Islam, by the commands of Allah and the Prophet, is engaged in a perpetual battle with Western civilization, which can end only with Islam's total defeat or complete victory.
["Religion is an illusion and it derives its strength from its readiness to fit in with our instinctual wishful impulses." -- Sigmund Freud]
A religious war started a long, long time ago, between two civilizations, namely the civilization based on Biblical views and the one based on Koranic views. And this must be clear to all. So, let’s take a look deep into it.
Trusting GOD is the most reasonable thing which comes to a human mind. How is your organized religion different from Catholics, Hindus, Jews and Muslims?
A lie is a lie! And, religion is based on these four pillars:
- Lies
- Superstition
- Dogma
- Rituals
Look around and observe the followers of Islam to understand what they are doing now and what they did in the past?
Islam’s message is simple and clear.
Hate and kill... Hate and kill… Hate and kill…
‘Hate and Kill’ kuffar as well as each other; also subjugate and degrade women by putting them in harems and by marrying underage girls. If someone disagrees, then kill him/her. Look at Pakistan, Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen, etc. (indeed, in almost all Islamic countries); the same message: Hate and Kill.
There is no fundamental Islam
"Fundamentalism" is a word that came from the heart of the Christian religion. It means faith that goes by the word of the Bible. Fundamental Christianity, or going by the Bible, does not mean going around and killing people?
There is no fundamental Islam! There is only Islam period.
The question is how the Koran is interpreted?
All of a sudden we see that the greatest interpreters of Islam are politicians in the West. They pretend to know better than speakers and imams in the mosques, who deliver terrible sermons against anything that is either Christian or Jewish (kafirs). Western politicians tell us that there is good Islam and bad Islam. They know even how to differentiate between the two, except that none of them know how to read an Arabic word.
The Language of Islam
You see so much is covered by a politically correct language that the truth, in fact, has been lost forever. For example, when we speak about Islam in the West, we try to use our own language and terminologies. We speak about Islam in terms of democracy and fundamentalism, in terms of parliamentarianism, and all such kinds of terms. Doing this, which we do from our own dictionary, is like a cricket reporter describing a cricket game in baseball terms. We cannot use the language of one culture or civilization for another. For Islam, you've got to use the language of Islam.
Driving Principles of Islam
Let me explain the principles that drive the religion of Islam. Every Muslim has to acknowledge the fact that, there is only one God. But, it's not enough to say that there is only one God! A Muslim has to acknowledge the fact that, there is one God and Muhammad is his prophet. These are the fundamentals of Islam; without them, one cannot be a Muslim. But beyond that, Islam is a civilization. It is a religion that gave, first and foremost, a wide and unique legal system that engulfs the individual, society and nations at large with rules of behavior. If you are a Muslim, you have to behave according to the rules of Islam as set down in the Koran and are very different than the teachings of the Bible.
The Bible
Let me explain the difference here. The Bible is the creation of the spirit of a nation over a very, very long period, if we talk from the point of view of the scholar (and let me remain scholarly here); but, there is only one thing that is important in the Bible: it leads to salvation.
It leads to salvation in two ways.
In Judaism, it leads to national salvation, not just a nation that wants to have a state, but a nation that also wants to serve their God. That's the idea behind the Hebrew text of the Bible. While the New Testament, which took from the Hebrew Bible, moves its adherents toward a personal salvation with God. So, we have these two kinds of salvation, which, from time to time, meet each other in respects. But the ‘keyword’ here is salvation
Secondly, there is another point in the Bible, which is highly important. This is the idea that man was created in the image of God. Therefore, you don't just walk around and obliterate the image of God in question, followers of the Bible have historically slaughtered in the name of God. Yet, honoring the image of God and the hope of salvation are the two basic fundamentals in these religions.
The Essence of Islam
Now let's move to the essence of Islam. In contrast to the essence of Biblical faiths discussed in the previous section, Islam was born with the idea that it should rule the world. I can quote here in Arabic, but there is no point in quoting Arabic, so let me quote a verse in English. "Allah sent Mohammed with the true religion so that it should rule over all other religions" (see Quran 2:191-94, 8:39).
