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The Quran, hadiths, sira and Islamic history from the days of Muhammad to the present agree to this.

In Islam, “Apostasy” (Arabic: irtidad or ridda or Murtadd) means the rejection of Islam in word or deed by a person who has been a Muslim. An apostate in any pure Islamic country is deserved to be killed, period. Muslims, who deny this fact, are stealthily engaged in Taqiyya (lie and deceptions), or utterly ignorant about real Islam. Islam is the most intolerant religion on Earth. There are plenty of glaring examples or records of extreme intolerance and intimidations from the past and present history of Islam. And this intolerance is rooted in the Quran and Sunnah (Ahadiths – traditions of Prophet Muhammad), and also by the deeds and practices of the early disciples of Prophet Muhammad. In all Sharia-ruled pure Islamic countries, such as in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Kuwait, Sudan etc., all apostates are punished by death penalty.

All five major schools of Islamic jurisprudence agree that a sane male apostate must be executed. A female apostate may be put to death, according to some schools, or imprisoned, according to others.

Apostate punishing verses from Quran

Regarding punishing apostates, 4:89, 3:85 and 3.90-91 are the main verses, but many other verses like 16:106-107, 2:217, 9:73-74, 5:54, and 9:66 are considered supporting verses.

It also could be asserted here that, during the time of final compilation of the Quran, many important verses were lost in the process for various reasons, such as the demise of many disciples (who memorized Quranic verses) in the Battle of Apostasy (Ridda War) and invasion of Yamama. Verses of stoning-death for adultery were amongst the lost verses, but Prophet Muhammad and the rightly guided Caliphs routinely practiced stoning-death. Even in the modern world, in most Sharia-ruled Muslim nations, both apostates and adulterators are punished by death penalty and stoning deaths, respectively.

Support from Quranic verses for punishing apostates

1. Quran 4.89: They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades (change to other religion), seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks; (trs. YUSUFALI; Saudi King approved translation).
2. Quran 3.85: If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter, He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good). (trs. YUSUFALI)Quran 3.90-91: "But those who reject Faith [kafaroo] after they accepted it, and then go on adding to their defiance of Faith, - never will their repentance be accepted; for they are those, who have (of set purpose) gone astray. As to those who reject Faith [kafaroo], and die rejecting [kuffaroo], - never would be accepted from any such as much gold as the earth contains, though they should offer it for ransom. For such is (in store) a penalty grievous, and they will find no helpers."
3. Quran 2.217: …Nor will they cease fighting you until they turn you back from your faith if they can. And if any of you Turn back from their faith and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the Hereafter; they will be companions of the Fire and will abide therein. (trs. YUSUFALI)
4. Quran 9.73: O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell, - an evil refuge indeed. (trs. YUSUFALI)
5. Quran 9.074: They swear by Allah that they said nothing (evil), but indeed they uttered blasphemy, and they did it after accepting Islam; and they meditated a plot which they were unable to carry out: this revenge of theirs was (their) only return for the bounty with which Allah and His Messenger had enriched them! If they repent, it will be best for them; but if they turn back (to their evil ways), Allah will punish them with a grievous penalty in this life and in the Hereafter: They shall have none on earth to protect or help them. (trs. YUSUFALI)
6. Quran 5.054: O ye who believe! if any from among you turn back from his Faith, soon will Allah produce a people whom He will love as they will love Him,- lowly with the believers, mighty against the rejecters, fighting in the way of Allah, and never afraid of the reproaches of such as find fault. That is the grace of Allah, which He will bestow on whom He pleaseth. And Allah encompasseth all, and He knoweth all things. (trs. YUSUFALI)
7. Quran 9.66: Make ye no excuses: ye have rejected Faith after ye had accepted it. If We pardon some of you, We will punish others amongst you, for that they are in sin. (trs. YUSUFALI)

Now some Sahih Hadiths (most of the hadiths are from Sahih al-Bukhari and also by many others)

Commandment to Execute the Apostate after the Qur'anic (Allah’s) orders (above), here are some glaring Commands (Hadiths)—from the Prophet of Islam.

The reason why executing apostates has always been well-ensconced in Islamic law is that there are indisputable and shining records of Muhammad and his companions doing exactly that according to the reliable Hadiths. According to the verse 4:80 (Yusuf Ali): "He who obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah: But if any turn away, We have not sent thee to watch over their (evil deeds)."

Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 84, Number 58:

Narrated Abu Burda: (Bukhari (84:58)Abu Musa said, "I came to the Prophet along with two men (from the tribe) of Ash'ariyin, one on my right and the other on my left, while Allah's Apostle was brushing his teeth (with a Siwak), and both men asked him for some employment. The Prophet said, 'O Abu Musa (O 'Abdullah bin Qais!).' I said, 'By Him Who sent you with the Truth, these two men did not tell me what was in their hearts and I did not feel (realize) that they were seeking employment.' As if I were looking now at his Siwak being drawn to a corner under his lips, and he said, 'We never (or, we do not) appoint for our affairs anyone who seeks to be employed. But O Abu Musa! (or 'Abdullah bin Qais!) Go to Yemen.'" The Prophet then sent Mu'adh bin Jabal after him and when Mu'adh reached him, he spread out a cushion for him and requested him to get down (and sit on the cushion). Behold: There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, "Who is this (man)?" Abu Muisa said, "He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism." Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, "Then we discussed the night prayers and one of us said, 'I pray and sleep, and I hope that Allah will reward me for my sleep as well as for my prayers.'"

[It should be noted that this incident took place during the life of the Prophet. At that time Abu Musa represented the Prophet as governor and Muadh as vice-governor. If their action had not been based on the decision of God and His Messenger, surely the Prophet would have objected.]

Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 84, Number 59:

Narrated Abu Huraira: When the Prophet died and Abu Bakr became his successor and some of the Arabs reverted to disbelief, 'Umar said, "O Abu Bakr! How can you fight these people although Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah, 'and whoever said, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah', Allah will save his property and his life from me, unless (he does something for which he receives legal punishment) justly, and his account will be with Allah?' "Abu Bakr said, "By Allah! I will fight whoever differentiates between prayers and Zakat as Zakat is the right to be taken from property (according to Allah's Orders). By Allah! If they refused to pay me even a kid they used to pay to Allah's Apostle, I would fight with them for withholding it." 'Umar said, "By Allah: It was nothing, but I noticed that Allah opened Abu Bakr's chest towards the decision to fight, therefore I realized that his decision was right."

Bukhari (83:37)

"Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas), (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse, and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate."

Bukhari (52:260):

"...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.'" Note that there is no distinction as to how that Muslim came to be a Muslim.

Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:

Narrated 'Ikrima: Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the [words of] Allah's Apostle, “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him”.

Bukhari (89:271): A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."

Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 84, Number 64:

Narrated 'Ali: Whenever I tell you a narration from Allah's Apostle, by Allah, I would rather fall down from the sky than ascribe a false statement to him, but if I tell you something between me and you (not a Hadith) then it was indeed a trick (i.e., I may say things just to cheat my enemy). No doubt I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, where-ever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection."

Abu Dawud (4346):

"Was not there a wise man among you who would stand up to him when he saw that I had withheld my hand from accepting his allegiance, and kill him?" Muhammad is chastising his companions for allowing an apostate to "repent" under duress. (The person in question was Muhammad's former scribe who left him after doubting the authenticity of divine "revelations" upon finding out that he could suggest grammatical changes. He was brought back to Muhammad after having been captured in Medina).

Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 632:

Narrated Abu Burda: That the Prophet sent his (i.e. Abu Burda's) grandfather, Abu Musa and Mu'adh to Yemen and said to both of them "Facilitate things for the people (Be kind and lenient) and do not make things difficult (for people), and give them good tidings, and do not repulse them and both of you should obey each other." Abu Musa said, "O Allah's Prophet! In our land there is an alcoholic drink (prepared) from barley called Al-Mizr, and another (prepared) from honey, called Al-Bit"' The Prophet said, "All intoxicants are prohibited." Then both of them proceeded and Mu'adh asked Abu Musa, "How do you recite the Quran?" Abu Musa replied, "I recite it while I am standing, sitting or riding my riding animals, at intervals and piecemeal." Muadh said, "But I sleep and then get up. I sleep and hope for Allah's Reward for my sleep as I seek His Reward for my night prayer." Then he (i.e. Muadh) pitched a tent and they started visiting each other. Once Muadh paid a visit to Abu Musa and saw a chained man. Muadh asked, "What is this?" Abu Musa said, "(He was) a Jew who embraced Islam and has now turned apostate." Muadh said, "I will surely chop off his neck!"

Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 83, Number 37:

Narrated Abu Qilaba: Once 'Umar bin 'Abdul 'Aziz sat on his throne in the courtyard of his house so that the people might gather before him. Then he admitted them and (when they came in), he said, "What do you think of Al-Qasama?" They said, "We say that it is lawful to depend on Al-Qasama in Qisas, as the previous Muslim Caliphs carried out Qisas depending on it." Then he said to me, "O Abu Qilaba! What do you say about it?" He let me appear before the people and I said, "O Chief of the Believers! You have the chiefs of the army staff and the nobles of the Arabs. If fifty of them testified that a married man had committed illegal sexual intercourse in Damascus but they had not seen him (doing so), would you stone him?" He said, "No." I said, "If fifty of them testified that a man had committed theft in Hums, would you cut off his hand though they did not see him?" He replied, "No." I said, "By Allah, Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas), (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse, and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate." Then the people said, "Didn't Anas bin Malik narrate that Allah's Apostle cut off the hands of the thieves, branded their eyes and then, threw them in the sun?" I said, "I shall tell you the narration of Anas. Anas said: "Eight persons from the tribe of 'Ukl came to Allah's Apostle and gave the Pledge of allegiance for Islam (became Muslim). The climate of the place (Medina) did not suit them, so they became sick and complained about that to Allah's Apostle. He said (to them ), "Won't you go out with the shepherd of our camels and drink of the camels' milk and urine (as medicine)?" They said, "Yes." So they went out and drank the camels' milk and urine, and after they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of Allah's Apostle and took away all the camels. This news reached Allah's Apostle, so he sent (men) to follow their traces and they were captured and brought (to the Prophet). He then ordered to cut their hands and feet, and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron, and then he threw them in the sun till they died." I said, "What can be worse than what those people did? They deserted Islam, committed murder and theft."

More Hadiths from various sources for Punishing Apostates

Sahih Bukhari hadith

• Abu Bakr vowed to fight the apostates and those who refused to pay Zakat… (2.23.483)
• Muhammad ordered to kill the apostates (‘If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him’)… (4.52.260)
• Khalid killed some apostates and ordered those taken as captives to be killed too... (5.59.628)
• An apostate was killed for no reason... (5.59.630)
• A Jewish apostate's head was chopped off... (5.59.632)
• Apostates will be sent to hellfire… (8.76.587)
• A Muslim can be killed only for: (1) qisas for murder, (2) a married person committing adultery, (3) becomes an apostate... (9.83.17, 20)Whoever changed his Islamic religion must be killed... (9.84.57)
• M'uadh would not sit down until the apostate was killed... (9.84.58)
• Some Muslims will leave Islam like an arrow goes out of the bow; so wherever you find them kill them... (9.84.64, 66)
• Some Iraqi believers will go out of Islam... (9.84.68)
• Young people will leave Islam like an arrow leaves its bow; whoever leaves Islam kill him... (4.55, 577,578)
• Some Muslims will leave Islam like an arrow goes out of the bow; so wherever you find them kill them... (9.84.64, 66)
• Whoever changes his religion (apostasy) kill him… (9.83.57)

Sahih Muslim hadiths

• Muhammad (SWS) asked Urina tribe to drink camel’s milk and camels urine; then they killed a shepherd and became apostates; so Muhammad got their hands and feet cut off and put out their eyes and then threw them on the stony ground until they died… (16.4130, 4131, 4132)
• Muadh did not want to sit down until an apostate who was bound hand and feet was killed in front of him… (20.4490)
• Anyone to whom Allah and Muhammad is dearer than all else, who loves a person for Allah’s sake alone and who does not apostatize is the best Muslim… (1.7, 1.68)
• Muslims will leave Islam just as an arrow leaves its bow; so kill them, Muhammad said… (5.2323)
• The future young Muslims would leave Islam as an arrow leaves its bow; so kill them; if you kill them you will get a great reward from Allah… (5.2328).

Sunaan Abu Dawud hadiths

• Kill the apostates… (3.38.4337).
• A Muslim should not be killed except for three reasons: 1. adultery, 2. killing another Muslim intentionally, 3. becoming an apostate… (3.38.4338)
• Muadh b. Jabal would not sit down until an apostate who was standing was killed right in front of him… (3.38.4340, 4341)
• An apostate (Jew) was killed because he retreated from Islam… (38.4341)
• An apostate was given twenty (20) days to repent but he refused to revert to Islam; so he was beheaded… (3.38.4342, 4344)
• A scribe of Muhammad (Abdullah ibn Abu Sarh) was ordered by Muhammad to be killed because the scribe joined the infidels; however Uthman ibn Affan saved his life… (38.434)
• When a Muslim’s slave runs away and becomes an apostate he should be killed… (3.38.4347)
• Some Muslim apostates’ hands and feet were cut off and their eyes were put out because they stole Muhammad’s camels and killed the Muslim herdsman… (38.4356)
• Muhammad (SWS) ordered the killing of ibn Khatal, the apostate; he was killed while hanging on the curtain of Kaba. Abu Barzat al-Aslami killed ibn Khatal… (2.14.2679)
• Many people will recite the Qur’an but will leave Islam very quickly; so kill them wherever you find them… (40.474)
• Young people with feeble mind will leave Islam like an arrow goes through the animal aimed at, wherever you meet them kill them… (3.40.4749, 4750)

Sunaan ibn Majah hadiths

• Kill adult fornicators, murderers, and apostates of Islam… (4.2534)
• Kill the apostates of Islam… (4.2535)
• Allah does not accept the testimony of an apostate till he returns to Islam… (4.2536)
• Muhammad tortured and then killed the Uraina apostates… (4.2578)
• Those who leave Islam, kill them… (1.168)

Tirmidhi hadiths

• Any Muslim who leaves the community will be in hell-fire… (57, 58)
• A Muslim must not be killed except for adultery, apostasy or killing another Muslim… (993)
• Sunaan Nasai hadiths
• Uraina/Uki tribes punishment was for their apostasy… (1.309)

Islamic Law

There is also a consensus by all four schools of Sunni Islamic jurisprudence (i.e., Maliki, Hanbali, Hanafi, and Shafii), as well as classical Shiite jurists, that apostates from Islam must be put to death. The process of declaring a person to be an apostate is known as takfir and the apostate is called a murtadd.

Reliance of the Traveller (Islamic Law) o8.1 - "When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed." (o8.4 affirms that there is no penalty for killing an apostate).

Averroes (d. 1198), the renowned philosopher and scholar of the natural sciences, who was also an important Maliki jurist, provided this typical Muslim legal opinion on the punishment for apostasy: "An apostate...is to be executed by agreement in the case of a man, because of the words of the Prophet, 'Slay those who change their din [religion]'...Asking the apostate to repent was stipulated as a condition... prior to his execution."

The contemporary (i.e., 1991) Al-Azhar (Cairo) Islamic Research Academy endorsed manual of Islamic Law, Umdat al-Salik (pp. 595-96) states: "Leaving Islam is the ugliest form of unbelief (kufr) and the worst.... When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostasizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed. In such a case, it is obligatory... to ask him to repent and return to Islam. If he does it is accepted from him, but if he refuses, he is immediately killed."

As Abu Bakr, Muhammad's closest companion, explained in a letter at the time, his prophet "struck whoever turned his back to Him until he came to Islam, willingly or grudgingly." Thus did Abu Bakr promise to "burn them with fire, slaughter them by any means, and take women and children captive" any, who left Islam. (al-Tabari v10, p. 55-57)

Ali, the fourth "Rightly Guided Caliph" was Muhammad's son-in-law and one of the first converts to Islam. He also had people burned alive for wanting to follow their conscience. An old man named Rumahis b. Mansur, who regretted leaving Christianity and vowed not to remain a Muslim, was beheaded by Ali. (al-Tabari v.17, p. 191).

