When Islamist suicide bombers blow themselves up in crowds of people, or when Islamist jihadists die fighting infidels, they believe that Allah will be pleased that they were involved in killing unbelievers, and will reward them with access to Islamic Paradise for the rest of eternity.
This is a theologically identical idea to the Aztec concept that when their priests sacrificed as many as people as they could to one of their deities, that deity would be pleased by those human sacrifices.
The idea that Allah is a deity, who will be pleased by terrorists and jihadists killing unbelievers, explains why many Arabs pray every week in mosques for the destruction of all of the world's 5.5 billion non-Muslims, as this BBC News story reveals.
“The Religion of Peace” website, which attempts to document all Islamic terrorist attacks report in the media, has catalogued more than 18,000 of such attacks since 9/11. So, Islam involves far more human sacrifices than even the notorious Aztecs’.
Other more civilised religions like Buddhism, Jainism, and Christianity etc. do not back the idea that human sacrifices are pleasing to God.
Their deities are not to be pleased by animal sacrifices as in Islam. For example, Muslims engage large-scale animal sacrifices to please Allah on the occasion of Eid al-Adha, festival of animal sacrifice (Korban), one of the two major annual Islamic festivities. This BBC News article, "Turkish media horrified at Eid slaughter", discusses about Turks sacrificing hundreds of thousands of animals in the streets.
Apart from human sacrifices, Aztecs also used to sacrifice animals to please their deities, like those Islamic animal sacrifices to please Allah in Islam.
Muhammad gang of Muslims in Arabia, like today’s Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood, were fascists – who had a similar ideology of modern-age Hitler, Mussolini, and Franco. And Islam also appears to have commonness with a small modern religion, called Satanism, which does involve human sacrifice (the Alsatian dog sacrificing American Satanist cult) and its followers often holds fascist ideology. Major news-media have reported conviction of Satanists for murdering humans as a sacrifice (for more about Satanism, read American journalist Maury Terry’s book, "The Ultimate Evil: An Investigation into a Dangerous Satanic Cult", Collins, London, 1989).
Satanists killed man 'on Devil's orders'
Satanic cult teens 'sacrificed' victims then ate them
Satanists' Trail: Dead Pets to a Human Sacrifice
American Satanist serial killer and cult leader Charles Manson's praising of Hitler shows close links between Satanism and fascism. One of the American Satanist cults, allegedly linked to Manson, and some of his cult members, was called the Kirke Order of Dog Blood for sacrificing dogs as ritual sacrifice.
Satanism is a small religion, but Islam is huge with the 1.5 billion of the world population, and the majority of them appreciate the ideology of fascists like Bin Laden and of the Muslim brotherhood Islamists. It is fascistic Islamists, who have swept free election from Palestine and Saudi Arabia to Egypt and Tunisia.
So, it is hypocritical of Muslims, who go on pilgrimages to Mecca to engage in the "stoning the Devil" ritual, when Islamic terrorists and jihadists themselves carry out numerous acts of Satanist-type human sacrifice every week, as well as huge animal sacrifices every year to celebrate Eid.
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written by unknown , February 10, 2012
In ancient occultism human and animal sacrifice offering blood is a way of worshipping the evil.
written by vbv , February 10, 2012
The author is obviously a christian fanatic. His views are extremely biased. He talks ,as though christians did not commit any barbarities. For centuries christians commited genocides, forcibly enslaved the people they conquered, engaged in slavery, commited mass murders , burned and tortured 'heretics on stakes,etc. This is not "love thy neighbour as thyself" or show the other cheek when someone slaps you. If , anything, christians for the most part slapped and trampled others with impunity. It does not behove well to tralk ill of incas whose extinction was caused by the same whiteman who conquered their land and on which he is now lording over. Today there are no incas to defend their culture against such vilification. Abrahamic cults were the ones that manufactured the idea of 'blasphemy' and have used it effectively to murder their opponents. Abraham himself was supposed to have his son Isaac/Ismael 'sacrificed'. there are innumerable instances of Bible and its "god" Yahweh massacring other people, stoning to death, summarily murdering 'transgressors' ,etc. Abrahamic faiths are covered with blood over centuries of its existence. And islam is an offshoot of this abrahamic cult. They do not preach non-violence, tolerance and free discourse like Budhism or Jainism. So it is better they look inwards before they condemn and castigate other cultures.
written by vbv , February 10, 2012
I have said incas in my above posting while the author has used aztecs. It does not matter anyway ,whether it is incas,aztecs,or the mayans , they all came to a poor and sticky end because of the european conquest .
written by vbv , February 10, 2012
What about Caine who murdered his brother Abel ,why the "god" looked the other way ,because Caine gave animals/humans by way of sacrifice ,while Abel could give only crops as offerings??? Yahweh was the real barbaric deity who murdered people because they did not submit to him in abjectly degrading surrender (from which islam derives the idea of abject and slavish surrender ). This monotheistic deity was an immenslely super-egoist, narcissistic and supermaniacal monster who seemingly looks like the angry ,intolerant glare of a mullah or Ayatollah Khomeini. Look at the conditions in muslim countries which are strictly adhering to this monotheistic code: endless turmoil, no liberty or free speech, no humanrights or women's rights or even child rights. All these are ignored as abrahimic cults trample all these rights and freedom to subserve the privileged class of rulers and clergy. This is an undeniable fact that we are witnessing even in the case of "liberated" Iraq, Afghanistan,Egypt or Tunisia where the clergy-backed ruling dispensations are calling the shots. The real poison is montheism ,which is extremely intolerant ,extremely insular and extremely violent with total disregard for humanrights.
written by duh_swami , February 10, 2012
Your history of Church abuses is right, but there needs to be a distinction between 'Christians' and 'Clergy'...It is not Christianity itself that causes these abuses, it's Clergy with power and money issues...Most of the abuses were conducted by the Catholic Church that ran rampant over everyone for 500 years, and what is the Catholic Church but its clergy...There is nothing 'Christian' about torture chambers, dungeons, or burning people at the stake...But the clergy were not practicing Christianity, they were practicing applied despotism for profit...The most famous of these despots was Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander the 6th...He and his lovely sister Lucretia, were absolutely, positively spiritually bankrupt...And Rodrigo was not the only crooked and depraved Pope, there were others...
These depots and depraved people in power, did not act like that because of Christianity but in spite of it...The Church had absolute power for 500 years and it corrupted them absolutely...The Church is not free from corruption yet and may never be...Because of what? Clergy...
These depots and depraved people in power, did not act like that because of Christianity but in spite of it...The Church had absolute power for 500 years and it corrupted them absolutely...The Church is not free from corruption yet and may never be...Because of what? Clergy...
written by El Padrino , February 10, 2012
You have to forgive vbv,he's a typical example of a hindu fundamentalist.They're not as tolerant as they often claim.
Their scriptures abound with passages of ritual slaughter,burning women,punishments for blasphemy & adultery,human sacrifices,death to those that reject the vedas,etc.
Let me give you a sample from their scriptures condoning the burning of live women,better known as Sati.
Rg Veda 10:18:7 Let these unwidowed dames with noble husbands adorn themselves with fragrant balm and unguent.Decked with fair jewels, tearless, free from sorrow,first let the dames go up to where he lieth.
8 .Rise, come unto the world of life, O woman: come, he is lifeless by whose side thou liest…”
Atharva Veda 18:3:1 Choosing her husband's world, O man, this woman lays herself down beside thy lifeless body
We find burning of live women also practiced in the…
Mahabharata 16:Mausala Parva:Section 7 The son of Pandu burnt the body of his uncle together with those four wives of his, using diverse kinds of scents and perfumed wood. As the *funeral pyre blazed up, a loud sound was heard of the burning wood and other combustible materials, along with the clear chant of Samans and the wailing of the citizens and others who witnessed the rite.
The same practice of burning women are also found in…
Vishnu Purana 5:XXXVIII
ARJUNA having found the bodies of Krishńa and of Ráma, performed for them, and the rest of the slain, the obsequial rites. The eight queens of Krishńa, who have been named, with Rukminí at their head, embraced the body of Hari, and entered the funeral fire ..
Their scriptures abound with passages of ritual slaughter,burning women,punishments for blasphemy & adultery,human sacrifices,death to those that reject the vedas,etc.
Let me give you a sample from their scriptures condoning the burning of live women,better known as Sati.
Rg Veda 10:18:7 Let these unwidowed dames with noble husbands adorn themselves with fragrant balm and unguent.Decked with fair jewels, tearless, free from sorrow,first let the dames go up to where he lieth.
8 .Rise, come unto the world of life, O woman: come, he is lifeless by whose side thou liest…”
Atharva Veda 18:3:1 Choosing her husband's world, O man, this woman lays herself down beside thy lifeless body
We find burning of live women also practiced in the…
Mahabharata 16:Mausala Parva:Section 7 The son of Pandu burnt the body of his uncle together with those four wives of his, using diverse kinds of scents and perfumed wood. As the *funeral pyre blazed up, a loud sound was heard of the burning wood and other combustible materials, along with the clear chant of Samans and the wailing of the citizens and others who witnessed the rite.
The same practice of burning women are also found in…
Vishnu Purana 5:XXXVIII
ARJUNA having found the bodies of Krishńa and of Ráma, performed for them, and the rest of the slain, the obsequial rites. The eight queens of Krishńa, who have been named, with Rukminí at their head, embraced the body of Hari, and entered the funeral fire ..
written by El Padrino , February 10, 2012
Sacrificing children to please the gods or to make deals with them is an ancient hindu practise that still continues to this day in India.
http://www.saibaba-x.org.uk/24/W/childsacrifice.html
http://www.mikeldunham.blogs.com/mikeldunham/2010/02/child-sacrifice-in-nepal-four-men-arrested.html
Ganga is a well known figure in hinduism who drowned her children to appease the gods.She set the precedent for all hindu parents to this day.
Mahabharata 1:XCVIII (p.210) And the king, while thus enjoying himself with his wife, had eight children ...But, O Bharata, those children, one after another, as soon as they were born, were thrown into the river by Ganga who said, 'This is for thy good.' And the children sank to rise no more.
http://www.saibaba-x.org.uk/24/W/childsacrifice.html
http://www.mikeldunham.blogs.com/mikeldunham/2010/02/child-sacrifice-in-nepal-four-men-arrested.html
Ganga is a well known figure in hinduism who drowned her children to appease the gods.She set the precedent for all hindu parents to this day.
Mahabharata 1:XCVIII (p.210) And the king, while thus enjoying himself with his wife, had eight children ...But, O Bharata, those children, one after another, as soon as they were born, were thrown into the river by Ganga who said, 'This is for thy good.' And the children sank to rise no more.
written by El Padrino , February 10, 2012
They do not preach non-violence, tolerance and free discourse like Budhism or Jainism. So it is better they look inwards before they condemn and castigate other cultures"
Don't confuse buddhism & jainism with hinduism,they're polar opposites.
Unlike the former religions,hinduism does sanction killing of animals & mass murder & plunder to advance the vedic religion
{devi chand translation}
Yajur Veda 17:38 O friendly countrymen, encourage the commander of the army, and begin the battle with him, who with his physical, mental and military strength, cleaves the enemies' families, usurps their land, is armed with weapons, slay's the foes, subdues the enemy in the battle, and conquers him.
Yaj Veda17:39 May the commander of the army, who, with surpassing vigour pierces in the battles the families of the enemies, is pitiless, wild with anger, unconquerable by foes, conqueror of the enemy's forces, unequalled in fight, and victor, protect our armies,
Yaj Veda 29:39 With military weapons let us win the Earth, with them the battle, with cannon let us win the ease-loving army of our foes. War-like weapons destroy the ambitions of the foeman. Armed with the bow may we subdue all regions.
Yaj Veda 6:1 O king, just as the wise and aged persons, in this world, created by the Effulgent God, accept thee, with the force and strength of vital breaths, and attraction and retention of breath, the source of strength ; so do I.Just as I cut the throats of the sinners, so shouldst thou[/]. Oking, thou hast the power of imparting virtue and removing vice,remove from us our despisers and foes.Just as I sanctify thee, the exponent of justice, for the display of knowledge, thee, the embodiment of truth, for spiritual advancement } thee, the administrator, for rule over the Earth ; so should these justice- loving people do.
Here's another verse that glorifies genocide
Atharva Veda 10:1:17 As wind the trees, so smite and overthrow them:leave not cow,horse,or man of them surviving Return,O Krityā,unto those who made thee.Wake them from sleep to find that they are childless.
*These extremely violent verses are only the tip of the iceberg
Don't confuse buddhism & jainism with hinduism,they're polar opposites.
Unlike the former religions,hinduism does sanction killing of animals & mass murder & plunder to advance the vedic religion
{devi chand translation}
Yajur Veda 17:38 O friendly countrymen, encourage the commander of the army, and begin the battle with him, who with his physical, mental and military strength, cleaves the enemies' families, usurps their land, is armed with weapons, slay's the foes, subdues the enemy in the battle, and conquers him.
Yaj Veda17:39 May the commander of the army, who, with surpassing vigour pierces in the battles the families of the enemies, is pitiless, wild with anger, unconquerable by foes, conqueror of the enemy's forces, unequalled in fight, and victor, protect our armies,
Yaj Veda 29:39 With military weapons let us win the Earth, with them the battle, with cannon let us win the ease-loving army of our foes. War-like weapons destroy the ambitions of the foeman. Armed with the bow may we subdue all regions.
Yaj Veda 6:1 O king, just as the wise and aged persons, in this world, created by the Effulgent God, accept thee, with the force and strength of vital breaths, and attraction and retention of breath, the source of strength ; so do I.Just as I cut the throats of the sinners, so shouldst thou[/]. Oking, thou hast the power of imparting virtue and removing vice,remove from us our despisers and foes.Just as I sanctify thee, the exponent of justice, for the display of knowledge, thee, the embodiment of truth, for spiritual advancement } thee, the administrator, for rule over the Earth ; so should these justice- loving people do.
Here's another verse that glorifies genocide
Atharva Veda 10:1:17 As wind the trees, so smite and overthrow them:leave not cow,horse,or man of them surviving Return,O Krityā,unto those who made thee.Wake them from sleep to find that they are childless.
*These extremely violent verses are only the tip of the iceberg
written by El Padrino , February 10, 2012
Hindus usually are shocked beyond belief when they read about islamic texts rewarding their fighters with heaven & virgins but they never mention their rewards are exactly alikeThey too get heavenly whores & instant entry into paradise when they die.
Virgins,lift up your skirts here I come!
Manu VII:89. Those kings who, seeking to slay each other in battle, fight with the utmost exertion and do not turn back, go to heaven.
Parashara Smriti 3:28“Celestial damsels seize for themselves, and take delight with the hero, whose body is wounded or cut by arrows, clubs, or maces.”
3:29“Thousands of celestial damsels, rush forward in a hurry towards a hero killed in battle, each proclaiming, 'He is my lord, he is mine'.”
3:31“If victorious, wealth is won; if death results, beautiful women fall to his share; since this corporeal frame is liable to perish in an instant's time , why should we be shy of meeting death on a field of battle?”
Virgins,lift up your skirts here I come!
Manu VII:89. Those kings who, seeking to slay each other in battle, fight with the utmost exertion and do not turn back, go to heaven.
Parashara Smriti 3:28“Celestial damsels seize for themselves, and take delight with the hero, whose body is wounded or cut by arrows, clubs, or maces.”
