How the Quran allows marriages with grandmothers and granddaughters, and how Muslims, who claim themselves to be the only thinking people, think too much to twist the real and clear meaning of the unethical or erroneous Quranic verses to their liking...
Muslims love to say that the Quran is for people, who are thinking-minded, as if non-Muslims were idiots, who do not use their brains. They will make this claim despite the fact that non-Muslims today comprise a civilization that powered more by brain and thinking than the Muslim civilization. In other words, it is actually the Muslims, who appear less inclined to think and use their brains. The same applies to their reading and understanding the Quran.
In order to make it obvious, let me first ask this question: Is it ok to marry and have sex with your grandmothers or your granddaughters?
Most right-thinking people will emphatically answer "no", which is the correct answer morally.
Now let us read what Quran says about whom the Muslims can marry in An Nisa 4:23-24. Prohibited to you (For marriage) are
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- Your mothers, daughters, sisters;
- father's sisters, Mother's sisters;
- brother's daughters, sister's daughters;
- foster-mothers (Who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers;
- your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone in,- no prohibition if ye have not gone in;-
- (Those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful;-
- Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess:
Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
So, a Muslim can have sex with any women, except those listed above, as long as he marries the woman and give the dowry.
Now, if one uses her/his brain and think carefully about the verse, he/she will find that grandmothers and granddaughters are not on the list. Consequently, a Muslim can marry and have sex with them lawfully. Here is another instance, where Islam allows Muslims to engage in incest.
This certainly a disgusting thing to do; and most Muslims today will also likely not approve this consequence of the verse 4:23-24. But they can not deny that Allah allows it. Otherwise, they have to say: Allah made a mistake in the Quran.
Some Muslims have offered a feeble argument that since your mother is unlawful because of blood relation, then the mother of your mother automatically becomes unlawful because of the blood relations. Similarly, granddaughter becomes prohibited, because she is the daughter of your daughter.
This argument does not stand, because the above verses allow first cousin marriage, although there is common blood between first cousins. And cousin marriage is morally acceptable to all Muslims.
When your aunt, like your mother, is unlawful because of blood relations, your aunt’s daughters, i.e. your first cousins, should also be unlawful using the same principle. So, Islam’s sanction of cousin marriage nullifies the above argument against granddaughter/grandmother marriage on the ground of blood relations.
So what the Muslim will do? Back to square one: They will say that the Quran is for the thinking people. They will argue that we are thinking people and do not accept what it literally and clearly says or allows. Instead, what we Muslims, the thinking people, think about the Quran is what is correct. In other word, just ignore what the Quran clearly says, because Islam is for thinking people, and we the thinking Muslims think and judge what is right and what is wrong. So much the Quran is the perfect divine guidance for the mankind!
Instead of accepting that there could be errors in the Quran, Muslims change what the Quran really says and boast that there is no error in the Quran. That’s is their way of being and claiming to be the people who think. Yeah, right! The real, logically, thinking people have no choice but to conclude that Muslims think, but stupidly or dishonestly.
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written by milad meah , April 11, 2012
I very much appreciate, this article was very helpful to me.
Thanks
Thanks
written by Rzq , April 11, 2012
What is the point if having this posting site when every post is snatched to admin?????
written by Muslim and proud , April 11, 2012
Mr Khan is busy trying to convince muslims that apostates must be killed. You are busy promoting incest.
You people are sickos.
You people are sickos.
written by Malem , April 11, 2012
You might want to revisit the Quran, it does NOT allow one to marry their Grandmother or Granddaughter. Taleb must be proud of his father Abu Taleb making sucha false claim, as you must not be a muslim at all. A good reference and explanation is on Bakkah dot net. [1]: Your mother, grandmother, great grandmother, etc.
[2]: Your daughter, granddaughter, great granddaughter, etc.
[3]: Your sister, your sister's daughter, granddaughter, etc.
[4]: Your niece (your brother's daugther in this case), your niece's daughter, granddaughter, etc.
[5]: The sister of your father, grandfather, etc (paternal aunt)
[6]: The sister of your mother, grandmother, etc. (maternal aunt)
[6]: The sister of your mother, grandmother, etc. (maternal aunt)
[7]: All of the above from a breastfeeding relationship (if a wet nurse breastfed you as an infant)
[8]: The wife or ex-wife of your father, grandfather, great grandfather, etc. (even from a breastfeeding relationship)
[9]: The wife or ex-wife of your son, grandson, great grandson, etc. (even from a breastfeeding relationship)
[10]: Your wife's mother (your mother-in-law), your wife's grandmother, etc. (even from a breastfeeding relationship) whether the marriage was consumated or not
[11]: Your wife's daughter (your step-daughter), your wife's granddaughter, etc. (even from a breastfeeding relationship) only if the marriage was consumated
[12]: The mother, grandmother, etc. and daughter, granddaughter, etc. of a woman you mistakenly had sexual intercourse with, thinking she was your wife (may Allaah protect us from such trials)
[13]: The mother, grandmother, etc. and daughter, granddaughter, etc. of a woman you had illegal sexual intercourse (zinaa) with (may Allaah protect us from such trials)
[14]: The mother, grandmother, etc. and daughter, granddaughter, etc. of a man you had homosexual
[15]: Your ex-wife whom you accused of committing adultery in a Mulaa'anah case in an Islamic court (may Allaah protect us from such trials)
[2]: Your daughter, granddaughter, great granddaughter, etc.
[3]: Your sister, your sister's daughter, granddaughter, etc.
[4]: Your niece (your brother's daugther in this case), your niece's daughter, granddaughter, etc.
