My book “Islam Dismantled: The Mental Illness of Prophet Muhammad” has been published and is now available for purchase online and in various book stores. In this article, I intend to introduce the book by discussing a few salient features. In the market there is no shortage of books critical to Islam, but why this particular book is worth the reader’s attention? What is there in this book that makes it unique?
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This book dismantles Islam by exposing the imposture of Muhammad. The historical Muhammad is too privileged to be formally evaluated in the fashion a clinical psychologist would like. But given some of his well-known documented behaviors, it is certain that he had a conflict-ridden psychological dependence on others. He equated love with weakness and feared intimacy. He inflicted pain and abuse on others as his second nature. He was unable to give his followers a reason to live, so he gave them enough reasons to die – die in Allah’s name to enter paradise. He could not convince the Arabs to choose his religion based upon its merits, so he threatened them with damnation. The religion he preached was more about fantasy, less about proof. A person who, among other atrocities, orders, and then watches, the beheading of 800 innocent people, and beds the wife of a man whom he had tortured to death on the same night cannot be considered psychologically normal. Common sense alone tells us that a 51-year-old man, who marries a 6-year-old girl, is abnormal. The notion that a godly revelation would focus on the sexual desires of a lecherous man is really disgusting. No religion in the world has ever destroyed family ties as Muhammad has done in Islam.
Muhammad had shown all the symptoms of his lunacy and his prophetic claim was based on the quicksand of grand delusion. But the irony is that the entire religion of Islam is based on the truth claim of such a man, who could easily swing back and forth between the two extremes – reality and fantasy.
Muslims believe that Muhammad was the noblest person ever to walk on Earth. In the Qur’an, Allah praises Muhammad as the best of the creation, an excellent example (Q: 33.21), exalted above other Prophets in degrees (Q: 2.253), the preferred one (Q: 17.55), a mercy to the worlds (Q: 21.107), and the one, who has risen to a praised estate (Q: 17.79). But the five oldest and most trusted Islamic sources do not portray Muhammad a superior being or any kind Godly mercy for mankind. The sources reveal that he was a thief, a liar, an assassin, a pedophile, a shameless womanizer, a promiscuous husband, a rapist, a mass-murderer, a desert pirate, a warmonger, a spineless coward and a calculating and ruthless tyrant. It is certainly not the character profile of the founder of a true religion.
Religion was just a cause for Muhammad. He actually worshipped his own image – not God. He had created Allah in his own image and attributed to that God the qualities of his own self. Allah was a plastic entity that Muhammad shaped to meet his needs. That is why Allah seems a multidimensional entity in the Qur’an, an obedient servant that Muhammad used on all occasions, from managing the harem affairs of his wives to swearing to punish mercilessly whosoever disagrees with His beloved messenger.
In his religious endeavor, Muhammad made mistakes and was defeated many times, but he did not give up. He corrected himself and moved ahead by abrogating verses with suitable additions. No one can deny that on several occasions he intentionally did harm knowing perfectly well that he was obeying his own will and not an inspiration from God. He talked much about paradise, hell, virtue and sin; but his actions did not show that he had really believed whatever he was saying. He lied on several occasions and encouraged lying to prosper his religion. No doubt, Muhammad had mastered the art of deception. He never gave a second thought to compromise morality for political gain. In his mind, there was no other determinant. So, he raged when confronted with disagreement or opposition, or, anything that threatened his worldview.
Muhammad was not capable of introspection, i.e., he was not capable of judging his actions from the outside. His critics made him realize that there was a “grandiosity gap” (between his self-image and reality), which made him helpless. Since he could not win in scholarly debates with his critics, he deceitfully got them assassinated. This was his only way to deal with all his intellectual opponents.
Critics often ask one question: Was Muhammad a knowing fraud or he genuinely believed that the revelations were coming from a God? No matter whatever is the truth, it simply does not make much sense. Even if he was sincere, it does not relieve him from the criminal charges he is liable of. If a racially prejudiced white man “sincerely” believes that blacks should not get equal rights in the civilized society, his “sincerity” does not affect our moral condemnation of his belief. Similarly, we condemn those Hindus who still believe in untouchability. In the same way, Muhammad cannot get away in any case. If he was not a knowing fraud, then we can say that he was capable of self-deception. He used to bring messages freely from his God to justify political murders, assassinations, raid, booty, pedophilia, abundant sex even to solve his domestic problems, which are clear evidences that he was an absolute fake; his sincerity means nothing. Secondly, he was perfectly capable of distinguishing right from wrong and anticipating the results of his actions and their influence on the society. Though he caused great misery to others, he hardly felt responsible for them. Therefore, he should be held liable for his deeds and exploits.
Muhammad had used Islam to pervade Muslim psyche, and possessed their mind. Muslims are not slaves of Allah; they are slaves of Muhammad. For Muslims, Muhammad is their drug, their addiction. Without Muhammad, it is a world of black and white. With Muhammad, it is a colorful show complete with drama, thrills, fun and full of excitement. While offering five obligatory prayers, Muslims think that they are praying to God, but actually their prayers go to Muhammad. Muhammad is the real God of Islam, not Allah. Muslims simply cannot dare to cross the narrow limits specified by the Qur’an and ahadith. They can view the world only through the eyes of Muhammad, and it continues throughout their lives. Once belief systems are rigidly instilled – they are virtually impossible to modify belatedly. The sad part is that Muslims are not even aware of it, like we read in the science fictions of aliens snatching human bodies. Muhammad had invaded and modified the minds of Muslims and brought them to his bubble universe to serve him. This way, when Muslims adopt Muhammad’s way of thinking, they become Muhammad’s replica – as destructive as Muhammad.
Muhammad obsessively believed in his own infallibility, brilliance, heroism, and perfection. He gave the Qur’an as the only evidence of his prophethood. At the same time, deep inside in his mind he knew that unlike the Biblical Prophets, he could not perform miracles. He knew that his Qur’an could not withstand criticisms. He knew that his religion could not be morally and spiritually at par with other established religions of Arabia, like Christianity and Judaism; but he did not dare confront the truth. In fact, he even could not admit the truth to himself. He only imagined that he was on a divine mission, a messenger of Allah. This is how he failed the “reality test” – he was simply unable to distinguish the actual (external world) from the imagined (the internal world of thoughts and feelings) by making logical analysis of the religion he was preaching or allowing others to do this. For him, the reality became shadow and the shadow became reality.
Islam is an extremely defenseless religion and hence vulnerable to collapse. "Defenseless" in the sense that there is not a single atom of truth in it to support. This failed religion, originated from the grand delusion of a malignant Narcissist, is the biggest hoax humanity has ever seen. It is like a house of cards – looks tall, big, mighty and gigantic but the base is very weak. The day when criticism will have dismantled piece by piece this enormous falsehood of Islam, the whole edifice will come crumbling down. Then the Muslims will ask themselves how this enormous falsehood could have forced acceptance for such a long time. I can already see some cracks in this gigantic structure.
Muhammad’s actions and commands in Allah’s name are immortalized in the Qur’an and Hadith collections. These are not only shocking in the standard of our time, but many Meccans during those days were equally shocked by seeing his brutal performance in the name of God. Muhammad succeeded in his prophetic mission, because there was no powerful Government in Arabia to stop him. If Muhammad had been living under Roman rule, surely his mission would have resulted in losing his life and his religion would have been stamped out by strong military action.
Probably, the most terrible legacy of Muhammad was his rigid firmness that the Qur’anic revelations were the literal word of God and the significance of these verses are eternal. The irony is that in the entire history of Islam, the Qur’an fails to give one solid argument at its favor that cannot be successfully refuted. A nation might read the Qur’an and explain minutely every word for centuries without advancing one step on the road to progress. In the tiresome repetition of the mindless blabbering of a mentally deranged illiterate person, the human mind loses its elasticity, its sagacity, its constructivism and its curiosity. Through Freudian analysis, it can be shown that the prohibition of critical thinking at one point leads to an impoverishment of a person’s critical ability in other spheres of thought and thereby obstructs the power of reason. Consequently, the intellect becomes atrophied and incapable of an original effort. This is the cause of intellectual bankruptcy of the Muslim nations.
The self-serving messages of an illiterate seventh-century malignant Narcissist passed down to Muslims generation after generation as unquestionable word of Allah, and as time passed, men were found to take up these words and make them into weapons to cause injustice, oppression, domination, and for conversion by force. Islam is a bankrupt ideology from the standpoint of humanism. The early Arab invaders were no way better than controlled mass-murderers. They were hard-wired to cheat, kill and loot, and had transformed Islam from a religion into an organized crime. In general, they were brainwashed by Muhammad’s teaching to inflict great suffering on other humans without feeling any remorse. The prodigious success of the Arab conquest proves nothing. Attila the Hun, Genseric the Vandal king, Gengis Khan and Alexander the Great brought many nations into subjection; yet civilization owes them absolutely nothing. A conquering people only exercise a civilizing influence when it itself is more civilized than the people conquered.
In this book, I have no intention of testing God. I just want to test Muhammad’s claim to the title of messenger of God, because I refuse to accept his claim blindly. Throughout the recorded history of humankind, many imposters have posed as “god-man” with well-packaged gimmickry and fooled us. Anyone who claims to be a Prophet must be prepared to have his prophecy tested. The aim of this book is to diagnose Muhammad by making use of his biographical data and through the application of psychological theory and research. This psychobiography is all about the "why" – the question of motives. I don’t want to tell the story of Muhammad, but unveil the story behind the story. My intention is to uncover the private motives behind his public acts. This book presents two theses: 1) Muhammad suffered from malignant narcissism; and 2) he was also affected by neurotic disorder which caused regular psychiatric delusions.
I wrote this book after three years of hard research. I have analyzed the Prophet of Islam from a perspective by delving into the psychological impulses that controlled Muhammad and made him the phenomenon that he became. For writing this book, I took references from various well known psychoanalysts, e.g., Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, James Masterson, Sandy Hotchkiss, Sam Vaknin, Martha Stout, a combined work by Cynthia Zayn & Kevin Dibble, just to mention a few. In this process, I have solved many mysteries of Islam, which remained mystery ever since the birth of Islam. Therefore, there are many details in this book, which are my original findings, not explained by any critic before. For this reason, this book will offer readers something new, despite hundreds of books they may have read on Islam.
While promoting the book on Facebook, I have already received a death threat from a pro-Islam group for insulting their Prophet. What makes me sad is that some Christians and Hindus are also accusing me of offending Muslim sensibilities. They want me to withdraw the book from the market. I understand, objective historical research on Muhammad has long been severely handicapped both by the resistance of the Muslim societies to Western analysis of their sacred traditions and by the apologetic approaches of many Western scholars who had compromised their investigation for fear of offending Muslim sensibilities. Therefore, most of the books today tell us about Muhammad of faith not the Muhammad of history.
Let me make it clear that I have absolutely no hate for Muslims, whom I consider brethren in humanity. I wish to have an intimate talk with Muslims. Many of my close friends are Muslims. I certainly don’t hate Muslims; instead, I sympathize with them for being the first victims of Islam. The ideology of Islam has abducted Muslims from the family of our common humanity and put into a mental slavery upon them. The same diagnosis applies to the Arabs also. Though they did not have to adopt foreign customs and language, which made the transition to Islam less disruptive, they too were cut off from their original pagan culture. Just break the myth of Muhammad and try to analyze the Muhammad of history, and then you will see the obvious falsehood of Islam. I have absolutely no intention to offend anyone; I just want to tell the truth. I just tried to present Muhammad as who he was in truth. Muhammad used religion to deceive you. Muhammad separated you from real God of the human race, the real Creator. The deception, death, and damnation of men were Muhammad’s way of realizing his ambitions. He was not a Prophet, but a disgusting imposter in a divine robe. He had valued you when he found that you could advance his religion, but damned and punished you at the next moment if you did not comply with his whims and wishes. He treated you as lifeless objects, and manipulated you cunningly as if he had conquered you, “chained” you, conditioned you and moulded you. He exploited you as if he “knew” that he could do anything he wanted them to do. Throughout his prophetic endeavor, he derived his self-worth from you, as if he would collapse and self-annihilate without them. As long you practice Islam, you are a slave of Muhammad.
To my observation, most Muslims know virtually nothing about the Prophet of Islam because an honest biography of Muhammad was never written for them. There are enough pious and totally unobjective traditions of Muhammad preserved by the Muslim religious community, but what is lacking in these sources is honesty. Even today, numerous works in Arabic and other Muslim majority languages appear each year. These books try to portray Muhammad as a holy man, a seer, visionary and miracle worker, which are far away from truth. The reason, Muslims cannot write an honest biography of their Prophet is that the real Muhammad is a taboo subject. That’s why Muslims learn about the Muhammad of faith, not the Muhammad of history. My book will help the Muslims to see the truth Muhammad.
Lastly, as conscientious human beings, we cannot accept an ideology that enslaves the human mind and turn its followers into haters and terrorists. Our enemy is Islam, not Muslims. My mission is to undo this doctrine of hate and murder. My only intention is see Muslims freed from the evil grip of Islam, so that they can return back into the fold of humanity.
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written by rzq , February 19, 2012
As for the argument that Muslims find themselves on the shit heap right now is because of Islam is false. It's not because of but because of a lack of it. Throughout the 14 centuries we have had high highs and low lows. We are now going through a low. So as an enemy of Islam it is prime time for you to attack. But rest assured we Muslims know exactly why we are in the state we are in and who put us there.
I assure you that the Islamic giant is beginning to awake from its slumber! It will not be long now before we havec those high highs again! The cycle is turning!
In a couole of years you will see!
I assure you that the Islamic giant is beginning to awake from its slumber! It will not be long now before we havec those high highs again! The cycle is turning!
In a couole of years you will see!
written by Fineliving56's son , February 19, 2012
rzq wrote: "I love the line about you have nothing against Muslims but detest Islam. Bigots use that one all the time! As a coloured man in Europe, If I got a penny every time some bigot said " I ain't got a problem with darkies but......" then they justify it by saying " alot of my friends are so and so. Typical behaviour."
You have falsely equated Muslims with darkies. Why is it a false equivalency? Because muslims can become exmuslims but darkies can not become exdarkies. A religion can be removed from a person, but a race can not.
So the reason that the author, and others, say "I have nothing against muslims but I detest Islam," is that we have nothing against people but we detest anti-rational memes.
Remember that anti-rational memes can be unlearned.
Are you ready to be open-minded with respect to this anti-rational meme-complex called Islam?
You have falsely equated Muslims with darkies. Why is it a false equivalency? Because muslims can become exmuslims but darkies can not become exdarkies. A religion can be removed from a person, but a race can not.
So the reason that the author, and others, say "I have nothing against muslims but I detest Islam," is that we have nothing against people but we detest anti-rational memes.
Remember that anti-rational memes can be unlearned.
Are you ready to be open-minded with respect to this anti-rational meme-complex called Islam?
written by Machmoed , February 19, 2012
I assure you that the Islamic giant is beginning to awake from its slumber! It will not be long now before we havec those high highs again! The cycle is turning!
In a couole of years you will see!
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Wake up rzq, you're daydreaming again.
In a couole of years you will see!
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Wake up rzq, you're daydreaming again.
written by Fineliving56's son , February 19, 2012
rzq wrote: "It proves to me as a Muslim he [Mohamed] did his job right. 14 centuries on he is still able to get that reaction from the enemies of Islam. To me that's a beautiful thing. To the Muslims he will always be a source of comfort. Get your head around that If you can!!!!"
I'm trying to do just that. But I'm having trouble.
Why do you think that Mohamed's job was to piss off nonmuslims? I thought his job was to get nonmuslims to convert to Islam. They won't convert if they are pissed at Mohamed.
And you're saying that muslims will be comforted by the idea that nonmuslims hate Mohamed. Why? Won't that prevent conversions to Islam? Why would they want that? I thought muslims want Islam to grow.
I'm trying to do just that. But I'm having trouble.
Why do you think that Mohamed's job was to piss off nonmuslims? I thought his job was to get nonmuslims to convert to Islam. They won't convert if they are pissed at Mohamed.
And you're saying that muslims will be comforted by the idea that nonmuslims hate Mohamed. Why? Won't that prevent conversions to Islam? Why would they want that? I thought muslims want Islam to grow.
written by Fineliving56's son , February 19, 2012
rzq wrote: "As for the argument that Muslims find themselves on the shit heap right now is because of Islam is false. It's not because of but because of a lack of it. Throughout the 14 centuries we have had high highs and low lows. We are now going through a low. So as an enemy of Islam it is prime time for you to attack. But rest assured we Muslims know exactly why we are in the state we are in and who put us there. I assure you that the Islamic giant is beginning to awake from its slumber! It will not be long now before we havec those high highs again! The cycle is turning!
In a couole of years you will see!"
You are experiencing doublethink.
The subject at hand is the cause of the situation that Islamic societies find them selves in today. So what is that cause?
First you said, "It's not because of but because of a lack of [Islam]." Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this means that you're saying that muslims are not as religious as they used to be. So you're putting the responsibility squares only yourselves.
Second you said, "But rest assured we Muslims know exactly why we are in the state we are in and who put us there." Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this means that you're saying that muslims are in the situations their in because of an outside force. I'm guessing you mean the West. So you're shifting the responsibility on someone else.
So which is it? Is it your fault? Or their fault? Or are you saying that its both?
In a couole of years you will see!"
You are experiencing doublethink.
The subject at hand is the cause of the situation that Islamic societies find them selves in today. So what is that cause?
First you said, "It's not because of but because of a lack of [Islam]." Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this means that you're saying that muslims are not as religious as they used to be. So you're putting the responsibility squares only yourselves.
Second you said, "But rest assured we Muslims know exactly why we are in the state we are in and who put us there." Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this means that you're saying that muslims are in the situations their in because of an outside force. I'm guessing you mean the West. So you're shifting the responsibility on someone else.
So which is it? Is it your fault? Or their fault? Or are you saying that its both?
written by rzq , February 19, 2012
Lol! The apple has not fallen far from the tree!!! Yes I'm calling you an apple and your mother as a tree! Ooops that's false equivalency!!!
No it was not the job of the prophet to piss anyone off! His message did though didn't it????? It rocked the very foundation of their existance! Of course some people converted and some didn't! It's all good.
The plane of hijaz was turned to absolute monotheism!
Of course it's good to see that the prophets message is still making an impact on people! Islam is growing irrespective!
