned the fish, chicken or beef, have we ever thought who is creating this meat and for what he created?
To this Allah revealed the Quran to say hello to the prophet Muhammad to all mankind.
We come from Adam, Allah created Adam from soil.
We live only for Allah, we die only to Allah.
we live not for the world. even if we succeed in the world got a nobel prize 10 pieces in the eyes of Allah is meaningless if we do not know Allah
written by Salladin , April 06, 2012
we live not for the world. even if we succeed in the world got a nobel prize 10 pieces in the eyes of Allah is meaningless if we do not know Allah
You indeed don't know Allah. Keep your lies for yourself someone. If i asked you who is allah, then you come up with many words and explanations without telling a usefull thing about Him. For your information. Einstein thinks your God (abrahamic god) is childish and only fit for the feeble-minded people. What did Taha Hoessein said about the the pre-islamic poetry? false indeed. What does Abu Zaid (once lecturer at Al azhar university) say about Qur'an? indeed, not the litteral word of Allah but Muhammads. These are a few examples of those who know islam in depth unlike your babbles.
You indeed don't know Allah. Keep your lies for yourself someone. If i asked you who is allah, then you come up with many words and explanations without telling a usefull thing about Him. For your information. Einstein thinks your God (abrahamic god) is childish and only fit for the feeble-minded people. What did Taha Hoessein said about the the pre-islamic poetry? false indeed. What does Abu Zaid (once lecturer at Al azhar university) say about Qur'an? indeed, not the litteral word of Allah but Muhammads. These are a few examples of those who know islam in depth unlike your babbles.
written by Rzq , April 06, 2012
You just write a load of absolute nonsense. Can you contribute anything???
The verse I quoted proves to be true. You Arabs have been replaced, you are a minority in Islam!
The verse I quoted proves to be true. You Arabs have been replaced, you are a minority in Islam!
written by bundypig , April 06, 2012
that's correct queenie, now the real scoundrels have taken control. the inbred paki's and the like, but always remember, mo was an arab so dont cut to deep or you'll scorch in hell 
written by Rzq , April 06, 2012
How am I cutting deep when you have Arabs behaving like the video below.
I'm sure you will like it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqJDuZIcQ34&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Sent from my iPhone
I'm sure you will like it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqJDuZIcQ34&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Sent from my iPhone
written by bundypig , April 06, 2012
cherry picking are we? I see you love the technical advances made by the west with your iphone. That is nonsense like I said,be careful where you go, mo doesn't like people that call his ethnic group *replaced* lol
written by fineliving56 , April 06, 2012
You took the words that I was going to say … but better …
The complex non Arab Muslim, have, must be, hard and painfull … They feel hate for Arabs in contrast to the love they feel for the thug Arab Muhammad and his Arabic Quran that it is In Arabic .
The sad thing is that Arab Muslims especially in the Land of the * sick and sickest* Saudi Arabia Packi or any other non Arab Muslims As nothing but black insects … they were born to salve after their fat behinds so they call them slave [ abeed ] … no mater how educated and knowledgeable these non Arab Muslims are .
The complex non Arab Muslim, have, must be, hard and painfull … They feel hate for Arabs in contrast to the love they feel for the thug Arab Muhammad and his Arabic Quran that it is In Arabic .
The sad thing is that Arab Muslims especially in the Land of the * sick and sickest* Saudi Arabia Packi or any other non Arab Muslims As nothing but black insects … they were born to salve after their fat behinds so they call them slave [ abeed ] … no mater how educated and knowledgeable these non Arab Muslims are .
written by bundypig , April 06, 2012
I can see the jealousy there, to be nothing but astro turf to the arabs, must be hard on a dude like queenie, speaking of hard, did that pic do it for you queenie?
written by fineliving56 , April 06, 2012
I am contributing … the thing is you just do not LIKE my kind of contribution … the correct contribution that put Quran under glaring light to show how unholy it was and still is …
Unfortunately for all People in the world … especially the next people who are going to be bombed , beheaded , kidnaped, honer killed, child molested under the cover of Islamic marriage cut hand and feet …. all in the day to day teachings of Islam.
I know it is hard for you Muslim … but you have to deal with it … and accept it …
And sorry …. the tide has changed for Muslims …
Unfortunately for all People in the world … especially the next people who are going to be bombed , beheaded , kidnaped, honer killed, child molested under the cover of Islamic marriage cut hand and feet …. all in the day to day teachings of Islam.
I know it is hard for you Muslim … but you have to deal with it … and accept it …
And sorry …. the tide has changed for Muslims …
written by malem , April 06, 2012
The article is typeical dribble, the title gives away its foolish premise as it blames the horrible event basically on the actions of a book and a person who is no longer living. It shows you the lenghts people will go to. Then it sites the same missunderstood 4 verses from the quran that get quoted almost every post, quite boring and not to bright. The only person to blame is the person who carried out the crime.
Fineliving for a supposed exmuslim and arab, you don't seem to know much about Islam. The Quran is clear that Allah is not Muhammed, and that the word of Allah is to be obeyed.
Fineliving for a supposed exmuslim and arab, you don't seem to know much about Islam. The Quran is clear that Allah is not Muhammed, and that the word of Allah is to be obeyed.
written by bundypig , April 06, 2012
go back to sleep. we'll call you if we need an imbecile
written by vbv , April 06, 2012
By your statement you will be glorious if you glorify "god". Now tell me how many people , other than the clergy who peddle religion and "god" for a living and making huge sums of money through their fear-mongering and fraudulent claims, are really living gloriously ? I can say with certainty no one. Now this "god" of yours requires such 'glorification' , undivided adulation and worship, otherwise this "god" of yours gets pissed off and threatens you with dire consequences in the socalled "Hereafter", all sounds like a tyrants rants , not a spiritual and benign creature. This "god" of yuours , a monotheistic monster is a lonely spook that has nothing else to do in this infinite universe/multiverse than poke into the lives and mundane existence of humans who live a short life certainly makes this "god" of yours look like a narrowminded bigot , a megalomaniac, a bloodthirsty monster , a creature wallowing in self-love and one with gargantuan super-ego , with an extremely bad attitude ,vindictive and with all malafide intents directed towards sadism . This description of your "god" makes all our tyrants look far more benign and reasonable . In short this monster is the creation of conmen who want to exercise unlimited power over fellow humanbeings to enjoy the wealth and comforts that accompany it. This more so in the case of islam that does not seperate religion from the state.
Your tale of the creation of "hell" and the inane story of flies is incoherent and illogical at best. This "god" also created bacteria and diseases droughts and floods and famine. And who are affected most >? It is the poor people who suffer the most and thsi socalled "merciful" god is a mute witness to all these disasters. This "god" is also impotent ,except in the fairy tales in your socalled scriptures, that it is the fanatical zealots that carry out all the violent acts in the name and glory of this socalled "god". That is why preachers, mullahs,the clergy turn out to be rogues and monsters in human form.They incite the gullible people to violence in the name of blasphemy, haram,shirk and whatnot,which this socalled "god" cannot deal by himself. You know why ? Because "god" does not exist - this fictional spook was created by deluded and hallucinated scoundrels who use it as an instrument of their gaining power and pelf. These mullahs, clergy, always hobnob with the rich and powerful and get all the tax cuts on their illgotten wealth and incomes. Why does "god" and his henchmen (mullahs/clergy/padres) need money ? After all money is the creation of human beings . There are many questions..... Your spook of a "god" is nothing but an imaginery creature of the socalled religious bigots , useful instrument in the hands of these unholy skunks to grab power and pelf by nefarious designs.
Your tale of the creation of "hell" and the inane story of flies is incoherent and illogical at best. This "god" also created bacteria and diseases droughts and floods and famine. And who are affected most >? It is the poor people who suffer the most and thsi socalled "merciful" god is a mute witness to all these disasters. This "god" is also impotent ,except in the fairy tales in your socalled scriptures, that it is the fanatical zealots that carry out all the violent acts in the name and glory of this socalled "god". That is why preachers, mullahs,the clergy turn out to be rogues and monsters in human form.They incite the gullible people to violence in the name of blasphemy, haram,shirk and whatnot,which this socalled "god" cannot deal by himself. You know why ? Because "god" does not exist - this fictional spook was created by deluded and hallucinated scoundrels who use it as an instrument of their gaining power and pelf. These mullahs, clergy, always hobnob with the rich and powerful and get all the tax cuts on their illgotten wealth and incomes. Why does "god" and his henchmen (mullahs/clergy/padres) need money ? After all money is the creation of human beings . There are many questions..... Your spook of a "god" is nothing but an imaginery creature of the socalled religious bigots , useful instrument in the hands of these unholy skunks to grab power and pelf by nefarious designs.
written by fineliving56 , April 06, 2012
Of course …..
Quran prove Quran … that Muhammad is not Allah and Allah is not Muhammad …
no other witnesses or proves …
Malam ….
Prove to me Muhammad did not write the Quran [ that it did not come from Allah] … there for Allah is not Muhammad !!
Quran prove Quran … that Muhammad is not Allah and Allah is not Muhammad …
no other witnesses or proves …
Malam ….