[5]: The sister of your father, grandfather, etc (paternal aunt)
[6]: The sister of your mother, grandmother, etc. (maternal aunt)
[6]: The sister of your mother, grandmother, etc. (maternal aunt)
[7]: All of the above from a breastfeeding relationship (if a wet nurse breastfed you as an infant)
[8]: The wife or ex-wife of your father, grandfather, great grandfather, etc. (even from a breastfeeding relationship)
[9]: The wife or ex-wife of your son, grandson, great grandson, etc. (even from a breastfeeding relationship)
[10]: Your wife's mother (your mother-in-law), your wife's grandmother, etc. (even from a breastfeeding relationship) whether the marriage was consumated or not
[11]: Your wife's daughter (your step-daughter), your wife's granddaughter, etc. (even from a breastfeeding relationship) only if the marriage was consumated
[12]: The mother, grandmother, etc. and daughter, granddaughter, etc. of a woman you mistakenly had sexual intercourse with, thinking she was your wife (may Allaah protect us from such trials)
[13]: The mother, grandmother, etc. and daughter, granddaughter, etc. of a woman you had illegal sexual intercourse (zinaa) with (may Allaah protect us from such trials)
[14]: The mother, grandmother, etc. and daughter, granddaughter, etc. of a man you had homosexual
[15]: Your ex-wife whom you accused of committing adultery in a Mulaa'anah case in an Islamic court (may Allaah protect us from such trials)
written by Gnostic , April 11, 2012
Abu Taleb is right. Accoding to the quran, everybody can marry his grandma! Malem, what would you expect from a book that claims everywhere that it is so clear and so easy to understand?
And there is even more to say. In line 6 the quran mentions the sons who derived from your loins. Other translations refer to the backbone. Both translations refer to wrong ancient thoughts, were the sperms come from. In fact nobody in the world has sons who derived from their loins or backbones. Another typical quranic error!
For all people who dont know: Sperms derive from the balls!
And there is even more to say. In line 6 the quran mentions the sons who derived from your loins. Other translations refer to the backbone. Both translations refer to wrong ancient thoughts, were the sperms come from. In fact nobody in the world has sons who derived from their loins or backbones. Another typical quranic error!
For all people who dont know: Sperms derive from the balls!
written by Editor, M A Khan , April 11, 2012
Stop spamming; stop being abusive in comment.
Discuss the article subject matter, only.
Discuss the article subject matter, only.
written by Editor, M A Khan , April 11, 2012
Here's the verse:
SHAKIR: Forbidden to you are your mothers and your daughters and your sisters and your paternal aunts and your maternal aunts and brothers' daughters and sisters' daughters and your mothers that have suckled you and your foster-sisters and mothers of your wives and your step-daughters who are in your guardianship, (born) of your wives to whom you have gone in, but if you have not gone in to them, there is no blame on you (in marrying them), and the wives of your sons who are of your own loins and that you should have two sisters together, except what has already passed; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.Abu Taleb is on target in saying, "Muslims think, but stupidly or dishonestly."
written by rzq , April 11, 2012
abu wouldnt know a target if it hit his face. neither would you come to think of it.
does everything have to be spelt out to you khan????
the verse in question deals with the issue of muharranmat.
forbidden to you are حُرِّمَتْ عَلَيْكُمْ
أُمَّهَـتُكُمْ - ummu means mother the word kum at the end denotes plural. So its translated as mothers.
This includes your mother and your grandmother, maternal or paternal.
This means your daughters and grand daughters maternal and paternal وَبَنَـتُكُمْ
So what is abu the incompetant on about.
care to clarify khan?
does everything have to be spelt out to you khan????
the verse in question deals with the issue of muharranmat.
forbidden to you are حُرِّمَتْ عَلَيْكُمْ
أُمَّهَـتُكُمْ - ummu means mother the word kum at the end denotes plural. So its translated as mothers.
This includes your mother and your grandmother, maternal or paternal.
This means your daughters and grand daughters maternal and paternal وَبَنَـتُكُمْ
So what is abu the incompetant on about.
care to clarify khan?
written by rzq , April 11, 2012
"Abu Taleb is on target in saying, "Muslims think, but stupidly or dishonestly."
Those are your words.
you want to give me a tafsir which expressley allows what you say.
a scholar who has allowed it even?
what about a pattern that its true?
any book of shariah- islamic law which permits that?
come to think of it mr murtad, did your mother of father ever teach you that you disgiusting little runt? I am assuming they were/are muslim.
Those are your words.
you want to give me a tafsir which expressley allows what you say.
a scholar who has allowed it even?
what about a pattern that its true?
any book of shariah- islamic law which permits that?
come to think of it mr murtad, did your mother of father ever teach you that you disgiusting little runt? I am assuming they were/are muslim.
written by Amboyduke , April 11, 2012
Scholars in islam?...Hahahaha...!!
"You are busy promoting incest.
You people are sickos."
The koran is promoting incest, no one else...!!!
Hhahahahahahaaa!!!
"You are busy promoting incest.
You people are sickos."
The koran is promoting incest, no one else...!!!
Hhahahahahahaaa!!!
written by Rzq , April 11, 2012
Go foxtrott uniform Charlie kilo off.
Let your apostate master speak!!!
Let your apostate master speak!!!
written by Scrutator , April 11, 2012
written by rzq, April 11, 2012
"Abu Taleb is on target in saying, "Muslims think, but stupidly or dishonestly."
Those are your words.
you want to give me a tafsir which expressley allows what you say.
a scholar who has allowed it even?
what about a pattern that its true?
any book of shariah- islamic law which permits that?
The Quran says that !
Isn't the Quran "clear" and "easy to understand" ?
So, why would you or anyone else need a "tafsir" to understand it ?
I thought you lot were Quran-only muslims !
When they go against Muhammad, you ignore the Hadiths, Tafsir and Sira as being 'weak' or 'unreliable', but when in trouble you call for these ! How very convenient, isn't it ?
Islamists, stick to the translations of Shakir !
"Abu Taleb is on target in saying, "Muslims think, but stupidly or dishonestly."
Those are your words.
you want to give me a tafsir which expressley allows what you say.
a scholar who has allowed it even?
what about a pattern that its true?
any book of shariah- islamic law which permits that?
The Quran says that !
Isn't the Quran "clear" and "easy to understand" ?
So, why would you or anyone else need a "tafsir" to understand it ?
I thought you lot were Quran-only muslims !
When they go against Muhammad, you ignore the Hadiths, Tafsir and Sira as being 'weak' or 'unreliable', but when in trouble you call for these ! How very convenient, isn't it ?
Islamists, stick to the translations of Shakir !
written by malem , April 11, 2012
You very well know that there are verses in the Koran that forbid this type of marriage. i am surprised that a supposed knowledgeable person woudl even hint that this is true. There are many verses in the Quran that forbid this, although by selection you chose not to list them, interesting approach!
written by Rzq , April 11, 2012
Read my above post!