Supports from historical facts

A. The First Caliph's Jihad (Holy War) against Apostates

After the death Prophet Muhammad, Abu Bakr became the first Caliph. Most of the Bedouin Arabs who had converted to Islam out of fear of their lives, changed their mind and reverted back to their parental religions. Caliph Abu Bakr immediately declared Jihad (Holy war) against those apostates. It took almost two years of bloody battles by the first Khalifa, Abu Bakr and under the generalship of Khalid Ibn al Walid (The Sword of Allah) to subdue, subjugate and force those secessionists and  apostates to return them once more - to the fold of PEACEFUL 'Islam'; at the point and edge of SWORDS. Tens of thousands of Arab apostates were slaughtered in this war. This event therefore clearly proves that those persons who received religious instruction directly from the Prophet were united in deciding that an Islamic government should wage war against any group that renounces Islam. Within months, a great many people were dead, including Muslims who had memorized the Qur'an by heart.

The Sahih Hadiths below is the testament of this ancient historical battle against apostates:

Volume 9, Book 84, Number 59:

Narrated Abu Huraira:When the Prophet died and Abu Bakr became his successor and some of the Arabs reverted to disbelief, 'Umar said, "O Abu Bakr! How can you fight these people although Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah, 'and whoever said, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah', Allah will save his property and his life from me, unless (he does something for which he receives legal punishment) justly, and his account will be with Allah?' "Abu Bakr said, "By Allah! I will fight whoever differentiates between prayers and Zakat as Zakat is the right to be taken from property (according to Allah's Orders). By Allah! If they refused to pay me even a kid they used to pay to Allah's Apostle, I would fight with them for withholding it." 'Umar said, "By Allah: It was nothing, but I noticed that Allah opened Abu Bakr's chest towards the decision to fight, therefore I realized that his decision was right."

At the time when Abu Bakr sent Ikrimah ibn Abi Jahl to wage a jihad against the people in South Arabia who had confessed the prophethood of Laqit ibn Malik al-Azdi, he advised him: “Wherever you find apostates from Oman to Hadramaut and Yemen, crush them.”

First Caliph Abu Bakr’s historical Proclamation

It is worth noting that had there been no sanction or divine approval (from Allah and Prophet) of punishing apostates with deadly force—there could be no urgency or need of declaring such a bloody war by the first caliph against those apostates, immediately after ascending to the throne of infant state of Islamic Caliphate in the ancient Arabia. Caliph Abu Bakr's had issued in writing such proclamation to each of the commanders of the eleven armies at the time he sent the armies to the various parts of Arabia to wage jihad against the apostates. Hafiz ibn Kathir has copied the full proclamation in his book al-Badayah w'al-Nahayah (Vol. 6, p. 316). The following sentences especially merit consideration:

“I have come to know about the movement of those among you who have accepted following Satan and who, having no fear of God, have turned from Islam to kufr. Now I have sent you someone with an army of faithful followers [24], and have advised him to accept nothing from anyone except faith and to execute no one without first inviting him to God, the Mighty and Glorious One. Then whoever accepts his invitation to God and, after confession, maintains good conduct, he will accept his confession and assist him in walking in the right path. And he will fight whoever refuses until he returns to the commandment of God. And he has been ordered to leave no one alive whom he has seized among those who have refused, to set fire to their villages, to destroy them, to enslave their women and children and to accept nothing from anyone except Islam. Thus whoever accepts his word does it for his own good and whoever does not will not be able to impoverish God. I have also directed the commander whom I have sent to announce my plan in all your assemblies and that the sign of accepting Islam is the call to prayer. Do not oppose the village where the call to prayer is heard. Where there is no call to prayer, ask the people why. If they refuse, attack them. If they confess, treat them as they deserve.”

B. Punishment for apostate as per Fatwa by Alazher University Cairo Document

This document was received from Oda Dridi-Dörffel, Parliament (Bundestag), Ministry of the Interior, the Army (Bundeswehr), Ministry of Integration and the Police organizations. Oda Dridi-Dörffel is an esteemed figure in international circles.

Here Oda Dridi-Dörffel presents the actual fatwa issued at Al-Azhar University in Cairo, the most important institution of islamic law in the sunni world, and where Obama made his speech to the Muslim world. (More on Obama's speech here and here.)

Obama describes Al-Azhar University this way: "For over a thousand years, Al-Azhar has stood as a beacon of Islamic learning, and for over a century, Cairo University has been a source of Egypt’s advancement". The following translation is a rough guide: 
In the Name of Allah the Most Beneficient the Most Merciful. Al-Azhr Council of Fatawa.

This question was presented by Mr. Ahmed Darwish and brought forward by [name obscured] who is of German nationality.

A man whose religion was Islam and his nationality is Egyptian married a German Christian and the couple agreed that the husband would join the Christian faith and doctrine.

1) What is the Islamic ruling in relation to this man? What are the punishments prescribed for this act?

2) Are his children considered Muslim or Christian?

The Answer:

All praise is to Allah, the Lord of the Universe and salutations on the leader of the righteous, our master Muhammed, his family and all of his companions.

Thereafter, this man has committed apostasy; he must be given a chance to repent and if he does not then he must be killed according to Shariah. 

As far as his children are concerned, as long as they are children they are considered Muslim, but after they reach the age of puberty, then if they remain with Islam they are Muslim, but if they leave Islam and they do not repent they must be killed and Allah knows best. 

Seal of Al-Azhr 
Head of the Fatawa Council of Al-Azhr. 
Abdullah al-Mishadd (عبد الله المشد‎) 
23rd September 1978.

C. Some Examples of modern day incidence of punishing an Apostate

Throughout the history of 1,400 years of Islam, millions of human beings lost their precious lives at the hands of Islamic jihadi butchers every where in the whole world. And even today—tens of thousands of innocent humans are losing their lives every year, simply because they have changed their belief, or left Islam (apostate) for another faith. Below are some examples of such tragedy caused by the religion of peace (see links to following news-reports at http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/012-apostasy.htm):

• Iran: No College for Ex-Muslim
• Two Converts to Christianity Stabbed in Norway
• Uganda Girl Learning to Walk after Brutal Torture for Leaving Islam
• Egyptian Cleric Says to Behead Apostates
• Iran Jails Christian Woman for Two Years over Leaving Islam
• Muslim Father Arrested to Lure Christian Sons Back to Fate
• Zanzibar Christian Suffers in Jail after Incarceration and Torture for Apostasy
• Christian Woman Faints While Being Publicly Flogged for Leaving Islam
• Secularist Endures 'Unbearable' Torture, Prepares for Execution
• Apostate Pastor Blinded with Acid in Uganda
• Children Murdered to Punish Ex-Muslim for Embracing Christianity
• Christian Convert Sentenced to 6 Years in Prison following Baptism
• Iran Orders Ex-Muslim Pastors to Serve Prison Sentences
• Kenyan Convert Stripped and Beaten with Iron Rods at Kenyan Church
• Christian Convert Tied Up and Stomped On
• Five Afghan Christian Converts Martyred...
• Converts from Islam Detained and Beaten
• Christian Convert Survives Brutal Stabbing in "Moderate" Morocco
• Converts to Christianity Ordered to 'Repent' or Face 'Social Boycott'
• Schoolteacher Gunned Down After Converting to Ahmadi Faith
• Man Beheaded for Leaving Islam and Embracing Christianity...
• Christian Girl Tortured and Killed for Leaving Islam...
• Christian Convert Flees after Severe Beating by Family...
• Swedish Imam Calls on Muslims to Kill Converts...
• 25 Ex-Muslims Arrested in Iran...
• Morocco Gives Ex-Muslim 15 Years in Jail for 'Proselytizing'...
• 14-Year-Old 'Apostate' Girl Unable to Walk after Torture...
• Court Orders Apostate to 'Repent His Christian Faith' or Die...
• Christian Released after 9 Months in prison for Leaving Islam
• New Ground Zero Imam Says Apostates Should be Jailed...
• Muslim Murdered for Intention to Convert to Hinduism...
• Palestinian Couple Declared Apostates, Forcibly Divorced...
• Time Running Out for Apostate Pastor Facing Execution...
• Muslim-American Leaders Challenged to Reject Killing Apostates
• Palestinian Authority Labels Ahmadis 'Apostates'...
• Suicide Bombers Close in on 'Apostate' Pakistan Ahmadi Community...
• 'Blessings' Promised to Those who Kill Ahmadiya 'Apostates'
• 'Apostate' Ahmadiyahs Brutally Murdered by 'Allah Akbar' Mob
• Man in Britain Beaten with Plank for Leaving Islam...
• Christian Couple Stabbed in Home for Leaving Islam...
• Iranian Christian Beaten to Death by Relative
• 21-Year-Old Christian Executed for Leaving Islam...
• Afghan Released after 9 Months in prison for Leaving Islam...
• Christian Father of Ten Executed in Front of Home
• Christian Faces Death Penalty for Leaving Islam...
• Father of 6 Jailed and Beaten for Leaving Islam...
• Tortured Aid Worker Faces Execution for Becoming Christian...
• 63-Year-Old Convert & Son Beaten for Leaving Islam...
• Imprisoned Pastor Faces Death Penalty for Leaving Islam...
• Ethiopian Stabbed for Leaving Islam...
• Son Confesses to Killing Father for Leaving Islam...
• 17-Year-Old Girl Beaten by Family, in Shackles for Leaving Islam...
• 15-Year-Old Girl Attacked with Acid for Leaving Islam...
• Asylum Seekers in Norway Scald Christian Convert with Boiling Water...
• Christian Convert Flees Torture in Bangladesh...
• Christian Convert Beaten to Death...
• False Cattle Theft Charge Used to Stop Christian Convert...
• Egyptian Muslims Attempt to Behead Christian Convert...
• Afghanistan Detains 20 Christian Converts amid Call for Death...
• Torture Fears for Humanitarian Worker Charged with Apostasy...
• Schoolchildren Forced to Watch Execution of Christian Convert...
• Pastor to Hang for Apostasy...
• Islamic Scholars Mull Putting Ex-Muslims to Death...
• Pastors Warned to Return to Islam or Risk Murder...
• Australian Islamists Vow to Murder Ex-Muslims...
• Cleric: Ex-Muslims Should be Reasoned With - Then Killed...
• Egypt Jails Christian Convert Accused of Distributing Bibles...
• Elderly Woman Burned to Death for Converting Family from Islam...
• Christian Convert Executed by Somali Islamists...
• Malaysia: Whipping, Prison and Fines for Anyone Trying to Convert Muslims...
• Bangladeshi Christian Convert Threatened with Death...
• Ethiopian Christian Convert Languishes in Jail over Bibles...
• Bibles Burned, Christian Converts Threatened with Same Fate...
• Family Ordered to 'Sacrifice' Christian Convert Son...
• Judge Tells Christian Convert of His Desire to Kill Her...
• Police Round Up Christian Converts in Iran...
• Comoros Imam who Converts to Christianity is Forced into Hiding
• Elderly Christian Converts Driven from Home...
• Police Rape and Torture Christian Convert - Promise to Release Her if She Will Return to Islam...
• Christian Converts Hunted Down and Beaten in Comoros...
• Son of Murdered Christian Convert Also Faces Death...
• Iran's Parliament Votes to Kill Christian Converts...
• Christian Convert Shot to Death by Devout Muslims...
• Mob Pelts Christian Converts with Rocks...
• Innocent Man Slain After Cleric Declares Ahmadis to be Wajibul Qatl...
• 'Moderate' Malaysia Sends Christian Converts to Re-Education Camps...
• Jordan Annuls Marriage of Christian Convert...
• Christian Convert & Wife Beaten, Flee to Save Children...
• New Zealand Christian Convert Goes Underground to Stay Alive...
• Christian Convert Needs Police Protection - in the UK!...
• Genital-Shocking Egyptian Police Detain Christian Convert...
• Ethiopian Islamists Stab Christian Convert's Son...
• Christian Convert (Father of 4) Murdered by Islamists...
• Christian Convert Murdered by Islamic Radicals...
• 16-Year-Old Christian Convert has Muslim Man Forced on Her...
• Imam Calls for His Own Son's Murder for Leaving Islam...
• Somali Christian Shot to Death for Leaving Islam...
• Father of Two Shot to Death for Leaving Islam...
• Palestinian Terrorists Butcher and Cut Christian Man into Four Pieces...
• Iran Holds Women in Notorious Prison for Leaving Islam...
• Christian Woman Divorced and Beaten for Leaving Islam...
• Libya Urged to Stop Torturing Christians for Leaving Islam...
• Graphic Video Posted of Man Beheaded for Leaving Islam...
• Christian Beheaded for Leaving Islam...
• Saudi Cuts Out Daughter's Tongue and Burn Her Alive for Leaving Islam...
• Prominent Canada Threatens to Kill Daughter for Leaving Islam...
• Yemen Arrests Nine for Leaving Islam...
• Maldives Cleric Vows to Kill Anyone Leaving Islam...
• Four Christians Sent to Jail for Leaving Islam...
• Elderly Woman Burned to Death for Leaving Islam...
• Malaysia Officially Bars Muslims from Leaving Islam...
• Young Christian Murdered after Leaving Islam...
• Apostate Woman's Fingernails Torn Out by Family...
• Apostate Spat on in the UK, Threatened with Death...
• Poll: 4 in 5 Pakistanis Support Stoning Adulterers, Apostates...
• Iraqi Mujahideen Post Video of 'Apostate' Beheading...
• Harvard Chaplain Defends Killing Apostates...
• Executed Somali Christian was Accused of Apostasy...
• Man Under House Arrest over Son's Apostasy...
• (Canada) Mother Threatens to Kill Apostate Son...
• Apostasy: Iran to Enforce Death Penalty Worldwide?...
• Apostates Suffer Religious Persecution in Britain...
• UK Clerics Refuse to Denounce Killing Apostates...
• Somali Christian Casually Executed for Apostasy...
• Dutch Muslims Assault Apostate...
• Non-Muslims Horrified by Details of Apostate Family's Murder...
• Apostate and Christian Father of 7 Shot Dead in Ethiopia...
• Islamists Post 'Hit List' of Apostates...

Conclusion

Islam survived for 1400 years by Taqiyya (Deceptions and lies) and also by coercion, intolerance, and intimidations. Islam is one way traffic; one can get in, but can not get out with his life. The only freedom of belief in Islam is the freedom to become Muslim. Those who turn their back on Islam are to be executed. This is confirmed by the words and deeds of Prophet Muhammad and his early disciples.

For hundreds of years, there has never been a system of Islamic law that did not prescribe the death penalty for any Muslim choosing to leave Islam. Even in modern, ostensibly secular Muslim majority countries with constitutions "guaranteeing" freedom of religion, there is de facto enforcement of this law with intimidation and the occasional murder of apostates.

Contrary to all the platitudes, Taqiyya, disinformation, misinformation, lies and falsifications of the historical records conducted by the followers of Muhammad, his 'Islam' was born by the shedding of a SEA of blood in the Arabian Peninsula, followed by the shedding of an OCEAN of blood throughout the Asia, Africa and Europe, and elsewhere.

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References:

1. The Holy Qur'an, Translated by A. Yousuf Ali, Published by Amana Corporation, Brentwood, Maryland, 1983.
2. Hadiths from various sources (Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslims, Sunaan Abu Dawud, Sunaan ibn Majah, Tirmidhi, Sunaan Nasai) and ancient Islamic history.
3. Guide to Understanding Islam: TheReligionofPeace.com:http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/012-apostasy.htm
4. The punishment of the Apostate according to Islamic law: Abdul Ala Mawdudi, Translated and annotated by Syed Silas Husain and Ernest Hahn. URL: http://www.answering-islam.de/Main/Hahn/Mawdudi/index.htm#publisher]
5. Fatwa by Alazher University, Cairo, Egypt on Punishment for apostate.
6. Some Examples of modern day incidences of punishing an Apostate in the 21st Century world.