Prove to me Muhammad did not write the Quran [ that it did not come from Allah] … there for Allah is not Muhammad !!
written by vbv , April 06, 2012
Correct. This man Muhamad is not an illiterate. He was actually in the busliness of trading and caravans transporting merchandise to the various places . One cannot manage any business without a modicum of literacy and numeracy. Quran is a concoction of Muhamad and his close partners in crime. After all, an illiterate man supposed to have memorized some 6,000 or more verses is farfetched and impossible. And many verses were lost or destroyed when the present form of Quran was collated,since this Quran was made into a book much after the death of Muhamad by his cronies like Abu Baker, Othman,etc. The feigning of illiteracy is just to strengthen the claim that Quran is the "word" of "god" or Allah who transmitted the same through his 'angel' Gabriel or Jibrael. Quran does not have a chronological construction ,it is haphazard and contradictory. The Medina verses are more violent and intolerant than the Meccan verses. In short the whole cacophoney is just a hash of nonsense to promote Muhamad and his cult , and to destroy everything and all nonarab cultures and civilisations.
written by Salladin , April 06, 2012
The illiterate claim is to stay in line with the bible, that's all. Would you make an illiterate to do bussiness of trading etc. for you? Gadija was a smart woman, that's for sure. After islam women were not the same. They are reduced to posessions of men. If you ask this to a muslimah, she would reply: let me ask my husband for permission to speak or something like that.
written by fineliving56 , April 06, 2012
Your logic is flawless …
Here other proves that Muhammad was not illiterat
Hadeeth, Sahih Bukari …
book 19 / 2993 …
Book 5 / 553
Book 7 / 88
Book 1 / 65
Book 1 / 114
Book 4 / 288
Book 5 / 716
Book 5 / 717
Book 7 / 573
Muslim shoot their own feet with their hadeeth right there to read but they still lie and obfuscation …
their own hadeeth proves that he was in fact not Illiterate …. but they teach us[ the lie ]that he was, so that, can be a concrete proof, that Quran came from Allah not Muhammad the illiterate [ Oh please ] …
They fooled a lot of people with this lie … but not any more .
Here other proves that Muhammad was not illiterat
Hadeeth, Sahih Bukari …
book 19 / 2993 …
Book 5 / 553
Book 7 / 88
Book 1 / 65
Book 1 / 114
Book 4 / 288
Book 5 / 716
Book 5 / 717
Book 7 / 573
Muslim shoot their own feet with their hadeeth right there to read but they still lie and obfuscation …
their own hadeeth proves that he was in fact not Illiterate …. but they teach us[ the lie ]that he was, so that, can be a concrete proof, that Quran came from Allah not Muhammad the illiterate [ Oh please ] …
They fooled a lot of people with this lie … but not any more .
written by Rzq , April 06, 2012
I totally agree with MALEM
"lost cause
written by malem , April 06, 2012
The article is typeical dribble, the title gives away its foolish premise as it blames the horrible event basically on the actions of a book and a person who is no longer living. It shows you the lenghts people will go to. Then it sites the same missunderstood 4 verses from the quran that get quoted almost every post, quite boring and not to bright. The only person to blame is the person who carried out the crime.
Fineliving for a supposed exmuslim and arab, you don't seem to know much about Islam. The Quran is clear that Allah is not Muhammed, and that the word of Allah is to be obeyed"
"lost cause
written by malem , April 06, 2012
The article is typeical dribble, the title gives away its foolish premise as it blames the horrible event basically on the actions of a book and a person who is no longer living. It shows you the lenghts people will go to. Then it sites the same missunderstood 4 verses from the quran that get quoted almost every post, quite boring and not to bright. The only person to blame is the person who carried out the crime.
Fineliving for a supposed exmuslim and arab, you don't seem to know much about Islam. The Quran is clear that Allah is not Muhammed, and that the word of Allah is to be obeyed"
written by Rzq , April 06, 2012
A few dopes agree with you on a website doesnt exactly constitute a "changing of times" to think so just shows your mentality.
"Here other proves that Muhammad was not illiterat
Hadeeth, Sahih Bukari …
book 19 / 2993 …
Book 5 / 553
Book 7 / 88
Book 1 / 65
Book 1 / 114
Book 4 / 288
Book 5 / 716
Book 5 / 717
Book 7 / 573"
WTF is the above. Can we have some proper references!
"Here other proves that Muhammad was not illiterat
Hadeeth, Sahih Bukari …
book 19 / 2993 …
Book 5 / 553
Book 7 / 88
Book 1 / 65
Book 1 / 114
Book 4 / 288
Book 5 / 716
Book 5 / 717
Book 7 / 573"
WTF is the above. Can we have some proper references!
written by Muslim and proud , April 06, 2012
Check this article dumbo, where your kuffar brother said:
"Once again Muhammad, the author of the Quran – illiterate as he was – proved his idiocy by fabricating such stupid verses."
http://www.islam-watch.org/ind...&Itemid=58
Here is what you are saying:
So you are therefore refuting your kuffar brothers, including Ali Sina (pronounced sinner)......
Well done - progress......
"Once again Muhammad, the author of the Quran – illiterate as he was – proved his idiocy by fabricating such stupid verses."
http://www.islam-watch.org/ind...&Itemid=58
Here is what you are saying:
Your logic is flawless …
Here other proves that Muhammad was not illiterat
their own hadeeth proves that he was in fact not Illiterate
They fooled a lot of people with this lie … but not any more .
So you are therefore refuting your kuffar brothers, including Ali Sina (pronounced sinner)......
Well done - progress......
written by Salladin , April 06, 2012
Finelivings, did you notice the faul language the so called muslims use. We are here to discuss with muslims, not wannabe muslims who actually are kafir by their own religious standards. M&P is a kafir and a dumb one at that. Malem is more civilized and has more knowledge. Maybe it's because he denounces hadith and sharia and Allah saved him from being a complete zombie. The rest is a lost case.
written by malem , April 06, 2012
First the correct spelling is Sala ad-Din, or Saladin. Secondly foul language has been used on both sides, then again you have selective reading.
Fineliving has very little knowledge of the Quran, and has only presented portions of versers with her/his own interpretation. You have no proof the Quran is not the words of Allah
Fineliving has very little knowledge of the Quran, and has only presented portions of versers with her/his own interpretation. You have no proof the Quran is not the words of Allah
written by Dwito , April 06, 2012
It's because you are not here for a bit long. Malem was not this polite earlier. Go to his older comments and you'll find it. He is so rascal that he dared to threat fineliving once. It's Du Swami who instantly took him about that and with others help forced him to subjugate. So never trust any Muslims polite expression. They are always in the nature of dogs.
written by Muslim and proud , April 06, 2012
It's Du Swami who instantly took him about that and with others help forced him to subjugate.
Duh Swami? That name rings a bell........I think he is the one who got booted off here not so long ago. He is the one who confessed that it is the kuffar who are dogs and they like to ARF ARF......lol
written by pipo , April 06, 2012
"Jews started hatred of humanity... Now they get hated back. they massacared millions in history"
"Jihadis r jew inspired"
This must be the most breathtakingly silly comment on IW ever by a non-muslim or ex-muslim (who is still holding on to his jew hatred).
Can you maybe substantiate it with facts, numbers, dates...give us an insight in your reasoning perhaps?
"Jihadis r jew inspired"
This must be the most breathtakingly silly comment on IW ever by a non-muslim or ex-muslim (who is still holding on to his jew hatred).
Can you maybe substantiate it with facts, numbers, dates...give us an insight in your reasoning perhaps?
written by Salladin , April 06, 2012
Malem, i see you have little knowledge of arabic. It's salah deen or salah addeen. Not sala ad-Din or saladin. You're not arabic are you? Sala(t) is prayer with a big S as in Assalatu and you have the regular s as in wassalamu. Assalatu wassalaam 3ala nabiyanna muhammad etc. In arabic you have the "h" as in Allah and "h" as in Mu"h"ammad and Sala"h". I hope you got it now!
written by Salladin , April 06, 2012
I know Duh Swami and he is one of the most intelligent individuals who contributed to this site and will contribute in the future i hope. Duh is great and an inspiration to me like Finelivings, Machmoed, Archpagan etc etc etc and all those great posters whom i didn't mention by (pseudo)name.
written by Infidel and More Proud , April 06, 2012
Bukhari
Volume 9, Book 87, Number 111:
Narrated ‘Aisha:
The angel came to him in it and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, “I do not know how to read.” (The Prophet added), “The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and again asked me to read, and I replied, “I do not know how to read,” whereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and asked me again to read, but again I replied, “I do not know how to read (or, what shall I read?).” Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me and then released me and said, “Read: In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists). Has created man from a clot. Read and Your Lord is Most Generous…up to….. ..that which he knew not.” (96.15)
Volume 9, Book 87, Number 111:
Narrated ‘Aisha:
The angel came to him in it and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, “I do not know how to read.” (The Prophet added), “The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and again asked me to read, and I replied, “I do not know how to read,” whereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and asked me again to read, but again I replied, “I do not know how to read (or, what shall I read?).” Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me and then released me and said, “Read: In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists). Has created man from a clot. Read and Your Lord is Most Generous…up to….. ..that which he knew not.” (96.15)
written by 1proudkaffur4life , April 06, 2012
@ malem,
Actually the burden of proof is on you. If I say Ruebezahl DOES NOT exists , and you SAY otherwise, then it is you who must be able to prove his EXISTENCE. After all it is you who hold on to his reality. To you allah is a reality, than you must have some clear proof.
To the Muslims here, what you ALL defend here is a MAN-MADE concept of a deity.
The complexity of any (even the most primitive) life-form is NO PROOF whatsoever that the CONCEPTS you hold so dear are correct! No evidence that allah is more REAL then Ruebezahl! Even though I like “Ruebezahl” a whole lot better, because in this stories, the bad guys in most cases get a chance to change their ways, but allah’s punishment is eternal hell, and for what? For being the people allah made humans to be, the ones to spend eternity in hell while the others will enjoy bliss. All you have is a large portion of “blind” faith.
Actually the burden of proof is on you. If I say Ruebezahl DOES NOT exists , and you SAY otherwise, then it is you who must be able to prove his EXISTENCE. After all it is you who hold on to his reality. To you allah is a reality, than you must have some clear proof.
