Rushdie claimed Muslim fanatics and terrorists, not he, have caused the greatest harm to Islam and Muslims. He also termed the ruling Congress Party's Muslim fanatics-appeasement and votebank politics disgraceful, sickening and cowardly -- which are not working either. He also called Imran Khan, who avoided the forum due to Rushdie's presence, cowardly and a dictator in waiting in the likeness of Gaddafi...
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Two months ago, "The Satanic Verses" author Salman Rushdie had to withdraw from his scheduled appearance at the Jaipur Literary festival, after the Indian government, in the face of protests and threats of violence by Muslim fanatics, barred him from coming to India, saying that underworld gangs have sent assassins to kill him. Muslim fanatics also forced the organizers to bar him from addressing a session of the festival via video conferencing.
A frustrated Rushdie, then appearing on NDTV from London, accused the government's capitulation to fanatics due to votebank politics as state election in Uttar Pradesh was drawing near. He said: "I will come to India many times, as I choose, to do what I will, and I will not allow these religious gangsters and their cronies in the government to prevent me.”
And challenging the Muslim fanatics and Muslim-appeasing politicians, Rushdie further added: “I am coming to India; deal with it.”
Keeping up to his challenge, Rushdie appeared at the two-day "India Today Conclave" in Delhi on Saturday (17 March 2012) – which was also to be addressed by Pakistani cricketer-turned-politician Imran Khan, Malaysian Opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim, Bollywood actress Kareena Kapoor and former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger.
Appearing at the event in the Taj Palace hotel in Delhi, entitled "The Liberty Verses – I am What I am and That's All That I am", Rushdie again took his aim at Indian politicians and Muslim fanatics, including Imran Khan.
Imran Khan, leader of the rising Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf party, earlier withdrew from appearing at the event, saying: "I could not even think of participating in any programme that included Salman Rushdie, who has caused immeasurable hurt to Muslims across the globe". Malaysia Anwar Ibrahim also withdrew from the event in protest of Rushdie’s presence at the forum.
Taking aim at Imran Khan’s accusation that Rushdie "caused immeasurable hurt to Muslims”, he said, "I have not caused immeasurable harm to Muslims. Fanatics cause biggest harm to Islam. Immeasurable harm has been caused to Muslims by terrorists based in Pakistan…" with whom Imran wants the world to negotiate.
Rushdie also said that Imran Khan is not a liberal that he was in his playboy days, but a dictator in waiting, adding: "Have you noticed the physical resemblance between IMran and Gaddafi? Could cast Imran as a slightly better-looking Gaddafi."
Defending the larger Muslim community of India by saying "95% of the Muslims of India are not interested in the violence being done in their name," Rushdie blasted the ruling Congress Party, saying "Votebank politics are going on again. Congress did this to no avail. Indian electorate is smarter than politicians and can see through them."
Attacking the Congress Party’s Muslim fanatics-appeasing policy, Rushdie said, "Years and years of kneeling down before every Mullah did not work. It must feel sick."
Taking aim at politicians Jammu and Kashmir Chief Minister Omar Abdullah, Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Akhilesh Yadav, and Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee – who also failed to attend the event, clearly due to Rushdie’s appearance, he said: "I’m impressed by my effect. Really, they’re that scared of me? In the old days, we called this cowardice.”
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Sources: The Times of India; Asiaone.com; freemalaysia.com; NDTV.com
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written by Muslim and proud , March 18, 2012
"Defending the larger Muslim community of India by saying "95% of the Muslims of India are not interested in the violence being done in their name,""
Would you also defend the majority of muslims like Satan Salman did?
Would you also defend the majority of muslims like Satan Salman did?
written by Apple , March 18, 2012
"Would you also defend the majority of muslims like Satan Salman did? "
Why dont you go and kill Satan Salman Rushdie and earn jannah and 72 houries you coward.
Allah is saviour of salman rushdie from malouoons like you.
written by Muslim and proud , March 18, 2012
"Why dont you go and kill Satan Salman Rushdie and earn jannah and 72 houries you coward."
There is no need for such violence on a peaceful website like this bananas....
Grow up
There is no need for such violence on a peaceful website like this bananas....
Grow up
written by duh_swami , March 18, 2012
There is no need for such violence on a peaceful website like this bananas....
The lover of murder and threat hypocrites himself before Allah and the world again...
The castigation will increase with the level of hypocrisy...Allah willing, and he always is...
The lover of murder and threat hypocrites himself before Allah and the world again...
The castigation will increase with the level of hypocrisy...Allah willing, and he always is...
written by duh_swami , March 18, 2012
Mohammad spoke with Satan's tongue once, twice, and always...The Quran is the Book of Satan speak...Written and recited in Satanese...
written by Muslim and proud , March 18, 2012
"The lover of murder and threat hypocrites himself before Allah and the world again... "
Please can you provide a public service announcement immediately - the world also needs details of the next train - ASAP
Please can you provide a public service announcement immediately - the world also needs details of the next train - ASAP
written by Apple , March 18, 2012
you are not a muslim anymore you coward lice you are only on this website to make joke of islam...if you were real what you talk you would either go to afghanistan or iraq and kill invaders or being killed as martyr..what face you will show to mohamed and allah M&P coward.
written by Muslim and proud , March 18, 2012
"are only on this website to make joke of islam...if you were real what you talk you would either go to afghanistan or iraq and kill invaders or being killed as martyr..what face you will show to mohamed and allah M&P coward."
Your boys are still in Afghanistan and Iraq aren't they? In Afghanistan, they are getting their ars*s kicked all over the place - already many of your boys (hundreds) have lost their lives needlessly - they are due to return home soon - as losers....
The Taliban dont need any external support......
Your boys are still in Afghanistan and Iraq aren't they? In Afghanistan, they are getting their ars*s kicked all over the place - already many of your boys (hundreds) have lost their lives needlessly - they are due to return home soon - as losers....
The Taliban dont need any external support......
written by Apple , March 18, 2012
you are sure a laanti maloouun qadiani M&P otherwise you will not sit here and read abuse to your allah and mohamed if someone abuse your parents for so long will you stay on this site have some shame like RZQ and Malem and other sensible muslims and die in my piss.
you even dont know how many muzzies have been killed in afganistan pakistan and iraq by kuffar its because you are hiding your a$$ on this website like a weasel.
you coward qaadiani if you were not hiding a real muslim would have killed you already. i am sure your face looks like a taliban arse and you are a taaliban dick shameless qaadiani.
written by Apple , March 18, 2012
you are laanti maloouun qadiani M&P. a real muslim will not sit here and read abuse to allah and mohamed day and night. can u read so much abuse to your parents.
you even dont know how many muslims are killed in afganistan pakistan iraq by kuffar you must resemble a talibaan ar#e you taaliban di*k qadiaani maloouun
i am sure you feel good to read abuse to allah and mohamed unlike rzq malem who have some shame to hide for sometime.
you even dont know how many muslims are killed in afganistan pakistan iraq by kuffar you must resemble a talibaan ar#e you taaliban di*k qadiaani maloouun
i am sure you feel good to read abuse to allah and mohamed unlike rzq malem who have some shame to hide for sometime.
written by Muslim & Proud , March 18, 2012
a real muslim will not sit here and read abuse to allah and mohamed day and night.
Firstly, thank you for confirming that this website is indeed full of abuse towards Islam - thanks for the clarity on that.
Secondly - I don't pay any attention to the abuse - if I did, I would not stick around to make you people look like complete fools.
Qaadianis are delluded people indeed - I have refuted them many times. It sounds like you are a pakistani ex-qaadiani laanti zaleel kameena haraami - that is quite possible.
i am sure you feel good to read abuse to allah and mohamed unlike rzq malem who have some shame to hide for sometime.
I am sure you would prefer for all muslims to leave you to get on with your abusing - that will not happen.......
Ps. Thanks again for confirming that this website is full of abuse.........
Adios.
written by Apple , March 18, 2012
you are a laanti malouun qadiani M&P otherwise you will not read so much abuse to allah and mohamed.
this site is full of abuse to allah and mohamed and you feel good to read this abuse you laaanti qadiani
keep reading abuse to allah and mohamed you laanti qaadiani. also i know now you are taliban dic3k and you
lick taliban ars* and drink taliban pi** and eat taliban shi* you are a laanti maloouun qadiani from
afganistan
written by Muslim & Proud , March 18, 2012
Tera damaagh pira hai haraam zaaday
Apni maa say jaakay pooch kay tera baap kown hai - uss ko pataa nahi ho gaa....
Tu laanti aur teri maa laanti aur tera saaraa khandaan laanti......
Kutti ka bacha.
Apni maa say jaakay pooch kay tera baap kown hai - uss ko pataa nahi ho gaa....
Tu laanti aur teri maa laanti aur tera saaraa khandaan laanti......
Kutti ka bacha.
written by fineliving56 , March 18, 2012
Afghans Muslims
The clueless of Muslims
Apple ... you got their languish that only they can understand
The clueless of Muslims
Apple ... you got their languish that only they can understand
written by Amboyduke , March 18, 2012
give 'em room, boys...!!!
We got a couple of muslims goin' at it here...let's see what happens...LOL
We got a couple of muslims goin' at it here...let's see what happens...LOL
written by Muslim & Proud , March 18, 2012
"Apple ... you got their languish that only they can understand"
Languish?
Have you been drinking again?
Languish?
Have you been drinking again?
written by Mozlems , March 18, 2012
Which one of you will go to heaven?
Or is it the other 71 sects for both of you have sent each other to hell aready. Thats 2 less now.
Consult Mo. Allah knows best for one one sect will go heaven and as all muslims have learnt to curse from Allah they curse the other 72. Two have bitten the dust 71 more to go. LoL and lotsXlots of LoL
Oh did I se Afganistan.. Maybe you can shed some light on Bacchabazi.. were you two also subject to some of the An*l opening practice when you were younger.
Or is it the other 71 sects for both of you have sent each other to hell aready. Thats 2 less now.
Consult Mo. Allah knows best for one one sect will go heaven and as all muslims have learnt to curse from Allah they curse the other 72. Two have bitten the dust 71 more to go. LoL and lotsXlots of LoL
Oh did I se Afganistan.. Maybe you can shed some light on Bacchabazi.. were you two also subject to some of the An*l opening practice when you were younger.
written by Mozlems , March 18, 2012
Were you guys exposed to some looseing of rear orfice by bacc*aBa*i in the muslim state of afganistan.
Afganis seem to have a penchant for pearly boyz on earth so high probality of expsure.. Morn what is your take on this practice. Are you sorry for those Boyz. PBUM pease be upon me.
Afganis seem to have a penchant for pearly boyz on earth so high probality of expsure.. Morn what is your take on this practice. Are you sorry for those Boyz. PBUM pease be upon me.
written by Mozlems , March 18, 2012
languish = languague فتى وقح
BTW did you apply some salve or topical medication to your rear end for it is quite raw from all the whipping/s.