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muslims r brain dead...and worst than animals they will never aqccept the truth bcoz of lure wine and of xxx with virgins
written by HARKAT UL JIHAD EI KAFIROON , March 24, 2012

muslims r brain dead...and worst than animals they will never aqccept the truth bcoz of lure wine and of xxx with virgins.they can never charge.

they r braind ead.only see imaginary jannat with wine xxx with virgins.

will do anything for imghinary jannat.

imaginary allah promises sexual orgy paradise not spiritual paradise.

imaginary allah is world biggest whore monger dalal pimp.

M&P
written by Mozambique , March 24, 2012

Editor: Comment deleted. Please do not bring on irrelevant issues onto this thread.

A perfect tafsir in practice of the article
written by Infidel and More Proud , March 24, 2012

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/3307.htm

well you kinow
written by bundypig , March 24, 2012

these people have not and do not follow correct islam, koran says no to this, only man have created this...blah blah blah, I am the source for wisdom of the art of islam here, and I am a great man, big man, with 2 servant wives muahahahahaha
I could see malman doing a speech, blowing his fat nose, and then telling a group of ,say, 1500 people what he types here, such a fool, they'd kill him before he could get to the door, in Pakistan.

Weirdo apostates
written by Rzq , March 24, 2012

When the Muslims get their act together and we have an Islamic state and a chosen emir al momineen! Then I will be more than happy to present your article to the grand mufti to look at!
Why would apostates argue for their own death????

Sayes Mirza
written by fineliving56 , March 24, 2012

Thank you for this well researched article backed with plenty of proofs form Quran,hadeeth,Sirah and recent proves that documents the killings of apostates.

Even I have known all these facts about Quran and hadeeth pertaining the punishment of apostates, it is still gives me a chill up my spine to see them put together in one article …

listed one by one … each one seems to looks like a great big nail that seems to nail down the coffin of Islam to shut it tightly …..to never be open again … to seal it down for eternity …

Before I read anything in the Article , I read the document in Arabic [of course because it is easer for me] ….so I was not prepared to read the bit about killing the man's children in case they did not stay as Muslims after they become adults …

That, shocked me and I thought I sow every thing there is to see and be shocked with in the department of islamic killing in the never ending Saga of islamic killings .

We have to snuff the life out of Islam … we can not rest until that is DONE.

new reasons for beheading
written by Infidel and More proud , March 24, 2012

Following is the actual reasons given for beheading the Sadi journalist for his tweets.

"I think it is good that he will be punished by death sentence. It will act as a deterrant for others. There is a good reason why in shariah law, apostasy or leaving Islam carried the death penalty. Imagine what would happen in this day and age of internet and mass communication...there would be large number of people wanting to leave Islam so they can live their lives the way they choose to, not as chosen for them by Allah and his messenger.

It is a crime to leave the Muslim ummah in the lurch and join some other faith, and in some cases, no faith at all(as Atheists)

We should be glad that even in the face of all these "western" ideals, there are a handful of countries who have adopted the shariah code. It remains to be seen whether they will implement it.

Allah knows best."

So with advent of internet it is possible all Muslims leave their faith and leave Ummah in lurch. Muslims are a hilarous lot for its one of their brothers making the above statement. Feel free to verify on KSAs arabnews.com

@ RZQ when ?
written by Infidel and More proud , March 24, 2012

"When the Muslims get their act together and we have an Islamic state and a chosen emir al momineen!"

Just when ?
1400 years passed already and US has new found oil, with venezuala having worlds biggest oil deposits (more then KSA) where is the achievement ?
Looking back to the old days of sheperding, piracy, fising and pearl trade with India ?

mohammed saw teachings are evil
written by shem , March 24, 2012

i have no doubt. mohammed saw never hear from God. his teaching, an most of his action are sheer evil and WICKEDNESS

Infidel
written by Rzq , March 24, 2012

When? Time is ticking look around you at what is happening in the world. The shackles of the tyrants are coming off and people are now showing signs of life after almost 100 years.
Your arrogant argument of non Muslim achievement in the last 150 years is false.
A millennia previous to that it was the Muslims that achieved. Empires are cyclic. Muslims are on the way up!!!

@ RZQ and Muslim failure et al
written by Infidel and More proud , March 24, 2012

"Your arrogant argument of non Muslim achievement in the last 150 years is false.
A millennia previous to that it was the Muslims that achieved. Empires are cyclic. Muslims are on the way up!!!"

It is 1400 years not 150.
Egypt bankrupt
Shai Sunni strife in KSA, Bahrain, Pakistan.
Pakistan the second country with Polio after Afganistan when India can eradicate it from population of 1 billion.

It was your muslim brother who agreed on Muslim failure in his speech so where is my arrogance?

Infidel
written by Rzq , March 24, 2012

150 years tops prior to that you were mud slingers living on the arse end of the world with no real importance.
Egypt-bankrupt yes after a revolution and 39 years of opression.
Well done sherlock! A right detective. Will they remain that way, no chance.
By the way so is Greece bankrupt and Spain stands on the edge.
How many dollars does the US owe chairman mao???your arguments smell of desperation.
As for the others then it comes to poor leadership.
As for India eradication polio then that is good for them.

@ Rzq the frustrated Muslim
written by Infidel and More proud , March 24, 2012

"150 years tops prior to that you were mud slingers living on the arse end of the world with no real importance."

Is that the best sentence that you can frame. How did you know that I lived at arse end?
Maybe you have first hand experince threfore wear arse ended goggles and see all as yourself or your brothers.
Is living in muslim countries living in arse end?
I asked about where muslims were in last 1400 years and you replied where I lived.
If I lived where you say makes makes muslims more backwards, for it will push them further behind as they have always been.

Shall we stick with this conversation to Muslims only?
1. Is US a muslim country?
2. Is Greece a muslim country?
3. Is China a muslim country?
So what difference do these countries have in making muslims better or worse?
Shall we talk on the GDP of muslim countries vs the world?

Eradication of Polio is good for India but bad for the world if Pakistan still harbors the virus. It is muslims who will deliver it to rest of the world by having this virus amongst them. If you read it KSA has made it mandatory for Pakistani children and families to get vaccinated when they vist or travel through their country.

If you happen to travel to KSA on a Pakistani visa you will also be vaccinated for Polio like it or not.

Infidel
written by Rzq , March 24, 2012

Its the same old same old! First you argue that Egypt is bankrupt because of Islam. I then point out the revolution and dictatorship.
I then asked is greece bankrupt because of Islam too??
Now change the posts!
No Greece/us or China are not Muslim countries.
Your laughable GDP argument holds no water either!
Yes non Muslim countries look good now! No doubt.
Did they look good 100 years ago?
What was the GDP of the ottoman empire against western Europe???
In a 100 years from now it might look different again!
So to Bragg of figures now doesnt mean non Muslim nations are ordained for success! Times are changing get used to it!

Infidel
written by Rzq , March 24, 2012

Back to Pakistan again? The people have an idiot fur a leader and nothing will get done until someone credible emerges!
Im sure that someone will look at the polio problem!!!!
You cannot argue that Pakistan has the polio virus because they are Muslim!!!!

@ RZQ and Polio et al
written by Infidel and More Proud , March 24, 2012

Polio problem and Islam.
The mullahs at mosqu say that polio will make the population infertile for it is Infidel conspiracy.
Islam is delivered by Mullahs at Mosque and it makes muslims suffer.
Yes it is beacsue they are muslims for all other people are inoculated.
Just an example how your religious heads take Muslims backwards.

IS THE CHAIN OF NARRATORS CORRECT?
written by VRM , March 24, 2012

It seems this time round our friends couldn't find any thing wrong with the chain of narrators. Looks like the author has got it right finally.
LOL.
No pathetic attempts to prove the article wrong so far, or, are they fabricating some lies like, enemies of Islam have fabricated these ahadith.
Let's wait and watch.

Infidel
written by Rzq , March 24, 2012

Can you honestly say with hand on heart that you either know or have heard in conversation something so stupid.
"The mullahs at mosque say that polio will make the population infertile for it is Infidel conspiracy"
If this is the case then they need a slap! That's all I can say in this subject!

VRM
written by Rzq , March 24, 2012

I havnt even bothered to check! No point!
It just ends up in petty insults back and forth.
Irrespective of the above article I still retain my opinion!

No Quranic proof
written by Malem , March 24, 2012

There is not one Verse or Surah that says Apostates must endure this punishment at all. What you have is a bunch Sharia/hadith which are NOT the word of Allah, rather the stories of Men who think they could change Islam to fit their ways. Those are NOT part of Allahs guidance as shown the quran.

Dear Editor
written by Mozambique , March 24, 2012

"Editor: Comment deleted. Please do not bring on irrelevant issues onto this thread."

Dear Editor not a single post by RZQ and Infidel above are related to the Article...waiting when you will delete them???

regards

Moz
written by Rzq , March 24, 2012

Booo hoo boo hoo!
Go cwy to daddy!!
Big baby!!! Grow a pair!

GDP
written by milad meah , March 24, 2012

@ Infidel and More proud
What GDP?
Muslims don't know what GDP is and don't want to know.
Their GDP is how many Kafirs they have killed and how many virgins and wine they will get in paradise.

Who is Baby
written by RZQ , March 24, 2012

written by Rzq, March 24, 2012
Booo hoo boo hoo!
Go cwy to daddy!!
Big baby!!! Grow a pair!

everyone can see who is acting baby.

remove diaper from your mouth and can you talk something related to the article you idiot.

Moz
written by Muslim and proud , March 24, 2012

Dear Editor not a single post by RZQ and Infidel above are related to the Article...waiting when you will delete them???

Your 'dear editor' has already warned you in the last few days about your '8 year old idiotic behaviour'. You have no room to talk and besides, we already know what you have proved by continuing your posts (remember what I said to you).....lol

Rzq - You are right about the shackles of the tyrants - InshaAllah, muslims will prosper.............

Muslims are Poor because...
written by Infidel and More Proud , March 24, 2012

1. Allah wants them to be poor for as test of their integrity because he wants to see whether
they remember him or start doing bad things for food and money such as stealing from others.

2. He keeps other poor to test the rich whether they give zakah to poor.

This implies they will remain poor AKA never prosper because it is Allahs wish.

If all Muslims prosper and become rich then Allah will not be able to test their integrity and there will be no poor to take alms or zakah from rich anymore.

Apostacy - The Facts
written by Muslim and proud , March 24, 2012

Apostacy = High Treason (in most cases)

A muslim walking away from Islam and living peacefully is not the same as a muslim walking away from Islam and declaring (verbal) war.......hence high treason. For the muslim who walks away peacefully, nobody need know that he is an apostate. Unfortunately, in recent times especially, apostates consider it their duty to wage (verbal) war against Islam, hence the punishment for this is severe.

The phrase "hung, drawn and quartered" can be Googled to understand what the consequences of high treason were in England.

Here is a sample of how the English dealt with those who committed high treason:

"The 13th-century English chronicler Matthew Paris described how in 1238 "a certain man at arms, a man of some education (armiger literatus)"[1] attempted to kill Henry III. His account records in gruesome detail how the would-be assassin was executed: "dragged asunder, then beheaded, and his body divided into three parts; each part was then dragged through one of the principal cities of England, and was afterwards hung on a gibbet used for robbers."[2][nb 1] He was apparently sent by William de Marisco, an outlaw who some years earlier had killed a man under royal protection before fleeing to Lundy Island. De Marisco was captured in 1242 and on Henry's order dragged from Westminster to the Tower of London to be executed. There he was hanged from a gibbet until dead. His corpse was disembowelled, his entrails burnt, his body quartered and the parts distributed to cities across the country.[4] The punishment is more frequently recorded during Edward I's reign."

Although this is an example from the 13th Century, I wonder how it compares to be-heading in terms of severity.

Please remember that the death penalty for treason in England was only abolished in 1998.

Islam will not change it's law........this is impossible.

Ps. All of the English Treason Acts remain in force, to this day.

Verbal war
written by Bikinilover , March 24, 2012

Its called speaking your truth. In most western nations it is sacred. Not in Islam obviously.

...
written by bundypig , March 24, 2012

your example is off base
The english man attempted to murder Henry, while the x-muslim is just relating to there time served in islam

Wonderful article
written by Tanstaafl jw , March 24, 2012

I wonder if Muslims realize the implications of a "religion" that kills anyone who leaves it..........depends on the Muslim, I suppose.

M&P Islam & Mafia
written by Mozambique , March 24, 2012

"Your 'dear editor' has already warned you in the last few days about your '8 year old idiotic behaviour'. You have no room to talk and besides, we already know what you have proved by continuing your posts (remember what I said to you).....lol "

24 hr paid islamic agent M&P in action again. Dear son of mullah Umar can you answer why someone who is rejecting bS*it called islam is to be killed? rather than talking non sense.

You must be dreaming of eating Mo's fart*s. Please tell us why Islam and Underground mafia has similar characteristics??

M&P
written by Mozambique , March 24, 2012

If someone leaves under ground mafia that was trying to impose its own laws on him and forcing him to do certain things against his mind rejecting his free will and freedom and now this man wants to tell everyone about it.

why would you call it treason??

Only an apostate can tell others how he was being treated and forced into useless rituals and beliefs inside the mafia.

why would you call it treason??

this is similar to a person who was abducted and then forced by the abductors to do things against his free will and now luckily this person goes free and he wants to inform the world about the atrocities by abductors!1

why would you call it treason?? of course you guys cannot hear bad about mafia therefore you want to kill him in the name of treason. Right M&P?

Should we kill all "high treasoners"?
written by ex-Muslim , March 24, 2012

According to Muslim scholars rzq, M&P -- only those Muslim apostates, who commit high treason, by telling openly about their leaving Islam, are to be killed as per Islam.

Let followers of all religions of the world apply the same standard: kill whoever commits high treason with those religions. And obviously apostates/renegades of Christian, Jewish and Hindu etc. faiths, who convert to Islam, commit greatest degree of high treason -- not only by openly declaring their apostasy, but also by adopting Islamic dress-code, beard and such things.

Should the kuffar of the world be like the good followers of the nicest religion, Islam, and seek those apostates out and slaughter them to the last man/woman, in order to wipe out the worst crime of high treason, like Muslims do, and are also advocating on this forum.

Islam is barbarism out and out, and its followers, however educated and taqiya-tactician-kind they may be, can't just hide their barbaric colours, despite trying their utmost.

@Muslims …. Islam is not a country with a sitting government … treason does NOT apply to Islam
written by fineliving56 , March 25, 2012

The meaning of TREASON …
'
' The crime of betraying one's country by attempting to kill the sovereign [ the living … meaning he has to be alive or overthrow the government [ sitting government …meaning in the presence not the past]

Islam is not a country … has NO siting president … has NO sitting government … NO government secrets … Islam secrets are there for all to see and read IN Quran/hedeeth/Sorah .

To compare the religion of Islam to a country with a sitting government in the present … is nothing but an attempt to trick, deceive and obfuscate people … Of course it does not work … not at all …

Islam is nothing but a headless religion with a dead prophet. …. with 72 sects that hate each other and like to taste the blood of each other because of old revenges between old enemies

this makes Treason is not applicable to ISLAM

The last time Ilsam had a Caliph that was in 1258. after, that , they were called Sultans … they were all murdered by other sects since Abo Baker Al seddeq .

They were weak, ignorant,wominzers,gready and loved to kill other sects of Muslims and non Muslims … All of that contributed to their demise .