To the Muslims here, what you ALL defend here is a MAN-MADE concept of a deity.
The complexity of any (even the most primitive) life-form is NO PROOF whatsoever that the CONCEPTS you hold so dear are correct! No evidence that allah is more REAL then Ruebezahl! Even though I like “Ruebezahl” a whole lot better, because in this stories, the bad guys in most cases get a chance to change their ways, but allah’s punishment is eternal hell, and for what? For being the people allah made humans to be, the ones to spend eternity in hell while the others will enjoy bliss. All you have is a large portion of “blind” faith.
written by Salladin , April 06, 2012
Allah didn't tell Gibreel that Muhammad couldn't read. Allknowing (3alim bikulli shai')?
written by Muslim and proud , April 06, 2012
I know Duh Swami and he is one of the most intelligent individuals who contributed to this site and will contribute in the future i hope.
Intelligent?
He "was" one of the most bigoted, islamophobic, twisted and downright ignorant people you are ever likely to come across.
Infidel - you are now refuting Fineliving666. Maybe you kuffar bros/sisters need to get your act together..........classic case of the blind leading the blind.
written by Infidel and More proud , April 06, 2012
) Concerning the first part – The start of Islam
a) Why would an all-knowing deity ask an illiterate man to read?
b) Why does the spirit tell us that man was created from blood clots when it’s not true?
c) If this spirit “taught by the pen what men did not know,” where are those words?
d) And why digress to an oral recital when written testimony is superior?
e) Why gloat, saying he’s generous – in what way and to whom?
f) But the real question is: if this spirit “taught by the pen what men did not know,” where are those words?
Bring on the obfuscation...
a) Why would an all-knowing deity ask an illiterate man to read?
b) Why does the spirit tell us that man was created from blood clots when it’s not true?
c) If this spirit “taught by the pen what men did not know,” where are those words?
d) And why digress to an oral recital when written testimony is superior?
e) Why gloat, saying he’s generous – in what way and to whom?
f) But the real question is: if this spirit “taught by the pen what men did not know,” where are those words?
Bring on the obfuscation...
written by Rzq , April 06, 2012
Im not going to rise to the bait!!!
Leaving you in ignorance is much more fun!!!!
Leaving you in ignorance is much more fun!!!!
written by bundypig , April 06, 2012
he can't argue or prove anything when the blatant truth strikes him between the eyes, oh and queenie, dont get a blister hahahahha
written by Rzq , April 06, 2012
Indfidull (duh)! The questions are above his intelectual pay grade!!!
He is too stupid to understand!!!
He is too stupid to understand!!!
written by Muslim and proud , April 06, 2012
With regards to your list of questions:
Rzq said:
Personally, what I want to know is, why would a 'proud' infidel even care?
Rzq said:
He is too stupid to understand!!!
Personally, what I want to know is, why would a 'proud' infidel even care?
written by tahir ali the exmuslim , April 06, 2012
when people cant digest what is written in quran,they just start passing coments ,coz they know they cant defend it or change what is witten
written by Rzq , April 06, 2012
I will explain it to you. First of all you need to understand the following terms because they will be part of the discussion.
Ihtikaaf, Murabiyya, Tarbiyya and rububiyya!
That's the first part of the surah.
Wahdaniyya, The word akram and taqwa will feature heavily.
Now be a good little murtad and learn what those words mean and we can continue your little lesson.
Ihtikaaf, Murabiyya, Tarbiyya and rububiyya!
That's the first part of the surah.
Wahdaniyya, The word akram and taqwa will feature heavily.
Now be a good little murtad and learn what those words mean and we can continue your little lesson.
written by fineliving56 , April 06, 2012
There was a man who transcribed for Muhammad when he dictated to him and claimed, it came right out of Gabriel mouth as Allah said it [ Suppossedly… more like lied …
The man's name was * Abdallah ibin Abi Sarah *
Once …. Abid Allah was writing what Muhammad was saying Quoting Gebriel … Abdallah suggested if * Muhammd allaw him to make some changes to make the written Quran batter and makes more sense * when Muhammad actually AGREED TO MAKE THE CHANGES Abdaalh suggested * … Abdallah realized somthing very imortant and telling.
If a regular man like him self allowed by Muhammad to make changes of Allah's words that supposedly should be documented word by word without absolutely no changes, how it is supposed to be THE TRUE Wahi …and it is the words of Allah???
he finished that day and left Muhammad and also left Islamall together, ran away to Makka .
There … he started to say he had a visiter from Allah and he had Wahi [ revelations] just like Muhammad's [I thing he discovered it was all a scamp and it is all to get riches and women … so he told himself why not start his own religion which will bring him reaches also … lol ]
He started to write his own holy Book like Quran … No one know what happen to him after that.
When I first I learnd this fact of History of Muhammad … I was absolutely certain without the shadow of the doubt, that Muhammad was a liar and a scamp artiest of the sickest kind
The man's name was * Abdallah ibin Abi Sarah *
Once …. Abid Allah was writing what Muhammad was saying Quoting Gebriel … Abdallah suggested if * Muhammd allaw him to make some changes to make the written Quran batter and makes more sense * when Muhammad actually AGREED TO MAKE THE CHANGES Abdaalh suggested * … Abdallah realized somthing very imortant and telling.
If a regular man like him self allowed by Muhammad to make changes of Allah's words that supposedly should be documented word by word without absolutely no changes, how it is supposed to be THE TRUE Wahi …and it is the words of Allah???
he finished that day and left Muhammad and also left Islamall together, ran away to Makka .
There … he started to say he had a visiter from Allah and he had Wahi [ revelations] just like Muhammad's [I thing he discovered it was all a scamp and it is all to get riches and women … so he told himself why not start his own religion which will bring him reaches also … lol ]
He started to write his own holy Book like Quran … No one know what happen to him after that.
When I first I learnd this fact of History of Muhammad … I was absolutely certain without the shadow of the doubt, that Muhammad was a liar and a scamp artiest of the sickest kind
written by anders , April 06, 2012
"Bukhari
Volume 9, Book 87, Number 111:
Narrated ‘Aisha:
The angel came to him in it and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, “I do not know how to read.” (The Prophet added), “The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and again asked me to read, and I replied, “I do not know how to read,” whereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and asked me again to read, but again I replied, “I do not know how to read (or, what shall I read?).” Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me and then released me and said, “Read: In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists). Has created man from a clot. Read and Your Lord is Most Generous…up to….. ..that which he knew not.” (96.15)
Not a very friendly" angel" me thinks. But a novel way to teach literacy. Crushing the breath out of the student.No wonder the student thought he was mad, possessed and became suicidal. An angel of God ?. You would have to blind faith to believe that. His MO was alien to the Gabriel of the Bible. So what god is revealed in this hadith?
Volume 9, Book 87, Number 111:
Narrated ‘Aisha:
The angel came to him in it and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, “I do not know how to read.” (The Prophet added), “The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and again asked me to read, and I replied, “I do not know how to read,” whereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and asked me again to read, but again I replied, “I do not know how to read (or, what shall I read?).” Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me and then released me and said, “Read: In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists). Has created man from a clot. Read and Your Lord is Most Generous…up to….. ..that which he knew not.” (96.15)
Not a very friendly" angel" me thinks. But a novel way to teach literacy. Crushing the breath out of the student.No wonder the student thought he was mad, possessed and became suicidal. An angel of God ?. You would have to blind faith to believe that. His MO was alien to the Gabriel of the Bible. So what god is revealed in this hadith?
written by Malem , April 06, 2012
No you are incorrect my little friend it is صلاح الدين always has and always was, it is you one of the fake arabs who post here who claims to know all. In reality you know very little, much like dwito who always comes around says the same thing over and over, never makes a point then goes home.
written by Yibel , April 07, 2012
Summary of Quran Surah 3: The Family Of ‘Imran
Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. 4
Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. 10
Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell. 12
Those who disbelieve, promise them a painful doom. 21
Theirs will be a painful doom. 77
All non-Muslims will be rejected by Allah after they die. 85
Disbelievers will have a painful doom. And they will have no helpers. 91
Disbelievers will have their faces blackened on the last day. They will face an awful doom. 105-6
Those who disbelieve will be burnt in the Fire. 116
The Fire is prepared for disbelievers. 131
We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 151
Theirs will be an awful doom. 176
Disbelievers do not harm Allah, but will have a painful doom. 177
Disbelievers will have a shamful doom. 178
Disbelievers will go to Hell. 196
First this Allah creature creates disbelievers; then He/It puts up barriers so the disbelievers will never believe anyway; Then He/It sends a Horde of Bloodthirsty Cut-Throats to ravage and humiliate and subjugate and murder and rape the disbelievers, oh, and steal their stuff - BOOTY, see surrah 8; and then He/It sends those poor unfortunate disbelievers, THAT He/It CREATED, to His Special Inferno for perpetual torture. What a god!!!
The Qur'an is a book of hate and Allah is Ba'al Zebub - The Lord of the Flies
Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. 4
Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. 10
Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell. 12
Those who disbelieve, promise them a painful doom. 21
Theirs will be a painful doom. 77
All non-Muslims will be rejected by Allah after they die. 85
Disbelievers will have a painful doom. And they will have no helpers. 91
Disbelievers will have their faces blackened on the last day. They will face an awful doom. 105-6
Those who disbelieve will be burnt in the Fire. 116
The Fire is prepared for disbelievers. 131
We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 151
Theirs will be an awful doom. 176
Disbelievers do not harm Allah, but will have a painful doom. 177
Disbelievers will have a shamful doom. 178
Disbelievers will go to Hell. 196
First this Allah creature creates disbelievers; then He/It puts up barriers so the disbelievers will never believe anyway; Then He/It sends a Horde of Bloodthirsty Cut-Throats to ravage and humiliate and subjugate and murder and rape the disbelievers, oh, and steal their stuff - BOOTY, see surrah 8; and then He/It sends those poor unfortunate disbelievers, THAT He/It CREATED, to His Special Inferno for perpetual torture. What a god!!!