The idea is not to turn the whole world population to Muslims right away, but to subdue it under the rule of Islam, initially! Muhammad founded Islam (632 CE), within eight years (by 640 CE), the core of the Islamic empire was created. The rules that were taken from the Koran and from the Pagan Arab traditions, but credited to the Prophet of Islam, were translated into a real legal Islamic System. The Jews and Christians could live under Islam provided they paid poll-tax (Jaziyah) and accepted Islamic superiority with willing humiliation (Q 9:29), i.e. they had to suffer humiliation in their everyday life.
Prophet Mohammed Held That All the Biblical Prophets Were Muslims
Muhammad did accept the existence of all the Biblical prophets before him. However, he also said that all these prophets were Muslims. Abraham was a Muslim. In fact, Adam himself was the first Muslim. Isaac and Jacob and David and Solomon and Moses and Jesus were all Muslims as well, and all of them preached messages similar to the Koran. Therefore, world history is Islamic history because all the heroes of history were Muslims. Can we believe that?
Furthermore, Muslims accept the fact that each of these prophets brought with him some kind of a revelation: Moses brought the Taurat (Torah), and Jesus brought the Ingeel (the Evangelion or Gospel).
Bible vs. Koran
Why then is the Bible not similar to the Koran, one may ask? Indeed, the Jews and Christians of Muhammad’s days did the same question, and Muhammad’s answer was: they had forged their holy books! Had these not been changed and forged, these books would have been identical to the Koran.
Nevertheless, the holy laws are very clear: the Jews and the Christians have no rights, whatsoever, to independent existence!!! They can live only under complete subjugation to Islam.
Islamic Rule and Jihad
What happens if the Jews and Christians don't want to live under the same rules of Islam? Then, Muslims must fight them and this fighting is called Jihad! Jihad means ‘holy war against the Kafirs (unbelievers), who do not want to accept (submit) the Islamic superior rule! They may be Jews; they may be Christians. While Jihad against Polytheists (also atheists etc.) demands their complete annihilation! For now, given that not too many Polytheists left, especially not in the Middle East, their Jihad is mainly directed against the Jews and Christians.
A few days ago, I received a pamphlet that was distributed in the by the Talibans. In it, Osama bin Laden calls for the ‘Islamic Jihad against America as the leader of the Christian world, not because America is the supporter of Israel, but because Americans are desecrating Arabia and Islam with their filthy feet! There are Americans in Arabia were no Christians should be’. In this pamphlet, there is not a single word about Israel, but the Kafirs that are desecrating the home of Islam’s prophet.
The Two Houses
The Koran sees the world as divided into two houses: the ‘Dar al-Islam’ or the ‘House of Peace’ that has come under Islamic rule, and the ‘Dar al-Harb’ or ‘House of War’ (i.e. non-Islamic world) that is yet to come under the rule. of Islam through any means needed There is a division of the world which is very clear here. Every single person, who studied Islam, knows this cardinal principle of Islam.
Note the term, “House of War” meaning that Muslims must be in perpetual war with the non-Muslim world until been conquered and subjugated to Islam. A civilization war must continue until the entire world comes under Islamic rule. This is the normative view in Islam. Why? Because, Allah says it's so in the Koran.
God has sent Mohammed with the true religion in order that, the Islamic truth will overcome all other Kafir religions.
Islamic Law
Within the Islamic vision of this world, there are rules that must strictly govern the lives of Muslims. There are four major schools of Islamic law, although differences among them, in essence, are very little.
Countries of the Islamic world have favored one or a mix of these schools of Islamic law. The strictest school is called Hanbali, implemented mainly in Saudi Arabia.
If the Koran speaks about war, then it's war
There are various perspectives in Islam with different interpretations over the centuries. There were good people that were very enlightened in Islam, who tried to understand things differently. They even brought traditions from the mouth of the prophet that women and children should not be killed in war. These more liberal streams do exist, but there is one thing that is very important for us to remember. The Wahabi School of Law is very severe, and this school is behind most of the terrorist powers today. Even if we talk about the existence of other schools of Islamic law, when we're talking about fighting against the Jews and Christians, a world led by America, the Wahabi School is the main instigator of that war today.