Refuting Muslims is so easy …. there books work against them …. they are stuck and cant change anything to improve the situation …

muslim and proud
written by vbv , March 25, 2012

Religion bereft of spirituality, morals, and good philosophy always hides behind such obscurantist and barbaric concepts like 'blasphemy' and 'apostacy'. How can you call questioning or rejecting any faith as " high treason" that should attract death penalty ? It is all coercin - tactics to keep the muslims in line like keeping a herd of cattle - the muslims cannot question the irrationalities of this barbaric cult nor get civilised and democratic and respect humanrights , but to follow some tribal laws and practices from the primitive arabs sanctifying it as "divine" and given by a socalled divine spook called Allah ,whose existence is as good as the existence that can be vouched for Rumplestiltskin or Cinderella. Islamic societies are worse than Hitler's prison camps with mullahs and dictators herding the populace worse than cattle with an iron hand and barbaric punishments. It stifles human intelligence and creativity rendering everyone zombified and made stupid with fear of retribution hanging over their heads like the sword of Damocles. Islam cannot produce any great philosopher like Bertrand Russel, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Nietzsche, Santayana, or any great scientist like Einstein, Newton, Stephen Hawkings, or great economists like Paul Samuelson, etc. Let alone great writers like Shakespeare, Dickens, Goethe, Jane Austen, George Eliot, poets like Wordsworth,Shelly, T.S.Eliot,etc. Or great musicians like Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin, Richard Wagner,etc.They belong to the dark age of ignorance and arab shitty tribal way of life . To compound and perpetuate this backwardness and to keep people bereft of free human spirit and creativity and progress of civilisation they have invented this barbaric code called Sharia that is used to threaten people and lull them into unwilling submission to the most barbaric cult in human history called 'islam'.

LOL
written by Jye's sister , March 25, 2012

Is m&p actually trying to defend the murder of Apostates and "blasphemers" (ie: speaking truths about Islam), by trying to compare it to treason laws?

Firstly, what country is Islam?

Secondly, no civilized country (which does not include muslim countries) define treason as insulting the majority religion, or the government. Freedom of expression; it's what sets us apart from all the insecure little barbaric countries.

And thirdly, well done, you've just proved us all right. Even an "idiot 8 year old" could pick that pathetic argument apart.

ROFL!

Also, by comparing it with treason
written by Jye's sister , March 25, 2012

he also demonstrates the point that Islam is not just a religion, but a political, totalitarian regime, enforcing brutal laws on it's followers, while refusing to allow them to leave. (because that would be treason) And by trying to defend this regime, he proves that he supports it.

Apostasy and blasphemy is treason and punishable by death. ROFL.

Again, well down M&P

Wanting to punish only-verbal war against Islam is totalitarian, intolerant and supportive of enemies of Democratic Nations
written by Demsci , March 25, 2012

I like Jiye's sisters posts very much. We could argue that our political ideology, which is deep in our heart, is about human rights (incl.women's rights) and all democratic values and laws. That established, we can name Islam also a political ideology, for it refuses to make distinction between church and state.

Our side emphatically supports freedom of speech and now Muslim & Proud talks about VERBAL war against Islam as treason to Islam, or the Ummah. As opposed to Physical war against the Ummah. But verbal war is harmless to bodies, it only hurts feelings, and bodies are protected but feelings are not by our side.

Deathpenalty for apostasy is thus about censorship and it is totalitarian. Muslims who live in democratic nations and adhere to this are disloyal to their nations. They are setting Islam up against Democratic Nations and they are supporting the totalitarian enemies of Democratic Nations.

But the Democratic Nations let them because they too have freedom of speech. But the border of freedom of speech is that Democratic Nations have the right to be intolerant to those who want to change Democratic Nations into intolerant Nations, in defense of overall tolerance.

Infidel and more proud, be proud of what you are for and not so much of what others call you, dependent on what you are NOT.
written by Demsci , March 25, 2012

Infidel and more proud, I like reading your posts very much. They are well-informed and well reasoned in my opinion, you have my compliments and thanks. And this goes for many fine posters here.

But no criticism, but just a thought for you: You name yourself "Infidel" and it occurred to me that "infidel" is a name given by Muslims to describe people with what they are NOT, namely NOT MUSLIM.

I've been thinking that Muslims at least know what they are FOR and PROUD of; Islam. And we know that most citizens of Democratic Nations are mere "Neutrals, seemingly uncaring, neutral about their political values.

May I be so bold as to estimate you to be in favor of human rights and most Democratic values and laws? And call you "Democratic Citizen and Proud"?

Let US call Muslims non-democrats, describe them by what they are NOT
written by Demsci , March 25, 2012

By the same token, let Democratic Citizens turn the tables on Muslims and describe THEM by what they are not: Muslims are (often) NON-DEMOCRATIC people.

Apostates of Islam, Infidels, these are names given by Muslims. And they describe what the apostates left behind, and what the infidels are NOT. But it is my hope that more and more apostates and other infidels can say that they are something like democratic citizen and humari (human rights-supporter) and that it is Muslims who are outside this democratic human-rights ummah.

But Muslims are invited in "our Ummah" and it can be argued that a real democratic and human rights supporting Muslim is a democratic humari brother/ sister, more worth to us than all those "neutrals" in democratic nations.

great idea
written by Jye's sister , March 25, 2012

Demsci. Non-democrats is very fitting.

M&P and Treason
written by Mozambique , March 25, 2012

The core point is

"Every religion abducts a human's mind and body from birth particularly islam" right from reciting Azaan in his

ears the moment he breaths on earth.

muslims will do every effort to bind him in the chains of beliefs rituals and practices in the name of allah and mohamed although he has no sense of it.

Muslims have no right to do this!!

By luck he escapes this abduction and chains and wants to tell his sufferings to others muslims want to kill him in the name of Treason.

What a justice?

i know M&P/ RZQ bros of abductors have no answer so they are waiting for the change of topic.

To Demsci, Jye's Sister
written by Archpagan , March 25, 2012

Defining the 'others' in one's own term is very common. Muslims have Kuffar, Jews/Christians have Pagan/Heathens and we Hindus too have Mlechhas and Yavanas. But the word 'Hindu' was coined by the Persians. So, such defining can take on respectability over time.

'Non-democrats' sounds very weak term. Moreover, it will bracket Communists and other authoritarians with Muslims. Uncivilized or Medieval would be the better word to define Muslims in our own term as we are civilized and forward looking.

All the kuffar ladies
written by Muslim and proud , March 25, 2012

Ladies,

High treason in this scenario is about declaring War against Islam (obviously verbal because it is not possible for you to be involved in a physical war with Islam).

Bundy said:

The english man attempted to murder Henry, while the x-muslim is just relating to there time served in islam

So that's what IW is all about is it?........

Moz said (lol):

Only an apostate can tell others how he was being treated and forced into useless rituals and beliefs

Indeed - he/she had a gun to their head when they were being 'forced' right?

Lol

This ones the best:

this is similar to a person who was abducted and then forced by the abductors to do things against his free will and now luckily this person goes free and he wants to inform the world about the atrocities by abductors

What if the abductors agree to let you go and for you to live peacefully?

You agree to that deal and say "I will go and live peacefully".

You then leave and wage war against the abductors.

This is called HIGH TREASON......

ROFL
PMSL
LMAO

Fineliving666, in here usual (lack of) style:

The meaning of TREASON …
'
' The crime of betraying one's country by attempting to kill the sovereign [ the living … meaning he has to be alive or overthrow the government [ sitting government …meaning in the presence not the past]

Errrrrm, I think you will find that treason / high treason do not have just ONE meaning. Get someone to translate it for you love.

Addams Family:

LOL
ROFL
PMSL
LMAO

You ladies have no idea..............abductors and chains............PMSL

puke
written by Jye's sister , March 25, 2012

did you just call me "love" Muslima? Ugh... please don't again. I just ate.

Treason, high treason, apples, tomatoes. You're the barbarian that believes Apostates and Blasphemers should be murdered, dopey. Not me.

Were blasphemy and treason in the UK every synonymous? And what era?

Please clear that up, since you compared English treason laws with justification for your barbarian brethren murdering apostates.

Addams Family Puke
written by Muslim and proud , March 25, 2012

Please clear that up, since you compared English treason laws with justification for your barbarian brethren murdering apostates.

My point was this Mr Addam, England has laws to deal with treason. Islam has laws to deal with treason.

England changed it's laws.
Islam will never change it's laws.

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written by vbv , March 25, 2012

Why are apostasy and blasphemy treated as crime with such extreme brutal and barbaric capital punishment ? Because otherwise people would leave islam by the hordes , leaving just a handful comprising the madcap mullahs, the criminals who rejoice in being muslims since they can indulge in all criminal activities with the approval of their scriptures ,that is the quran, hadiths and the sunnah of Muhamad. Evry sane human being would escape this barbaric cult to the civilisation of the rest of the world. The only way to perpetuate this cult is to hoodwink gullible and innocent people into adopting this cult and then showing their true colours and threatening the converts to islam saying that there is no way you can leave this cult , there is no escape from it , except by death. This is how mafia goons and gangsters operate. And Muhamad was the first supercriminal goon to have successfully organised this mafia cult by giving it a colour of 'religion' literally to put the "fear of Allah and Muhamad" in the heads of zombified people that there is no way out from the membership of this cult , and should you contemplate leaving, criticising or questioning Muhamad and his Allah ,you can book your ticket to a gruesome sticky end. That is in essence islam all about - a cult that promotes arab supremacy, a divisive cult that divides humanity into "us versus them" , a cult that has no respect for humanrights, childrights,womens rights, freedom of expression, freethinking, creativity, progress in knowledge, science and the arts. It is a total package for destroying human civilisation and taking the humanity to ignorance, fear,superstition and backwardness. That is why it has the crutches like "death for apostasy' and "death for blasphemy" codes ,without which it will definitely die , become extinct in no time.

Vbv
written by Muslim and proud , March 25, 2012

Change the record dude - this one is boring since you have played it over and over and over and over again so many times.

...
written by vbv , March 25, 2012

Only the intolerant and bgoted monotheistic cults lean heavily on such bogus and irrational concepts like 'blasphemy' and 'apostasy' ,because they stand on shaky foundations that is bereft of spirituality and human and moral values. They cannot face any criticism , so they silence others with threats of violence and death. They are anti-civilisational, anti humanism and against freedom , freethinking and creativity. They are misogynistic and hatemongering. Their "god" is a lonely spook hovering above the clouds with an extremely bad temper, destructive-thinking, instigating and inciting violence against 'infidels' ,though impotent since this "god" cannot do anything by himself( since he is an imaginery spook) and depends on his zealous fanatics carrying out all the pogroms and genocidal activities to literally scare the opposition into submission to this organised criminal cult that goes in the name of monotheistic 'religion'. To keep its flock in the folds it is necassary to have such barbaric laws againsthe so called 'blasphemy' and apostasy.

...
written by Jye's sister , March 25, 2012

My point was this Mr Addam, England has laws to deal with treason. Islam has laws to deal with treason.

What Islam calls treason, civilized countries call exercising their basic human rights of freedom of expression.

Islam refers to treason as apostasy and blasphemy. Do you agree with this do you?

ha
written by Jye's sister , March 25, 2012

Change the record dude - this one is boring since you have played it over and over and over and over again so many times.

this is Muslim and Proud's way of proving that he can't refute an argument.

M & P
written by ex-Muslim , March 25, 2012

Agreed with your definition of high treason.

But should we do likewise, like barbarous Muslims/Islam do, for dealing with those who commit high treason by leaving Christian, Jewish and other faiths and join Islam?

We may start with Muhammad the greatest barbarian, who waged verbal war against all religions of the world. The Quran insults and criticizes other religions. We may start with burning all copies of the Quran for committing high treason.

What do you say?

Ex-muslim
written by Muslim and proud , March 25, 2012

Agreed with your definition of high treason.

Progress.

But should we do likewise, like barbarous Muslims/Islam do, for dealing with those who commit high treason by leaving Christian, Jewish and other faiths and join Islam?

You can't can you. That's the irony for you and all other ladies who left Islam.

We may start with Muhammad the greatest barbarian, who waged verbal war against all religions of the world. The Quran insults and criticizes other religions. We may start with burning all copies of the Quran for committing high treason.

What do you say

Please refer to above answer.

muslim and proud
written by vbv , March 25, 2012

Well,well,well ! When you rae faced with facts that ae inconvenient to you , you say it is boring. Facts are facts . What do you expect quote quran and hadiths ,which anyway is amply quoted in the artcle above , as well as by some other commentators on this site ? I have the Quran translation by Pickthall , and also another one distributed by Zakir Naik's organisation free of cost. Both vary a bit in many places. Zakir Naik's translation is ofcourse questionable since he has an agenda of debunking everything and converting everyone to islam. Pickthall is a more reliable translation. However the barbaric nature manifests itself in both the translations ,even though Zakir Naik's book tries to show it better than what it is actually. Nevertheless, the nature of islam for what it is actually as an arab supremacist, racist, destructive of freedom,knowledge and civilisation comes out clearly from not only the muslim scriptures but also the backwardness , oppression and rampant corruption and immorality,violence and barbaric nature of this cult from the nations of islam around the world like Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Iran, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Palestine, Egypt, Nigeria, Somalia, Sudan, Libya, Tunisia,etc. You just name any muslim country , you come across such pathetic cases of political instabilty, violence and turmoil, persecution of non-muslim minorities, backwardness, fostering extremism and terrorist activities and deceptions. Ofcourse these facts will be unpalatable to you or any muslim , who will deny ,lie and obfuscate to hide all the failures of islam, the barbaric arab cult.

Vbv
written by Muslim and proud , March 25, 2012

When you rae faced with facts that ae inconvenient to you , you say it is boring. Facts are facts.

Let's talk about facts about Islam then Vbv. Would you like to start by providing one fact of Islam - something that YOU BELIEVE TO BE A FACT. Let's see shall we.....

Over to you.

lol
written by Jye's sister , March 25, 2012

Let's talk about facts about Islam then Vbv. Would you like to start by providing one fact of Islam - something that YOU BELIEVE TO BE A FACT. Let's see shall we.....

Over to you.

This is Muslim and Proud's favorite ploy. When he can't refute an argument, he deflects onto the person he's losing the argument against.

Addams Family
written by Muslim and proud , March 25, 2012

This is Muslim and Proud's favorite ploy. When he can't refute an argument, he deflects onto the person he's losing the argument against.

Let's wait for the "fact" shall we.

Vbv - take your time ;-)

see?
written by Jye's sister , March 25, 2012

Case in point. See above post.

Jye's sisters
written by fineliving56 , March 25, 2012

And ….

LOL …LMAO ….ROFL …..RMSL ….

Is, one of Muslim's excellent WAY of refuting the charges against Ilsam we are presenting

Wow … I like to know which school he learned this from, So I tell people NOT to send their kids to it.

Jye and his sister
written by Rzq , March 25, 2012

Vbv just blows hot air. There is nothing to refute in his vitriolic comments. That's all they are comments, not facts. Take the below
". Islam cannot produce any great philosopher like Bertrand Russel, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Nietzsche, Santayana, or any great scientist like Einstein, Newton, Stephen Hawkings, or great economists like Paul Samuelson, etc. Let alone great writers like Shakespeare, Dickens, Goethe, Jane Austen, George Eliot, poets like Wordsworth,Shelly, T.S.Eliot,etc. Or great musicians like Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin, Richard Wagner"
How can he be taken seriously???

Jye and his sister
written by Rzq , March 25, 2012

Vbv is full of hot air. No substance just comment and no fact.
In his post above he says Islam produced no philosophers, musicians etc.
Then he reels off names he has heard of and never read!
How can this guy be taken seriously!
M and P responds to him. I just ignore the retard!

Rzq
written by Jye's sister , March 25, 2012

Fair enough, it's your prerogative to ignore him. I'm pointing out how M&P twists every argument to avoid having to straight up answer.

I know a fact about Islam
written by Tanstaafl jw , March 25, 2012

In the 1400 years of Islamic history, Muslims have killed over 280 million unbelievers.

Addams Family 8 year olds
written by Muslim and proud , March 25, 2012

Fair enough, it's your prerogative to ignore him. I'm pointing out how M&P twists every argument to avoid having to straight up answer.

I have asked you for a straight answer on another article - let's see if you can answer or not.

Tanstaafl jw:

I know a fact about Islam - In the 1400 years of Islamic history, Muslims have killed over 280 million unbelievers.

Now all you have to do is prove it - with facts of course.

M & P agree that Islam is barbarism
written by ex-Muslim , March 25, 2012

But should we do likewise, like barbarous Muslims/Islam do, for dealing with those who commit high treason by leaving Christian, Jewish and other faiths and join Islam?

You can't can you. That's the irony for you and all other ladies who left Islam.

