Open house to render barbaric Islamic justice by the Taliban in Pakistan continues and widens...
“The smell of hatred spreads all over out of your spoiled poisonous words”
Taliban militants on Wednesday amputated the right hands of three alleged thieves in the volatile Orakzai tribal region in northwest Pakistan. They "arrested" Khaista Jan, Azam Shah and Razim Shah in Orakzai Agency 20 days ago on charges of theft, sources said. The militants freed the three men two days ago after chopping off their right hands. They described the ‘amputation as punishment meted out according to Islamic law’. The amputated men were taken to Kohat town in Peshawar-Pakistan and admitted to a hospital, doctors said. Hospital official Musa Khan confirmed the incident and said that doctors were trying to save the men's lives. Orakzai is the latest district in northwest Pakistan's semi-autonomous tribal area to have witnessed an anti-Taliban operation by the military, following US pressure to eradicate extremism.
Washington calls Pakistan's tribal belt the global headquarters of Al-Qaeda and the most dangerous region in the world. Militants in the area are believed to be fuelling the nearly nine-year insurgency in Afghanistan.
THE gruesome incident in which the Islamic militants (Talibans) chopped off the hands of three ‘alleged thieves’ in Orakzai underscores Taliban’s obscurantist agenda. The men, sentenced by a Taliban Shura ‘court’, said they were “innocent and had been targeted by the extremists because they hailed from the same area as a former commander who had parted ways with the militants”. This is entirely believable because the Talibans have physically punished people more to settle scores and terrorize the locals than to dispense anything close to what they perceive as ‘Islamic Justice’. As per the Taliban’s belief, -amputations, floggings, beheadings and other Islamic barbaric acts are acceptable forms of administering Islamic Justice. The Talibans play the part of judge, jury and executioner, highlighting the missing writ of the state in areas where such barbarity exists! Many such incidents are reported by the media have brought the Taliban’s brutal Islamic Punishments into the limelight… The most notorious of these was the flogging of a 17-year-old girl in Swat during the Taliban’s rule over the Swat valley.
While there is no doubt that these brutal punishments are unacceptable in a civilized society, one must ask what the world is doing to curb such barbaric practices that make a mockery of the principles of justice? The writs of the Pakistani government were never very strong in the tribal regions to begin with! But, with the spread of Islamic militancy, it has been eroded even more… This is widely ignored as Islam teaches this, and who’s government is it? It is the Islamic Republic of Pakistan!
‘Yes ISLAM…!!!
The Pakistan Army’s gains against the Islamic Militants (because America has voiced its’ concerns to eradicate Islamic Militancy) must be followed up with effective democratic civilian governance that provides for swift justice, as well as health and education facilities… Even, in settled areas of Pakistan where the process of justice is corrupt and slow, the Islamic extremists and its’ vigilantes are not prevented from taking the law into their own hands. The Talibans have made the civilians as hostage and prelude Koranic interpretations as God’s Law!
Abominable punishments handed down by the Islamic Jirgas (community of Islamic Elders) are not unheard of in this country. The state needs to urgently reform the criminal justice system and remove the Islamic concepts from Islamic Shariah. The Mullahs demand Islamic Justice and the population rightfully tags along them!
I was reading some Islamic Q & As where I happened to come across this:
Q. Is there any evidence in the Quran or Sunnah which supports the chopping of heads on Friday?
A. ‘We’ (Muslims) were instructed to carry out the cutting of hands or heads, stoning people to death, lashing, etc. in public and in the greatest gathering of Muslims, excluding the two Eids and Hajj, is on Fridays. It was the practice of the Prophet (pbuh) to gather as many people from the community to witness the implementation of the Islamic Shariah law. Executing the individual was not just punishment for that individual, but it was also awareness to the people what will happen if they committed the same crime - Bilal Philips.
Bilal Philips proclaimed that “the cutting of hands and heads, stoning of people to death, and lashings are only to be held on Fridays". Since public executions of Muslims are limited to once a week, the Islamic Circle of North America, (ICNA), has established the Muslim Alert Network, to fight against media reporting of Islamist atrocities in negative terms.
One of the distinguishing factors between Islamic Shariah (criminal law) and Western criminal justice is public executions. In the past, the west used to execute people and then they stopped. Afterwards they made an analysis that concluded that, the crime level didn't decrease due to executions, so there was no reason to bring it back.
However in Muslim societies, public executions do keep crime levels down and this is a fact. The barbaric justice is less because the unsettling fear which is used to create awareness of the harsh punishments (by Allah’s commands) will be implemented with out any challenge of Islamic law, where innocence is not heard or investigated but only what the Shura says is ‘good’!
It can be estimated that the population of Saudi Arabia is similar to the population of New York City, but the number of murders which are committed in Saudi Arabia in a year are less than the number of murders which are committed in New York City in a week. One of the key factors for this is the public executions. Indeed nowhere is the claim that "Islam is a mercy for all mankind" better reflected then in the Islamic Shariah Justice System, which only allots one day a week for decapitation, mutilation, stoning, and public lashing.
Philips’ extolled the low crime rate in Saudi society, noting that it had a population equal to New York City but had less murders in a year then NYC has in a week. He stated that "one of the key factors" for this was the Islamist practice of "public executions". Is this a wise justice of a civilized man? Can we accept the gullible justice? Can moral actions make religion a goal?
How sad when religion is based on fallacies!
To me religion is the problem here, a Stone Age mentality. Religion is just the vehicle they use to transport and package that of hate and discriminations. A convenience and a handy tool to input fear of God’s Wraths!!! Nothing compares to religion for massive reach, and relevance.
Pick any politician, singer or actor, many of them have mass appeal, but are irrelevant. The vehicle has to be religious to get your message out. The fact that they drive a particular car doesn't mean they believe in it!
To the Muslims, giving some one 200 lashes that tears open all the skin of the back and leaves the person, (more often than not), with a crippling effect, cutting off the hand of a thief, or stoning a woman half buried in the earth, or the beheadings are a form of entertainment that reaffirms their "Faith" in Islam and the Shariah..
Only a fool would remain a Muslim and that too be foolish enough to go to Mecca for the Hajj with that hanging over his head. Well, what can you expect from those insane megalomaniacs?
No! We are dealing with sick people who are as religious as pigs. Congregate and Oink!
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written by Truth Detector , May 07, 2010
TALIBAN CHPOS HANDS, Islam isn't a religion. Islam is a Crime Syndicate divided into smaller Crime Syndicates called sects. All the Islamic Crime Syndicates have legalized sin and/or criminal activity.
Islam calls isself a religion to make it sound that it's something sacred or holy, but it isn't. Islam also calls forced marriages simply as "marriage," but we all know that it isn't a marriage. Islam calls the rape of a child, that has been forced to "marry" a depraved Muslim male sex pervert, as "consummation of marriage vows," to make it sound as something holy or sacred. But we all know that all these actions are a travesty, criminal acts, or legalized criminal activity of Islam.
I especially feel for these little female children that are legally kidnapped, forced to marry depraved Muslim male sex perverts, and then legally raped by depraved Muslim male sex perverts.
WE MUST DESTROY THE ISLAMIC CRIME SYNDICATES BEFORE THE ISLAMIC CRIME SYNDICATES DESTROY US.