Before you say it's birth rate not conversion! Irrespective!
Yes I am saying its the Muslims fault for the state we find ourself!
However we are fully aware of the external forces that accelerated the breakdown.
Both points do not have to be mutually exvlusive.
No it was not the job of the prophet to piss anyone off! His message did though didn't it????? It rocked the very foundation of their existance! Of course some people converted and some didn't! It's all good.
The plane of hijaz was turned to absolute monotheism!
Of course it's good to see that the prophets message is still making an impact on people! Islam is growing irrespective!
Before you say it's birth rate not conversion! Irrespective!
Yes I am saying its the Muslims fault for the state we find ourself!
However we are fully aware of the external forces that accelerated the breakdown.
Both points do not have to be mutually exvlusive.
written by Fineliving56's son , February 19, 2012
rzq wrote: "Lol! The apple has not fallen far from the tree!!! Yes I'm calling you an apple and your mother as a tree! Ooops that's false equivalency!!!"
Huh? How is that a false equivalency? I am very much like my mother. A false equivalency means that two things are not the same.
False Equivalence is a logical fallacy which describes a situation where there is a logical and apparant equivalence, but when in fact there is none.
A common way for this fallacy to be perpetuated is one shared trait between two subjects is assumed to show equivalence, especially in order of magnitude, when equivalence is not necessarily the logical result. The pattern of the fallacy is often as such: If A is the set of c and d, and B is the set of d and e, then since they both d, A and B are equal. It should be noted though that d existing in both sets is not required, only a passing similarity is required to cause this fallacy to to be able to be used.
The following statements are examples of False Equivalence:
- "They're both soft, cuddly pets, there's no difference between a cat and a dog."
- "We're all born naked, we're all no different from each other."
- "It's just a little white lie." Implied False Equivalence: The phrase is usually used in cases where the lie is large enough to cause concern, and is being claimed as equivalent to small lies that are generally not considered worth mentioning.
Huh? How is that a false equivalency? I am very much like my mother. A false equivalency means that two things are not the same.
False Equivalence is a logical fallacy which describes a situation where there is a logical and apparant equivalence, but when in fact there is none.
A common way for this fallacy to be perpetuated is one shared trait between two subjects is assumed to show equivalence, especially in order of magnitude, when equivalence is not necessarily the logical result. The pattern of the fallacy is often as such: If A is the set of c and d, and B is the set of d and e, then since they both d, A and B are equal. It should be noted though that d existing in both sets is not required, only a passing similarity is required to cause this fallacy to to be able to be used.
The following statements are examples of False Equivalence:
- "They're both soft, cuddly pets, there's no difference between a cat and a dog."
- "We're all born naked, we're all no different from each other."
- "It's just a little white lie." Implied False Equivalence: The phrase is usually used in cases where the lie is large enough to cause concern, and is being claimed as equivalent to small lies that are generally not considered worth mentioning.
written by Fineliving56's son , February 19, 2012
rzq wrote: "I'm glad you viscerally hate the prophet because as an enemy of Islam you should. It proves to me as a Muslim he did his job right."
Then rzq wrote: "No it was not the job of the prophet to piss anyone off!"
I'm only noting how you changed your mind. You noticed your error and you corrected it. So clearly you are open-minded to this idea.
So why do you believe that Allah exists?
Why are you a muslim?
Then rzq wrote: "No it was not the job of the prophet to piss anyone off!"
I'm only noting how you changed your mind. You noticed your error and you corrected it. So clearly you are open-minded to this idea.
So why do you believe that Allah exists?
Why are you a muslim?
written by No More Confused , February 19, 2012
rzq
u have to come to dubai or a gulf country to see how islam is getting reformed at a fast pace unlike your
view of revival.
i will take u to the beaches of arab gulf countries and night clubs opened in every corner..alcohol available in
every hotel and girls walking in see through clothes in shopping malls.
open todays gulf news..uae court has annuled marriage of a 13 year girl.
i will beg you to stop dreaming of a revival...islam is practically a thing of the past or you will only find it in
poor islamic countries where mullah is using it for earning a bread or your muslim leaders are still using it
to rule gullible masses.
u have to come to dubai or a gulf country to see how islam is getting reformed at a fast pace unlike your
view of revival.
i will take u to the beaches of arab gulf countries and night clubs opened in every corner..alcohol available in
every hotel and girls walking in see through clothes in shopping malls.
open todays gulf news..uae court has annuled marriage of a 13 year girl.
i will beg you to stop dreaming of a revival...islam is practically a thing of the past or you will only find it in
poor islamic countries where mullah is using it for earning a bread or your muslim leaders are still using it
to rule gullible masses.
written by rzq , February 19, 2012
rzq wrote: "I'm glad you viscerally hate the prophet because as an enemy of Islam you should. It proves to me as a Muslim he did his job right."
Then rzq wrote: "No it was not the job of the prophet to piss anyone off!"
There is no mind changing there! The prophet delivered his message! That pissed the pagans off because it rocked the core of their existance! Its great to see that the message is stll having the same impact. The prophets job was plain deliverance.
So no the statements are not contradictory!
Feel free to make a valid point!!!
Then rzq wrote: "No it was not the job of the prophet to piss anyone off!"
There is no mind changing there! The prophet delivered his message! That pissed the pagans off because it rocked the core of their existance! Its great to see that the message is stll having the same impact. The prophets job was plain deliverance.
So no the statements are not contradictory!
Feel free to make a valid point!!!
written by Machmoed , February 19, 2012
The plane of hijaz was turned to absolute monotheism!
Sure it was sunshine! That's why abu bakr went out warring apostates right? Ritha war and there were three in the 7th century. Around 650's there was a revival of polyetheistic beliefs in Hidjaaz. This is supported by archeological evidence such as temples, inscriptions etc.
Sure it was sunshine! That's why abu bakr went out warring apostates right? Ritha war and there were three in the 7th century. Around 650's there was a revival of polyetheistic beliefs in Hidjaaz. This is supported by archeological evidence such as temples, inscriptions etc.
written by rzq , February 19, 2012
I hope you are not equating Dubai with an Islamic state!!
written by Fineliving56's son , February 19, 2012
rzq wrote: "I'm glad you viscerally hate the prophet because as an enemy of Islam you should. It proves to me as a Muslim he did his job right."
Then rzq wrote: "No it was not the job of the prophet to piss anyone off!"
Then rzq wrote: "There is no mind changing there! The prophet delivered his message! That pissed the pagans off because it rocked the core of their existance!"
I'm confused. You're saying that people who hate Islam *should* hate Mohamed. Is that what you mean?
And that you are happy about this?
I don't yet understand this idea.
Then rzq wrote: "No it was not the job of the prophet to piss anyone off!"
Then rzq wrote: "There is no mind changing there! The prophet delivered his message! That pissed the pagans off because it rocked the core of their existance!"
I'm confused. You're saying that people who hate Islam *should* hate Mohamed. Is that what you mean?
And that you are happy about this?
I don't yet understand this idea.
written by Tanstaafl jw , February 19, 2012
Muslims worship Muhammad, not Allah. When a deity pimps for his prophet, it's easy to see that man created God, not the other way around.
written by rzq , February 19, 2012
I dunno, what do you think I mean smart guy????
Just read you love fest with duh! My stomach is empty now!!!
This is gonna be fun!!!
Away you go young sigmond!!!
Just read you love fest with duh! My stomach is empty now!!!
This is gonna be fun!!!
Away you go young sigmond!!!
written by duh_swami , February 19, 2012
Just read you love fest with duh! My stomach is empty now!!!
Purging is good for the soul...Take two aspirin and call me in the morning...
Purging is good for the soul...Take two aspirin and call me in the morning...
written by Fineliving56's son , February 19, 2012
rzq wrote: "I dunno, what do you think I mean smart guy?"
I'll figure it out soon. Assuming you choose to continue discussion.
In the meantime, I'd like to bring up the question of 'why you believe in Allah'.
You haven't answered me. That tells me that you've never asked yourself the question.
So I imagine you were born to a family of muslims who taught you Islam.
Did you parents tell you that you would burn in hell if you question Allah?
I'll figure it out soon. Assuming you choose to continue discussion.
In the meantime, I'd like to bring up the question of 'why you believe in Allah'.
You haven't answered me. That tells me that you've never asked yourself the question.
So I imagine you were born to a family of muslims who taught you Islam.
Did you parents tell you that you would burn in hell if you question Allah?
written by Muslim & Proud , February 19, 2012
"This book dismantles Islam by exposing the imposture of Muhammad."
"Islam is an extremely defenseless religion and hence vulnerable to collapse. "Defenseless" in the sense that there is not a single atom of truth in it to support."
So according to Mr Das, there is not a SINGLE ATOM of truth in Islam.
"But the five oldest and most trusted Islamic sources do not portray Muhammad a superior being or any kind Godly mercy for mankind. The sources reveal that he was a thief, a liar, an assassin, a pedophile, a shameless womanizer, a promiscuous husband, a rapist, a mass-murderer, a desert pirate, a warmonger, a spineless coward and a calculating and ruthless tyrant. It is certainly not the character profile of the founder of a true religion."
So the five most trusted sources of Islam, DO NOT, according to Mr Das, contain a single ATOM OF TRUTH.
Yet Mr Das makes all these absurd accusations (liar, assassin etc etc)
What a complete muppet.
"Islam is an extremely defenseless religion and hence vulnerable to collapse. "Defenseless" in the sense that there is not a single atom of truth in it to support."
So according to Mr Das, there is not a SINGLE ATOM of truth in Islam.
"But the five oldest and most trusted Islamic sources do not portray Muhammad a superior being or any kind Godly mercy for mankind. The sources reveal that he was a thief, a liar, an assassin, a pedophile, a shameless womanizer, a promiscuous husband, a rapist, a mass-murderer, a desert pirate, a warmonger, a spineless coward and a calculating and ruthless tyrant. It is certainly not the character profile of the founder of a true religion."
So the five most trusted sources of Islam, DO NOT, according to Mr Das, contain a single ATOM OF TRUTH.
Yet Mr Das makes all these absurd accusations (liar, assassin etc etc)
What a complete muppet.
written by duh_swami , February 19, 2012
So according to Mr Das, there is not a SINGLE ATOM of truth in Islam.
Well, there may in theory be one atom of truth in Quran, but no one knows what it is...It's buried under too many lies...
Well, there may in theory be one atom of truth in Quran, but no one knows what it is...It's buried under too many lies...
written by Fineliving56's son , February 19, 2012
M&P
You seem think that if an exmuslim claims a Quranic statement to be false, that he can not use that statement in an argument. But this is wrong.
As Karl Popper points out, even false theories can contain truth. For example, if the true answer is Wednesday and you think the answer is Saturday, then your theory is false yet contains a great deal of truth, e.g. that the answer isn't Monday, isn't Thursday, etc. And that the answer is a day of the week, and that the right answer is short and only one word without explanation.
In particular, a theory can contain a *valid argument* to the effect that a rival theory must be false, without itself being true.
You seem think that if an exmuslim claims a Quranic statement to be false, that he can not use that statement in an argument. But this is wrong.
As Karl Popper points out, even false theories can contain truth. For example, if the true answer is Wednesday and you think the answer is Saturday, then your theory is false yet contains a great deal of truth, e.g. that the answer isn't Monday, isn't Thursday, etc. And that the answer is a day of the week, and that the right answer is short and only one word without explanation.
In particular, a theory can contain a *valid argument* to the effect that a rival theory must be false, without itself being true.
written by No More Confused , February 19, 2012
M & PEEE & rzq & Kope
Think Rational boys. You are muslims because you were born as a muslim..if you were born as a non muslim you would not be
talking for islam...now you may say that allhamdu lillah you were selected by allah to be born as a muslim
but then allah is selecting 75% humans to be born as non muslims and only 25% to be born as muslims
so allah wants majority of non muslims even after 1400 years.
so if u r dreaming of winning by numbers you are actually thinking against allahs priorities.
allah do not like muslims therefore only 25%
allah likes non muslims therefore 75%
Think Rational boys. You are muslims because you were born as a muslim..if you were born as a non muslim you would not be
talking for islam...now you may say that allhamdu lillah you were selected by allah to be born as a muslim
but then allah is selecting 75% humans to be born as non muslims and only 25% to be born as muslims
so allah wants majority of non muslims even after 1400 years.
so if u r dreaming of winning by numbers you are actually thinking against allahs priorities.
allah do not like muslims therefore only 25%
allah likes non muslims therefore 75%
written by shahid-kafir , February 19, 2012
TO M & P _ Sujit is referring to the theology that MO has talked about or hallucinating . There is nothing truth available in support of his truth claims ( of MO ) that ISLAM is revealed and that ALLA exists, Gibrael talked with Mo , angels,jinns, jannath, heaven, hell, judgenet day, farher mosque, BURAQ flying , meeting ALLA and all propets etc etc. None of them are true .
Sujit is not referring to Mo's personal life but his religion ISLAM and on which it is supposed to verify. If you can verify any thing you can write about it .
Moslems worship MO 's teeth , MO's hair - do you know that ?
Sujit is not referring to Mo's personal life but his religion ISLAM and on which it is supposed to verify. If you can verify any thing you can write about it .
Moslems worship MO 's teeth , MO's hair - do you know that ?
written by Fineliving56's son , February 19, 2012
rzq wrote: "Lol! The apple has not fallen far from the tree!!! Yes I'm calling you an apple and your mother as a tree! Ooops that's false equivalency!!!"
That is not a false equivalency. It is in fact a true equivalency. My mother and I are very much the same.
A false equivalence is a logical fallacy which describes a situation where there is a logical and apparant equivalence, but when in fact there is none.
A common way for this fallacy to be perpetuated is one shared trait between two subjects is assumed to show equivalence, especially in order of magnitude, when equivalence is not necessarily the logical result.
That is not a false equivalency. It is in fact a true equivalency. My mother and I are very much the same.
A false equivalence is a logical fallacy which describes a situation where there is a logical and apparant equivalence, but when in fact there is none.
A common way for this fallacy to be perpetuated is one shared trait between two subjects is assumed to show equivalence, especially in order of magnitude, when equivalence is not necessarily the logical result.
written by non believer , February 20, 2012
Why are you not answering the question regarding Mo'[s sexual exploits. What was the great favor done to the world and what moral values were preached and practiced when he saw his daughter in law unclothed, made his son divorce her so that he could marry her. Why was it that he did not do a favor to the war widows by marrying them when his first wife was alive? What was the great use to the humanity when he married a child. Normally people are held in high esteem if they practice things which are for the good of humanity. Take Jesus, Buddha, Gandhi etc, they did not support violence at any cost. They used their brains and mouth not their muscle and sword. Mo was a typical coward who got bullied by his first wife and he bullied others who were weaker than him to establish his rule.
written by Muslim and proud , February 20, 2012
"You seem think that if an exmuslim claims a Quranic statement to be false, that he can not use that statement in an argument. But this is wrong."
You are completely missing the point son.
If an exmuslim STATES that thete is not a single atom of truth in Islam and it's sources, then how can the same person make an accusation of murder based on information from the Hadith?
It's farcical
written by rzq , February 20, 2012
You really are confused!
4:1 ratio. What has that got to with anything????
Do you even have a point in there???!
4:1 ratio. What has that got to with anything????
Do you even have a point in there???!
written by duh_swami , February 20, 2012
If an exmuslim STATES that thete is not a single atom of truth in Islam and it's sources, then how can the same person make an accusation of murder based on information from the Hadith?
It's not the x Muslim who is in error...It is pious Muslims who believe in and act on Quran and hadith who are in error, and it is perfectly legitimate to discuss how people believe in, and act on falsehoods...Your arguments are crippled...
It's not the x Muslim who is in error...It is pious Muslims who believe in and act on Quran and hadith who are in error, and it is perfectly legitimate to discuss how people believe in, and act on falsehoods...Your arguments are crippled...
written by Muslim & Proud , February 20, 2012
"Take Jesus, Buddha, Gandhi etc, they did not support violence at any cost."
Here is what Gandhi said about Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him):
"I wanted to know the best of one who holds today's undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind....I became more than convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to this friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the 2nd volume (of the Prophet's biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of the great life."
Enjoy
Here is what Gandhi said about Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him):
"I wanted to know the best of one who holds today's undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind....I became more than convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to this friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the 2nd volume (of the Prophet's biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of the great life."
Enjoy
written by Muslim & Proud , February 20, 2012
"Well, there may in theory be one atom of truth in Quran, but no one knows what it is...It's buried under too many lies..."
Lies that you believe Duh......remember:
"I BELIEVE THE QURAN"
Lies that you believe Duh......remember:
"I BELIEVE THE QURAN"
written by vbv , February 20, 2012
Absolute monotheism , my foot! Islam only glorifies arab supremacy . Stone-worshipping is not monotheism and Allah was a pre-islamic pagan deity. Muhamad destroyed all other stones-idols ,except his tribal deity Allah. Muslims are also stone worshippers,except that they a;; bow to one stone that is in the Kaba of the Mecca mosque. They circumambulate that stone seven times in their haj ,whiley pelt stones on another stone/concrete pillar in the name of 'Iblis'. This is absolute primitive stone-age ritual, And asking people to do ass-ups five times a day is primitive and a criminal waste of time unsuited in todays world. It is irrational ,stupid ,i;;ogical and primitive. That is why muslims are mostly backward in everything .
written by Georgina , February 20, 2012
@Tanstaafl jw: You is awesome.
@rzq:
Aha so there is an islamic math after all! Who'd a thunkt it! [Real Math: 75%/25% is ratio 3:1 not 4:1]
@rzq:
Aha so there is an islamic math after all! Who'd a thunkt it! [Real Math: 75%/25% is ratio 3:1 not 4:1]
written by duh_swami , February 20, 2012
I gave the idiot a chance to be an idiot and he took me up on it...
written by Muslim and proud , February 20, 2012
"Muslims are also stone worshippers,except that they a;; bow to one stone that is in the Kaba of the Mecca mosque"
We don't bow TO THE stone. We bow in the DIRECTION of the Qibla - Only Allah (the exalted) is worthy of worship and not ANY stone.
You are sadly mistaken.
Ps Muslims take the time 5 times a day to pray, yet YOU have a problem with it....get a life
We don't bow TO THE stone. We bow in the DIRECTION of the Qibla - Only Allah (the exalted) is worthy of worship and not ANY stone.