Islam and Territory
The Islamic civilization created one very important, fundamental rule about territory. Any territory that comes under Islamic rule cannot be de-Islamized. Even if, at one time or another, the Kafirs take back, or the enemy takes over, a conquered Islamic territory, it is still considered Islamic, and a relentless war must be waged with utmost urgency to bring it under Islam. This is why whenever you hear about the Arab/Israeli conflict, you constantly hear about occupied Islamic territory! There are other aspects to the conflict, but territory is highly important.
Islam sees the Christian civilization not only as a religious opponent, but also as a dam stopping Islam from achieving its final goal for which it was created.
Islam was born to create an army of God, the army of Allah. Every single Muslim is a soldier in this army. Every single Muslim that dies in wars, fought for spreading Islam is a Shaheed (martyr), no matter how he dies in battle, because [and this is very important] this is an ‘eternal war’ between the two civilizations. It's not a war that stops. This war is there, because it was created by Allah. Islam must be the ruler. This is a war that will not end.
Islam and Peace
Peace in Islam can exist only within the Islamic world; peace can only be between Muslims.
With the non-Muslim world or the non-Muslim opponents, there can be only one solution: a ceasefire until Moslems can gain more power. It is an eternal war until the end of days! Peace can only come if the Islamic side wins. The two civilizations can only have periods of ceasefire. And this idea of ceasefire is based on a very important historical precedent, which, incidentally, late Yasser Arafat referred to when he spoke in Johannesburg after he signed the Oslo agreement with Israel.
A few weeks after signing the Oslo Agreement, Arafat, faced with criticism from Muslims for signing a peace agreement with the Jewish state, told a congregation in a mosque in Johannesburg that "Do you think I signed something with the Jews, which is contrary to the rules of Islam? That's not so. I'm doing exactly what the prophet Mohammed did."
Here’s Arafat was pointing a prophetic precedent, a Sunnah, namely the "story of Hudaybiya”. When Muhammad arrived in Mecca with some 1500 fighters in 628 to capture the city, he faced a stronger and determined Meccan opponent, and to avoid a suicidal confrontation, he signed 10-year peace agreement, the so-called Treaty of Hudaibiyya, with the Meccans. But then he quickly strengthened his army to 10,000 soldiers within two years, he threw away the treaty, marched toward Mecca and captured it. This treacherous act of the prophet, in Islamic jurisdiction, later became a legal precedent, which states that Muslims are only allowed to make peace with infidels for a maximum of 10 years. And secondly, at the first instance that you are able, you must throw away the treaty and renew the jihad.
Peace agreement or ceasefire in Islam is only a temporary tactical choice in a situation of weakness or difficulty; it can’t be permanent.
Signing the Oslo Peace Accord was an essential lesson for Israel. And Israelis has taken over 50 years to understand that they cannot ever have [permanent] peace with Muslims. It will take another 50 years or more for the Western world to understand that they have found themselves in a state of war with the Islamic civilization that is virile and strong.
This should be understood: When we talk about war and peace, we are not talking in Belgium, French, English, or German terms. We are talking about war and peace in Islamic terms!
Wherever You Have Islam, You Will Have War
The reason that we have wars in Yugoslavia and other places, where the Muslims live in minority, is because of the nature of Islam that pits Muslim, as explained already, in a perpetual state of war with infidels for establishing Islamic dominance/rule. And we saw, they succeeded in establishing Islamic rule in Kosovo; more such successes for them are on the way. Wherever you have Islam, you will have war. It grows out of the attitude of Islamic civilization.
Why are the poor people in the Philippines being killed for? What's happening between Pakistan and India?
Islamic Infiltrations
Furthermore, there is another fact that must be remembered. The Islamic world has not only the attitude of an ‘open war’, but there's also another: war by infiltration, which is currently occurring in the West! While the Western world not paying enough attention, Islam is fast building its power there. What happened in America and to the Twin Towers is not something that came from the outside! And, if America and the West at large don't wake up soon enough, they will, one day, find themselves in difficult, a potentially losing war with its fastest-growing Muslim infiltrators.
