"Love in not enough", advises Ali Sina.
 Madly in love today, maybe bitter enemies tomorrow |
From : Frank (name changed),
I am not a Muslim, but an Agnostic. I believe in love. In my opinion fighting fire with fire, results in… more fire. However, your web page is very enlightening.
I have a personal request for you in regards to my own life. I believe that you may shed some light on my situation. I would appreciate it if you could make the time for a brief exchange of opinion.
I am a 30+ year old independent consulting engineer. I started a relationship with my banker, who is a wonderful Muslim woman. We mutually agreed that religion is a personal choice, and that we will respect each other’s choices.
The relationship is currently based on electronic communication.
The only contact we have had outside work has been one lunch break. Since then she is always busy: exams, family, etc. Her current commitment is to make a meeting happen next week, after an important banking exam.
She is actively involved in the Muslim community.
She describes her family as conservative.
She declares her love to me.
She also declares her love for her family.
She does not want to lose them, or me.
She has never been married.
As a person with intimate knowledge of Islam, and one who has an open mind, I would appreciate if you could share your wisdom with me.
I trust you also believe in love (as a feeling, and as a conscious decision that has to be made).
Kind regards
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Hi Frank (name changed)
Love is overrated. You may love someone today and stop loving him/her the next day. All divorces happen between couples who were once madly in love with each other. Spouses who once were best friends become mortal enemies. Yes love is important. It is a sine qua non for a happy marriage, but it is not everything. There must be also compatibility.
As a non-Muslim you will never have compatibility with a Muslim partner for whom religion is important and is actively involved in it.
Marriage is not just for the benefit of the couple. In fact it is not about them at all. It is for the benefit of the children. Marriage is an institution we humans have devised to protect our future generations. It is a sacred institution made for the survival and the happiness of our species. If it were not for children we would never have invented the marriage. The fact that we fall in love and develop loyalty to our partner is nature’s way to ensure our future generations are protected and provided for. You don’t see this kind of marital love and relationship in most other mammals because their offspring does not need so much paternal care as human babies do. On the other hand most species of birds form monogamous relationships, some for life and some for the duration of hatching and fledgling of their chicks. Monogamy among mamals is rare. Only 3% of mamals are monogamous, in contrast 90% of birds are monogamous.
Some people think marriage is a religious institution – a relic of the past. This is not true. Marriage is an evolutionary imperative in humans. The ceremony itself is just a social contract but marital commitment is in our nature.
When you try to choose a life partner, think about your future children first. How their best interest will be served? They are the primary purpose of marriage. Of course you get love and companionship from marriage too. But this is not why marriage was instituted. Marriage was instituted for the benefit of children. Everything else is a bonus.
Children need a harmonious place to grow. When you marry a Muslim and you are not, your relationship will NOT be harmonious. The exhilaration of sexual attraction will die very soon. Honeymoon will be over in days. To live with someone for the rest of your life you need to be compatible together.
Yes religion is a personal matter, but that is only in your relationship with your co-workers and your neighbors, not with your spouse. How will you raise your children? If you teach them a set of values and she tells them something different the kids will be confused and disoriented. If the father and mother don’t respect each other’s opinions and beliefs, children cannot respect either one of them, or worse, they will take side. The mother has more emotional control over the children. So be prepared to be the outsider in your own home.
There will be also conflicts in other areas. If you can’t share your thoughts with your spouse because they will offend her you grow apart. Soon you will feel you are living with a stranger with whom you have little in common. Then both of you may find others to share your soul with and maybe other things. Infidelity happens when spouses have nothing to talk about. And I can assure you that you’ll have very little to talk about with a brain dead Muslim. Don’t deceive yourself. There are no bright Muslims. If they are, they will leave Islam.