The Qur'an is a book of hate and Allah is Ba'al Zebub - The Lord of the Flies
written by Peter , April 07, 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWNUfOrNPPs
This guy would be one to know.
This guy would be one to know.
written by Salladin , April 07, 2012
So you lie Malem, it's ok! I'm arabic and you can't read arabic it seems. It's not Sala but Salah. Where are you muslim bro's to correct you? If they can write and read arabic that is. Don't lie in the face of your God!
You're ignorance starts to show!
You're ignorance starts to show!
written by Salladin , April 07, 2012
Here is what i wrote earlier:
Malem, i see you have little knowledge of arabic. It's salah deen or salah addeen. Not sala ad-Din or saladin.
Suddenly you come up with arabic writings but it is clearly you can't read arabic. Learn arabic first my friend or ask me to lecture you. I believe you're what Umar once said in hadith "a raisinhead" meaning black man and therefor inferior to arabs according to their opinions.
Malem, i see you have little knowledge of arabic. It's salah deen or salah addeen. Not sala ad-Din or saladin.
Suddenly you come up with arabic writings but it is clearly you can't read arabic. Learn arabic first my friend or ask me to lecture you. I believe you're what Umar once said in hadith "a raisinhead" meaning black man and therefor inferior to arabs according to their opinions.
written by Salladin , April 07, 2012
He "was" one of the most bigoted, islamophobic, twisted and downright ignorant people you are ever likely to come across.
I wasn't talking about Malem, Rzq and you. I was talking about the enlightened people. How can i expect you to understand it and therefor it was not directed to you. Now you know the reason!
I wasn't talking about Malem, Rzq and you. I was talking about the enlightened people. How can i expect you to understand it and therefor it was not directed to you. Now you know the reason!
written by 1proudkaffur4life , April 07, 2012
It is sooo funny to see Muslims asking people who do NOT believe in allah to proof something which the nonbeliever hold is just the figment of imagination of a person dead for 1400 years.
All good questions these:
a) Why would an all-knowing deity ask an illiterate man to read?
b) Why does the spirit tell us that man was created from blood clots when it's not true?
c) If this spirit "taught by the pen what men did not know," here are those words?
d) And why digress to an oral recital when written testimony is superior?
e) Why gloat, saying he's generous -in what way and to whom?
f) But the real question is: if this spirit 'taught by the pen what men did not know,' where are those words?
Will the Muslims here claim to have never ask these and other questions themselves? How do you explain very difficult points to YOURSELF? By simply IGNORIN them with "allah knows best"? One has to keep in mind that the issues here INVOLVE the supposedly eternal life of people, and that one should be certain he/she can TRUST MuuHAMmel to be the LAST messenger/prophet of the stoned-gawd allah.
straight out of the kooraan: 22:47 & 32:5 ONE day 1.000 years, in 70:4 50.000 years
I see it here as well as in other places, when difficult topics are addressed, one approach chosen is to shift the focus to a "side-issue" so far not a sensible answer to the question of 125.000 (in the relevant thread) was given.
Why the need to go back to the "arabic" language, after all each and every language has words for "fake" "liar" "story-telling" "rapist" or the like.
It is sooo funny to see Muslims asking people who do NOT believe in allah to proof something which the nonbeliever hold is just the figment of imagination of a person dead for 1400 years.
All good questions these:
a) Why would an all-knowing deity ask an illiterate man to read?
b) Why does the spirit tell us that man was created from blood clots when it's not true?
c) If this spirit "taught by the pen what men did not know," here are those words?
d) And why digress to an oral recital when written testimony is superior?
e) Why gloat, saying he's generous -in what way and to whom?
f) But the real question is: if this spirit 'taught by the pen what men did not know,' where are those words?
Will the Muslims here claim to have never ask these and other questions themselves? How do you explain very difficult points to YOURSELF? By simply IGNORIN them with "allah knows best"? One has to keep in mind that the issues here INVOLVE the supposedly eternal life of people, and that one should be certain he/she can TRUST MuuHAMmel to be the LAST messenger/prophet of the stoned-gawd allah.
straight out of the kooraan: 22:47 & 32:5 ONE day 1.000 years, in 70:4 50.000 years
I see it here as well as in other places, when difficult topics are addressed, one approach chosen is to shift the focus to a "side-issue" so far not a sensible answer to the question of 125.000 (in the relevant thread) was given.
Why the need to go back to the "arabic" language, after all each and every language has words for "fake" "liar" "story-telling" "rapist" or the like.
written by Rzq , April 07, 2012
I feel sorry for you. Incompetant parrot. You troll and troll through islamophobic hate sights and pick out useless bits of information. This just reinforces your apostacy. However you dare not do any research as it may destroy these support points.
I will tell you what happened to Abdullah Ibn Sad Ibn Abi Sarh, he reverted back to Islam of his own free will and lived the rest of his life in Egypt in the governance office.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Sarh/
I will tell you what happened to Abdullah Ibn Sad Ibn Abi Sarh, he reverted back to Islam of his own free will and lived the rest of his life in Egypt in the governance office.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Sarh/
written by Archpagan , April 07, 2012
You are troubling yourself unnecessarily. The famous Saladin of Crusade has changed jersey to become Salladin.
written by bundypig , April 07, 2012
queenie goes at fineliving, he can't prove a single thing, but he tries and tries to prove that she doesn't know islam, although she has experienced the hell first hand. He is a dickhead and should be admonished at every chance. A child of pakistan trying to make it in a world so unfamiliar to his background and his mum and dad's. Is your mum your aunt too queenie, can't answer that without lying can you?
written by Salladin , April 07, 2012
Rzq, tell us what happened to Aisha when she lost the war against Ali. Was she given housearrest for the rest of her live? Allah left her when Muhammad left. how rightguided!
Don't be angry, it's your written history my friend, not mine.
Don't be angry, it's your written history my friend, not mine.
written by someone , April 07, 2012
Summary of Quran Surah 3: The Family Of ‘Imran
Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. 4
Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. 10
Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell. 12
Those who disbelieve, promise them a painful doom. 21
...ok.
Quran say truth.Allah create eden and hell, create you and I, all people. Allah is very fond of humans, so Allah sent the prophets, in the Quran from the Prophet Adam, idris, Noah, hud, pious, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, yacub, yusuf ... ilyas, Elisha, Zachariah, Jesus, the last Muhammad. prophet invites all men to obey Allah, worship God, not to others, do not worship Satan, do not worship the man, do not worship wealth, do not worship the creature yng can not benefit or harm.
but many of the prophets will be killed by his opponents. after the death of the prophets so that man can not find the guidance they worship besides Allah. to save mankind from the worship to other than Allah, then Allah sent the Prophet Muhammad that Allah kept his book al quran so maintained until doomsday.
Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. 4
Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. 10
Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell. 12
Those who disbelieve, promise them a painful doom. 21
...ok.
Quran say truth.Allah create eden and hell, create you and I, all people. Allah is very fond of humans, so Allah sent the prophets, in the Quran from the Prophet Adam, idris, Noah, hud, pious, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, yacub, yusuf ... ilyas, Elisha, Zachariah, Jesus, the last Muhammad. prophet invites all men to obey Allah, worship God, not to others, do not worship Satan, do not worship the man, do not worship wealth, do not worship the creature yng can not benefit or harm.
but many of the prophets will be killed by his opponents. after the death of the prophets so that man can not find the guidance they worship besides Allah. to save mankind from the worship to other than Allah, then Allah sent the Prophet Muhammad that Allah kept his book al quran so maintained until doomsday.
written by Walter Sieruk , April 07, 2012
There is even more to this story then this. Which is the many of the Muslims who live in France are so blind to the differende between right and wrong that they want to avenge the jihadist who commited the heinoes murders. This information is from 'Atas Shrugs.' The reason those Muslims don't understand the difference between good and evil is their frane of refference is a wicked one.
Which is the Quran. For the Quran teaches that Jews are "pigs and aips." [2:65;7:166;5:60]. That's one of the reasons that the Muslims in France don't understand that what the jihadist did in France at that Jewish school is very wrong and just plain evil
Which is the Quran. For the Quran teaches that Jews are "pigs and aips." [2:65;7:166;5:60]. That's one of the reasons that the Muslims in France don't understand that what the jihadist did in France at that Jewish school is very wrong and just plain evil
written by fineliving56 , April 07, 2012
First of all … I am not going to lower my self to your level … Muslim …so I will not call you name like you and and other Muslims do to me …
Muslims …. you are the ones who perfected the art of obfuscation, lie to self and lie by omissions … you prefected the art of declaring white is black … and we all know that by now .
The point of the fact of the story of Abdaalh, is not abdallah life story him self … and you know it ….and I know and we all know it … but you just do not talk about the point of the story … you tlke about a trivial part of the story …
you know that … Muslim!! … stop side tracking stick to the point of the story .
The point of the story is what I wrote in *bold letters *…
The points ….. IS ….. .MUHAMMAD WAS ******WILLING TO ***CHANGE THE WORDS OF ALLAH BY lLETTING AN ORDINARY MUSLIM LIKE ABDAALH DO IT ********
MUSLIMS ALL PRAGE ABOUT HOW QURAN WAS AND STILL IS , THE WORDS OF ALLAH INSTRUCTED BY ALLAH TO GABRIEL TO CONVEY TO MUHAMMAD ****WORD BY WORD******* … NO MORE … NO LESS ……. …. correct ??????