You are sadly mistaken.
Ps Muslims take the time 5 times a day to pray, yet YOU have a problem with it....get a life
written by No More Confused , February 20, 2012
M & P
Question is " Is it a Sacred (muqadas) stone or just a stone?
After construction of kaaba why this stone is significant to be sacred?
Is this stone a meteorite or it is a stone thrown by allah from heavens?
Muslims actually bow in the DIRECTION of this stone which determined the Qibla.
If stone was just meant to signify the place of kaaba it should have been thrown after construction of kaaba.
If the stone is SACRED than muslims are bowing to the stone "in the real sense"
because allah is imaginary!!!
Question is " Is it a Sacred (muqadas) stone or just a stone?
After construction of kaaba why this stone is significant to be sacred?
Is this stone a meteorite or it is a stone thrown by allah from heavens?
Muslims actually bow in the DIRECTION of this stone which determined the Qibla.
If stone was just meant to signify the place of kaaba it should have been thrown after construction of kaaba.
If the stone is SACRED than muslims are bowing to the stone "in the real sense"
because allah is imaginary!!!
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , February 20, 2012
"Ps Muslims take the time 5 times a day to pray, yet YOU have a problem with it....get a life "
It is not the prayers but the one being prayed to. stones don't answer prayers do they? The daily ass ups bowing to a stone is indeed primitive. How many time has the black stone anwsered those multiples of prayers. Even Mohammed never claim that those stones asnwered prayers. The Quran even say Mohammed is incapable of performing any miracle. How do we know that the stone answers prayers when there were no signs and wonders like the God of the Jews and christian do?
It is not the prayers but the one being prayed to. stones don't answer prayers do they? The daily ass ups bowing to a stone is indeed primitive. How many time has the black stone anwsered those multiples of prayers. Even Mohammed never claim that those stones asnwered prayers. The Quran even say Mohammed is incapable of performing any miracle. How do we know that the stone answers prayers when there were no signs and wonders like the God of the Jews and christian do?
written by rzq , February 20, 2012
Sure mate whatever you say.
Sitting on a pee on a Sunday and singing kum ba ya at a statue of European looking man on a cross!
That makes sense, NOT!
Sitting on a pee on a Sunday and singing kum ba ya at a statue of European looking man on a cross!
That makes sense, NOT!
written by Muslim & Proud , February 20, 2012
"If the stone is SACRED than muslims are bowing to the stone "in the real sense""
So you are now telling muslims what they are bowing to?
Try and get a life.....if you can.
Muslims bow to Allah (the exalted) only, using the Qibla as the DIRECTION.
So you are now telling muslims what they are bowing to?
Try and get a life.....if you can.
Muslims bow to Allah (the exalted) only, using the Qibla as the DIRECTION.
written by duh_swami , February 20, 2012
Clement...where have you been? There are some Muslims posting here who need to hear your Christian perspectives...I tried to get Cerebrum to do it, but he's not interested...
You can see from their responses that they are lost souls...
You can see from their responses that they are lost souls...
written by duh_swami , February 20, 2012
You guys don't bow to a black rock, you kiss it...I wonder if anyone ever washes it off with disinfectant? Can you imagine how many layers of goo and slobber are dried on it...Mohammad and Umars slobber is at the very bottom, so I suppose this filth is holy slobber...Something like 'holy moly' in honor of a hairy growth on Mohammads back...
written by Muslim and proud , February 20, 2012
"Clement...where have you been? There are some Muslims posting here who need to hear your Christian perspectives"
Need to?
Se free advice to your cronies - find somethin more productive to do with your time - free therapy...
Need to?
Se free advice to your cronies - find somethin more productive to do with your time - free therapy...
written by duh_swami , February 20, 2012
Need to?
Yes, Clement the Islam-watch Pastor can help cure you of optical rectumitis...a debilitating condition common to pious Muslims...I hear it is rampant in Yorkshire...
Yes, Clement the Islam-watch Pastor can help cure you of optical rectumitis...a debilitating condition common to pious Muslims...I hear it is rampant in Yorkshire...
written by Muslim and proud , February 20, 2012
"You guys don't bow to a black rock, you kiss it...I "
Oh that brings back such beautiful memories from last year - thank you Duh for reminding me.......can't wait to go back.
You kiss dogs right? I can just imagine.......with all due respect.....ONE DOG KISSING ANOTHER. I would struggle to figure out who is more worse off out o the 2........my friend.
Oh that brings back such beautiful memories from last year - thank you Duh for reminding me.......can't wait to go back.
You kiss dogs right? I can just imagine.......with all due respect.....ONE DOG KISSING ANOTHER. I would struggle to figure out who is more worse off out o the 2........my friend.
written by Yibel , February 20, 2012
He protested against the centuries-old beliefs of his forefathers. He abused and broke the idols of the gods, gods that he used to worship in his pre-Islamic pagan days. In order to condemn and subsequently annihilate the Jews of Arabia, he perverted the Jewish doctrine of monotheism by fabricating the story about Azra or Uzair as the son of God (absent in Jewish scripture). He denied the crucifixion of Isa/Jesus, the central pillar of Christianity. He condemned the sacred scriptures of the Jews and Christians as fabrications and perversions by them.
Muhammad, instead of enlightening the ignorant masses, created his own cult with a religious mask mixing old myths, superstitions and beliefs. He needed a God to proceed with. Uncreative as he was, he stole the name of one of the old gods of his forefathers, Allah, so as to persuade the pagan Arabs towards his cult, when he was in Makkah. After he failed badly in Makkah and was driven out, he fled to Yathrib and started praying towards the Jewish Temple of Jerusalem, so as to persuade the local Jewish community to join his cult. But again he failed.
Out of money, he started terrorizing and plundering the Makkan trade-caravans, which was critical to their livelihood. After his second failure in Yathrib, Muhammad now decided to terrorize and exterminate the Jews of Arabia and capture their wealth.
During this period, he stole the names and fetishes from other religions. He created 99 different names of his God by combining the tribal gods of the Arab clans that joined his Merry Band of Marauders. Among them, Ar-Rahman was the name of a Yemeni idol-god. He found vast portions of his ideas in previous scriptures and pre-Islamic Arabic poems and embedded these in his Qur'an. He plagiarized the doctrine of paradise (Jannat Al-Firdous) and the concept of angels and hell from the Persians/Zorastrians. Then he adopted all the old pagan rituals of the Arabs: hajj, stoning the pillars, running up and down between the two sacred hills, kissing the stone, etc. and worshipping the stone 5 times a day in order to bind his warrior cult together.
Muhammad was certainly unique. His ultimate goal was to rule the Arab Peninsula, and then the world behind a religious mask. And he wasn’t afraid of any God. He cheated his creation, Allah, to fulfill his ambitions and lusts, by fabricating verses and stories in His name. What a Perfect Man!
Muhammad, instead of enlightening the ignorant masses, created his own cult with a religious mask mixing old myths, superstitions and beliefs. He needed a God to proceed with. Uncreative as he was, he stole the name of one of the old gods of his forefathers, Allah, so as to persuade the pagan Arabs towards his cult, when he was in Makkah. After he failed badly in Makkah and was driven out, he fled to Yathrib and started praying towards the Jewish Temple of Jerusalem, so as to persuade the local Jewish community to join his cult. But again he failed.
Out of money, he started terrorizing and plundering the Makkan trade-caravans, which was critical to their livelihood. After his second failure in Yathrib, Muhammad now decided to terrorize and exterminate the Jews of Arabia and capture their wealth.
During this period, he stole the names and fetishes from other religions. He created 99 different names of his God by combining the tribal gods of the Arab clans that joined his Merry Band of Marauders. Among them, Ar-Rahman was the name of a Yemeni idol-god. He found vast portions of his ideas in previous scriptures and pre-Islamic Arabic poems and embedded these in his Qur'an. He plagiarized the doctrine of paradise (Jannat Al-Firdous) and the concept of angels and hell from the Persians/Zorastrians. Then he adopted all the old pagan rituals of the Arabs: hajj, stoning the pillars, running up and down between the two sacred hills, kissing the stone, etc. and worshipping the stone 5 times a day in order to bind his warrior cult together.
Muhammad was certainly unique. His ultimate goal was to rule the Arab Peninsula, and then the world behind a religious mask. And he wasn’t afraid of any God. He cheated his creation, Allah, to fulfill his ambitions and lusts, by fabricating verses and stories in His name. What a Perfect Man!
written by Muslim and proud , February 20, 2012
"Yes, Clement the Islam-watch Pastor can help cure you of optical rectumitis...a debilitating condition common to pious Muslims...I hear it is rampant in Yorkshire..."
I hope he does a better job than Mr Khan (pmsl).
I hope he does a better job than Mr Khan (pmsl).
written by duh_swami , February 20, 2012
I hope he does a better job than Mr Khan (pmsl).
You mean Mr Khan tried to cure your optical rectumitis and failed? He should have used a hammer...
You mean Mr Khan tried to cure your optical rectumitis and failed? He should have used a hammer...
written by Muslim & Proud , February 20, 2012
"You mean Mr Khan tried to cure your optical rectumitis and failed? He should have used a hammer..."
Check the link "About Us", where it says: We challenge Muslims to debate on these assertions.
What is missing is: And we will remain silent and not have a word to say.
PMSL
ROFL
LMAO
Check the link "About Us", where it says: We challenge Muslims to debate on these assertions.
What is missing is: And we will remain silent and not have a word to say.
PMSL
ROFL
LMAO
written by duh_swami , February 20, 2012
You don't know what 'optical rectumities' is do you? Never mind, Allah knows and he stands ready with a plunger...
PMSL
ROFL
LMAO
Now THAT's funny...
PMSL
ROFL
LMAO
Now THAT's funny...
written by Guy Macher , February 20, 2012
If Muslims were themselves not mentally ill, this book would presage the end of Islam. Oh what a wonderful day that will be! The end of Islam will bring more good to mankind than a cure for cancer.
written by No More Confused , February 20, 2012
M & PEEE
"So you are now telling muslims what they are bowing to?
Try and get a life.....if you can.
Muslims bow to Allah (the exalted) only, using the Qibla as the DIRECTION."
M & P than you have to prove that allah exists??
"So you are now telling muslims what they are bowing to?
Try and get a life.....if you can.
Muslims bow to Allah (the exalted) only, using the Qibla as the DIRECTION."
M & P than you have to prove that allah exists??
written by No More Confused , February 20, 2012
M & PEE
Also please tell us why Black Stone is sacred for muslims??
Also please tell us why Black Stone is sacred for muslims??
written by FollowerofCHRISTJESUS , February 20, 2012
Muhammad stole his 'words of Allah' from the what was already written...oh, I don't know...about 600 + years before him. He built upon it to suit his own purposes. He was a complete fraud. And a PEDOPHILE. Funny how when Jesus is spoken of in the Quran, it is clearly stated that He was WITHOUT SIN...yet Muhammad was a filthy sinner just like everyone else. I would assume by that alone that JESUS, not Muhammad, was a TRUE EMBODIMENT OF GOD on earth. Perhaps you should actually read the bible and makes your own assertions instead of spewing out nothingless against a God you do not know.
written by non believer , February 21, 2012
Gandhi had to say that because he could not antagonize Muslim Indians then. But you have not answered the other questions. What was the great moral spread by getting the son divorce his daughter in law because Mo got an erection. Allah was ready to oblige.
written by Machmoed , February 21, 2012
Allah was ready to oblige.
He (almost) always does in case of Mo.
He (almost) always does in case of Mo.
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , February 21, 2012
I must appreciate your contribution here. I think you are one of the most consistent fighters against the cult of Islam. Sometimes I try to contribute in my quota from the Christian perspective sometimes I watch from the sideline.
I don't want to pick up issue with this new guy call Muslim and Proud. I remember the likes of Malem, Reed, Fairlox etc have tried to preach another gospel of Islam here which of course was nothing but deceit or Tagiya in the Islamic parlance as taught by their prophet as one of the strategy for successful Dawah.
Some of these Muslim sometimes come here with great expectation that they can do some good job for Muhammad, but only to discover that they have under estimated the level of enlightenment and knowledge of the Quran the posters in this site have. They also under estimate the level how deep the virus of Islam as eaten dead their brains which often reflect in their understanding of social, political, religious, and moral matters.
I have learnt that sometimes it is better to avoid such brain-dead moron of Islam, because they cannot understand the moral, religious and political implications of the sunah of Mohammed and his Quran in the civilized world as against the 7th Century civilization and ignorant as exemplified by the Pirate of Medina, turned Messenger of Allah, a well known moon idol worshipped in Saudi Arabia long before Mohammed Islamized it.
I don't want to pick up issue with this new guy call Muslim and Proud. I remember the likes of Malem, Reed, Fairlox etc have tried to preach another gospel of Islam here which of course was nothing but deceit or Tagiya in the Islamic parlance as taught by their prophet as one of the strategy for successful Dawah.
Some of these Muslim sometimes come here with great expectation that they can do some good job for Muhammad, but only to discover that they have under estimated the level of enlightenment and knowledge of the Quran the posters in this site have. They also under estimate the level how deep the virus of Islam as eaten dead their brains which often reflect in their understanding of social, political, religious, and moral matters.
I have learnt that sometimes it is better to avoid such brain-dead moron of Islam, because they cannot understand the moral, religious and political implications of the sunah of Mohammed and his Quran in the civilized world as against the 7th Century civilization and ignorant as exemplified by the Pirate of Medina, turned Messenger of Allah, a well known moon idol worshipped in Saudi Arabia long before Mohammed Islamized it.
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , February 21, 2012
My Question to this guy called “Muslim and Proud” who said they face kaaba only for gibla or Direction of prayers . If Allah is omniscient or omnipresence, a major attribute of the divine, why insisting that his worshippers should face his house where he lived before he can hear them.
Can’t he hear if he is a He, the prayer and supplication from his worshippers from any other direction? Doesn’t this Allah know that you cannot face his direction in a spherical world without facing the sky? This alone is enough proofs that Allah is not the same God of the Jews and Christians who is everywhere and hears prayers from every direction and without any Gibla?
Think about it.
Can’t he hear if he is a He, the prayer and supplication from his worshippers from any other direction? Doesn’t this Allah know that you cannot face his direction in a spherical world without facing the sky? This alone is enough proofs that Allah is not the same God of the Jews and Christians who is everywhere and hears prayers from every direction and without any Gibla?
Think about it.
written by rzq , February 21, 2012
There is a difference between a prayer (dua) and salah(supplication).
A dua- can be said pretty much anywhere and any direction.
Salah- is only done as instructed towards the Kaaba.
You seem to have mixed the two.
Secondly the black stone is of no real significance other than its stuck on the Kaaba from the time of the prophet. Period.
As for the god of Muslims and Jews then I ask you to read the writings of arguably the greatest Jewish scholar of them all, meimonedes (western name), ram bam (jewish title) or Imran ibn meimon( Muslim name).
He has written in his books after analysing the concept of tawheed that Jews can prey in a mosque if a synagogue is not available. Why is that pastor??
He has also forbidden the Jews to prey in a church, point blank!
Why do you think he did that pastor?
Maybe you should think about that!!!!
A dua- can be said pretty much anywhere and any direction.
Salah- is only done as instructed towards the Kaaba.
You seem to have mixed the two.
Secondly the black stone is of no real significance other than its stuck on the Kaaba from the time of the prophet. Period.
As for the god of Muslims and Jews then I ask you to read the writings of arguably the greatest Jewish scholar of them all, meimonedes (western name), ram bam (jewish title) or Imran ibn meimon( Muslim name).
He has written in his books after analysing the concept of tawheed that Jews can prey in a mosque if a synagogue is not available. Why is that pastor??
He has also forbidden the Jews to prey in a church, point blank!
Why do you think he did that pastor?
Maybe you should think about that!!!!
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , February 21, 2012
“Secondly the black stone is of no real significance other than it’s stuck on the Kaaba from the time of the prophet. Period.”
If this is true why do Muslim face this empty house with the Blackstone stuck at the corner? You probably do not know that it is the Blackstone that is the occupant of the that kaaba now since Mohammed got rid of 364 other idols in his time leaving just one. Does it matter if there are many or one an idol is an idol.
What is the difference in the bowing, facing the kaaba, going round the kaaba, running between the two hills and stoning the devil, the pagan Ramadan fast, the Zakat paid by the Polytheist for taking care of their gods in kaaba by Mohammed’s tribe and the doing of the same in an Islamic fashion that is done by the Muslim? There is virtually no difference.
The only difference is that there is now one occupant of kaaba the black stone instead of 365 gods. And the rituals still remained intact. You must be brain dead not to notice the scam. Mohammed did not temper with his family business which has now become multibillion dollars haj business to the Saudis. Thanks to Mohammed ingenuity to transforming idolatry to international business.
If this is true why do Muslim face this empty house with the Blackstone stuck at the corner? You probably do not know that it is the Blackstone that is the occupant of the that kaaba now since Mohammed got rid of 364 other idols in his time leaving just one. Does it matter if there are many or one an idol is an idol.
What is the difference in the bowing, facing the kaaba, going round the kaaba, running between the two hills and stoning the devil, the pagan Ramadan fast, the Zakat paid by the Polytheist for taking care of their gods in kaaba by Mohammed’s tribe and the doing of the same in an Islamic fashion that is done by the Muslim? There is virtually no difference.
The only difference is that there is now one occupant of kaaba the black stone instead of 365 gods. And the rituals still remained intact. You must be brain dead not to notice the scam. Mohammed did not temper with his family business which has now become multibillion dollars haj business to the Saudis. Thanks to Mohammed ingenuity to transforming idolatry to international business.
written by duh_swami , February 21, 2012
Thanks Clement...I have issues with Christians about supernatural aspects, but not the overall drift or goals...You know plenty enough about both Christianity and Islam to make accurate observations and pertinent comments...
written by duh_swami , February 21, 2012
Secondly the black stone is of no real significance other than its stuck on the Kaaba from the time of the prophet. Period.
That's apostate talk Mr...Would you stand up in a crowded mosque and say that? Why is the rocks frame built like a female sex organ, a yoni? Why do Muslims kiss it? Have you kissed it? Would you kiss it if you could? If not why not, it was good enough for Mohammad to kiss wasn't it, why do you think you are better than Mohammad?