The End of Days
Biblical doctrines see the ‘end of days’ as having 'peace between nations, not just one nation, but between all nations. People will not have any more need for weapons and nature will be changed -a beautiful end of days and the kingdom of God on earth’ (Isaiah) and all sources of evil obliterated. But, Islam sees the ‘end of days’ as having world that is totally Islamic, completely Muslim and under the rule of Islam—complete and final victory of Islam! The Jews, Christians, Polytheists, and Unbelievers will be utterly destroyed.
I’m quoting from Islamic sources about how the Last Days will come:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him… [Bukhari Book 041, Number 6984].
Is There a Possibility of End to This War Dance?
The question which the Jews in Israel are asking is what will happen to their country? Is there a possibility to end this war dance?
As far as Islamic doctrine is concerned, the answer is, "no”; and as far as reality is concerned, ‘not in the foreseeable eyes of the Islamic future!"
We can only reach a situation, where we may have relative quiet for a few years. But Muslims, the establishment of Israel is a reversal of Islam’s history. First, Islamic territory was taken away by Jews. You should know by now that this can never be accepted by Muslim. So, everyone, who thinks Tel Aviv is safe, is making a grave mistake! The territory, which was once dominated by Islamic rule, has now become a non-Muslim state (Apes & Pigs Land). Non-Muslims can’t have independent rule of their own in Islam. But Jews have taken away Islamic land, and then, have created an independent state. It is anathema in Islam!
The worse is Jewish Israel is ruling over a sizable population of Muslims. It is unthinkable (for a Muslim!!!) that non-Moslems should ever rule over Muslims.
I believe that the Western civilization should hold together and support each other. Whether this will happen or not, I don't know. As Israel finds itself on the frontlines of this war, it needs help from its sister civilization. It needs the help of America and Europe.
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written by duh_swami , May 15, 2010
And just what does this 'peace' consist of? The only 'peace' possible is when the entire world worships Allah, and is under the domination of Islam...Islam will not accept anything less...Conversion to Islam, Dhimmitude or death...This is the 'peace' referred to...Jihad, including the tool of terrorism is how Islam... comes about 'Peace'...
written by duh_swami , May 15, 2010
Allah did not promise Paradise to everyone...as you know, he created some Muslims just to burn in the fire, and admitted to misleading others...This leads to a great inner disruption since being pious won't help in this situation, no amount of inner struggle jihad or praying will guarantee admittance to heaven...
Allah in all his wisdom did three things to fix this, He created Muslims as horny little devils, then deprived them of sex...The third was to make it possible for a certain class of Muslims, dead jihadi's, to by-pass the normal qualifications for Paradise and go directly there into the arms of waiting virgins. Death in jihad guarantee's Paradise...It is the only 'guaranteed' path provided by Allah...
If Quran 8:39 was ever achieved, and 'Islamic Peace', became established world wide, there would be no more jihad, no more dead jihadi's, and the guaranteed door to Paradise slams shut...In order to keep the gates to Paradise open, the gates of jihad must stay open as well...This means perpetual warfare, and it tells the truth about Islam...Islam does not want peace, it can't afford it...It has to have perpetual warfare to justify its existence, and keep the instant path to those virgins open...
written by duh_swami , May 15, 2010
written by MA Khan , May 15, 2010
You are being deceptive here. And you quote verses leaving out vital, but embarrasing parts. Here is how your quoted verse read:
"...but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith."
See here, Muslims are forbidden to fight aggressively only inside the Sacred Mosque, namely the Ka'baa. Outside the Ka'baa, the infidels are open target of Islamic Jihad at all times.
Deception, aka "Taqiya", is a central Islamic doctrines, widely practised by Muhammad. We are not surprised that Islam's modern-day followers try to practise it, even on forums, where, they know, they can't succeed in their deception. You are only living your dutiful Islamic life to have an easy passage to Allah's whorehouse.