3:29“Thousands of celestial damsels, rush forward in a hurry towards a hero killed in battle, each proclaiming, 'He is my lord, he is mine'.”
3:31“If victorious, wealth is won; if death results, beautiful women fall to his share; since this corporeal frame is liable to perish in an instant's time , why should we be shy of meeting death on a field of battle?”
written by Dwito , February 10, 2012
Welcome in Islam-watch, Padrino. Glad to see you here. We were lost since we met in ffi a few weeks ago. The editor did not allow us to continue upon their principle. But here I hope we will be much liberated to discuss as the admn does not intervene in commenting, except a few cases. So we could share much freely.
You have intended to VBV. He is a well educated knowledgeable person. I have my trust upon him. I hope he will clear your misconception duly. Still I will try to engage, if you allow. But first let's wet for him.
G'night.
You have intended to VBV. He is a well educated knowledgeable person. I have my trust upon him. I hope he will clear your misconception duly. Still I will try to engage, if you allow. But first let's wet for him.
G'night.
written by fineliving56 , February 10, 2012
Back to the drawing board ….
All religions are as bad as each other ….yes that includes the bible … Islam wins the prize of '' the most ruthless'' … and still is…..
While the others, weeded the inhumane teachings and stopped practicing them, and whats left sounds philosophical and humanistic and had a nice ,face lift, to accommodate recent times.
All religions are man made for man greedy benefits .
The smartest people, who DO understand that, they leave all religions from sheer disgust to become NON religious … just humans who want to live in peace.
I just like to add, reading, the teachings of Hinduism still makes me feel better… thats count for something … reading Quran makes me feel horrible .
All religions are as bad as each other ….yes that includes the bible … Islam wins the prize of '' the most ruthless'' … and still is…..
While the others, weeded the inhumane teachings and stopped practicing them, and whats left sounds philosophical and humanistic and had a nice ,face lift, to accommodate recent times.
All religions are man made for man greedy benefits .
The smartest people, who DO understand that, they leave all religions from sheer disgust to become NON religious … just humans who want to live in peace.
I just like to add, reading, the teachings of Hinduism still makes me feel better… thats count for something … reading Quran makes me feel horrible .
written by Yibel , February 10, 2012
Islam is NOT an offshoot of the Abrahamic religions. You have been on this site long enough to know that Muslims worship a rock mounted on the side of a building, the Ka'aba, which is located in a small oasis town in southern Arabia. Abraham never went there, EVER. Makkah is a thousand kilometers from Hebron where Abraham lived. Abraham and Ismail never built the Ka'aba and it is unlikely that Ismail and his mother Hagar the Egyptian ever went there either. There is no evidence of the existence of Makkah, archeological or historical, before c. 200BCE. Makkah lies too far off the beaten path of the caravan trails through Arabia and Yemen to have ever been important.
Muhammad (if he actually existed) was a LIAR, a CHEAT, a THIEF, a MURDERER, a RAPIST/ADULTERER, and a worshiperer of a ROCK and a FALSE GOD. These are all against the Ten Commandments as given to the People of the Book, the Israelites, by the real prophet of YHVH, Moses.
Muhammad claimed to be the prophet of Allah, a moon god, aka Sin/Nanna. This god and all his rules/laws are completely rejected as evil by the god of the Israelites, YHVH.
And Cain NEVER gave animals/humans by way of sacrifice; he was the one who offered vegetables. His offering was rejected because he was not pure of heart when he made the offering. He resented his brother Abel, and ventually killed him in a fit of jealousy.
As for the Incas, Aztecs, and the Mayans, they all still exist in the Americas.
Duh-swami has refuted your accusations against Christianity very well. I
suggest you read what he has to say very carefully. Then do some research and get an education before you post again.
Muhammad (if he actually existed) was a LIAR, a CHEAT, a THIEF, a MURDERER, a RAPIST/ADULTERER, and a worshiperer of a ROCK and a FALSE GOD. These are all against the Ten Commandments as given to the People of the Book, the Israelites, by the real prophet of YHVH, Moses.
Muhammad claimed to be the prophet of Allah, a moon god, aka Sin/Nanna. This god and all his rules/laws are completely rejected as evil by the god of the Israelites, YHVH.
And Cain NEVER gave animals/humans by way of sacrifice; he was the one who offered vegetables. His offering was rejected because he was not pure of heart when he made the offering. He resented his brother Abel, and ventually killed him in a fit of jealousy.
As for the Incas, Aztecs, and the Mayans, they all still exist in the Americas.
Duh-swami has refuted your accusations against Christianity very well. I
suggest you read what he has to say very carefully. Then do some research and get an education before you post again.
written by duh_swami , February 10, 2012
Just a reminder...This is Islam-Watch, not Hindu-watch...What do you know about Islam?
written by Sarah , February 10, 2012
Most likely the writer meant it was Manson who often praised Hitler, but didn't realize the erroneous switch during the final write up. :)
On a sidenote, if you look at pictures of Manson from the 60's, you will see that he and his girls (the ones who stood trial in 1969 with him) all had Swastikas tattooed on their foreheads.
On a sidenote, if you look at pictures of Manson from the 60's, you will see that he and his girls (the ones who stood trial in 1969 with him) all had Swastikas tattooed on their foreheads.
written by vbv , February 11, 2012
First of all , stop calling me a 'hindu fundamentalist" . I am not a fundamentalist of any sort. You are citing some fairy tales of some mythical kings/queens in hindu mythology , which never happened in history. These are mythical tales which is supposed to extol some socalled kings for their socalled valour. But you should also know that most of these mythologies are used symboloically to explain some natural events , astronomical events ,etc. No hindu scripture asks its adherents to go about murdering, looting ,raping the common folks to convert them to their idealogy. It is not a proselytising cult like Abrahamic cults of islam and christianity which is rigid, intolerant and violent . It asks its adherents to go about on a 'conversion' spree and to massacre those who do not submit to it . This is the history of these two cults. The genocides of peoples in the american continents and the condition of the original inhabitants of Australia. What about the millions enslaved from Africa?
In India we do not have this kind of barbaric bloodsheddings. In India Saivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Tanticism flourished together alongwith Budhism,Jainism and Sikhism. They were not going at each others throats and massacring and imposing their idealogies on each other. Not only that even the Iranians who were persec uted centuries ago by muslims in their country came to India and they have flourished in India following their zoroastrian faith. So did the jews who came to India on the malabar coast nearly 2,000 years ago. You cannot say the same for christians and muslims ,who always denigrated indegenous faiths and humiliated and committed untold attrocities on them to impose their socalled religion.
Jesus may have been a peaceful man , but his adherents were certainly not. Their hands are soaked in blood of millions and is just behind the barbaric cult of islam which has many more millions of deaths on their hands.
Even in Vedic times there are no records of such massacres except in symbolic tales to show the destruction of evil by good. Otherwise India could not have been so populous over thousands of years and so many diverse belief systems coexisting with each other though they may severely disagree with each other idealogically.
You are a hindu - hater , perhaps Zakir Naik himself ,who licks the arabs arse for their rials . A Big obfuscator and a liar, a taqiyya conster.
In India we do not have this kind of barbaric bloodsheddings. In India Saivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Tanticism flourished together alongwith Budhism,Jainism and Sikhism. They were not going at each others throats and massacring and imposing their idealogies on each other. Not only that even the Iranians who were persec uted centuries ago by muslims in their country came to India and they have flourished in India following their zoroastrian faith. So did the jews who came to India on the malabar coast nearly 2,000 years ago. You cannot say the same for christians and muslims ,who always denigrated indegenous faiths and humiliated and committed untold attrocities on them to impose their socalled religion.
Jesus may have been a peaceful man , but his adherents were certainly not. Their hands are soaked in blood of millions and is just behind the barbaric cult of islam which has many more millions of deaths on their hands.
Even in Vedic times there are no records of such massacres except in symbolic tales to show the destruction of evil by good. Otherwise India could not have been so populous over thousands of years and so many diverse belief systems coexisting with each other though they may severely disagree with each other idealogically.
You are a hindu - hater , perhaps Zakir Naik himself ,who licks the arabs arse for their rials . A Big obfuscator and a liar, a taqiyya conster.
written by vbv , February 11, 2012
If islam is not an offshoot of Abrahamic cult ,why don't the christian church call the muslims' bluff off? They should state ,officially, in no uncertain terms that they are the worst frauds. They do not do so, while muslims are calling the Bible names, clearly stating that it is distorted and not the'god's word' but manmade. I heard many muslim clerics say thus. I have watched Zakir Naik and his bunch of mullahs say in no uncertain terms that Bible is distorted and false in many of the shows in the "Peace TV". But many of the things like stoning to death, choppingoff limbs, death for adultery,etc are taken from the Old Testament ,which cannot be denied.
written by Al-Kufr , February 11, 2012
Overall good article, but one part caught my attention:
"Other more civilised religions like Buddhism, Jainism, and Christianity etc. do not back the idea that human sacrifices are pleasing to God."
Considering that the human sacrifice of Jesus is the CORE of Christianity, that line has to be a joke.
Buddhism and Jainism might be more 'civilised', but Christianity has just as much a fetish for human sacrifice as Islam does. Not to mention cannibalism. Going to church, eating the flesh (bread) and blood (wine) of Christ...
Christianity is just as barbaric as Islam. The contemporary 'civilised' Christianity we see in the west is entirely the result of secularism, and removal of church/religious political power. Christianity is Islam minus the balls. Don't fool yourself.
"Other more civilised religions like Buddhism, Jainism, and Christianity etc. do not back the idea that human sacrifices are pleasing to God."
Considering that the human sacrifice of Jesus is the CORE of Christianity, that line has to be a joke.
Buddhism and Jainism might be more 'civilised', but Christianity has just as much a fetish for human sacrifice as Islam does. Not to mention cannibalism. Going to church, eating the flesh (bread) and blood (wine) of Christ...
Christianity is just as barbaric as Islam. The contemporary 'civilised' Christianity we see in the west is entirely the result of secularism, and removal of church/religious political power. Christianity is Islam minus the balls. Don't fool yourself.
written by EL Padrino , February 11, 2012
First of all , stop calling me a 'hindu fundamentalist" . I am not a fundamentalist of any sort"
If you're not a hindu fundamentalist,then I'd hate to meet one.
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You are citing some fairy tales of some mythical kings/queens in hindu mythology , which never happened in history. "
Who says the Vedas are myths?The term "hindu mythology" was coined by the british.Majority of hindus (followers,leaders & scholars) believe these events took place.For eg. There was a controversy a few years ago where hindu activists protested the building of a canal because they believed it would destroy a bridge built by lord Ram & his army of monkeys...LOL
Sounds absurd to non-hindus but to ya'll it makes perfect sense.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6994415.stm
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No hindu scripture asks its adherents to go about murdering, looting ,raping the common folks to convert them to their idealogy"
Oh please...I can show you dozens of verses that command the vedic people to wage war or to kill the godless/non-adherents for their possessions.
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n India Saivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Tanticism flourished together alongwith Budhism,Jainism and Sikhism"
Buddhism,Jainism & Sikhism was tolerated by the hindu majority because they were subdued & posed no real threat to the hinduism.BTW..hinduism is responsible for the mass decline of buddhism in India.
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So did the jews who came to India on the malabar coast nearly 2,000 years ago"
And the jews have been immigrating to Israel ever since.Don't pat yourself on the back just yet because the same hindus (uppercastes) who tolerated the white invaders & immigrants were simultaneously incredibly intolerant of the fellow low-caste citizens.Again,there are countless examples today how upper caste hindus oppress the lower & out castes.Such as the ongoing witch-hunts,dalit slavery,forced reconversions through terror & rape,caste killings etc.These are all legacies left by the sage Manu himself.
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Even in Vedic times there are no records of such massacres except in symbolic tales to show the destruction of evil by good"
The internal evidence in the Vedas shows us that many massacres & plunderings took place during the vedic period which resulted in the deaths of millions.
And can you tell me what is the symbolic tale to show the destrcution of evil by good" in verses that glorify war for booty?I've already provided one such verse above as in (Yaj Veda 17:38) that encourages the vedic army to kill the enemy & his family & then to usurp (steal) their land.Please explain.
If you're not a hindu fundamentalist,then I'd hate to meet one.
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You are citing some fairy tales of some mythical kings/queens in hindu mythology , which never happened in history. "
Who says the Vedas are myths?The term "hindu mythology" was coined by the british.Majority of hindus (followers,leaders & scholars) believe these events took place.For eg. There was a controversy a few years ago where hindu activists protested the building of a canal because they believed it would destroy a bridge built by lord Ram & his army of monkeys...LOL
Sounds absurd to non-hindus but to ya'll it makes perfect sense.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6994415.stm
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No hindu scripture asks its adherents to go about murdering, looting ,raping the common folks to convert them to their idealogy"
Oh please...I can show you dozens of verses that command the vedic people to wage war or to kill the godless/non-adherents for their possessions.
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n India Saivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Tanticism flourished together alongwith Budhism,Jainism and Sikhism"
Buddhism,Jainism & Sikhism was tolerated by the hindu majority because they were subdued & posed no real threat to the hinduism.BTW..hinduism is responsible for the mass decline of buddhism in India.
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So did the jews who came to India on the malabar coast nearly 2,000 years ago"
And the jews have been immigrating to Israel ever since.Don't pat yourself on the back just yet because the same hindus (uppercastes) who tolerated the white invaders & immigrants were simultaneously incredibly intolerant of the fellow low-caste citizens.Again,there are countless examples today how upper caste hindus oppress the lower & out castes.Such as the ongoing witch-hunts,dalit slavery,forced reconversions through terror & rape,caste killings etc.These are all legacies left by the sage Manu himself.
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Even in Vedic times there are no records of such massacres except in symbolic tales to show the destruction of evil by good"
The internal evidence in the Vedas shows us that many massacres & plunderings took place during the vedic period which resulted in the deaths of millions.
And can you tell me what is the symbolic tale to show the destrcution of evil by good" in verses that glorify war for booty?I've already provided one such verse above as in (Yaj Veda 17:38) that encourages the vedic army to kill the enemy & his family & then to usurp (steal) their land.Please explain.
written by duh_swami , February 11, 2012
The internal evidence in the Vedas shows us that many massacres & plunderings took place during the vedic period which resulted in the deaths of millions.
If massacres and plunderings were so profitable, why did they stop? The question is, did the devotee's do all these dastardly deeds because their scripture and gods told them too, or was there some other reason? Can a participant say, 'The Vedas made me do it'?
Mohammad didn't stop and his devotee's are still doing it to this day...In their case, the Quran/Islam is making them do it, but since it's all for Allah (at the minimum of 20%), they don't mind massacring and plundering...in fact they are kind of used to it...The ummah has been doing it for 1300 years...If you practice anything that long, you will get pretty good at it...
If massacres and plunderings were so profitable, why did they stop? The question is, did the devotee's do all these dastardly deeds because their scripture and gods told them too, or was there some other reason? Can a participant say, 'The Vedas made me do it'?
Mohammad didn't stop and his devotee's are still doing it to this day...In their case, the Quran/Islam is making them do it, but since it's all for Allah (at the minimum of 20%), they don't mind massacring and plundering...in fact they are kind of used to it...The ummah has been doing it for 1300 years...If you practice anything that long, you will get pretty good at it...
written by duh_swami , February 11, 2012
Christianity is just as barbaric as Islam.