THE QUESTION IS …. HOW IN EARTH, MUHAMMAD WAS AGREEING TO CHANGING THE WORD ?????…
YOU HAVE SKIPPED THE HEART OF THE FACTUAL STORY OF MUHAMMAD CHANGING WORDS OF ALLAH [ OF COURSE BECAUSE HE LIENG TO HIS TEETH ] … AND YOU TAKLED ABOUT THE LIFE OF ABDAALH HIM SELF, INSTEAD .
I AM NOT SURPRISED …
YOU HAVE NO ANSWER FOR THE HEART OF THE STORY …
HOW COULD YOU ANSWER … WHERE IS NON …..EXCEPT TO ADMIT MUHAMMAD WAS A LIAR AND A THUG
OF COURES …
I DID NOT EXPECT BETTER OUT OF YOU …..MUSLIM .
If Abdaaalh went back to Islam … I am not surprised … stupidity ignorance was wide spread at that time and still …
Muslims and their on going hounding of others always a factor added the ignorance .
I read that fact in a books about Muhammad … I do not search in the web … like you said … I have not the time or patience to set long hours searching …
I read books … do you remember books ?
Muslims …. you are the ones who perfected the art of obfuscation, lie to self and lie by omissions … you prefected the art of declaring white is black … and we all know that by now .
The point of the fact of the story of Abdaalh, is not abdallah life story him self … and you know it ….and I know and we all know it … but you just do not talk about the point of the story … you tlke about a trivial part of the story …
you know that … Muslim!! … stop side tracking stick to the point of the story .
The point of the story is what I wrote in *bold letters *…
The points ….. IS ….. .MUHAMMAD WAS ******WILLING TO ***CHANGE THE WORDS OF ALLAH BY lLETTING AN ORDINARY MUSLIM LIKE ABDAALH DO IT ********
MUSLIMS ALL PRAGE ABOUT HOW QURAN WAS AND STILL IS , THE WORDS OF ALLAH INSTRUCTED BY ALLAH TO GABRIEL TO CONVEY TO MUHAMMAD ****WORD BY WORD******* … NO MORE … NO LESS ……. …. correct ??????
THE QUESTION IS …. HOW IN EARTH, MUHAMMAD WAS AGREEING TO CHANGING THE WORD ?????…
YOU HAVE SKIPPED THE HEART OF THE FACTUAL STORY OF MUHAMMAD CHANGING WORDS OF ALLAH [ OF COURSE BECAUSE HE LIENG TO HIS TEETH ] … AND YOU TAKLED ABOUT THE LIFE OF ABDAALH HIM SELF, INSTEAD .
I AM NOT SURPRISED …
YOU HAVE NO ANSWER FOR THE HEART OF THE STORY …
HOW COULD YOU ANSWER … WHERE IS NON …..EXCEPT TO ADMIT MUHAMMAD WAS A LIAR AND A THUG
OF COURES …
I DID NOT EXPECT BETTER OUT OF YOU …..MUSLIM .
If Abdaaalh went back to Islam … I am not surprised … stupidity ignorance was wide spread at that time and still …
Muslims and their on going hounding of others always a factor added the ignorance .
I read that fact in a books about Muhammad … I do not search in the web … like you said … I have not the time or patience to set long hours searching …
I read books … do you remember books ?
written by Tanstaafl jw , April 07, 2012
I would rather live amongst the Jews, than near the Muslims. Of course, I wouldn't live long near the Muslims.........
written by Salladin , April 07, 2012
You have little knowledge of islam someone. It is Allah that guides or not. If he wanted to guide us all, he could have done that but he sais clearly in qur'an that he doesn't want to. He created hell for a purpose so he will not guide all people. How compassionate and mercifull but above all...how wise!
For your information, he also sais: do not take anything for being true if you have no knowledge about it. Were you there to know wether it was a revelation from God/Allah? or are you just parroting the ones who wrote the stories and told you they are revelations of Allah?
For your information, he also sais: do not take anything for being true if you have no knowledge about it. Were you there to know wether it was a revelation from God/Allah? or are you just parroting the ones who wrote the stories and told you they are revelations of Allah?
written by Yibel , April 07, 2012
You say that "Allah is very fond of humans, ..."
However, the Qur'an disagrees with you. Since most of the population of the world does not worship Allah, and are committing Shirk according to the Qur'an - the worst sin possible according to the Qur'an - then Allah cann't possibly like humans very much and only created humans to fill his hell. He is sadistic and disgusting.
You also say:
"...so Allah sent the prophets, in the Quran from the Prophet Adam, idris, Noah, hud, pious, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, yacub, yusuf ... ilyas, Elisha, Zachariah, Jesus, the last Muhammad. prophet invites all men to obey Allah,..."
If Adam was a prophet then who did he prophesy to? What prophesy did he make? And who is Idris? Who did he prophesy to? What did he say? Quote us his words. And Hud? Who was he and what did he say and to whom? And pious? Is this person even in the Qur'an? I don't recall reading about this person. And Ilyas, Elisha, Zachariah, and Jesus? Who are they? What did they say and do? Tell us about these people - but ONLY from the Qur'an! NO other sources. As for Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Yacub, Yusuf - you probably don't know this, but they were NOT prophets according to the Bible. And none of these people were Muslims. Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Yacub/Jacob, Yusuf/Joseph were the founding fathers of the Hebrews, that is Israelites whose god was YHVH, not allah.
Ishmael, along with Esau (Yacub's brother), was the founding father of the Arabs. The Arabs worshipped many gods and goddesses, usually in the form of a stone. Called masseboth (translated as pillars or standing stones) these stones represented gods and their abodes as well as ancestral spirits. For example, the Arab Nabateans worshipped Dushara, a black conical stone, and the Syrian Arabs worshipped the sun god El-Gabal, also a conical black stone. The goddess Al-Uzza was represented by a thigh-shaped stone, while Al-Alat was a black cube-shaped stone. Allah is a reddish-black stone, possible a meteorite.
However, the Qur'an disagrees with you. Since most of the population of the world does not worship Allah, and are committing Shirk according to the Qur'an - the worst sin possible according to the Qur'an - then Allah cann't possibly like humans very much and only created humans to fill his hell. He is sadistic and disgusting.
You also say:
"...so Allah sent the prophets, in the Quran from the Prophet Adam, idris, Noah, hud, pious, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, yacub, yusuf ... ilyas, Elisha, Zachariah, Jesus, the last Muhammad. prophet invites all men to obey Allah,..."
If Adam was a prophet then who did he prophesy to? What prophesy did he make? And who is Idris? Who did he prophesy to? What did he say? Quote us his words. And Hud? Who was he and what did he say and to whom? And pious? Is this person even in the Qur'an? I don't recall reading about this person. And Ilyas, Elisha, Zachariah, and Jesus? Who are they? What did they say and do? Tell us about these people - but ONLY from the Qur'an! NO other sources. As for Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Yacub, Yusuf - you probably don't know this, but they were NOT prophets according to the Bible. And none of these people were Muslims. Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Yacub/Jacob, Yusuf/Joseph were the founding fathers of the Hebrews, that is Israelites whose god was YHVH, not allah.
Ishmael, along with Esau (Yacub's brother), was the founding father of the Arabs. The Arabs worshipped many gods and goddesses, usually in the form of a stone. Called masseboth (translated as pillars or standing stones) these stones represented gods and their abodes as well as ancestral spirits. For example, the Arab Nabateans worshipped Dushara, a black conical stone, and the Syrian Arabs worshipped the sun god El-Gabal, also a conical black stone. The goddess Al-Uzza was represented by a thigh-shaped stone, while Al-Alat was a black cube-shaped stone. Allah is a reddish-black stone, possible a meteorite.
written by Malem , April 07, 2012
One need not be calling others racial comments, I believe you can try and discuss in a civil manner or you will go the way of your twin brother Duh
written by somone , April 07, 2012
We as Muslims believe in Allah, books (Psalms, Torah, gospel and the Quran) all the stories of the prophets of God and his book has been described in the Quran.
We got the information directly from the Quran through the Prophet Muhammad, the Quran also recognized the truth non-Muslims who understand the book before the Quran, such as DR Yahya Waloni (Hebrew expert, x priest in Indonesia).
Prophet Adam was the first man he would lead his descendants. introduce God to them, nor the prophet idris, Noah, Hud, Sholeh, Ibrahim, Ismail, Isaac, yacub.
2:132. The same did Abraham enjoin upon his sons, and also Jacob, (saying): O my sons! Lo! Allah hath chosen for you
the (true) religion; therefore die not save as to WHO have surrendered (unto Him).
4:163. Lo! We(Allah) inspire thee as We inspired Noah and the Prophets after him, as We inspired Abraham and Ishmael and
Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and as we imparted unto David the
Psalms;
We as Muslims believe in Allah, books (Psalms, Torah, gospel and the Quran) all the stories of the prophets of God and his book has been described in the Quran.
We got the information directly from the Quran through the Prophet Muhammad, the Quran also recognized the truth of non-Muslims who understand the book before the Quran, such as DR Yahya Waloni (Hebrew expert, x priest in Indonesia).
Prophet Adam was the first man he would lead his descendants. introduce God to them, nor the prophet idris, Noah, Hud, Sholeh, Ibrahim, Ismail, Isaac, yacub.
2:132. The same did Abraham enjoin upon his sons, and also Jacob, (saying): O my sons! Lo! Allah hath chosen for you
the (true) religion; therefore die not save as to WHO have surrendered (unto Him).