So Mr. M & P -- being a follower of barbaric Islam and its barbaric prophet -- you are advocating here that those who openly leave Islam should be killed as per Islamic law, because in doing so, they commit "high treason". But when I asked about those Christians, Jews and others, commit similar "high treason" by leaving those religions and embracing Islam -- you say: kuffars of the world cannot do the same. Of course, they can't and they won't, because they are civilized human beings, not barbaric like the followers of barbaric Islam.

I draw attention of the admin to report this barbarian and his associate "rzq" to authority of the country they live in, because they are justifying, and thereby inciting, murder of Muslim apostates.

M&P
written by Jye's sister , March 25, 2012

I have asked you for a straight answer on another article - let's see if you can answer or not.

I answered like I always do. I am now waiting for you to twist or deflect. Which I will point out.

Ex Muslim
written by Rzq , March 25, 2012

Are you moz really???
Cwy baby!
Grow a pair!
"I draw attention of the admin to report this barbarian and his associate "rzq" to authority of the country they live in, because they are justifying, and thereby inciting, murder of Muslim apostates"
Loooooser!

lol
written by Jye's sister , March 25, 2012

Tanstaafl jw said:

I know a fact about Islam - In the 1400 years of Islamic history, Muslims have killed over 280 million unbelievers.

M&P said:

Now all you have to do is prove it - with facts of course.

AGAIN, M&P cannot refute, so he deflects back to Tanstaafl jw

ex- Muslim
written by fineliving56 , March 25, 2012

Hello …

Have you shard your story of how you left Islam … If you did, I must have missed reading about it here … I hope you do … the world is waiting for the blinding veil to clear away from the eyes of Muslims …..

telling the stories of leaving it … is the cake AND the icing on the cake … ;)

We share a very unique existence …. sharing our stories helps better our existence

thanks

Vbv
written by Rzq , March 25, 2012

Islamic philosophers to name but a few:
Avicenna, averroes, al gazali, Alhacen, Al-farabi.
These are giants in the philosophy world.

Muslim scientists to name but a few
Alhazen, Ibn firnas, Al basri, Al kwarismi
Go read about them.
If I have seen farther than other men it is because I have stood on the shoulders of giants.-Sir Isaac .

Great muslim writers and poets:
One word blows everything away. RUMI
There are so many to list and choose from.

As for music- It is so diverse that it's impossible to choose.
For me personally, nusrat fateh Ali khan blows all past non Muslim musicians out of the water apart from the great Sri Ravi Shankar!

so you see vbv! You cannot be taken seriously when you just blow hot air!

Rzq
written by Jye's sister , March 25, 2012

Doesn't Sharia Law forbid music, and musical instruments? I'd hate to see music from anywhere in the world and from any culture be forbidden.

PS: I thought you ignored vbv?

jayes sister
written by Rzq , March 25, 2012

Music is forbidden??? Nope never heard that one before!
Why would it be forbidden?

My bad! Back to ignoring vbv!

Rzq
written by Jye's sister , March 25, 2012

In certain Hadiths Mohammed apparently banned music? Yeah, no?

Eh, ignore him or not. No skin off my back.

Jyes sister
written by Rzq , March 25, 2012

The prophet banned music???
No idea! I shall look into it! Where did you get this from???

Rzq
written by Jye's sister , March 25, 2012

I googled, and this was the top result. I'd look for more but my pc is being a slow fooker at the moment.

http://muttaqun.com/music.html

Rzq
written by Jye's sister , March 25, 2012

I only remembered because of something I read regarding this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...ities.html

Addams Family
written by Muslim and proud , March 25, 2012

AGAIN, M&P cannot refute, so he deflects back to Tanstaafl jw

Errrrm, I asked Tanstaafl JW for facts and guess what..............

I'm still waiting (yawns)

No surpises there.

@ RZQ and Nusrat fateh Ali Khan, music et al
written by Infidel and More proud , March 25, 2012

According to Sunnis or Muslim majority Sufis are not muslim. They are considered deviant therefore many were killed by Saudi wahabis in the past. Inside job not outside nations to blame. They are regularly killed now also for example killed by bombers at dargah in pakistanhttp://www.allvoices.com/contr...nes/images
So would you consider him a muslim for he is deviating from Mos AKA muslim ideology.

Jyes sister
written by Rzq , March 25, 2012

Thanks for the link. Interesting read. Word of caution, if you want to know an Islamic opinion then ask anyone but a mainstream Saudi scholar. Most of the knowledeable scholars are in Saudi jails. The Saudi scholars for dollars don't cut it!
I looked at the commentary and it was by the late sheikh ibn baz!
He is the guy that supported Saudi brutality throughout his career. He gave religious edicts which allowed the use of Saudi air space by Israel to bomb Iraq in the 80s.
The Saudis stopped aid to the Iraqis when the "oil for food" programme began. A conservative estimate is that a million Iraqi children died from malnutrition.
This scholar also signed a edict which allowed American bases to be set up on Muslim soil to slaughter the Iraqi Muslims and we still feel the effects of that today. Hoes, alcohol, pig, porn you name was allowed so that the americans would feel at ease before slaughtering the Iraqi Muslims.
May Allah(swt) judge him.

Muslim marriage survival manual
written by Infidel and More proud , March 25, 2012

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...stick.html
The book advises men that they should scold their wives.
According to the book, they may also 'beat by hand or stick, withhold money from her or pull (her) by the ears.'

Infidel
written by Rzq , March 25, 2012

A book by good old Ashraf Ali thanvi!
Say no more!!!

Rzq - Re Ashraf Ali Thanvi
written by Muslim and proud , March 25, 2012

A book by good old Ashraf Ali thanvi!
Say no more!!!

Indeed - Thanvi and his crew are not the most reliable of sources - I totally stand by what you are saying Bro.

What am I?
written by Allah , March 25, 2012

Hello hello hello everybody!!

Look, I think this has all got a bit out of control. I am just a volcano! What on earth are people worshipping me from miles away for? That's just silly. They can't even see me. Ok, when I blow my top with fiery wrath I do throw out a lot of ash and smoke and my feiry fingers of lava river can be seen from miles around, but I was only ever expecting the desert nomads to slit goats throats. I feel a bit silly now. I'm really not that great!

Can't we just tone it down a bit? Maybe stick to maximum 10 000 people. I can't make my balls of sulphar fast enough to keep up with demand!

Puff!!!!!

Allah. x

Infidel
written by fineliving56 , March 25, 2012

I like your name ….. )

It is true that sleazy Muslim Imams said to hit women with A stick … but most of the times they do not specify how BIG the Muslim men stick has to be … the Quran did not either … it said { {Idrubohonnah }………... beat

so

My grandfather [ being a devout Muslim] showed my grandmother a stick as tall as himself and as thick as a bat, to promise her to hit with it ….if she disobeyed in her wedding night when she was 11 .

Muslim men and their sticks … we are so sick of there sticks … I which they know what they can do with their stick ….

I know another fact about Islam
written by Tanstaafl jw , March 25, 2012

Since the attacks against the innocent citizens of the United States on 9/11 there have been over 18,500 attacks against unbelievers by Muslim jihadis.

What, me worry!
written by Yibel , March 25, 2012

M&P's presents a very good point:
Islam is in reality a country (sans borders). Islam owns the whole world and everything in it. Just as "England has laws to deal with treason. Islam has laws to deal with treason"... and "Islam will never change it's laws."

Islam is an Arab political and imperialistic ideology which is a brutal, backward, woman abusing, violent, and intellectually narrow warrior cult that is out to annihilate civilization. It is propagated by the sword and Islam's Shari'ah (Law of the "greatest god" Ah/Sin, the moon god) says:

(Quran: Sura Al-Muhammad 47:4) “So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve, smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives/slaves). Thereafter (is the time) either for generosity (i.e. free them without ransom), or ransom (according to what benefits Islam), until the war lays down its burden. Thus [you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the disbelievers till they embrace Islam or at least come under your protection.”

Muhammed himself bragged that he had been made victorious with terror, and his
followers are obliged to imitate Muhammed's infallible example as the "perfect" man and role model of behavior. This is not to suggest that all Muslims are fully observant terrorists. Recent polls suggest that only about 30% actively support terrorism so that amounts to only about 400 million jihadi potentials worldwide - but all Muslims are required by the law (Shari'ah) of THEIR country, their ONLY country (Islam) to further the agenda of world domination by the UmmAh to which they owe their ONLY allegiance. So, nothing to worry about!!!

Which quoooraaan?
written by 1proudkaffur4life , March 25, 2012

No Quranic proof
written by Malem, March 24, 2012

There is not one Verse or Surah that says Apostates must endure this punishment at all. What you have is a bunch Sharia/hadith which are NOT the word of Allah, rather the stories of Men who think they could change Islam to fit their ways. Those are NOT part of Allahs guidance as shown the quran.

Qute End ]

OK Now how does one know WHICH are the ACTUAL wordsw of the stoned-gawd allah? Which english quooran do you regard as authorative? Again as I was told men can mistranslate the quooraan....

So if men can make up the hadiths, or change the bible, why not the quoraan?

Rights of ex-muslims
written by Scrutator , March 25, 2012

Once muslim countries treat ex-muslims (belonging to another religion or to none) with the same rights, duties, dignity and respect as muslims, will the world believe that muslims and muslim countries have finally become civilized !!!

@ex-Muslim; point noted
written by Editor, M A Khan , March 25, 2012

I draw attention of the admin to report this barbarian and his associate "rzq" to authority of the country they live in, because they are justifying, and thereby inciting, murder of Muslim apostates.

I guess you make sense. Given young Muslims getting radicalized and taking to Jihad, as we saw in Mohammad Merah in France, preaching death against ex-Muslims by the likes of M&P and rzq may inspire Muslims to take to violent action against ex-Muslims they come across.

Editor
written by fineliving56 , March 25, 2012

I was waiting for some kind of action taken, after reading some of the posts written by Muslims who believe killing ex Muslims who announce leaving Islam publicly, is justified because that is considered treason punished by death.

Also advocating the killing of critics of Muhammad is another admission done by Muslims and proud and rzq here and what is worse, they just laough about it and call names … I was shocked and dismayed of how easy it was worded without any remorse or regard for people …

being an ex Muslima who has been criticizing Muhammad and Islam for long time now , really hit home …

thank you

Defeated Bros
written by Mozambique , March 25, 2012

there is not a single comment from our islamic bros about apostacy AFTER MY POST. as i said they changed the topic to music and else. they are totally defeated crushed and humiliated.

editor is not taking action?

as Fineliving said this is frustrating now.

Archpagan
written by Demsci , March 25, 2012

'Non-democrats' sounds very weak term. Moreover, it will bracket Communists and other authoritarians with Muslims. Uncivilized or Medieval would be the better word to define Muslims in our own term as we are civilized and forward looking.

Response; it is OK with me that Muslims are bracketed with other non-democrats. There are many neutrals too. But your alternative is fine too. But the term is unimportant. What I want to convey is:

I have heard say "When you are ordered not to think of a white bear, you inadvertently must think of a white bear"

When non-Muslims are against Islam, Islam is what we think about, we give it attention with passion.

When Muslims are called deficient in democratic values-laws, or anti-democratic and also deficient in human rights or anti-human-rights, it is they who cannot help but thinking about democratic values and laws and human rights.

GOOGLE 'OH MY VOLCANO'
written by The Fog Horn , March 26, 2012

GOD/YAHWEH/ALLAH started out as nothing more than volcanic activity worship.

MOUNT SINAI WAS A VOLCANO IN SAUDI!!!!

God only became omnipresent and inside people's heads because the volcanoes stopped erupting and the Hebrews moved on.

We are all the same! There are no God's chosen people.

ALLAH = GOD = YAHWEH = EXTINCT VOLCANO GOD.

foghorn...thanks so much great info
written by HARKAT UL JIHAD EI KAFIROON , March 26, 2012

foghorn...thanks so much great info

...
written by bundypig , March 26, 2012

this is THE most intelligent ideology that has ever existed (sarcasm, in case MP tries to make some stupid remark about me saying that)...
http://sheikyermami.com/2012/03/26/blessings-from-the-feces-of-aishas-camel-no-shiite/

Fineliving
written by Rzq , March 26, 2012

Fineliving or should i say her son!
written by fineliving56 , March 26, 2012
I was waiting for some kind of action taken, after reading some of the posts written by Muslims who believe killing ex Muslims who announce leaving Islam publicly, is justified because that is considered treason punished by death.

Also advocating the killing of critics of Muhammad is another admission done by Muslims and proud and rzq here and what is worse, they just laough about it and call names … I was shocked and dismayed of how easy it was worded without any remorse or regard for people …

being an ex Muslima who has been criticizing Muhammad and Islam for long time now , really hit home …

WHAT IS MY POSITION ON APOSTACY????
Since you know just remind me again????

Fineliving
written by Rzq , March 26, 2012

You got nothing to say??
Granny just scoring points????

Muslim and Proud
written by vbv , March 26, 2012

I have already cited the backwardness , violence and misery in muslim countries like Iran, Iraq, Sudan, Nigeria, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Somalia, Saudi Arabia ,etc are great examples where "sharia " is implemented. Now it will soon be joined by Egypt, Libya, Tunisia and probably Syria . These are living examples of crass corruption, violence-ridden, extreme intolerance. These are the facts staring at you. It is no good trying to quote quran and hadiths which were written by barbarians 12 to 14 centuries back ,which have no relevance today at all. Islam has made people crazy nuts ,intolerant bigots ,unwilling to see reason and sense , and incapable to face the modern times. That is why they want to go back to the ways of the arab brigands who knew just murder, plunder,slavery and indolence. Take the arabs in the arabian peninsula: they are indolent and also insolent , incapble of any work , either skilled,unskilled or professional , far from becoming able persons who can build their country's economy. That is why they import people from other countries to build infrastucture facilities, run their hospitals, run their airports, shipping ports, fly their airplanes, or help in all engineering projects. Without people from south, and southeast Asia, and other countries these arabs , hardly educated, quran-toting nuts can do nothing. They neither have the skills nor the technical education and capabilities ,despite their arrogance from the money they make from oil. Even the oil is extracted by american and european companies - these uncouth bedouins have no technical capabilities. And oil cannot be of any use if the west had not developed the technologies that require the use of this oil ,like automobiles, ships, airplanes, machineries,etc. What is islam and muslims' contribution in any of these things : it is practically NIL. These nuts and their fake prophet along with their bullshi of Quran, Hadiths, Sunnah or whatever is incapable of addressing anything relevant to modern times. It can only take you to brigandry, slave-trading, rapes,plunders , and the like. What more facts do you want? If you fail to see these facts , you are in a denial mode ( typical of any muslim blinded by his bigotry and jealousy that kufars have always been outdoing muslims in all good works, creative ,economic or philosophical or spiritual).

TO ALL EX-MUSLIMS
written by The Fog Horn , March 26, 2012

As an ex-Christian I believe the following article will be a tonic for you as it might well explain things for you. Please bare in mind the god of the Muslims is the same as the god of the Jews. The Christians believe of course in Jesus but if the god of the Jews can be proven false then unfortunately that also means Jesus was deluded and therefore not divine. He believed in the lake of fire, which the following article will reveal was a volcano's caldera.

http://tinyurl.com/7f3ctx8

Now please GOOGLE 'OH MY VOLCANO' and pass on the information because er have no time to waste.

Oh dear
written by Rzq , March 26, 2012

I miss duh the doe doe!
Come back swami all is forgiven!!!!!

ex muslim
written by safa , March 26, 2012

So I am an ex muslim. So i should be killed? Hahaha. Islam is piece of sht. Everyone knows that.

Thanks to Mr. Mirza.
written by Healer_999 , March 26, 2012

This post is comprehensive and leaves no room for any one to doubt Islamic anachronism 'death for apostasy'.

Again, my thanks and congratulations to Mr. Syed K. Mirza.

To Rzq,
written by Healer_999 , March 26, 2012

Swamy is civilized and humane unlike you.

Ex-muslim
written by Muslim and proud , March 26, 2012

I draw attention of the admin to report this barbarian and his associate "rzq" to authority of the country they live in, because they are justifying, and thereby inciting, murder of Muslim apostates.

You are not reading correctly.

Those who declare war against Islam are the one who run the risk of being put down.