I have quoted from the text and broke the actual words down!
I have also given you the meanings!
What are you talking about!!
I have quoted from the text and broke the actual words down!
I have also given you the meanings!
What are you talking about!!
written by Malem , April 11, 2012
Your posts truly mirror your intelligence, and please note your post have no facts within them or actual knowledge of which you speak
written by Editor, M A Khan , April 11, 2012
Only idiots will say and believe that mothers mean grandmothers or daughters mean granddaughters.
For Rzq, the Quran must mention mother in plural, because Islam allows polygamy. So, a person is supposed to have more than one mother -- own mother, plus up to three more stepmothers, plus also possibly the sex-slaves of the father. So, if the Quran doesn't mention mother in plural, it would legalize marrying one's stepmothers.
For Rzq, the Quran must mention mother in plural, because Islam allows polygamy. So, a person is supposed to have more than one mother -- own mother, plus up to three more stepmothers, plus also possibly the sex-slaves of the father. So, if the Quran doesn't mention mother in plural, it would legalize marrying one's stepmothers.
written by AbuTaleb , April 12, 2012
002.216
... But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.
So for muslims, if you think incest with your grandmothers and granddaughters are bad, you should just accept it because your Allah knows and you don't that incest with them is good for you. LOL
... But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.
So for muslims, if you think incest with your grandmothers and granddaughters are bad, you should just accept it because your Allah knows and you don't that incest with them is good for you. LOL
written by god , April 12, 2012
m a khan
written by rzq , April 11, 2012
abu wouldnt know a target if it hit his face. neither would you come to think of it.
does everything have to be spelt out to you khan????
the verse in question deals with the issue of muharranmat.
forbidden to you are حُرِّمَتْ عَلَيْكُمْ
أُمَّهَـتُكُمْ - ummu means mother the word kum at the end denotes plural. So its translated as mothers.
This includes your mother and your grandmother, maternal or paternal.
This means your daughters and grand daughters maternal and paternal وَبَنَـتُكُمْ
So what is abu the incompetant on about.
care to clarify khan?
idiot... why is it in plural? Because every muslim can have MANY WIVES so the little kid as MANY MOTHERS hahahahaha which includes : mother 1, mother 2, mother 3, mother 4 and etc :-) and more than 2 = plural
stop trying to fool people with your stupid taqqiya of my ass
written by rzq , April 11, 2012
abu wouldnt know a target if it hit his face. neither would you come to think of it.
does everything have to be spelt out to you khan????
the verse in question deals with the issue of muharranmat.
forbidden to you are حُرِّمَتْ عَلَيْكُمْ
أُمَّهَـتُكُمْ - ummu means mother the word kum at the end denotes plural. So its translated as mothers.
This includes your mother and your grandmother, maternal or paternal.
This means your daughters and grand daughters maternal and paternal وَبَنَـتُكُمْ
So what is abu the incompetant on about.
care to clarify khan?
idiot... why is it in plural? Because every muslim can have MANY WIVES so the little kid as MANY MOTHERS hahahahaha which includes : mother 1, mother 2, mother 3, mother 4 and etc :-) and more than 2 = plural
stop trying to fool people with your stupid taqqiya of my ass
written by paul , April 12, 2012
that is how i would understand it also that mothers mean real mother plus mother in laws ;)
it seems more strange to say that mother would mean grand mother than it meaning mother in law or step mom :)
it seems more strange to say that mother would mean grand mother than it meaning mother in law or step mom :)
written by Tabari , April 12, 2012
"ALLAH CREATED 2 SUNS AND THEN CHANGED ONE SUN INTO THE MOON WITH ITS OWN LIGHT" TABARI 1;233... SEE HOW SILLY ISLAM IS?.... "ALLAH CREATED ALL WOMEN STUPID" TABARI 1:280.....
written by Gnostic , April 12, 2012
In 86.7 the quran says that sperm comes from between ribs and loins.
Here is some information for so many muslims who are still in so desperate need for senual education!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H594uOnPkg
Here is some information for so many muslims who are still in so desperate need for senual education!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H594uOnPkg
written by Salladin , April 12, 2012
It never mentions the ovule. The qur'an thinks blood mutates when sperm is poured in a woman....and we are the ignorant ones, the kuffar? As long as muslims believe it, it's ok with me!
written by Rzq , April 12, 2012
khan, can you actually read???
4:22 deals with the issue of the father and his wife(s)
4:23 is dealing with the issue of mother and grandmothers.
Later in 4:23 it deals with daughters and granddaughters.
And mother in laws.
Your attempts lie are obvious. You do nothing but deceive!!!
4:22 deals with the issue of the father and his wife(s)
4:23 is dealing with the issue of mother and grandmothers.
Later in 4:23 it deals with daughters and granddaughters.
And mother in laws.
Your attempts lie are obvious. You do nothing but deceive!!!
written by Rzq , April 12, 2012
taqqiya
written by god , April 12, 2012
m a khan
written by rzq , April 11, 2012
abu wouldnt know a target if it hit his face. neither would you come to think of it.
does everything have to be spelt out to you khan????
the verse in question deals with the issue of muharranmat.
forbidden to you are حُرِّمَتْ عَلَيْكُمْ
أُمَّهَـتُكُمْ - ummu means mother the word kum at the end denotes plural. So its translated as mothers.
This includes your mother and your grandmother, maternal or paternal.
This means your daughters and grand daughters maternal and paternal وَبَنَـتُكُمْ
So what is abu the incompetant on about.
care to clarify khan?
idiot... why is it in plural? Because every muslim can have MANY WIVES so the little kid as MANY MOTHERS hahahahaha which includes : mother 1, mother 2, mother 3, mother 4 and etc :-) and more than 2 = plural
stop trying to fool people with your stupid taqqiya of my ass
Idiot the fathers wife(s) are dealt with in 4:22. Not very smart are you?
4:23 deals with mothers and grandmothers and daughters and granddaughters.
Then mum in laws too!
It is you who is trying to fool people.