No it's not...No religion or despotic ideology can compare to the evil of Islam...
Allahu Akbar proves it...Allahu Akbar is a cult not a religion...Even during the hated crusades, Christian fighters did not shout 'Jesus saves' while beheading people...Allahu Akbar is present, cheering Muslims on, every time they do a dastardly deed...Allahu Akbar demands bloody human sacrifices, and Muslims provide them...Jesus makes no such demands...Allahu Akbar demands severe punishments such as lashings, stonings, beheadings, amputations of limbs, crucifixions, robbery, and murders...Jesus makes no such demands...Allahu Akbar is one evil Allahu...Christianity can't compete with that...
No it's not...No religion or despotic ideology can compare to the evil of Islam...
Allahu Akbar proves it...Allahu Akbar is a cult not a religion...Even during the hated crusades, Christian fighters did not shout 'Jesus saves' while beheading people...Allahu Akbar is present, cheering Muslims on, every time they do a dastardly deed...Allahu Akbar demands bloody human sacrifices, and Muslims provide them...Jesus makes no such demands...Allahu Akbar demands severe punishments such as lashings, stonings, beheadings, amputations of limbs, crucifixions, robbery, and murders...Jesus makes no such demands...Allahu Akbar is one evil Allahu...Christianity can't compete with that...
written by superphoenix , February 11, 2012
about jews they tend to eat cows balls and complian about their kosher meat which also contain christian and muslim childrens blood.
written by superphoenix , February 11, 2012
hindus do use to burn women and children when husband died but the muslims stopped u blood thirsty pigs from doing this. Its hardly a surprise, today what ever achievement are done in india is through progressive work of muslim.
written by duh_swami , February 11, 2012
about jews they tend to eat cows balls and complian about their kosher meat which also contain christian and muslim childrens blood.
You can help stop those evils by encouraging Jews to become vegetarians...Just think how much better the world would be if Jews stopped eating cow balls and drinking Childrens blood...Vegetarianism is the solution...Tell everyone you know...
You can help stop those evils by encouraging Jews to become vegetarians...Just think how much better the world would be if Jews stopped eating cow balls and drinking Childrens blood...Vegetarianism is the solution...Tell everyone you know...
written by duh_swami , February 11, 2012
hindus do use to burn women and children when husband died but the muslims stopped u blood thirsty pigs from doing this.
Hindus did that? And Muslims stopped them? How wonderful, and all the Muslims had to do to stop these blood thirsty pigs was to kill 80/100 million of them during Muslim rule...
Those ungrateful Hindus should be thanking Muslims for bringing all that progress to India...
Hindus did that? And Muslims stopped them? How wonderful, and all the Muslims had to do to stop these blood thirsty pigs was to kill 80/100 million of them during Muslim rule...
Those ungrateful Hindus should be thanking Muslims for bringing all that progress to India...
written by fineliving56 , February 11, 2012
Before you point your dirty and bloody dipped finger at others … look at your sadistic, sorry excuse of a prophet, first, and see and read about what he Had done in the name of your Islam …
written by Bingo , February 11, 2012
All,
El Padrino is an antisemite. On FFI he has openly supported d genocide of Jews. As Xnity is on death bed in the West he is frustrated. He doesn't have balls to accept beauties of eastern philosophy such as yoga, meditation, Reiki, and ayurveda.
El Padrino is an antisemite. On FFI he has openly supported d genocide of Jews. As Xnity is on death bed in the West he is frustrated. He doesn't have balls to accept beauties of eastern philosophy such as yoga, meditation, Reiki, and ayurveda.
written by M. A. Khan, editor , February 11, 2012
Instead, it may have gotten worse during the war-filled during period, as Muslims used to kill large number of Hindu men, leaving a huge number of women widowed and liable to burning alive.
It is the British, who banned and prevented Sati, never the Muslims.
It is the British, who banned and prevented Sati, never the Muslims.
written by vbv , February 11, 2012
Hindus and Sikhs never massacred each other ,it is difficult for you to stomach that. They tolerated each other even if they did not accept their idealogies. Budhists and Jains were basically atheists and they were also not massacred by various denominations of hindus. This is also difficult for you to stomach,especially the christians ( especially in the USA think that atheists are not even worth considered as citizens in the 21st. century - that is what Bush had to say , and so also other politicians) and muslims would not hesitate to persecute the 'heretics' even today. In an islamic country the atheist would be just murdered - it would be termed as "wajib-e-katl" or justified killing. India is the onlky country in the world that has allowed all kinds of faith to flourish since time immemorial, and today the constitution of the country guarantees that. Taliking of the scheduled castes , the most populous state Uttar Pradesh is governed by a Dalit. Moreover the constitution of India guarantees the underprivileged classes by way of reservation in education institutions and jobs.
All major religions of this planet Earth has its representation in this country and has full freedom to build their places of worship and carry out their ceremonies. This cannot be said of muslim countries which discriminate and humiliate other systems of beliefs. Saudi Arabia , Iran, Iraq, Syria, etc are countries that explicitly ban any other religion on their soil.
Much of the Vedas are symbolic of the Nature and Spirituality. Vedic seers were poets and not barbaric semetic nuts who spoke in simple literal way. Rig Vedas hymns are poetic compositions withvarious kinds of verses and metres like "gayathri, Ushnip, Trishtup,Anushtup,Jagasthi,Athijagathi,etc". The cersification itself complex with tightly packed words that can be misinterpreted and slandered by people like you. Vedic seers were not glorifying any barbaric act by such complex poetry that was devised over 5,000 years ago when Abraham was not even born. Even during the times of Panini ,the famous sanskrit grammarian of the 6th century BCE ,the Vedic language had become very archaic. And a nut like you is all that is required to misintepret and vilify this ancient book of philosophy and freethinking seers who had no axe to grind nor to vilify any competing religion like the semetic creed which vilified the religions of ancient Egyptians, Babylonians,Persiansa, Greeks,Romans, Celtic people. Only semetic creed brought about the destruction of many a civilisations - Egyptians, Greeks,Romans, Persians,etc. That the Abrahamic cults of islam ,christianity and judaism are the cause of most destruction and wars in the world since its inception.
All major religions of this planet Earth has its representation in this country and has full freedom to build their places of worship and carry out their ceremonies. This cannot be said of muslim countries which discriminate and humiliate other systems of beliefs. Saudi Arabia , Iran, Iraq, Syria, etc are countries that explicitly ban any other religion on their soil.
Much of the Vedas are symbolic of the Nature and Spirituality. Vedic seers were poets and not barbaric semetic nuts who spoke in simple literal way. Rig Vedas hymns are poetic compositions withvarious kinds of verses and metres like "gayathri, Ushnip, Trishtup,Anushtup,Jagasthi,Athijagathi,etc". The cersification itself complex with tightly packed words that can be misinterpreted and slandered by people like you. Vedic seers were not glorifying any barbaric act by such complex poetry that was devised over 5,000 years ago when Abraham was not even born. Even during the times of Panini ,the famous sanskrit grammarian of the 6th century BCE ,the Vedic language had become very archaic. And a nut like you is all that is required to misintepret and vilify this ancient book of philosophy and freethinking seers who had no axe to grind nor to vilify any competing religion like the semetic creed which vilified the religions of ancient Egyptians, Babylonians,Persiansa, Greeks,Romans, Celtic people. Only semetic creed brought about the destruction of many a civilisations - Egyptians, Greeks,Romans, Persians,etc. That the Abrahamic cults of islam ,christianity and judaism are the cause of most destruction and wars in the world since its inception.
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Surah 112. Al-Ikhlas
1. Say: He is Allah, the One!
2. Allah, the eternally Besought of all!
3. He begetteth not nor was begotten.
4. And there is none comparable unto Him.
Adam(the first Prophet),Idris,Nuh,Hud,Sholeh,Ibrahim, Lut, Ismail, Ishak, Yacub, Yusuf etc.they worship Allah.They are Muslim.open Holy Quran.learn islam.Looks and go to another islam Coutry likes, Brunaidarussalam, malaysia, Indonesia, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh.Islam The future relegion only have one god.whorship one god.islam is the straight path.
Holy Quran
Surah 19. Maryam
1. Kaf. Ha. Ya. Ain. Sad.
2. A mention of the mercy of thy Lord unto His servant Zachariah.
3. When he cried unto his Lord a cry in secret,
4. Saying: My Lord! Lo! the bones of me wax feeble and my head is shining with grey hair, and I have never been
unblest in prayer to Thee, my Lord.
5. Lo! I fear my kinsfolk after me, since my wife is barren. Oh, give me from Thy presence a successor
6. Who shall inherit of me and inherit (also) of the house of Jacob. And make him, my Lord, acceptable ( unto Thee).
7. (It was said unto him): O Zachariah! Lo! We bring thee tidings of a son whose name is John; We have given the same
name to none before (him).
8. He said: My Lord! How can I have a son when my wife is barren and I have reached infirm old age?
9. He said: So (it will be). Thy Lord saith: It is easy for Me, even as I created thee before, when thou wast naught.
10. He said: My Lord! Appoint for me some token. He said: Thy token is that thou, with no bodily defect, shalt not
speak unto mankind three nights.
11. Then he came forth unto his people from the sanctuary, and signified to them: Glorify your Lord at break of day
and fall of night.
12. (And it was said unto his son): O John! Hold the Scripture. And We gave him wisdom when a child.
13. And compassion from Our presence, and purity; and he was devout,
14. And dutiful toward his parents. And he was not arrogant, rebellious.
15. Peace on him the day be was born, and the day he dieth and the day he shall be raised alive!
16. And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East,
17. And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a
perfect man.
18. She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art God fearing.
19. He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.
20. She said: How can I have a son when no mortal hath touched me, neither have I been unchaste!
1. Say: He is Allah, the One!
2. Allah, the eternally Besought of all!
3. He begetteth not nor was begotten.
4. And there is none comparable unto Him.
Adam(the first Prophet),Idris,Nuh,Hud,Sholeh,Ibrahim, Lut, Ismail, Ishak, Yacub, Yusuf etc.they worship Allah.They are Muslim.open Holy Quran.learn islam.Looks and go to another islam Coutry likes, Brunaidarussalam, malaysia, Indonesia, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh.Islam The future relegion only have one god.whorship one god.islam is the straight path.
Holy Quran
Surah 19. Maryam
1. Kaf. Ha. Ya. Ain. Sad.
2. A mention of the mercy of thy Lord unto His servant Zachariah.
3. When he cried unto his Lord a cry in secret,
4. Saying: My Lord! Lo! the bones of me wax feeble and my head is shining with grey hair, and I have never been
unblest in prayer to Thee, my Lord.
5. Lo! I fear my kinsfolk after me, since my wife is barren. Oh, give me from Thy presence a successor
6. Who shall inherit of me and inherit (also) of the house of Jacob. And make him, my Lord, acceptable ( unto Thee).
7. (It was said unto him): O Zachariah! Lo! We bring thee tidings of a son whose name is John; We have given the same
name to none before (him).
8. He said: My Lord! How can I have a son when my wife is barren and I have reached infirm old age?
9. He said: So (it will be). Thy Lord saith: It is easy for Me, even as I created thee before, when thou wast naught.
10. He said: My Lord! Appoint for me some token. He said: Thy token is that thou, with no bodily defect, shalt not
speak unto mankind three nights.
11. Then he came forth unto his people from the sanctuary, and signified to them: Glorify your Lord at break of day
and fall of night.
12. (And it was said unto his son): O John! Hold the Scripture. And We gave him wisdom when a child.
13. And compassion from Our presence, and purity; and he was devout,
14. And dutiful toward his parents. And he was not arrogant, rebellious.
15. Peace on him the day be was born, and the day he dieth and the day he shall be raised alive!
16. And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East,
17. And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a
perfect man.
18. She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art God fearing.
19. He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.
20. She said: How can I have a son when no mortal hath touched me, neither have I been unchaste!
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21. He said: So (it will be). Thy Lord saith: It is easy for Me. And (it will be) that We may make of him a revelation
for mankind and a mercy from Us, and it is a thing ordained.
22. And she, conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a place.
23. And the pangs of childbirth drove her unto the trunk of the palm tree. She said: Oh, would that I had died ere this
and had become a thing of naught, forgotten!
24. Then (one) cried unto her from below her, saying: Grieve not! Thy Lord hath placed a rivulet beneath thee,
25. And shake the trunk of the palm tree toward thee, thou wilt cause ripe dates to fall upon thee.
26. So eat and drink and be consoled. And if thou meetest any mortal, say: Lo! I have vowed a fast unto the Beneficent,
and may not speak this day to any mortal.
27. Then she brought him to her own folk, carrying him. They said: O Mary! Thou hast come with an amazing thing.
28. Oh sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot.
29. Then she pointed to him. They said How can we tale to one who is in the cradle, a young boy?
30. He spake: Lo! I am the slave of Allah. He hath given me the Scripture and hath appointed me a Prophet,
31. And hath made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and hath enjoined upon me prayer and alms giving so long as I
remain alive,
32. And (hath made me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
33. Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!
34. Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth concerning which they doubt.
35. It befitteth not (the Majesty of) Allah that He should take unto Himself a son. Glory be to Him! When He decreeth
a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.
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36. And lo! Allah is my Lord and your Lord. So serve Him. That is the right path.
37. The sects among them differ: but woe unto the disbelievers from the meeting of an awful Day.
38. See and hear them on the Day they come unto Us! Yet the evil doers are today in error manifest.
39. And warn them of the Day of anguish when the case hath been decided. Now they are in a state of carelessness, and
they believe not.
for mankind and a mercy from Us, and it is a thing ordained.
22. And she, conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a place.
23. And the pangs of childbirth drove her unto the trunk of the palm tree. She said: Oh, would that I had died ere this
and had become a thing of naught, forgotten!
24. Then (one) cried unto her from below her, saying: Grieve not! Thy Lord hath placed a rivulet beneath thee,
25. And shake the trunk of the palm tree toward thee, thou wilt cause ripe dates to fall upon thee.
26. So eat and drink and be consoled. And if thou meetest any mortal, say: Lo! I have vowed a fast unto the Beneficent,
and may not speak this day to any mortal.
27. Then she brought him to her own folk, carrying him. They said: O Mary! Thou hast come with an amazing thing.
28. Oh sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot.
29. Then she pointed to him. They said How can we tale to one who is in the cradle, a young boy?
30. He spake: Lo! I am the slave of Allah. He hath given me the Scripture and hath appointed me a Prophet,
31. And hath made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and hath enjoined upon me prayer and alms giving so long as I
remain alive,
32. And (hath made me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
33. Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!
34. Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth concerning which they doubt.
35. It befitteth not (the Majesty of) Allah that He should take unto Himself a son. Glory be to Him! When He decreeth
a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.
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36. And lo! Allah is my Lord and your Lord. So serve Him. That is the right path.
37. The sects among them differ: but woe unto the disbelievers from the meeting of an awful Day.
38. See and hear them on the Day they come unto Us! Yet the evil doers are today in error manifest.
39. And warn them of the Day of anguish when the case hath been decided. Now they are in a state of carelessness, and
they believe not.
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40. Lo! We inherit the earth and all who are thereon, and unto Us they are returned.
41. And make mention (O Muhammad) in the Scripture of Abraham. Lo! he was a saint, a Prophet.
42. When he said unto his father: O my father! Why worshippest thou that which beareth not nor seeth, nor can in aught
avail thee?