That's apostate talk Mr...Would you stand up in a crowded mosque and say that? Why is the rocks frame built like a female sex organ, a yoni? Why do Muslims kiss it? Have you kissed it? Would you kiss it if you could? If not why not, it was good enough for Mohammad to kiss wasn't it, why do you think you are better than Mohammad?
written by No More Confused , February 21, 2012
"Secondly the black stone is of no real significance other than its stuck on the Kaaba from the time of the prophet. Period."
O really, it was muhammad himself who put this stone in this place go read your history rzq. it was muhammad
who laid a cloth sheet and put stone on it and asked the tribal leaders to hold the cloth to end a dispute
for who will lay the stone.
Every other islamic web site demonstrates that the black stone was thrown from heavens by allah to inform
abraham the correct place for kaaba. plz browze
For praying in the direction of qibla it was possible when the earth was flat as per writer of quran who didnt
know that earth was actually round.
written by rzq , February 21, 2012
I would be quite happy to stand in a mosque and say that!'
Never noticed the frame looks like anything really!
A yoni, you say! That's what they call it in duh world!
That's the best you can do??? The stone was stolen and broken and then returned after a ransom was paid, the frame holds it together that is all.
So the frame looks like a yoni???? Maybe you just have yoni on your mind!
Never noticed the frame looks like anything really!
A yoni, you say! That's what they call it in duh world!
That's the best you can do??? The stone was stolen and broken and then returned after a ransom was paid, the frame holds it together that is all.
So the frame looks like a yoni???? Maybe you just have yoni on your mind!
written by Muslim and proud , February 21, 2012
"He was a complete fraud. And a PEDOPHILE"
Prove it.
Good luck.
Prove it.
Good luck.
written by rzq , February 21, 2012
"Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said "NO DOUBT, I KNOW THAT YOU ARE A STONE AND CAN NEITHER BENEFIT ANYONE NOR HARM ANYONE. Had I not seen Allah's Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you."
These are the words of amir umar Ibn al-khittab
nothing else needs to be said!
These are the words of amir umar Ibn al-khittab
nothing else needs to be said!
written by No More Confused , February 21, 2012
RZQ
this states that Umar never had a chance to ask MO why Mo kissed the black stone??
but we are interested to know Why Allah's apostle kissed the black stone if it was just a stone??
may peace be upon you
written by No More Confused , February 21, 2012
"He was a complete fraud. And a PEDOPHILE"
prove it.
Mo didnt marry any woman/ girl for the sake of islam during khadija's life. After khadija death he married
12 women/ girls in the name of islam. One of the reasons mo was a fraud.
Mo had sex with a nine year old girl. He was a pedophile.
proved.
may peace be upon you
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , February 21, 2012
"These are the words of amir umar Ibn al-khittab
nothing else needs to be said! "
There is a lot to say about umar Ibn alkhittab comment. Remember he was a convert from Haneef Religion, those who believe in the Religion of Abraham but with imperfect knowledge of it. Islam Claim to be religion of Abraham too but with a lot of paganism incorporated. A scam that surprised Umar. What connection has Abraham with the Kaaba house of Idolatry? Umar knew that those stones cannot hear any prayer. Despite this Umar still went to kiss it because of fear of the sward of Mohammed. Mohammed doest not allow any critique to leave his cult belief system. That was why all his criques were hunted and assassinated in his time. Umar was a compromiser. Abraham has nothing to do with the Idolatry of Kaaba. Let this sink into your head.
You know the religious scam was weaved around the myth that Abraham has a religion and that he and his Son Ismeal built the it, a lie from the pit of hell.
nothing else needs to be said! "
There is a lot to say about umar Ibn alkhittab comment. Remember he was a convert from Haneef Religion, those who believe in the Religion of Abraham but with imperfect knowledge of it. Islam Claim to be religion of Abraham too but with a lot of paganism incorporated. A scam that surprised Umar. What connection has Abraham with the Kaaba house of Idolatry? Umar knew that those stones cannot hear any prayer. Despite this Umar still went to kiss it because of fear of the sward of Mohammed. Mohammed doest not allow any critique to leave his cult belief system. That was why all his criques were hunted and assassinated in his time. Umar was a compromiser. Abraham has nothing to do with the Idolatry of Kaaba. Let this sink into your head.
You know the religious scam was weaved around the myth that Abraham has a religion and that he and his Son Ismeal built the it, a lie from the pit of hell.
written by rzq , February 21, 2012
"a scam that suprised umar" what are talking about?
Well Abraham and his son ismael laid the foundations of the Kaaba!
The next bit is where your ignorance really shines through!
Umar was scared of no one. Infact Islamic history shows that the prophet was scared of umar!
Ha ha! A lie from the pit of hell came from the niccean council gathering!
Maybe you should comment on that'
Well Abraham and his son ismael laid the foundations of the Kaaba!
The next bit is where your ignorance really shines through!
Umar was scared of no one. Infact Islamic history shows that the prophet was scared of umar!
Ha ha! A lie from the pit of hell came from the niccean council gathering!
Maybe you should comment on that'
written by rzq , February 21, 2012
"a scam that suprised umar" what are talking about?
Well Abraham and his son ismael laid the foundations of the Kaaba!
The next bit is where your ignorance really shines through!
Umar was scared of no one. Infact Islamic history shows that the prophet was scared of umar!
Ha ha! A lie from the pit of hell came from the niccean council gathering!
Maybe you should comment on that'
Well Abraham and his son ismael laid the foundations of the Kaaba!
The next bit is where your ignorance really shines through!
Umar was scared of no one. Infact Islamic history shows that the prophet was scared of umar!
Ha ha! A lie from the pit of hell came from the niccean council gathering!
Maybe you should comment on that'
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , February 21, 2012
"Ha ha! A lie from the pit of hell came from the niccean council gathering!
Maybe you should comment on that' "
What do you mean by the niccean council? You mean the 325 council of Nicaea? What has that got to do with the subject under discussion? The kaaba house of Idolatry. If Islam was wise enough to have council or committee to sift the shaft from the wheat they probable would have not come out with a self contradictory, inconsistent, incongruent book that lack chronology and intelligent transition like the Quran. Othman burnt all the other version of the Quran and left only his own version with no manuscript to verify what is now passed to us as the words of Allah.The book that single handily discredited itself. I don't know what you are talking about ( niccean council)
We are talking of Myth of Kaaba and the Blackstone as Abraham’s religion what is your stake on that? You think that was a godly religion? One idol monotheism isn’t it? That was Mohammad version of Monotheism. That is wonderful isn’t it? Or is it paganism in the veil of monotheism? Which one is Islam?
Maybe you should comment on that' "
What do you mean by the niccean council? You mean the 325 council of Nicaea? What has that got to do with the subject under discussion? The kaaba house of Idolatry. If Islam was wise enough to have council or committee to sift the shaft from the wheat they probable would have not come out with a self contradictory, inconsistent, incongruent book that lack chronology and intelligent transition like the Quran. Othman burnt all the other version of the Quran and left only his own version with no manuscript to verify what is now passed to us as the words of Allah.The book that single handily discredited itself. I don't know what you are talking about ( niccean council)
We are talking of Myth of Kaaba and the Blackstone as Abraham’s religion what is your stake on that? You think that was a godly religion? One idol monotheism isn’t it? That was Mohammad version of Monotheism. That is wonderful isn’t it? Or is it paganism in the veil of monotheism? Which one is Islam?
written by Muslim and proud , February 21, 2012
"Othman burnt all the other version of the Quran and left only his own version with no manuscript to verify what is now passed to us as the words of Allah"
There was only ever one version.
And what's all this business about "US" - passed to US?
Interesting
There was only ever one version.
And what's all this business about "US" - passed to US?
Interesting
written by duh_swami , February 21, 2012
A yoni, you say! That's what they call it in duh world!
That's the best you can do???
Well, I could have said vagina or pussy, but I was trying to be polite with yoni...You obviously know nothing about the rocks frame, or you are lying...Probably lying...Or your confusion may be caused by your virginity...You have probably never seen a yoni...If you ever see one, you will know what the black rock frame looks like...
That's the best you can do???
Well, I could have said vagina or pussy, but I was trying to be polite with yoni...You obviously know nothing about the rocks frame, or you are lying...Probably lying...Or your confusion may be caused by your virginity...You have probably never seen a yoni...If you ever see one, you will know what the black rock frame looks like...
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , February 22, 2012
"And what's all this business about "US" - passed to US? "
I used “US” to include all humanity which Islam is forcing to accept its depraved and deluded message with the use of sword, gun and bombs. The Quranic command is that you must continue to fight the infidels until Islam only remained the religion of Allah. Isn't that the mandate in the Quran?
By the way have you back out of the gibla issue. Or are you no longer proud of being a Muslim? Soon and very soon it will be a taboo to identify oneself as a Muslim not only in the civilized western world but even in the dark aged Muslim Countries, because the truth that has been hidden for years about the Quran and it bogus prophet is now being expose through the internet and in many media of the world.
You better change your username, because Islam is not a religion one should be proud of. It is the Religion of the ignorant, the fearful of Islam sward, the morally corrupt and brainwashed.
I used “US” to include all humanity which Islam is forcing to accept its depraved and deluded message with the use of sword, gun and bombs. The Quranic command is that you must continue to fight the infidels until Islam only remained the religion of Allah. Isn't that the mandate in the Quran?
By the way have you back out of the gibla issue. Or are you no longer proud of being a Muslim? Soon and very soon it will be a taboo to identify oneself as a Muslim not only in the civilized western world but even in the dark aged Muslim Countries, because the truth that has been hidden for years about the Quran and it bogus prophet is now being expose through the internet and in many media of the world.
You better change your username, because Islam is not a religion one should be proud of. It is the Religion of the ignorant, the fearful of Islam sward, the morally corrupt and brainwashed.
written by Muslim and proud , February 22, 2012
"The Quranic command is that you must continue to fight the infidels until Islam only remained the religion of Allah."
Please can you provide the evidence of your Islamophobic claim?
"Isn't that the mandate in the Quran?"
So you make an Islamophobic statement and then you are asking ME to verify it for you......
Please can you provide the evidence of your Islamophobic claim?
"Isn't that the mandate in the Quran?"
So you make an Islamophobic statement and then you are asking ME to verify it for you......
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , February 22, 2012
"So you make an Islamophobic statement and then you are asking ME to verify it for you"
Are you not here to defend your religion. Is fighting not ordained for you in the Quran. Explain to us this few quotation from your scriptures.
Qur'an:2:216"Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims), though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not." [Another translation reads:] "Warfare is ordained for you."
Bukhari:V4B52N44"A man came to Allah's Apostle and said, 'Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad in reward.' He replied, 'I do not find such a deed.'"
Bukhari:V4B52N196"Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say,"None has the right to be worshipped but Allah."'"
Qur'an:9:5"Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
Are you not here to defend your religion. Is fighting not ordained for you in the Quran. Explain to us this few quotation from your scriptures.
Qur'an:2:216"Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims), though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not." [Another translation reads:] "Warfare is ordained for you."
Bukhari:V4B52N44"A man came to Allah's Apostle and said, 'Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad in reward.' He replied, 'I do not find such a deed.'"
Bukhari:V4B52N196"Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say,"None has the right to be worshipped but Allah."'"
Qur'an:9:5"Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
written by Muslim & Proud , February 22, 2012
"Are you not here to defend your religion. Is fighting not ordained for you in the Quran. Explain to us this few quotation from your scriptures."
Few quotations? So you are cherry picking those that allow you to try and justify your Islamaphobia?
Qur'an:2:216"Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims), though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not." [Another translation reads:] "Warfare is ordained for you."
Try to have a read of 2:217, which explains WHY warefare was ordained.....
2:217: They ask you (O Muhammad) concerning warfare in the prohibited month. Say, "Fighting is a heinous offence in this month, but in the sight of Allah it is far worse to hinder people from the Way of Allah and to deny Him and to prevent His worshippers from visiting the Masjidal-Haram, and to expel the dwellers of the sacred place from it; and persecution is far worse than bloodshed. As for them, they will go on fighting with you till they succeed in turning you away from your Faith, if they can. But (note it well that) whosoever renounces his Faith and dies a renegade, all his works shall be fruitless both in this world and in the Hereafter. All such people deserve the Fire and shall abide in Hell for ever.
Islamaphobic Interpretation: Muslims are required to make Jihad their primary purpose in life
Actual Interpretation: If you are persecuted, then fighting is ordained as persecution is worse than bloodshed.
"Qur'an:9:5"Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
If you read 9:1 through to 9:15 (as opposed to cherry picking), it will become clear to you.
"Bukhari:V4B52N196"Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say,"None has the right to be worshipped but Allah."'""
Please quote the full Hadith, instead of cherry picking.
Few quotations? So you are cherry picking those that allow you to try and justify your Islamaphobia?
Qur'an:2:216"Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims), though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not." [Another translation reads:] "Warfare is ordained for you."
Try to have a read of 2:217, which explains WHY warefare was ordained.....
2:217: They ask you (O Muhammad) concerning warfare in the prohibited month. Say, "Fighting is a heinous offence in this month, but in the sight of Allah it is far worse to hinder people from the Way of Allah and to deny Him and to prevent His worshippers from visiting the Masjidal-Haram, and to expel the dwellers of the sacred place from it; and persecution is far worse than bloodshed. As for them, they will go on fighting with you till they succeed in turning you away from your Faith, if they can. But (note it well that) whosoever renounces his Faith and dies a renegade, all his works shall be fruitless both in this world and in the Hereafter. All such people deserve the Fire and shall abide in Hell for ever.
Islamaphobic Interpretation: Muslims are required to make Jihad their primary purpose in life
Actual Interpretation: If you are persecuted, then fighting is ordained as persecution is worse than bloodshed.
"Qur'an:9:5"Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
If you read 9:1 through to 9:15 (as opposed to cherry picking), it will become clear to you.
"Bukhari:V4B52N196"Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say,"None has the right to be worshipped but Allah."'""
Please quote the full Hadith, instead of cherry picking.
written by duh_swami , February 22, 2012
All orders about fighting were 'precedents'...They may have been stimulated by some event, but they became standard methods of operations for all time, because that is what Allah intended...Quran 8:39, 2:193, 9:5, 9:29 etc have no expiration dates, they are good for all time, or until they are fulfilled...All good terrorists know this...
written by Muslim and proud , February 22, 2012
"they are good for all time, or until they are fulfilled...All good terrorists know this..."
The only people you are going to convince Duh are terrorists. You should apply to join the Al-Qaida without delay.
The only people you are going to convince Duh are terrorists. You should apply to join the Al-Qaida without delay.
written by duh_swami , February 22, 2012
Not just terrorists fool, jihadists, you know that to which you are obligated by Quran, hadith and sharia...Terrorists quote Quran and hadith for their motivation...They read and study the same books you do...What is it they have wrong? And if they are misunderstanding something, why do they all seem to misunderstand it in exactly the same way? And there are not as you claim, only a few of them...They are conducting jihad operations around the world in fairly large numbers, killing kufr and anyone else they don't like...Boko Haram in Nigeria is an example, but not the only one...There are lots of your brothers who themselves are not terrorists, but they are jihadists who support terrorists...What kind of lies do you have to refute that?
written by Muslim and proud , February 22, 2012
"And if they are misunderstanding something, why do they all seem to misunderstand it in exactly the same way?"
It's no different to how Islamaphobes lile you misunderstand - in exactly the same way as all other Islamaphobes.
It's no different to how Islamaphobes lile you misunderstand - in exactly the same way as all other Islamaphobes.
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , February 23, 2012
“Actual Interpretation: If you are persecuted, then fighting is ordained as persecution is worse than bloodshed.”
This is the problem, is persecution truly worse than killing human being?, or slaughter human? Why should denying Mohammed access to Kaaba house of Idolatry where 365 idols are housed and are being worshipped worse than killing human beings.?
The virus of Islam must have eaten you up completely to have presented this as defence and correct interpretation of the barbaric cult-religion.
Why can't you use your brain for once, this is no scriptures for guidance.
This is the problem, is persecution truly worse than killing human being?, or slaughter human? Why should denying Mohammed access to Kaaba house of Idolatry where 365 idols are housed and are being worshipped worse than killing human beings.?
The virus of Islam must have eaten you up completely to have presented this as defence and correct interpretation of the barbaric cult-religion.
Why can't you use your brain for once, this is no scriptures for guidance.
written by Muslim and proud , February 23, 2012
Your islamaphobic mind forgets to realise that this also applies to Muslims
Persecution is WORSE than bloodshed - this would include terrorism btw
IF Muslims applied this then there would be no persecution on the par of Muslims and in this case if THEY are persecuted, fighting is ordained and becomes obligatory.
Persecution is WORSE than bloodshed - this would include terrorism btw
IF Muslims applied this then there would be no persecution on the par of Muslims and in this case if THEY are persecuted, fighting is ordained and becomes obligatory.
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , February 23, 2012
You still repeat this depraved message from the Pit of hell that Persecution is worse than bloodshed which include terrorism.
Now listen to what the Almighty God says in true scriptures about persecution whether that will sanitise your reasoning faculty or not.
Mt 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Mt 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mt 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
Mt 23:34 ¶ Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
1Th 5:15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.
Act 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
John 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
2Tim 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
What do you say about this?
Now listen to what the Almighty God says in true scriptures about persecution whether that will sanitise your reasoning faculty or not.
Mt 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Mt 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mt 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
Mt 23:34 ¶ Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
1Th 5:15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.
Act 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
John 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
2Tim 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
What do you say about this?
written by Muslim and proud , February 23, 2012
"What do you say about this?"
The Prophet who will come after Jesus is referred to as ‘the Master of the world’ in several places in the Gospels. (John, 14:30)
The Prophet who will come after Jesus is referred to as ‘the Master of the world’ in several places in the Gospels. (John, 14:30)
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , February 23, 2012
"The Prophet who will come after Jesus is referred to as ‘the Master of the world’ in several places in the Gospels. (John, 14:30) "
Which Gospel? Are you opening another subject?
You probably do not know that one’s level of spirituality or righteousness is not measured by how many infidels you kill or massacred or terrorized as taught by Mohammed, but how much you love your enemies, forgave those persecute you and how much you pray for them and for their good not for evil.
A religion that take delights in killing people simply because they did not believe in Mohammed’s hallucination is this a religion or a secret cult?
I am sorry that you have to proud of being a Muslim. It is a pity. If you really want to go to heaven listen to what Jesus has to say in all issues of life, including persecution.