P.S. On another topic. Yes, I agree that everything has energy, but where did that "everything" come from? I know exactly where it came from. I've seen it happen three times. I've also seen many other things that would blow your mind away. BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Islam calls isself a religion to make it sound that it's something sacred or holy, but it isn't. Islam also calls forced marriages simply as "marriage," but we all know that it isn't a marriage. Islam calls the rape of a child, that has been forced to "marry" a depraved Muslim male sex pervert, as "consummation of marriage vows," to make it sound as something holy or sacred. But we all know that all these actions are a travesty, criminal acts, or legalized criminal activity of Islam.
I especially feel for these little female children that are legally kidnapped, forced to marry depraved Muslim male sex perverts, and then legally raped by depraved Muslim male sex perverts.
WE MUST DESTROY THE ISLAMIC CRIME SYNDICATES BEFORE THE ISLAMIC CRIME SYNDICATES DESTROY US.
P.S. On another topic. Yes, I agree that everything has energy, but where did that "everything" come from? I know exactly where it came from. I've seen it happen three times. I've also seen many other things that would blow your mind away. BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
written by Reed Wilson , May 07, 2010
Sharia laws are not divine. They are pseudo religious man made laws on the pattern of Mishnah.They are based on hadis which contains the sunnah. Both hadis and sunnah have no quranic backing.
Quran condemns such laws in 42:21. It reads.They have associated such partners of Allah, who have established for them some religious laws without the permission of Allah? Had it not been for the Decree of Judgment on appointed time, the matter would have been decided between them at once. But verily the Wrong-doers will have a grievous Penalty.
Quran condemns such laws in 42:21. It reads.They have associated such partners of Allah, who have established for them some religious laws without the permission of Allah? Had it not been for the Decree of Judgment on appointed time, the matter would have been decided between them at once. But verily the Wrong-doers will have a grievous Penalty.
written by duh_swami , May 07, 2010
Allah is fond of amputations...and torture...I'm not surprised that his submitters would like what Allah likes...And hate what Allah hates...
Amputations on Fridays is interesting...Friday is named after the ancient Norse goddess Frigga, who was the goddess of sexual intercourse...The insults, 'Frigg you', and go 'Frigg yourself', are testimonials to her
Amputations on Fridays is interesting...Friday is named after the ancient Norse goddess Frigga, who was the goddess of sexual intercourse...The insults, 'Frigg you', and go 'Frigg yourself', are testimonials to her
written by Alla Tappa , May 07, 2010
HEY Reed Wilson. You are ultimate TAQIYYA player. worthy of MO/ALLA , a true follower of MO. Every word you write can be proven wrong. You dont have credibility.U R a liar,cheater.Deception is your game
IS it not true that MO stated that MO was victorious by terror ? !!! Is it not true that ALLA stated that ALLA is the best deceiver ? Is it not true that ALLA/MO stated that in the cause of ISLAM/MOSLEMS - you as a true believer must cheat or deceive or lye? .................. QQURRAN ?ALLA/MO are the worst examples for moral values,principles - becoz ALLA and MO violated all moral principles of humanity. IS it not True that ALLA burns and throws all nonbelievers ( just because of not believing ) in hell fire for eternity and then ALLA enjoys the nonbelievers burning in hell - not only that - this ALLA EVIL GOD makes new skin again and agian and see that the nonbeliever is burnt again and again. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL !!!!!!!!!!!! What a GOD ALLA the PRE_ISLAMIC Moon God is ? How cruel and wicked can ALLA Get ? Tell us .First of all tell me why ALLA created Nonbelievers and then demands that I believe in him. Is it my fault ?This is all incontrivertible proof that ISLAM/QQURRAN is all hoax, fraud and completely devoid of any morals ,ethics,goodness,kindness,compassion,peace,love . ISLAM must be eradicated for the world to have peace,prosperity,love,compassion,oneness of humanity....................... ASSOCIATION - what association ......Is this not a big joke? After reading QQURRAN can anybody say that ALLA is GOD but MO is not his boss ? Can ALLA do without ASSOCIATING with MO ? show me an example . MO has the upper hand over ALLA . Becoz Mo can interced on judgement day and override ALLA .ALLA is stupid but Mo is final authority.One can show any number of examples.....................Moreover , if you Reed wilson the liar,deceiver - thinks that QQURRAN should be taken as standard for moslems and HADITH and SUNNA must be discorded - then you have the work cut out for you. DO you believe in yourself and in your convictions. Then it is your duty to go and talk,argue and propagate against hadiths and SUNNA . Convince all moslems,IMAMS,muftis,Sharia rules,moulvis,moulanas to discord hadiths,sunna . Show to the world that SUNNA,HADITHS are annulled, null and void . Let all the Moslems give a declaration to that effect and write a law to that effect that SHARIA is burnt ,not valid . Other wise what is your point playing TAQIYYA here on this forum. Go and put into practice . Your cheating here has no effect,no validity.It is by itself immoral. .................... Finally Reed -the true Moslem - U are again hanged by me on another point . What about SIRA ? You are not talking about SIRA - Is it also invalid ? and must be discorded ? U are so dishonest - that U are not mentioning SIRA but mentioning about HADITS and QQURRAN !!!!!! I put you in the cage . The humanity does not need ISLAM - It is sewage .
IS it not true that MO stated that MO was victorious by terror ? !!! Is it not true that ALLA stated that ALLA is the best deceiver ? Is it not true that ALLA/MO stated that in the cause of ISLAM/MOSLEMS - you as a true believer must cheat or deceive or lye? .................. QQURRAN ?ALLA/MO are the worst examples for moral values,principles - becoz ALLA and MO violated all moral principles of humanity. IS it not True that ALLA burns and throws all nonbelievers ( just because of not believing ) in hell fire for eternity and then ALLA enjoys the nonbelievers burning in hell - not only that - this ALLA EVIL GOD makes new skin again and agian and see that the nonbeliever is burnt again and again. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL !!!!!!!!!!!! What a GOD ALLA the PRE_ISLAMIC Moon God is ? How cruel and wicked can ALLA Get ? Tell us .First of all tell me why ALLA created Nonbelievers and then demands that I believe in him. Is it my fault ?This is all incontrivertible proof that ISLAM/QQURRAN is all hoax, fraud and completely devoid of any morals ,ethics,goodness,kindness,compassion,peace,love . ISLAM must be eradicated for the world to have peace,prosperity,love,compassion,oneness of humanity....................... ASSOCIATION - what association ......Is this not a big joke? After reading QQURRAN can anybody say that ALLA is GOD but MO is not his boss ? Can ALLA do without ASSOCIATING with MO ? show me an example . MO has the upper hand over ALLA . Becoz Mo can interced on judgement day and override ALLA .ALLA is stupid but Mo is final authority.One can show any number of examples.....................Moreover , if you Reed wilson the liar,deceiver - thinks that QQURRAN should be taken as standard for moslems and HADITH and SUNNA must be discorded - then you have the work cut out for you. DO you believe in yourself and in your convictions. Then it is your duty to go and talk,argue and propagate against hadiths and SUNNA . Convince all moslems,IMAMS,muftis,Sharia rules,moulvis,moulanas to discord hadiths,sunna . Show to the world that SUNNA,HADITHS are annulled, null and void . Let all the Moslems give a declaration to that effect and write a law to that effect that SHARIA is burnt ,not valid . Other wise what is your point playing TAQIYYA here on this forum. Go and put into practice . Your cheating here has no effect,no validity.It is by itself immoral. .................... Finally Reed -the true Moslem - U are again hanged by me on another point . What about SIRA ? You are not talking about SIRA - Is it also invalid ? and must be discorded ? U are so dishonest - that U are not mentioning SIRA but mentioning about HADITS and QQURRAN !!!!!! I put you in the cage . The humanity does not need ISLAM - It is sewage .