Also this woman is not being truthful to you. She is a devout Muslim coming from a conservative Muslim family. She knows that as a Muslim woman she cannot marry a non-Muslim man. But she is hiding this fact from you for the time being until she has you on the hook. Then the mind games and manipulations begin and she will gradually try to corner you into accepting Islam. It will be of course just to please her parents and other silly excuses. It will be only a "formality" to keep the peace in her family and if you love her enough you should make that little sacrifice. Once you give in you lose your respect. Nature dictates that men must lead and women must follow. If you do anything that goes against this law of nature, you will lose your status and with it your respect. With words she may praise you but as a man you are finished. She is a woman after all and women don’t have a lot of respect for weak men. She perceives you as one who is willing to give up on his principles for her and that is a death sentence of a good relationship.
I am not suggesting that men should be obstinate. That is a turn off. In ordinary things, it is better to be accommodating. How to decorate the house, where to eat, where to go for vacation, etc., are things that you should give in, if she feels strongly about them. However, in matters of principle never give in no matter how she insists and threatens you. I can’t see anything more fundamental than one’s belief. Women will love you more if they find you stronger than them. Once again I must emphasize that obstinacy is not strength, it is camouflaging weakness.
It is up to you to decide what to do. But since you asked me I will give you my opinion, even though it may not be what you hoped to hear. I suggest you either stop meeting her or meet her and tell her what I told you. Tell her for the sake of the children you should both belong to the same faith. Tell her you are willing to convert to Islam if she reads my book and shows where I am wrong (I will send you a PDF file if you ask for it). This is a trick. It is intended to make her read my book. Once she reads it she will leave Islam. If that happens, then date her and see whether you are really compatible in other areas. If she refuses to read, say goodbye and thank me for saving you from a lot of unnecessary future pain. The chances that you will find happiness with a devout Muslim is very slim.
Muslims are like anyone else. They can be smart, charming, loving or just cranky and moody, etc. However, there is something very sinister in them. That is their belief in a psychopath. When people follow a psychopath they can do irrational things that are beyond your expectation. They can be also extremely ruthless and evil. Remember that Muslims have no understanding of the Golden Rule. That is a big disadvantage for you or for anyone dealing with them.
Help this woman to leave Islam or dump her. That is the bottom line.
BTW, I am not fighting fire with fire. I am fighting ignorance with rationality.
Cheers
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written by vbv , April 07, 2012
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written by bundypig , April 07, 2012
http://www.smh.com.au/world/dancing-into-dangerous-territory-as-forbidden-practice-thrives-again-20120406-1wgln.html
what a world of sick people, following their prophet to hell
written by Salladin , April 07, 2012
VBV is not only hostile to islam someone. You're wrong as many times. He, like many, thinks all religions especially the abrahamic ones are lies as being from a possible creator wich i agree with. You see, this is islam watch and that's why we oppose the rigid form of islam, but ofcourse there isn't a single religion from God. There might be a god ofcourse but we can only believe it, never proove it. A possible creator doesn't need worship, He is too great for that and selfsufficient. Therefor we all are children of a possible creator, not his slaves. It's quite easy actually if you think about it.
written by Salladin , April 07, 2012
written by Salladin , April 07, 2012
written by BBB , April 07, 2012
written by Proud Infidel , April 07, 2012
written by Fineliving56 , April 07, 2012
PLEASE ..... RUN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION ... AND DO NOT LOOK BACK ...
My son who was born American open minded and easy at heart ... we as his parents invited him to meet and marry a Muslim women from Syria who was hiding her devotion to Islam and acted as moderate Muslim as anyone can be .... it took 3 years and 2 kids to find out later, he and her 2 sisters were abused and molested [ this the first time I admitted this about my ex daughter in law ... it sadness for me ... but it has to be takled about ] .. by her Muslim father but to the point of Not loosing her honor [ she told my son all this after he discoverd her sever depression]
Her tortured soul made her turn to Islam full force to the point of madness , she believed a Jinn took over her mind so she tried to get rid of it by blasting the recitation of taped Qur'an all over her house ... could be heard in the streets .