BTW did you apply some salve or topical medication to your rear end for it is quite raw from all the whipping/s.
written by Editor, M A Khan , March 18, 2012
Would you also defend the majority of muslims like Satan Salman did?Muslims are human beings just like any other people. Certain ideology can turn otherwise normal people into violent fanatics. Islam -- the teachings and instances of the Quran and Sunnah -- is one such worst ideology.
written by Apple , March 18, 2012
you are a laanti qadiani who will die in shit like your prohet mirza ghulam qadiani people like u can only read to abuse of your mother and father as you are sitting on this site day and night reading abuse to allah and mohamed and feeling good u will die as a sooour in toilet like your prophet mirza qaadiani you have no shame to see your parents naked and being abused on this site...keep sitting here with your fat as* you taliban di*k qaadiani from afganistan. appni maan ka thokoo
written by vbv , March 19, 2012
Salman Rushdie has really given the indian politicians,the muslim appeasers a sound kick on their arse, a big slap on these hypocrites,powedr-hungry, corrupt rascals who would sell their mothers,wives,daughters if wads of currency is thrown at them. The congress party is licking the italian shit if Sonia Gandhi, debasing itself, scrubbing its nose in abject disgrace. Good , indeed it is ,that Rahul Gandhi came out a big loser in the Uttar Pradesh elections, though the party that has come to power is no better when it comes to appeasing the muslims.
Hats off to Rushdie for exposing the rot that is in Indian polity.
Hats off to Rushdie for exposing the rot that is in Indian polity.
written by Muslim and proud , March 19, 2012
Let me make one thing absolutely clear....
Mirza Qadiani was a laanti just like you are.
Mirza Qadiani was a laanti just like you are.
written by Muslim and proud , March 19, 2012
Muslims are human beings just like any other people. Certain ideology can turn otherwise normal people into violent fanatics. Islam -- the teachings and instances of the Quran and Sunnah -- is one such worst ideology.
I did not ask if Muslims are human or not.
Here is the question again:
Would you also defend the majority of muslims like Satan Salman did?
written by Apple , March 19, 2012
[Editor: Please be civil in language in your comments. Language like this will not be allowed. The commenter could face ban from posting comments.
you are a total shameless laanti qaadiani taliban di*k suck*er you have no shame you are just sitting with your fat as* to make fun of urself and islam.
i ask you if someone abuse your mother what you will do?? i am sure a shameless like you will do nothing just keep asking stupid questions
this site is abusing allah and mohamed and you are sitting reading this abuse with your di*k in your hands maste*bating because you are shameless laanti maloouun qaadiani
you are a total shameless laanti qaadiani taliban di*k suck*er you have no shame you are just sitting with your fat as* to make fun of urself and islam.
i ask you if someone abuse your mother what you will do?? i am sure a shameless like you will do nothing just keep asking stupid questions
this site is abusing allah and mohamed and you are sitting reading this abuse with your di*k in your hands maste*bating because you are shameless laanti maloouun qaadiani
written by Muslim and proud , March 19, 2012
Mirza Qadiani was a lunatic just like you.
Please do not be jealous about me defending Islam - it gives me great pleasure to defend Islam.
If you have anything useful to contribute, do so. Otherwise, feel free to crawl back into your little hole.
Ps. Qadianis are kafirs - I am Muslim and PROUD ;-)
Please do not be jealous about me defending Islam - it gives me great pleasure to defend Islam.
If you have anything useful to contribute, do so. Otherwise, feel free to crawl back into your little hole.
Ps. Qadianis are kafirs - I am Muslim and PROUD ;-)
written by duh_swami , March 19, 2012
In order to defend Islam, you must first know something about it...The first thing to learn, is why is there any need to defend it? Why does something perfect need defending? Is Islam under attack? When did that start? And who is attacking it, kuffar? Why would kuffar do that? Are they just mean? Why do kuffar read Quran and supporting literature and immediately try to destroy it? It is possible that a few kuffar are just crazy, but that does not explain the large number of kuffar who read Quran who have an identical reaction...'God' wrote this??? 'Muslims believe this'??? So far no Muslim has established a case of authenticity or credibility...
Claims have no authority, anyone can make them...The reason Islam is faulty is because it's goals are faulty...it's methods are faulty, it's reason for existing is faulty...all Islamic outcomes are then faulty...and all defense of it is faulty...No 'good' can come of it...
Claims have no authority, anyone can make them...The reason Islam is faulty is because it's goals are faulty...it's methods are faulty, it's reason for existing is faulty...all Islamic outcomes are then faulty...and all defense of it is faulty...No 'good' can come of it...
written by Muslim and proud , March 19, 2012
The (excuse for a) man who does not answer any questions, yet has hundreds to ask....
Mr swami - you are ordered to provide a response bickhead......on the double
Mr swami - you are ordered to provide a response bickhead......on the double
written by then lie , March 19, 2012
Editor: the lie, do not flood the system by posting the same comment non-stop. If this continues, you could be banned from posting further comments. Final reminder.
then lie
written by vbv, March 18, 2012
I am not a believer in any "god" . You believe that Abraham worshipped Allah and not Yahweh. Do you have any proof or tangible evidence for it ? First of all , Abraham was a character in the Old Testament, muslims have usurped him and made him out to be a muslim , like they claim about Adam, Eve, or Noah, or Moses, AAron, Joseph, Isaac, Jacob, Ismael,etc. There is no proof that anyone of them ever existed.
you dont believe god thats good. I only believe Allah.there is no God except Him. All prophet from Allah. in Quran Allah send the Prophet to their tribe to woship Allah. special Prophet Muhamma to all mankind to the whole human. I choice Quran. just witness the eternal Quran.
then lie
written by vbv, March 18, 2012
I am not a believer in any "god" . You believe that Abraham worshipped Allah and not Yahweh. Do you have any proof or tangible evidence for it ? First of all , Abraham was a character in the Old Testament, muslims have usurped him and made him out to be a muslim , like they claim about Adam, Eve, or Noah, or Moses, AAron, Joseph, Isaac, Jacob, Ismael,etc. There is no proof that anyone of them ever existed.
you dont believe god thats good. I only believe Allah.there is no God except Him. All prophet from Allah. in Quran Allah send the Prophet to their tribe to woship Allah. special Prophet Muhamma to all mankind to the whole human. I choice Quran. just witness the eternal Quran.
written by duh_swami , March 19, 2012
then lie,
sorry i dont like this blog, he afraid with something.what is that??they afraid with the truth of islam.where is my posting???
The electronic administrative grabs a lot of posts...Sometimes for reason, but often for no reason...It's something in the site structure...I don't think Mr Khan can do much about it...You just need to reword and try again...
sorry i dont like this blog, he afraid with something.what is that??they afraid with the truth of islam.where is my posting???
The electronic administrative grabs a lot of posts...Sometimes for reason, but often for no reason...It's something in the site structure...I don't think Mr Khan can do much about it...You just need to reword and try again...
written by The Fog Horn , March 19, 2012
Islam originated from Judaism. Both religions, as well as Christianity, share the Jewish Bible. Prior to their god being re-hashed into an omnipresent one, they worshipped volcanic activity. All three religions originate from volcano cults. Mount Sinai was a volcano not in the Sinai Peninsular but more likely in North-western Saudi Arabia. Along the Gollan Heights, Dead Sea and Red Sea is an extremely seismic area; it is where two continents are pulling apart and, intermitently, causing land to fall, seas to rise, new land to be created and volcanoes to spew out their feiry wrath from their lakes of fire.
This will go viral soon and it will put a stop to Islam. Do you want to be part of the movement towards unity or do you want to be one of the lemmings who sat back and did nothing?
http://ohmyvolcano.blogspot.com
This will go viral soon and it will put a stop to Islam. Do you want to be part of the movement towards unity or do you want to be one of the lemmings who sat back and did nothing?
http://ohmyvolcano.blogspot.com
written by Apple , March 19, 2012
you a laanti Qaadiani you are just Bsh*iting how can you defend a belief. you are telling everyone (outside the room) that the room is dark. everyone is telling you that there is light outside your room but you are defending your darkness because you dont want to come out of it..this is belief you laanti qaadiani. how can you DEFEND that there are JINNS living on earth you mad qaadiani. its your belief keep defending something that does not exist.
allah and mohamed must be more dear to you than your mother if you are a real muslim this is why i asked you what you will do if kuffar abuse your mother would you just sit there with your fat qaadiani as* and defend her
by typing on your laptop. isnt it better to come out of your dark room you taliban dic*k and defend allah and
mohamed the way mohamed defended islam. you coward taliban shi*t qaadiani from afganistan.
written by Mozlems , March 19, 2012
It seems Mulattos relatives are in the open.
All apple and Banana are out in the open. Need to give space...
Bummer all the good work and still destines to h*ll for only one sect out of 73 will go to Allah and which one even Moh did not know.
All apple and Banana are out in the open. Need to give space...
Bummer all the good work and still destines to h*ll for only one sect out of 73 will go to Allah and which one even Moh did not know.
written by VRM , March 19, 2012
It was all a political gimmick and congress paid heavily for this mistake as it performed very badly in U.P. assembly elections.
Look at the Irony , the same SR arrived at DEHLI safely and participated in a program but no DEOBANDI came to oppose his presence in INDIA this time.
Sure it was all stage managed by CONGRESS and DEOBAND for political mileage but it boomeranged.
You can't fool ALL the people all the time.
Any ways, LONG LIVE SALMAN RUSHDIE.
Look at the Irony , the same SR arrived at DEHLI safely and participated in a program but no DEOBANDI came to oppose his presence in INDIA this time.
Sure it was all stage managed by CONGRESS and DEOBAND for political mileage but it boomeranged.
You can't fool ALL the people all the time.
Any ways, LONG LIVE SALMAN RUSHDIE.
written by Muslim and proud , March 19, 2012
Mr Apple Pie
One of your many fathers, Mirza Qadiani was a pure kaafir - 100% genuine kaafir.
You can continue to talk rubbish if you like - this is what losers like you prefer to do.
One of your many fathers, Mirza Qadiani was a pure kaafir - 100% genuine kaafir.
You can continue to talk rubbish if you like - this is what losers like you prefer to do.
written by duh_swami , March 19, 2012
Fog Horn has been pushing the volcano idea far quite a while...Fishing for hits on his site...It may be true but it is irreverent...Knowledge of Islams origins as a volcano cult will not cause Muslims to abandon jihad and aggressive behavior...
written by duh_swami , March 19, 2012
The purpose of castigation is castigation...All Muslims who admit to advocating murder and threat, is qualified for thorough and complete castigation...Kuffar guarantee it...
written by Kafirwala , March 19, 2012
In my opinion, the rascals who advocate murder and threat, particularly the accursed Allah's and infamous Mo's ar*e licker variety require not castigation, but immediate castration...
written by Mozlems , March 19, 2012
New info. Didnt know before Allah had dirk.
is it circumcised.
is it circumcised.
written by Apple , March 19, 2012
Editor: Apple, this is final warning. If you continue using foul language, we will bar you from posting comments without further warnings.
"Ps. What that DOES NOT mean is that the cursed kuffars misinterpretation is correct or it neither means he is indeed using a recognised/credible translation."
the only credible translation is from allah's dic*k M&P laan*ti maloo*un son of M*irza Qaa*diani. No other translation is reliable.