written by Alla Tappa , May 07, 2010
Islam must be eradicated. As long as ISLAM exists ,humanity will not have peace,progress,will not have love, will not have freedom, democracy,will not have equality,will not have equal justice . Humanity will not feel it's essence as oneness of human family as long as ISLAM operates. Only solution is to eradicate ISLAM completely. If the thinkers,philosophers,intellectuals,well wishers of humanity do not realize,recognize this simple fact then - we are in trouble. world will be at risk,in danger..........................................To Mr. M A KHAN - Sometime back you have a link to a video ( IN PAKISTAN ,published by a news paper ) in which the video clip shows the beheading of a number of ( at least several ) people , whom ISLAMIC TALIBAN made them to lie - after covering their heads with a black bag - and then cut off their throats . Now where is that link ? please arrange that or juxtapose that with this gruesome acts. I dont know why the world powers - great so called intellectuals, leftists ,liberals, united nations, international community keep on watching this and prefer to look other way ? why? Is the humanity dead ? Particularly United nations , human rights organizations, U S committee on religious freedom - Are they sleeping ?Don't they have conscience ? Don't they have any obligation ? We have to unite and ask them questions ans seek answers.
written by Abu Taleb , May 07, 2010
For those who support the shariah laws, I urge you to chop your own hands first if you have ever stolen something in the past. I bet each of you has stolen something which should be punished by the very law you are supporting.
Anybody?
If none of you dare to chop your own hand, then you should not try to implement that barbaric law of yours.
Anybody?
If none of you dare to chop your own hand, then you should not try to implement that barbaric law of yours.
written by vbv , May 07, 2010
Zakir Naik should have his tongue chopped off for spreading canard and lies agianst other non-islamic belief system.
Muslims want 'sharia',the stone-age barbaric justice of a tribal monster 'god' over civilisation and they are getting what they deserve. I have seen muslims in India wax eloquent about sharia being a perfect justice system divinely ordained by none other than their barbaric arabian deity 'Allah'. So be it - let them face the consequences of upholding criminality and barbaric practices of some imaginery arabian deity called 'Allah'. AtLet them carry out chopping hands,legs,heads off ,stoning to death etc to conveniently bump off those muslims who do not comply with such irrational ,inhuman and barbaric practices - but let it be kept within their own circles and not try to export and impose it on others.
Muslims want 'sharia',the stone-age barbaric justice of a tribal monster 'god' over civilisation and they are getting what they deserve. I have seen muslims in India wax eloquent about sharia being a perfect justice system divinely ordained by none other than their barbaric arabian deity 'Allah'. So be it - let them face the consequences of upholding criminality and barbaric practices of some imaginery arabian deity called 'Allah'. AtLet them carry out chopping hands,legs,heads off ,stoning to death etc to conveniently bump off those muslims who do not comply with such irrational ,inhuman and barbaric practices - but let it be kept within their own circles and not try to export and impose it on others.
written by religion is a disease truth is the cure , May 08, 2010
religion is a disease truth is the cure.man is not created by imaginary jehova/allah in imaginary eden/jannat
from mud/dirt/dust.
man is evoled by nature from 1 celled organisms by nature and the proof is in our dna and genes.
also homosapians interbred with another breed of humans-archaic humans - neandretals.
here is further proof that islam is a man created phenomenon.
http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100506/full/news.2010.225.html
http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100420/full/news.2010.194.html
written by RC Henry , May 08, 2010
When will the more literate/educated muslims either realise that religion is the greatest con job of all time or, try to quash the fundamentalists. When good men do nothing, evil prevails. When will the good muslims begin to speak out?
http://rchenry.com
http://rchenry.com
written by Machmoed , May 08, 2010
Islam is wrong here, like on many things in present time. The reason is simple and the solution is simple. Get rid of those backwarded laws of he scriptures. The laws that are suitable are within our constitutional law.
Is it not devine to forgive in the hope the individual would better himself and work for the stolen goods and maybe more. Doesn't this shows the real goodness in God and thus people. Not to Mullahs etc. they just keep using the concept of fear. They chop their hands and are proud of it. How can a true believer in god think this is right? Crazy, sadistic God they worship, that's for sure.
Maybe they just wanted to test a new sort of holy SWORD and chopped a copup-le of hands to see if it could be done in one time. It seems it did!
Is it not devine to forgive in the hope the individual would better himself and work for the stolen goods and maybe more. Doesn't this shows the real goodness in God and thus people. Not to Mullahs etc. they just keep using the concept of fear. They chop their hands and are proud of it. How can a true believer in god think this is right? Crazy, sadistic God they worship, that's for sure.
Maybe they just wanted to test a new sort of holy SWORD and chopped a copup-le of hands to see if it could be done in one time. It seems it did!
written by Reed Wilson , May 08, 2010
To. Alla Tappa. Islam is a dark chapter in human history.Islam must be eradicated. TO Reed Wilson.
I wonder if I deserved your above post. What do I have to do with all that? You, like everybody has right to have his own views.
Why do you call me Taqya player? What is a Taqya player. I am not, even it is good. Thank you for all the labor and for thinking of me.
I wonder if I deserved your above post. What do I have to do with all that? You, like everybody has right to have his own views.
Why do you call me Taqya player? What is a Taqya player. I am not, even it is good. Thank you for all the labor and for thinking of me.
written by Abu Taleb , May 08, 2010
Reed, you may honestly believe that Islam is good based on your own version of Islam.
However other muslims do not think the same way like you, and we, non muslims, suffer from what those muslims do.
And you, by proclaiming your own version of Islam to the non muslims, you actually are covering up why those muslims do, you are trying to trick us to believe that those muslims are not dangerous to us so that we become easier targets. In a way, you are working together with those muslims in killing the non muslims.
If you really believe your own version of Islam, you should go to those muslims, not to us, because we are not practicing Islam.
But I just wonder how long you can survive if you preach in front of those muslims, my bet is only several days before they kill you. You certainly realize that too, that is why you talk in this forum, not in front of those muslims.
However other muslims do not think the same way like you, and we, non muslims, suffer from what those muslims do.
And you, by proclaiming your own version of Islam to the non muslims, you actually are covering up why those muslims do, you are trying to trick us to believe that those muslims are not dangerous to us so that we become easier targets. In a way, you are working together with those muslims in killing the non muslims.
If you really believe your own version of Islam, you should go to those muslims, not to us, because we are not practicing Islam.
But I just wonder how long you can survive if you preach in front of those muslims, my bet is only several days before they kill you. You certainly realize that too, that is why you talk in this forum, not in front of those muslims.
written by Reed Wilson , May 09, 2010
To Machmoed. Chopping,cutting off and amputation is wrong translation of the Arabic word Qataa in verse 5:38. Same word is used in verse 12:31. You can see for yourself the difference.
It is not only wrong translation, it is practiced also likewise. It is unfortunate mischief.
This fasad fil arz they are doing. They will be penalized.
It is not only wrong translation, it is practiced also likewise. It is unfortunate mischief.