4:163. Lo! We inspire thee as We inspired Noah and the Prophets after him, as We inspired Abraham and Ishmael and
Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and as we imparted unto David the Psalms;
start of the prophet ibrahim as the father of the nation, then God sent the prophets. Children of Israel the last prophet was a prophet isa (jesus) jesus in the gospel message in Matthew he was sent only to the children of israill
while the last prophet to mankind is the prophet sent by Allah is Muhammad. muhammad the prophet's message in the Quran that he was sent by Allah to all mankind. this is clear and irrefutable, this is the truth quran.yang believed by billions of Muslims the world.
this is clear and irrefutable, this is the truth quran.yang believed by billions of Muslims the world.
We got the information directly from the Quran through the Prophet Muhammad, the Quran also recognized the truth non-Muslims who understand the book before the Quran, such as DR Yahya Waloni (Hebrew expert, x priest in Indonesia).
Prophet Adam was the first man he would lead his descendants. introduce God to them, nor the prophet idris, Noah, Hud, Sholeh, Ibrahim, Ismail, Isaac, yacub.
2:132. The same did Abraham enjoin upon his sons, and also Jacob, (saying): O my sons! Lo! Allah hath chosen for you
the (true) religion; therefore die not save as to WHO have surrendered (unto Him).
4:163. Lo! We(Allah) inspire thee as We inspired Noah and the Prophets after him, as We inspired Abraham and Ishmael and
Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and as we imparted unto David the
Psalms;
We as Muslims believe in Allah, books (Psalms, Torah, gospel and the Quran) all the stories of the prophets of God and his book has been described in the Quran.
We got the information directly from the Quran through the Prophet Muhammad, the Quran also recognized the truth of non-Muslims who understand the book before the Quran, such as DR Yahya Waloni (Hebrew expert, x priest in Indonesia).
Prophet Adam was the first man he would lead his descendants. introduce God to them, nor the prophet idris, Noah, Hud, Sholeh, Ibrahim, Ismail, Isaac, yacub.
2:132. The same did Abraham enjoin upon his sons, and also Jacob, (saying): O my sons! Lo! Allah hath chosen for you
the (true) religion; therefore die not save as to WHO have surrendered (unto Him).
4:163. Lo! We inspire thee as We inspired Noah and the Prophets after him, as We inspired Abraham and Ishmael and
Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and as we imparted unto David the Psalms;
start of the prophet ibrahim as the father of the nation, then God sent the prophets. Children of Israel the last prophet was a prophet isa (jesus) jesus in the gospel message in Matthew he was sent only to the children of israill
while the last prophet to mankind is the prophet sent by Allah is Muhammad. muhammad the prophet's message in the Quran that he was sent by Allah to all mankind. this is clear and irrefutable, this is the truth quran.yang believed by billions of Muslims the world.
this is clear and irrefutable, this is the truth quran.yang believed by billions of Muslims the world.
written by Salladin , April 08, 2012
Malem, it's ok. Move on. Duh is way too intelligent, i told that before. I hope i can get as good as he is. Duh Swami is ideed the Swami. There are many many individuals who will say the same. You on the other hand, no one takes you serious...even your hadith and sharia compliant muslim bro's do not. You see the difference Malem. You're all alone. Maybe that's why you have more wifes, so you wouldn't feel lonely. If you believe in Allah (not the institutional one) then Allah created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Eve's.
written by Archpagan , April 08, 2012
Islam is a hate-filled divisive ideology made up by a desert pirate with the sole intention of giving divine sanction to subjugate, loot and exploit entire mankind to the evil imperialist design of the band of desert pirates. You are only a victim of that evil design as you have willingly zombiefied yourself mortgaging your conscience, intellect and self-respect. Any intelligent and rational person can see that Allah of Koran is neither merciful nor kind to his creation. Rather, he instigated the self-styled messenger to commit such heinous crime as rape, murder, incest, pedophilia et all. That rascal criminal Muhammad, mis-called the prophet, even displayed his intellectual dishonesty by claiming existing scriptures known to him as part of Islam. I have equal title to claim myself as messenger of Allah. Koran is just bullshit. Anyone can compile a better ‘Holy Book’ with the help of existing scriptures.
Koran does not preach universal brotherhood, love, honesty or compassion. Contribution of Koran in the field of morality is nil. If any good thing can be found in Koran, it is only stolen /usurped from other scriptures. It does not teach human being love and surrender to Allah, but obey the so-called message sent by Allah through Mo. Allah should be merciful to all his creations, and reward people who promote goodwill and brotherhood among all people and nourish all living beings. He also rewards people who are honest and conscientious in their conduct to fellow human beings.
Allah has just sent down the above message to me through Zibrail. So, this is irrefutable. Allah will burn you in eternal hell-fire if you do not follow Him. Understand my dear fool? If you don’t, then you are a hardcore criminal like Mo.
Koran does not preach universal brotherhood, love, honesty or compassion. Contribution of Koran in the field of morality is nil. If any good thing can be found in Koran, it is only stolen /usurped from other scriptures. It does not teach human being love and surrender to Allah, but obey the so-called message sent by Allah through Mo. Allah should be merciful to all his creations, and reward people who promote goodwill and brotherhood among all people and nourish all living beings. He also rewards people who are honest and conscientious in their conduct to fellow human beings.
Allah has just sent down the above message to me through Zibrail. So, this is irrefutable. Allah will burn you in eternal hell-fire if you do not follow Him. Understand my dear fool? If you don’t, then you are a hardcore criminal like Mo.
written by coptic , April 08, 2012
muslims are ordrered to fight all non-muslims untill they become muslims or pay money to keep their fath "jeziah" جزيه there is also hadith that says that muslims will fight jews at the end of days and the jews will hide behind trees and then the trees will talk and says to muslims "here is a jew behind me come and kill him " i can bring you the arabic version but i dont know the english version advice dont trust muslims they are the best liers ever
written by bundypig , April 08, 2012
Again, your texts tell a different story
from sahih muslim
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Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me) ; kill him.
from sahih muslim
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Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me) ; kill him.
written by bundypig , April 08, 2012
impaired beyond any reality, why do you lie and argue when your own books tell such a different story than what you want to project?
You, as your blow buddy M$Perverted, are losers
You, as your blow buddy M$Perverted, are losers
written by Rzq , April 08, 2012
Are you oinking at me?
What you quote there are end of time eschatology.
You like whe Jesus comes back as a bad ass!
What you quote there are end of time eschatology.
You like whe Jesus comes back as a bad ass!
written by Salladin , April 08, 2012
Jesus won't come back if he ever existed. Come to your senses. You're living in the now. But because the now is threatening you, you seek salvation in the past. You'll never get satisfaction. Muhammad is dead and jesus is dead and will not come back. Wishfull thinking won't help a bit! It's so simple actually. I hope you don't believe Jesus will come back or Mahdi for that matter. It's bull and deepdown, you know it!
written by Rzq , April 08, 2012
I was making a point to the pig!
The killing of the Jews by Muslims is just end times eschatology. Just like biblical end times end times eschatology Jesus comes back to kill just about everone!
So for pig to be applying that is just dishonest!
The killing of the Jews by Muslims is just end times eschatology. Just like biblical end times end times eschatology Jesus comes back to kill just about everone!
So for pig to be applying that is just dishonest!
written by bundypig , April 08, 2012
know queenie for what he is, he argues that "end times" is all that is, doesn't matter to him what it says, could say muhammad will blow bubbles out of his dead ass, and he'd still argue we're taking it out of context. What he is doing is trying to protect a pervert and a murderer.
written by Malem , April 08, 2012
That is where you are wrong son, I am not alone, and just because I do not adhere to the belief in Hadith, I am united with my brother Muslims. You see you have have differing viewpoints and not tear each other apart. I fully respect M&P and RZQ, they are the few that are will to explain and rebutt much of the false data that is on this blog. You and the guy who calls himself pig, are but a few of the people whoin reality can grab a few verses from other islamophobic sites and repost them over and over and over etc...you get my point. As for your belief Jesus never existied that is funny and shows your ignorance to history and the proof it has provided.
written by Yibel , April 08, 2012
You say that you believe in the Psalms, Torah, and gospel. Have you actually read any of these books? Jesus (real name Yah'shua) was sent to ALL mankind. His message of universal peace and good will was meant for everyone. If you had read the New Testament you would know that. And if you had read the Bible, you would know that the Qur'an stories are all wrong!
The Qur'an passages about the people you listed clearly show that the Qur'an does not contain much information about these people that it calls prophets. For example, there are ONLY two passages about Idris:
Q 19:56-57 Mention, in the Book, Idris, that he was truthful, a prophet. We took him up to a high place.
Q. 21:86 And you shall tell of Ishmael, Idris, and Dhul-Kifl, who all endured with patience. To Our mercy We admitted them, for they were upright men.
And all it says about Ishmail, Elisha, Dhul-Kifl, Isaac, and Jacob in their role as prophets is basically:
Q. 38:48, And of Ishmael, Elisha, and Dhul-Kifl, who were all just men. (4:163, 6:86, 19:54, 21:86)
As for the rest of the bunch, this is pretty much it:
Q. 6:85 We gave him (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob and guided both as We had guided Noah before them. Among his descendants were David and Solomon, Job and Joseph and Moses and Aaron (thus do we reward the righteous); Zacharias and John, Jesus and Elias (all were upright men); and Ishmael, Elisha, Jonah and Lot. All these We exalted above the nations as We exalted some of their fathers, their children, and their brothers. We chose them and guided them to a straight path.
All the Qur'an does is list a bunch of names from the Bible and other places and claim that they were sent by the spook allah. There is NO further information about these people in the Qur'an. So who were they? Without the Bible and other outside sources, they are just a list of names. Nothing more!!!