"Ps. What that DOES NOT mean is that the cursed kuffars misinterpretation is correct or it neither means he is indeed using a recognised/credible translation."
the only credible translation is from allah's dic*k M&P laan*ti maloo*un son of M*irza Qaa*diani. No other translation is reliable.
written by vbv , March 20, 2012
All prophets sent by Allah ,you say. As far as I know, Allah can only one 'prophet' for himself, which is Muahamad.The rest are only falsely claimed by the author of quran , usurped/robbed from the Bible. If the Bible did not exist, islam would have been a purely arab tribal cult , which it is actually , except the robbing and falsely claiming the patriarchs for itself to get some respectabilty and a convenient tool for forcing conversion. Quran is a farcical concoction , if you remove the distorted stories robbed from the Bible. Muhamad's bluff was exposed by the jews ,which is why Muhamad institutionalised the hatred and extermination of the jews for an easy passport for the muslims to the islamic heaven of lewd lechery, vulgar debauchery and sot-like existence forever. Can you imagine, the ideal of a momin.or a pure muslim, to get the passport to this "jannat" to sleep with 72 socalled virgins ( actually whores supplied by the pimp Allah in gratitude for furthering his cause and to enable this deity to indulge in voyuerism while his momins do the raping with a permanent erection of their penis on and on and on and on, forever... surely this must be the sicked and most devilish deity in the history of all the mythologies concocted by humans). Religion is supposed to teach good morals and spirituality , not show enticements to such gargantuan immorality ,which becomes the sole aim of a muslim.
written by Georgina , March 20, 2012
I am just curious how much longer the human race will be willing to give their time, money, conscience and daughters to men telling them that they know, better than anyone else, what will happen to their souls/minds/energy when they die.
Surely, the day will come when they realise that these men are lying for the power and wealth it earns them?
Surely, the day will come when they realise that these men are lying for the power and wealth it earns them?
written by malem , March 20, 2012
It would seem that Mr Rushdie is just doing whatever he can to sell his books. I read his first book and found it mediocre even with all the hype in the media.
written by duh_swami , March 20, 2012
Well Malman, you finally showed up...I asked you what type of doctor you were, internist, heart and lung guy, psychiatrist, podiatrist...so may types, just what is your type sweet Doctor Malman...I asked this several times, buy you never answer it...
written by Apple , March 20, 2012
"It would seem that Mr Rushdie is just doing whatever he can to sell his books. I read his first book and found it mediocre even with all the hype in the media."
Dear malem hype is created by muslims...because muslims become hyper when they hear something against islam so please tell your brothers not to create hype....right my lovely malem jee???
Dear malem hype is created by muslims...because muslims become hyper when they hear something against islam so please tell your brothers not to create hype....right my lovely malem jee???
written by malem , March 20, 2012
How does a specific religious person create hype exactly? Im not sure I have seen this before. I have not seen anyone creating hype on this blog?
written by Muslim and proud , March 20, 2012
Banana face,
We don't create hype - we just put you fools in your place....
We don't create hype - we just put you fools in your place....
written by The Fog Horn , March 20, 2012
'written by duh_swami , March 19, 2012
Fog Horn has been pushing the volcano idea far quite a while...Fishing for hits on his site...It may be true but it is irreverent...Knowledge of Islams origins as a volcano cult will not cause Muslims to abandon jihad and aggressive behavior... '
Fishing for hits on my site to....make money? It earns no money. Get famous? Using a fake name? Why do you think I would want people to look at my site? Could it possibly be to make the world a better place? Did that possibility not register with you? Please don't judge my motives by your own motivations.
So you don't think that making a jihadi aware that his god was a volcano could wipe the hate off his face then? I cannot think of anything with more potential to do just that on a very very grand scale. All it takes is for lots of the people who claim to want to end Islam and its jihad against us to let the penny drop and act on this information. Is it the inability of the jihadis to act on it that prevents its success or is it the inability of the anti-Islam brigade to recognise a fantastic opportunity?
http://ohmyvolcano.blogspot.com
No hate required in this attack. Maybe not for everyone I understand.
Fog Horn has been pushing the volcano idea far quite a while...Fishing for hits on his site...It may be true but it is irreverent...Knowledge of Islams origins as a volcano cult will not cause Muslims to abandon jihad and aggressive behavior... '
Fishing for hits on my site to....make money? It earns no money. Get famous? Using a fake name? Why do you think I would want people to look at my site? Could it possibly be to make the world a better place? Did that possibility not register with you? Please don't judge my motives by your own motivations.
So you don't think that making a jihadi aware that his god was a volcano could wipe the hate off his face then? I cannot think of anything with more potential to do just that on a very very grand scale. All it takes is for lots of the people who claim to want to end Islam and its jihad against us to let the penny drop and act on this information. Is it the inability of the jihadis to act on it that prevents its success or is it the inability of the anti-Islam brigade to recognise a fantastic opportunity?
http://ohmyvolcano.blogspot.com
No hate required in this attack. Maybe not for everyone I understand.
written by The Fog Horn , March 20, 2012
By the way I used to be known as Britney British from God Help Britain, ironically enough, so please don't call me 'he'.
written by duh_swami , March 20, 2012
Fishing for hits on my site to....make money? It earns no money. Get famous? Using a fake name?
I didn't specify...
So you don't think that making a jihadi aware that his god was a volcano could wipe the hate off his face then?
No I don't...How many Muslims have you convinced so far?
I didn't specify...
So you don't think that making a jihadi aware that his god was a volcano could wipe the hate off his face then?
No I don't...How many Muslims have you convinced so far?
written by Muslim & Proud , March 20, 2012
"How many Muslims have you convinced so far?"
The exact same number that you have convinced dumbo "0".......
The exact same number that you have convinced dumbo "0".......
written by shahid-kafir , March 20, 2012
It is an appeal to all those moslems - who want to lead a life filled with peace,happiness, with full freedom and kindness - please heed the warnings and advice of SALAN Rushdie . Come out of the death cult which keeps you as prisoners and in slavery for Mo , called ISLAM and live as good human ,beings ,feel good, do good to your country and it's people ,contribute positively and make use of your life . This applies to all moslem women ,particularly.
written by duh_swami , March 20, 2012
Castigated Muslims who advocate murder and threats will be forther castigated...Consider yourself castigated...
written by Muslim & Proud , March 20, 2012
"Castigated Muslims who advocate murder and threats will be forther castigated...Consider yourself castigated..."
Good dog.
You must continue and say these words - this is a direct order to you from a Muslim - I am sure you will obey - like a good dog.
Good dog.
You must continue and say these words - this is a direct order to you from a Muslim - I am sure you will obey - like a good dog.
written by duh_swami , March 20, 2012
There's your chance fog horn, a murderous hateful jihadi right here for you to convince...If you can convince this castigated Muslim who advocates murder and threat about volcano god Allah, I will give you a standing ovation...
written by Muslim & Proud , March 20, 2012
Good dog
You must continue as ordered - you are doing very well by obeying a Muslim.
Good dog.
You must continue as ordered - you are doing very well by obeying a Muslim.
Good dog.
written by Muslim and proud , March 20, 2012
Can you please speak English mr natwarlal tattoo?
Your mum is with me and cannot understand what you are saying dalla.
Lol
Your mum is with me and cannot understand what you are saying dalla.
Lol
written by Muslim and proud , March 20, 2012
You are doing very well to prove that you are from the gutter - carry on.
Uneducated jaahils like you are just after your Visa - so you have to prove you are from the gutter.
Carry on jaahil.
Uneducated jaahils like you are just after your Visa - so you have to prove you are from the gutter.
Carry on jaahil.
written by duh_swami , March 20, 2012
I guess Doctor Malman can't find his doctor papers in a similar manner that US President Obama can't find his birth papers...None of their papers actually exist and so they are both frauds...Imagine that...
written by Muslim and proud , March 20, 2012
"Why Mohammed kissed black stone?"
Because he (peace be upon him) felt like it.
Agar toonay dobaara iss website pay post kiya, to iss ka matlab ye hoga kay tu ayk haraam zaadi ki aulaad hai aur tayray 50 baap hai
Let's see if you respond Moz
Pas gayaa na kameenay - apnay baap kay saath panga lay Kay
Lol
Because he (peace be upon him) felt like it.
Agar toonay dobaara iss website pay post kiya, to iss ka matlab ye hoga kay tu ayk haraam zaadi ki aulaad hai aur tayray 50 baap hai
Let's see if you respond Moz
Pas gayaa na kameenay - apnay baap kay saath panga lay Kay
Lol
written by Muslim and proud , March 20, 2012
Come on dharpowk - don't be a coward and make sure you respond...
Jaldi kar suwwar - be quick with your response
Lol
Lol
Lol
Jaldi kar suwwar - be quick with your response
Lol
Lol
Lol
written by duh_swami , March 20, 2012
Because he (peace be upon him) felt like it.
Why did Mohammad rape 9 year old Aisha...
Because he felt like it.
Why did Mohammad punch Aisha in the chest?
Because he felt like it.
Why did the dog urinate in the mosque?
Because he (peace be upon him) felt like it.
Why did duh swami castigate the Muslim who advocates murder and threat"
Because he (peace be upon him) felt like it.
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Why did Mohammad rape 9 year old Aisha...
Because he felt like it.
Why did Mohammad punch Aisha in the chest?
Because he felt like it.
Why did the dog urinate in the mosque?
Because he (peace be upon him) felt like it.
Why did duh swami castigate the Muslim who advocates murder and threat"
Because he (peace be upon him) felt like it.
/
written by Muslim and proud , March 20, 2012
Why does bickhead swami not believe anything he has written above???
Because according to him it's all fairy tales
What a saddo.....
Duh dumb - you are ordered to post again - this is an order from a Muslim - which you will obey
Because according to him it's all fairy tales
What a saddo.....
Duh dumb - you are ordered to post again - this is an order from a Muslim - which you will obey
written by Mozlems , March 20, 2012
Why Mo kissed the Kaaba stone?
Because it was the urinal of Qarmatians.
http://skeptic-mind.blogspot.c...black.html
Need more history
Because it was the urinal of Qarmatians.
http://skeptic-mind.blogspot.c...black.html
Need more history
written by Muslim and proud , March 20, 2012
Habibi,
Islam is beautiful and is perfection. Thanks for confirming on the link you sent - much appreciated.
Islam is beautiful and is perfection. Thanks for confirming on the link you sent - much appreciated.
written by duh_swami , March 20, 2012
The administrator won't let me ask Malman why he runs away from the Doctor question...
written by duh_swami , March 20, 2012
Islam is beautiful and is perfection.
5:33 The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom...
Now isn't that beautiful and perfect?...Doesn't that just make you feel warm and cozy all over...almost make you want to jump right up and join this beautiful religion...
5:33 The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom...
Now isn't that beautiful and perfect?...Doesn't that just make you feel warm and cozy all over...almost make you want to jump right up and join this beautiful religion...
written by Muslim and proud , March 20, 2012
Maybe it's because the administrator has had enough with your obsession...
You mus post again - that's an order
You mus post again - that's an order
written by fineliving56 , March 20, 2012
Muslim means the perfection of promising
Little girlies to big muslims ...
and pearly boysis to big Muslim ... that prefiction? ..
Oh why did you say so ... now I know what is Islamic perfection ...
Molesting kids ... thanks
Little girlies to big muslims ...
and pearly boysis to big Muslim ... that prefiction? ..
Oh why did you say so ... now I know what is Islamic perfection ...
Molesting kids ... thanks
written by duh_swami , March 20, 2012
The castigated Muslim who advocates murder and threat has nothing to say about this beautiful religion that is addicted to amputations...How beautiful is that?...Allah has addicted billions of people by spraying delusion juice all over them...the castigated Muslim is soaked with it...
written by Muslim and proud , March 20, 2012
"Oh why did you say so ... now I know what is Islamic perfection ...
Molesting kids ... thanks"
Molesting kids is your obsession.....
Please remember that if this is your view of Islam - then your parents, grandparents and ancestors were all child molestors.
Now here us where you will be put on the spot:
How many people in your family were child molesters?
Please confirm....
It is likely you will now crawl back into your little hole.
Molesting kids ... thanks"
Molesting kids is your obsession.....
Please remember that if this is your view of Islam - then your parents, grandparents and ancestors were all child molestors.