This fasad fil arz they are doing. They will be penalized.
written by Reed Wilson , May 09, 2010
Dear Abu. Yes, I "honestly believe that Islam is good" based "on my own version of Islam". It is not my own version. It is Islam according to quran which is available to check. I feel it as my duty to tell the truth to the people as it is the purpose of this site.
"However other muslims do not think the same way like you, and we, non muslims, suffer from what those muslims do". Yes most of them don’t think this way because they don’t consult quran. Those who do are just afraid of others. But by internet it is possible to refute the wrong concepts and interpretations and do Jihad against evil (Satan). How non muslims are suffering? They are not chopping the hands of non muslims!
"And you, by proclaiming your own version of Islam to the non muslims, you actually are covering up why those muslims do, you are trying to trick us to believe that those muslims are not dangerous to us so that we become easier targets. In a way, you are working together with those muslims in killing the non muslims". This is not right conclusion. I am telling them that they are wrong. They are dangerous for themselves and not for others.
"But I just wonder how long you can survive if you preach in front of those muslims, my bet is only several days before they kill you. You certainly realize that too, that is why you talk in this forum, not in front of those muslims". You are right, they will kill me. If they do, I am successful. Read 36:25-27.
"However other muslims do not think the same way like you, and we, non muslims, suffer from what those muslims do". Yes most of them don’t think this way because they don’t consult quran. Those who do are just afraid of others. But by internet it is possible to refute the wrong concepts and interpretations and do Jihad against evil (Satan). How non muslims are suffering? They are not chopping the hands of non muslims!
"And you, by proclaiming your own version of Islam to the non muslims, you actually are covering up why those muslims do, you are trying to trick us to believe that those muslims are not dangerous to us so that we become easier targets. In a way, you are working together with those muslims in killing the non muslims". This is not right conclusion. I am telling them that they are wrong. They are dangerous for themselves and not for others.
"But I just wonder how long you can survive if you preach in front of those muslims, my bet is only several days before they kill you. You certainly realize that too, that is why you talk in this forum, not in front of those muslims". You are right, they will kill me. If they do, I am successful. Read 36:25-27.
written by Abu Taleb , May 09, 2010
To Reed:
Isn't that strange that you think that you are the correct one and other muslims are wrong, including the Wahabi and Al Azhar imams. Do you understand Arab better than they? Do you learn Islam more than they? I don't think so.
I read Quran too until I felt sick and wanted to vomit. It is a very bad book, full of craps, mambo jumbo, errors and evil teaching, inorganized, uncomprehensible. So how come you have a very different conclusion?
Isn't that strange that you think that you are the correct one and other muslims are wrong, including the Wahabi and Al Azhar imams. Do you understand Arab better than they? Do you learn Islam more than they? I don't think so.
I read Quran too until I felt sick and wanted to vomit. It is a very bad book, full of craps, mambo jumbo, errors and evil teaching, inorganized, uncomprehensible. So how come you have a very different conclusion?
written by Archpagan , May 09, 2010
You try to propagate your Wilson-ism among your fellow Muslims and face the music. You are quite a misfit here.
written by duh_swami , May 09, 2010
Reed...I just wrote a response to you, but that darned editor ate it...It took me two months to write it...I don't expect the editor to release it soon...For some reason I can't figure out, the editor seems to be protecting you...from yourself and the realities of life...The editor must like you a lot...
written by duh_swami , May 09, 2010
Reed...The editor just ate another one of my posts, addressed to Abu Taleb...
I don't understand this editor Reed...It eats your very important posts, and my not so important posts...I don't think the editor is Allah but he may get his daily marching orders from Allah in the form of a text message...Only Allah would be interested in protecting you and deleting my posts...He's just using the electronic editor as a tool...He knows that I'm right 97.5% of the time...I can see why he want's to censor my posts...
I don't understand this editor Reed...It eats your very important posts, and my not so important posts...I don't think the editor is Allah but he may get his daily marching orders from Allah in the form of a text message...Only Allah would be interested in protecting you and deleting my posts...He's just using the electronic editor as a tool...He knows that I'm right 97.5% of the time...I can see why he want's to censor my posts...
written by Reed Wilson , May 09, 2010
Archpagan. You write "You try to propagate your Wilson-ism among your fellow Muslims and face the music. You are quite a misfit here".
Am I a misfit on this site? I am rather the fittest. See the mission statement of this site. It reads:We will criticize and expose the real truth about Islam without minding about any political correctness, whatsoever.
For the first time you have addressed me a post and in such an unwelcoming way. The 'fellow muslims' may also behave the same.
See the above post of duh-swami. He took not less than two months composing a response for me. Imagine two duh- swami- months!
I am down to earth person(self praise). I care too much for you.
Am I a misfit on this site? I am rather the fittest. See the mission statement of this site. It reads:We will criticize and expose the real truth about Islam without minding about any political correctness, whatsoever.
For the first time you have addressed me a post and in such an unwelcoming way. The 'fellow muslims' may also behave the same.
See the above post of duh-swami. He took not less than two months composing a response for me. Imagine two duh- swami- months!
I am down to earth person(self praise). I care too much for you.
written by duh_swami , May 09, 2010
That's the third post the editor has eaten today on this thread Reed...Do you think you might ask Allah to back off just a little?
written by duh_swami , May 09, 2010
Am I a misfit on this site? I am rather the fittest. See the mission statement of this site. It reads:We will criticize and expose the real truth about Islam without minding about any political correctness, whatsoever.
The problem is Reed, that most everyone who posts here question your 'truth' about Islam. So sometimes it's your truth about Islam that needs to be exposed.
I think that being right every time is too much responsibility for you Reed...
You should leave that to duh swami, or some other competent adult...Several post here...It's lonely at the top isn't it...but don't worry, duh swami will be here to catch you when you fall, but that's only if you're very small...If you are too big to catch, I will still be happy to sweep up the mess...
The problem is Reed, that most everyone who posts here question your 'truth' about Islam. So sometimes it's your truth about Islam that needs to be exposed.
I think that being right every time is too much responsibility for you Reed...
You should leave that to duh swami, or some other competent adult...Several post here...It's lonely at the top isn't it...but don't worry, duh swami will be here to catch you when you fall, but that's only if you're very small...If you are too big to catch, I will still be happy to sweep up the mess...
written by Reed Wilson , May 09, 2010
To Machmoed. Verse 3:39 provides forgiveness to the thief.
written by Reed Wilson , May 09, 2010
To duh swami. "I'm just trying to help you Reed".
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU.
written by duh_swami , May 09, 2010
Yes Reed...Just think of me as your lawyer, your doctor, your psychiatrist...You can confess to me your sins, and I wont tell anyone...
written by Machmoed , May 10, 2010
To Machmoed. Verse 3:39 provides forgiveness to the thief.
Maybe, but the problem is that qur'an is a scripture. Scriptures have no will and they do not act also. Islam is more than quran according to muslims....and here starts the problem. Maybe qur'an is supposed to be for the ordinary human, but we all know, islam of today is the result of politics in stread of Allah.
So, even if the qur'an provides forgiveness to the thief, there are more writings wich muslims believe that the hand of a thief has to be chopped of when stealing. In those days it was a common and accepted practice, like having slaves and marry children. I say, it has nothing to do with the almighty.
Maybe, but the problem is that qur'an is a scripture. Scriptures have no will and they do not act also. Islam is more than quran according to muslims....and here starts the problem. Maybe qur'an is supposed to be for the ordinary human, but we all know, islam of today is the result of politics in stread of Allah.