No one even knows who Idris actually was for sure. He is not mentioned anywhere else. Personally, I think Muhammad meant Indra, the Hindu god of war because many of the violent Qur'an passages are almost direct quotes from the Vedas:
Rig Veda 4:17:16 Eager for booty, craving strength and horses, we-singers stir Indra, the strong, for friendship, Who gives the wives we seek, whose succour fails not, to hasten, like a pitcher to the fountain.
Rig Veda 5:35:1. INDRA, for our assistance bring that most effectual power of thine, Which conquers men for us, and wins the spoil, invincible in fight.
And the Atharva Veda 12:5:67 Strike off the shoulders and the head.
The Qur'an passages about the people you listed clearly show that the Qur'an does not contain much information about these people that it calls prophets. For example, there are ONLY two passages about Idris:
Q 19:56-57 Mention, in the Book, Idris, that he was truthful, a prophet. We took him up to a high place.
Q. 21:86 And you shall tell of Ishmael, Idris, and Dhul-Kifl, who all endured with patience. To Our mercy We admitted them, for they were upright men.
And all it says about Ishmail, Elisha, Dhul-Kifl, Isaac, and Jacob in their role as prophets is basically:
Q. 38:48, And of Ishmael, Elisha, and Dhul-Kifl, who were all just men. (4:163, 6:86, 19:54, 21:86)
As for the rest of the bunch, this is pretty much it:
Q. 6:85 We gave him (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob and guided both as We had guided Noah before them. Among his descendants were David and Solomon, Job and Joseph and Moses and Aaron (thus do we reward the righteous); Zacharias and John, Jesus and Elias (all were upright men); and Ishmael, Elisha, Jonah and Lot. All these We exalted above the nations as We exalted some of their fathers, their children, and their brothers. We chose them and guided them to a straight path.
All the Qur'an does is list a bunch of names from the Bible and other places and claim that they were sent by the spook allah. There is NO further information about these people in the Qur'an. So who were they? Without the Bible and other outside sources, they are just a list of names. Nothing more!!!
No one even knows who Idris actually was for sure. He is not mentioned anywhere else. Personally, I think Muhammad meant Indra, the Hindu god of war because many of the violent Qur'an passages are almost direct quotes from the Vedas:
Rig Veda 4:17:16 Eager for booty, craving strength and horses, we-singers stir Indra, the strong, for friendship, Who gives the wives we seek, whose succour fails not, to hasten, like a pitcher to the fountain.
Rig Veda 5:35:1. INDRA, for our assistance bring that most effectual power of thine, Which conquers men for us, and wins the spoil, invincible in fight.
And the Atharva Veda 12:5:67 Strike off the shoulders and the head.
written by Salladin , April 09, 2012
As for your belief Jesus never existied that is funny and shows your ignorance to history and the proof it has provided.
What proof? Is it the same proof you have that Gibreel visited Muhammad in the cave?
History? are you serious? do you know how many historians wrote about Jesus from his supposed life? None! Ofcourse believers claim it, but there are no proofs. Tachitus, josephus etc etc. never wrote about him and those references have been shown a fraud for centuries now, so i really don't know what proofs you're talking about. Besides, if there are proofs then the crusifixion is the most important one wich you don't believe cause according to your islamic story, it was someone else. As if (if Jesus ever existed and indeed crusified) the people of that time were all blind....that's what your fairytale is trying to tell us. But ofcourse you were there to witness it like you witness of Muhammad being the last messenger right? Malem, grow up, you are not a witness so you can't be a witness. Following arabs in this regard is very childish. Grow some balls and be truthfull to yourself. You're lying in the name of your God, but somehow you're blind to see it.
What proof? Is it the same proof you have that Gibreel visited Muhammad in the cave?
History? are you serious? do you know how many historians wrote about Jesus from his supposed life? None! Ofcourse believers claim it, but there are no proofs. Tachitus, josephus etc etc. never wrote about him and those references have been shown a fraud for centuries now, so i really don't know what proofs you're talking about. Besides, if there are proofs then the crusifixion is the most important one wich you don't believe cause according to your islamic story, it was someone else. As if (if Jesus ever existed and indeed crusified) the people of that time were all blind....that's what your fairytale is trying to tell us. But ofcourse you were there to witness it like you witness of Muhammad being the last messenger right? Malem, grow up, you are not a witness so you can't be a witness. Following arabs in this regard is very childish. Grow some balls and be truthfull to yourself. You're lying in the name of your God, but somehow you're blind to see it.
written by malem , April 09, 2012
Bible points to many proofs, eye witnesses of the many who met him, writings of him, teachings of him, etc.... Unless you are expecting him to still be alive and meeting him yourself, your going to have to believe some history lad. When you read about Genghis Khan, do you not believe him becuase there are no pictures? or maybe Buddha because there are no films of him, hahaha I would think it is you that might need to grow up and educate yourself a bit more. I do find it curious that your writing structure is much like Duh and in fact choice of words very similar, very interesting indeed.
written by Rzq , April 09, 2012
There is no doubt that Jesus(pbuh) existed.
There is no doubt that he was a beloved messanger of god.
There is no doubt that he was given the title of messiah!
Read the article below for historical evidence of his existance:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/04/03/did-jesus-exist-bart-ehrman_n_1400465.html
There is no doubt that he was a beloved messanger of god.
There is no doubt that he was given the title of messiah!
Read the article below for historical evidence of his existance:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/04/03/did-jesus-exist-bart-ehrman_n_1400465.html
written by Salladin , April 09, 2012
Bible points to many proofs, eye witnesses of the many who met him, writings of him, teachings of him, etc....
Look at your answr and you are a doctor? I wonder what kind of doctor you are. The bible points to many proofs. Ofcourse the bible would say such things, like qur'an sais a lot of things and we know it is not the entire truth. There might be truths in it but surely it's not the whole truth and above all it's not from any God/Allah. Was Jesus given the Ingeel? When and how come christians don't know he was given a book?
If you believe the bible is true then how come your holy book sais it's corrupted and when it was corrupted because in Mecca it wasn't. I believe Duh was right al along. You're no doctor but some farmer who was told the stories secondhand. I'm sorry, i can't take you serious like the majority of the world.
Look at your answr and you are a doctor? I wonder what kind of doctor you are. The bible points to many proofs. Ofcourse the bible would say such things, like qur'an sais a lot of things and we know it is not the entire truth. There might be truths in it but surely it's not the whole truth and above all it's not from any God/Allah. Was Jesus given the Ingeel? When and how come christians don't know he was given a book?
If you believe the bible is true then how come your holy book sais it's corrupted and when it was corrupted because in Mecca it wasn't. I believe Duh was right al along. You're no doctor but some farmer who was told the stories secondhand. I'm sorry, i can't take you serious like the majority of the world.
written by Salladin , April 09, 2012
I could give you hundreds of sites which say otherwise Rzq. The point is that there is no historical evidence for his existence as the bible tells us. There were a lot of christs in that time. Show me the evidence my friend. Like pastor once said. Jesus is still alive in the hearts of people and his way wether existed or not is good example of how you should treat people. Muhammad on the other hand is not. His so called words: There are 2 things wich i like the most, women and worshipping Allah.
I don't give a .... what muslims believe as long as theirbelieves do not threaten others. As soon as they get the power they shout for implementation of sharia etc. This will never happen in the west because there are thousands of muslims and secularists who will oppose this and i will encourage them to. You can't stop the will of Allah. Why do you think Allah brought millions to the west.....in time they will oppsoe islam like many are doing now. Allah/God is with the good hearted people. Remember that. If you and your likes don't like it, then go back to your muslim country.
I don't give a .... what muslims believe as long as theirbelieves do not threaten others. As soon as they get the power they shout for implementation of sharia etc. This will never happen in the west because there are thousands of muslims and secularists who will oppose this and i will encourage them to. You can't stop the will of Allah. Why do you think Allah brought millions to the west.....in time they will oppsoe islam like many are doing now. Allah/God is with the good hearted people. Remember that. If you and your likes don't like it, then go back to your muslim country.
written by Malem , April 09, 2012
I think you fail to see that I have no care that you believe what I say. Based on your postings it is obvious you have not much knowledge of that which you wish to talk about.
written by Salladin , April 09, 2012
Is that why you evading the questions and continue to babble on and on. You're a fake muslim for denying authentic hadith. You're are a wannabe muslim. Talking for an islam wich represent 1 to 5% of the muslimpopulation is laughable. I know this is the only place you could propagate your opinion, but somehow you pretend to talk for muslims as you are one of them. Like ahmadya's, Sufi's etc. you're considered an outlaw Malem. Don't talk about your islam. Let's talk about the real islam wich is Qur'an, Hadith and sira's.
If you have the courage ofcourse. Remember you're not an authority on islam nor am i, but at least i'm not saying hadith are lies. You do! Malem against the islamic world...now that's rich!
If you have the courage ofcourse. Remember you're not an authority on islam nor am i, but at least i'm not saying hadith are lies. You do! Malem against the islamic world...now that's rich!
written by Malem , April 09, 2012
Your lack of knowledge is pouring out of you know! If you knew anything about Islam, you would know then that the Quran prohibits Sharia and Hadith. You see that is the kicker, you Think you knowbut all that knowledge you have garnered from garbage sites is fales my friend, no truth to it. One day you will see that but until then I am glad to help you out :)
written by Salladin , April 10, 2012
Don't talk about knowledge Malem. You're like a farmer who is trying to explain quantumfysics. Don't! You have no knowledge of islam period. Tell the 90% of muslims that qur'an prohibit Sharia and Hadith. Are you trying to convince yourself Malem?
written by Malem , April 10, 2012
The term is Quantum Physics lad, it is two words. You sound like someone with limited education so if I need to explain in simpler terms please let me know. The Quran does prohibit anything but itself as being the words of Allah, every Muslim in the world who reads the Quran sees that.