Now here us where you will be put on the spot:
How many people in your family were child molesters?
Please confirm....
It is likely you will now crawl back into your little hole.
written by The Fog Horn , March 20, 2012
'No I don't...How many Muslims have you convinced so far?'
I have more hits from muslim countries than anywhere else and there are many readers from muslim countries who visit regularly and read thoroughly. Mind you, I do talk about the possibility the Arc of the Covenant might be housed in the Kabba. I will soon be discussing the possibility Mohammad found the Arc hidden in a cave in a mountain (as it is stated to have been disposed of in the OT) and went off and started Islam.
All this religious rubbish can be explained in very simple terms.
I have more hits from muslim countries than anywhere else and there are many readers from muslim countries who visit regularly and read thoroughly. Mind you, I do talk about the possibility the Arc of the Covenant might be housed in the Kabba. I will soon be discussing the possibility Mohammad found the Arc hidden in a cave in a mountain (as it is stated to have been disposed of in the OT) and went off and started Islam.
All this religious rubbish can be explained in very simple terms.
written by duh_swami , March 20, 2012
Interest is not the same as conversion...You are not going to save the world with these disclosures...How many Muslims have become apostates from Islam because they believe the volcano story? You see, you are kuffar...Muslims are not going to give up Allah, Mohammad, Quran, Sunnah and Sira due to anything a filthy kuffar says...Even of you are right, it will change little to nothing...
written by Muslim & Proud , March 20, 2012
"due to anything a filthy kuffar says..."
Are you a FILTHY KUFFAR?
Yes or No
"Even of you are right, it will change little to nothing..."
lol
Are you a FILTHY KUFFAR?
Yes or No
"Even of you are right, it will change little to nothing..."
lol
written by Muslim & Proud , March 20, 2012
"Muslims are not going to give up Allah, Mohammad, Quran, Sunnah and Sira due to anything a filthy kuffar says...Even of (if) you are right, it will change little to nothing..."
So even if the kuffar are right it will change LITTLE TO NOTHING
Even IF Islam Watch is right it will change LITTLE TO NOTHING
Swami - give yourself a pat on the back. You obeyed the orders and you did a sterling job sunshine - much appreciated ;-)
Well done. You deserve a reward from Mr Khan & Crew
So even if the kuffar are right it will change LITTLE TO NOTHING
Even IF Islam Watch is right it will change LITTLE TO NOTHING
Swami - give yourself a pat on the back. You obeyed the orders and you did a sterling job sunshine - much appreciated ;-)
Well done. You deserve a reward from Mr Khan & Crew
written by fineliving 56 , March 20, 2012
the Muslim Grandchild is issuing some kind a challenge but he does not know who is he talking to ... he really got him self in tight knot ..
He said: who Many people in my family are child molesters? ... oh boy ....
let see ...
Muslim one ...
My grandgfather .. He was 35 and my grand mother was 11 in her wedding night
My grateuncale ... he was 28 my great ante was 9 ... she cries and screemed in her wedding night ... her mother had let her sleep in her bed for a year.
My Ante huspand ... he was 48 and she was 12 ... people talked about how she bled for a month after the wedding night
let's see
Oh
My Cousin twins's husbands 22 and 24 ... both the girls were were 13.
and you thought I am going to bulk to name my Muslim families men as Molester .
You see they are if they use Marriage as reason
I have more ... that is enough for to chow on
Child ... you do not know the real Islam!!!
He said: who Many people in my family are child molesters? ... oh boy ....
let see ...
Muslim one ...
My grandgfather .. He was 35 and my grand mother was 11 in her wedding night
My grateuncale ... he was 28 my great ante was 9 ... she cries and screemed in her wedding night ... her mother had let her sleep in her bed for a year.
My Ante huspand ... he was 48 and she was 12 ... people talked about how she bled for a month after the wedding night
let's see
Oh
My Cousin twins's husbands 22 and 24 ... both the girls were were 13.
and you thought I am going to bulk to name my Muslim families men as Molester .
You see they are if they use Marriage as reason
I have more ... that is enough for to chow on
Child ... you do not know the real Islam!!!
written by Muslim & Proud , March 20, 2012
Now all you have to do is prove that you had a family of child molestors.....
Good luck
Ps. Remember what I said about crawling into your little hole?
Good luck
Ps. Remember what I said about crawling into your little hole?
written by Muslim & Proud , March 20, 2012
Goes to Duh_Swami
Here is the little gem of a quote:
Mr Khan - take note. Duh_Swami has made good use of the free therapy given to him and this quote really will take some 'beating'.........lol
Well done swami - pat yourself on the back again..........bickhead!!!
Here is the little gem of a quote:
You see, you are kuffar...Muslims are not going to give up Allah, Mohammad, Quran, Sunnah and Sira due to anything a filthy kuffar says...Even of you are right, it will change little to nothing...
Mr Khan - take note. Duh_Swami has made good use of the free therapy given to him and this quote really will take some 'beating'.........lol
Well done swami - pat yourself on the back again..........bickhead!!!
written by The Fog Horn , March 20, 2012
So according to your fatally negative attitude towards the volcano god/allah theory....despite it being true it's a complete waste of time discussing it. Hmmmm.
So shall we then take it you believe the people who once believed in Zeus were not told by someone that Zeus did not exist?
At some point people WILL start to believe it. The truth always come out in the end. Nothing can stop it forever, not even your negativity and pessimism.
ALLAH WAS VOLCANIC ACTIVITY.
GOD WAS VOLCANIC ACTIVITY.
Get used to it, start saying it, repeat it and repeat it and don't give up. Or you can carry on doing what you've always done and get what you've always got. Nothing.
So shall we then take it you believe the people who once believed in Zeus were not told by someone that Zeus did not exist?
At some point people WILL start to believe it. The truth always come out in the end. Nothing can stop it forever, not even your negativity and pessimism.
ALLAH WAS VOLCANIC ACTIVITY.
GOD WAS VOLCANIC ACTIVITY.
Get used to it, start saying it, repeat it and repeat it and don't give up. Or you can carry on doing what you've always done and get what you've always got. Nothing.
written by The Fog Horn , March 20, 2012
http://www.miraclesofthequran....al_08.html
You see....they are starting to catch on. Bit by bit the penny will drop.
You see....they are starting to catch on. Bit by bit the penny will drop.
written by duh_swami , March 20, 2012
So according to your fatally negative attitude towards the volcano god/allah theory....despite it being true it's a complete waste of time discussing it. Hmmmm.
I didn't say that...I said your chances of getting Muslims to abandon Islam because of your theory is nearly zero...There are Muslims who post here, try your true theory out on them...The proof is in the pudding...
I didn't say that...I said your chances of getting Muslims to abandon Islam because of your theory is nearly zero...There are Muslims who post here, try your true theory out on them...The proof is in the pudding...
written by Amboyduke , March 20, 2012
Although it's interesting to try, I do think we are wasting our time...???
written by duh_swami , March 20, 2012
Well, it may be a waste of time trying to convince a pious Muslim not to be a pious Muslim, but it is never a waste of time to castigate a Muslim advocate of murder and threat...I tried to get Malman to do it, but he's afraid of the other brothers, so It's up to me or us to castigate the little fiend...Thanks for your help...
written by ChuckMartel , March 20, 2012
You need a job moron. Rushdie has more fame and wealth than you'll ever know in your entire worthless, fat-bodied life. Give up the twinkies and get that small head of yours out of your very large arse.
written by fineliving56 , March 20, 2012
The meaning of the word *molest* ...
Using dictionary
''Assault, abuse a women or a child * sexually * ...
Marriage between an adult and child is no real marriage because a child has not the maturity physically and mentally needed to determine weather it is right or wrong to do such a thing to him/her self .... obliviously
Marriage to a child becomes sexual abuse/ molesting with an Islamic license, when the child is not able to give the consent to make the marriage valid.
Anyone who thinks marriage to a child is not child sexual abuse, is as sick as those men who do want to marry little girls ... shame.
A girl child of 11 or 9 has ... are not enough to
means NO consent
Using dictionary
''Assault, abuse a women or a child * sexually * ...
Marriage between an adult and child is no real marriage because a child has not the maturity physically and mentally needed to determine weather it is right or wrong to do such a thing to him/her self .... obliviously
Marriage to a child becomes sexual abuse/ molesting with an Islamic license, when the child is not able to give the consent to make the marriage valid.
Anyone who thinks marriage to a child is not child sexual abuse, is as sick as those men who do want to marry little girls ... shame.
A girl child of 11 or 9 has ... are not enough to
means NO consent
written by Mozambique , March 20, 2012
[Editor: Mozambique, I have removed some of your comments. Please be civil in language. Comment in English only. You may be barred from commenting if this continues.]
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M&P says
""Why Mohammed kissed black stone?"
Because he (peace be upon him) felt like it."
So the King of Prophets Mohamed had no control on his feelings
he was kissing stones
he was pinning every other girl including daughter in law
he was drinking camel uri*ne
such a person is your prophet and guide M&P
shame on you
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M&P says
""Why Mohammed kissed black stone?"
Because he (peace be upon him) felt like it."
So the King of Prophets Mohamed had no control on his feelings
he was kissing stones
he was pinning every other girl including daughter in law
he was drinking camel uri*ne
such a person is your prophet and guide M&P
shame on you
written by Mrs J HOWARD , March 20, 2012
Is this true M&P what feelings is saying
Mohamed was kissing stones??
Mohamed was pinning girls including daughter in law??
Mohamed was drinking camel ur*ine??
all because he felt like it
shame on you M&P you follow such a person
written by bundypig , March 20, 2012
again M$Perverted, blown out of the water by fineliving in a story that makes me wonder how can muzzies be so cruel to children. Like she says, at 9 or 11, they have no concept of adulthood yet and certainly don't want to be raped by a stinky old man... Thanks fineliving!!!
You need your head examined because you are surely perverted, just like 'ol mo.
You need your head examined because you are surely perverted, just like 'ol mo.
written by bundypig , March 20, 2012
Thanks fineliving for your story, I know it must be hard to tell about things in your family. A 9,10,11 or 12 year old has no concept of adulthood and the responsibilities included. The certainly have no idea what's about to happen to them when some stinky old man pushes them down...M$perverted, you surely live up to your name, the perverted part anyway.Looks like she blew you out of the water again little man ;)
and remember durka durka muhammad jihad lolol
and remember durka durka muhammad jihad lolol
written by bundypig , March 21, 2012
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobi...s-17439129
wonder if that's where M$Perverted and rzqueen have been, in jail?
wonder if that's where M$Perverted and rzqueen have been, in jail?
written by Ramkrishna , March 21, 2012
Dear readers,
This is a reply to RW who commented regarding the article "Contradiction in Quran: Role of Muhammad". As commenting has been blocked there, I am posting my reply to RW here. I regret any inconvenience caused.
RW wrote:
Dear Ram. You write “Allah said Muhammad was sent for guiding people to Islam; He also said, Muhammad was not to guide”. And you wish to analyze the role of Muhammad, apostle, in the light of Quran. For this purpose you have quoted various English translations of Quran verses 2:272, 13:7: 28:56, 32:3, 62:2, 65:11 and 32:24.
On reading text of respective translations you will observe that there is no ‘OMuhammad’ anywhere. Quran is addressed to humanity, to you and me, and this ‘OMuhammad’ is from the translator. He ((translator) knows it that’s why he uses brackets. Quran has no brackets. On eliminating ‘OMuhammad’, most of doubts will vanish.