So, even if the qur'an provides forgiveness to the thief, there are more writings wich muslims believe that the hand of a thief has to be chopped of when stealing. In those days it was a common and accepted practice, like having slaves and marry children. I say, it has nothing to do with the almighty.
written by Reed Wilson , May 10, 2010
To Machmoed. sorry for typing error. Verse 5:39 provides forgiveness to the thief. Not 3:39 as it was wrongly printed in previous post.
written by duh_swami , May 10, 2010
It matters little if amputations are called for in the Quran or not 5:33, but it is clear that Muslims amputate anyway...They stone anyway as well...This did not start this week, it has been going on since antiquity...If it is not called for in the Quran, then Muslims are making tragic errors...They are misunderstanding something about Islam, just like terrorists do...The odd thing is that they all seem to misunderstand the Quran in exactly the same way. This misunderstanding must be very powerful because even the schools of jurisprudence and a thousand scholars suffer from it...If Reed can prove all these people wrong, and show Muslims the errors of their ways, it would be very positive...But instead he comes to IW and tries to convince kufrs.
This is a waste Reed...It's not possible for kufr to misunderstand Islam, only Muslims can do that...and you are a great candidate to set them on the right path...But you need to come out of your shell and speak publicly and directly to Muslims...At the moment, you are probably hiding from them, in plain sight I bet...You have the possibility of changing the face of Islam from abject evil, to not quite as evil...But you need to put yourself at a little risk to do it...
Mohammad knew that if you don't stick your neck out, you don't get very far...
So expand your potential Reed...Write up a five minute speech listing all your most potent points, and start reading it out loud on the sidewalk outside a local mosques, on busy street corners in Muslim areas...or anywhere Muslims congregate...Once you clear up their misunderstandings, you will find willing converts everywhere...Once Muslims know about the glories of Wilsonism, they will flock to convert...
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This is a waste Reed...It's not possible for kufr to misunderstand Islam, only Muslims can do that...and you are a great candidate to set them on the right path...But you need to come out of your shell and speak publicly and directly to Muslims...At the moment, you are probably hiding from them, in plain sight I bet...You have the possibility of changing the face of Islam from abject evil, to not quite as evil...But you need to put yourself at a little risk to do it...
Mohammad knew that if you don't stick your neck out, you don't get very far...
So expand your potential Reed...Write up a five minute speech listing all your most potent points, and start reading it out loud on the sidewalk outside a local mosques, on busy street corners in Muslim areas...or anywhere Muslims congregate...Once you clear up their misunderstandings, you will find willing converts everywhere...Once Muslims know about the glories of Wilsonism, they will flock to convert...
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written by Machmoed , May 10, 2010
As always Duh, You wrote it cleverly. I don't think i could do this....i'm certain that i could not put it in the way you did. Straight to the point. Great style, Congrats!
written by Reed Wilson , May 10, 2010
To Abu Taleb. You write "For those who support the shariah laws, I urge you to chop your own hands first if you have ever stolen something in the past. I bet each of you has stolen something which should be punished by the very law you are supporting".
No Abu. You may resolve not to steal. Then there is no punishment for you. Read Quran 5:39. فَمَنْ تَابَ مِنْ بَعْدِ ظُلْمِهِ وَأَصْلَحَ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ يَتُوبُ عَلَيْهِ ۗ إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَحِيمٌ [٥:٣٩]
But if the thief repents after his crime, and amends his conduct, Allah turneth to him in forgiveness; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
There is no punishment for the thief who says I am sorry and decides not to steal again.
No Abu. You may resolve not to steal. Then there is no punishment for you. Read Quran 5:39. فَمَنْ تَابَ مِنْ بَعْدِ ظُلْمِهِ وَأَصْلَحَ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ يَتُوبُ عَلَيْهِ ۗ إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَحِيمٌ [٥:٣٩]
But if the thief repents after his crime, and amends his conduct, Allah turneth to him in forgiveness; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
There is no punishment for the thief who says I am sorry and decides not to steal again.
written by Reed Wilson , May 10, 2010
To duh swami. The systems built in logic did not approve my post for you.
written by duh_swami , May 10, 2010
Reed...The systems built in logic did not approve my post for you.
The editor is very wise...Were you confessing your sins? I would think the editor would be willing to approve that...
The editor is very wise...Were you confessing your sins? I would think the editor would be willing to approve that...
written by Abu Taleb , May 10, 2010
Reed, 5:39 doesn't say that ammending one's conduct will make one unpunished for one's crime. Is adultery punished without mercy in Quran, eventhough the convict repents? How about murder, it still be punished no matter what the murderer does after the murder, isn't it? So, a murder must be punished, and so does stealing.
Or, perhaps that is why there are so many muslims who steal, cheat and rob people, after asking forgiveness, then they can live happily ever after enjoying the money they have stolen, no punishment.
But of course you agree that a thief's hand must be chopped for his crime, right? That is what Quran says, and you will obey it, right? You are a barbarian for doing it, right?
Or, perhaps that is why there are so many muslims who steal, cheat and rob people, after asking forgiveness, then they can live happily ever after enjoying the money they have stolen, no punishment.
But of course you agree that a thief's hand must be chopped for his crime, right? That is what Quran says, and you will obey it, right? You are a barbarian for doing it, right?
written by Reed Wilson , May 10, 2010
No Abu Taleb, 5:39 does say 'amending ones conduct qualifies him for forgiveness'.
You are very right to observe the difference about adultery and murder. Quite many people don’t feel the difference. When you ponder, you would yourself realize logic of divine instructions. I may be obsessed. So I leave it for you.
No. A thief's hand shall ONLY be cut when he elects for it. He has option to return what he has stolen, repent and amend his conduct.
I did not argue with duh that muslims were amputating. It is not my consideration s what they were doing. Doing or not doing. If they do, it is not according to Quran and it is their mistake. Allah says:
إِنَّ إِلَيْنَا إِيَابَهُمْ [٨٨:٢٥]
To me they will return.
ثُمَّ إِنَّ عَلَيْنَا حِسَابَهُمْ [٨٨:٢٦]
Then it will be for me to call them to account.
You are very right to observe the difference about adultery and murder. Quite many people don’t feel the difference. When you ponder, you would yourself realize logic of divine instructions. I may be obsessed. So I leave it for you.
No. A thief's hand shall ONLY be cut when he elects for it. He has option to return what he has stolen, repent and amend his conduct.
I did not argue with duh that muslims were amputating. It is not my consideration s what they were doing. Doing or not doing. If they do, it is not according to Quran and it is their mistake. Allah says:
إِنَّ إِلَيْنَا إِيَابَهُمْ [٨٨:٢٥]
To me they will return.
ثُمَّ إِنَّ عَلَيْنَا حِسَابَهُمْ [٨٨:٢٦]
Then it will be for me to call them to account.
written by Abu Taleb , May 11, 2010
Funny, why can't 5:39 apply to murder and adultery as well?
Any way, you certainly agree that Quran tells to chop a thief's hand if he doesn't repent based on your own opinion, do you?
You can not clean yourself by saying that those who are doing it are on their own and you are not responsible for their doing while at the same time you glorify Quran which commands to chop thieves' hands. No, you are as guilty as those who agree with chopping hands. Only they are more honest than you who do not have any pride to say what your opinion is.
Any way, you certainly agree that Quran tells to chop a thief's hand if he doesn't repent based on your own opinion, do you?