43. O my father! Lo! there hath come unto me of knowledge that which came not unto thee. So follow me, and I will
lead thee on a right path.
44. O my father! Serve not the devil. Lo! the devil is a rebel unto the Beneficent.
45. O my father! Lo! I fear lest a punishment from the Beneficent overtake thee so that thou become a comrade of the
devil.
46. He said: Rejectest thou my gods, O Abraham? If thou cease not, I shall surely stone thee. Depart from me a long
while!
47. He said: Peace be unto thee! I shall ask forgiveness of my Lord for thee. Lo! He was ever gracious unto me.
48. I shall withdraw from you and that unto which ye pray beside Allah, and I shall pray unto my Lord. It may be that,
in prayer unto my Lord, I shall not be unblest.
49. So, when he had withdrawn from them and that which they were worshipping beside Allah. We gave him Isaac and
Jacob. Each of them We made a Prophet.
50. And We gave them of Our mercy, and assigned to them a high and true renown.
51. And make mention in the Scripture of Moses. Lo! he was chosen, and he was a messenger (of Allah), a Prophet.
52. We called him from the right slope of the Mount, and brought him nigh in communion.
53. And We bestowed upon him of Our mercy his brother Aaron, a Prophet (likewise).
54. And make mention in the Scripture of Ishmael. Lo! he was a keeper of his promise, and he was a messenger (of
Allah) a Prophet.
55. He enjoined upon his people worship and alms giving, and was acceptable in the sight of his Lord.
56. And make mention in the Scripture of Idris. Lo! he was a saint, a Prophet;
57. And We raised him to high station.
58. These are they unto whom Allah showed favour from among the Prophets, of the seed of Adam and of those whom
We carried (in the ship) with Noah, and of the seed of Abraham and Israel, and from among those whom We guided
and chose. When the revelations of the Beneficent were recited unto them, they fell down, adoring and weeping.
59. Now there hath succeeded them a later generation who have ruined worship and have followed lusts. But they will
meet deception.
60. Save him who shall repent and believe and do right Such will enter the Garden and they will not be wronged in aught.
41. And make mention (O Muhammad) in the Scripture of Abraham. Lo! he was a saint, a Prophet.
42. When he said unto his father: O my father! Why worshippest thou that which beareth not nor seeth, nor can in aught
avail thee?
43. O my father! Lo! there hath come unto me of knowledge that which came not unto thee. So follow me, and I will
lead thee on a right path.
44. O my father! Serve not the devil. Lo! the devil is a rebel unto the Beneficent.
45. O my father! Lo! I fear lest a punishment from the Beneficent overtake thee so that thou become a comrade of the
devil.
46. He said: Rejectest thou my gods, O Abraham? If thou cease not, I shall surely stone thee. Depart from me a long
while!
47. He said: Peace be unto thee! I shall ask forgiveness of my Lord for thee. Lo! He was ever gracious unto me.
48. I shall withdraw from you and that unto which ye pray beside Allah, and I shall pray unto my Lord. It may be that,
in prayer unto my Lord, I shall not be unblest.
49. So, when he had withdrawn from them and that which they were worshipping beside Allah. We gave him Isaac and
Jacob. Each of them We made a Prophet.
50. And We gave them of Our mercy, and assigned to them a high and true renown.
51. And make mention in the Scripture of Moses. Lo! he was chosen, and he was a messenger (of Allah), a Prophet.
52. We called him from the right slope of the Mount, and brought him nigh in communion.
53. And We bestowed upon him of Our mercy his brother Aaron, a Prophet (likewise).
54. And make mention in the Scripture of Ishmael. Lo! he was a keeper of his promise, and he was a messenger (of
Allah) a Prophet.
55. He enjoined upon his people worship and alms giving, and was acceptable in the sight of his Lord.
56. And make mention in the Scripture of Idris. Lo! he was a saint, a Prophet;
57. And We raised him to high station.
58. These are they unto whom Allah showed favour from among the Prophets, of the seed of Adam and of those whom
We carried (in the ship) with Noah, and of the seed of Abraham and Israel, and from among those whom We guided
and chose. When the revelations of the Beneficent were recited unto them, they fell down, adoring and weeping.
59. Now there hath succeeded them a later generation who have ruined worship and have followed lusts. But they will
meet deception.
60. Save him who shall repent and believe and do right Such will enter the Garden and they will not be wronged in aught.
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61. Gardens of Eden, which the Beneficent hath, promised to His slaves in the Unseen. Lo! His promise is ever sure
of fulfilment.
62. They hear therein no idle talk, but only Peace; and therein they have food for morn and evening.
63. Such is the Garden which We cause the devout among Our bondmen to inherit.
64. We (angels) come not down save by commandment of thy Lord. Unto Him belongeth all that is before us and all
that is behind us and all that is between those two, and thy Lord was never forgetful
65. Lord of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them! Therefor, worship thou Him and be thou steadfast
in His service. Knowest thou one that can be named along with Him? `
66. And man saith: When I am dead, shall I forsooth be brought forth alive?
67. Doth not man remember that We created him before, when he was naught?
68. And, by thy Lord, verily We shall assemble them and the devils, then We shall bring them, crouching, around hell.
69. Then We shall pluck out from every sect whichever of them was most stern in rebellion to the Beneficent.
70. And surely We are best aware of those most worthy to be burned therein.
71. There is not one of you but shall approach it. That is a fixed ordinance of thy Lord.
72. Then We shall rescue those who kept from evil, and leave the evil doers crouching there.
73. And when Our clear revelations are recited unto them those who disbelieve say Unto those who believe: Which
of the two parties (yours or ours) is better in position, and more imposing as an army?
74. How many a generation have We destroyed before them, who were more imposing in respect of gear and outward
seeming!
75. Say: As for him who is in error, the Beneficent will verily prolong his span of life until, when they behold that
which they were promised, whether it be punishment (in the world), or Hour (of Doom), they will know who is worse
in position and who is weaker as, an army.
of fulfilment.
62. They hear therein no idle talk, but only Peace; and therein they have food for morn and evening.
63. Such is the Garden which We cause the devout among Our bondmen to inherit.
64. We (angels) come not down save by commandment of thy Lord. Unto Him belongeth all that is before us and all
that is behind us and all that is between those two, and thy Lord was never forgetful
65. Lord of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them! Therefor, worship thou Him and be thou steadfast
in His service. Knowest thou one that can be named along with Him? `
66. And man saith: When I am dead, shall I forsooth be brought forth alive?
67. Doth not man remember that We created him before, when he was naught?
68. And, by thy Lord, verily We shall assemble them and the devils, then We shall bring them, crouching, around hell.
69. Then We shall pluck out from every sect whichever of them was most stern in rebellion to the Beneficent.
70. And surely We are best aware of those most worthy to be burned therein.
71. There is not one of you but shall approach it. That is a fixed ordinance of thy Lord.
72. Then We shall rescue those who kept from evil, and leave the evil doers crouching there.
73. And when Our clear revelations are recited unto them those who disbelieve say Unto those who believe: Which
of the two parties (yours or ours) is better in position, and more imposing as an army?
74. How many a generation have We destroyed before them, who were more imposing in respect of gear and outward
seeming!
75. Say: As for him who is in error, the Beneficent will verily prolong his span of life until, when they behold that
which they were promised, whether it be punishment (in the world), or Hour (of Doom), they will know who is worse
in position and who is weaker as, an army.
written by then lie , February 12, 2012
76. Allah increaseth in right guidance those who walk aright, and the good deeds which endure are better in thy Lord's
sight for reward, and better for resort.
77. Hast thou seen him who disbelieveth in Our revelations and saith: Assuredly I shall be given wealth and children!
78. Hath he perused the Unseen, or hath he made a pact with the Beneficent?
79. Nay, but We shall record that which he saith and prolong for him a span of torment.
80. And We shall inherit from him that whereof he spake, and he will come unto Us, alone (without his wealth and
children).
81. And they have chosen (other) gods beside Allah that they may be a power for them.
82. Nay, but they will deny their worship of them, and become opponents unto them.
83. Seest thou not that We have set the devils on the disbelievers to confound them with confusion?
84. So make no haste against them (O Muhammad). We do but number unto them a sum (of days).
sight for reward, and better for resort.
77. Hast thou seen him who disbelieveth in Our revelations and saith: Assuredly I shall be given wealth and children!
78. Hath he perused the Unseen, or hath he made a pact with the Beneficent?
79. Nay, but We shall record that which he saith and prolong for him a span of torment.
80. And We shall inherit from him that whereof he spake, and he will come unto Us, alone (without his wealth and
children).
81. And they have chosen (other) gods beside Allah that they may be a power for them.
82. Nay, but they will deny their worship of them, and become opponents unto them.
83. Seest thou not that We have set the devils on the disbelievers to confound them with confusion?
84. So make no haste against them (O Muhammad). We do but number unto them a sum (of days).
written by then lie , February 12, 2012
85. On the Day when We shall gather the righteous unto the Beneficent, a goodly company.
86. And drive the guilty unto Hell, a weary herd,
87. They will have no power of intercession, save him who hath made a covenant with his Lord
88. And they say: The Beneficent hath taken unto Himself a son.
89. Assuredly ye Utter a disastrous thing,
90. Whereby almost the heavens are torn, and the earth is split asunder and the mountains fall in ruins,
91. That ye ascribe unto the Beneficent a son,
92. When it is not meet for (the Majesty of) the Beneficent that He should choose a son.
93. There is none in the heavens and the earth but cometh unto the Beneficent as a slave.
94. Verily He knoweth them and numbereth them with (right) numbering.
95. And each one of them will come unto Him on the Day of Resurrection, alone.
96. Lo! those who believe and do good works, the Beneficent will appoint for them love.
97. And We make (this Scripture) easy in thy tongue, (O Muhammad) only that thou mayst bear good tidings therewith
unto those who ward off (evil), and warn therewith the froward folk.
98. And how many a generation before them have We destroyed! Canst thou (Muhammad) see a single man of them,
or hear from them the slightest sound?
86. And drive the guilty unto Hell, a weary herd,
87. They will have no power of intercession, save him who hath made a covenant with his Lord
88. And they say: The Beneficent hath taken unto Himself a son.
89. Assuredly ye Utter a disastrous thing,
90. Whereby almost the heavens are torn, and the earth is split asunder and the mountains fall in ruins,
91. That ye ascribe unto the Beneficent a son,
92. When it is not meet for (the Majesty of) the Beneficent that He should choose a son.
93. There is none in the heavens and the earth but cometh unto the Beneficent as a slave.
94. Verily He knoweth them and numbereth them with (right) numbering.
95. And each one of them will come unto Him on the Day of Resurrection, alone.
96. Lo! those who believe and do good works, the Beneficent will appoint for them love.
97. And We make (this Scripture) easy in thy tongue, (O Muhammad) only that thou mayst bear good tidings therewith
unto those who ward off (evil), and warn therewith the froward folk.
98. And how many a generation before them have We destroyed! Canst thou (Muhammad) see a single man of them,
or hear from them the slightest sound?
written by Yibel , February 12, 2012
Many Christian churches do refute Islam. However, the MSM seldom reports on what is being said against Islam and goes out of its way to vilify anyone who speaks out (Qur'an burning pastor, protests against the building of mosques, etc). The term Islamophobia (a word invented by the Muslim Brotherhood BTW) gets thrown around quite a lot if anyone dares to suggest that Islam is really a totalitarian death cult whose book bares no resemblance to the Bible.
Of course the imams are very clear on the fact that the Qur'an is not anything like the Bible and they MUST, therefore, condemn the Bible as false. It is either that, or admit that the Qur'an is false because they are nothing alike!
Yes, there is stoning in the Bible as a punishment for adultry; however, there is no chopping off of hands. Thieves were required to repay the amounts stolen, usually double the amount, but no chopping off of limbs. Also, these laws were in Leviticus, which means they are the laws of the Levites, the oral law which was probably written down after the Babylonian Exile (if you don't know what that it you can get answers from google). These laws were only for the time, not written in stone as were the Ten Commandments.
Therefore, these laws and punishments were/are considered changeable and are an estimate and mere comparison to the total light that is gradually and continuously revealed to us through the prophets culminating with Yah'shua (Jesus).
We humans are expected to evolve to a higher understanding. I believe the Vedas also mention something to that effect, but I could be wrong.
Of course the imams are very clear on the fact that the Qur'an is not anything like the Bible and they MUST, therefore, condemn the Bible as false. It is either that, or admit that the Qur'an is false because they are nothing alike!
Yes, there is stoning in the Bible as a punishment for adultry; however, there is no chopping off of hands. Thieves were required to repay the amounts stolen, usually double the amount, but no chopping off of limbs. Also, these laws were in Leviticus, which means they are the laws of the Levites, the oral law which was probably written down after the Babylonian Exile (if you don't know what that it you can get answers from google). These laws were only for the time, not written in stone as were the Ten Commandments.
Therefore, these laws and punishments were/are considered changeable and are an estimate and mere comparison to the total light that is gradually and continuously revealed to us through the prophets culminating with Yah'shua (Jesus).
We humans are expected to evolve to a higher understanding. I believe the Vedas also mention something to that effect, but I could be wrong.
written by duh_swami , February 12, 2012
All that pornography you posted should get deleted...
written by Cerebrum123 , February 12, 2012
Again you show that you do not care about posting accurately ,but about venting your hate in any way you can. Cain was the one burning plants as an offering ,and Abel was the one who sacrificed the animals for one (Cain's sacrifice wasn't accepted because he didn't give the best of what he produced unlike Abel.) Cain WAS punished with a curse. You would know this if you actually looked before you posted. Other than some wars with the Canaanites and Philistines(The Canaanites and surrounding nations were doing some horrible things like sacrificing their children to their gods ,like Molech BTW. They were also given a VERY LONG time to turn away from this evil too.), what real bloodshed is on the hands of the Jews? As for the Christians ,the Crusades were POLITICAL ,and NOT a result of Christian teaching. The Inquisitions were also POLITICAL ,and have been greatly exaggerated (in fact their prisons were often more humane than any secular one's at the time). As for the Conquistadors ,I did ask you for a source on forced conversions on another article ,but you never gave one(also political as far as I know).
What about the blood on ancient polytheistic nations (Rome ,Greece,Egypt ,China etc.) ,or the blood on atheistic nations (Hitler's Germany ,Stalin's Soviet Union ,Mao's China etc. who killed more in the last century than all other wars in history COMBINED).
@ Yibel
Leviticus was written by Moses ,and was therefore written well before the Babylonian exile. The "Documentary Hypothesis" has no real evidence in support of it ,and is actually discredited by the available evidence. If you want to find out more there are many sites you can visit ,like Tekton Ministries website (I don't agree with everything they post ,but they are a good source on history ,and Biblical exegesis.)
What about the blood on ancient polytheistic nations (Rome ,Greece,Egypt ,China etc.) ,or the blood on atheistic nations (Hitler's Germany ,Stalin's Soviet Union ,Mao's China etc. who killed more in the last century than all other wars in history COMBINED).