I am waiting to hear and see all the several places in the Bible where the Pirate of Medina was mentioned as the master of the world. You speak like a deluded fellow.
Which Gospel? Are you opening another subject?
You probably do not know that one’s level of spirituality or righteousness is not measured by how many infidels you kill or massacred or terrorized as taught by Mohammed, but how much you love your enemies, forgave those persecute you and how much you pray for them and for their good not for evil.
A religion that take delights in killing people simply because they did not believe in Mohammed’s hallucination is this a religion or a secret cult?
I am sorry that you have to proud of being a Muslim. It is a pity. If you really want to go to heaven listen to what Jesus has to say in all issues of life, including persecution.
I am waiting to hear and see all the several places in the Bible where the Pirate of Medina was mentioned as the master of the world. You speak like a deluded fellow.
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , February 23, 2012
"Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me."
I know that you don’t know whom Jesus refered here as the prince of this world in this verse if you know it you would probably not refer to your master Mohammed.
The prince of this world is the devil he was the inspirer of Mohammed and Quran which I cannot contest.
If there is any verse that really foretold the coming of Mohammed I think it is this verse. So I agree with you that this verse was 100% fulfilled in Mohammed. Thank you very much for the revelation and I have no doubt in my heart that you are right I need more of such verses in the Bible that foretold the coming of Mohammed.
Another thing you need to know though is that the Prince of this world (Mohammed ) had no portion in Christ and in his kingdom which is true. In Mohammed kingdom there is copulations with virgin and wines flow freely but in Christ Kingdom none of such sensual brothel like-heaven exist.
Again you are right.
I know that you don’t know whom Jesus refered here as the prince of this world in this verse if you know it you would probably not refer to your master Mohammed.
The prince of this world is the devil he was the inspirer of Mohammed and Quran which I cannot contest.
If there is any verse that really foretold the coming of Mohammed I think it is this verse. So I agree with you that this verse was 100% fulfilled in Mohammed. Thank you very much for the revelation and I have no doubt in my heart that you are right I need more of such verses in the Bible that foretold the coming of Mohammed.
Another thing you need to know though is that the Prince of this world (Mohammed ) had no portion in Christ and in his kingdom which is true. In Mohammed kingdom there is copulations with virgin and wines flow freely but in Christ Kingdom none of such sensual brothel like-heaven exist.
Again you are right.
written by Muslim and proud , February 23, 2012
We believe in the Injeel (old testament), in which Prophet 'Isa (as) foretold of the arrival of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) - I realise this is painful for you.
written by duh_swami , February 23, 2012
It's no different to how Islamaphobes lile you misunderstand - in exactly the same way as all other Islamaphobes.
Bull sht bull shtter...The subject was jihai terrorists, not lying Islamophobes...My Islamophobic lies never killed anyone...You just obfuscated the question...again...Liar...Do you ever just give a straight forward answer or are they all taqiyya crooked?
Bull sht bull shtter...The subject was jihai terrorists, not lying Islamophobes...My Islamophobic lies never killed anyone...You just obfuscated the question...again...Liar...Do you ever just give a straight forward answer or are they all taqiyya crooked?
written by Muslim and proud , February 23, 2012
".My Islamophobic lies never killed anyone.."
They are still Islamaphobic lies nevertheless. Thanks for your confession my friend.
Have a nice day
They are still Islamaphobic lies nevertheless. Thanks for your confession my friend.
Have a nice day
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , February 23, 2012
"We believe in the Injeel (old testament), in which Prophet 'Isa (as) foretold of the arrival of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) - I realise this is painful for you."
Why do you say "I realise this is painful for you"? You just Qouted John 14:30 for me as refering to Mohammed and I say you are right. Why is it painful to me? Give me another verse and I will confirm or not confirm. I believe you have abandon the persecution issue you must have realised that those your Islamic qoutes on persecution are no religious scriptures at all but a political dogma like that of Hitler and his Nazism
Why should you be qouting a political manual for us as a religion?
Please who is Prophet Isa? We don't have such prophet in the New Testament which you call Injeel. Let me know whom are refering to. Do you actually have verses in the Quran that actually refered to the Jesus of the Bible? I would like to have such verses. Not those that refer to Isa of which you know is the Arabic name for Esau and not Jeshua in Hebrew which should have been Yesuh in Arabic. So Please be clear of whom you refer to as Isa.
Why do you say "I realise this is painful for you"? You just Qouted John 14:30 for me as refering to Mohammed and I say you are right. Why is it painful to me? Give me another verse and I will confirm or not confirm. I believe you have abandon the persecution issue you must have realised that those your Islamic qoutes on persecution are no religious scriptures at all but a political dogma like that of Hitler and his Nazism
Why should you be qouting a political manual for us as a religion?
Please who is Prophet Isa? We don't have such prophet in the New Testament which you call Injeel. Let me know whom are refering to. Do you actually have verses in the Quran that actually refered to the Jesus of the Bible? I would like to have such verses. Not those that refer to Isa of which you know is the Arabic name for Esau and not Jeshua in Hebrew which should have been Yesuh in Arabic. So Please be clear of whom you refer to as Isa.
written by duh_swami , February 23, 2012
They are still Islamaphobic lies nevertheless. Thanks for your confession my friend.
You are not very good at twisting statements fool...Every statement about Islam, Islamophobic or not, is a lie because Allah does not exist and Mohammad and his henchmen were liars...The only thing real is the deadly behavior done by people called Muslims who believe the lies...You know, you and your brothers...It's that jihad thing...
You are not very good at twisting statements fool...Every statement about Islam, Islamophobic or not, is a lie because Allah does not exist and Mohammad and his henchmen were liars...The only thing real is the deadly behavior done by people called Muslims who believe the lies...You know, you and your brothers...It's that jihad thing...
written by Muslim and proud , February 23, 2012
"I believe you have abandon the persecution issue you must have realised that those your Islamic qoutes on persecution are no religious scriptures at all but a political dogma like that of Hitler and his Nazism"
IF there is an issue, then it's YOUR issue.
IF there is an issue, then it's YOUR issue.
written by Muslim and proud , February 23, 2012
"Every statement about Islam, Islamophobic or not, is a lie because Allah does not exist and Mohammad and his henchmen were liars.."
Yawns
Wake me up when you decide to change the record....
Yawns
Yawns
Wake me up when you decide to change the record....
Yawns
written by Muslim and proud , February 23, 2012
"Every statement about Islam, Islamophobic or not, is a lie"
In that case everything said by the Islamaphobes on this website are also lies
Nice one
In that case everything said by the Islamaphobes on this website are also lies
Nice one
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , February 23, 2012
The whole discussion has become my issue, I hope you are not about to quit this site because is too much for you to bear.
Why not stay a little perhaps God will open yours eyes to salvation.
We need sound reasoning hear. If you cannot cope bye bye
Why not stay a little perhaps God will open yours eyes to salvation.
We need sound reasoning hear. If you cannot cope bye bye
written by duh_swami , February 23, 2012
In that case everything said by the Islamaphobes on this website are also lies
Nope your twisted mentality, they are comments on Islamic lies already told...Comments made about Islamic lies exposes the lies, not supports them...You are really poor at word magic and word trickery...In the word of my kuffar neighbor Daryl...'You ain't got no talent'...
Nope your twisted mentality, they are comments on Islamic lies already told...Comments made about Islamic lies exposes the lies, not supports them...You are really poor at word magic and word trickery...In the word of my kuffar neighbor Daryl...'You ain't got no talent'...
written by Muslim and proud , February 23, 2012
"The whole discussion has become my issue,"
Exactly - "your" issue
'I hope you are not about to quit this site because is too much for you to bear.'
Don't flatter yourself
"Why not stay a little perhaps God will open yours eyes to salvation."
Actually Mr Pastor, this site is great if any Muslim wants to learn about Islamaphobes and their pathetic attempts to 'tell the truth about Islam'.
Exactly - "your" issue
'I hope you are not about to quit this site because is too much for you to bear.'
Don't flatter yourself
"Why not stay a little perhaps God will open yours eyes to salvation."
Actually Mr Pastor, this site is great if any Muslim wants to learn about Islamaphobes and their pathetic attempts to 'tell the truth about Islam'.
written by Yibel , February 23, 2012
Why does anyone believe that Issa/Isa is Yah'shua/Jesus? The Qur'an stories are too vague about this individual. It does not record any of this person's sayings or teachings. It does not tell us about his life or the lives of his followers.
Actually, the Qur'an story of the birth of Issa/Isa (which means Lord in Sanskrit) is based on the story of the birth of Siddartha Gutama, the Buddha (Enlighted One) of India, not Yah'shua/Jesus of Nazareth, Judea.
Actually, the Qur'an story of the birth of Issa/Isa (which means Lord in Sanskrit) is based on the story of the birth of Siddartha Gutama, the Buddha (Enlighted One) of India, not Yah'shua/Jesus of Nazareth, Judea.
written by No More Confused , February 23, 2012
You right Pastor
Yibel is confused about this
Yibel is confused about this
written by No More Confused , February 23, 2012
Yibel/ Pastor
Above post is not mine
it is mother f***ker Muslim and Proud
son of a b**tch
Above post is not mine
it is mother f***ker Muslim and Proud
son of a b**tch
written by duh_swami , February 23, 2012
The psychotic M&MPP freaks out again...
written by duh_swami , February 23, 2012
Sorry Mr Pathetic, those are accurate psychiatric diagnosis...Are you on medications? Please list them... Have you ever been in a mental hospital, or had a psychiatric evaluation? How many times have you been arrested? When was the last time you physically assaulted an EDL member? Why do you hate your father? You can confide in me...
written by Yibel , February 23, 2012
Someone is posting using other people's names and it may be either M and P or his little buddy rzq (the one who posts like former poster aki/aaki). I'm sure the administrator will clear up the mess some time soon. Thank you for letting us know that this weasel is on board.
Anyone who is interested in the mythology of the birth of Buddha can google and compare the story with the Qur'an version of the birth of Isa. The similarities are remarkable. And the Qur'an version of the birth of Isa bears no resemblance to the Bible's story of the birth of Yah'shua/Jesus found in the Gospel According to Luke, New Testament.
Muslims only want to believe the Bible when they think it backs up their prophet's claim that he was mentioned in the Bible, but when there is a contradiction, then they run screaming and rioting and burning Bibles and killing people.
Burning other people's holy scriptures, destroying other people's temples, synagogs, churches, etc. is A-okay for Muslims to do; but don't burn their stuff, even accidently, or they will riot and kill people. See the latest news out of Afganistan, the rioting over the burning of Qur'ans (jihadwatch dot com)
Best to you and yours,
Yibel
Anyone who is interested in the mythology of the birth of Buddha can google and compare the story with the Qur'an version of the birth of Isa. The similarities are remarkable. And the Qur'an version of the birth of Isa bears no resemblance to the Bible's story of the birth of Yah'shua/Jesus found in the Gospel According to Luke, New Testament.
Muslims only want to believe the Bible when they think it backs up their prophet's claim that he was mentioned in the Bible, but when there is a contradiction, then they run screaming and rioting and burning Bibles and killing people.
Burning other people's holy scriptures, destroying other people's temples, synagogs, churches, etc. is A-okay for Muslims to do; but don't burn their stuff, even accidently, or they will riot and kill people. See the latest news out of Afganistan, the rioting over the burning of Qur'ans (jihadwatch dot com)
Best to you and yours,
Yibel
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , February 24, 2012
I saw a post purported to have been from me calling your beautiful contribution about the identify of Issa of the Quran as foolish. It was from the enemy. Jesus would say the enemy has done this.
The impostor probably knows that we share a lot in common as Christian’s posters in this site. Please take it cool. I hope the administrator of this site will devise ways of controlling this kind of imposition.
Some of those posts that goes against the truth we know about Islam are not from me.
Cheers
The impostor probably knows that we share a lot in common as Christian’s posters in this site. Please take it cool. I hope the administrator of this site will devise ways of controlling this kind of imposition.
Some of those posts that goes against the truth we know about Islam are not from me.
Cheers
written by Muslim & Proud , February 24, 2012
"Burning other people's holy scriptures, destroying other people's temples, synagogs, churches, etc. is A-okay for Muslims to do;"
"Some" muslims might think it is......
You have made a sweeping statement my christian friend. Maybe you can attempt to justifiy it.
Please provide evidence from the Holy Qur'an and/or Hadith, which makes it permissible for muslims to:
1 - Burn other proples Holy Scriptures
2 - Destroy other peoples places of worship
I'm waiting.......with anticipation.
"Some" muslims might think it is......
You have made a sweeping statement my christian friend. Maybe you can attempt to justifiy it.
Please provide evidence from the Holy Qur'an and/or Hadith, which makes it permissible for muslims to:
1 - Burn other proples Holy Scriptures
2 - Destroy other peoples places of worship
I'm waiting.......with anticipation.
written by duh_swami , February 24, 2012
You have made a sweeping statement my christian friend. Maybe you can attempt to justifiy it.
Please provide evidence from the Holy Qur'an and/or Hadith, which makes it permissible for muslims to:
1 - Burn other proples Holy Scriptures
2 - Destroy other peoples places of worship
How many examples do you want loser? Christian persecutions and purges are going on in many Muslim lands...You should be asking your brothers where this behavior is justified in Quran, not Christians...'Some Muslims' is a lot of Muslims you liar...Lets see some evidence where you tell your brothers that thir behavior is wrong, wrong, wrong...You are indeed a hypocrite...Allah is watching...
Please provide evidence from the Holy Qur'an and/or Hadith, which makes it permissible for muslims to:
1 - Burn other proples Holy Scriptures
2 - Destroy other peoples places of worship
How many examples do you want loser? Christian persecutions and purges are going on in many Muslim lands...You should be asking your brothers where this behavior is justified in Quran, not Christians...'Some Muslims' is a lot of Muslims you liar...Lets see some evidence where you tell your brothers that thir behavior is wrong, wrong, wrong...You are indeed a hypocrite...Allah is watching...
written by Muslim & Proud , February 24, 2012
I have asked Mr Pastor the question - I hope he obliges......although I'm not counting on it.
In the meantine:
"Christian persecutions and purges are going on in many Muslim lands..."
That is no evidence to prove that ISLAM makes it permissible.
"'Some Muslims' is a lot of Muslims you liar..."
That is no evidence to prove that ISLAM makes it permissible.
"Lets see some evidence where you tell your brothers that thir behavior is wrong, wrong, wrong..."
It's that time again Duh, where I ask you for evidence and you run away like a little rat. Please provide ONE single link to an Islamic websote where it promotes:
1 - Burning other Holy Scriptures
2 - The destroying of other places of worship
Good luck and try not to waffle on - i'd rather you find the evidence and (for once) justify what you are saying.
Good luck my friend.
Ps. Mr Pastor - I'm still waiting my christian friend.
In the meantine:
"Christian persecutions and purges are going on in many Muslim lands..."
That is no evidence to prove that ISLAM makes it permissible.
"'Some Muslims' is a lot of Muslims you liar..."
That is no evidence to prove that ISLAM makes it permissible.
"Lets see some evidence where you tell your brothers that thir behavior is wrong, wrong, wrong..."
It's that time again Duh, where I ask you for evidence and you run away like a little rat. Please provide ONE single link to an Islamic websote where it promotes:
1 - Burning other Holy Scriptures
2 - The destroying of other places of worship
Good luck and try not to waffle on - i'd rather you find the evidence and (for once) justify what you are saying.
Good luck my friend.
Ps. Mr Pastor - I'm still waiting my christian friend.
written by Cerebrum123 , February 24, 2012
This is beginning to look like something from Star Wars.
@ Duh
I did not REFUSE to talk with these Muslims. I told you specifically that I hadn't read an article where they had posted.
@Muslim and Proud and rzq
You two keep calling people on here "Islamophobes" ,and as Duh has pointed out to other Muslims (I don't know if he has mentioned this to you two yet) implies an IRRATIONAL fear of Islam. Since it's pretty rational to fear being killed by someone ,and Islam teaches to kill ALL non-Muslims ,I think it's pretty rational to have a fear of Islam.
@ Duh
I did not REFUSE to talk with these Muslims. I told you specifically that I hadn't read an article where they had posted.
@Muslim and Proud and rzq
You two keep calling people on here "Islamophobes" ,and as Duh has pointed out to other Muslims (I don't know if he has mentioned this to you two yet) implies an IRRATIONAL fear of Islam. Since it's pretty rational to fear being killed by someone ,and Islam teaches to kill ALL non-Muslims ,I think it's pretty rational to have a fear of Islam.
written by duh_swami , February 24, 2012
That is no evidence to prove that ISLAM makes it permissible.
Who is it that is persecuting and murdering Christians in Muslim lands ? Mormons? Episcopalians? Wiccans? Not even once Punk, it's 100% Muslims and Allahu Akbar is their battle cry...You are a mangy cur, trying to make your murderous brothers some kind of victims Puke on you and your evil religion...You murderous lout...You know what you can do with Allah and your evil book...Your sickening...
Who is it that is persecuting and murdering Christians in Muslim lands ? Mormons? Episcopalians? Wiccans? Not even once Punk, it's 100% Muslims and Allahu Akbar is their battle cry...You are a mangy cur, trying to make your murderous brothers some kind of victims Puke on you and your evil religion...You murderous lout...You know what you can do with Allah and your evil book...Your sickening...
written by Muslim & Proud , February 24, 2012
Its obvious your head is firmly stuck somewhere it shouldn't be and there is no room for manouvre. I would prefer not to waste my time with people who have no etiquette on hoe to dicuss in a civil manner.
You can carry on talking to yourself.
Rzq - Don't waste your time with this bigot bro.....he's not worth it.
You can carry on talking to yourself.
Rzq - Don't waste your time with this bigot bro.....he's not worth it.
written by clement-Islam-Watch pastor , February 24, 2012
"Burning other people's holy scriptures, destroying other people's temples, synagogs, churches, etc. is A-okay for Muslims to do;"
The above quote was not from me. One of the forgery of your people.
"You have made a sweeping statement my christian friend. Maybe you can attempt to justifiy it. "
Assumed I made such sweeping statement I can give you 1001 reference from your scriptures where the Terrorist and suicide bumblers get their inspiration.
Have you forgotten your famous quote here that persecution is worse than slaughter?
Now someone who believes that speaking reverently about his prophet is persecution will definite kill you or burn your church because he believes persecutions is worse than terrorism.