You can not clean yourself by saying that those who are doing it are on their own and you are not responsible for their doing while at the same time you glorify Quran which commands to chop thieves' hands. No, you are as guilty as those who agree with chopping hands. Only they are more honest than you who do not have any pride to say what your opinion is.
written by duh_swami , May 11, 2010
Reed...it is not according to Quran and it is their mistake.
But Reed...the hand choppers think they 'are' doing it in obedience to the Quran.
There is Quran 5:33 on the books...of course this does not mention theft, but it does include making mischief in the land...Now ordinarily I would interpret that as meaning warring with Allah, or spreading disbelief (kufr)...but some really exacting reciter of the Quran could consider theft as mischief...Unless the theft is by a Muslim from a kufr, if that's the case, it's not mischief, it's a blessing...
It could be Reed that these particular Taliban Muslims are just misunderstanding the Quran...That seems to happen a lot...It's odd how all these terrorist jihadi types misunderstand the Quran in exactly the same ways...They need you to straighten them out Reed...Are you able to travel to Pakistan? Or are you already there?
But Reed...the hand choppers think they 'are' doing it in obedience to the Quran.
There is Quran 5:33 on the books...of course this does not mention theft, but it does include making mischief in the land...Now ordinarily I would interpret that as meaning warring with Allah, or spreading disbelief (kufr)...but some really exacting reciter of the Quran could consider theft as mischief...Unless the theft is by a Muslim from a kufr, if that's the case, it's not mischief, it's a blessing...
It could be Reed that these particular Taliban Muslims are just misunderstanding the Quran...That seems to happen a lot...It's odd how all these terrorist jihadi types misunderstand the Quran in exactly the same ways...They need you to straighten them out Reed...Are you able to travel to Pakistan? Or are you already there?
written by Reed Wilson , May 11, 2010
To duh-swami. When somebody asked the running fox why was she running, the king has ordered to arrest all the donkeys only. She replied, "kings men cannot differentiate between a fox and a donkey.
So ordinarily a thief cannot be confused with a terrorist. Even in such a case, there were four options in punishments. He can not be executed. Cannot be crucified. Cannot be cutting of opposite limbs. He can at the most be exiled.
When there is too much deviation from the message, Allah sends messenger. Allah's message is intact. Now it is the duty of those who know, to propagate the message.
Yes I have traveled to Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. Nepal of the region. Bhutan Sikkim and Maldives I missed. I have friends there. I remember San San May of Yangoon, Mianmar
So ordinarily a thief cannot be confused with a terrorist. Even in such a case, there were four options in punishments. He can not be executed. Cannot be crucified. Cannot be cutting of opposite limbs. He can at the most be exiled.
When there is too much deviation from the message, Allah sends messenger. Allah's message is intact. Now it is the duty of those who know, to propagate the message.
Yes I have traveled to Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. Nepal of the region. Bhutan Sikkim and Maldives I missed. I have friends there. I remember San San May of Yangoon, Mianmar
written by duh_swami , May 11, 2010
When someone asked the chicken why it wanted to cross the road, the chicken replied...'to get to the other side'.
Which proves that the chicken knew what it was doing, while the Kings men
are confused...While you were doing all that traveling, I hope you were clearing up these confusions as you went...
Reed...So ordinarily a thief cannot be confused with a terrorist.
Are you claiming that the 'mischief and corruption spreader' referred to in 5:33
is a terrorist? This would make every kufr a terrorist...because every kufr spreads mischief and corruption in the land...That means every kufr is subject to 5:33, but the ordinary Muslim thief, maybe not be...Depends on what he stole and who he stole it from...
Which proves that the chicken knew what it was doing, while the Kings men
are confused...While you were doing all that traveling, I hope you were clearing up these confusions as you went...
Reed...So ordinarily a thief cannot be confused with a terrorist.
Are you claiming that the 'mischief and corruption spreader' referred to in 5:33
is a terrorist? This would make every kufr a terrorist...because every kufr spreads mischief and corruption in the land...That means every kufr is subject to 5:33, but the ordinary Muslim thief, maybe not be...Depends on what he stole and who he stole it from...
written by Reed Wilson , May 11, 2010
Duh-swami. Quran gives answers of all such curiosities. I have posted above:
٨٨:٢٥]
To me they will return.
ثُمَّ إِنَّ عَلَيْنَا حِسَابَهُمْ [٨٨:٢٦]
Then it will be for me to call them to account.
If the mohammadans are doing all you mention, they are accountable and they should fear God.
There must be reform movements in all the communities including mohammadans.
٨٨:٢٥]
To me they will return.
ثُمَّ إِنَّ عَلَيْنَا حِسَابَهُمْ [٨٨:٢٦]
Then it will be for me to call them to account.
If the mohammadans are doing all you mention, they are accountable and they should fear God.
There must be reform movements in all the communities including mohammadans.
written by duh_swami , May 11, 2010
I wrote more but the editor ate it...so I shortened it to this...
You didn't answer this question...
Are you claiming that the 'mischief and corruption spreader' referred to in 5:33
is a terrorist?
You didn't answer this question...
Are you claiming that the 'mischief and corruption spreader' referred to in 5:33
is a terrorist?
written by Reed Wilson , May 11, 2010
To duh_swami.
I wrote more but the editor ate it...so I shortened it to this...
"You didn't answer this question.Are you claiming that the 'mischief and corruption spreader' referred to in 5:33 is a terrorist"
I don't know how to answer this question nicely. I loosely used the word as example. I didnt mean it to be the exact meaning. If I say terrorist it will not become terrorist unless it is terrorist.
We have the text. The meaning of the word is in dictionary. The Arabic fasad is breaking discipline, making disorder, disturbing rules and laws, disturbing system chaos etc. May be I am not very precise.
I feel it convenient to communicate with you duh swami, but I dont want to take that elevated position which you are giving me. Questions like comment on Sura 66, comment on sura 111 are not very happy to answer.
Eating of editor is encroachment on freedom of expression. I have sympathies. It is however pleasure when the post is added.
I wanted to know more on gold mining. My inorganic chemistry has been fully claimed by the organic and bio chemistry.
I wrote more but the editor ate it...so I shortened it to this...
"You didn't answer this question.Are you claiming that the 'mischief and corruption spreader' referred to in 5:33 is a terrorist"
I don't know how to answer this question nicely. I loosely used the word as example. I didnt mean it to be the exact meaning. If I say terrorist it will not become terrorist unless it is terrorist.
We have the text. The meaning of the word is in dictionary. The Arabic fasad is breaking discipline, making disorder, disturbing rules and laws, disturbing system chaos etc. May be I am not very precise.
I feel it convenient to communicate with you duh swami, but I dont want to take that elevated position which you are giving me. Questions like comment on Sura 66, comment on sura 111 are not very happy to answer.
Eating of editor is encroachment on freedom of expression. I have sympathies. It is however pleasure when the post is added.
I wanted to know more on gold mining. My inorganic chemistry has been fully claimed by the organic and bio chemistry.
written by duh_swami , May 11, 2010
I don't know how to answer this question nicely. I loosely used the word as example. I didnt mean it to be the exact meaning.
Ohh Ok...I won't hold you to the word terrorist this time...but you should be careful with your language...I'm not the only one reading this...
Gold mining is not for you Reed...I requires hard work...If there is gold in your area, I can tell you various ways to get it, but you have to be in shape...
Gold mining is not for the weak or infirm...You might even have to fight off wild animals...