@ Yibel
Leviticus was written by Moses ,and was therefore written well before the Babylonian exile. The "Documentary Hypothesis" has no real evidence in support of it ,and is actually discredited by the available evidence. If you want to find out more there are many sites you can visit ,like Tekton Ministries website (I don't agree with everything they post ,but they are a good source on history ,and Biblical exegesis.)
written by Cerebrum123 , February 12, 2012
Jesus was not a human sacrifice ,but a SELF sacrifice. He gave up His own life so that we might not have to pay the penalty we rightfully deserve to pay. Also Communion isn't cannibalistic ,it's SYMBOLIC. Jesus often referred to Himself as the "bread of life" ,and I believe has to do with God providing the Israelite's with Manna during their 40 years in the wilderness(the Catholic doctrine of "Transubstantiation" is not something in the Bible ,and is not something I believe in. I wouldn't think that there are many Catholics that would actually believe it ,but I could be wrong.).
written by duh_swami , February 12, 2012
Jesus was not a human sacrifice ,but a SELF sacrifice. He gave up His own life so that we might not have to pay the penalty we rightfully deserve to pay.
Well that didn't work out too well did it...According to you and your theories we still have to pay it...
Well that didn't work out too well did it...According to you and your theories we still have to pay it...
written by Yibel , February 12, 2012
Surat 112 is actually an ode to An/Anu, the eternal god, the unbegotten one, the original creator god of the Mesopotamians (Sumerians) of the city of Erech. His sign was the crescent moon and the horns of a bull and his consort was Ishtar whose sign was the planet Venus - The Star and the Crescent of Islam.
The name of this divinity is derived from the Sumerian “ana”, “heaven”, of
which he was the principal deity. An/Anu was the visible sky (containing the
moon, sun and stars), but was also the invisible heavens considered beyond the sky. The Throne of Marduk, the creator of humans, was above these heavens and this is where the Tablets of Destiny were kept - the original Qur'an. (BTW Qur in Babylonian meant Hell, so Qur'an means Hell'Heaven!)
While I don't know anything about who Hud, Ismail, Sholeh/Salih and Idris worshiped because they are either not in the Bible at all (Hud, Salih and Idris), or they rejected the God of the Bible. Ismail/Ishmail probably worshiped the Egyptian gods since his mother was an Egyptian and she married him to an Egyptian and one of his grandsons was Hori, meaning a worshiper of Horus. However, Adam, Nuh/Noah, Ibrahim/Abraham, Ishak/Isaac, Jacob and Joseph all worhiped YHVH, a TOTALLY different God from the 99+ gods of the Qur'an.
(I read somewhere that there are really over 300 gods listed in the Qur'an, but I haven't had the time to check this out.) I have however read the Qur'an. It is a path straight to hell. Muhammad was listening to an evil djinn.
The name of this divinity is derived from the Sumerian “ana”, “heaven”, of
which he was the principal deity. An/Anu was the visible sky (containing the
moon, sun and stars), but was also the invisible heavens considered beyond the sky. The Throne of Marduk, the creator of humans, was above these heavens and this is where the Tablets of Destiny were kept - the original Qur'an. (BTW Qur in Babylonian meant Hell, so Qur'an means Hell'Heaven!)
While I don't know anything about who Hud, Ismail, Sholeh/Salih and Idris worshiped because they are either not in the Bible at all (Hud, Salih and Idris), or they rejected the God of the Bible. Ismail/Ishmail probably worshiped the Egyptian gods since his mother was an Egyptian and she married him to an Egyptian and one of his grandsons was Hori, meaning a worshiper of Horus. However, Adam, Nuh/Noah, Ibrahim/Abraham, Ishak/Isaac, Jacob and Joseph all worhiped YHVH, a TOTALLY different God from the 99+ gods of the Qur'an.
(I read somewhere that there are really over 300 gods listed in the Qur'an, but I haven't had the time to check this out.) I have however read the Qur'an. It is a path straight to hell. Muhammad was listening to an evil djinn.
written by Bingo , February 12, 2012
Let us assume Indian scriptures condone stealing others' wealth in the name of religion. They have a history of at least 3500 years. Show me one evidence where they have conquered a nation by force, robbed women n wealth n pushed religion on them?
If they did not resort to monotheistic barbarism, then they must have had tenacity to jettison the crap, if at all it existed in scriptures. Jews, whom you hate, took shelter in India whilst Hitler n the Pope were gassing them in Europe.
If they did not resort to monotheistic barbarism, then they must have had tenacity to jettison the crap, if at all it existed in scriptures. Jews, whom you hate, took shelter in India whilst Hitler n the Pope were gassing them in Europe.
written by vbv , February 13, 2012
You are absolutelty right. In all of its history indians never went to another country ,even in its neighbourhood , like Iran or central Asia, West Asia, or East Asia for plunder and capturing women toi use them as sexslaves and indulge in fleshtrade like the barbarians of middle-east , nor did they force their religion down the throat of anyone by the sword. And it has over 5,000 years of history to prove it.
And jews came to India not just during Hitler massacres , but even 2,000 years before that and practiced their faith freely on the malabar coast ,especially in the state of Kerela ,so did the christians nearly 1,900 years ago , or the iranians now known as parsis some 1,000 years ago. Nobody converted them and they were allowed to build their synagogues,fire temples and churches , when europe was in a turmoil with burning of heretics . Muslims are continuing their barbaric practices even in the 21st. century while Europe has long since woken up to realise these are evil practices and extremely bigoted and uncivilised that goes aginst their ancient culture and heritage - the ways of ancient Greece, Rome, Celts, Druids ,etc.
And jews came to India not just during Hitler massacres , but even 2,000 years before that and practiced their faith freely on the malabar coast ,especially in the state of Kerela ,so did the christians nearly 1,900 years ago , or the iranians now known as parsis some 1,000 years ago. Nobody converted them and they were allowed to build their synagogues,fire temples and churches , when europe was in a turmoil with burning of heretics . Muslims are continuing their barbaric practices even in the 21st. century while Europe has long since woken up to realise these are evil practices and extremely bigoted and uncivilised that goes aginst their ancient culture and heritage - the ways of ancient Greece, Rome, Celts, Druids ,etc.
written by vbv , February 13, 2012
Europe progressed and became a tolerant society only after they reclaimed their ancient heritage ,especially of the Greece and Rome. Much of their philosophy and science owes to ancient Greece and their knowledge of administration and law-making to the ancient Rome. Ofcourse people like cerebrum will refute all that and claim all science and knowledge emanates from the Bible which is nothing but barbaric muck , the Old Testament ,while the Nt was just a sentimental story of a man called Jesus Christ ,who was definitely the first civilised human of jewish origin to abstain from violence and bloodletting, and their followers made him into a "god" . And further the fanatics brought extreme intolerance persecuting ,torturing and killing in the most cruel manner anyone who will not accept this man Jesus in the way the church has portrayed him. And these evangelical and proselytising fanatics wanted to convert everyone to their narrow thinking by destroying other cultures that evolved organically over centuries - for them it was "it is our way or no way". Today we see a more benign face of these churches because the europeans had reclaimed their ancient ways of freethinking and tolerance. But muslims are rabid, diseased animals that will never accept logic or reason as for them it is absolutely only their way and no other way at all.
written by duh_swami , February 13, 2012
Christianity was proclaimed the religion of the land and Europe immediately fell into the dark ages...and stayed there for 500 years...Absolute power, that of being the sole possessor of 'the truth', corrupted them absolutely...This same corruption exists today...it's form is religious supremacist bigotry...Christians pretty much dropped off the violent approach, but the corruption is still there...For slightly different reasons Islam is every bit as corrupt, every bit full of supreme bigots, but it has not dropped it's violent approach...And they cannot drop it because it is embedded in Quran and the examples of Mohammad...
written by Machmoed , February 13, 2012
Surah 19. Maryam
1. Kaf. Ha. Ya. Ain. Sad.
What does it mean? I bet no one can explain the meaning. Yet, the qur'an states many times that it is clear and understandable arabic. Clear and understandable? to who'm? Besides, if it was MUBEEN, there wouldn't be that much commentaries and tafseers would it?
1. Kaf. Ha. Ya. Ain. Sad.
What does it mean? I bet no one can explain the meaning. Yet, the qur'an states many times that it is clear and understandable arabic. Clear and understandable? to who'm? Besides, if it was MUBEEN, there wouldn't be that much commentaries and tafseers would it?
written by Cerebrum123 , February 13, 2012
There were no "Dark Ages" ,and during the time commonly called the "Dark Ages" there was actually a great amount of scientific progress. Europe actually became their best after the (I believe it was the second ,but it could have been the first) second Reformation. This is when they started looking back to the Bible ,and reading it in the way it was meant to be read i.e. history as history ,poetry as poetry etc.
vbv you never gave any source for your "violent Jews" deal only a few things that you have said. You also never gave a reference to any forced conversions by Christians(I'm not saying that this never happened ,but I certainly don't know of any instance in which it did. Also this would be something inconsistent with Christian teachings).
Also the Greek and Roman philosophers stalled the development of science for some time ,and they are at the root of the "Galileo Affair". It's because what they taught was accepted as scientific fact (much like the lie of evolution is today) that Galileo was persecuted (not even really by the Catholic Church ,but mostly by other scientists). European laws may have had some root in Roman and Greek law ,but it also had a lot to do with the Bible.
I NEVER said that ALL science and knowledge (the word science originally meant knowledge actually) ,but that we didn't develop MODERN SCIENCE until we started applying Biblical presuppositions.
Jesus proved to His disciples that He was who He claimed to be ,and He Himself claimed that He was the only way to be accepted by God.
What cultures were specifically destroyed by a Christian army? I think you are confusing Europeans (and probably Americans too) and Christians. Even if you could find this "Christian Army" you would only be demonstrating that they were being inconsistent with Christian teaching ,and not that Christianity is a source of evil as you claim. I think you should study some real Christian teachings before going on another rant.
Duh you say that Jesus didn't succeed in paying the penalty ,and you are wrong. If someone does something very hard in order to get someone a gift ,but the person refuses to accept the gift ,does that mean that the person who worked hard failed to acquire this gift(this is only a failure on the person rejecting the gift ,and not the one who offers to give it)? Jesus paid for the gift ,and offers it to everyone ,but He will not force someone to accept it. Your rejection of the gift offered is not a failure on the part of Jesus.
vbv you never gave any source for your "violent Jews" deal only a few things that you have said. You also never gave a reference to any forced conversions by Christians(I'm not saying that this never happened ,but I certainly don't know of any instance in which it did. Also this would be something inconsistent with Christian teachings).
Also the Greek and Roman philosophers stalled the development of science for some time ,and they are at the root of the "Galileo Affair". It's because what they taught was accepted as scientific fact (much like the lie of evolution is today) that Galileo was persecuted (not even really by the Catholic Church ,but mostly by other scientists). European laws may have had some root in Roman and Greek law ,but it also had a lot to do with the Bible.
I NEVER said that ALL science and knowledge (the word science originally meant knowledge actually) ,but that we didn't develop MODERN SCIENCE until we started applying Biblical presuppositions.
Jesus proved to His disciples that He was who He claimed to be ,and He Himself claimed that He was the only way to be accepted by God.
What cultures were specifically destroyed by a Christian army? I think you are confusing Europeans (and probably Americans too) and Christians. Even if you could find this "Christian Army" you would only be demonstrating that they were being inconsistent with Christian teaching ,and not that Christianity is a source of evil as you claim. I think you should study some real Christian teachings before going on another rant.
Duh you say that Jesus didn't succeed in paying the penalty ,and you are wrong. If someone does something very hard in order to get someone a gift ,but the person refuses to accept the gift ,does that mean that the person who worked hard failed to acquire this gift(this is only a failure on the person rejecting the gift ,and not the one who offers to give it)? Jesus paid for the gift ,and offers it to everyone ,but He will not force someone to accept it. Your rejection of the gift offered is not a failure on the part of Jesus.
written by duh_swami , February 13, 2012
I'm not going to read your book Cerebrum, nor your feature length articles...I told you about the two inch limit...If you can't make your point in two inches, don't bother...
written by Machmoed , February 13, 2012
If you can't make your point in two inches, don't bother...
Einstein once said or wrote: If you can't explain it simply, you didn't understand it well enough.
He was right in many things and again he is/was right about this one.
Einstein once said or wrote: If you can't explain it simply, you didn't understand it well enough.
He was right in many things and again he is/was right about this one.
written by duh_swami , February 13, 2012
Cerebrum has difficulty writing anything short...Sometimes it's part 1-2-3-4- and they are all long...I'm trying to get him to take Albert's advice...
written by rzq , February 13, 2012
".I told you about the two inch limit...If you can't make your point in two inches, don't bother..."
Is that mrs duh's rule!
We don't want to know about the Friday night fumbles in the duh household!
Is that mrs duh's rule!
We don't want to know about the Friday night fumbles in the duh household!
written by El Padrino , February 14, 2012
VBV & other hindus have been attacking christianity for years on these forums but you never deleted their comments.WHY?
written by El Padrino , February 14, 2012
Some Hindus are peaceful,tolerant & even subscribe to logic but they do so in
spite of their scriptures
There's even a group who considers themselves hindu atheists.They also do this despite their scriptures condemning atheists to death.
In short...good hindus don't read the vedas & dharma shastras & don't practice them literally.
Except for the few saffron terrorists who wish to make India a hindu state & expel and/or kill the non-hindus
spite of their scriptures
There's even a group who considers themselves hindu atheists.They also do this despite their scriptures condemning atheists to death.
In short...good hindus don't read the vedas & dharma shastras & don't practice them literally.
Except for the few saffron terrorists who wish to make India a hindu state & expel and/or kill the non-hindus
written by El Padrino , February 14, 2012
Vedic dark ages lasted for 1500 years on the sub continent.During this period the sickest of hindu atrocities were at it's peak such as child sacrifices,mass burning of witches,enslaving lower castes & keeping them illiterate,widow burning,child marriages,etc.
written by vbv , February 14, 2012
It clearly shows you are ignorant. There were no witch-hunting ,child sacrifices, etc in the ancient india. Widow burning came because of islam which used to take women of defeated people into slavery. To escape this predicament women used to self immolate on the pyres of their husbands. However this was not widely practiced , except in the northern part of India where muslims ruled the longest.These evils are borrowed from semetic cults, especially islam which came into India about 1,000 years back. Vedic age and even upto the 9th century India was known for its progressive ideas , it was probably the richest country in the world at that time. It gave Upanishads, Yoga, Ayurveda, Mathematics, philosophy,etc ,while Europe under christianity was among the most backward countries after the fall of ancient Rome, Greece, etc. You were in the dark ages then until you reclaimed the pagan thinkers of ancient Rome and Greece during the period of European history known as 'renaissance'. India was prosperous during the ancient days ,which is why it attracted plunderers and barbarians from the West and North Asia such as the Huns, Greeks( you know ofcourse Alexander the 'great'), Mongols , Muslims from Arabian peninsula, muslims from Iran, central Asia,etc down to the europeans who came since the 17th century AD. This has spanned over 2,200 years. No other nation in the world could have survived this kind of onslaught.
Why were the europeans desperately looking for sea routes to India ? Ofcourse for the spices and the fabulous riches. India got impoverished by two things - 1) Its own internal dissensions and divisions that had hundreds of small kingdoms that became an easy target for any foreign invasion and 2) To be too receptive to dubious foreign 'traders' who purportedly came with the intention of only trading hiding their ulterior motives which was for plunder.