Re: Foghorn
written by Gnostic , March 26, 2012

You are wrong from a gnostic viewpoint. According to gnosticism the god behind christ is different from Jahwe (aka Allah?) and not jealous at all nor violent against anybody. The gnostic god is almost invisible and was only visible in jesus christ. According to some gnostic teachings jesus did not die at the cross - it only looked so. This gnostic fundamental teaching was quoted by the quran and interpreted in a different manner like many things in the quran. Probably Muhammad had absolutely no idea of gnosticism and Allah is entirely different from the gnostic god.

While I use the pseudonym Gnostic I do not agree with all gnostic views. Gnosticism is - like many religions - a product of ancient times when people had no idea about modern science; however, I share some values of gnosticism such as tolerance and the disagreement with some views of the Old Testament and the quran.

Gnostics regarded Jahwe as a botcher and as a tyrant and many of these views might also apply to Allah. Accordingly, Adam and Eve were enslaved by this god and we all should look to find something better iike christ who really cares for the people.

All this might sound very strange for many readers and I agree. But even in ancient times there were some people who did not believe in the mainstream teachings with all the nonsense that only serves the needs of the rulers and some scribes. Gnosticism was shared by ancient intellectuals and liberals.

Vbv
written by Muslim and proud , March 26, 2012

You obviously have a deep rooted hatred against Arabs.

And oil cannot be of any use if the west had not developed the technologies that require the use of this oil ,like automobiles, ships, airplanes, machineries,etc. What is islam and muslims' contribution in any of these things : it is practically NIL. These nuts and their fake prophet along with their bullshi of Quran, Hadiths, Sunnah or whatever is incapable of addressing anything relevant to modern times. It can only take you to brigandry, slave-trading, rapes,plunders , and the like. What more facts do you want? If you fail to see these facts , you are in a denial mode ( typical of any muslim blinded by his bigotry and jealousy that kufars have always been outdoing muslims in all good works, creative ,economic or philosophical or spiritual).

There are two sides.........

Mark Graham’s book tells how Islam helped Europe to become part of modern world in terms of its progress, modernity.

http://www.goodreads.com/book/...dern_World

"This is the story of how Muslims taught Europe to live well and think clearly. It is the story of how Islam created the Modern World."

Flip the coin over - and be enlightened!!!

Gnostic
written by The Fog Horn , March 26, 2012

'Gnostics regarded Jahwe as a botcher and as a tyrant and many of these views might also apply to Allah. Accordingly, Adam and Eve were enslaved by this god and we all should look to find something better iike christ who really cares for the people.'

If gnostics failed to recognise Yahweh as a manmade volcano god then it doesn't say a lot about them does it?

Jesus believed in the lake of fire and threatened people with it but it is very clear the lake of fire was nothing other than the caldera of a volcano. He quite clearly did not have his facts right. He was obivously heading in the right direction.....atheism...but didn't go far enough.

Healer-999
written by Rzq , March 26, 2012

Swami is that you under a different name?
Welcome back buddy!
Start an argument for old time sake
:-)

M&P
written by Mozambique , March 26, 2012

"You are not reading correctly.

Those who declare war against Islam are the one who run the risk of being put down."

what do you mean by war M&P. Do you consider IW and ex muslims writing against allah mohamed quran on IW are at war with islam.
Do you think children killed by mohamed meerah were at war against islam. you are not good at lying.
i think you must be reported to authorities by editor asap before you will kill apostates.

Moz
written by Muslim and proud , March 27, 2012

"what do you mean by war M&P. Do you consider IW and ex muslims writing against allah mohamed quran on IW are at war with islam."

Absolutely

"Do you think children killed by mohamed meerah were at war against islam"

No

@ Fog Horn
written by Yibel , March 27, 2012

"Jesus believed in the lake of fire and threatened people with it..."

The "lake of fire" is only mentioned in Revelations (19:20, 20:10, 20:14, 20:15, and 21:8) were death and hell are cast into the "Lake of Fire" along with the beast (Islam) and the false prophet and his followers. It is a fire full of brimstone which is of their own making as they try to destroy civilization and the rest of mankind that have not joined their cult.

Yah'shua/Jesus never said anything about a"lake of fire" He did however warn the Jews that if they persisted in fighting the Roman Empire, the consequences would be Hell on Earth for them: horrible deaths, banishment from the Holy Land, destruction of the temple and their current way of life, captivity among the heathen - in other words, all the things that, for a Jew, would make him unpure, hence living without God, and in a hell on earth. Yah'shua referred to the prophesy of Daniel ch 2:36-45, when he told the people that they did not recognise the sign of their time - that Rome was the fourth kingdom, the kingdom of iron - and that they should not fight against it. They did not heed his words of warning, and the rest, as they say, is history.

To Rzq
written by Healer_999 , March 27, 2012

May be you can check with editor.

muslim and proud
written by vbv , March 27, 2012

There are a few islam-sympathisers who will go to any extent to ascribe all the good things to muslims. They may even say Einstein, Newton,Feynman, Steven Wienberger, or Carl Sagan as muslims defacto or inspired by muslims and their insane book called Quran. You also claim that muslims taught the west 'how to live well'. This is a sham and a big lie. Then , why they live so misewrably today ? Take Saudi Arabia ,except the roalty and the tribal chiefs and a handful of rich arabs ,the rest live miserably. There are beggars in Saudi Arabia, homeless blacks, slaves , mainly of african origins and labourers from the poor Asian countries are are no better than slaves. We have received many cases in India of men and women who went to these arab countries were treated in the most inhumane manner , not paid wages at all and their passports confiscated and retained by their employers - the arab scoundrels sums of quran - and it takes a lot of trouble by the Indian consulate to free them from this slavery. And you say that these arabs taught the europeans how to live well. This is a canard - a big lie ,typical of any muslim who always feel subservient to these bedouins that muslims in India even "marry" off their teenage daughters to old decrepit arabs - the ones who supposedly taught the europeans how to live well. And who were the 9/11 perpetrators ? All arabs. The ones who supposedly taught the europeans to live well. Some moral lessons indeed. That is why I call the non-arab muslims just arab arse-lickers .

@ The pearly boy and Arabs taught Europeans how to live well
written by Infidel and More Proud , March 27, 2012

Arabs telling europeans to live well is an oxymoron.

In arab countries:_
Why are they not living well now if they know how to live well?
Why is there so much bloodshed?
Why is there extrme abuse of human rights?
Why is modern day slavery still present?

When arabs are so glorius why is that not evident.

I remember a photograph from Qatar where an Arab took a pail of water to feed the first plane that landed in Qatar. He thought it was a flying camel so needed to top up his hump.
And the irony is even Mo does not treat all Muslims as equal. See the catagorisation in the seven heavens.

Infidell
written by Rzq , March 27, 2012

Read these words carefully!!!
"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves."

infidel
written by fineliving56 , March 27, 2012

Yes, Mohammad and his Allah[ As you know and we all know except the Muslims zombies ] does NOT treat people equally and the prove is in the meat … I mean in their Quran .

Surit Al Nahil [ bees ] 16 in 76/78

'' And Allah brings forward [ another] case of two men, one of them *dumb , with no power of any type, he is a tiresome burden on his master wherever he [ master] directs him [ the dumb one] , he brings no good, *IS SUCH A MAN EQUAL TO ONE WHO ACTS JUSTLY, AND ON THE STRAIGHT PATH

How MANY wrongs in this statement from Allah ….let us see

So …

if a person is dumb, he is not, also, able to go in a straight path ?

BTW

Who created these dumb people in the first place any way … isn't Allah IT self …

Do I detect a problem of self identification in Allah words ? …Allah seems to criticize his own creation where they have no fault of being dumb… lol

So …

A person who is dump, he is ,also, is not be able to act justly ?

as we can see ….

according To Allah/ Muhammad of Islam … people are not equal … far from it … and the proof is in black and white in Quran …

If Allah the God of Islam[ supposedly] have no concept of equality and justice what hope do we have for better behavior from regular Muslim !?

I do not have hope for Muslims … unless they bury Quran where it does not see light of a day … so Muslims remember their humanity and goodness they have in their hearts like every other humen being.

Rzq
written by Infidel No.1 , March 27, 2012

Read these words carefully!!! "All mankind is..... "

Will you please tell us from where you have quoted this? Is it from quran or from Sahi Bukhari ahadith or Sahi Muslim ahadith?

I am curious to know.

@RZQ and "after much careful reading"
written by Infidel and More Proud , March 27, 2012

"Read these words carefully!!! . Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves."

So they are equal withing one sect out of 73 or all are equal?
On this site I saw some of you calling kadiyanis AKA ahmedis Laaantis.
Are bahais , shias, alwalites--till rest of 73 all equal ?
AHA Mo said only one sect will go to heaven.. Which one?
It seems Allah or Mo slipped here isnt it?

Infidel
written by Rzq , March 27, 2012

The are words from the last sermon of the last prophet muhammed(pbuh)
The speech is too long to post here. Below is a link at where you can read it!

http://www.islamicity.com/articles/Articles.asp?ref=ic0107-322

M&P
written by Mozambique , March 27, 2012

"what do you mean by war M&P. Do you consider IW and ex muslims writing against allah mohamed quran on IW are at war with islam."

Absolutely "

so what is your action plan to fight and put down IW and apostates M&P..to start with you can shoot your laptop.

hahhahahaha

Moz
written by Rzq , March 27, 2012

Move on sunshine!!
Whaaaa whaaaa whaaaa!
Get back to crying to the editor!
Let us know when your nuts drop!!!

Fineliving666
written by Muslim and proud , March 27, 2012

according To Allah/ Muhammad of Islam … people are not equal … far from it … and the proof is in black and white in Quran …

People are not equal as their good deeds and their bad deeds are not equal..........even a 6 year old muslim understands that..........

LOL

M&P/ RZQ
written by Mozambique , March 27, 2012

i think M&P is on maternity leave..so Bro RZQ is on duty to cover up..lol

hahahahahaa

M and p
written by Rzq , March 27, 2012

Salams bro!
"People are not equal as their good deeds and their bad deeds are not equal..........even a 6 year old muslim understands that.."

Not when you have an IQ of -6.

No ….Not acceptable
written by Fineliving56 , March 27, 2012

Quran 16 / 76 … was not talking about good deads or bad deeds … it is only saying in that Aya a dumb slave who is owned [ wihich islam Allows ] are not as equal as who are not …

No excuse for the sorry excuse for a man Muhammad to say such an unfair things in his unfair book Quran …

Here I am criticizing Muhammad the thug … I hope Muslims here are getting used it by now … it never going to stop …

Muslim minds on display and exposed here for all readers to see …

Fineliving666
written by Muslim and proud , March 27, 2012

Muslim minds on display and exposed here for all readers to see …

Actually, it's the foolish non-muslim minds that are on display......

Quran 16 / 76 … was not talking about good deads or bad deeds … it is only saying in that Aya a dumb slave who is owned [ wihich islam Allows ] are not as equal as who are not …

In a company, is a cleaner equal to the Director????

Does the cleaner receive multi-million pound bonus?
Does the cleaner receive a company car?
Does the cleaner have a PA?
Does the cleaner have the same pay?
What the cleaner DOES have, is a lot LESS responsibility

Don't talk stupid - how can the 2 be equal Gran?

Can a deaf and dumb person apply for a job with Air Traffic Control? PMSL

Is your IQ equal to a 6 year old child = YES....

Ps
written by Muslim and proud , March 27, 2012

Rzq - Salaam Bro - hope you're well our kid.

God Gifted Humans
written by Mozambique , March 27, 2012

"People are not equal as their good deeds and their bad deeds are not equal..........even a 6 year old muslim understands that.........."

absolute sh**t. a black is not equal to white..a tall is not equal to small..a handicapped is not equal to normal..a dumb (m&p/ rzq) is not equal to intelligent. many humans are born with god gifted qualities. a philipino cannot be compared to american in phisique similarly an afghan (m&P) cannot be compared to a civilized european.

some are beautiful others are ugly..god creates beautiful and god creates ugly..denying the reality is ignorance.
Time to get real M&P and RZQ. Arabs were never attractive and intelligent and never would be..who to be blamed..only allah

Moz
written by Muslim and proud , March 27, 2012

"some are beautiful (M&P and Rzq) others are ugly (Moz and Fineliving)..god creates beautiful and god creates ugly..denying the reality is ignorance."

Moz - It's time to get real sunshine:

Time to get real M&P and RZQ. Arabs were never attractive and intelligent and never would be..who to be blamed..only allah

It's the beautiful deeds that count. An ugly man (Moz for example) may have ugly deeds. On the other hand a muslim who is not good looking may have the best deeds and a beautiful muslim may not have good deeds. The deeds are what count.

Ps
written by Muslim and proud , March 27, 2012

a black is not equal to white..a tall is not equal to small..a handicapped is not equal to normal..

Well done for refuting Fineliving666

Another Aya to show non equality in Quran
written by fineliving56 , March 27, 2012

Q al Isra'e 7/ 20

''See how we [ Allah ] favored some of you more then others, and we will favor you in bigger way in the here after

Muhammad the thug was trying to play on people's vanity to show them they are favored by his imagery Allah to get people to fight with him and give him financial help in his pursuit after power and richness.

The thug Muhammad perfected the art of thuggery

Message for Yabil
written by The Fog Horn , March 27, 2012

Jesus described hell as...

"And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." Matthew 13:42

'"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels." Matthew 25:41

'And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.' Matthew 25:30

'And if thy right eye causeth thee to stumble, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not thy whole body be cast into hell fire.' Matthew 5:29

'And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched." Mark 9:43

'44 where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.' Mark 9:44

Luke 16:19 - 31 The story of the rich man and Lazarus.

....................

It certainly looks to me like Jesus did believe in the lake of fire.

Yabil...please tell me....what do you believe is 'brimstone' and where do you believe it comes from?

1- Proof Allah is not all knowing and is Mo creation (Allah does not know Mo is Illitrate)
written by Infidel and More Proud , March 27, 2012

Bukhari
Volume 9, Book 87, Number 111:
Narrated ‘Aisha:
The angel came to him in it and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, “I do not know how to read.” (The Prophet added), “The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and again asked me to read, and I replied, “I do not know how to read,” whereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and asked me again to read, but again I replied, “I do not know how to read (or, what shall I read?).” Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me and then released me and said, “Read: In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists). Has created man from a clot. Read and Your Lord is Most Generous…up to….. ..that which he knew not.” (96.15)

1) The start of Islam
a) Why would an all-knowing deity ask an illiterate man to read?
b) Why does the spirit tell us that man was created from blood clots when it’s not true?
c) If this spirit “taught by the pen what men did not know,” where are those words?
d) And why digress to an oral recital when written testimony is superior?
e) Why gloat, saying he’s generous – in what way and to whom?
f) But the real question is: if this spirit “taught by the pen what men did not know,” where are those words?

2- Proof Mo is not the prophet (He is suicidal) upon Waraqa death
written by Infidel and More Proud , March 27, 2012

When Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while and the Prophet became so sad as we have heard that he intended several times to throw himself from the tops of high mountains and every time he went up the top of a mountain in order to throw himself down, Gabriel would appear before him and say, “O Muhammad! You are indeed Allah’s Apostle in truth” whereupon his heart would become quiet and he would calm down and would return home.

Why was Mohammad suicidal?
a) When someone dies, do thoughts of suicide normally overtake someone?
b) Does this preclude Mohammad from being a prophet, because no prophet before was ever suicidal?
c) How many times did Gabriel go to Mohammad to tell him he was Allah’s messenger?
d) Does the fact that Gabriel had to tell Mohammad more than 1 time he was Allah’s messenger mean that Gabriel was not very convincing?
e) Or that Mohammad did not believe a spirit who nearly crushed the life out of him, and asked him (an illiterate man to read)?

Isnt death inevitable?
Why would a prophet be suicidal?