Quran reader is clear that God does not share his authority with any (18:26):
َبْصِرْ بِهِ وَأَسْمِعْ ۚ مَا لَهُم مِّن دُونِهِ مِن وَلِيٍّ وَلَا يُشْرِكُ فِي حُكْمِهِ أَحَدًا
It is also clear that the Messengers of God are not more than messengers and they don’t teach and guide on their own right. It is the message they bring forth that guides. They knew their limits and were reminded their size. The verses quoted by you also endorse this. By ‘you cannot guide’ he means that there are principles formulated by God for that.
Quran clears it time and again that it is none god who is to be followed:
“Ask them, "Can any of your associates of God guide you to the Truth?" Say, "Only God guides to the Truth." Is the one who guides to the Truth a proper guide or one who himself cannot find guidance unless he is guided? What is wrong with you that you judge so unjustly? 10:35
Here “or one who himself cannot find guidance unless he is guided” includes all the apostles including apostles Jesus /Muhammad.
This is a reply to RW who commented regarding the article "Contradiction in Quran: Role of Muhammad". As commenting has been blocked there, I am posting my reply to RW here. I regret any inconvenience caused.
RW wrote:
Dear Ram. You write “Allah said Muhammad was sent for guiding people to Islam; He also said, Muhammad was not to guide”. And you wish to analyze the role of Muhammad, apostle, in the light of Quran. For this purpose you have quoted various English translations of Quran verses 2:272, 13:7: 28:56, 32:3, 62:2, 65:11 and 32:24.
On reading text of respective translations you will observe that there is no ‘OMuhammad’ anywhere. Quran is addressed to humanity, to you and me, and this ‘OMuhammad’ is from the translator. He ((translator) knows it that’s why he uses brackets. Quran has no brackets. On eliminating ‘OMuhammad’, most of doubts will vanish.
Quran reader is clear that God does not share his authority with any (18:26):
َبْصِرْ بِهِ وَأَسْمِعْ ۚ مَا لَهُم مِّن دُونِهِ مِن وَلِيٍّ وَلَا يُشْرِكُ فِي حُكْمِهِ أَحَدًا
It is also clear that the Messengers of God are not more than messengers and they don’t teach and guide on their own right. It is the message they bring forth that guides. They knew their limits and were reminded their size. The verses quoted by you also endorse this. By ‘you cannot guide’ he means that there are principles formulated by God for that.
Quran clears it time and again that it is none god who is to be followed:
“Ask them, "Can any of your associates of God guide you to the Truth?" Say, "Only God guides to the Truth." Is the one who guides to the Truth a proper guide or one who himself cannot find guidance unless he is guided? What is wrong with you that you judge so unjustly? 10:35
Here “or one who himself cannot find guidance unless he is guided” includes all the apostles including apostles Jesus /Muhammad.
written by Ramkrishna , March 21, 2012
MY RESPONSE:
Dear RW,
Thanks a lot for replying to my post.
Quote:"On reading text of respective translations you will observe that there is no ‘OMuhammad’ anywhere. Quran is addressed to humanity, to you and me, and this ‘OMuhammad’ is from the translator"
Yes I agree that there is no 'O Muhammad' in those verses, but curiously both Ali and Pickthall inserted it. They must have had their reasons didn't they? There are many verses where 'O Muhammad' don't occur yet, it is amply clear that Md. is indeed addressed by Allah.
For example take Q13:7 " Those who disbelieve say: If only some portent were sent down upon him from his Lord! Thou art a warner only, and for every folk a guide".....Notice the questions of kafirs? They are addressing Md. and Allah is replying back. Surely Allah addresses Md. here?
Quote:"Quran is addressed to humanity, to you and me"
I beg to disagree. There are many verses in the Quran which is not addressed to humanity as a whole.
Q93:6 " Did He not find thee an orphan and protect (thee)?"
Q74:1 "O thou enveloped in thy cloak,"
I am not an orphan and neither am I enveloped in my cloak. These verses don't refer to me and neither do they refer to millions of others. Interestingly, muslims are inclined to think that these verses refer to Muhammad, even if no " O Muhammad" can be found here!!!
Moreover the contradiction still persists even if I agree with you that Quran addresses entire humanity. I can surely change the topic name a bit..."Allah sent the muslims(because they believe in Allah) to guide & he also said they were not to guide." But then again if Quran is addressed to humanity, it is addressed to Muhammad as well, unless you consider him to be a beast. So I see no reason to change the topic at all.
Quote"It is also clear that the Messengers of God are not more than messengers and they don’t teach and guide on their own right. It is the message they bring forth that guides."
I agree with you totally. But are not messengers guides? Do not they guide people to the guidance of Quran? Then why did Allah say: Q2:272 "The guiding of them is not thy duty (O Muhammad)" ???
See how you got entangled in your own reasoning?
Dear RW,
Thanks a lot for replying to my post.
Quote:"On reading text of respective translations you will observe that there is no ‘OMuhammad’ anywhere. Quran is addressed to humanity, to you and me, and this ‘OMuhammad’ is from the translator"
Yes I agree that there is no 'O Muhammad' in those verses, but curiously both Ali and Pickthall inserted it. They must have had their reasons didn't they? There are many verses where 'O Muhammad' don't occur yet, it is amply clear that Md. is indeed addressed by Allah.
For example take Q13:7 " Those who disbelieve say: If only some portent were sent down upon him from his Lord! Thou art a warner only, and for every folk a guide".....Notice the questions of kafirs? They are addressing Md. and Allah is replying back. Surely Allah addresses Md. here?
Quote:"Quran is addressed to humanity, to you and me"
I beg to disagree. There are many verses in the Quran which is not addressed to humanity as a whole.
Q93:6 " Did He not find thee an orphan and protect (thee)?"
Q74:1 "O thou enveloped in thy cloak,"
I am not an orphan and neither am I enveloped in my cloak. These verses don't refer to me and neither do they refer to millions of others. Interestingly, muslims are inclined to think that these verses refer to Muhammad, even if no " O Muhammad" can be found here!!!
Moreover the contradiction still persists even if I agree with you that Quran addresses entire humanity. I can surely change the topic name a bit..."Allah sent the muslims(because they believe in Allah) to guide & he also said they were not to guide." But then again if Quran is addressed to humanity, it is addressed to Muhammad as well, unless you consider him to be a beast. So I see no reason to change the topic at all.
Quote"It is also clear that the Messengers of God are not more than messengers and they don’t teach and guide on their own right. It is the message they bring forth that guides."
I agree with you totally. But are not messengers guides? Do not they guide people to the guidance of Quran? Then why did Allah say: Q2:272 "The guiding of them is not thy duty (O Muhammad)" ???
See how you got entangled in your own reasoning?
written by Muslim and proud , March 21, 2012
You have yet to prove that your family is full of child molesters.
written by Yibel , March 21, 2012
It's narrated that once there was an ayat where three former Makkan goddesses, Al-Lat, Al-'Uzza and Manat, were mentioned as intermediaries, in surah 53:
19 Have you though of Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza,
20 and Manat, the third of the?
21 These are intermediaries exalted, whose intercession is to be hoped for.
22 Such as they do not forget.
But these ayats are not in the present Qur'an. Muhammad claimed that Shatyan made him put those naughty verses in there. This text is now found:
21 Is it the male for you, and female for him?
22 That would have been a crooked division!
Pre-Islamic worship of the goddess was primarily associated with Al'Lat, which simply means 'goddess'. She is a triple goddess, similar to the Greek lunar deity Kore/Demeter/Hecate. Each aspect of this trinity corresponds to a phase of the moon. In the same way Al'Lat has three names known to the initiate: Q're, the crescent moon or the maiden; Al'Uzza, literally 'the strong one', who is the full moon and the mother (Umm/womb) aspect; and Manat (Ma'at of Egyptian mythology) is the waning but wise goddess of fate, prophecy and divination. They were the daughters of Allah, aka Sin/Nanna, represented as Herons.
Al'Uzza was especially worshipped at the Kaaba where she was served by seven priestesses who would circle the holy stone seven times - once for each of the seven heavenly bodies (planets, moon sun), and did so in total nudity. The Black Stone in its mount was the unmatched image of the goddess.
When Muhammed wanted to supplant Al’Lat with Allah, this was the one Temple he had conquer, and although Mohammed did conquer the Kaaba, little else changed. The faithful Muslims still circle the Ka'aba seven times, (nowadays the pilgrims only wear a white linen cloth to cover their genitals and not fully clothed).
The Black Stone rests in the Haram, "Sanctuary", cognate of "harem," meaning forbidden place, which used to mean a Temple of Women, in Babylon, a shrine of the Goddess Har, mother of harlots! Hereditary guardians of the Haram were the Koreshites, "children of Kore", Muhammed’s own tribe. The holy office that was originally held by women, is now controlled by male priests known as Beni Shaybah or 'Sons of the Old Woman'
19 Have you though of Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza,
20 and Manat, the third of the?
21 These are intermediaries exalted, whose intercession is to be hoped for.
22 Such as they do not forget.
But these ayats are not in the present Qur'an. Muhammad claimed that Shatyan made him put those naughty verses in there. This text is now found:
21 Is it the male for you, and female for him?
22 That would have been a crooked division!
Pre-Islamic worship of the goddess was primarily associated with Al'Lat, which simply means 'goddess'. She is a triple goddess, similar to the Greek lunar deity Kore/Demeter/Hecate. Each aspect of this trinity corresponds to a phase of the moon. In the same way Al'Lat has three names known to the initiate: Q're, the crescent moon or the maiden; Al'Uzza, literally 'the strong one', who is the full moon and the mother (Umm/womb) aspect; and Manat (Ma'at of Egyptian mythology) is the waning but wise goddess of fate, prophecy and divination. They were the daughters of Allah, aka Sin/Nanna, represented as Herons.
Al'Uzza was especially worshipped at the Kaaba where she was served by seven priestesses who would circle the holy stone seven times - once for each of the seven heavenly bodies (planets, moon sun), and did so in total nudity. The Black Stone in its mount was the unmatched image of the goddess.
When Muhammed wanted to supplant Al’Lat with Allah, this was the one Temple he had conquer, and although Mohammed did conquer the Kaaba, little else changed. The faithful Muslims still circle the Ka'aba seven times, (nowadays the pilgrims only wear a white linen cloth to cover their genitals and not fully clothed).
The Black Stone rests in the Haram, "Sanctuary", cognate of "harem," meaning forbidden place, which used to mean a Temple of Women, in Babylon, a shrine of the Goddess Har, mother of harlots! Hereditary guardians of the Haram were the Koreshites, "children of Kore", Muhammed’s own tribe. The holy office that was originally held by women, is now controlled by male priests known as Beni Shaybah or 'Sons of the Old Woman'
written by Mozlems , March 21, 2012
And the black stone is mounted in a silver artifact shaped like female genitalia.
maybe that was another reason for Mo to kiss the stone....
maybe that was another reason for Mo to kiss the stone....
written by The Fog Horn , March 21, 2012
There are many apostates of Islam in countries like Iran and Saudi who are willing the West on to help 'get them out' and this volcano theory would go down a treat with them. It just takes effort. I'm doing my bit but there are only about four other people in the whole world who are doing anything about it right now.
It is a shame so little effort is put into promoting the truth by people who claim to hate 'evils'.
It is a shame so little effort is put into promoting the truth by people who claim to hate 'evils'.
written by non believer , March 21, 2012
What is M&P proud of?
By his language he must be an Asian
That his great great......................great grand mother was raped by an Arabic invader1000 years ago and the family became Muslims by force?