Why were the europeans desperately looking for sea routes to India ? Ofcourse for the spices and the fabulous riches. India got impoverished by two things - 1) Its own internal dissensions and divisions that had hundreds of small kingdoms that became an easy target for any foreign invasion and 2) To be too receptive to dubious foreign 'traders' who purportedly came with the intention of only trading hiding their ulterior motives which was for plunder.
written by vbv , February 14, 2012
I have nothing against Jesus Christ personally , but I am totally against his rabid , narrowminded adherents who go about trampling and denigrating indegenous cultures and convert by dubious ways and lure of money the thousands of gullible people and make them scoff and hate their original traditions. In India ,the foreign missioneries not only converted enmasse in some states like Nagaland ,or Mizoram but also instigated them to secede from India by alienating them on the basis of their current "religion" which is christianity. They are carrying out this in certain other parts of India also, hence the opposition to christianity.
While talking of christianity, the New Testament was organised with the books that the church of that time found it useful in serving the purpose of conversion and empowering the Churches in the politics of those times. There are many writing and authors of Jesus like in the book of Judas , Mary Magdelene and other books from the Dead sea Scrolls that give adifferent perspective about Jesus, his idealogy. These were rejected by the Churches of those times. Who knows how many more scrolls would have been lost. The Church had just cherry picked only those writings that suited its purpose.
While talking of christianity, the New Testament was organised with the books that the church of that time found it useful in serving the purpose of conversion and empowering the Churches in the politics of those times. There are many writing and authors of Jesus like in the book of Judas , Mary Magdelene and other books from the Dead sea Scrolls that give adifferent perspective about Jesus, his idealogy. These were rejected by the Churches of those times. Who knows how many more scrolls would have been lost. The Church had just cherry picked only those writings that suited its purpose.
written by vbv , February 14, 2012
You christian fanatic, it is not because only some hindus are peaceful and logical. In a country that has 80% hindus , it is an insult. Hindus are always peaceful and logical unless instigated by monotheistic freaks thumping their chests and claim superiority and humiliate them and their culture. You take any islamic country, they trample on all other beliefs with impunity and arrogance. The same would be true in the west had it not been for the secular constitutions and secular laws and reliigion given no say in the affairs of the governance of the state. Hinduism is a misnomer , for what is called hinduism is not a single faith but diverse ones like saivism, vaishnavism, shaktism, advaitism, jainism,budhism, the charavakas(or the atheists),etc. They have all lived together for thousands of years and we do not care for fanatics and obfuscators like you.
written by vbv , February 14, 2012
My sympathies for you. I never for once said that Jesus was a bad man and he was personally the reason for all the attrocities that had taken place in his name. But the fact still remains that attrocities still do take place in his name. I am against the perpetrators of these attrocities . It would be illogical to hold a man who died some 2,000 years ago . Ofcourse, I cannot say the same for Muhamad who left a legacy of violence and intolerance asking his followers to carry out the pogroms that he started in his lifetime.
From your write-ups ,I can see you are a deeply "religious" man , and I would never think of hurting your sentiments ,though I cannot compromise on my way of thinking - which in any democratic setup one is entitled to have ,just as you have your perspective on the world, people ,etc. So,Peace!
From your write-ups ,I can see you are a deeply "religious" man , and I would never think of hurting your sentiments ,though I cannot compromise on my way of thinking - which in any democratic setup one is entitled to have ,just as you have your perspective on the world, people ,etc. So,Peace!
written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
If you choose to real long writings on Christian theology and beliefs, you are certainly welcome to do so...Cerebrum would be happy to write them for you...I won't read more than two inches of that stuff, but if you like it, you are welcome to it...
written by Cerebrum123 , February 14, 2012
Yes you have your right to your opinions and beliefs ,and I respect that ,but you have posted information that is blatantly false at times. I'll give an example from a post on this very page. You said that the Church "cherry picked" the documents that suited it best ,and threw the rest out. While this is popular propaganda it is entirely false. There were very distinct rules on how they officially recognized the Canon(20 of the 27 books in the NT had 0 problem ,and were already widely recognized as Scripture). Rule #1 Inspiration (this one wasn't a big factor though) Rule #2 The Rule of Faith , This one was that whatever was up for consideration had to match ALREADY ACCEPTED SCRIPTURES ,Rule #3 Apostolic Authority(this was perhaps one of the most important) , A work had to be by an Apostle or an IMMEDIATE follower of an Apostle (this one alone takes out the Gnostic "Gospels" because they are far too late to fit this category ,rule #2 also rules out the Gnostic "Gospels".) Rule #4 Church Usage , The Church already had to be widely using the document(this one takes out the Gnostic "Gospels" as well).
Also during what you called the "Dark Ages" Europe was far from backward ,and was making great strides in science ,and other areas as well. The Greek and Roman philosophers were actually a setback for scientific progress ,and are one of the key factors in the "Galileo Affair". The Greeks and Romans were NOT scientific (they did have some good advances ,but like all other cultures besides Christian Europe science was stillborn and got no further than alchemy and astrology) they would talk about how nature SHOULD work rather than find out how nature DID work.
The laws in the USA of religious tolerance actually stem from the Bible ,and are not there due to "secularism".
If you see people calling themselves Christians trying to lure people into converting by promising these 3 things ,health ,wealth ,and happiness ,then they are NOT teaching Biblical Christianity ,but what is often called the "Prosperity Gospel". I don't particularly like those guys either. They are not being honest ,and make those who do follow what the Bible actually says look bad.
Also during what you called the "Dark Ages" Europe was far from backward ,and was making great strides in science ,and other areas as well. The Greek and Roman philosophers were actually a setback for scientific progress ,and are one of the key factors in the "Galileo Affair". The Greeks and Romans were NOT scientific (they did have some good advances ,but like all other cultures besides Christian Europe science was stillborn and got no further than alchemy and astrology) they would talk about how nature SHOULD work rather than find out how nature DID work.
The laws in the USA of religious tolerance actually stem from the Bible ,and are not there due to "secularism".
If you see people calling themselves Christians trying to lure people into converting by promising these 3 things ,health ,wealth ,and happiness ,then they are NOT teaching Biblical Christianity ,but what is often called the "Prosperity Gospel". I don't particularly like those guys either. They are not being honest ,and make those who do follow what the Bible actually says look bad.
written by Cerebrum123 , February 14, 2012
You also have a tendency take even what I post on here ,and misrepresent it. Like in a previous post saying that I thought the OT was irrelevant to Christianity. This isn't the only thing that you have incorrectly posted me as saying. Another one is that you claimed that I said that all knowledge and science are found in the Bible ,and I never claimed anything resembling that. My statement was (and has been shown through historical research) that MODERN SCIENCE as we know it began when people started applying Biblical presuppositions to the natural world(I also explained what these presuppositions were ,and showed that no other culture had them). If I see you posting information that is false ,even unknowingly, I am going to call you on it ,and I would hope you would do the same for me(I think that especially on a site like this we need to be posting accurate information ,otherwise Muslims will be able to point to what we have put up that is false ,and immediately show us to be ignorant bigots). You also have a tendency to confuse European and American with Christian. These three things are NOT synonyms. In fact (especially in Europe) we are falling away from our Christian roots (those who had them anyway) ,and this is taking a dreadful toll on every facet of life over here(this includes education ,when done at a public school anyway).
written by Cerebrum123 , February 14, 2012
The earlier post addressed to you and vbv was mostly addressed to him with a few minor points to you. Most of the points for you were at the bottom. I'll summarize. "Dark Ages" was a misnomer ,and there was actually a great deal of progress (scientific and otherwise) at this time. Jesus didn't fail ,because He did pay the penalty in order for others to avoid it. It's not His fault if someone rejects this gift.
@ Machmoed
The simple explanation is rarely good enough (especially when he ignores them anyway),and not all subjects can be summarized in a few sentences (especially when the subject matter can be so varied). Also his 2 inches limiter is meaningless to me since I have no idea how big his computer screen is. I work on a small laptop (old too) ,and two inches would maybe get me a lot more space than he will actually read.
@ Machmoed
The simple explanation is rarely good enough (especially when he ignores them anyway),and not all subjects can be summarized in a few sentences (especially when the subject matter can be so varied). Also his 2 inches limiter is meaningless to me since I have no idea how big his computer screen is. I work on a small laptop (old too) ,and two inches would maybe get me a lot more space than he will actually read.
written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
Here comes part 1. to be followed by 2-3-4-5-6 & 7...I'm sorry Cerebrum but this is a comments section not a book review section...But maybe vbv is interested in long winded Christian theology and Bible study, with lots of unfounded opinion thrown in...I ran out of gas for that a while ago which I why I won't read more than two inches, usually the last two, maybe three if the first two were interesting...But generally you just say the same stuff over and over in different forms, but the same stuff just the same...
Boring is not worth more than two inches...Why are you not trying to impress Christian values on the two Muslim children who are active on the site now...I would support you in that...But you need to write short because they have a one inch attention span...
Boring is not worth more than two inches...Why are you not trying to impress Christian values on the two Muslim children who are active on the site now...I would support you in that...But you need to write short because they have a one inch attention span...
written by Machmoed , February 14, 2012
It wasn't personal cerebrum. It means nothing after all. It's the menaning the we give ourselfes to things. I posted that because Einstein is right in general but ofcourse you can't explain unexplainable things in two inches. This again sais something about us and not about God or anything like that. Everything we say or do relates to human proportions. This means that everything we have and know is from us humans.....NOT God. It's an insult to humanity and to a possible creator to think such thing. You're welcome to do so and i won't and can't deny your right.
Please give this right to everyone to choose whatever he/she thinks he/she will be happy with the choice. Condamning using and telling Jesus is the only way to God is not only wrong/childish, it's false to. That's all there is my friend!
Please give this right to everyone to choose whatever he/she thinks he/she will be happy with the choice. Condamning using and telling Jesus is the only way to God is not only wrong/childish, it's false to. That's all there is my friend!
written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
I don't think Cerebrum is a bad person...My main problem with his long explanations is that I have heard them all before...all of them...I have been around Christians all my life...
Most of them are good people, but they are every bit as stuck on their scripture as Muslims are with theirs...The Rev Hensley once said that ' Everybody knows more about it (religion) than you do, and if they get a chance they will tell you all about it'...I try not to give them too many chances...
Most of them are good people, but they are every bit as stuck on their scripture as Muslims are with theirs...The Rev Hensley once said that ' Everybody knows more about it (religion) than you do, and if they get a chance they will tell you all about it'...I try not to give them too many chances...
written by vbv , February 15, 2012
Again you are wrong. Christianity was fully entrenched in Europe by the 6th century AD. But real progress started in the field of science only after the 17th century AD. It was almost over a millenium of ignorance and church-driven theology that passed off for knowledge. At the most the church depended on Ptolemy for a Heliocentric Universe and took some scraps from Aristotle to bolster the otherwise irrational superstitions of the Bible. Tell me why there was no scientific progress during those 1,000 years of ignorance / Why were thinkers accused of 'geresy' or blasphemy and murdered ? You cannot wish away all these facts and claim anything in the name of christianity. It is like the typical muslim who claims that europe got out of the dark ages because of muslim thinkers. Muslim thinkers , my foot! These fanatical nuts only robbed the knowledge and science of their conquered pagan people and claimed it as their own. Just like how they claim the biblical patriarchs as muslims for they have nothing else to show if they do not usurp the biblical patriarchs and the myth. With only Muhamad in the Quran ,it would be a poor show of a few ( maybe twenty or thirty pages) pages of Muhamad's sexploits and plunder with the tacit approval of that fake deity called Allah. You are always in a state of denial even when truth stares at you . You have no pride in your ancient culture that predates the advent of christianity,which after all is a desert cult of west Asia. Such is the state of your mind that the poison of this desrt=cult has blinded you to abjectly submit to it ,typically like a muslim who says that before islam came it was all "jahilya" : this is common even to muslims of India, Pakistan, Egypt ,Iran, Iraq ,etc. They are poisoned to the extent of hating their own culture in deference to the arabs ,whom they see as their gateway to "civilisation". Such is the poison of monotheism ,especially the desert cults of judaism,christianity and islam.
written by Cerebrum123 , February 15, 2012
I wasn't taking it personally ,I was just trying to explain that some things can't be explained in a single paragraph (especially when I have to deal with multiple topics in a single post). When I can do things in a short post ,I definitely try to do so.
As far as claiming Jesus is the only way ,this is NOT my claim ,but that of Jesus Himself. Is telling other people what Jesus claimed about Himself wrong or childish? I happen to believe His claims to be true. If they are true ,then I would be doing you a terrible wrong by NOT telling you about them wouldn't I?
As far as claiming Jesus is the only way ,this is NOT my claim ,but that of Jesus Himself. Is telling other people what Jesus claimed about Himself wrong or childish? I happen to believe His claims to be true. If they are true ,then I would be doing you a terrible wrong by NOT telling you about them wouldn't I?
written by Cerebrum123 , February 15, 2012
Advance warning to Duh this is a long one due to a large amount of subjects.
You are partially correct ,but you have some of your data wrong again. The GREATEST scientific advances didn't happen until around the 17th century ,but during the wrongly labelled "Dark Ages" there was some real advances as well. I will list a few here. Windmills ,waterwheels ,spectacles ,the blast furnace ,the stirrup etc.
Yes the Catholic Church DID depend on Ptolemy ,and Aristotle (there is nothing in the works of these men that I know of that would "bolster the otherwise irrational belief in the Bible". You have also only assumed it irrational to believe the Bible ,and not proved it) ,and they did so to their own (and our own) disadvantage. They relied on it so much that it became as trusted as the Bible itself (especially by the "scientists" of the day) ,and this is what led to the incident with Galileo.
I would like a reference to an incident where anyone was executed for scientific ideas. As for the "heretics" ,I'm guessing you are going on about the Inquisitions again. The death penalty was actually very rare(they DID make mistakes ,but so does any other secular government) ,and was only done to the most hard core adherents to the heresy in question (The Cathar heresy in the Inquisition). These people were trying to overthrow the only real governing body at the time ,and they were essentially traitors. Most of them were simply exiled ,and their possessions confiscated. In fact they could be let go for a simply recanting(the Cathars believed that the Church was sent by the devil).
The really great progress in science was actually due to a return to scripture ,and not due to a rejection of it. In all other cultures scientific progress was stillborn due to their inherent presuppositions. I believe it was the Greeks that believed that there was no real testable pattern in the natural world ,and was therefore impossible to understand(this stemmed from what they believed about their gods).
I actually find the different cultures fascinating ,and that there are some things that they learned that should be preserved. I don't hate previous cultures. I think that they have a lot that we can learn from ,both from their progress ,and their mistakes.Do you think we should hold on to things like human sacrifice? What about torturing our bodies (cutting ourselves and other practices) in order to have a spiritual experience?
You are partially correct ,but you have some of your data wrong again. The GREATEST scientific advances didn't happen until around the 17th century ,but during the wrongly labelled "Dark Ages" there was some real advances as well. I will list a few here. Windmills ,waterwheels ,spectacles ,the blast furnace ,the stirrup etc.
Yes the Catholic Church DID depend on Ptolemy ,and Aristotle (there is nothing in the works of these men that I know of that would "bolster the otherwise irrational belief in the Bible". You have also only assumed it irrational to believe the Bible ,and not proved it) ,and they did so to their own (and our own) disadvantage. They relied on it so much that it became as trusted as the Bible itself (especially by the "scientists" of the day) ,and this is what led to the incident with Galileo.