29:18 But if ye deny, then nations have denied before you. The messenger is only to convey (the Message) plainly.
69:44 And if Muhammad had made up about Us some [false] sayings,
6:114 "Then is it other than Allah I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail?" And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters.
16:89 And [mention] the Day when We will resurrect among every nation a witness over them from themselves. And We will bring you, [O Muhammad], as a witness over your nation. And We have sent down to you the Book as clarification for all things and as guidance and mercy and good tidings for the Muslims.
Many more verses indicate over an over it is the Quran and only the Quran that is the word of Allah, no other book after the Quran or writings have authority. So yes, I do know more than you do about Islam, you do no more than cut and paste from various sites and hope no one notices, much like Duh....right Duh!
29:18 But if ye deny, then nations have denied before you. The messenger is only to convey (the Message) plainly.
69:44 And if Muhammad had made up about Us some [false] sayings,
6:114 "Then is it other than Allah I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail?" And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters.
16:89 And [mention] the Day when We will resurrect among every nation a witness over them from themselves. And We will bring you, [O Muhammad], as a witness over your nation. And We have sent down to you the Book as clarification for all things and as guidance and mercy and good tidings for the Muslims.
Many more verses indicate over an over it is the Quran and only the Quran that is the word of Allah, no other book after the Quran or writings have authority. So yes, I do know more than you do about Islam, you do no more than cut and paste from various sites and hope no one notices, much like Duh....right Duh!
written by Salladin , April 10, 2012
You're funny Malem. You keep propagating your opinion. Cut and paste? now you're being really funny. I don't have to go to other sites. I can read and write arabic myself unlike you, remember. I will tell the muslims they all got it wrong for following the sunna, because messenger Malem told so. It's all lies, right Malem?
Thanx for prooving my point wich is indeed that islam is false as muslims believe it. Now go and tell the muslims they are following lies and inventions.
Thanx for prooving my point wich is indeed that islam is false as muslims believe it. Now go and tell the muslims they are following lies and inventions.
written by Salladin , April 10, 2012
Are you sure you know something about it? Then tell me what is entanglement my dear? How come subatomic particles seeme to know wether we are watching or not? Since you have knowledge about it, you could explain it to me right, Doctor. If you knew something about it, you wouldn't believe fairytales.
written by Rzq , April 10, 2012
Is this salad poster duh????
Come back duh all is forgiven just take salad of Arabia back!
Come back duh all is forgiven just take salad of Arabia back!
written by coptic , April 10, 2012
what is my true colors listen to me carfully you can fool all the forign people about islam but you cant fool me i am egyptian i see with my own eyes how muslims destroy our 7000 years civilization arabic is my native language belive me people here will be shocked 1000 times more if they reed the untranslated books of islam which your emams are ashamed of translating it :):):)
written by Rzq , April 10, 2012
yes father zakaria helped thousands of muslims to know the right path and to free their minds islamic myth which make them ignorent and stupid like the great poet ELMTANABY said about his islamic nation "A nation that all nations lough at thier ignorance " امه ضحكت من جهلها الامم
written by Yibel , April 10, 2012
Note the similarities between Indra and Muhammad's Allah (high god):
Rig Veda 4:17:16 Eager for booty, craving strength and horses, we-singers stir Indra, the strong, for friendship, Who gives the wives we seek, whose succour fails not, to hasten, like a pitcher to the fountain.
Here's part of Muhammad's description of Paradise (Eden): Q. 76:9-22...and cups brim-full with ginger-flavored water from a FOUNTAIN called Salsabil...
Q. 55:53-78...A gushing FOUNTAIN shall flow in each (of the two other gardens)...And don't forget the virgins chaste and fair as corals and rubies, dark-eyed virgins virgins, sheltered in their tents whom neither man nor jinn (genii) will have touched before...
Q. 56:29 We created the houris (whores) and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand...
What you are saying is that the Qur'an comfirms itself. The verses 29:18, 69:44, 6:114, 16:89 are merely saying that! The Qur'an also says that it is perfect. But it is NOT. There are many errors in it, from grammar, to incorrect scientific facts concerning the universe, etc., to ridiculous stories that are all mixed up and badly told.
As for the Shari'ah, it IS contained within the Qur'an. Muhammad laid down the Law of Ah. He even renamed the town of Yathrib - which he stole from the Jews - The Din ((Law) of Ah.
Why do you keep saying that Shari'ah is something different? Read sura 4 for rules (laws) concerning women, marriage, inheritance, treatment of orphans, treatment of women for fornication (4:15, starve them to death), etc. Read sura 8 for how to divide up the booty and spoils from stealing, etc. Sura 16 contains more laws about treatment for adultery, orphans property, foods that are forbidden, pledges and oaths, etc. Sura 24 orders 100 lashes for adultery, 80 lashes for defaming honorable women (hence their owners honor), veiling of women, marriage rules, slavery laws, etc.
I've asked you this before and received no answer from you, so I'm asking again: What do YOU think Shari'ah is?
BTW, it's COPY and paste, NOT "cut and paste"
Rig Veda 4:17:16 Eager for booty, craving strength and horses, we-singers stir Indra, the strong, for friendship, Who gives the wives we seek, whose succour fails not, to hasten, like a pitcher to the fountain.
Here's part of Muhammad's description of Paradise (Eden): Q. 76:9-22...and cups brim-full with ginger-flavored water from a FOUNTAIN called Salsabil...
Q. 55:53-78...A gushing FOUNTAIN shall flow in each (of the two other gardens)...And don't forget the virgins chaste and fair as corals and rubies, dark-eyed virgins virgins, sheltered in their tents whom neither man nor jinn (genii) will have touched before...
Q. 56:29 We created the houris (whores) and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand...
What you are saying is that the Qur'an comfirms itself. The verses 29:18, 69:44, 6:114, 16:89 are merely saying that! The Qur'an also says that it is perfect. But it is NOT. There are many errors in it, from grammar, to incorrect scientific facts concerning the universe, etc., to ridiculous stories that are all mixed up and badly told.
As for the Shari'ah, it IS contained within the Qur'an. Muhammad laid down the Law of Ah. He even renamed the town of Yathrib - which he stole from the Jews - The Din ((Law) of Ah.
Why do you keep saying that Shari'ah is something different? Read sura 4 for rules (laws) concerning women, marriage, inheritance, treatment of orphans, treatment of women for fornication (4:15, starve them to death), etc. Read sura 8 for how to divide up the booty and spoils from stealing, etc. Sura 16 contains more laws about treatment for adultery, orphans property, foods that are forbidden, pledges and oaths, etc. Sura 24 orders 100 lashes for adultery, 80 lashes for defaming honorable women (hence their owners honor), veiling of women, marriage rules, slavery laws, etc.
I've asked you this before and received no answer from you, so I'm asking again: What do YOU think Shari'ah is?
BTW, it's COPY and paste, NOT "cut and paste"
written by Malem , April 10, 2012
Yes, it seems Salad is Duh, funny how he appeared moments after Duh left, very interesting. He is lost anyway.
Salad, why would I explain Quantum Physics to you, you cannot grasp the concept of simple debate. Aside from that I am not a Physicist rather a Physician, I realize they look similar but they are two very different occupations and studies. Nice try Duh..err I mean Salad
Salad, why would I explain Quantum Physics to you, you cannot grasp the concept of simple debate. Aside from that I am not a Physicist rather a Physician, I realize they look similar but they are two very different occupations and studies. Nice try Duh..err I mean Salad
written by Yibel , April 11, 2012
that Muhammad was the perfect man, and that Muhammad must be obeyed just as if he was Allah. Therefore, everything that Muhammad ever said or did was perfect and must be obeyed. Therefore, the aHadith and Sunnah of the perfect man must be obeyed. This is according to the Qur'an, the perfect book, sent down by the perfect god. And there is a perfect copy/original under the throne of Allah somewhere up above Makkah, the perfect city, way high above the seventh sky/heaven that Allah created after he created the seven earths, one above the other, that are all laid out like carpets , or a bed, with the lower sky made solid with no cracks in it and filled with little lights and a big lantern in the daytime that goes to spend the night with allah in his high place awaiting allah's orders to rise again the next day. And allah threw down the mountains to stablize the earth because it was all shaky up sitting up there on the horns of the giant bull that stands on the back of a hippo, or is it a turtle, that floats in a very large sea.
And Muhammad once road on a donkey, or horse, to meet up with Allah in his heavens and talked him out of making Muslims pray 50 times a day, which is why Muslims only have to pray 5 times a day. Muhammad the perfect man!
And then Muhammad went to hell where he found out that it was full of wives and jinn (geniis) which is why all the Qur'an passages only talk about Allah's soldiers going to paradise with pearly little boys and dark-eyed, big-busted virgin girls for their pleasure, and no wives!
And you Muslims really believe that any sane person will believe this stuff?
And Muhammad once road on a donkey, or horse, to meet up with Allah in his heavens and talked him out of making Muslims pray 50 times a day, which is why Muslims only have to pray 5 times a day. Muhammad the perfect man!
And then Muhammad went to hell where he found out that it was full of wives and jinn (geniis) which is why all the Qur'an passages only talk about Allah's soldiers going to paradise with pearly little boys and dark-eyed, big-busted virgin girls for their pleasure, and no wives!
And you Muslims really believe that any sane person will believe this stuff?
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