That his Allah preferred an illiterate, pervert of the desert to the cultured fore fathers of his great great.............great grand mother?.
All religions invented their Gods. But the desert religions are the only ones to make it a political tool to rule by saying my god is true and your god is devil. Crusades and jihads are not there in any other religion.
By his language he must be an Asian
That his great great......................great grand mother was raped by an Arabic invader1000 years ago and the family became Muslims by force?
That his Allah preferred an illiterate, pervert of the desert to the cultured fore fathers of his great great.............great grand mother?.
All religions invented their Gods. But the desert religions are the only ones to make it a political tool to rule by saying my god is true and your god is devil. Crusades and jihads are not there in any other religion.
written by Amboyduke , March 21, 2012
I tried to get Malman to do it, but he's afraid of the other brothers, so It's up to me or us to castigate the little fiend...Thanks for your help...
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It is rather fun, and it helps keep me sharp...LOL
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It is rather fun, and it helps keep me sharp...LOL
written by duh_swami , March 21, 2012
I don't want to discourage you, from swaying Muslims away from their murderous cult...But I'm not sure that you can erase the Quran, and the image of Allah as the creator of everything including volcano's...You would replace the belief in fairy tales with some form of reality...All religious supremacist bigots will resist that, especially Islamic bigots...
By the way, the ark in the ka'aba is possible but highly unlikely...The Ka'aba has been destroyed for one reason or another, and has been rebuilt some 60 times since Mohammad...
No one claims to have seen it, in all those re-builds...
By the way, the ark in the ka'aba is possible but highly unlikely...The Ka'aba has been destroyed for one reason or another, and has been rebuilt some 60 times since Mohammad...
No one claims to have seen it, in all those re-builds...
written by fineliving56 , March 21, 2012
Thank you for your words ...
I do not mind to talk about my family ...
It is what happened ... Truth has to come out to save future molestation of little girls under the fake shield of Marriage papers.
it is a prefect sample of life of Muslims
Most of my ancestors married little girls ... My great grandfathers and my grandfathers generations ... practiced Molestation hidden under Marriage legality to girls ...
All my grandmothers neighbors from both sides were child prides ....
it is still happening until now ... I have met a women who marries at 12 ... in Aleppo in my last visit few month ago ...
I asked her why would that be still allowed by fathers ...
she said "her father wanted her husband to raise her to make less resisting to his wants and needs ... how Thoughtful !!
My 11 year old grandmother ... not only she was molested at 11 by her husband of 35 ...he made sure she will not disobey ever by threatening her to beat her with a wooden stick as tall as him ... he showed her the stick in her wedding night ... he hide it behind the door.
She told me that story and I remember saying ... after he told her that he would beat her ... she never held one spic of love for him all her life until his death.
Unhappiness in Islam ... anything knew?
I do not mind to talk about my family ...
It is what happened ... Truth has to come out to save future molestation of little girls under the fake shield of Marriage papers.
it is a prefect sample of life of Muslims
Most of my ancestors married little girls ... My great grandfathers and my grandfathers generations ... practiced Molestation hidden under Marriage legality to girls ...
All my grandmothers neighbors from both sides were child prides ....
it is still happening until now ... I have met a women who marries at 12 ... in Aleppo in my last visit few month ago ...
I asked her why would that be still allowed by fathers ...
she said "her father wanted her husband to raise her to make less resisting to his wants and needs ... how Thoughtful !!
My 11 year old grandmother ... not only she was molested at 11 by her husband of 35 ...he made sure she will not disobey ever by threatening her to beat her with a wooden stick as tall as him ... he showed her the stick in her wedding night ... he hide it behind the door.
She told me that story and I remember saying ... after he told her that he would beat her ... she never held one spic of love for him all her life until his death.
Unhappiness in Islam ... anything knew?
written by fineliving56 , March 21, 2012
anything new? .... not ....anything Knew ? ...
sorry
sorry
written by Muslim and proud , March 21, 2012
"All my grandmothers neighbors from both sides were child prides .... "
Lol
Don't forget - culture and religion are two (completely) separate things
Lol
Don't forget - culture and religion are two (completely) separate things
written by duh_swami , March 21, 2012
Don't forget - culture and religion are two (completely) separate things
Not when it comes to Islam, they meld together nicely, if you are a murderous freak...
Not when it comes to Islam, they meld together nicely, if you are a murderous freak...
written by Yibel , March 21, 2012
Muhammad is referred to (or refers to himself, depending on your point of view) in the following passages:
as "apostle": 9:58, 49:4, 49:7, 61:6, 65:10
as "The Apostle or His Apostle: 47:29, 47:33, 33:57, 33:71, 49:14, 49:15, 58:13, 58:20-21, 58:22, 5:55,
as "you" in numerous places including: 3:122, 158-160, 80:3, 40:76, 49:5, 4:80, 28:44-46, 8:30, 73:1, 68:1
as "Allah and His Apostle", "Our Apostle" or "Apostle": 5:19, 58:8, 58:9, 58:12, 4:59, 4:61, 4:64, 4:66, 4:81, 4:83, 5:41, 5:66, 8:24, 8:28, 8:41, 73:15, 59:3-8, 33:21-22,
as "He": 80:1
as "Prophet": 33:53, 33:57, 33:56, 33:59, 58:11, 33:6, 33:13, 60;12, 66:1, 66:3, 66:8, 66:9,
as "a prophet of their own": 50:1
as "I"; 41:6
as "His Servant": 17:1, 72:19,
as "Ahmad": 61:6
and as "He that obeys the Apostle obeys Allah." 4:81
And in Qur'an surrah 47 Muhammad.
Surrah 47 was the 9th Madinah surrah and surrah 4 was the 6th Madinah surrah.
After Muhammad had made successful raids on caravans headed for Makkah, and defeated the Jewish tribe of Yathrib (which he then renamed Madinah) he became very confident and even more narcisistic.
Madinah surrahs are: 2, 8, 3, 33, 60, 4, 99, 57, 47, 13, 55, 76, 65, 98, 59, 24, 22, 63, 58, 49, 66, 64, 61, 62, 48, 5, 9, and 110 (in chronolgicl order).
Muhammad's Madinah surrahs are the ones that contain the passages which promote jihad; establish rules on dividing the booty from warfare (Quran 8), grant permission to enslave and rape women captives, permit wife beating (4:34), grant men the right to marry up to 4 women (except Muhammad, of course, he got as many as he wanted): etc. Being Allah's favorite and all, allah spoiled Him rotten!!!
as "apostle": 9:58, 49:4, 49:7, 61:6, 65:10
as "The Apostle or His Apostle: 47:29, 47:33, 33:57, 33:71, 49:14, 49:15, 58:13, 58:20-21, 58:22, 5:55,
as "you" in numerous places including: 3:122, 158-160, 80:3, 40:76, 49:5, 4:80, 28:44-46, 8:30, 73:1, 68:1
as "Allah and His Apostle", "Our Apostle" or "Apostle": 5:19, 58:8, 58:9, 58:12, 4:59, 4:61, 4:64, 4:66, 4:81, 4:83, 5:41, 5:66, 8:24, 8:28, 8:41, 73:15, 59:3-8, 33:21-22,
as "He": 80:1
as "Prophet": 33:53, 33:57, 33:56, 33:59, 58:11, 33:6, 33:13, 60;12, 66:1, 66:3, 66:8, 66:9,
as "a prophet of their own": 50:1
as "I"; 41:6
as "His Servant": 17:1, 72:19,
as "Ahmad": 61:6
and as "He that obeys the Apostle obeys Allah." 4:81
And in Qur'an surrah 47 Muhammad.
Surrah 47 was the 9th Madinah surrah and surrah 4 was the 6th Madinah surrah.
After Muhammad had made successful raids on caravans headed for Makkah, and defeated the Jewish tribe of Yathrib (which he then renamed Madinah) he became very confident and even more narcisistic.
Madinah surrahs are: 2, 8, 3, 33, 60, 4, 99, 57, 47, 13, 55, 76, 65, 98, 59, 24, 22, 63, 58, 49, 66, 64, 61, 62, 48, 5, 9, and 110 (in chronolgicl order).
Muhammad's Madinah surrahs are the ones that contain the passages which promote jihad; establish rules on dividing the booty from warfare (Quran 8), grant permission to enslave and rape women captives, permit wife beating (4:34), grant men the right to marry up to 4 women (except Muhammad, of course, he got as many as he wanted): etc. Being Allah's favorite and all, allah spoiled Him rotten!!!
written by Muslim and proud , March 21, 2012
"Muhammad had made successful raids on caravans headed for Makkah"
Do you believe this to be a fact?
Do you believe this to be a fact?
written by duh_swami , March 21, 2012
Thanks for sorting all those out...Allah thought highly of Mohammad...I don't know what he did to deserve all those favors and all the praise heaped on him...Lucky guy I guess...Mohammad is actually an Allah after thought, Gabriel is the founder of Islam...All Mohammad did was repeat Gabe...Sort of an Edger Bergen, Charlie McCarthy act, with Mohammad the dummy...When Mohammad wasn't sitting on Gabriels lap he was out chasing women, robbing and killing..Whenever Mo got in a bind, Allah covered for him...Pretty sweet deal...
written by Muslim and proud , March 21, 2012
"When Mohammad wasn't sitting on Gabriels lap he was out chasing women, robbing and killing..Whenever Mo got in a bind, Allah covered for him...Pretty sweet deal... "
Not only are an advocate of child killing but you also think the above details are from fairy tales
You're a disgrace and you must castigate yourself
Not only are an advocate of child killing but you also think the above details are from fairy tales
You're a disgrace and you must castigate yourself
written by Archpagan , March 21, 2012
For your information,child marriage was very common in India till the middle of the last century. At the time of marriage, my mother was just 7 and father 14. The idea behind marrying off pre-pubescent girls was that she would be seasoned to accept her marital home as her own. So much so, that her parent, brother and sister in-laws will be dearer than her own parents, brothers and sisters. So, the system was supposed to be behind better family ties among Indians in general and Hindus in particular. But it had a serious flaw - when she comes of age the child bride may find her husband sexually unattractive leading to serious crisis in the entire society.
written by The Fog Horn , March 22, 2012
duh-swami...'By the way, the ark in the ka'aba is possible but highly unlikely...The Ka'aba has been destroyed for one reason or another, and has been rebuilt some 60 times since Mohammad...
No one claims to have seen it, in all those re-builds'
Ever wondered why the floor the people go into is raised up about seven foot? What is on the actual ground floor? There is a staircase going up to the rooftop...it might also go down. There's something there. Maybe that something is the reason for the Kaaba being hidden whenever it's been worked on.
GOD/ALLAH WAS VOLCANIC ACTIVITY.
No one claims to have seen it, in all those re-builds'
Ever wondered why the floor the people go into is raised up about seven foot? What is on the actual ground floor? There is a staircase going up to the rooftop...it might also go down. There's something there. Maybe that something is the reason for the Kaaba being hidden whenever it's been worked on.
GOD/ALLAH WAS VOLCANIC ACTIVITY.
written by Malem , March 22, 2012
Most of the above posts are so far of path from the original topic the administrator should just lock it up. Many on this site who are against Islam (i.e. in favor of controlling the religions of others) and provide false statements about Muslims who have turned to violence etc. Should take a hard look at their own posts above, it is like pack mentality where you have tried to gang up on Muslim and Proud, RZQ , taunting them, prodding them to act out, using vulgarities yoruselves and then turning around and complaining when it comes back at you. You should not do onto others what thyself does not want done to you, an old saying but applicable here.