OK, I let go on that. But Allah also said, a few years later, that if the infidels do not accept Islam within 4 months, "then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)..." [Quran 9:2,5]
Allah further specified his final judgement on how to deal with the Jews and Christians as thus:
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. [Q 9:29]
The verse you quoted was Allah's thoughts about the kuffar seven years earlier than these new verses.
written by Walter Sieruk , May 15, 2010
written by Healer_999 , May 15, 2010
Your reply to him here is well appreciated and thoughtful because new comers to Islam Watch might think what Reed wrote is correct.
This Reed doesn't believe in Rule of Abrogation and it is use less to argue with this man because at the end of the day his answer will be like read the Koran and you will get the answer.
written by Healer_999 , May 15, 2010
SHAKIR: And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.
Actually you have to see the lines carefully here and you will get very clear answers.
1.(Fight in the way of Allah) What is way of Allah here?
2.(with those who fight with you) Why will others fight with Muslims?
3. (do not exceed the limits) This means you must not kill the people for booty all the time i.e. if they are ready to convert then you should not fight and kill them.
Way of Allah and Cause of Allah are same in the meaning.
Here this verse is telling Muslims to make an advance towards establishing Allah's rule i.e. by converting them or defeating them in the war.
In this process if they face opposition then they should fight.
You get the clear answer in 2:193 regarding who is the aggressor and what is the ultimate aim.
2:193
SHAKIR: And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.
Just replace the word of persecution with Fitna (actual word used) which means sedition and disbelief. In Islam Non Muslims are followers of Satan (25:55) so their religion is sedition. Any way next part in this sentence clears all doubts.
Look at the part in italics: (religion should be only for Allah)
This says clearly Muslims should fight until there is no other religion which means that mere existence of disbelief is an affront and aggression to Islam and Muslims.
Now you see, Muslims are never aggressors; it is us the infidels who are aggressors.
This is what is Islamic Supremacism.
written by Healer_999 , May 15, 2010
So if we replace the actual words used and their meaning we get this 2:193.
And fight with them until there is no sedition and disbelief, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the trangressors.
written by Healer_999 , May 15, 2010
Recently an Islamic website has advised Jihadis not to use this translation (Hilali's translation) in Dawa because infidels can see the actual verses and their meanings.
written by berq to M.A.Khan , May 15, 2010
written by Abu Taleb , May 15, 2010
002.098
YUSUFALI: Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and messengers, to Gabriel and Michael,- Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith.
written by duh_swami , May 16, 2010
That's the way it seems, but that is not the way it is...
Reed is not a Muslim, and most of the time, he is not lying...That is not to say he does not attempt to deceive when cornered, but usually he is not lying...
The mistake is in thinking that he is a Muslim, arguing, and lying in defense of Islam...He is not, he is a Wilsonite...The founder of the religion of Wilson...
Everything (well most everything) he says is true, from the Wilsonite point of view...But Wilsonism has a lot of flaws, and that is usually what posters are responding to...With Reed, we are not debating with a Muslim, but a Wilsonite...Reed keeps this confusion alive by insisting he is a Muslim using the Quran only as his basis of truth...Insisting that he is a Muslim, is his biggest lie.
written by Learner_hermit , May 16, 2010
111: Palm Fibre
111:1 The power of Abu Lahab will perish, and he will perish
Without hadiths of scholars like Bukhari and Muslim or Sira of Ibn Ishaq/Ibn Hisham who do you think Abu Lahab is or was?
written by Samuel , May 17, 2010
written by duh_swami , May 17, 2010
written by OO- RAH , May 17, 2010
written by tanstaafl jw , May 17, 2010
Weedie Wilson must have a copy of the Qur'an that says whatever Wilson wants. Say! Is it possible that Wilson is a re-incarnation of the prophet? Mohammed created Allah to serve Mohammed. Maybe Wilson created his own Qur'an to serve Wilson!
written by RM.Akhtar , May 18, 2010
written by duh_swami , May 18, 2010
It's really interesting that your telling us what Reed thinks...
written by Reed Wilson , May 18, 2010
People here, by now, must be sure that I follow nobody. Not even RMAkhtar and Ghulam Shabbir. I faintly know Shabbir through web.
Once I have posted my CV on this site.
Samuel how you say Pakistani? Have you seen my green passport?