Care to use you usual user name??? Coward!
written by god , April 12, 2012
m a khan
written by rzq , April 11, 2012
abu wouldnt know a target if it hit his face. neither would you come to think of it.
does everything have to be spelt out to you khan????
the verse in question deals with the issue of muharranmat.
forbidden to you are حُرِّمَتْ عَلَيْكُمْ
أُمَّهَـتُكُمْ - ummu means mother the word kum at the end denotes plural. So its translated as mothers.
This includes your mother and your grandmother, maternal or paternal.
This means your daughters and grand daughters maternal and paternal وَبَنَـتُكُمْ
So what is abu the incompetant on about.
care to clarify khan?
idiot... why is it in plural? Because every muslim can have MANY WIVES so the little kid as MANY MOTHERS hahahahaha which includes : mother 1, mother 2, mother 3, mother 4 and etc :-) and more than 2 = plural
stop trying to fool people with your stupid taqqiya of my ass
Idiot the fathers wife(s) are dealt with in 4:22. Not very smart are you?
4:23 deals with mothers and grandmothers and daughters and granddaughters.
Then mum in laws too!
It is you who is trying to fool people.
Care to use you usual user name??? Coward!
written by A Murtadd , April 12, 2012
As Abu Taleb already stated, Muslims try to explain errors through feeble logic. Your post, and bakkah dot net are great examples. The Quran lists seven and ONLY 7 exclusions. Any others you cook up, are feeble logic.
For example, take #12 in your list. How on earth do you "accidentally" have sexual intercourse with a woman who you thought was your wife? Has that ever happened to you? Not to me nor anyone I know! I am sure you will come up with another feeble logic reason but anyway, it is laughable. Please spare me.
For example, take #12 in your list. How on earth do you "accidentally" have sexual intercourse with a woman who you thought was your wife? Has that ever happened to you? Not to me nor anyone I know! I am sure you will come up with another feeble logic reason but anyway, it is laughable. Please spare me.
written by Malem , April 12, 2012
So you are know calling me an idiot after calling me stupid on the other post. Again I must ask about the posting rules and reactive negative in such a way to attack people verbally? Either way Grandmothers are Mothers, they are Grand Mothers....not sure what part of that you are unable to discern. I realize your desire to try and take a verse and present it in a way that presents itself in the most negative fashion, but you must also provide an opportunity to respond which clarifies why it is what you presented was not correct. That is not stupid or idiotic by any means, rather just the other side of debating a topic. If there is no other side allowed to present their views, that is akin to talking to yourself is it not?
written by Editor, M A Khan , April 12, 2012
I don't use double "nick". Stop accusing.
So, you think verse 4:22 covered the women your father married. So you mean: your mother is not a woman your father married. So, she has to be covered separately in verse 4:23?
So, you think verse 4:22 covered the women your father married. So you mean: your mother is not a woman your father married. So, she has to be covered separately in verse 4:23?
written by A Murtadd , April 12, 2012
malem, you said "Either way Grandmothers are Mothers, they are Grand Mothers....not sure what part of that you are unable to discern.". OK, granted. We run into a couple of problems:
a) By this same logic, "sisters" and "female cousins" would be equivalent. So where do Muslims get the nod for marrying their own cousins?
b) The verses specifically mention "brothers daughters" and "sisters daughters" (nieces), "fathers sisters" and "mothers sisters". Then why mention these specifically, if "mothers (plural)" a generic term in this context? If "mothers" is generic, surely it will also include your female aunts.
The Quran is equally crystal clear on this topic, as it is on the rules of inheritance. Illogical and riddled with errors in both cases.
a) By this same logic, "sisters" and "female cousins" would be equivalent. So where do Muslims get the nod for marrying their own cousins?
b) The verses specifically mention "brothers daughters" and "sisters daughters" (nieces), "fathers sisters" and "mothers sisters". Then why mention these specifically, if "mothers (plural)" a generic term in this context? If "mothers" is generic, surely it will also include your female aunts.
The Quran is equally crystal clear on this topic, as it is on the rules of inheritance. Illogical and riddled with errors in both cases.
written by MRobs , April 12, 2012
I think we all know muslims are stupid. Look how these people live in muslim countries and carry their same barbaric culture to countries they immigrate to. They still behave like 7th century savages.
written by Rzq , April 12, 2012
I didn't accuse you of anything. You are being paranoid. Back to the point.
4:22, uses the word aba okum again in plural. That means your father and grandfather. The grandfather is not written because of the okum at the end of the word. The grandfather bit is mustatir (hidden)in the word. It assumes you have enough intelligence to know. Arab speakers will tell you of this if you ask!
4:23 uses mother and daughter as plural, also encompassing grandmothers and grandaughters.
4:22 does not talk about mum 1,2,3 etc. A person has one biological mother.
Step mums and mother in laws are dealt in 4:23.
I think you need to go back to Arabic 101 and start again.
4:22, uses the word aba okum again in plural. That means your father and grandfather. The grandfather is not written because of the okum at the end of the word. The grandfather bit is mustatir (hidden)in the word. It assumes you have enough intelligence to know. Arab speakers will tell you of this if you ask!
4:23 uses mother and daughter as plural, also encompassing grandmothers and grandaughters.
4:22 does not talk about mum 1,2,3 etc. A person has one biological mother.
Step mums and mother in laws are dealt in 4:23.
I think you need to go back to Arabic 101 and start again.
written by Rzq , April 12, 2012
Your multiple wives if the father hence being mum1,2,3 etc
Falls at 4:22 because fathers is used as a plural nor single.
Now you know full well that dad 1,2,3 etc does not apply.
Why do you do all this bs? It's getting boring knocking you down!
Falls at 4:22 because fathers is used as a plural nor single.
Now you know full well that dad 1,2,3 etc does not apply.
Why do you do all this bs? It's getting boring knocking you down!
written by Amboyduke , April 12, 2012
I suppose my post was inappropriate, but you gotta admit it was true, as well as clever, no? LOL
I won't do it again, but these idiots get tiring....
and my feelings were hurt by being told to "foxtrot uniform Charlie Kilo" off...
I feel RZQ no longer loves me... :-( LOL
They sure can dance and weave to avoid the obvious...
I won't do it again, but these idiots get tiring....
and my feelings were hurt by being told to "foxtrot uniform Charlie Kilo" off...