In the end Rushdie is a margninal writer and while a tremendous imagination is just out trying to gather more attention so that someone may buy his book. I say let him write, when no one buys he will fade off.
In the end Rushdie is a margninal writer and while a tremendous imagination is just out trying to gather more attention so that someone may buy his book. I say let him write, when no one buys he will fade off.
written by Muslim and proud , March 22, 2012
"For your information,child marriage was very common in India till the middle of the last century."
It still is punk. Go check to see how many "millions" of child marriages (girl child brides btw) take place in India - to this day.
It still is punk. Go check to see how many "millions" of child marriages (girl child brides btw) take place in India - to this day.
written by Malem , March 22, 2012
Salaam bro, you are correct it is over 50% in India, 50% in Bangledesh alone, also 30-40% in columbia, brazil...... They are trying to make it an Islamic topic without knowing the facts, again.
written by Muslim and proud , March 22, 2012
Salaam to you as well Bro
It is no surprise to see the bias - no surprise at all.......
Peace
It is no surprise to see the bias - no surprise at all.......
Peace
written by Yibel , March 23, 2012
@ malem: "You should not do onto others what thyself does not want done to you, an old saying but applicable here."
This "old saying" as you put it, is very old indeed. The great Jewish rabbi Hillel circa 100 BCE said this in response to a questioner who asked him: What is the philosophy of the Jews according to your sacred scriptures?
Yah'shua/Jesus (the one Muslims think is Isa) took this a step further when he summed up the Law and the prophets: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
"For whosoever shall do the will of YHVH, the same is my brother, and my sister, and my mother." Mark 3:35
You might gain some insight into Judeo-Christian teachings by reading chapters 5,6, and 7 of the Gospel According to Matthew. "Because straight is the gate and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."
This "old saying" as you put it, is very old indeed. The great Jewish rabbi Hillel circa 100 BCE said this in response to a questioner who asked him: What is the philosophy of the Jews according to your sacred scriptures?
Yah'shua/Jesus (the one Muslims think is Isa) took this a step further when he summed up the Law and the prophets: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
"For whosoever shall do the will of YHVH, the same is my brother, and my sister, and my mother." Mark 3:35
You might gain some insight into Judeo-Christian teachings by reading chapters 5,6, and 7 of the Gospel According to Matthew. "Because straight is the gate and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."
written by then lie , March 23, 2012
@yibel
christian deceive all people.
Mark 3:35) For whoever does the things God (Allah)wills is My brother and sister and mother.in Indonesia the book translate Allah. they use Allah from Islam God. to deceive people that the christian god is Allah, well now you say Yahweh.
yibel say.For whosoever shall do the will of YHVH, the same is my brother, and my sister, and my mother." Islam different with your god.
christian deceive all people.
Mark 3:35) For whoever does the things God (Allah)wills is My brother and sister and mother.in Indonesia the book translate Allah. they use Allah from Islam God. to deceive people that the christian god is Allah, well now you say Yahweh.
yibel say.For whosoever shall do the will of YHVH, the same is my brother, and my sister, and my mother." Islam different with your god.
written by then lie , March 23, 2012
Markus 3:35) Barangsiapa melakukan kehendak Allah, dialah saudara-Ku laki-laki, dialah saudara-Ku perempuan, dialah ibu-Ku."
Yibel say YHVH.Christiian not worship YHWH.They Worship Paul.eat Pig and not circumsition.yesus(prophet Isa )not eat pig and circumsition, and not worship god jews(YHWH).
Leviticus 3:3) And from the sacrifice of the peace offering, an offering made by fire to the Lord, he shall offer the fat that covers and is upon the entrails,
I think your child likes mc donald or yibel you likes this frankincence
Leviiticus 2:(1) WHEN ANYONE offers a cereal offering to the Lord, it shall be of fine flour; and he shall pour oil over it and lay frankincense on it. of course no.coz this is menu for spirit(satan) in junggle (in java in Mount Kawi).you obey this that means you worship satan.this is in your holy book.Gospel.embarassing.
Back to islam you will save forever.
Holy Quran say 5721. Race one with another for forgiveness from your Lord (Allah) and a Garden whereof the breadth is as the breadth of the heavens and the earth, which is in store for those who believe in Allah and His messengers. Such is the bounty of Allah,
which He bestoweth upon whom He will, and Allah is of infinite bounty. back to islam all people now back to Islam.
Prof DR Yahya Waloni X Christian Priest back to Islam
Prof DR Tagatat Tajasen Bhudist back to Islam
DR Irene Handono x Christian Priest back to Islam
Cat Steven (Yusuf Islam)Intelectual and artists jews back to islam etc.islam that dalil hujjah is strong say Lailahaillallah there is no god except Allah/there is no god worthy of worship except Allah
Yibel say YHVH.Christiian not worship YHWH.They Worship Paul.eat Pig and not circumsition.yesus(prophet Isa )not eat pig and circumsition, and not worship god jews(YHWH).
Leviticus 3:3) And from the sacrifice of the peace offering, an offering made by fire to the Lord, he shall offer the fat that covers and is upon the entrails,
I think your child likes mc donald or yibel you likes this frankincence
Leviiticus 2:(1) WHEN ANYONE offers a cereal offering to the Lord, it shall be of fine flour; and he shall pour oil over it and lay frankincense on it. of course no.coz this is menu for spirit(satan) in junggle (in java in Mount Kawi).you obey this that means you worship satan.this is in your holy book.Gospel.embarassing.
Back to islam you will save forever.
Holy Quran say 5721. Race one with another for forgiveness from your Lord (Allah) and a Garden whereof the breadth is as the breadth of the heavens and the earth, which is in store for those who believe in Allah and His messengers. Such is the bounty of Allah,
which He bestoweth upon whom He will, and Allah is of infinite bounty. back to islam all people now back to Islam.
Prof DR Yahya Waloni X Christian Priest back to Islam
Prof DR Tagatat Tajasen Bhudist back to Islam
DR Irene Handono x Christian Priest back to Islam
Cat Steven (Yusuf Islam)Intelectual and artists jews back to islam etc.islam that dalil hujjah is strong say Lailahaillallah there is no god except Allah/there is no god worthy of worship except Allah
written by then lie , March 23, 2012
Islam is better.
Allah is my God.
you choice this or Leviticus above.think better.though both good
Holy Quran say:
22:37. Daging-daging unta dan darahnya itu sekali-kali tidak dapat mencapai (keridaan) Allah, tetapi ketakwaan dari kamulah yang dapat mencapainya. Demikianlah Allah telah menundukkannya untuk kamu supaya kamu mengagungkan Allah terhadap hidayah-Nya kepada kamu. Dan berilah kabar gembira kepada orang-orang yang berbuat baik.
S U R A T A L - M U ' M I N U N
23:14. Kemudian air mani itu Kami jadikan segumpal darah, lalu segumpal darah itu Kami jadikan segumpal daging, dan segumpal daging itu Kami jadikan tulang belulang, lalu tulang belulang itu Kami bungkus dengan daging. Kemudian Kami jadikan dia makhluk yang (berbentuk) lain. Maka Maha Suci lah Allah, Pencipta Yang Paling Baik.
23:14. Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators!
Allah is my God.
you choice this or Leviticus above.think better.though both good
Holy Quran say:
22:37. Daging-daging unta dan darahnya itu sekali-kali tidak dapat mencapai (keridaan) Allah, tetapi ketakwaan dari kamulah yang dapat mencapainya. Demikianlah Allah telah menundukkannya untuk kamu supaya kamu mengagungkan Allah terhadap hidayah-Nya kepada kamu. Dan berilah kabar gembira kepada orang-orang yang berbuat baik.
S U R A T A L - M U ' M I N U N
23:14. Kemudian air mani itu Kami jadikan segumpal darah, lalu segumpal darah itu Kami jadikan segumpal daging, dan segumpal daging itu Kami jadikan tulang belulang, lalu tulang belulang itu Kami bungkus dengan daging. Kemudian Kami jadikan dia makhluk yang (berbentuk) lain. Maka Maha Suci lah Allah, Pencipta Yang Paling Baik.
23:14. Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators!
written by then lie , March 23, 2012
37. Their flesh and their blood reach not Allah, but the devotion from you reacheth Him. Thus have We made them subject unto you that ye may magnify Allah that He hath guided you. And give good tidings (O Muhammad) to the good.
written by bundypig , March 23, 2012
he has been touched by the holy spirit, sounds like a Southern Baptist lolol
written by Yibel , March 23, 2012
You are definitely a little Al-Mu'min from southeast Asia. Your ancestors were so easily converted because they didn't have any knowledge to refute the Muhammadans' lying Qur'an. You are really worshiping Muhammad. Even Allah and his angels "pray peace to" i.e. 'worship' Muhammad (Quran 33.56).
As for 23:14: Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators!
The clot referred to in this verse is a clot of blood that the Babylonian god Marduk used to create the human race in order to have someone to worship him and the other gods. This story is from the Babylonian creation myth. The clots of blood came from the husband of the great dragon Tiamat. Marduk killed her to create the 7 earths and the 7 skies/heavens. Seven was a magic number to the Babylonians who built the tower of Babel, seven stories high, to reach the heavens. Muhammad got his Pharaoh stories all mixed up with this Babylonian tower and the visier of Persia and a whole bunch of other mistakes. The Qur'an is full of errors, but your ancestors didn't know about Mesopotamian mythology so they fell for the whole Islam crap: hook, line and sinker.
23:116 Exalted be Al-Malik The King, The Keeper of Hell , Al-Haqq, The Truth There is no god but Him, the Lord of the Glorious Throne (Marduk)
(Al-Malik, Biblical Molech, was the god of fire in the Babylonian mythology. He was affiliated with the Temple of al-Uzza, the goddess of human sacrifice. He became ONE with Marduk, and was one of the models Muhammad used for his Allah.)
Educate yourself and be free. The internet is full of knowledge. Read about the history of Islam. But I warn you, it AIN'T a pretty story. 1400 years of murder among the rival Muslim clans, hundreds of attacks on Christian civilization, 700 years of mass murder and enslavement on the Indian subcontinant, 100s of millions killed and enslaved; mass murder on the African continant, again 100s of million killed and enslaved. 1400 years of brutality, enslavement, subjugation and murder. Buddhists of Afganistan - all gone; Hindus of Bangledesh, almost all gone; Hindus of Pakistan, almost all gone. No more Zorastrians in Iran, wiped out. No Jews in the entire Middle East, driven out; now the remaining Christians are the Muslims latest target. Read the news! Get informed! Educate yourself! You have no excuse for being so ignorant.
As for 23:14: Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators!
The clot referred to in this verse is a clot of blood that the Babylonian god Marduk used to create the human race in order to have someone to worship him and the other gods. This story is from the Babylonian creation myth. The clots of blood came from the husband of the great dragon Tiamat. Marduk killed her to create the 7 earths and the 7 skies/heavens. Seven was a magic number to the Babylonians who built the tower of Babel, seven stories high, to reach the heavens. Muhammad got his Pharaoh stories all mixed up with this Babylonian tower and the visier of Persia and a whole bunch of other mistakes. The Qur'an is full of errors, but your ancestors didn't know about Mesopotamian mythology so they fell for the whole Islam crap: hook, line and sinker.
23:116 Exalted be Al-Malik The King, The Keeper of Hell , Al-Haqq, The Truth There is no god but Him, the Lord of the Glorious Throne (Marduk)
(Al-Malik, Biblical Molech, was the god of fire in the Babylonian mythology. He was affiliated with the Temple of al-Uzza, the goddess of human sacrifice. He became ONE with Marduk, and was one of the models Muhammad used for his Allah.)