She came to us and dropped her 2 baby daughters saying ... the jinn is telling me to harm my children ... I am scared for them ... so take them ... we did and now we are raising them .
She was diagnosed as mentally ill ... her family took her to sheik to do reading of Quran to get rid of Jinn that in her [ which of course ..all in her mind and there Muslim sick minds ... there is no such a thing] ....that did not work .... only us, the sane people knew that but the zombis Muslim did not ... no surprise there is there?
it took a doctor and meds to fix her ... not a Muslim sheik ... the Muslim Skeis lied and lied ... to there last yellow teeth that they have left . ... I feel sorry for these demented people .
I am not saying all Muslim women are like her ... but they all believe in superstition and jinns garbage that Muhammad believed in to point of absolute insanity ..
So
Why would you ... Frank ... want to tackle and live in that kind backwardness ...
a divorce is the easy way out of this kind of marriage ... so imagine what is the difficult way out ...
take my son story to heart and think before you commit your self ...
PEACE TO YOU
written by Tanstaafl jw , April 07, 2012
written by Salladin , April 07, 2012
written by finelivng56 , April 07, 2012
And to think that , she started praying almost non stop the way I disturbed for 8 month praying to her Allah ...she believed Allah will answer her prayer and get rid of her Jinn ... my son was praying too on own to Allah [ when he believed at that time ] to try to get healed ... . because he knew she had a mental problem but it has nothing to do with a Jinn ...
He told me ... '' when I realized she prayed for 8 month and her problem only got worse , I realized that there is no Allah that is listening or God or anything out there that could help in any way ... only we could help our selves ... he is an atheist now and he is happier and stronger then ever been ... even due she still cause him all kind of problems because of the life time connection with her through the kids. ...
Thank you for your kind words ... I read your post and learned you are an Arab I am happy to have another Arab here [ but sane and logical ...haha ] ...
Are you an ex Muslim ? .. can you tell us your story how left Islam ...
thank you
written by Rzq , April 07, 2012
Still living with your cat and paying for hookers???
"trick" who would have thought it Ali would deceive someone so they can read his rag! Ali your humanist mask is starting to slip and your grotesque face is becoming visible. The end is nigh as they say!!!!
written by Rzq , April 07, 2012
Now here is a link to your other lying post about a scribe!
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Sarh/
written by Muslim and proud , April 07, 2012
My son who was born American open minded and easy at heart ... we as his parents invited him to meet and marry a Muslim women from Syria who was hiding her devotion to Islam and acted as moderate Muslim as anyone can be
So as an apostate, the she-devil did not have a problem with her non-muslim son marrying a 'moderate' muslim..............priceless
written by Rzq , April 07, 2012
Did you know my sons wife's brothers aunt hubby was married to a blah blah blah.
This is getting silly now!
written by Infidel and More Proud , April 07, 2012
proof http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2koek3lydAM
written by fineliving56 , April 07, 2012
I have written a post in answer to your side tracks about Muhammad the LIAR and changing Quran when Abdallah ask him to ..... but it was not posted ... it might, later
written by fineliving56 , April 07, 2012
WOW Muslim mind ... not only they can not think ... they can not put 2 and 2 together and figure things out on their own ...
haha
written by Rzq , April 07, 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qa9N-8irN4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Sent from my iPhone
written by Guy Macher , April 07, 2012
Friends don't let friends date Muslims! Simple rule.
written by Salladin , April 08, 2012
for real entertainment see: The Perfect Guide to the Sciences of the Qur’an (Al-Itqān fi ‘Ulum Al-Qur’an).