I feel RZQ no longer loves me... :-( LOL
They sure can dance and weave to avoid the obvious...
written by Archpagan , April 12, 2012
Rather you people say that Allah should be forgiven for his inexperience in legal drafting. Ask your Allah to issue amendments to 4.22 and 4.33. Also ask that savage rascal to expunge the words 'except those whom your right hands possess'.
written by Rzq , April 12, 2012
Sierra Oscar Romeo Romeo Yankee, dude!!
Thought you had thicker skin!
Can we be best buds again???
:-)
Thought you had thicker skin!
Can we be best buds again???
:-)
written by Rzq , April 12, 2012
Khan is a yokel! When it comes to basic Arabic.
That's being corrected by me. The teacher I learn from would destroy him!
That's being corrected by me. The teacher I learn from would destroy him!
written by god , April 12, 2012
Response to Malem, "This post is laughable"
written by A Murtadd , April 12, 2012
As Abu Taleb already stated, Muslims try to explain errors through feeble logic. Your post, and bakkah dot net are great examples. The Quran lists seven and ONLY 7 exclusions. Any others you cook up, are feeble logic.
For example, take #12 in your list. How on earth do you "accidentally" have sexual intercourse with a woman who you thought was your wife? Has that ever happened to you? Not to me nor anyone I know! I am sure you will come up with another feeble logic reason but anyway, it is laughable. Please spare me.
It's pretty easy Malem... all women under sharia law are covered of about 5 inches of clothes, all you see is a pair of eyes so the lady lean forward presenting her ass and the man... thinking it's his obedient slave wife again wanting to give him a little pleasure again that way she won't be beaten again
oups, when time to kiss her to thank her... he remove this... this... those clothes and what does he see...... :O!!!!!!! NO WAY... IT WASNT HERRRRRRRRRRR... HOW COULD I... DAMNNNN I WAS SURE IT WAS HER... SCUSE ME ALLAHHHHHHHHH
and for rzq taking another verse to explain another verse it's totally STUPID AND MEANINGLESS
the first verse we're talking about it's about women you can marry and explaining there WHY mother is in plurals :-) your other verse I don't know where the f**k you took it but you can't say "heyyy look, at the first page fathers is plural, so... it means ... you know... father and grandfather... so further in that shitty book... mothers... in plural... shall mean the same hehhhehehehehe..."
have other stupid things like this to show to try to fool people around with your stone-age logic?!
btw I don't have a username because I'm not registered and I don't wanna register but when I can get a chance to slap a little rat muslim in the face :-) I do it with allllllllllllllllllllllllllll my satisfaction and pleasure!!!
written by A Murtadd , April 12, 2012
As Abu Taleb already stated, Muslims try to explain errors through feeble logic. Your post, and bakkah dot net are great examples. The Quran lists seven and ONLY 7 exclusions. Any others you cook up, are feeble logic.
For example, take #12 in your list. How on earth do you "accidentally" have sexual intercourse with a woman who you thought was your wife? Has that ever happened to you? Not to me nor anyone I know! I am sure you will come up with another feeble logic reason but anyway, it is laughable. Please spare me.
It's pretty easy Malem... all women under sharia law are covered of about 5 inches of clothes, all you see is a pair of eyes so the lady lean forward presenting her ass and the man... thinking it's his obedient slave wife again wanting to give him a little pleasure again that way she won't be beaten again
oups, when time to kiss her to thank her... he remove this... this... those clothes and what does he see...... :O!!!!!!! NO WAY... IT WASNT HERRRRRRRRRRR... HOW COULD I... DAMNNNN I WAS SURE IT WAS HER... SCUSE ME ALLAHHHHHHHHH
and for rzq taking another verse to explain another verse it's totally STUPID AND MEANINGLESS
the first verse we're talking about it's about women you can marry and explaining there WHY mother is in plurals :-) your other verse I don't know where the f**k you took it but you can't say "heyyy look, at the first page fathers is plural, so... it means ... you know... father and grandfather... so further in that shitty book... mothers... in plural... shall mean the same hehhhehehehehe..."
have other stupid things like this to show to try to fool people around with your stone-age logic?!
btw I don't have a username because I'm not registered and I don't wanna register but when I can get a chance to slap a little rat muslim in the face :-) I do it with allllllllllllllllllllllllllll my satisfaction and pleasure!!!
written by Rzq , April 12, 2012
4:22 is followed by 4:23. That's how books work. Not that you have the smarts for that.
written by Rzq , April 12, 2012
Is this you slapping someone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dxPO_Z57xg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dxPO_Z57xg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Sent from my iPhone
written by Malem , April 12, 2012
Slapping people gives you pleasure or slapping yourself, i cannot udnerstand your sentence structure, please clarify, thank you.
Murdad You state "By this same logic, "sisters" and "female cousins" " What Logic are you using mate? haha your humor is great!
Murdad You state "By this same logic, "sisters" and "female cousins" " What Logic are you using mate? haha your humor is great!
written by Salladin , April 12, 2012
God created adam and Eve and not Adam and Eve's. If all men would marry 2 or more wifes, there would be men without wifes since the percentage of man-woman in the world is almost equal. So it's not fair to others. Is Allah unfair to his creation?
written by Muslim and proud , April 12, 2012
There is no point in trying to convince these kuffar that it is not permissible for a muslim to marry his own Grandmotther.
Maybe these clowns don't realise that by simply making it impermissible to marry one's own mother or daughter, it makes it clear that it could never be permissoble to marry your own mother's mother (Grandmother), or father's mother, as well as grandchildren. It's as simple as that.
Mr Khan et al - if you can provide reference to any fatwa that gives your sick viewpoint any clout, please do so...........good luck.
Maybe these clowns don't realise that by simply making it impermissible to marry one's own mother or daughter, it makes it clear that it could never be permissoble to marry your own mother's mother (Grandmother), or father's mother, as well as grandchildren. It's as simple as that.
Mr Khan et al - if you can provide reference to any fatwa that gives your sick viewpoint any clout, please do so...........good luck.
written by Mohamed , April 12, 2012
http://islamic-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=7038
On the very next page Qadhi Khan records a classic Fatwa of Imam Abu Hanifa
"if a person marries a mahram (mother, sister, daughter, aunt etc.) and has sexual intercourse with them and even admits the fact that he knew while performing the marital rites that it was Haraam for him to do that even then according to Imam Abu Hanifa, he is not subject to any type of Islamic penalty".