Apart from this there are several verses direct command to kill the unbelievers especially Jews, Christians and polytheist in the Quran. If you want I can copy pest for you. But these verses are not scarce in this site except if you are sincere.
The above quote was not from me. One of the forgery of your people.
"You have made a sweeping statement my christian friend. Maybe you can attempt to justifiy it. "
Assumed I made such sweeping statement I can give you 1001 reference from your scriptures where the Terrorist and suicide bumblers get their inspiration.
Have you forgotten your famous quote here that persecution is worse than slaughter?
Now someone who believes that speaking reverently about his prophet is persecution will definite kill you or burn your church because he believes persecutions is worse than terrorism.
Apart from this there are several verses direct command to kill the unbelievers especially Jews, Christians and polytheist in the Quran. If you want I can copy pest for you. But these verses are not scarce in this site except if you are sincere.
written by Muslim & Proud , February 24, 2012
"Burning other people's holy scriptures, destroying other people's temples, synagogs, churches, etc. is A-okay for Muslims to do;"
The above quote was not from me. One of the forgery of your people.
Please provide the reference in that case.
Assumed I made such sweeping statement I can give you 1001 reference from your scriptures where the Terrorist and suicide bumblers get their inspiration.
So if customs allow me to bring back 200 cigarettes from abroad and I decide to bring back 2000, the fault lies with customs?
Apart from this there are several verses direct command to kill the unbelievers especially Jews, Christians and polytheist in the Quran.
Please prove, from the Holy Qur'an, by including Exegesis for each verse that you quote........good luck Mr Pastor.
The above quote was not from me. One of the forgery of your people.
Please provide the reference in that case.
Assumed I made such sweeping statement I can give you 1001 reference from your scriptures where the Terrorist and suicide bumblers get their inspiration.
So if customs allow me to bring back 200 cigarettes from abroad and I decide to bring back 2000, the fault lies with customs?
Apart from this there are several verses direct command to kill the unbelievers especially Jews, Christians and polytheist in the Quran.
Please prove, from the Holy Qur'an, by including Exegesis for each verse that you quote........good luck Mr Pastor.
written by Yibel , February 24, 2012
"Burning other people's holy scriptures, destroying other people's temples, synagogs, churches, etc. is A-okay for Muslims to do;"
The above quote was from me, not Pastor Clement.
All over the world, from Indonesia to North Africa, wherever Muslims reach a critical mass of explosive violence, they attack the non-Muslims, destroying their cultures, their holy books, their literature, their houses of worship, and their very lives. this has been going on now for nearly 1400 years.
There are 164 verses in the Qur'an calling for warfare against non-Muslims. Here are a few (list to follow):
5:33 "(unbelievers who do not submit & not paying jizyah) crucifixion" "mischief (trouble) in the (Muslim) land" i.e. 7:103 "those who made mischief ... reject Allah's signs (Quran, Islam, pay jizyah 9:29, ...)"
Kill infidels for Allah - 9:5 + 9:29 wich fulfills in 9:111 "slay and are slain"
Bukhari Vol 1 Bk 7 Nbr 1331:
After quoting Quran 5:17, Muhammad said: "Infidels are those who declare God is the Christ, [Jesus] son of Mary," he expounded by saying any association between a human and God (in Arabic, shirk) is the greatest sin: "Whoever thinks the Christ is God, or the Son of God, not symbolically — for we are all sons of God — but attributively, has rejected the faith which God requires for salvation," thereby becoming an infidel.
Bukhari Vol 4 Bk 52 Nbr 196: Mohammed said, "I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say,'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah."
Quran-8:65: "O Apostle! Rouse the believers to fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred; if a 100 , they will vanquish a 1,000 of the unbelievers.."
Quran-8:66:"...if there are a 100 of you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish 2,00, and if a 1,000 , they will vanquish 2,000 with the leave of Allah-" (This fabulous verse was written in the diary of Muhammad Ata the leader of 9/11 terrorists).
Quran-4:78: "Where ye are, death will find you, even if ye are in Towers, built up strong and tall" (Twin towers, perhaps?)
Quran-2:193: "And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression."
(Islamic definition of "Tumult or oppression" is preventing Muslims from waging Jihad.) 2:216 Warfare is ordained for you.
Perhaps it is your lack of knowledge about the history of the Islamic cult and its teachings that allows you to be a member without this bothering your conscience?
The above quote was from me, not Pastor Clement.
All over the world, from Indonesia to North Africa, wherever Muslims reach a critical mass of explosive violence, they attack the non-Muslims, destroying their cultures, their holy books, their literature, their houses of worship, and their very lives. this has been going on now for nearly 1400 years.
There are 164 verses in the Qur'an calling for warfare against non-Muslims. Here are a few (list to follow):
5:33 "(unbelievers who do not submit & not paying jizyah) crucifixion" "mischief (trouble) in the (Muslim) land" i.e. 7:103 "those who made mischief ... reject Allah's signs (Quran, Islam, pay jizyah 9:29, ...)"
Kill infidels for Allah - 9:5 + 9:29 wich fulfills in 9:111 "slay and are slain"
Bukhari Vol 1 Bk 7 Nbr 1331:
After quoting Quran 5:17, Muhammad said: "Infidels are those who declare God is the Christ, [Jesus] son of Mary," he expounded by saying any association between a human and God (in Arabic, shirk) is the greatest sin: "Whoever thinks the Christ is God, or the Son of God, not symbolically — for we are all sons of God — but attributively, has rejected the faith which God requires for salvation," thereby becoming an infidel.
Bukhari Vol 4 Bk 52 Nbr 196: Mohammed said, "I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say,'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah."
Quran-8:65: "O Apostle! Rouse the believers to fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred; if a 100 , they will vanquish a 1,000 of the unbelievers.."
Quran-8:66:"...if there are a 100 of you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish 2,00, and if a 1,000 , they will vanquish 2,000 with the leave of Allah-" (This fabulous verse was written in the diary of Muhammad Ata the leader of 9/11 terrorists).
Quran-4:78: "Where ye are, death will find you, even if ye are in Towers, built up strong and tall" (Twin towers, perhaps?)
Quran-2:193: "And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression."
(Islamic definition of "Tumult or oppression" is preventing Muslims from waging Jihad.) 2:216 Warfare is ordained for you.
Perhaps it is your lack of knowledge about the history of the Islamic cult and its teachings that allows you to be a member without this bothering your conscience?
written by Muslim and proud , February 24, 2012
Yibel,
I asked for evidence which makes it permissible for musls to:
1 - Burn other Holy Scriptures
2 - Destroy other places of worship
Please try again.
I asked for evidence which makes it permissible for musls to:
1 - Burn other Holy Scriptures
2 - Destroy other places of worship
Please try again.
written by Clement-Islam-watch pastor , February 25, 2012
"I asked for evidence which makes it permissible for musls to:"
You seem to have problem understanding even your own scriptures. Those terrorist who understand the Quran appear are well educated than you.
Yibel gave you what you demanded for and you say no evidence. Are you so affected by the virus of islam that the reasoning part of your brain has top functioning?
Any way we want more people like you in Islam who don't understand Mohammad and his Quran so that we can live peacefully together.
Cheers
You seem to have problem understanding even your own scriptures. Those terrorist who understand the Quran appear are well educated than you.
Yibel gave you what you demanded for and you say no evidence. Are you so affected by the virus of islam that the reasoning part of your brain has top functioning?
Any way we want more people like you in Islam who don't understand Mohammad and his Quran so that we can live peacefully together.
Cheers
written by Muslim & Proud , February 25, 2012
You seem to have problem understanding even your own scriptures. Those terrorist who understand the Quran appear are well educated than you.
So according to you, it is the terrorists who correctly understand the Holy Qur'an......very irrational of you indeed.
Yibel gave you what you demanded for and you say no evidence. Are you so affected by the virus of islam that the reasoning part of your brain has top functioning?
Top functioning?
It is no good cherry picking verses Mr PAstor - I could do the same, for example:
Matthew 10:34
“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.”
Cheers
written by duh_swami , February 25, 2012
Matthew 10:34
“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.”
You have displayed your ignorance once again numb nuts, son of mangy cur...Jesus never owned a real steel sword...The sword referred to is a symbolic magical sword...used to cut away the unwanted...But of course they didn't teach you that in mangy cur school...
“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.”
You have displayed your ignorance once again numb nuts, son of mangy cur...Jesus never owned a real steel sword...The sword referred to is a symbolic magical sword...used to cut away the unwanted...But of course they didn't teach you that in mangy cur school...
written by rzq , February 25, 2012
"Yibel
written by Muslim and proud , February 24, 2012
Yibel,
I asked for evidence which makes it permissible for musls to:
1 - Burn other Holy Scriptures
2 - Destroy other places of worship
Please try again."
Here check this:
http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=ARTICLES&id=1298391666
Peace loving Christians destroying stuff!
written by Muslim and proud , February 24, 2012
Yibel,
I asked for evidence which makes it permissible for musls to:
1 - Burn other Holy Scriptures
2 - Destroy other places of worship
Please try again."
Here check this:
http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=ARTICLES&id=1298391666
Peace loving Christians destroying stuff!
written by duh_swami , February 25, 2012
I asked for evidence which makes it permissible for musls to:
1 - Burn other Holy Scriptures
2 - Destroy other places of worship
Fool, those are tactics used by jihadi's who attack Christians and other religious people, their books and their churches, temples etc...
The Quran does not order suicide bombers, or roadside bombs either, but they happen because of the original orders to fight all non believers until the world worships Allah...
There is nothing in the Quran about shooting guns at kuffar, but Muslims shoot guns at kuffar just the same...Go to school little boy, learn something useful...
1 - Burn other Holy Scriptures
2 - Destroy other places of worship
Fool, those are tactics used by jihadi's who attack Christians and other religious people, their books and their churches, temples etc...
The Quran does not order suicide bombers, or roadside bombs either, but they happen because of the original orders to fight all non believers until the world worships Allah...
There is nothing in the Quran about shooting guns at kuffar, but Muslims shoot guns at kuffar just the same...Go to school little boy, learn something useful...
written by Muslim and proud , February 25, 2012
"Peace loving Christians destroying stuff! "
Indeed - glass houses and that
I wonder what Mr Pastor thinks about it - no doubt it will somehow become the fault of Muslims :-s
Indeed - glass houses and that
I wonder what Mr Pastor thinks about it - no doubt it will somehow become the fault of Muslims :-s
written by Cerebrum123 , February 25, 2012
Those actions are done to instill terror into the hearts of the infidels. Didn't Mohammed say that he was "made victorious trough terror"? Mohammed had the idols in the Kaaba destroyed ,and this was a demoralizing tactic. It helped put the newly conquered Meccans into a state of despair ,and made them submit easier. It was a sign to them that their gods were helpless. With the kind of "relationship" that Mohammed had with Allah it's not too hard to imagine why the conquered would convert.
Also not only the above methods of killing mentioned by Duh ,but kijacking airplanes and flying them into buildings ,and grenades ,rocket launchers etc. are not explicitly mentioned in the Quran ,but they are certainly more efficient ways to kill kufr than swords ,and clubs.
Also not only the above methods of killing mentioned by Duh ,but kijacking airplanes and flying them into buildings ,and grenades ,rocket launchers etc. are not explicitly mentioned in the Quran ,but they are certainly more efficient ways to kill kufr than swords ,and clubs.
written by duh_swami , February 25, 2012
Indeed - glass houses and that
That's called tu quoque, pus boy, and its use is always dishonest...
No matter what Christians destroy punk, it is not an excuse for Muslim destructive behavior that happens far more often...You stupid freaks destroy your own sacred artifacts as well as those of others...
That's called tu quoque, pus boy, and its use is always dishonest...
No matter what Christians destroy punk, it is not an excuse for Muslim destructive behavior that happens far more often...You stupid freaks destroy your own sacred artifacts as well as those of others...
written by rzq , February 25, 2012
He certainly did get rid of idolatory from the plane of hijaz!
Just the idea of monotheism instilled terror into the heart of the pagans!
You didnt say whether you agreed with the Christians in Korea?
Yeah you guys do indeed have the methods for killing.
Drones, helicopter gunships, sniper rifles etc etc.
"The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion (to which few members of other civilizations were converted) but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do."
Just the idea of monotheism instilled terror into the heart of the pagans!
You didnt say whether you agreed with the Christians in Korea?
Yeah you guys do indeed have the methods for killing.
Drones, helicopter gunships, sniper rifles etc etc.
"The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion (to which few members of other civilizations were converted) but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do."
written by duh_swami , February 25, 2012
Yeah you guys do indeed have the methods for killing.
Drones, helicopter gunships, sniper rifles etc etc.
It's not 'you guys' Defeated one, it's government...Didn't anyone tell you that governments, every where and every when, are the enemies of humanity? Who else runs around in tanks, bomber planes, drones, missiles, field artillery, battle ships and foot soldiers killing as many people as possible? Only governments and wanna be governments, rebels, insurgents, jihadists, terrorists, do that...Islam is every bit the enemy of humanity because it is just another government, it has it's own bases, Caliphate, its own forts, mosques, it's own rulers, Ayatollahs, Imams, Mufti's etc, it has it's own law system sharia, and it's own army, jihadists...The only difference between these government enemies is that only the government of Islam has Allah, and a cursed book called Quran...That makes all Muslims 'you guys', while only a small number of kuffar qualify...
Drones, helicopter gunships, sniper rifles etc etc.
It's not 'you guys' Defeated one, it's government...Didn't anyone tell you that governments, every where and every when, are the enemies of humanity? Who else runs around in tanks, bomber planes, drones, missiles, field artillery, battle ships and foot soldiers killing as many people as possible? Only governments and wanna be governments, rebels, insurgents, jihadists, terrorists, do that...Islam is every bit the enemy of humanity because it is just another government, it has it's own bases, Caliphate, its own forts, mosques, it's own rulers, Ayatollahs, Imams, Mufti's etc, it has it's own law system sharia, and it's own army, jihadists...The only difference between these government enemies is that only the government of Islam has Allah, and a cursed book called Quran...That makes all Muslims 'you guys', while only a small number of kuffar qualify...
written by Muslim & Proud , February 25, 2012
Remember to ignore the bigot bro......he's not worth the effort....
Let him continue to bark......lol
Let him continue to bark......lol
written by rzq , February 25, 2012
Don't worry about it. Duh is a dick, official.
You know the link that khan gave you about hadiths being works of amazing scholarship, that article was written in 2009!
I looked at the comment section and guess what?
Yes duh was talking bollocks even back then. This sad twat has spent 3 tears if his worthless life spamming! I do not give this tosser the time of day!
You know the link that khan gave you about hadiths being works of amazing scholarship, that article was written in 2009!
I looked at the comment section and guess what?
Yes duh was talking bollocks even back then. This sad twat has spent 3 tears if his worthless life spamming! I do not give this tosser the time of day!
written by Muslim & Proud , February 25, 2012
"Don't worry about it. Duh is a dick, official."
ROFL
"Yes duh was talking bollocks even back then. This sad twat has spent 3 tears if his worthless life spamming! I do not give this tosser the time of day!"
PMSL
Couldn't agree more my brother.
ROFL
"Yes duh was talking bollocks even back then. This sad twat has spent 3 tears if his worthless life spamming! I do not give this tosser the time of day!"
PMSL
Couldn't agree more my brother.
written by duh_swami , February 25, 2012
Who cares what you jihadi terrorists think about anything...You are Mutt and Jeff, bevis and butthead, Amos and Andy, Abbott and Costello, Laurel and Hardy, Lewis and Martin...In other words, clowns...But you are evil and deadly clowns where the others were not...
You will avoid me because you are afraid of me...I generate fear in your guts because you know I am right, that you both worship the pus and sewage called Quran...it rubs off on you and it shows...
You will avoid me because you are afraid of me...I generate fear in your guts because you know I am right, that you both worship the pus and sewage called Quran...it rubs off on you and it shows...
written by then lie , February 25, 2012
Muhammad from Paran in old statement in habakuk
3) God (Allah) came from Teman Paran and the Holy One from Mount Paran [Arabia]. Selah [pause, and calmly think of that]! His glory covered the heavens and the earth was full of His praise.
(12) You marched through the land in indignation; You trampled and threshed the nations in anger.
this true fact Allah say with his prophet .Allah is the one
Surah 112. Al-Ikhlas
1. Say: He is Allah, the One!
2. Allah, the eternally Besought of all!
3. He begetteth not nor was begotten.
4. And there is none comparable unto Him.Allah is the one.
3) God (Allah) came from Teman Paran and the Holy One from Mount Paran [Arabia]. Selah [pause, and calmly think of that]! His glory covered the heavens and the earth was full of His praise.
(12) You marched through the land in indignation; You trampled and threshed the nations in anger.
this true fact Allah say with his prophet .Allah is the one
Surah 112. Al-Ikhlas
1. Say: He is Allah, the One!
2. Allah, the eternally Besought of all!
3. He begetteth not nor was begotten.
4. And there is none comparable unto Him.Allah is the one.
written by duh_swami , February 26, 2012
1. Say: He is Allah, the One!
1.A. The 1. is the 2. that morphed into the 3...1+2+3=6. The number of YHVH Holy Hexagram...Not Allah..._
2. Allah, the eternally Besought of all!
2 .A. Many have looked for him...They have looked upstairs, downstairs, in the attic and in the basement, but no one has ever found him...But Muslims know he is hidden somewhere, so the search go's on...
3. He begetteth not nor was begotten.
3. A. It's true he was not begotten, that;s why he has credit at the grocery store...
4. And there is none comparable unto Him.Allah is the one.
4. A. His picture is on the wall at the post office, on the most wanted criminal list...
1.A. The 1. is the 2. that morphed into the 3...1+2+3=6. The number of YHVH Holy Hexagram...Not Allah..._
2. Allah, the eternally Besought of all!
2 .A. Many have looked for him...They have looked upstairs, downstairs, in the attic and in the basement, but no one has ever found him...But Muslims know he is hidden somewhere, so the search go's on...