Ohh Ok...I won't hold you to the word terrorist this time...but you should be careful with your language...I'm not the only one reading this...
Gold mining is not for you Reed...I requires hard work...If there is gold in your area, I can tell you various ways to get it, but you have to be in shape...
Gold mining is not for the weak or infirm...You might even have to fight off wild animals...
written by Johnny , May 11, 2010
So, I'm going to hell because I don't go to the bathroom the right way? Yeah Right. These so called extremest need just to spend an hour in Wal Mart. They'll get the idea
written by COMMON SENCE , May 11, 2010
This whole discussion of hands chopping is nonsence.
1. If a thief repents after stealing he should be forgiven. What if he steals 2nd time and again repent. How many repents are allowable in Quran??
2. Would a thiefs hand will be chopped for stealing a pen/ pencil. What is criteria for chopping hands when compared to the value of theft??
1. If a thief repents after stealing he should be forgiven. What if he steals 2nd time and again repent. How many repents are allowable in Quran??
2. Would a thiefs hand will be chopped for stealing a pen/ pencil. What is criteria for chopping hands when compared to the value of theft??
written by COMMON SENCE , May 11, 2010
Today everyone complains about "materialism" (particularly muslims) and the averse affects of material greed on humans.
Has anybody thought where this "materialism" comes from. What is the source of materialism. The source of materialism is the OIL being produced in the Arab countries.
Starting from household appliances to cars, ships aeroplanes..space ships...all are manufactured because arab is producing OIL.
If arabs stop producing OIL, materialism will stop. Humans will get rid of greed for materialistic things and start thinking about sprituality and love for each other. Similarly we will get rid of carbon footprint and global climatic changes due to carbon emmissions.
OIL is the evil (satan) of modern age and we all know where it lives and who is producing it.
Has anybody thought where this "materialism" comes from. What is the source of materialism. The source of materialism is the OIL being produced in the Arab countries.
Starting from household appliances to cars, ships aeroplanes..space ships...all are manufactured because arab is producing OIL.
If arabs stop producing OIL, materialism will stop. Humans will get rid of greed for materialistic things and start thinking about sprituality and love for each other. Similarly we will get rid of carbon footprint and global climatic changes due to carbon emmissions.
OIL is the evil (satan) of modern age and we all know where it lives and who is producing it.
written by COMMON SENCE , May 11, 2010
Maybe I am wrong..
Maybe if arabs stop producing oil and non muslims stops manufacturing materials, the humans may go back to another evil i.e "religionism".
At least production of oil and manufacturing materials and retailing is keeping humans busy. (at least non muslims).
Allah knows best!!!
Maybe if arabs stop producing oil and non muslims stops manufacturing materials, the humans may go back to another evil i.e "religionism".
At least production of oil and manufacturing materials and retailing is keeping humans busy. (at least non muslims).
Allah knows best!!!
written by Reed Wilson , May 12, 2010
To duh-swami. Compassionate post. Thanks.
"Gold mining is not for you Reed...It requires hard work...If there is gold in your area, I can tell you various ways to get it, but you have to be in shape...
Gold mining is not for the weak or infirm...You might even have to fight off wild animals".
I had the feeling that the gold was found in free form. Unlike other metals having ores like carbonate lead-zinc ores, bauxite etc. It was an academic inquiry.
I am in shape and form but not for gold. I dont need money. Yes, believe me I dont need money. I hope you get what I mean.
"Gold mining is not for you Reed...It requires hard work...If there is gold in your area, I can tell you various ways to get it, but you have to be in shape...
Gold mining is not for the weak or infirm...You might even have to fight off wild animals".
I had the feeling that the gold was found in free form. Unlike other metals having ores like carbonate lead-zinc ores, bauxite etc. It was an academic inquiry.
I am in shape and form but not for gold. I dont need money. Yes, believe me I dont need money. I hope you get what I mean.
written by Machmoed , May 12, 2010
When someone has money, indeed, it becomes less important. But this is for a few percent of the world population. Most people think it is important in the way that it is a relief if you don't have to bother how you going to pay the rent etc. Personally i deffinately need money to pay the mortgage or to help my children with their study by (helping) financing their education etc.
Did you ever go to Mecca (hadj) and you know how money you need to go there. I think you have enough money and that's why you don't need more, but ofcourse in this time and world everybody needs money, unless you live on some mountain/cave on your own , grow your own vegetables, produce your own oil (food) and your own granefields to harvest and make bread out of it etc etc.
Did you ever go to Mecca (hadj) and you know how money you need to go there. I think you have enough money and that's why you don't need more, but ofcourse in this time and world everybody needs money, unless you live on some mountain/cave on your own , grow your own vegetables, produce your own oil (food) and your own granefields to harvest and make bread out of it etc etc.
written by duh_swami , May 12, 2010
Reed...am in shape and form but not for gold. I dont need money. Yes, believe me I dont need money. I hope you get what I mean.
Do I get what you mean? Not quite? Maybe you sell drugs, or maybe you are a door to door Quran salesman, or maybe you retired with a fortune from the fish store business...You are a little 'fishy' Haha...Or maybe you are poverty stricken by choice and live a very basic life...But if that was the case, you would not be able to do all that traveling...unless it was funded by another...That would make you a liberal, most of them are funded by others...
Do I get what you mean? Not quite? Maybe you sell drugs, or maybe you are a door to door Quran salesman, or maybe you retired with a fortune from the fish store business...You are a little 'fishy' Haha...Or maybe you are poverty stricken by choice and live a very basic life...But if that was the case, you would not be able to do all that traveling...unless it was funded by another...That would make you a liberal, most of them are funded by others...
written by Reed Wilson , May 12, 2010
To Machmoed and duhswami. My research institute where I actively worked for over 35 years, gives me a pension. I get some assignments also. The money I get is enough for both of us.
I am fond of tea and coffee. I dont smoke. I dont drink much.
The phase of life, where one needs more money is successfully passed.
I am fond of tea and coffee. I dont smoke. I dont drink much.
The phase of life, where one needs more money is successfully passed.
written by Proud Muslim , May 14, 2010
Funny Isn't it Lennard finally you got something to post wow this post will really give you fame 
but can't you stop peeping in others matters. Well if you are convinced that by posting above you have done a great job & you will get famous.
" Alla Tappa.
written by Reed Wilson, May 08, 2010
To. Alla Tappa. Islam is a dark chapter in human history.Islam must be eradicated. TO Reed Wilson. "
Well you are a nightmare & you should be destroyed forever Mr. Ali Tappa.
"
written by Abu Taleb, May 11, 2010
Reed, 5:39 doesn't say that ammending one's conduct will make one unpunished for one's crime. Is adultery punished without mercy in Quran, eventhough the convict repents? How about murder, it still be punished no matter what the murderer does after the murder, isn't it? So, a murder must be punished, and so does stealing.
Or, perhaps that is why there are so many muslims who steal, cheat and rob people, after asking forgiveness, then they can live happily ever after enjoying the money they have stolen, no punishment.
But of course you agree that a thief's hand must be chopped for his crime, right? That is what Quran says, and you will obey it, right? You are a barbarian for doing it, right? "
Mr. Fake Abu Taleb.. just one question if someone steals a million dollars from you will you forgive him? If someone rapes your daughter will you forgive him?