I would like a reference to an incident where anyone was executed for scientific ideas. As for the "heretics" ,I'm guessing you are going on about the Inquisitions again. The death penalty was actually very rare(they DID make mistakes ,but so does any other secular government) ,and was only done to the most hard core adherents to the heresy in question (The Cathar heresy in the Inquisition). These people were trying to overthrow the only real governing body at the time ,and they were essentially traitors. Most of them were simply exiled ,and their possessions confiscated. In fact they could be let go for a simply recanting(the Cathars believed that the Church was sent by the devil).
The really great progress in science was actually due to a return to scripture ,and not due to a rejection of it. In all other cultures scientific progress was stillborn due to their inherent presuppositions. I believe it was the Greeks that believed that there was no real testable pattern in the natural world ,and was therefore impossible to understand(this stemmed from what they believed about their gods).
I actually find the different cultures fascinating ,and that there are some things that they learned that should be preserved. I don't hate previous cultures. I think that they have a lot that we can learn from ,both from their progress ,and their mistakes.Do you think we should hold on to things like human sacrifice? What about torturing our bodies (cutting ourselves and other practices) in order to have a spiritual experience?
written by Cerebrum123 , February 15, 2012
Actually a lot of my posts addressed to you have been about history ,science ,and occasionally your "symbolism". The problem is you won't look at ANY evidence I show you for any topic. You immediately think that you know more than I do on any subject(and there are definitely topics in which you have the advantage). My main problem with you is that you avoid defending your own points ,and rely on logical fallacies (mostly appeal to majority ,appeal to emotion ,and ad hominem) in order to try and make yourself look like you are right. Why is it that it is ok for you to do these things ,but anyone else who does it is ignorant?
written by duh_swami , February 15, 2012
You are just redundant and egotistical, why do you think it is your job to instruct me in history, science or symbolism...You have a corner on this information? You can't comprehend the symbolism even when it is explained to you, that is your failure to comprehend, not mine...The only hard facts you accept, are the ones that you can accept, only if they are in the Bible...Why should I look at your information when I know ahead of time, it is just more of your stuff, that I already disagree with in part...I'm not going to waste more time doing that...I was not born yesterday and there is little you can teach me...One thing I don't understand is why you are on Islam-Watch trying to convince kuffar, about Bible and Christianity when you know enough about Islam to speak to Muslims...There are a couple of young confused Muslims actively posting, where are you?
written by Machmoed , February 15, 2012
As far as claiming Jesus is the only way ,this is NOT my claim ,but that of Jesus Himself.
That's my point...according to the bible Jesus said that. But i don't believe the Bible to be accurate and historical especially when it's about Jesus and those miracles. It's better to use something we agree on it's an authority wich the bible is not nor Qur'an for that matter. To me quoting from the Bible is the same as quoting from just an other literature book. Just that.
That's my point...according to the bible Jesus said that. But i don't believe the Bible to be accurate and historical especially when it's about Jesus and those miracles. It's better to use something we agree on it's an authority wich the bible is not nor Qur'an for that matter. To me quoting from the Bible is the same as quoting from just an other literature book. Just that.
written by Yibel , February 15, 2012
Qur'an Surah 19. Maryam fits the bill nicely!
1. Kaf. Ha. Ya. Ain. Sad. (Meaningless jibberish!)
Verses 1-15:
The story of the birth of John. Totally made up by Muhammad!
And only very loosely based on the NT book The Gospel According to Luke. Zachariah praying for a son is a fanciful creation of Muhammad. Praying for a son to inherit makes no sense because Zachariah, a Levite, was a priest in the temple to YHVH in Jerusalem and had no inheritance to leave. Zachariah and his wife Elizabeth did have a son in their old age (named John) who became a prophet like the ancient Israelite prophet Elias; however it is unlikely that he ever married or had children because he was a Nazarene according to the NT which was written several hundred years before the Qur'an.
Qur'an 19:15 reads: Peace on him the day be was born, and the day he dieth and the day he shall be raised alive!
This passage is ridiculous! John was beheaded!! Not a very peaceful way to go!!! John was killed by a son of Herod, the Great, an Idumean that John spoke out against because he was committing adultry with his brother's wife against the laws of the land that, as king, he was supposed to uphold.
1. Kaf. Ha. Ya. Ain. Sad. (Meaningless jibberish!)
Verses 1-15:
The story of the birth of John. Totally made up by Muhammad!
And only very loosely based on the NT book The Gospel According to Luke. Zachariah praying for a son is a fanciful creation of Muhammad. Praying for a son to inherit makes no sense because Zachariah, a Levite, was a priest in the temple to YHVH in Jerusalem and had no inheritance to leave. Zachariah and his wife Elizabeth did have a son in their old age (named John) who became a prophet like the ancient Israelite prophet Elias; however it is unlikely that he ever married or had children because he was a Nazarene according to the NT which was written several hundred years before the Qur'an.
Qur'an 19:15 reads: Peace on him the day be was born, and the day he dieth and the day he shall be raised alive!
This passage is ridiculous! John was beheaded!! Not a very peaceful way to go!!! John was killed by a son of Herod, the Great, an Idumean that John spoke out against because he was committing adultry with his brother's wife against the laws of the land that, as king, he was supposed to uphold.
written by Yibel , February 15, 2012
The birth of Isa from surat 19
23. And the pangs of childbirth drove her unto the trunk of the palm tree. She said: Oh, would that I had died ere this and had become a thing of naught, forgotten!
24. Then (one) cried unto her from below her, saying: Grieve not! Thy Lord hath placed a rivulet beneath thee,
25. And shake the trunk of the palm tree toward thee, thou wilt cause ripe dates to fall upon thee.
The above describes is based on the birth myth of Queen Maya retreating to Lumbini to give birth to Prince Siddharta Gautama, the Buddha or Enlightened One.
The details of this legendary account coincide exactly with the existing Indian mythology of fertility goddesses, Salabhanjikas,
"breaking a branch of a Sala tree", often depicted standing against trees with one leg bent up and one hand holding a branch. They are believed to be virginal and capable of making a tree bear flowers and fruit.
23. And the pangs of childbirth drove her unto the trunk of the palm tree. She said: Oh, would that I had died ere this and had become a thing of naught, forgotten!
24. Then (one) cried unto her from below her, saying: Grieve not! Thy Lord hath placed a rivulet beneath thee,
25. And shake the trunk of the palm tree toward thee, thou wilt cause ripe dates to fall upon thee.
The above describes is based on the birth myth of Queen Maya retreating to Lumbini to give birth to Prince Siddharta Gautama, the Buddha or Enlightened One.
The details of this legendary account coincide exactly with the existing Indian mythology of fertility goddesses, Salabhanjikas,
"breaking a branch of a Sala tree", often depicted standing against trees with one leg bent up and one hand holding a branch. They are believed to be virginal and capable of making a tree bear flowers and fruit.
written by Yibel , February 15, 2012
In Qur'an Surah 19, Maryam, the name Allah is not mentioned even one time. Instead the god that Muhammad invoked was Ar-Rahman, The Thunder God of southern Arabia.
His name alone appears in the following passages: 19:18, 19:26, 19:44, 19:45, 19:58, 19:61, 19:69, 19:75, 19:78, 19:85, 19:87, 19:88, 19:91, 19:92, 19:93, 19:96) translated as the Beneficent in the version quoted above.
Rahman was referred to as the Merciful One, the Lord of Mercy, and the Beneficent because thunder preceded the monsoon rains that filled the reservoirs in the mountains of Yemen for irrigation of the fertile fields. Therefore, the coming of the rains was considered a Mercy.
Surah 19 was one of Muhammad's Makkah sermons. Muhammad spoke this revelation in order to enlist the refugee Christian Yemeni into his new religion. The King of Yemen had
converted to Judaism and was forcing his subjects to convert as well. When the Christians refused to convert, he attacked them and this presecution included burning some of them alive in a trench. (This event is also referred to in the Qur'an.)
The name of Ar-Rahman (NOT Allah) appears in twelve Makkah Suras 47 times, in the very early Madinah Surahs 3 times. It also appears at the start of every Surah except Muhammad's last - Surah 9).
Al-Rahman is also the god of Islam in the following passages:
1:1, 1:3, 2:163, 13:30, 17:110, 20:5, 20:90, 20:108-109, 21:26, 21:36, 21:42, 21:112, 25:26, 25:59, 25:60, 25:60, 25:63, 25:63, 26:5, 27:30, 36:11, 36:15, 36:23, 36:52, 41:1, 43:17, 43:19-20, 43:33, 43:36, 43:45, 43:81, 50:33, 55:1, 59:22, 67:3, 67:19-20, 67:29, 78:37-38.
His name alone appears in the following passages: 19:18, 19:26, 19:44, 19:45, 19:58, 19:61, 19:69, 19:75, 19:78, 19:85, 19:87, 19:88, 19:91, 19:92, 19:93, 19:96) translated as the Beneficent in the version quoted above.
Rahman was referred to as the Merciful One, the Lord of Mercy, and the Beneficent because thunder preceded the monsoon rains that filled the reservoirs in the mountains of Yemen for irrigation of the fertile fields. Therefore, the coming of the rains was considered a Mercy.
Surah 19 was one of Muhammad's Makkah sermons. Muhammad spoke this revelation in order to enlist the refugee Christian Yemeni into his new religion. The King of Yemen had
converted to Judaism and was forcing his subjects to convert as well. When the Christians refused to convert, he attacked them and this presecution included burning some of them alive in a trench. (This event is also referred to in the Qur'an.)
The name of Ar-Rahman (NOT Allah) appears in twelve Makkah Suras 47 times, in the very early Madinah Surahs 3 times. It also appears at the start of every Surah except Muhammad's last - Surah 9).
Al-Rahman is also the god of Islam in the following passages:
1:1, 1:3, 2:163, 13:30, 17:110, 20:5, 20:90, 20:108-109, 21:26, 21:36, 21:42, 21:112, 25:26, 25:59, 25:60, 25:60, 25:63, 25:63, 26:5, 27:30, 36:11, 36:15, 36:23, 36:52, 41:1, 43:17, 43:19-20, 43:33, 43:36, 43:45, 43:81, 50:33, 55:1, 59:22, 67:3, 67:19-20, 67:29, 78:37-38.
written by vbv , February 16, 2012
It is a fact that all scientific advances took place only from the 17th century onwards ,which even you cannot deny , as the facts are there for everyone to see. The church was wrong on all matters. They supported the "divine rights" of the kings and fuedal lords. They took sides with one royalty or the other based on what suited them. The inquisition is not political but "religious" since science was questioning the biblical cosmology, biblical 'creation' and other such irrationalities. Without the cosmolgy of Ptolemy or the wisdom of Aristotle and other greeks the theology of christianity was bankrupt without any good philosophy or intellect.The clergy saw that the influence of church waning with the progress of knowledge. While democracy greatly reduced their influence in politics later on. Today the church cannot influence any policy matters other than those affecting their financial interests and their autonomy.
Only charlatans flourish in the name of christianity. Like Benny Hinn who claims to cure everyone of the most dreadful diseases and physical disabilities with the 'power ' of christ ,while he himself goes around with qualified doctors to attend on him wherever he goes. There are many such charlatans in the USA which has given opportunities even for the socalled indian gurus to mint money in the USA with their halfbaked knowledge of spirituality and yoga.Spirituality is not a fanatical belief in a monstrous monotheistic deity but to appreciate and comprehend the beauty and magnificence of Nature, people, this cosmos as it is without looking for a spook with a bad and vicious temperment like Allah or Yahweh/Jehova.
Only charlatans flourish in the name of christianity. Like Benny Hinn who claims to cure everyone of the most dreadful diseases and physical disabilities with the 'power ' of christ ,while he himself goes around with qualified doctors to attend on him wherever he goes. There are many such charlatans in the USA which has given opportunities even for the socalled indian gurus to mint money in the USA with their halfbaked knowledge of spirituality and yoga.Spirituality is not a fanatical belief in a monstrous monotheistic deity but to appreciate and comprehend the beauty and magnificence of Nature, people, this cosmos as it is without looking for a spook with a bad and vicious temperment like Allah or Yahweh/Jehova.
written by Machmoed , February 16, 2012
Spirituality is not a fanatical belief in a monstrous monotheistic deity but to appreciate and comprehend the beauty and magnificence of Nature, people, this cosmos as it is without looking for a spook with a bad and vicious temperment like Allah or Yahweh/Jehova.
True, spirituality has nothing to do with religion or believing in Christ/the bible/Muhammad/qur'an. These are elements that show that there is no spirituality. Religionists miss the point completely. They use a method (religion) to get nearer to God/Allah but think/believe the system is God/Allah. This is the root of evil when it comes to religions.
I heard muslims often say christians believe in a other God beside Allah. This can't be since they both believe there is only one God/Allah. So again, it's the system they believe in and confuse it with God/Allah/Creator by claiming it's His way.
True, spirituality has nothing to do with religion or believing in Christ/the bible/Muhammad/qur'an. These are elements that show that there is no spirituality. Religionists miss the point completely. They use a method (religion) to get nearer to God/Allah but think/believe the system is God/Allah. This is the root of evil when it comes to religions.
I heard muslims often say christians believe in a other God beside Allah. This can't be since they both believe there is only one God/Allah. So again, it's the system they believe in and confuse it with God/Allah/Creator by claiming it's His way.
written by Craig , February 17, 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2ibkcHw4ko Listen to this
written by Cerebrum123 , February 17, 2012
Actually some of the scientific evidence I have given you has been from your own scientists (you basically said that the only "qualified" scientists were evolutionists,although this is not verbatim). Also most of my stuff has been in response to false information you or others have posted. Take above vbv's statement that there was NO scientific progress before the 17th century. This comment among others is a huge reason I post on here. Also the symbolism can't be comprehended by ANYONE because all of the points are either irrelevant ,meaningless ,or (my favorite) NON-EXISTENT.
As for posting to those confused young Muslims ,I guess I just haven't read the articles they have posted on. I have been kind of busy responding to certain misinformation.
As for posting to those confused young Muslims ,I guess I just haven't read the articles they have posted on. I have been kind of busy responding to certain misinformation.
written by Cerebrum123 , February 17, 2012
So those accomplishments I listed don't count as scientific advances? Wind power ,and water power are still being used to this day ,and no one has a problem with that. What about spectacles? The blast furnace was the kind of thing that probably helped lead to better ways of tempering iron or steel. The stirrup isn't as fancy as a telescope (which I believe was also invented before the 17th century ,but I could be wrong). Also you claim that the ancient Greeks and Romans were the source of the scientific advances ,but somehow they had no scientific advances of their own?
I think you need to do some real research before you go on another rant.
Your Inquisition information is equally flawed. It had to do with the "Cathar Heresy" ,and WAS a political deal. The only body of law and order at the time was the Church. The Cathars were NOT scientists ,and simply thought that the Church was an invention of the devil. They were traitors ,and terrorists trying to bring the only governing body at the time down. There were NO instances of anyone being burned for "scientific" ideas. You seem to think that secular governments have no blood on their hands (there have been innocent people found guilty in ALL governments ,and sometimes it wasn't just a mistake). Maybe you should do some real historical research next time.
As for this Benny Hinn ,I don't know much about him ,but of what I do know he does sound like a charlatan(usually people claiming things like this are this way. If you see someone like him asking for money to heal you then the guy is probably a fraud ,and if they are preaching things like "if you become a Christian you will automatically be healthy ,wealthy ,and happy" then they are likely frauds too). I never said that there weren't any Christian pastors or leaders that don't take advantage of people ,but they are NOT following Christian teachings. You need to learn to separate an individual's failings to match up to what the profess to believe ,and what the actual teachings are themselves.