3. He begetteth not nor was begotten.
3. A. It's true he was not begotten, that;s why he has credit at the grocery store...
4. And there is none comparable unto Him.Allah is the one.
4. A. His picture is on the wall at the post office, on the most wanted criminal list...
written by then lie , February 27, 2012
you never use your mind.you sick hearth.all the people in the world now back to islam.billion people.they very clever
written by Yibel , February 27, 2012
In reference to Habakuk 3:3:
The Hebrew prophet Habakuk was referring to the Old Testament passage in the Bible (Deuteronomy 33:2) where Moses said during his blessing of the children of Israel:"The lord YHVH came forth from Mt. Sinai and rose up from Seir unto them; He shined forth from Mt. Paran, and he came with 10,000 of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law (the 10 commandments) for them (the children of Israel).
This passage has nothing what-so-ever to do with Muhammad and his pantheon of 99 Chaldean/Assyrian/Babylonian gods, or his Allah (al-Ah the Egyptian moon god).
Habakuk, the seer, had a vision of the coming of YHVH (chapter 3 is written in a
future tense) when YHVH will come forth for the salvation of His people: the Jews and the Christians.
Habakuk's vision:
Verse 3:12 "You (YHVH) marched through the land in indignation; You (YHVH) trampled and threshed the HEATHEN in anger. 3:14 (The heathen are those who rejoice in devouring the poor. Islam is the devouring beast spoken of in Daniel 7 and Revelations 13):
Mu'min are idolators. They worship a stone (a Yoni) mounted on the side of a very ugly old building drapped in a big black burqah.
"Woe to him that sayeth to the dumb stone "Awake, Arise, it shall teach!" Behold it is laid over with silver, and there is no breath at all in the midst of it." 3:19
The Hebrew prophet Habakuk was referring to the Old Testament passage in the Bible (Deuteronomy 33:2) where Moses said during his blessing of the children of Israel:"The lord YHVH came forth from Mt. Sinai and rose up from Seir unto them; He shined forth from Mt. Paran, and he came with 10,000 of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law (the 10 commandments) for them (the children of Israel).
This passage has nothing what-so-ever to do with Muhammad and his pantheon of 99 Chaldean/Assyrian/Babylonian gods, or his Allah (al-Ah the Egyptian moon god).
Habakuk, the seer, had a vision of the coming of YHVH (chapter 3 is written in a
future tense) when YHVH will come forth for the salvation of His people: the Jews and the Christians.
Habakuk's vision:
Verse 3:12 "You (YHVH) marched through the land in indignation; You (YHVH) trampled and threshed the HEATHEN in anger. 3:14 (The heathen are those who rejoice in devouring the poor. Islam is the devouring beast spoken of in Daniel 7 and Revelations 13):
Mu'min are idolators. They worship a stone (a Yoni) mounted on the side of a very ugly old building drapped in a big black burqah.
"Woe to him that sayeth to the dumb stone "Awake, Arise, it shall teach!" Behold it is laid over with silver, and there is no breath at all in the midst of it." 3:19
written by Muslim and proud , February 27, 2012
When watching the video, pay attention to what the respected Rabbi is saying. It will obviously be painful - do not worry about the pain my friend. The truth is not always easy to accept. It's a fact and you can do diddly squat about it.
written by duh_swami , February 27, 2012
you never use your mind.you sick hearth.all the people in the world now back to islam.billion people.they very clever
I use my mind so much it heats up and the insulation on the wires starts melting...I don;t think my hearth is sick, I swept it off the other day and it looked fine...I didn't quite understand the rest of it, but there are not a billion clever people in Islam, only two or three are clever, the rest just go fishing...
I use my mind so much it heats up and the insulation on the wires starts melting...I don;t think my hearth is sick, I swept it off the other day and it looked fine...I didn't quite understand the rest of it, but there are not a billion clever people in Islam, only two or three are clever, the rest just go fishing...
written by Muslim and proud , February 27, 2012
"there are not a billion clever people in Islam, only two or three are clever"
Duh only knows 3 Muslims
You
Me
Rzq
Duh only knows 3 Muslims
You
Me
Rzq
written by duh_swami , February 27, 2012
I know one more Muslim, Satan...He is the lord of clever...He eats clever Muslims for lunch, yum yum...It's best for you if you just stay clever and don't get smart...except to stay one step ahead of Satan who is closing in on you clever guys...I get daily reports...
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , February 28, 2012
"I know one more Muslim, Satan...He is the lord of clever..."
I am sure the true Muslim will not take the above statement as an insult, but a true saying of the Quran
You remember that Jinn surah in the Quran where some demons were converted to Islam when they heard the preaching or the recitation of the Quran. There are actually many demons that are Muslim. It was actually after the demon (Jinn) surah that Mohammed started succeeding in most of his Islamic raids, because the demons where fighting alongside with his gangsters now branded jihadists.
You remember in the inaugural Quran at the cave in Hira Satan almost squeeze out life from Mohammed when he ran to his aged wife cover cover me for he taught that he was demon possessed. It was a harrowing experience to receive message from Satan you know. And since then he had been the mouth piece of Satan.
Cheers.
I am sure the true Muslim will not take the above statement as an insult, but a true saying of the Quran
You remember that Jinn surah in the Quran where some demons were converted to Islam when they heard the preaching or the recitation of the Quran. There are actually many demons that are Muslim. It was actually after the demon (Jinn) surah that Mohammed started succeeding in most of his Islamic raids, because the demons where fighting alongside with his gangsters now branded jihadists.
You remember in the inaugural Quran at the cave in Hira Satan almost squeeze out life from Mohammed when he ran to his aged wife cover cover me for he taught that he was demon possessed. It was a harrowing experience to receive message from Satan you know. And since then he had been the mouth piece of Satan.
Cheers.
written by Muslim & Proud , February 28, 2012
http://religionvirus.blogspot....ed-to.html
Christian Fundamentalism linked to Domestic Violence
"I guess I'm not surprised by this. To believe that the Bible has no errors you have to completely shut your mind off. The Bible is full of errors, all glaringly obvious for anyone to see. Anyone who can accept the evangelical interpretation of Christianity is not someone who can make rational judgements about morality. They've accepted the Biblical stories of their God's cruelty, genocide, infanticide and petulance as true stories rather than parables and lessons."
Enjoy
Christian Fundamentalism linked to Domestic Violence
"I guess I'm not surprised by this. To believe that the Bible has no errors you have to completely shut your mind off. The Bible is full of errors, all glaringly obvious for anyone to see. Anyone who can accept the evangelical interpretation of Christianity is not someone who can make rational judgements about morality. They've accepted the Biblical stories of their God's cruelty, genocide, infanticide and petulance as true stories rather than parables and lessons."
Enjoy
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , February 28, 2012
"Christian Fundamentalism linked to Domestic Violence"
My friend I think it will do you good if you learn to convince us with Bible fundamental teachings that leads to Domestic violence than to quoting what other depraved and biased mortal said of what they think. Why not quote those Christians scriptures for us see as we do with the Quran and hadith not what other people think about Islam but what the Quran and hadith say about true Islam.
If you don't have any point against Christ teachings you better keep quite
written by rzq , February 28, 2012
Kill Sons of Sinners
Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
God Will Kill Children
The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children." (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)
Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
God Will Kill Children
The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children." (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)
written by rzq , February 28, 2012
Kill Men, Women, and Children
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)
God Kills all the First Born of Egypt
And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)
God Kills all the First Born of Egypt
And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)
written by duh_swami , February 28, 2012
Kill Sons of Sinners
Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
That's not Christianity idiot...None of your OT quotes are Christianity...Christianity is about Christ, you find him in the New Testament. The OT is a collection real and imaginary events and people, symbolism...and ancient Jewish law...
'And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt'...There is no evidence that this, and others like it, ever occurred in reality...The entire OT except for the Law parts, and the historical parts, is a symbolic representation of causation, creation, and the establishment of life on Earth....Of course, I really don't expect that this would be understood by idiots...
Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
That's not Christianity idiot...None of your OT quotes are Christianity...Christianity is about Christ, you find him in the New Testament. The OT is a collection real and imaginary events and people, symbolism...and ancient Jewish law...
'And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt'...There is no evidence that this, and others like it, ever occurred in reality...The entire OT except for the Law parts, and the historical parts, is a symbolic representation of causation, creation, and the establishment of life on Earth....Of course, I really don't expect that this would be understood by idiots...
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , February 28, 2012
Thanks for the enlightment to these guys. I think I have addressed this issues somewhere but let me copy paste here
"You will discover that all your Quotation are all from the Old Testament. You will not find a single verse from the New Testament that look like the one you quoted why? You would need to understand the background information of why we have two Testaments instead of one Testament to be able understand why the OT appears to contain harsh and instant judgment as opposed to the God of love who appear not to bother about the evil of men now in the New Testament.
1.When God called the Children of Israel out of bondage in Egypt he gave them a land in cannan to dwell in at this time both the judicial and executive and spiritual power rested on the leader who was in constant relationship with God almighty.(This is what is called Theocracy) the State and the church are one. But in the New Testament this is separated.
2.In the old Testament both the Criminal law and moral law are judged instantly but in the New Testament while the criminal Law are handled by the state, the moral and all sin committed against God are deterred till the day of Judgment. This was the teaching of Jesus in John 8 where he said that only saints without sin that can stone an adulterer and since is only God that is sinless all Judgment of stoning is deferred and only God can judged moral sins of men and not man. He also said give unto Caesar that which is for Caesars and God’s what is Gods’ thereby separating the state from the Church. This is not abrogation of God’s word because the word of God shall stand forever and no ditto of God law can fail.
3.During the formative stage of the state of Israel they were commanded to kill everyone in the land they were to possessed without any exception whether a woman or a child. This war was not for booty or and adventurist to acquire more empire like in the case of Islam but to take possession of the land so described with boundary, anything outside the boundary is not affected by this command. Even today Israel is fighting for land to put their head and call their home land only.
Do you think you understand? If you have some further objection, feel free to ask".
"You will discover that all your Quotation are all from the Old Testament. You will not find a single verse from the New Testament that look like the one you quoted why? You would need to understand the background information of why we have two Testaments instead of one Testament to be able understand why the OT appears to contain harsh and instant judgment as opposed to the God of love who appear not to bother about the evil of men now in the New Testament.
1.When God called the Children of Israel out of bondage in Egypt he gave them a land in cannan to dwell in at this time both the judicial and executive and spiritual power rested on the leader who was in constant relationship with God almighty.(This is what is called Theocracy) the State and the church are one. But in the New Testament this is separated.
2.In the old Testament both the Criminal law and moral law are judged instantly but in the New Testament while the criminal Law are handled by the state, the moral and all sin committed against God are deterred till the day of Judgment. This was the teaching of Jesus in John 8 where he said that only saints without sin that can stone an adulterer and since is only God that is sinless all Judgment of stoning is deferred and only God can judged moral sins of men and not man. He also said give unto Caesar that which is for Caesars and God’s what is Gods’ thereby separating the state from the Church. This is not abrogation of God’s word because the word of God shall stand forever and no ditto of God law can fail.
3.During the formative stage of the state of Israel they were commanded to kill everyone in the land they were to possessed without any exception whether a woman or a child. This war was not for booty or and adventurist to acquire more empire like in the case of Islam but to take possession of the land so described with boundary, anything outside the boundary is not affected by this command. Even today Israel is fighting for land to put their head and call their home land only.
Do you think you understand? If you have some further objection, feel free to ask".
written by Muslim & Proud , February 28, 2012
How compassionate and merciful are fundamentalist christians towards homosexuals?
Please enlighten us.
Please enlighten us.
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , February 28, 2012
"How compassionate and merciful are fundamentalist christians towards homosexuals? Please enlighten us. "
I will also ask you please give me one scriptures either from the Old Testament or New Testament that support Homosexuality. You know we the fundamentalist are only moved to do something by what our scriptures say. So just give me one and I will enlighten you.
Cheers
I will also ask you please give me one scriptures either from the Old Testament or New Testament that support Homosexuality. You know we the fundamentalist are only moved to do something by what our scriptures say. So just give me one and I will enlighten you.
Cheers
written by duh_swami , February 28, 2012
How compassionate and merciful are fundamentalist christians towards homosexuals?
Well, they don't hang them or throw them off tall buildings...The general rule is hate the sin, but love the sinner...That's quite a bit of compassion...Where are you hiding yours?
Well, they don't hang them or throw them off tall buildings...The general rule is hate the sin, but love the sinner...That's quite a bit of compassion...Where are you hiding yours?
written by Muslim and proud , February 28, 2012
It was a very simple question. I am not here to give you a lesson on your scriptures. It is your job to quote your scriptures in support of your answer.
Please answer, here is the question again:
How compassionate and merciful are fundamentalist christians towards homosexuals?
Cheers
Please answer, here is the question again:
How compassionate and merciful are fundamentalist christians towards homosexuals?
Cheers
written by duh_swami , February 28, 2012
Why do you run and hide mangy cur coward? Are you afraid, ashamed? Won't Allah protect you?
written by rzq , February 28, 2012
Old testament written by YHWH? Yes?
New testament written by YHWH? Yes?
Is YHWH schizophrenic????
Fire and brimstone old testament!
Love thy neighbour in new testament!
If ever you needed evidence to see that the bible had multiple authors!
What's YHWH say about Jesus in the future?
Peaceful???
New testament written by YHWH? Yes?
Is YHWH schizophrenic????
Fire and brimstone old testament!
Love thy neighbour in new testament!
If ever you needed evidence to see that the bible had multiple authors!
What's YHWH say about Jesus in the future?
Peaceful???
written by Muslim and proud , February 28, 2012
Salaam Bro
I think the pastor is quite nicely digging himself into a hole.
He seems to want to disassociate from the OT.
I think the pastor is quite nicely digging himself into a hole.
He seems to want to disassociate from the OT.
written by spawn , February 28, 2012
ask ahmdias in phlipines, pakistan..
ask hindus & sikhs in pakistan...
go to burhanpur india...the relic os muslim fort staicase lines by old shattered idols of hindu gods...
Bamyan buddha in afganistan...
finally is there any record of any kind of culture / faith of people of arabia who live before mohhammad....
REST MY CASE...
ask hindus & sikhs in pakistan...
go to burhanpur india...the relic os muslim fort staicase lines by old shattered idols of hindu gods...
Bamyan buddha in afganistan...
finally is there any record of any kind of culture / faith of people of arabia who live before mohhammad....
REST MY CASE...
written by spawn , February 28, 2012
long discussion going around me right now with 6:2 muslim Vs nonbeliever coworkers...
written by spawn , February 28, 2012
Muslim vandalizing and destruction of 300 churches in Cyprus
written by spawn , February 28, 2012
destruction of 400 temples in Agra (place where Taj Mahal was built) by shah jahan & aurangzeb the moslem rulers...
written by spawn , February 28, 2012
total destruction of 120 hindu temples in Kashmir valley by moslems...
written by spawn , February 28, 2012
if only we could devote time to more fruitful pursuits than to discuss religion...
but islam will impose its will...
therefore I support christians, jews hindus sikhs buddhists and other humane religions who will live & let others live...even if don't subscribe to their views...
we can have a theological discussion in God Vs No god only when we have defeated islamic cult...
but islam will impose its will...
therefore I support christians, jews hindus sikhs buddhists and other humane religions who will live & let others live...even if don't subscribe to their views...
we can have a theological discussion in God Vs No god only when we have defeated islamic cult...
written by spawn , February 28, 2012
Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society- aristotle
lets be tolerant... apathy has no role...
lets not sit on the side lines as islam imposes itself in belgium... UK... scandinavia... US
to protect our cherished way of life...
lets be tolerant... apathy has no role...
lets not sit on the side lines as islam imposes itself in belgium... UK... scandinavia... US
to protect our cherished way of life...
written by Muslim and proud , February 28, 2012
if only we could devote time to more fruitful pursuits than to discuss religion...
Aahhhhhhh - bless. I almost feel sorry for you. Is it really that difficult to have a life.....
written by Muslim and proud , February 28, 2012
lets not sit on the side lines as islam imposes itself in belgium... UK... scandinavia... US
Have you been in hibernation for the past 20 years?
I think you'll find you've missed the boat.
written by rzq , February 28, 2012
Pastor/clement
written by rzq , February 28, 2012
Old testament written by YHWH? Yes?
New testament written by YHWH? Yes?
Is YHWH schizophrenic????
Fire and brimstone old testament!
Love thy neighbour in new testament!
If ever you needed evidence to see that the bible had multiple authors!
What's YHWH say about Jesus in the future?
Peaceful???
written by rzq , February 28, 2012
Old testament written by YHWH? Yes?
New testament written by YHWH? Yes?
Is YHWH schizophrenic????
Fire and brimstone old testament!
Love thy neighbour in new testament!
If ever you needed evidence to see that the bible had multiple authors!
What's YHWH say about Jesus in the future?
Peaceful???
written by duh_swami , February 28, 2012
Idiot, you have zero concept of YHVH...When and where did you study the subject fool? 'Is YHVH schizophrenic' gives away your abject stupidity...
You are who Jesus was referring to when he said not to throw pearls before swine...
You are who Jesus was referring to when he said not to throw pearls before swine...
written by Muslim and proud , February 28, 2012
Salaam Bro
I wonder what happened to the pastor?
I hope he's ok
I wonder what happened to the pastor?
I hope he's ok
written by rzq , February 28, 2012
1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6
2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48
3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
5. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28
6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
things
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
Ex 33:1,3,17,14
10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6
2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48
3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
5. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28
6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
things
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
Ex 33:1,3,17,14
10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , February 29, 2012
"If ever you needed evidence to see that the bible had multiple authors! "
Let me take the multiple authors first. The Bible never denied that it has multiple authors in fact the 66 books encyclopedia called the Bible was penned down within a period of not less than 2000 years by more than 4o authors living in difference generation and environment yet the books are in harmony from genesis to the book Revelation. This is one reason why we know what the books have a single source of inspiration and that is God. That is why the books were bound into one book now called the Bible. It is not a one author book like the Quran. The Quran would have been included as the 67th Book of the Bible if it was in harmony with the rest of the books, but because it was inspired by a different spirit with the characteristic of the Devil it could not be fit to be included as God inspired scriptures.
You asked "What's YHWH say about Jesus in the future? Peaceful???"
Yes Jesus is coming back again but not as the Lamb of God to be slaughtered for men again but as An Army General to conquer the world. Is not coming to be born in a manger, but will descend from heaven with thousands of his saint to take vengeance on all those who reject his offer of salvation and lived contrary to God word. He is coming back as Lord of Lords, and King of Kings and the Judge of all creation.
Now is your time to receive as your Lord and savior and be saved from his wrath to come.