"If someone marries five women at a time or marries a fifth woman while already having four wives or marries his sister in law or mother in law and then performs intercourse with her and then says that I knew that it is haram for me or performs nikah al mutah with a woman then there will be no plenty of adultery on him in all of these situations though he confessed that he knew it was haram on him"
It is also permissible to marry daughter of fathers slave.
On the very next page Qadhi Khan records a classic Fatwa of Imam Abu Hanifa
"if a person marries a mahram (mother, sister, daughter, aunt etc.) and has sexual intercourse with them and even admits the fact that he knew while performing the marital rites that it was Haraam for him to do that even then according to Imam Abu Hanifa, he is not subject to any type of Islamic penalty".
"If someone marries five women at a time or marries a fifth woman while already having four wives or marries his sister in law or mother in law and then performs intercourse with her and then says that I knew that it is haram for me or performs nikah al mutah with a woman then there will be no plenty of adultery on him in all of these situations though he confessed that he knew it was haram on him"
It is also permissible to marry daughter of fathers slave.
written by Editor, M A Khan , April 12, 2012
It seems a few Muslim folks we have on this board call their daughter granddaughter and call their mother grandmother and vice versa. I have seen enough of Muslim communities in South Asia and beyond. This is one of the shocking things a Muslim would ever utter toward their mothers and sisters. What kind of Muslims are this bunch of Malem, Rzq, and M&P!!
@Malem: I didn't call you stupid. I have given a definition of what would constitute stupid. And I stand by that definition. You can refute my definition and if you succeed, I will withdraw it with an unqualified apology.
@Malem: I didn't call you stupid. I have given a definition of what would constitute stupid. And I stand by that definition. You can refute my definition and if you succeed, I will withdraw it with an unqualified apology.
written by Yibel , April 13, 2012
by the Grand Ayatollah Seyyed Ruhollah Mosavi Khomeini, commonly known as the Ayatollah Khomeini:
A woman may legally belong to a man in one of two ways; by continuing marriage or temporary marriage. In the former, the duration of the marriage need not be specified; in the latter, it must be stipulated, for example, that it is for a period of an hour, a day, a month, a year, or more.
A women temporarily married, say, for a month or a year, has her marriage automatically annulled at the end of that time, or at any other time when the husband releases her from the balance of her engagement. It is not necessary for this that there be any witnesses, or that the woman have had her period.
A woman who has not yet reached the age of nine or a menopausal woman may remarry immediately after divorce, without waiting the hundred days that are otherwise required.
A woman who has had her ninth birthday or who has not yet entered menopause, must wait for three menstrual periods after her divorce before being allowed to remarry.
If a woman who has not reached her ninth birthday or who has not entered menopause gets temporarily married, she must, at the end of the contract or when the husband has released her from part of it, wait two menstrual periods or forty-five days before marrying again.
If a man commits adultery with a woman he knows is not his wife, while the woman is unaware that the man is not her husband, she must wait one hundred days before remarrying.
A man who has committed adultery with his aunt must not marry her daughters, that is to say, his first cousins.
If a wife has her marriage annulled because her husband is unable to have sexual relations with her either vaginally or anally, he must pay her as damages one-half of the dowry specified in the marriage contract. If the husband or wife annuls the marriage for any of the above-mentioned reasons, the man owes nothing to the woman if they have had sexual relations
together; if they have not, he must pay her the full amount of the dowry.
If the father or paternal grandfather of a boy has him marry a woman for a temporary marriage, he may prematurely cancel it in the boys interest, even if the marriage was contracted before the boy reached the age of puberty. If, for example, a fourteen-year-old boy has been married off to a woman for a period of two years, they may return her freedom to the woman before this time has run its course; but a continuing marriage cannot be broken in this way.
If a man sodomizes the son, brother, or father of his wife after their marriage, the marriage remains valid.
If a man who has married his first cousin commits adultery with her mother, the marriage is not thereby annulled.
A woman may legally belong to a man in one of two ways; by continuing marriage or temporary marriage. In the former, the duration of the marriage need not be specified; in the latter, it must be stipulated, for example, that it is for a period of an hour, a day, a month, a year, or more.
A women temporarily married, say, for a month or a year, has her marriage automatically annulled at the end of that time, or at any other time when the husband releases her from the balance of her engagement. It is not necessary for this that there be any witnesses, or that the woman have had her period.
A woman who has not yet reached the age of nine or a menopausal woman may remarry immediately after divorce, without waiting the hundred days that are otherwise required.
A woman who has had her ninth birthday or who has not yet entered menopause, must wait for three menstrual periods after her divorce before being allowed to remarry.
If a woman who has not reached her ninth birthday or who has not entered menopause gets temporarily married, she must, at the end of the contract or when the husband has released her from part of it, wait two menstrual periods or forty-five days before marrying again.
If a man commits adultery with a woman he knows is not his wife, while the woman is unaware that the man is not her husband, she must wait one hundred days before remarrying.
A man who has committed adultery with his aunt must not marry her daughters, that is to say, his first cousins.
If a wife has her marriage annulled because her husband is unable to have sexual relations with her either vaginally or anally, he must pay her as damages one-half of the dowry specified in the marriage contract. If the husband or wife annuls the marriage for any of the above-mentioned reasons, the man owes nothing to the woman if they have had sexual relations
together; if they have not, he must pay her the full amount of the dowry.
If the father or paternal grandfather of a boy has him marry a woman for a temporary marriage, he may prematurely cancel it in the boys interest, even if the marriage was contracted before the boy reached the age of puberty. If, for example, a fourteen-year-old boy has been married off to a woman for a period of two years, they may return her freedom to the woman before this time has run its course; but a continuing marriage cannot be broken in this way.
If a man sodomizes the son, brother, or father of his wife after their marriage, the marriage remains valid.
If a man who has married his first cousin commits adultery with her mother, the marriage is not thereby annulled.
written by Rzq , April 13, 2012
"This is one of the shocking things a Muslim would ever utter toward their mothers and sisters. What kind of Muslims are this bunch of Malem, Rzq, and M&P!!"