Rzq and last sermon of Muhammed
written by Infidel No. 1 , March 27, 2012

I read the IslamiCity article of farewell sermon of Muhammed with interest. Without any doubt, I can say that it is a concoction. Muslim sites have no scruples in spreading lies about Muhammed. I don't remember having read any last sermon from Muhammed in his biographies. On his deathbed he spoke about some things about the Umma and expressed his wish of seeing Arabia bereft of a single Jew or christian. So much so for his tolerance of other faiths. He had never spoken of the equality between Arabs and non- Arabs. In fact, he always bragged about the superiority of Arabs over other people and the importance of Arabic over other languages. This is the fact. His equanimity in saying that a white has no superiority over a black and vice versa is a laughing matter. Because, the blacks he had known were all from Africa and they were all slaves in Arabia. It is highly far fetched to believe that he advocated equality between masters and slaves. A person who had taken maximum advantage of the system known as slavery, being a master himself and also as being a slave trader in the market, spoke of equality between masters and slaves is something really laughable! Another thing is that compared to the blacks, no Arabian had ever claimed that he is a white. The whites are actually Europeans and Muhammed never had known any European in his whole life. So the usage 'white' coming from his mouth is highly suspect.

The brain dead muslim zombies tend to swallow whatever lies and concoctions they read in the muslim sites and unashamedly vomit it wherever they can in a bid to deceive the gullible. How pathetic!

No compulsion
written by Malem , March 27, 2012

Article is based on errors, there is no compulsion in Islam

Malem
written by Kafirwala , March 27, 2012

There is no compulsion in Islam.

Is it Mr. Malem?

If so, please explain the verses quoted below.

Quran 3:85 - And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.

Quran 9:29 - Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

Quran 9:33 - He it is Who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth, that He might cause it to prevail over all religions, though the polytheists may be averse.

Will you, please?

kafirwala...re: malem and comulsion in islam.
written by Amboyduke , March 27, 2012

"If so, please explain the verses quoted below.....
...Will you, please?"

He won't, and niether will any of the others.

M&P Keep Juggling
written by Mozambique , March 27, 2012

"it's the beautiful deeds that count. An ugly man (Moz for example) may have ugly deeds. On the other hand a muslim who is not good looking may have the best deeds and a beautiful muslim may not have good deeds. The deeds are what count."

M&P Wrong again!!

why cant good looking handsome and rich (including muslim) have good deeds??

lets say a good looking handsome tall and rich man has also done good deeds and is approved for jannah.

Also a poor ugly has also done good deeds and is approved for jannah.

but why poor had a miserable life on earth and rich had a wonderful life and now both are going to jannah.

or you believe that only ugly and poor will go to jannah?

dont you think a poor and ugly has a right to ask allah why he was poor and ugly on earth??

On the same note can you answer why hundreds of thousands of poor die (mostly muslims) before the age of 5 for not having clean water and food?? allah do not like poor and ugly and their deeds??

why hundreds of thousands of poor die in earthquackes and other disasters?? allah do not like poor and ugly??

Keep juggling M&P....lol

M&P
written by Mozambique , March 27, 2012

It's the beautiful deeds that count. An ugly man (Moz for example) may have ugly deeds. On the other hand a muslim who is not good looking may have the best deeds and a beautiful muslim may not have good deeds. The deeds are what count."

why you believe good looking handsome and RICH (including muslims) cannot have good deeds??

lets say a good looking handsome and rich muslim has good deeds and is approved for jan*nah.

also a poor and ugly muslim has ALSO good deeds and approved for jan*nah.

but WHY poor muslim had miserable life on earth and rich was granted wonderful life on earth??

poor muslim has the right to ask allah?? right!

On the same note Why hundreds of thousands of POOR muslims die every year for not having clean water and food??

Why hundreds of thousands only POOR muslims die in earthquackes and disasters??

looks like allah do not like poor regardless of their deeds.

M&P
written by Mozambique , March 27, 2012

"Well done for refuting Fineliving666"

i am not refuting or validating anyone these are my personal views??

i believe whites are most intelligent, confident and attractive human species, than colored humans and than black humans. and this is the reality i see on the globe considering achievements of the three.

also when god (if there is one) creates an ugly human in a poor family he (god) knows that this guy or girl is most likely to have miserable life regards of his or her DEEDS.

similarly when a god creates a beautiful human in a rich family he knows that this guy or girl will be most likely having a wonderful life regardless of his or her DEEDS.

Amboyduke
written by Kafirwala , March 27, 2012

Let us see what Malem or anyone of his butt scratching cronies has got to say about those blatantly intolerant, inhuman verses in the Quran. It has been a regular practice with Malem to appear in this site with the bullshit of no compulsion verse every now and then. He simply ignores the fact that his meccan bs verse no compulsion had been abrogated by the above violent medinian verses. It is time he stopped this falsified facade. I am eagerly waiting for his reaction.

M&P
written by Mozambique , March 27, 2012

when hundreds of thousands of poor muslims dying of hunger and no water..don't you think allah should help them to survive and bring them a better life rather than KILLING THEM.

would you call this DEED a GOOD DEED of allah?

when allah kills hundreds of thousands of poor muslims in earthquackes and floods etc..Isn't allah a MURDERER.

Once again M&P! GET REAL

Infidull 1
written by Rzq , March 28, 2012

Oh daddy sina never mentioned the last sermon. Better check with spencer then?
Ignoramus!

Infidull the retarded no 1
written by Rzq , March 28, 2012

The Farewell Sermon (Arabic: خطبة الوداع‎, Khuṭbatu l-Wadā), also known as Muhammad's Final Sermon or The Last Sermon, was delivered by Muhammad on the 9th of Dhu al-Hijjah, 10 AH (9th March 632) in the Uranah valley of Mount Arafat.[1]

The Farewell Sermon is mentioned in almost all books of Hadith.[citation needed]Sahih Al-Bukhari refers to the sermon and quotes part of it.[citation needed]Ahmad ibn Hanbal gave the longest version of this sermon in his Musnad.[citation needed]

Infidull?
written by Rzq , March 28, 2012

Are your parents brother and sister for you to turn out so thick?

Eugenics moz
written by Rzq , March 28, 2012

"i believe whites are most intelligent, confident and attractive human species, than colored humans and than black humans. and this is the reality i see on the globe considering achievements of the three"

That right there is just plain dumb!

Moz
written by Muslim and proud , March 28, 2012

Moz

Without the handsome rich people, the poor would not receive any charity. Without the poor people, the handsome rich people would not be able to spend in the way of charity.

but WHY poor muslim had miserable life on earth and rich was granted wonderful life on earth??

The poor muslim remained steadfast and did not forget Islam in pursuit of wealth. The rich man remained steadfast and did not forget Islam in pursuit of materialistic things. This is basic stuff.......

dont you think a poor and ugly has a right to ask allah why he was poor and ugly on earth??

Not at all. The poor muslim would be grateful for WHAT HE HAD as opposed to being concerned about WHAT HE DID NOT HAVE.

On the same note Why hundreds of thousands of POOR muslims die every year for not having clean water and food??

(2:155) We will surely put you to trial by involving you in fear and hunger and by causing loss of property, life and earnings. And give good tidings to those who remain steadfast in these trials:

(2:156) when a misfortune comes to them, they say, "We are Allah's and we shall certainly return to Him,''

(2:157) Their Lord will bestow great blessings and mercy upon them; such are the people who are rightly guided.

Why hundreds of thousands only POOR muslims die in earthquackes and disasters??

Please refer to 2:155-157 above.

Kafirwala
written by Muslim and proud , March 28, 2012

If so, please explain the verses quoted below.

These verses have been explained a million times (across the Internet) - your refusal to understand cannot be helped by muslims.

Quran 3:85 - And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.

Islam = the tru path. Simple as that.

Quran 9:29 - Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

Pay attention: "Until they pay the tax in acknowledgement of superiority"

Refusal to pay Jiyah = the use of force to collect Jizyah.

Quran 9:33 - He it is Who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth, that He might cause it to prevail over all religions, though the polytheists may be averse.

Islam = religion of truth. Allah (the exalted) sent Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) with the religion of truth. It was likely that the polytheists would be averse to the religion of truth.

RZQ
written by Mozambique , March 28, 2012

"i believe whites are most intelligent, confident and attractive human species, than colored humans and than black humans. and this is the reality i see on the globe considering achievements of the three"

That right there is just plain dumb!"

you have to prove it otherwise pearly boy before going phsyco

M&P
written by Mozambique , March 28, 2012

(2:155) We will surely put you to trial by involving you in fear and hunger and by causing loss of property, life and earnings. And give good tidings to those who remain steadfast in these trials:

(2:156) when a misfortune comes to them, they say, "We are Allah's and we shall certainly return to Him,''

(2:157) Their Lord will bestow great blessings and mercy upon them; such are the people who are rightly
guided"

Typical Mullah Babbling without even thinking


so allah will kill humans for the trial of other humans what a joke???????

i asked what is the fault of muslims whom allah killed???

Understand or not Mullah M&P

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written by vbv , March 28, 2012

Who are the real losers ? Muslims ,ofcourse. And very sore losers at that. They are the least intelligent, least educated, most superstitious , most gullible with a nonexisting spook ( just the fake prophet's alter ego , Allah the pagan arab deity usurping the throne of the jewish spook Yahweh). What do they offer ? False promises in the socalled 'hereafter' : a super brothel with 72 whores and 28 pearly boys for each muslim man ,while muslim women get the same old husband or the "Hellfire". Such bullshits are the offerings by Allah. Only losers who cannot achieve anything in this world by honesty, industry and humane and spiritual values can live on such vulgar ,cheap bullshit promises.Muslims have nothing to show except destruction and turmoil. Take any muslim country ,it stands out. Like Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan,Iraq,Iran, Pakistan, Nigeria, Libya ,Egypt, Indonesia,Bangladesh, Maldives,Sudan, Somalia,Syria, Jordan,Lebanon,Morrocco, Tunisia,etc.All backward oppressive,regressive regimes that are hellholes of intolerance and mierable existence.

Allah does not stand for peace, progress and enlightenment,far from truth, but lies , bullshits and misery , as borne out by the various islamic countries or muslim majority nations.

Moz
written by Muslim and proud , March 28, 2012

i asked what is the fault of muslims whom allah killed???

Some of them could be at fault for deliberately disobeying Islam and causing mischief.

Some of them will be innocent who will be tested and will remain steadfast as per the Holy Qur'an.

Let me put it in lamens terms for you:

A person strives to find a job but cannot do so - he remains poor yet remains honest and continues to strive.

A person does not have the "aspiration" to find a job and chooses the life of crime......the life of crime leads to jail.

Who is at fault?

M&P
written by Mozambique , March 28, 2012

i cant believe it M&P you guys believe in a god allah who will kill innocent humans (thousands children killed for no water and food below 5 years who even do not know what is good and what is bad ) for the sake of TRIAL of others.

allah will kill thousand of innocents muslims in earthquackes and floods for the sake of TRIAL of others.

Please do not teach this non*sense to me

this is too much man honestly i dont feel like talking to you guys no doubt killing is in your blood.

M & P
written by Kafirwala , March 28, 2012

Yes. I understand your explanation perfectly well. ( In fact, not only me, all kuffar and ex- muslims in this site knew it well. That is why, we mock Islam, we spit at Islam and we carry contemptuous hatred towards this demonic cult). The only person who does not seem to understand it is Malem, the fool. Parrot like he repeats the fallacy that there is no compulsion in Islam, probably because he thinks that he can fool the non- muslims visiting this site. While scratching his bum, you please convince him how mistaken he is. Will you?

Moz
written by Muslim and proud , March 28, 2012

i cant believe it M&P you guys believe in a god allah who will kill innocent humans (thousands children killed for no water and food below 5 years who even do not know what is good and what is bad ) for the sake of TRIAL of others.

Everyone is guaranteed to die - it's just a matter of when and how.

Please do not teach this non*sense to me

this is too much man honestly i dont feel like talking to you guys no doubt killing is in your blood.

You asked the questions.......and killing is not in our blood.

Kafirwala
written by Muslim and proud , March 28, 2012

Yes. I understand your explanation perfectly well. ( In fact, not only me, all kuffar and ex- muslims in this site knew it well. That is why, we mock Islam, we spit at Islam and we carry contemptuous hatred towards this demonic cult).

Ok, so all 20 of you understand that if Jizah is not paid, force must be used.

All 20 of you carry "contemptuous" hatred - ok, no problem. Thanks for confirming.

Correction
written by Muslim and proud , March 28, 2012

Jiyah and not Jizah....

Not having a good day with the keyboard - 3rd time lucky
written by Muslim and proud , March 28, 2012

JIZYAH

If Jizyah is not paid, force must be used. If Jizyah is paid, protection is given to the people paying the Jizyah.

M&P
written by Mozambique , March 28, 2012

"Everyone is guaranteed to die - it's just a matter of when and how."

so WHO KILLS does not matter for you?

have you lost your senses completely M&P in the love of allah the killer the murderer of innocent.

every one has to die so there should be no courts no justice no punishment??

for a human who kills there is a punishment and when allah kills????

Are you real M&P or islam has ceased your brain. come out of islam and i gaurantee you will start valuing human life.

Mozambique
written by fineliving56 , March 28, 2012

You say white people are more beautiful and achieved a lot more then darker skined people …!!!?

many books was written on the reasons for it ... there is not enough place to even to begin to give it proper explanation … let us let this go …

Let us say …. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO with the pigmentation of color of the skin … it is not skin deep

skin color has nothing to do with anything …

What I was trying to convoy is …

A God like Allah [ supposedly ] who created us would NOT discriminate in IT'S book between us …..IF … AND THAT IS A BIG IF …. Allah is a true God ….

Would a mother …..tell one child who is beautiful and finish homework on time .. '' I love you the most because you are beautiful and hard worker …. and tells another child of hers who is homely and does not do his or her homework …. '' I hate you because you are Ugly and lazy''
No of course not … We would call a mother like that ….a sorry excuse of a mother

The Love of a mother should be an unconditional love … just like, how a love of a creator should be … surely there should be tough love to improve the lazy child work habits for his own good … but still … it is called love … it should be done in a loving way …

not discount him or her as less then a humen being … that is absolutely wrong .

Just like An Allah … who would say such things in his book like in Q !6/ !7 …. We would call a God lke that …….a sorry excuse of A GOD

Coming out of a mother who raised 4 wonder children … never differentiate between boys and girls like Muslim usually do … encourage all of what THEY wanted to do … not what I wanted them to do in their life …

I taught them right from wrong … and without the knowledge what in Quran … in anther word …. without knowing the threat from Jamanam Fire if they were wrong doers

Fineliving56
written by Mozambique , March 28, 2012

Dear Fineliving i am a very realistic person...

We humans tend to like things and we tend to dislike things although both are gods or natures creation. Lets say a ROSE(flower) is generally liked more by humans over the other flowers. Why? simply because rose is more beautiful than other flowers. Would you call it discrimination towards other flowers??

Similarly among humans some are born beautiful others are born just normal or ugly. some are born intelligent others are not. some are strong others are not. some are sexy others are not. etc etc.

if i praise a girl for her beauty am i discriminating toward other girls who are not beautiful??

if i praise a person for his intelligence am i discriminating toward less intelligent??

You may not discriminate between your kids openly but inside you know the difference and you may not react for other kids (not yours) in a similar manner.

similarly skin matters..everyone likes fair and white skin..how?

you will see generally fair and white skin people taking more care of themselves in respect of cleanliness, clothing, styles, fashion etc as compared to colored and dark skin people.

generally colored people looking for a fair skin spouse.

skin whitening creams and products sold in among colored and dark skin people.

So the point is WHO makes some people beautiful others ordinary or ugly.

Who makes some people more intelligent and others less intelligent or dumb.

etc etc. For a believer it has to be GOD. Therefore God is the one who actually Discriminates among his own creations and God is the one who has given us sense of liking and disliking things.

Therefore please look again over the globe you will find white humans most progressive and developed, black humans least progressive and developed and colored humans in between the two.

So what is wrong in my calculation?? Please let me know.

Fineliving666
written by Muslim and proud , March 28, 2012

without knowing the threat from Jamanam Fire if they were wrong doers

There is no end to your comedy........Jamanam? You were never a muslim in the first place. Your just a twisted kafir......

1 @ Fine and the famous Muslim Women,
written by Infidel and More Proud , March 28, 2012

At least you will not go to hell.