Why dont you talk business leaving aside personalities. The objective of the site is onerous and we are expected to be serious.
written by Reed Wilson , May 18, 2010
To Learner_hermit. You are asking "Without hadiths of scholars like Bukhari and Muslim or Sira of Ibn Ishaq/Ibn Hisham who do you think Abu Lahab is or was?"
Is it so very important for you to know? Abu Taleb knows much about Mrs Abu Lahab.
I have written good deal about Bukhari. Ibn Ishaq and Ibn Hisham are just names. The original book is extinct. There is story about it which very difficult for me to entertain.
written by Reed Wilson , May 18, 2010
As a matter of fact the repackaging Islam has changed the shape of Islam altogether. Thanks to Hadis.
It is the same Hadis which has distorted all the religions. Had there been no hadis there would not have been so many manifestations of religion.
Traditionalists have been problem for all messengers of Allah
I agree what you say. But when a personality is like Reed Wilson, there justification for discussing. Isn't it? (I was kidding.)
written by Abu Taleb , May 18, 2010
Why? Because answering such question will blow up his cover. Reed Wilson must have believed hadiths and sirats to know about those people and to understand Quran. Or, if he doesn't believe if, then he will not know at all who Abu Lahab was, Aisha etc, and he will not understand Quran too.
My bet is Reed Wilson is believe in hadiths, sirat and tafsir, only he is ashamed of what is inside those books, so he lies to his teeth by claiming he doesn't believe them.
Btw, no need to discuss who Reed Wilson is. The name I used here doesn't reflect who I am either. The main thing here is the argument, right?
written by Learner_hermit , May 19, 2010
The reason being that for me Koran is fake as a whole. So for some parts of a fake book being themselves irrelevant makes no difference.
However it is important for you to explain as you carry a belief that Koran is the word of Allah. Aside from the question as to who Allah is? lets assume Allah is someone important. Why is Allah figthing with or cursing a mere man? and who is this man? where in the Koran can you find who this man Abu Lahab is and how come he is so powerful that an important entity like Allah has to curse and also curse his wife?
regards
written by RM.Akhtar , May 19, 2010
written by duh_swami , May 19, 2010
written by Reed Wilson , May 19, 2010
We do not find contemporary writers. No so called companion has written any book. The way it is mentioned in Quran shows as if it was understood.
I wrote that it was not important to know. Now I realize my mistake. We must know who is he.
I will not make mistake to consult hadith and sira for the information. They are fiction.
I will search in Quran.
Thank you.
written by duh_swami , May 19, 2010
I will search in Quran.
Please let us know when you find it...Thanks
written by Reed Wilson , May 21, 2010
I will not contest the correctness of translation. If Allah is 'an enemy to those who reject faith', he has not given me free hand to fight with his enemies.
He has asked me to declare that you have your faith and I have mine(Al Kafroon)
written by Reed Wilson , May 22, 2010
What I gather from the surah that Abi Lahab must be a bad man like Pharaoh during the life time of messenger mohammad. His wife was also a culprit. They must be well known in the community.
Allah shows his rage and anger about him and makes a selective communication to him through Quran, so that he may correct himself. Allah does not want that entire mankind should know him and his evil deeds.
What Allah wants us to know, he elaborates it and when he does not want, he conceals it. This beauty we find in Quran all over.
Allah knows best.
written by learner_hermit , May 22, 2010
I appreciate your acknowledgement that there is no explanation of Abu Lahab in the Koran. Surah 111 cannot be understood at all.
As i have no specific interest other than to highlight a number of such surah's or verses that cannot be explained ever.
Over a course of number of coming months I will communicate with you and establish that a significant portion of the Koran (upwards of 20%) is purely gibberish (you call this gibberish Allah KNows best).
I will communicate with you on various topics as you comment on various articles.
My reasoning (different from you offcourse) in communicating with you is to prove to any objective observer who reads our exchanges that Koran at its very best is a fictional book or at worst (and according to Al Azhar, hanafi, hanbali, salafi and other muslim scholars) is a war manual.
kind regards
written by learner_hermit , May 22, 2010
I appreciate your acknowledgement that there is no explanation of Abu Lahab in the Koran. Surah 111 cannot be understood at all.