Educate yourself and be free. The internet is full of knowledge. Read about the history of Islam. But I warn you, it AIN'T a pretty story. 1400 years of murder among the rival Muslim clans, hundreds of attacks on Christian civilization, 700 years of mass murder and enslavement on the Indian subcontinant, 100s of millions killed and enslaved; mass murder on the African continant, again 100s of million killed and enslaved. 1400 years of brutality, enslavement, subjugation and murder. Buddhists of Afganistan - all gone; Hindus of Bangledesh, almost all gone; Hindus of Pakistan, almost all gone. No more Zorastrians in Iran, wiped out. No Jews in the entire Middle East, driven out; now the remaining Christians are the Muslims latest target. Read the news! Get informed! Educate yourself! You have no excuse for being so ignorant.
written by Kafirwala , March 23, 2012
Dear Yibel, you are doing a wonderful job in exposing the greatest hoax on earth known as Islam. I request you to kindly continue the good work. There are yet a good number of muslims whose brain cells are not destroyed by the mullahs and the so called scholars of Islam. Some of them may be salvaged by your writing and the many articles that appear in this site. But don't ever entertain the delusion that the totally brain dead zombies like then lie, M&P, rzq et al will ever try to educate themselves. They have already been educated to the level of idiotic islamists and no further education from any kafir they need. They will only play the game of deception by just telling lies and often being in the denial mode. The third rate scoundrels like the accursed M & P will try hooliganism, when nothing else will work. The fake civil champion Malem will run away hiding his tail and bury his face in the sand dunes. This is the way these religious bigots are taught to answer criticism in democratic countries and forums. In their own countries how these rascals will behave and react to your criticism, I think you know without my telling. You just cannot expect anything more from these idiots. Trying to educate these pigs is simply a waste of time and energy. But of course, there are many muslims whose brain cells have not been fully damaged. They will of course find out what a hoax their religion is. For them, at least, you should continue your good work.
written by Muslim and proud , March 23, 2012
Trying to educate these pigs is simply a waste of time and energy.
How do you intend to deal with Kafirwala?
Ps. I hope this is not too much of an uncomfortable question for you.
written by Mozlems , March 23, 2012
Child marriage does not mean the bride is sent to the Grooms family.
Dont talk about something untill you know the full tradition.
The girl is not sent to the boys place till she is grown up. Moreover they do not follow sharia and the official age of marriage is 18 for girls and 21 for boys.
even with child marriage the marriage is consumated in another function or part of marriage and it is Gauna.
Read on about Gauna ceremony on web and one link as follows.
What you also need to know is that child marriage does not take place between 6 year old girl and 52 year old men not including muslims.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauna
Dont talk about something untill you know the full tradition.
The girl is not sent to the boys place till she is grown up. Moreover they do not follow sharia and the official age of marriage is 18 for girls and 21 for boys.
even with child marriage the marriage is consumated in another function or part of marriage and it is Gauna.
Read on about Gauna ceremony on web and one link as follows.
What you also need to know is that child marriage does not take place between 6 year old girl and 52 year old men not including muslims.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauna
written by fineliving56 , March 23, 2012
I know child marriages has not been practiced, just by the Muslims …. other culture has been doing the same long before … but there is huge difference and it is important .
Muslims allow girls marriages to old adults with heavy pockets … like I mentioned … 11 to 35 ….
Your grandmother was 7 and she was married to your grandfather when he was 13 years boy … who most likely did not consummate the marriage until BOTH are old enough … that makes a whole lot of difference ….
Mozlem just brought a good example .
The girl would not have been terrified as much, and she would have not been traumatized as My grandmother did and all most girls in Muslim countries who marry to old men.
Molestation and rapes of little girls disguised as marriage following the foot steps of Muhammad has to stop in the Muslim world …
shame on the Muslims who keep silence about such an imortant issue
Every few month we hear of deaths of child prides to old men who ravish the girls …. if they did not die … they will be ruined for life.
Muslims allow girls marriages to old adults with heavy pockets … like I mentioned … 11 to 35 ….
Your grandmother was 7 and she was married to your grandfather when he was 13 years boy … who most likely did not consummate the marriage until BOTH are old enough … that makes a whole lot of difference ….
Mozlem just brought a good example .
The girl would not have been terrified as much, and she would have not been traumatized as My grandmother did and all most girls in Muslim countries who marry to old men.
Molestation and rapes of little girls disguised as marriage following the foot steps of Muhammad has to stop in the Muslim world …
shame on the Muslims who keep silence about such an imortant issue
Every few month we hear of deaths of child prides to old men who ravish the girls …. if they did not die … they will be ruined for life.
written by Muslim and proud , March 23, 2012
Here is some 'sacred' hindu text:
http://sacred-texts.com/hin/manu/manu09.htm
All you have to do now is find where in Islam it says that a man (whatever age) SHALL marry a girl of 6 and consummate the marriage at the age of 9.
Good luck.
Ps. Be sure to check number 17 which says, regarding women:
94. A man, aged thirty years, shall marry a maiden of twelve who pleases him, or a man of twenty-four a girl eight years of age; if (the performance of) his duties would (otherwise) be impeded, (he must marry) sooner.
http://sacred-texts.com/hin/manu/manu09.htm
All you have to do now is find where in Islam it says that a man (whatever age) SHALL marry a girl of 6 and consummate the marriage at the age of 9.
Good luck.
Ps. Be sure to check number 17 which says, regarding women:
17. (When creating them) Manu allotted to women (a love of their) bed, (of their) seat and (of) ornament, impure desires, wrath, dishonesty, malice, and bad conduct.
written by Malem , March 23, 2012
Just becuase someon in your family chose to marry a child and justified it in their minds , or that someone you know practiced the same, does not mean it is allowed in Islam. It is not, not one person thus far has pointed to a place in the Quran that states this is allowed or is recommended. If we judged the religion based on one persons behavior we would have to dispose of all, as they all contain humans who are all open to msitakes/sins etc..
written by fineliving56 , March 23, 2012
Yes I did ….. and I have brought the Aya that allows such a thing, before in Quran …
I am not going to do it again … Because you ignore when I did ….and you went off to defend a Muslim man who approves of killing criticize of Muhammad like me and most people here …
How could defend such a thing anyway ? …
malam you do not fool me with your civil approach …
Look for it your self and then post it …. and then we discuss it …
BTW … I know that Aya by heart like many …
I am not going to do it again … Because you ignore when I did ….and you went off to defend a Muslim man who approves of killing criticize of Muhammad like me and most people here …
How could defend such a thing anyway ? …
malam you do not fool me with your civil approach …
Look for it your self and then post it …. and then we discuss it …
BTW … I know that Aya by heart like many …
written by Muslim and proud , March 23, 2012
BTW … I know that Aya by heart like many …
An ex-muslim still know Aya's by heart......
No change in your situation then.
Oh and please feel free to share, so I can refute you.
written by Mozlem , March 23, 2012
You wrote
"Here is some 'sacred' Hindu text: " from Manusamhita
Please check the age or year it was written?
As far as the historians quote it is 200c.e. AKA 200 BC.
I also believe you did not notice the difference between the facts of "focus on the "should" of dharma rather than on the actuality of everyday practice in India at the time."
Here you find two aspects
1. "Should" rather than what was actually happening or was followed.
2. The time or era this was recommended in the year 200 BC or 200 years before common era.
This pre Manusamhita culture which is from year 200 C.E. is different from the original Vedic culture prevelent in India much before. Due to these changes and some clash between Vedas and Manusahita quotes from Manusamhita are regularly used to bash Indian culture "which you also tried".
Trust you are able to differentiate between what is recommended vs what is/was actually followed. In one of your earlier posts you pointed out about child marriage which is different to the one you pointed out in Manusamhita. Child marriage in India unlike what happens in some Muslim cultures, is not consummated as the girl is not sent to grooms family or allowed to sleep with him. You can independently verify this. If you want to know more about the actual Vedic customs (with open mind and out of curiosity and have patience) I can point you to some Urls.
I don’t see any point in regurgitating recycled stuff. As regards to the marriage age in Islam using from references from Quran and tafsirs etc. there is more than one fatwa contradicts what you and Malman said.
"Here is some 'sacred' Hindu text: " from Manusamhita
Please check the age or year it was written?
As far as the historians quote it is 200c.e. AKA 200 BC.
I also believe you did not notice the difference between the facts of "focus on the "should" of dharma rather than on the actuality of everyday practice in India at the time."
Here you find two aspects
1. "Should" rather than what was actually happening or was followed.
2. The time or era this was recommended in the year 200 BC or 200 years before common era.
This pre Manusamhita culture which is from year 200 C.E. is different from the original Vedic culture prevelent in India much before. Due to these changes and some clash between Vedas and Manusahita quotes from Manusamhita are regularly used to bash Indian culture "which you also tried".
Trust you are able to differentiate between what is recommended vs what is/was actually followed. In one of your earlier posts you pointed out about child marriage which is different to the one you pointed out in Manusamhita. Child marriage in India unlike what happens in some Muslim cultures, is not consummated as the girl is not sent to grooms family or allowed to sleep with him. You can independently verify this. If you want to know more about the actual Vedic customs (with open mind and out of curiosity and have patience) I can point you to some Urls.
I don’t see any point in regurgitating recycled stuff. As regards to the marriage age in Islam using from references from Quran and tafsirs etc. there is more than one fatwa contradicts what you and Malman said.
written by Mozlems , March 23, 2012
Defending Mo marriage to ayesha
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/3291.htm
Underage marriage in Arab world
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/2679.htm
Defending marrying underage girls in Saudi
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/2399.htm
12 year old married with 30 year old man and marriage consummated
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/2107.htm
Common law marriage aka muta travellers marriage etc.
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1932.htm
Another marriage at 12
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1018.htm
Fatwa authorising child abuse from clerics
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/978.htm
And the list goes on and on...
I did not say LoL for it is not possible o cover all in one LoL but if you see the writing is all over on the wall for it is Muslims speaking all this and they are clerics pious and devout Muslims so they must know something which you dont know.
They have a public face presence and a name unlike who lurk in shadows here and play on the sides.
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/3291.htm
Underage marriage in Arab world
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/2679.htm
Defending marrying underage girls in Saudi
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/2399.htm
12 year old married with 30 year old man and marriage consummated
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/2107.htm
Common law marriage aka muta travellers marriage etc.
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1932.htm
Another marriage at 12
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1018.htm
Fatwa authorising child abuse from clerics
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/978.htm
And the list goes on and on...
I did not say LoL for it is not possible o cover all in one LoL but if you see the writing is all over on the wall for it is Muslims speaking all this and they are clerics pious and devout Muslims so they must know something which you dont know.
They have a public face presence and a name unlike who lurk in shadows here and play on the sides.
written by Scrutator , March 24, 2012
Let muslims who want, come out of Islam with no danger of them being killed !
Only when ex-muslims can live in muslim countries with dignity and without the fear of retribution will the world believe Islam has become civilized !
Only when ex-muslims can live in muslim countries with dignity and without the fear of retribution will the world believe Islam has become civilized !
written by Scrutator , March 24, 2012
When those who DO NOT believe in "only Allah is worthy of worship" and atheists are treated with dignity and equality by muslims in muslim-majority countries, only then will muslims and muslim countries would have joined the ranks of civilized humans !
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It is also food for thought for Imran Khan in Pakistan !
Yes Mr Khan, it is really brave for salman to say what he did in Delhi !!!