I'm sorry, your little rant does not make any sense!
Please explain yourself clearly!
I'm sorry, your little rant does not make any sense!
Please explain yourself clearly!
written by Rzq , April 13, 2012
That's poor! Clearly you cannot read or understand basic Arabic!
When proved wrong you ignorance does not allow you to see it.
Let's leave the arabic aside, maybe you could answer the following:
you want to give me a tafsir which expressley allows what you say.
a scholar who has allowed it even?
what about a pattern that its true?
any book of shariah- islamic law which permits that?
When proved wrong you ignorance does not allow you to see it.
Let's leave the arabic aside, maybe you could answer the following:
you want to give me a tafsir which expressley allows what you say.
a scholar who has allowed it even?
what about a pattern that its true?
any book of shariah- islamic law which permits that?
written by Editor, M A Khan , April 13, 2012
by Rzq, April 13, 2012
"This is one of the shocking things a Muslim would ever utter toward their mothers and sisters. What kind of Muslims are this bunch of Malem, Rzq, and M&P!!"
I'm sorry, your little rant does not make any sense!
Please explain yourself clearly
It's here if you don't understand:
"Malem, Rzq, and M&P go to their father's wife, in whose womb they were born, and say, "Grandma, how are you. Grandma, I love you."
written by Editor, M A Khan , April 13, 2012
mother = umm; grandmother = jadda
Allah will be an "idiot par excellence", if He would say "bint" to mean "hafeeda".
This is my last comment on this issue.
Allah will be an "idiot par excellence", if He would say "bint" to mean "hafeeda".
This is my last comment on this issue.
written by Pedo-Man of Islam , April 13, 2012
MO experiment rape sex with everyone..Bottle sex?
written by God , April 13, 2012
ahhhh muslim muslim muslim muslim and their taqqiya... pffffffffffffffffffff when will the world understand!!!! I guess never... until civil war occured... badly...
sorry for the late answer, as a man I have obligation : wife and kids... yes just ONE wife :-) and yes I permit her to drive the car and have free hair she goes outside.. let's get back to our sheeps
so the next verses say father in plural, so? can't a woman obtained divorce if the husband wants it? Yes it can occure, so the lady CAN BE remarry heh? So, father-in-law, father = fathers. Islam doesn't seem to REALLY UNDERSTAND blood link between two persons... A wedding doesn't automatically give a blood link to two persons... heh... but in the coran it seems so... as the sperm comes from the loins... lolllll and the coran in its "wonderful and truth book and blablabla" is supposed to bring scientific concept that been found recently while the coran been writen before... hmmmm I shall return in biology class to well understand how to create baby!
sorry for the late answer, as a man I have obligation : wife and kids... yes just ONE wife :-) and yes I permit her to drive the car and have free hair she goes outside.. let's get back to our sheeps
so the next verses say father in plural, so? can't a woman obtained divorce if the husband wants it? Yes it can occure, so the lady CAN BE remarry heh? So, father-in-law, father = fathers. Islam doesn't seem to REALLY UNDERSTAND blood link between two persons... A wedding doesn't automatically give a blood link to two persons... heh... but in the coran it seems so... as the sperm comes from the loins... lolllll and the coran in its "wonderful and truth book and blablabla" is supposed to bring scientific concept that been found recently while the coran been writen before... hmmmm I shall return in biology class to well understand how to create baby!
written by Nancy , April 13, 2012
Basically it has been proved through quranic ayas that a muslim man is allowed to have sex with any one who has female genitalia. What a sick religion.
written by Salladin , April 13, 2012
I know muslims who believe having righthand posession (sexslaves) is not a thing Allah would aprove of today...wuhaahahaha! Do they little know that Allah aproves such thing beside having 1 to 4 wifes. I understand why men (muslims) prefer islam but why women? Maybe they trully believe a man has a grade higher than a woman and that means Tabari was right when he stated that Allah created all women stupid!
written by Yibel , April 14, 2012
Is there a proper Muslim way to have sex with animals? Indeed, there is! Guidelines for sex with animals can be found in the writings of Ayatollah Khomeini. Two excerpts from his writings serve to clarify the matter:
"A man can have sex with sheep, cows and camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine." Don't the buyers deserve a discount of some kind?
Khomeini's "Tahrirolvasyleh" fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990
"If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrement become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed and as quickly as possible and burned."
Must animals always be one-night stands? Answer is - NO!!
A Sudanese man has been forced to take a goat as his "wife", after he was caught having sex with the animal. The goat's owner, Mr Alifi of Hai Malakal in Upper Nile State, said he surprised the man with his goat and took him to a council of elders. They ordered the man, Mr Tombe, to pay a dowry of 15,000 Sudanese dinars ($50) to Mr Alifi.
"We have given him the goat, and as far as we know they are still together," Mr Alifi said. (news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4748292.stm)
"A man can have sex with sheep, cows and camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine." Don't the buyers deserve a discount of some kind?
Khomeini's "Tahrirolvasyleh" fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990
"If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrement become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed and as quickly as possible and burned."
Must animals always be one-night stands? Answer is - NO!!
A Sudanese man has been forced to take a goat as his "wife", after he was caught having sex with the animal. The goat's owner, Mr Alifi of Hai Malakal in Upper Nile State, said he surprised the man with his goat and took him to a council of elders. They ordered the man, Mr Tombe, to pay a dowry of 15,000 Sudanese dinars ($50) to Mr Alifi.
"We have given him the goat, and as far as we know they are still together," Mr Alifi said. (news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4748292.stm)
written by Salladin , April 14, 2012
It's shows their insanity! However, qur'an doesn't say such thing but because it is NOT clear as it claims, people can do anything it seemes. The one who authored the qur'an is to be blamed the most and those who say it's the word of Allah/God even more!
written by Salladin , April 14, 2012
I know Malem. We just have to convince the majority of muslims to read it and act to it like it was ment.
written by Archpagan , April 15, 2012
Koran is very clear in its content and intention. It's an ideology claiming divine sanction to murder, rape, terrorize and subjugate people so that they voluntarily become slave of the Arab barbarians. How fine is the Arab ass, doctor?
written by Salladin (real one) , April 15, 2012
Again, someone is tryimg to use my nickname though he/she use one l. Is it that hard to come up with a own nickname. Get the f..ck out of here!
written by Abc , April 15, 2012
"How fine is the Arab ass, doctor?"