I will answer you you will chose the worst punishment possible for stealing the money you would have killed the thief & for raping again you would have killed the rapist.....isn't it
When it will come to you you will understand otherwise you will not....you are still a baby kid God knows better so DONT mess with him.
Again if a muslim steals or kills anyone he will escape .............................? where he escaped when he escaped..do you have any proof or just blabbering?
BTW whether the thief is a muslim or hindu or a christian all are same in Islam all will get same punishment baby...read some books & come
but can't you stop peeping in others matters. Well if you are convinced that by posting above you have done a great job & you will get famous. " Alla Tappa.
written by Reed Wilson, May 08, 2010
To. Alla Tappa. Islam is a dark chapter in human history.Islam must be eradicated. TO Reed Wilson. "
Well you are a nightmare & you should be destroyed forever Mr. Ali Tappa.
"
written by Abu Taleb, May 11, 2010
Reed, 5:39 doesn't say that ammending one's conduct will make one unpunished for one's crime. Is adultery punished without mercy in Quran, eventhough the convict repents? How about murder, it still be punished no matter what the murderer does after the murder, isn't it? So, a murder must be punished, and so does stealing.
Or, perhaps that is why there are so many muslims who steal, cheat and rob people, after asking forgiveness, then they can live happily ever after enjoying the money they have stolen, no punishment.
But of course you agree that a thief's hand must be chopped for his crime, right? That is what Quran says, and you will obey it, right? You are a barbarian for doing it, right? "
Mr. Fake Abu Taleb.. just one question if someone steals a million dollars from you will you forgive him? If someone rapes your daughter will you forgive him?
I will answer you you will chose the worst punishment possible for stealing the money you would have killed the thief & for raping again you would have killed the rapist.....isn't it
When it will come to you you will understand otherwise you will not....you are still a baby kid God knows better so DONT mess with him.
Again if a muslim steals or kills anyone he will escape .............................? where he escaped when he escaped..do you have any proof or just blabbering?
BTW whether the thief is a muslim or hindu or a christian all are same in Islam all will get same punishment baby...read some books & come
written by duh_swami , May 14, 2010
Mr. Fake Abu Taleb.. just one question if someone steals a million dollars from you will you forgive him? If someone rapes your daughter will you forgive him?
That's two questions...You can't count either...
That's two questions...You can't count either
...
written by Machmoed , May 17, 2010
@ proud muslim,
You agree that rapists whoever it may be, are filthy and will go to hell? Did you know the assumed messenger and his sahaba practiced this according to sira’s and ahadith. You should turn your anger to those who wrote those nonsense, the arabs/muslims. It’s all a lie. The assumed messenger, if he was a messenger of God, never would do such things and he wouldn’t have slaves either and the last thing a messenger would do is sell children of the conquered people…..you’re following the wrong/hollow example. The assumed messenger cannot be traced in history, so islam itself is molded from end 7th century till the end of 9th century. Are you sure you're proud? don't be proud on something humans created.
You agree that rapists whoever it may be, are filthy and will go to hell? Did you know the assumed messenger and his sahaba practiced this according to sira’s and ahadith. You should turn your anger to those who wrote those nonsense, the arabs/muslims. It’s all a lie. The assumed messenger, if he was a messenger of God, never would do such things and he wouldn’t have slaves either and the last thing a messenger would do is sell children of the conquered people…..you’re following the wrong/hollow example. The assumed messenger cannot be traced in history, so islam itself is molded from end 7th century till the end of 9th century. Are you sure you're proud? don't be proud on something humans created.
written by Australian Muslim , May 26, 2010
Islam is here to stay till the very final day
And you can't do a single thing about it
And you can't do a single thing about it
written by Zenbo , November 08, 2010
A matter of concern now is what can only be called the Great Islamic invasion of the West, particularly of Europe. Attendant with this is a high demographic growth which is leading to intense disquiet in the West for the future of Western civilisation. So I suppose a reformation of Islam is naturally a topic of interest.
As I posted earlier, the Reformation of Islam is unlikely as there is nothing in the Koran which will permit such. Mr Pipes cites the example of Turkey, which shows signs of such a reformation. Turkey though happens to be just one isolated case in the entire Islamic world and certainly cannot be taken as representative of a general movement towards reformation. Moreover, Turkey's hesitant steps are undertaken under the encouraging aegis of the Turkish army, which also maintains Turkey's secular state. This state of affairs is unlikely to last, as one of the conditions for Turkey's entry to the EU, is a genuine democracy, with no say for the armed forces. Further, as the reformation is a religious one, it would have to be transcribed in some form. The Koran in Turkish could carry the elements of the reformation. But the fact will remain, that the definitive version of the Koran will still be Arabic. Turkey though, once having gained entry to the EU with all the benefits of thereof and no further guidance from the army, may well revert to the original and definitive version of the Koran. Such an eventuality would be disastrous for the West and for Europe in particular.
I do feel though that Osama bin Laden and crew have won not just a battle but have gone some way to winning the war. Here I don't mean the destruction of the WTC. The main thrust of Islamists, moderate or otherwise is to propagate their faith. And the events of 9/11 have brought Islam to the centre of the political and religious arena, giving it an importance way in excess of its worth. And it is in this sense that bin Laden has gone some way to winning the war.
For us to turn this we have to show that Islamic values are not just incompatible with modern civilisation but that they lead to economic and social chaos, the enslavement of women and religious minorities and worse, the shut down of free and innovative thought. In other words Islamic values when applied coherently, lead to the regression of society to the Dark ages. Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and Iran are sufficient examples.
Thus Islam and its adherents are in a fix. Islam will collapse if it is reformed and collapse if it doesn't, through its own internal contradictions and backwardness.
As I posted earlier, the Reformation of Islam is unlikely as there is nothing in the Koran which will permit such. Mr Pipes cites the example of Turkey, which shows signs of such a reformation. Turkey though happens to be just one isolated case in the entire Islamic world and certainly cannot be taken as representative of a general movement towards reformation. Moreover, Turkey's hesitant steps are undertaken under the encouraging aegis of the Turkish army, which also maintains Turkey's secular state. This state of affairs is unlikely to last, as one of the conditions for Turkey's entry to the EU, is a genuine democracy, with no say for the armed forces. Further, as the reformation is a religious one, it would have to be transcribed in some form. The Koran in Turkish could carry the elements of the reformation. But the fact will remain, that the definitive version of the Koran will still be Arabic. Turkey though, once having gained entry to the EU with all the benefits of thereof and no further guidance from the army, may well revert to the original and definitive version of the Koran. Such an eventuality would be disastrous for the West and for Europe in particular.
I do feel though that Osama bin Laden and crew have won not just a battle but have gone some way to winning the war. Here I don't mean the destruction of the WTC. The main thrust of Islamists, moderate or otherwise is to propagate their faith. And the events of 9/11 have brought Islam to the centre of the political and religious arena, giving it an importance way in excess of its worth. And it is in this sense that bin Laden has gone some way to winning the war.
For us to turn this we have to show that Islamic values are not just incompatible with modern civilisation but that they lead to economic and social chaos, the enslavement of women and religious minorities and worse, the shut down of free and innovative thought. In other words Islamic values when applied coherently, lead to the regression of society to the Dark ages. Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and Iran are sufficient examples.
Thus Islam and its adherents are in a fix. Islam will collapse if it is reformed and collapse if it doesn't, through its own internal contradictions and backwardness.
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A true religion exercising mercy should be moved with this pain and form of treatment, howbeit if it is justice the way you see it