For your other quotation I will take time to look at them because I don't know what you really want to achieve by reeling out verses that they are contradictory? Or what? If you accept that Yahweh is omnipresent, omnipresence, and omnipotent you will not say those scriptures are contradictory of what God said.
But I will take a look at them.
Let me take the multiple authors first. The Bible never denied that it has multiple authors in fact the 66 books encyclopedia called the Bible was penned down within a period of not less than 2000 years by more than 4o authors living in difference generation and environment yet the books are in harmony from genesis to the book Revelation. This is one reason why we know what the books have a single source of inspiration and that is God. That is why the books were bound into one book now called the Bible. It is not a one author book like the Quran. The Quran would have been included as the 67th Book of the Bible if it was in harmony with the rest of the books, but because it was inspired by a different spirit with the characteristic of the Devil it could not be fit to be included as God inspired scriptures.
You asked "What's YHWH say about Jesus in the future? Peaceful???"
Yes Jesus is coming back again but not as the Lamb of God to be slaughtered for men again but as An Army General to conquer the world. Is not coming to be born in a manger, but will descend from heaven with thousands of his saint to take vengeance on all those who reject his offer of salvation and lived contrary to God word. He is coming back as Lord of Lords, and King of Kings and the Judge of all creation.
Now is your time to receive as your Lord and savior and be saved from his wrath to come.
For your other quotation I will take time to look at them because I don't know what you really want to achieve by reeling out verses that they are contradictory? Or what? If you accept that Yahweh is omnipresent, omnipresence, and omnipotent you will not say those scriptures are contradictory of what God said.
But I will take a look at them.
written by Yibel , February 29, 2012
Mo's 99 Allahs:
Al-'Aleem The All Knowing, The Omniscient 2:158, 3:92, 4:35, 24:41, 33:40
Al-Qabid The Restrainer, The Straightener 2:245
Al-Basit The Extender / Expander 2:245
Al-Khafi The Abaser 95:5
Ar-Rafi' The Exalter 58:11, 6:83
Al-Mu'izz The Giver of Honour 3:26
Al-Mudhill The Giver of Dishonour 3:26
As-Sami' The All Hearing 2:127, 2:256, 8:17, 49:1
Al-Basir The All Seeing 4:58, 17:1, 42:11, 42:27
Al-Hakam The Judge, The Arbitrator 22:69
Al-'Adl The Utterly Just 6:115
Al-Latif The Gentle, The Subtly Kind 6:103, 22:63, 31:16, 33:34
Al-Khabeer The All Aware Surah 6:18, 17:30, 49:13, 59:18
Al Haleem The Forbearing, The Indulgent 2:235, 17:44, 22:59, 35:41
Al-'Azeem The Magnificent 2:255, 42:4, 56:96
Al Ghafur The Much-Forgiving 2:173, 8:69, 16:110, 41:32
Ash-Shakur The Grateful 35:30, 35:34, 42:23, 64:17
Al-'Aliy The Sublime 4:34, 31:30, 42:4, 42:51
Al-Kabir The Great 13:9, 22:62, 31:30
Al-Hafeez The Preserver 11:57, 34:21, 42:6
Al-Muqeet The Nourisher 4:85
Al-Haseeb The Bringer of Judgment 4:6, 4:86, 33:39
Al-Jalil The Majestic 55:27, 39:14, 7:143
Al-Karim The Bountiful, The Generous 27:40, 82:6
Ar-Raqib The Watchful 4:1, 5:117
Al-Mujib The Responsive, The Answer 11:61
Al-Wasi' The Vast, The All-Embracing, The Omnipresent, The Boundless 2:268, 3:73, 5:54
Al-Hakim The Wise 31:27, 46:2, 57:1, 66:2
Al-Majid All-Glorious, The Majestic 11:73
Al-Ba'ith The Resurrecter 22:7
Al-Wadud The Loving 11:90, 85:14
Al-Haqq The Truth, The Reality 6:62, 22:6, 23:116, 24:25
Al-Wakil The Trustee, The Dependable, The Advocate 3:173, 4:171, 28:28, 73:9
Al-Qawwiy The Strong 22:40, 22:74, 42:19, 57:25
Al-Matin The Firm, The Steadfast 51:58
Al-Waliy The Friend, Patron and Helper 4:45, 7:196, 42:28, 45:19
Al-Hamid The All Praiseworthy 14:8, 31:12, 31:26, 41:42
Al-Muhsiy The Accounter, The Numberer of All 72:28, 78:29, 82:10-12
Al-Mubdi' The Originator, The Producer, The Initiator 10:34, 27:64, 29:19, 85:13
Al-Mu'id The Restorer, The Reinstater Who Brings Back All 10:34, 27:64, 29:19, 85:13
Al-Muhyiy The Giver of Life 7:158, 15:23, 30:50, 57:2
Al-Mumit The Destroyer, The Bringer of Death 3:156, 7:158, 15:23, 57:2
Al-Hayy The Living 2:255, 3:2, 25:58, 40:65
Al-Qayyum The Subsisting, The Guardian 2:255, 3:2, 20:111
Al-Wajid The Perceiver, The Finder, The Unfailing 38:44
Al-Majid The Illustrious, The Magnificent 85:15, 11:73,
Al-Wahid The One, The Unique 2:163, 5:73, 9:31, 18:110
Al-'Ahad The Unity, The Indivisible 112:1
As-Samad The Eternal, The Absolute, The Self-Sufficient 112:2
Al-Qadir The Omnipotent, The All Able 6:65, 36:81, 46:33, 75:40
Al-Muqtadir The Determiner, The Dominant 18:45, 54:42, 54:55
Al-'Aleem The All Knowing, The Omniscient 2:158, 3:92, 4:35, 24:41, 33:40
Al-Qabid The Restrainer, The Straightener 2:245
Al-Basit The Extender / Expander 2:245
Al-Khafi The Abaser 95:5
Ar-Rafi' The Exalter 58:11, 6:83
Al-Mu'izz The Giver of Honour 3:26
Al-Mudhill The Giver of Dishonour 3:26
As-Sami' The All Hearing 2:127, 2:256, 8:17, 49:1
Al-Basir The All Seeing 4:58, 17:1, 42:11, 42:27
Al-Hakam The Judge, The Arbitrator 22:69
Al-'Adl The Utterly Just 6:115
Al-Latif The Gentle, The Subtly Kind 6:103, 22:63, 31:16, 33:34
Al-Khabeer The All Aware Surah 6:18, 17:30, 49:13, 59:18
Al Haleem The Forbearing, The Indulgent 2:235, 17:44, 22:59, 35:41
Al-'Azeem The Magnificent 2:255, 42:4, 56:96
Al Ghafur The Much-Forgiving 2:173, 8:69, 16:110, 41:32
Ash-Shakur The Grateful 35:30, 35:34, 42:23, 64:17
Al-'Aliy The Sublime 4:34, 31:30, 42:4, 42:51
Al-Kabir The Great 13:9, 22:62, 31:30
Al-Hafeez The Preserver 11:57, 34:21, 42:6
Al-Muqeet The Nourisher 4:85
Al-Haseeb The Bringer of Judgment 4:6, 4:86, 33:39
Al-Jalil The Majestic 55:27, 39:14, 7:143
Al-Karim The Bountiful, The Generous 27:40, 82:6
Ar-Raqib The Watchful 4:1, 5:117
Al-Mujib The Responsive, The Answer 11:61
Al-Wasi' The Vast, The All-Embracing, The Omnipresent, The Boundless 2:268, 3:73, 5:54
Al-Hakim The Wise 31:27, 46:2, 57:1, 66:2
Al-Majid All-Glorious, The Majestic 11:73
Al-Ba'ith The Resurrecter 22:7
Al-Wadud The Loving 11:90, 85:14
Al-Haqq The Truth, The Reality 6:62, 22:6, 23:116, 24:25
Al-Wakil The Trustee, The Dependable, The Advocate 3:173, 4:171, 28:28, 73:9
Al-Qawwiy The Strong 22:40, 22:74, 42:19, 57:25
Al-Matin The Firm, The Steadfast 51:58
Al-Waliy The Friend, Patron and Helper 4:45, 7:196, 42:28, 45:19
Al-Hamid The All Praiseworthy 14:8, 31:12, 31:26, 41:42
Al-Muhsiy The Accounter, The Numberer of All 72:28, 78:29, 82:10-12
Al-Mubdi' The Originator, The Producer, The Initiator 10:34, 27:64, 29:19, 85:13
Al-Mu'id The Restorer, The Reinstater Who Brings Back All 10:34, 27:64, 29:19, 85:13
Al-Muhyiy The Giver of Life 7:158, 15:23, 30:50, 57:2
Al-Mumit The Destroyer, The Bringer of Death 3:156, 7:158, 15:23, 57:2
Al-Hayy The Living 2:255, 3:2, 25:58, 40:65
Al-Qayyum The Subsisting, The Guardian 2:255, 3:2, 20:111
Al-Wajid The Perceiver, The Finder, The Unfailing 38:44
Al-Majid The Illustrious, The Magnificent 85:15, 11:73,
Al-Wahid The One, The Unique 2:163, 5:73, 9:31, 18:110
Al-'Ahad The Unity, The Indivisible 112:1
As-Samad The Eternal, The Absolute, The Self-Sufficient 112:2
Al-Qadir The Omnipotent, The All Able 6:65, 36:81, 46:33, 75:40
Al-Muqtadir The Determiner, The Dominant 18:45, 54:42, 54:55
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , February 29, 2012
1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works. – because of the sins of men not with his original work
Gen 6:6
2. God dwells in chosen temples – only for his name to be there not his person
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48
3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness – the thick cloud covered him but only his voice was heard
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
4. God is seen and heard- seen only when he revealed himself either as Angel or some other ways
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
5. God is tired and rests – Not in human sense but set time of rest whether tired or not which is mainly good for human
Ex 31:17
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28
6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
things – God wants men to take responsibility of their action not that he is ignorant of action.
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart – Yes so that they can take responsibility of their action.
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful – Not true read Joshua 17:18 Judah was afraid but trusting God’s promise to take the land. It was not God failure but that of Judah.
Judg 1:19
9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable – only if you meet his condition or fail to meet his condition
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
Ex 33:1,3,17,14
10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial – No sir, Noah curse his son not God, God punish the child that comit the sin of his father only and God make choice or decide to elect anyone he chose to. You cannot question why he chose Isaac instead of Ishmael , or Jacob instead of Essau or Joseph instead of Ruben or David instead of the Eldest Son of Jessey.
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works. – because of the sins of men not with his original work
Gen 6:6
2. God dwells in chosen temples – only for his name to be there not his person
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48
3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness – the thick cloud covered him but only his voice was heard
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
4. God is seen and heard- seen only when he revealed himself either as Angel or some other ways
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
5. God is tired and rests – Not in human sense but set time of rest whether tired or not which is mainly good for human
Ex 31:17
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28
6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
things – God wants men to take responsibility of their action not that he is ignorant of action.
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart – Yes so that they can take responsibility of their action.
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful – Not true read Joshua 17:18 Judah was afraid but trusting God’s promise to take the land. It was not God failure but that of Judah.
Judg 1:19
9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable – only if you meet his condition or fail to meet his condition
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
Ex 33:1,3,17,14
10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial – No sir, Noah curse his son not God, God punish the child that comit the sin of his father only and God make choice or decide to elect anyone he chose to. You cannot question why he chose Isaac instead of Ishmael , or Jacob instead of Essau or Joseph instead of Ruben or David instead of the Eldest Son of Jessey.
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
written by Yibel , February 29, 2012
Al-Muqaddim The Expediter, He Who Brings Forward 16:61, 17:34,
Al-Mu'akhkhir The Delayer, He Who Puts Far Away 71:4
Al-'Awwal The First, The Beginning-less 57:3
Al-'Akhir The Last, The Endless 57:3
Az-Zahir The Manifest, The Evident, The Outer 57:3
Al-Batin The Hidden, The Unmanifest, The Inner 57:3
Al-Waliy The Patron, The Protecting Friend, The Friendly Lord 13:11, 22:7
Al-Muta'aliy The Supremely Exalted, The Most High 13:9
Al-Barr The Good 52:28
At-Tawwab The Ever Returning, Ever Relenting 2:128, 4:64, 49:12, 110:3
Al-Muntaqim The Avenger 32:22, 43:41, 44:16
Al-'Afuw The Pardoner, The Effacer, The Forgiver 4:99, 4:149, 22:60
Ar-Ra'uf The Kind, The Pitying 3:30, 9:117, 57:9, 59:10
Malik-ul-Mulk The Owner of all Sovereignty 3:26
Dhu-l-Jalali wa-l-'ikram The Lord of Majesty and Generosity 55:27, 55:78
Al-Muqsit The Equitable, The Requiter 7:29, 3:18
Al-Jami' The Gatherer, The Unifier 3:9
Al-Ghaniy The Rich, The Independent 3:97, 39:7, 47:38, 57:24
Al-Mughniy The Enricher, The Emancipator 9:28
Al-Mani' The Withholder, The Shielder, The Defender 67:21
Al-Harr The Distressor, The Harmer, The Afflictor 6:17
An-Nafi' The Propitious, The Benefactor, The Source of Good 30:37
An-Nur The Light 24:35
Al-Hadiy The Guide, The Way 22:54
Al-Badi' The Incomparable, The Unattainable 2:117, 6:101
Al-Baqiy The Immutable, The Infinite, The Everlasting 55:27
Al-Warith The Heir, The Inheritor of All 15:23
Ar-Rashid The Guide to the Right Path 2:256
As-Sabur The Timeless, The Patient 2:153, 3:200, 103:3
Ar-Rahman The Exceedingly Compassionate, The Exceedingly Beneficient, The Exceedingly Gracious, the Merciful (47 times and at the beginning of all verses except 9)
Ar-Rahim/Al-Raheem The Exceedingly Merciful (114 times): 41:1
Al-Malik The King of Kings, The Keeper of Hell 59:23, 20:114, 23:116, 43:76
Al-Quddus The Holy, The Pure, The Perfect 59:23, 62:1
As-Salam The Peace, The Source of Peace and Safety, The Savior 59:23
Al-Mu'akhkhir The Delayer, He Who Puts Far Away 71:4
Al-'Awwal The First, The Beginning-less 57:3
Al-'Akhir The Last, The Endless 57:3
Az-Zahir The Manifest, The Evident, The Outer 57:3
Al-Batin The Hidden, The Unmanifest, The Inner 57:3
Al-Waliy The Patron, The Protecting Friend, The Friendly Lord 13:11, 22:7
Al-Muta'aliy The Supremely Exalted, The Most High 13:9
Al-Barr The Good 52:28
At-Tawwab The Ever Returning, Ever Relenting 2:128, 4:64, 49:12, 110:3
Al-Muntaqim The Avenger 32:22, 43:41, 44:16
Al-'Afuw The Pardoner, The Effacer, The Forgiver 4:99, 4:149, 22:60
Ar-Ra'uf The Kind, The Pitying 3:30, 9:117, 57:9, 59:10
Malik-ul-Mulk The Owner of all Sovereignty 3:26
Dhu-l-Jalali wa-l-'ikram The Lord of Majesty and Generosity 55:27, 55:78
Al-Muqsit The Equitable, The Requiter 7:29, 3:18
Al-Jami' The Gatherer, The Unifier 3:9
Al-Ghaniy The Rich, The Independent 3:97, 39:7, 47:38, 57:24
Al-Mughniy The Enricher, The Emancipator 9:28
Al-Mani' The Withholder, The Shielder, The Defender 67:21
Al-Harr The Distressor, The Harmer, The Afflictor 6:17
An-Nafi' The Propitious, The Benefactor, The Source of Good 30:37
An-Nur The Light 24:35
Al-Hadiy The Guide, The Way 22:54
Al-Badi' The Incomparable, The Unattainable 2:117, 6:101
Al-Baqiy The Immutable, The Infinite, The Everlasting 55:27
Al-Warith The Heir, The Inheritor of All 15:23
Ar-Rashid The Guide to the Right Path 2:256
As-Sabur The Timeless, The Patient 2:153, 3:200, 103:3
Ar-Rahman The Exceedingly Compassionate, The Exceedingly Beneficient, The Exceedingly Gracious, the Merciful (47 times and at the beginning of all verses except 9)
Ar-Rahim/Al-Raheem The Exceedingly Merciful (114 times): 41:1
Al-Malik The King of Kings, The Keeper of Hell 59:23, 20:114, 23:116, 43:76
Al-Quddus The Holy, The Pure, The Perfect 59:23, 62:1
As-Salam The Peace, The Source of Peace and Safety, The Savior 59:23
written by Yibel , February 29, 2012
To believe that the Qur'an has no errors you have to completely shut your mind off. The Qur'an is full of errors, all glaringly obvious for anyone to see. Anyone who can accept the Qur'an's babble as from a god is not someone who can make rational judgements about morality. They've accepted the Qur'an stories of Mo's cruelty, genocide, savagery, thievery, skullduggery, infanticide, raping, pillaging, plundering, and petulant pedantry as the ideal behavior to emulate, and do so religiously!
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , February 29, 2012
Plsease can you comment on this two names of Allah becaue they resemble the names of Satan
1.Al-Khafi The Abaser 95:5
2.Al-Mumit The Destroyer, The Bringer of Death 3:156, 7:158, 15:23, 57:2
1.Al-Khafi The Abaser 95:5
2.Al-Mumit The Destroyer, The Bringer of Death 3:156, 7:158, 15:23, 57:2
written by Muslim and proud , February 29, 2012
They've accepted the Qur'an stories of Mo's cruelty, genocide, savagery, thievery, skullduggery, infanticide, raping, pillaging, plundering, and petulant pedantry
It is you and all other Islaphobes that have accepted these - this is the key differentiator between you and rational people.
The is the fact of the matter my friend a fact that will never register with you people.
Everything you have listed is HARAAM for Muslims.
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Bigots use that one all the time! As a coloured man in Europe, If I got a penny every time some bigot said " I ain't got a problem with darkies but......" then they justify it by saying " alot of my friends are so and so. Typical behaviour.
I'm glad you viscerally hate the prophet because as an enemy of Islam you should.
It proves to me as a Muslim he did his job right. 14 centuries on he is still able to get that reaction from the enemies of Islam.
To me that's a beautiful thing.
To the Muslims he will always be a source of comfort.
Get your head around that If you can!!!!