Finer than your hairy mamas!!!
Finer than your hairy mamas!!!
written by malem , April 16, 2012
You might want to review the guilines for posting and making obscene comments. I read on an earlier post from Mr Khan the moderator that using vulgarities, making commenst as you have above etc were grounds for being banned from the site, or maybe he has not read yours yet.
written by Salladin , April 16, 2012
True, involving family members and using ugly, immoral words are forbidden. I must admit, sometimes i catch myself doing it though i never involve other familymembers into my anger :-)
written by SweetOlBob , April 16, 2012
The book of islam allows men to play sexually with small, young people of the same sex. Usually, in non-Pee Cee jargon, these people are called QUEERS.
Therefore, following logic, the holy book of that religion should be referred to as "The Queeran"
Just saying.
Therefore, following logic, the holy book of that religion should be referred to as "The Queeran"
Just saying.
written by Malem , April 16, 2012
Please list the Verse or Surah that says such. Also I am not so sure making fun of peoples sexual preference is within the guidelines of this blog, maybe Mr Khan will respond.
written by Infidel and More Proud , April 16, 2012
Malem you are indeed suffering from amnesia. Before you used to discard Hadiths only and now you seem to forget Quran as well???
52:24 Round about them will serve, (devoted) to them, young male servants (handsome) as Pearls well-guarded.
76:19 Allah promises fresh youths to Muslim men.
And round about them shall go youths never altering in age; when you see them you will think them to be scattered pearls.
Do you still need the arabic version to deny the english translation
52:24 Round about them will serve, (devoted) to them, young male servants (handsome) as Pearls well-guarded.
76:19 Allah promises fresh youths to Muslim men.
And round about them shall go youths never altering in age; when you see them you will think them to be scattered pearls.
Do you still need the arabic version to deny the english translation
written by Malem , April 17, 2012
So you list two verses that have nothing to do with the accusation that Sweetolbob made in reference to homosexuality. That was my point, you take a verse not only out of context but then wrap your own thoughts into it to form some sort of alternate interpretation.
written by Infidel and More Proud , April 17, 2012
Malem do you mean to say these boys are only for women who will be sent to heaven and not for men?
Correct me if I am wrong in understanding that they will be supplied along with houris.
Are they equivalent to virgin houris but for muslim women?
Correct me if I am wrong in understanding that they will be supplied along with houris.
Are they equivalent to virgin houris but for muslim women?
written by Salladin , April 17, 2012
Since homosexuality could be punished with death (hang them in front of hundreds) it is forbidden in islam. But you can have sexslaves like the messenger did and marry children....it's fine by Allah.
Homosexuality in islamic heaven? ....i don't know and i will not know ever since i'm not going to that one.
Homosexuality in islamic heaven? ....i don't know and i will not know ever since i'm not going to that one.
written by fineliving56 , April 17, 2012
Who play with words to try to fool people and cling to the fact that Allah/Muhammad, did not went ahead and said plainly '' Allah will provide little boys with fresh tight rear end's anal small hole [ I am sorry to put it plainly .. but it has to be said when the truth is being manipulated about Quran by the bias Muslims ] for the pleasure of gays among Muslims '' .
If Allah/ Muhammad was [b *]not* referring to gays and their little boys that they prefer , Allah/ Muhammad, would have not made sure to state '' how fresh and beautiful * the servants boys like how the beautiful pearls are " ... like 52/ 24 .... and.... 76/19 ... clearly said .
He know and I know and all Muslims know and we all know ... Quran was in fact referring to the promise of little boys to all gays in Jannat Al naeem [ heaven] ... But Muslims like to play with words to defend the indefensible
nice try ... but it is not working
If Allah/ Muhammad was [b *]not* referring to gays and their little boys that they prefer , Allah/ Muhammad, would have not made sure to state '' how fresh and beautiful * the servants boys like how the beautiful pearls are " ... like 52/ 24 .... and.... 76/19 ... clearly said .
He know and I know and all Muslims know and we all know ... Quran was in fact referring to the promise of little boys to all gays in Jannat Al naeem [ heaven] ... But Muslims like to play with words to defend the indefensible
nice try ... but it is not working
written by Infidel and More proud , April 17, 2012
Not just gay but "gay pedophiles" for the boys are young too.
written by AbuTaleb , April 17, 2012
Quran tells us that the muslims (the males) in heaven will engage homosexualism in 76:19, because only they become attracted to the immortal youths which are males. Malem and other muslims will see the boys as beautiful as pearl, a clear indication of their lust toward the boys.
076.019
YUSUFALI: And round about them will (serve) youths of perpetual (freshness): If thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered Pearls.
PICKTHAL: There wait on them immortal youths, whom, when thou seest, thou wouldst take for scattered pearls.
SHAKIR: And round about them shall go youths never altering in age; when you see them you will think them to be scattered pearls.
076.019
YUSUFALI: And round about them will (serve) youths of perpetual (freshness): If thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered Pearls.
PICKTHAL: There wait on them immortal youths, whom, when thou seest, thou wouldst take for scattered pearls.
SHAKIR: And round about them shall go youths never altering in age; when you see them you will think them to be scattered pearls.
written by fineliving56 , April 17, 2012
You are right ...if .... Quran promised fresh and pearly MEN it would have been ...some what not strange ... But no ... it promises YOUNG BOYS to gay men just like it promises young virgins girls to normal men ... [ well,normal as in ... Muhammad normal ]
As we all see so clearly ....
Quran ... does *BRIBE the Muslims MEN[ to do Jihad ] in giving a green light to commit pedophilia .. gay and otherwise ...
Does extreme sickness comes to mind !!!!???
Indeed ... yes it does .
As we all see so clearly ....
Quran ... does *BRIBE the Muslims MEN[ to do Jihad ] in giving a green light to commit pedophilia .. gay and otherwise ...
Does extreme sickness comes to mind !!!!???
Indeed ... yes it does .
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good article my bro ex-muslim.