As i have no specific interest other than to highlight a number of such surah's or verses that cannot be explained ever.
Over a course of number of coming months I will communicate with you and establish that a significant portion of the Koran (upwards of 20%) is purely gibberish (you call this gibberish Allah KNows best).
I will communicate with you on various topics as you comment on various articles.
My reasoning (different from you offcourse) in communicating with you is to prove to any objective observer who reads our exchanges that Koran at its very best is a fictional book or at worst (and according to Al Azhar, hanafi, hanbali, salafi and other muslim scholars) is a war manual.
kind regards
written by pazookah , May 22, 2010
written by Reed Wilson , May 22, 2010
"this makes allah a murderer and inciter to violence and murder now why would an almighty superior being call for violence and murder against a mere earthling like abu lahab?"
You may call murderer but it would be bad English. He himself says that he will give death to each and everybody. This is a temporary phase of life for shortlisting for the better and eternal world. He says "إِنَّ إِلَيْنَا إِيَابَهُمْ [٨٨:٢٥]
It is for me me call them back.
ثُمَّ إِنَّ عَلَيْنَا حِسَابَهُمْ [٨٨:٢٦]
Then it will be for me to call them to account.
How inciter to violence?
If you behave, you dont have to fear.
written by Reed Wilson , May 24, 2010
Quran (6:68-69) clearly tells what should be the behavior of 'believers' in such situations. It is word of God. No emphasis needed.
When they don’t listen to God, how can they be part of Ummah? You can call them an ethnic group.
'But they do have many quite valid versions of Islam'. What valid version of Islam? To me there is no other valid version of Islam. Islam or no Islam. There should no other version.
Demsci, you are telling me that "But our experts tell and show us that "scriptural license for doing agitations" can be in quite valid interpretations of the existing texts of Quran and Hadiths". Where? Quran I have already quoted which does not provide agitation. Hadis can not be scriptural license, it is not scripture. If they consider hadis also scripture, it is another offence they are doing. If hadis was telling something contrary to verse 6:68-69, it should be discarded outright.
It is very difficult to analyze the confused people. But, I think, they are not confused either. Confused people are honest and sincere.
written by Reed Wilson , May 25, 2010
Yes AT, I dont have to answer such questions. I am of the view that we dont need knowing people of Mohammad's era. There may be people who needed that and since there was no source, they themselves made sources which are fake.
They have hadis and seera. These hadis and sira emerged in 9th century. If you study the mechanism of production of HnS, they dont fall on the measure of reliability and can never qualify as source.
AT, I sincerely dont require HnS for understanding Quran. For instance, 6:68 says When you see people engaged in offensive discourse concerning Allah's verses, then turn away from them until they enter into some other conversion. And if Satan should cause you to forget, then do not remain with them after the moment you remember, with the wrongdoing people.
You yourself answer "Why? Because answering such question will blow up his cover". Abu, you are doubting my intention and integrity. How can we communicate when we were doubting each other.
Do you find any body who is consulting hadis and sira to understand Quran? Quran is simple as every body know. God will not send riddles and puzzles to his servants, which will create a vacancy of middle man, the wisest of men, to solve it. God rather commands readers to ponder into Quran. Is this command restricted for clergy and priest?
Allah says:
وَقَاتِلُوا فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ الَّذِينَ يُقَاتِلُونَكُمْ وَلَا تَعْتَدُوا ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يُحِبُّ الْمُعْتَدِينَ [٢:١٩٠]
Fight in the cause of Allah with those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah does not love the transgressors.
وَإِنْ جَنَحُوا لِلسَّلْمِ فَاجْنَحْ لَهَا وَتَوَكَّلْ عَلَى اللَّهِ ۚ إِنَّهُ هُوَ السَّمِيعُ الْعَلِيمُ [٨:٦١]
But if the enemy inclines towards peace, you do incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for Allah is one that hears and knows.
There are several verses in Quran of similar message. You must be knowing that one surah Kafroon is devoted for non interference with non muslims.
I hope you will appreciate.