Tabari IX:113

“Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur’an.”



Tabari I:280

“Allah said, ‘It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.’ Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid.”



Qur’an 4:3

“If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with orphans, marry women of your choice who seem good to you, two or three or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to do justice (to so many), then only one, or (a slave) that you possess, that will be more suitable. And give the women their dower as a free gift; but if they, of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, eat it with enjoyment, take it with right good cheer and absorb it (in your wealth).”

Mozambique
written by fineliving56 , March 29, 2012

Hello …

your post made me a little sad for the sake of all the people who are not beautiful [ no one had the choice to choose their looks … no one ]

I had a school mate in all girl school in 9th grade, whom had a leg shorter then the other by a foot.. she wore this long shoes to walk without the severe limp .
I sow her set alone in the back of our class room away from every girl and silent all the time … I was a little poplar due to my drawing ability I drew most of my girlfriend and gave it to them ….so I took the opportunity and I asked her if she wants me to draw her [ trying to get her out of her shell …I asked other girls to try to get her to let me do it … they said : why would you want to … look at her .. she is but a cripple !! …

I remember ….That made me angry enough to get up and go and set next to her and asked her if she could be my friend and …. if I could set with her from now on in the same desk … she agreed in surprised look in her face …

I discovered this girl has a heart of gold , smart and so funny … she opened her heart to me and she became my best friend... for long time after I left I kept visiting her when i visit home … I was ignored by my other poplar girlfriends after I befriended that wonderful girl .

MY frined story as you see shows ….even when a person is not born beautiful which was never his of her choice any way, could have a far better and MORE IMPORTANT humen quality then looks ….

People with looks some times hide a very conceded self …….

A Handsome men who is a women beater becomes ugly in the eyes of the women who he beats .
I understand your post … you are stating it, as it is … people cannot help to be drown to beauty and I get that …. but we CAN help except people as they were born .. and judge them on what they DO with their lives not on what they were born with which they never asked for in the first place

A flower has no feeling to be hurt when rejected … a humen being, does ….

Fineliving
written by Mozambique , March 29, 2012

Dear Fineliving

"your post made me a little sad for the sake of all the people who are not beautiful [ no one had the choice to choose their looks … no one ] "

Please don't be sad. i never blamed humans for their defective natural attributes. i blamed god for that.

similarly for your friend for having physical disability i would blame god.

"A flower has no feeling to be hurt when rejected … a humen being, does …."

1. Just imagine if flowers had feelings?

2. Being human our feelings are also hurt all the time. lets say you have one vacancy to employ a person in your company and you get two candidates. you will take one and refuse the other one so you are hurting his feelings BUT you cannot blame yourself for that!!

"but we CAN help except people as they were born .. and judge them on what they DO with their lives not on what they were born with which they never asked for in the first place."

if we could help why hundreds of thousands of humans die every year of hunger and malnutrition (and why most of them are blacks) earthquackes, floods, sunami, tornados etc etc??

Have you heard white humans dying of hunger and malnutrition??

Have you heard rich people dying of natural disasters??

god create poor in abundance and god kill poor in abundance. so we have to blame god (in case you believe in one) for his actions.

Fineliving56
written by Kafirwala , March 29, 2012

Dear Fineliving, your above post has touched my heart. I felt as if you have opened some doors in my inner heart and a fresh cool breeze has swept past me...
It was really great that you befriended the lonely girl whom everybody called a cripple. Not only you made friends with her, you visited her house and made her your close friend. In the process you discovered that she had got a heart of gold. Actually you also have got a heart of gold. That is why, you were able to identify and acknowledge her qualities. I am a person who believes in God Almighty. Not the demonic, wicked, highly cruel and partisan Allah who judges people according to whether they are his believers or not, but the real compassionate, loving God who judges people according to their deeds and not according to their faith. I think that God will certainly notice your heart of gold and will grant you more than anything, peace of mind and perseverance in the face of any adversity.

Mozambique
written by Fineliving56 , March 29, 2012

Believe me I went through the same process, you are going through, when my mind weeded out Islam from the vile poison I was fed with no return …

The injustice of our lives [ hunger caused by dry impotent land … sicknesses … people with 2 heads … attached people that have to live in so much pain ] only made sense and excepted with no grudge …. when I no longer beleive in any MAN MADE religions after I discovered the injustices of this life and no God worth praying would do all harmful thing that we have here on this earth … no logical mind would except it as truth.

Life have wonderful things as we all know …. Which to me is what makes me… keep living ….

When I knew religion was not true fact and did not came from A God that worth praying to and waist my little time I have on this earth … I started to question the wisdom of believing in A God all together ….

I am still at this stage … I am still clinging to the idea of something out there …who is as it is proven time and time again … can not help us with anything … if ITS life, depended on it … )

I do not call it a God … I call it my *conscious *… my conscious allows me to do the things I do … If I do not have conscious I do not have a God [ I have to use that term because there is such other to use] …..

I let my self down and everyone around me when I live without my conscious to let me know right from wrong ….and without living my life with the golden rule in my mind ….

I do not believe in the after life … Not like it is described in Quran any way …. Only flawed humen brain would thing of such sick things …

A man or women kills a humen being … His or her conscious nags …. the result is pay with time and money to make things right for family …. pay the consequences of his or her actions in this life is the ultimate lessen …

let people pay for crimes in the after life is shifting responsibility on to others … like God.

Humens are still in the proses of learning and discovering … We have to consecrate on helping eash other in this harch and unfair life we never chose ….instead of trying to kill eash other because for stupid ideas born out of ignorance minds

Like the idea …. one man { Muhammad and all other [b [ man ] prophets went in to a cave and came out with a new religion and said * this is your God* … with no witnesses … )

I am in peace now because I left Islam … Only the killing of Muslims and non Muslims in the name of Muhammad … nags my conscious …so I try do something about it … and that is why I am here

I hope for peace to you and all of us … Muslims included …. they need the most!

Kafiwalla
written by fineliving56 , March 29, 2012

Your post tell on a person, who is made out of goodness at it finest … thank you … your post brought tears to my eyes [ that is not storage .. I cry for everything…:).. ]

I do not have any bad feeling against Christianity and Christians because they have not been killing in the name of their prophet or because of their religion .. in fact they do the opposite they express love for humen even when they are trying to kill their people … which that is beyond Muslims's understanding …

I respect people who say …. I hate Islam but not Muslims … that what I love about Christians … I have many friends who accept me as I am when no judgment or relentless invitation to be a Christian …

Sad to say my best friend ... I lost her after she moved a way years back … but her memory always with me … she was the one person I told everything that happen to me in my life even the worst … she kept my secrets with firm guard … I hope she is happy.

mistake
written by fineliving56 , March 29, 2012

I meant to say … strange … not … storage … haha

sorry

@Fine
written by Infidel and More Proud , March 29, 2012

You have truly a "heart of Gold"

mistake
written by Kafirwala , March 29, 2012

Dear Fineliving,

Even without your reappearance with correction, we i.e the sane people on this blog know that you used the term 'storage' for strange. To be frank, that is not the only mistake in your post. I am quoting it below.

You used then for than
sow for saw
set for sit
poplar for popular
humen for human
conceded for conceited
A handsome men who is a women beater for a handsome man for a woman beater
drown for drawn
except for accept
humen being for human being

May be there is one or two more. It is true that in your posts you are making this kind of small mistakes in English. We are now accustomed to it. We know the reason too. Because, you were born and brought up in a muslim household. We know that it is an anathema for muslims to give their girl children education, let alone English education. It is your misfortune that you were born in a muslim household. Believe me, whatever you write we can follow perfectly well. We don't need an errata. In spite of this handicap and similar impediments, you amassed so much courage to assimilate and analyse things properly in the backdrop of your experiences in life and boldly put it in a blog like this without favour or fear is no small achievement. It is a great achievement worthy of praise and emulation. But, of course, there are brain dead zombies and hooligans who look for only sh*t in everything. They may magnify these mistakes and may laugh at you. I remember having seen one such fool recently took your oft- repeated usage 'topical' (for typical, another your favourite term is languish for language) as tropical and wrote some bullsh*t about it. ( Probably the idiot does not know that topical means regarding topic and tropic is something entirely different). We are living among such hooligans.

So, my request to you is write in your natural style and ignore these idiotic imbeciles. They can only be compared to the stray street dogs barking at the rising moon.

@ Fine and Kafir
written by Infidel and More Proud , March 29, 2012

Actually they are not able to refute, challenge or answer anything so all they do is call grapes sour by find trivial faults with her english. If she writes in Arabic they will run like dogs whimpering with tails buried deep.
They are cowards at best and they know otherwise. As if english is their first language. Allah doesnt understand english either so they better start polishing their arabic for houris will not converse in english :)

Kafirwala
written by Muslim and proud , March 29, 2012

Even without your reappearance with correction, we i.e the sane people on this blog know that you used the term 'storage' for strange.

So you are all a bunch of loons?

To be frank, that is not the only mistake in your post.

Indeed - within all the mistakes, there is a post somewhere......

Infidel
written by Malem , March 29, 2012

Allah presented the Quran via Jibriel to Mohammed in Arabic, that was his native language, would you expect him to converse in Chinese? Allah understands all, there is no language first or second for him. Who is whimpering M&P was simply pointing out to some blantant errors, which in fact make it hard to understand the meaning behind what is being said. All that needed to be refuted has been, all that needed to be challenged was challenged. It is you and people like you who just regurgitate the same falshoods over and over expecting a different result, that just doesnt happen.

Kafirwala
written by fineliving56 , March 29, 2012

Haha

Now I look to my mistake as you line them up and I cringe … but I am glad you guys are able to put 2 and 2 together and make out my post … haha

When I have more time to write I correct some of the mistakes … the problem is, like I said before … I write here unseen by members of my family … due to the problems I faced when it was discovered I read and write in IW … Once my lab top disappeared by one of them …. but I searched long and hard I got it back.

I write when I get to be alone and that is not much time to write and correct …

Thank you for your encouraging post and your defiance of me … it means a lot .

Now in Arabic … I am good enough to write poetry … The books I read in my language are countless … I feel that is why I was held back in English because I keep reading arabic books side by side with English books … There is not one word In Quran I do not know the meaning of … and To prefect the Arabic of Quran is no small thing …

I know Muslim here make fun of me … but that is OK … I forgive them … I hope they take a hint and act like good humen beings like they should be act … I am embarrassed for them … they do not realize how childish they are acting …. I am hoping that is only because they are young and immature and that all will change when they do

Now My accent in English … I hate the most …

American people say they understand me perfectly … and they say they like my accent …

I say jokingly …" You can have it … can I make a trade with their American accent " … haha

Malam
written by Fineliving56 , March 29, 2012

You did not refute anything so far …. Telling yourself that you did … does not make it true.

Here is one …

Why would Allah promise *premenstrual girls* * Lam Yatmothnah* to Muslim men in Jannat al naeem Q / 55/ 74 ? … Is that a right thing to do …

You should declare refute, when it happens … otherwise you know how it you look …

When I asked that question of you before … you are no where to be found.

And please … saying "" that is how Allah wants "' … it is not a refute … because you are talking to people who do not believe Quran is came from any God

You have to do better then that

So go a head and refute what I said … please

Allah, the pedophile!
written by Kafirwala , March 29, 2012

Dear Fineliving,

I know your words are coming from your heart. It is so pure and sincere. Any human being with a heart cannot but notice it. Arabic is so prevalent in you, that is why your accent is like that and you write according to the way you pronounce the words. Any tom, dick and harry can make it out, except the zombies. However, sometimes your usage of words makes me laugh also. For example, in the present one you have used lab top (laptop) and defiance (defense) and reading it, I really enjoyed the humour in it. Anyway, please don't feel shy about the spelling mistakes and you go ahead with your usual style. You have got so many things to convey and relate from your bitter and pleasant past life experiences and your present living circumstances. Many of them are real pearls and we are eager to hear it too. Not only that, your deep knowledge of Arabic and Quran is a great asset in your hands and you can easily demolish many a lie these unscrupulous, deceitful and conceited muslim bigots keep on excreting in these columns. Your above question to Malem is a classic example. I am sure Malem will run away and hide himself behind some sand dunes. In fact, it is also news to me that the buxom girls Allah promised to his loyalists in Jannat are pre- pubescent adolescents. I thought they were young virgins only. I can find only one answer to your question. That is, this demonic Allah is also one pedophile.

Fineliving
written by Rzq , March 30, 2012

What are you on about?
"Why would Allah promise *premenstrual girls* * Lam Yatmothnah* to Muslim men in Jannat al naeem Q / 55:74"

Where does it say anything about puberty???
Or girls for that matter??

Fineliving
written by Rzq , March 30, 2012

Yusuf Ali:

[055:074]  Whom no man or Jinn before them has touched;-
Dr. Munir Munshey (one of www.answering-christianity.com's authors):

[055:074] Whom no human or jinn had deflowered!
Transliteration:

[055:074] Lam yatmithhunna insun qablahum wala jannun
Arabic (from right to left):

‏55:74 لم يطمثهن انس قبلهم ولاجان
Sher Ali:

[055:074] Whom neither man nor jinn will have touched before them -
Shakir:

[055:074] Man has not touched them before them nor jinni.
Pickthall:

[055:074] Whom neither man nor jinni will have touched before them -
Sale:

[055:074]  Whom no man shall have deflowered, before their destined spouses, nor any genius.
Muhammad Al-Hilali & Muhsin Khan:

[055:074]  Whom no man or jinn yatmithhunna (has opened their hymens with sexual intercourse) before them.
Palmer:

[055:074]  Whom no man nor ginn has deflowered before them.
Arberry:

[055:074]  untouched before them by any man or jinn --
Khalifa: (why is he here?)

[055:074]  No human ever touched them, nor a jinn.
Rodwell:

[055:074]  Whom man hath never touched, nor any djinn:

Fineliving
written by Rzq , March 30, 2012

لم يطمثهن انس قبلهم ولاجان

[055:074]  Whom no man or jinn yatmithhunna (has opened their hymens with sexual intercourse) before them.

Funeliving
written by Rzq , March 30, 2012

Are you confusing yourself again????

Lam Yatmothnah with lam yahidnah?????

Infidel and More Proud
written by Kafirwala , March 30, 2012

True. The muslim zombies have no answer to Fineliving's points. Because she speaks from her heart and parades facts she experienced in her miserable life as a muslim woman. These idiots just cannot stomach it. Of course, just because she was born as a muslim, she did not get proper English education and her English is a little faulty in that she makes some spelling mistakes. It is not a very big thing. So these fools mock her English and make faces and do mimicry. Nothing better they can do. They are unable to give any counterpoint logically or intelligently. While mocking her, these rascals conveniently forget the fact that they are just not mocking her, but mocking millions of unfortunate muslim girls worldwide ( who are actually their sisters) who are deprived of English education. Till recently, these hypocrites were decrying English from the rooftops and spreading the falsehood that English is the language of hell. All of a sudden, these rascals changed colour and now acting as champions of English! If this is not laughable, what else is?

Kaffir wala!
written by Rzq , March 30, 2012

I'm not asking about her English but her Arabic.
To get clarification.
So piss off and do something useful with your time!

Apostates Beheading...
written by Brown Superman , March 30, 2012

Beheading is probably the correct thing to do...... some 1400 years ago, but not now.

The Muslims were very low in number then, as the Prophet went around converting the muscular men for his army. All they had to do were fight in wars, loot and bring back wealth (whatever their hands touched, farm animals, camels and horses included) and women.

This army shared secrets on the next war and attacks. But there were some innocent good men who had unknowingly (of the evil plans) joined the army. When they get out of Islam (aka Army), it was feared by the Prophet that the secrets would be leaked, especially to the victim tribes, and the attack action become futile. Thus, the immediate beheading was ordered by the Looting & Warring Chief. Sounds sensible.

Today, that kind of punishment or any other kind is not acceptable...... except for all-knowing terrorist team members who can be a real threat to their kind and plans.

If it was Allah that ordered punishment to people who do not believe in that religion or have given up the stupid philosopies it preaches,.... Allah must be a muderous psychopath!