He was not just a muslim to be discarded. Jalaluddin Al-Suyuti (Arabic: جلال الدين السيوطي) (c. 1445–1505 AD) also known as Ibn al-Kutub (son of books) was an Egyptian writer, religious scholar, juristic expert and teacher whose works deal with a wide variety of subjects in Islamic theology. He was precocious and was already a teacher in 1462. In 1486, he was appointed to a chair in the mosque of Baybars in Cairo. He adhered to the Shafi'i Madhab and is one of the latter-day authorities of the Shafi'i School, considered to be one of the Ashabun-Nazzar (Assessors) whose degree of Ijtihad is agreed upon
written by Salladin , April 08, 2012
written by Richard the lionheart , April 08, 2012
Go take up the issue with Islamic awareness since you are a coin expert!
written by Salladin , April 08, 2012
written by vbv , April 08, 2012
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written by Taliban , April 08, 2012
written by Rzq , April 08, 2012
Taliban=Stupid, Lazy, Rubbish, Problem, Lie, Barbarian, Dirty, Ugly, Noisy, Crazy, Oppress, Violent, Behead, Horror, War, Boom, Politic, Womanizing, Pedophilia, Polygamy, Fanatic, Evil, Terrorist
written by 1proudkaffur4life , April 08, 2012
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Sarh/
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As a matter of fact, there is an entire science dedicated to the study of the life of the companions of the Prophet and the later generations of Muslims who were involved in the transmission of hadîth. This science is called .... the Science of the Folk)
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Here another topic is mentioned that this particular strand of Islam relies on "Scientists" to explain the life of early muslims. But of course there are also other Islamic sciences and Scholars (or Imams) to explain the last message of the stoned-gawd allah.
That the Quooraan is not save from being tampered with once can hear EVERY time a Muslim commits a terror-act. In the PERSONS mind he is ONE, no matter how others might deny his own claim! Then this "radical" misunderstood the quooraan or the example of the lice-ridden profeet etc. etc. we are then told. Funny that the last book of this demented stone-gawd allah should be so prone to be misunderstood, and to assure the "faithful" to have the correct "meaning" Muslims need other humans to TELL them what the quooran "means"!
Can these "Scholars/Imams" claim to receive "Gabriel" with clarifications? Or that allah speaks to them? Of course not, and since we see up to this day HOW the quooran is misunderstood how can it be a "clear" book, a guide without any errors in it? Should it not rather be the that if one reads the book everything is so clear that one does NOT need others to understand it? I'm not saying that for children the message should not be adopted, but GROWN mature men or women SHOULD NOT NEED explanation by Scholars to UNDERSTAND THE most BASIC GUIDE any gawd would give to the faithful. But this is clearly not the case!
If in two passages it says the day by allah is 1.000 years (a concept held by the Jews prior to the invention of Islam) and in another one 50.000 years which is correct? Or the 7 earth and heavens.
13:7 And those who disbelieve say: Why has not a sign been sent down upon him from his Lord? You are only a warner and (there is) a guide for every people. Quote End]
Really a guide to "every" people? Did the Natives of the Americans or others receive such guides, after all they practiced some weird religions... most likely these guides were as inept as Mohamed while he was in Mecca.....
written by pipo , April 08, 2012
Mohammad= Stupid, Rubbish, Problem, Lie, Barbarian, Dirty, Ugly, Noisy, Crazy, Oppress, Violent, Behead, Horror, War, Boom, Politic, Womanizing, Pedophilia, Polygamy, Fanatic, Evil, Terrorist.
But in defence of Mohammad... it has never been proved that he was Stupid, Lazy, Dirty, Ugly and Noisy.
written by Rzq , April 08, 2012
That's more like it'
written by Rzq , April 08, 2012
Yeah pricks who call themselves Ali sina, ibn kammuna, Ibn warraq, Abu serh!
written by Brown Superman , April 09, 2012
But those born muslims are excited as always....... 72 houris on the paradise beaches. I wonder if these Allah (the pimp) given whores are in bikini or nothing at all.
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written by Proud Infidel , April 11, 2012
"You can now rest". Really? And you are in charge of what, again? Or are you just practicing your slave owner skills again?
written by Real salladin , April 15, 2012
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