You claim that YHWH is a vicious God ,how about some real references rather than an accusation.
I think you need to do some real research before you go on another rant.
Your Inquisition information is equally flawed. It had to do with the "Cathar Heresy" ,and WAS a political deal. The only body of law and order at the time was the Church. The Cathars were NOT scientists ,and simply thought that the Church was an invention of the devil. They were traitors ,and terrorists trying to bring the only governing body at the time down. There were NO instances of anyone being burned for "scientific" ideas. You seem to think that secular governments have no blood on their hands (there have been innocent people found guilty in ALL governments ,and sometimes it wasn't just a mistake). Maybe you should do some real historical research next time.
As for this Benny Hinn ,I don't know much about him ,but of what I do know he does sound like a charlatan(usually people claiming things like this are this way. If you see someone like him asking for money to heal you then the guy is probably a fraud ,and if they are preaching things like "if you become a Christian you will automatically be healthy ,wealthy ,and happy" then they are likely frauds too). I never said that there weren't any Christian pastors or leaders that don't take advantage of people ,but they are NOT following Christian teachings. You need to learn to separate an individual's failings to match up to what the profess to believe ,and what the actual teachings are themselves.
You claim that YHWH is a vicious God ,how about some real references rather than an accusation.
written by Cerebrum123 , February 17, 2012
There are reasons for accepting the Bible as historically accurate ,and the Gospels as being eyewitness accounts (2 of the four are ,the other 2 are by people who were writing with knowledge they got from eyewitnesses.) I have done my homework ,and I personally experiencing several ,don't have an anti-miracle bias. Historical research shows the Gospels to be accurate on the things most people will agree can happen ,and if a source is trustworthy on what is believable ,then why not something that is a little harder to believe? Also the simple fact that Christianity is even around at all tells us something about the claims in the NT. I would like you to read an article called "The Impossible Faith". It's at a website called tektonics.org (when I try to post a link my posts are usually eaten ,but if you simply use their search for the title of the article it shouldn't be hard to find. If that doesn't work google the article name ,and then the word tektonics). This article shows why Christianity never would have gotten off the ground if it didn't have it's foundation based upon real historical events. The site also has articles that show the Gospels to not only be historically reliable on the events that are probable ,but the miracle events as well(I don't agree with all the beliefs on that site ,but when it comes to historical information they are a really good source).
@ Duh
Not accepting an argument simply because it comes from a certain person is known as the "Genetic Fallacy". Also just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean that the information I post comes from a source that is unreliable.Also I don't reject everything that's from outside the Bible. Maybe I am redundant ,but I don't think egotistical applies. I do my research ,and put up my posts accordingly ,and only usually when I see information that is false posted as if it's true. Just because I'm willing to do research ,and make sure what I say is accurate (to the best of my ability) doesn't make me egotistical.
@ Duh
Not accepting an argument simply because it comes from a certain person is known as the "Genetic Fallacy". Also just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean that the information I post comes from a source that is unreliable.Also I don't reject everything that's from outside the Bible. Maybe I am redundant ,but I don't think egotistical applies. I do my research ,and put up my posts accordingly ,and only usually when I see information that is false posted as if it's true. Just because I'm willing to do research ,and make sure what I say is accurate (to the best of my ability) doesn't make me egotistical.
written by Cerebrum123 , February 17, 2012
This is probably obvious ,but I needed to put the word miracles after "I personally experiencing several".
written by then lie , February 17, 2012
Surah 1, THE OPENING
1. In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
2. Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds,
3. The Beneficent, the Merciful.
4. Owner of the Day of Judgment,
5. Thee (alone) we worship; Thee alone we ask for help.
6. Show us the straight path,
7. The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not (the path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who
astray.
1. In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
2. Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds,
3. The Beneficent, the Merciful.
4. Owner of the Day of Judgment,
5. Thee (alone) we worship; Thee alone we ask for help.
6. Show us the straight path,
7. The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not (the path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who
astray.
written by then lie , February 17, 2012
Surah 72. Al-Jinn
1. Say (O Muhammad): It is revealed unto me that a company of the Jinn gave ear, and they said: Lo! it is a marvellous
Qur’an,
2. Which guideth unto righteousness, so we believe in it and we ascribe unto our Lord no partner.
3. And (we believe) that He, exalted be the glory of our Lord! hath taken neither wife nor son,
4. And that the foolish one among us used to speak concerning Allah an atrocious lie.
5. And lo! we had supposed that humankind and jinn would not speak a lie concerning Allah
6. And indeed (O Muhammad) individuals of humankind used to invoke the protection of individuals of the jinn so that
they increased them in revolt (against Allah);
7. And indeed they supposed, even as ye suppose, that Allah would not raise anyone (from the dead)
8. And (the Jinn who had listened to the Qur’an said): We had sought the heaven but had found it filled with strong
warders and meteors.
9. And we used to sit on places (high) therein to listen. But he who listened now findeth a flame in wait for him;
10. And we know not whether harm is boded unto all who are in the earth, or whether their Lord intendeth guidance for
them.
11. And among us there are righteous folk and among us there are far from that. We are sects having different rules.
12. And we know that we cannot escape from Allah in the earth, nor can we escape by flight.
13. And when we heard the guidance, we believed therein, and whoso believeth in his Lord, he feareth neither loss nor
oppression.
14. And there are among us some who have surrendered (to Allah) and there are among us some who are unjust. And
whoso hath surrendered to Allah, such have taken the right path purposefully.
15. And as for those who are unjust, they are firewood for hell.
16. If they (the idolaters) tread the right path, We shall give them to drink of water in abundance
17. That We may test them thereby, and whoso turneth away from the remembrance of his Lord; He will thrust him into
ever growing torment.
18. And the places of worship are only for Allah, so pray not unto anyone along with Allah.
19. And when the slave of Allah stood up in prayer to Him, they crowded on him, almost stifling.'
20. Say (unto them, O Muhammad): I pray unto Allah only, and ascribe unto Him no partner.
1. Say (O Muhammad): It is revealed unto me that a company of the Jinn gave ear, and they said: Lo! it is a marvellous
Qur’an,
2. Which guideth unto righteousness, so we believe in it and we ascribe unto our Lord no partner.
3. And (we believe) that He, exalted be the glory of our Lord! hath taken neither wife nor son,
4. And that the foolish one among us used to speak concerning Allah an atrocious lie.
5. And lo! we had supposed that humankind and jinn would not speak a lie concerning Allah
6. And indeed (O Muhammad) individuals of humankind used to invoke the protection of individuals of the jinn so that
they increased them in revolt (against Allah);
7. And indeed they supposed, even as ye suppose, that Allah would not raise anyone (from the dead)
8. And (the Jinn who had listened to the Qur’an said): We had sought the heaven but had found it filled with strong
warders and meteors.
9. And we used to sit on places (high) therein to listen. But he who listened now findeth a flame in wait for him;
10. And we know not whether harm is boded unto all who are in the earth, or whether their Lord intendeth guidance for
them.
11. And among us there are righteous folk and among us there are far from that. We are sects having different rules.
12. And we know that we cannot escape from Allah in the earth, nor can we escape by flight.
13. And when we heard the guidance, we believed therein, and whoso believeth in his Lord, he feareth neither loss nor
oppression.
14. And there are among us some who have surrendered (to Allah) and there are among us some who are unjust. And
whoso hath surrendered to Allah, such have taken the right path purposefully.
15. And as for those who are unjust, they are firewood for hell.
16. If they (the idolaters) tread the right path, We shall give them to drink of water in abundance
17. That We may test them thereby, and whoso turneth away from the remembrance of his Lord; He will thrust him into
ever growing torment.
18. And the places of worship are only for Allah, so pray not unto anyone along with Allah.
19. And when the slave of Allah stood up in prayer to Him, they crowded on him, almost stifling.'
20. Say (unto them, O Muhammad): I pray unto Allah only, and ascribe unto Him no partner.
written by then lie , February 17, 2012
21. Say: Lo! I control not hurt nor benefit for you.
22. Say: Lo! none can protect me from Allah, nor can I find any refuge beside Him
23. (Mine is) but conveyance (of the truth) from Allah, and His messages; and whoso disobeyeth Allah and His
messenger, lo! his is fire of hell, wherein such dwell forever.
24. Till (the day) when they shall behold that which they are promised (they may doubt); but then they will know for
certain) who is weaker in allies and less in multitude.
25. Say (O Muhammad, unto the disbelievers): I know not whether that which ye are promised is nigh, or if my Lord
hath set a distant term for it.
26. (He is) the knower of the Unseen, and He revealeth unto none His secret,
27. Save unto every messenger whom he hath chosen, and then He maketh a guard to go before him and a guard behind
him
28. That He may know that they have indeed conveyed the messages of their Lord. He surroundeth all their doings, and
He keepeth count of all things
22. Say: Lo! none can protect me from Allah, nor can I find any refuge beside Him
23. (Mine is) but conveyance (of the truth) from Allah, and His messages; and whoso disobeyeth Allah and His
messenger, lo! his is fire of hell, wherein such dwell forever.
24. Till (the day) when they shall behold that which they are promised (they may doubt); but then they will know for
certain) who is weaker in allies and less in multitude.
25. Say (O Muhammad, unto the disbelievers): I know not whether that which ye are promised is nigh, or if my Lord
hath set a distant term for it.
26. (He is) the knower of the Unseen, and He revealeth unto none His secret,
27. Save unto every messenger whom he hath chosen, and then He maketh a guard to go before him and a guard behind
him
28. That He may know that they have indeed conveyed the messages of their Lord. He surroundeth all their doings, and
He keepeth count of all things
written by duh_swami , February 17, 2012
Your argument is with established science, not me...I never said that 'everything' you said was wrong...But you are not going to convince me that there really is a man on the moon either...You are pushing unproven and speculative paradigms as reality...I don't see any point in all your research...Have you seen the movie 'Siddhartha'? It is your story in a different time and age, but I see you in it...Eventually you will reach Siddhartha's revelation that comes at the end of the film...If you go to the trouble of finding and viewing it, you too will see yourself...Everyone seeing it does...It's also a pretty good movie on several levels...Im looking forward to you engaging irz and M&P about the glories of the Bible and Christianity...It is you Christian duty to do so isn't it?
written by Cerebrum123 , February 17, 2012
Evolution is not established science ,but exactly what you accuse me of pushing on you "unproven and speculative paradigms". Evolution is NOT science ,it never has been and never will be. It fails the criteria of empirical science. It needs to be testable ,reproducible ,and observable. Evolution has none of these characteristics. It is pseudoscience.
I do research ,because I want to make sure that I am giving accurate data ,and that is something that matters. When you have had claims that I find very hard to believe ,I do at least give you some benefit of the doubt ,and look to see if what you say matches reality. I have been trying to provide evidence that while it can't PROVE the Bible ,it certainly can show that the world we live in is consistent with what the Bible says.
I have not seen this particular movie. I'm more of a sci-fi type person when it comes to movies.
I have not seen any of the posts by those 2 people ,because I have not been reading all of the articles on this site. When I do come across them I probably will have something to say.
I do research ,because I want to make sure that I am giving accurate data ,and that is something that matters. When you have had claims that I find very hard to believe ,I do at least give you some benefit of the doubt ,and look to see if what you say matches reality. I have been trying to provide evidence that while it can't PROVE the Bible ,it certainly can show that the world we live in is consistent with what the Bible says.
I have not seen this particular movie. I'm more of a sci-fi type person when it comes to movies.
I have not seen any of the posts by those 2 people ,because I have not been reading all of the articles on this site. When I do come across them I probably will have something to say.
written by duh_swami , February 17, 2012
More denial...Have it your way, it does not prove anything, evolution and the age of rocks are not the same thing...You have overlapped arguments and can't separate them...You just go right ahead and believe what ever you want, it does not change reality one iota...
written by duh_swami , February 17, 2012
By the way, when are you going to preach to the resident Muslims? Why are you ignoring them? Don't they deserve Jesus?
written by Bingo , February 17, 2012
Mr/Ms. Cerebrum, compared to Indian religions all middle eastern religions are toddlers. You keep proclaiming that Jesus is d only savior, which is absurd. And more absurd is your dwarfed claim that earth is around 6000 year old. And you try to prove that C dating n other techniques are inaccurate. What a joke mate! If u go like this you might one day become a bearded Mullah
written by Dwito , February 17, 2012
Pl ask that ingenious man to prove the falsehood of science, scientifically. He would be our next Nobel prize loner.
written by vbv , February 18, 2012
Making implements from copper,bronze, and iron predates the Bible by centuries. You cannot ascribe anything to the Bible . People in ancient Sumeria, Egypt, Babylon, Assyria, Persia, India, China,etc created amny implements for daily use, as well as for wars,well before Yahweh/Jehovah could open his foul mouth.
Evolution is not an established science ,you say with a holy pout. Then what is established science to you ? Biblical book of 'Genesis' ? That is the dumbest thing any sane man living in the 21st. century could ever say. Only an insane bigot could believe in such a muck as the story of "creation " in the "genesis". Now it is clear why there was "dark ages" during the height of christendom. With people branded as 'heretics' and tortured and burnt to death in the most horrendous manner. You certainly belong to the "Dark Ages".
Evolution is not an established science ,you say with a holy pout. Then what is established science to you ? Biblical book of 'Genesis' ? That is the dumbest thing any sane man living in the 21st. century could ever say. Only an insane bigot could believe in such a muck as the story of "creation " in the "genesis". Now it is clear why there was "dark ages" during the height of christendom. With people branded as 'heretics' and tortured and burnt to death in the most horrendous manner. You certainly belong to the "Dark Ages".
written by vbv , February 18, 2012
You say blast furnace was invented before the 17th century. Next you may even say that electricity was discovered in the 13th century !!! Hahahahahahahaha !!!!
Not only the greeks , romans, but also egyptians , chinese , indians, persians, mayans, the ancient peruvians were scientifically advanced ,when the followers of Yahweh were yet to come. The Church architecture is of greecian and roman origin, even the romans were responsible to the organisation of the church ( Paul was a roman) and its administration. Otherwise it was just a ragtag of some few adherents wandering in vain.
Yahweh is a vicious , self-centred, self-loving, megalomanaical ,narcissistic lonely spook. Read the Old Testament, book of Genesis, Duetronomy , for instance. This spook comes out as a tyrannical nut in the mould of Hitler,Stalin, Geghis KJhan, Saddam Hussain, PolPot, Maoo Tsetung et al all rolled into one. And yet he is "merciful" says the bible . What a contrast and contrradiction.
Not only the greeks , romans, but also egyptians , chinese , indians, persians, mayans, the ancient peruvians were scientifically advanced ,when the followers of Yahweh were yet to come. The Church architecture is of greecian and roman origin, even the romans were responsible to the organisation of the church ( Paul was a roman) and its administration. Otherwise it was just a ragtag of some few adherents wandering in vain.
Yahweh is a vicious , self-centred, self-loving, megalomanaical ,narcissistic lonely spook. Read the Old Testament, book of Genesis, Duetronomy , for instance. This spook comes out as a tyrannical nut in the mould of Hitler,Stalin, Geghis KJhan, Saddam Hussain, PolPot, Maoo Tsetung et al all rolled into one. And yet he is "merciful" says the bible . What a contrast and contrradiction.
written by duh_swami , February 18, 2012
As far as I am concerned, the Bible has a few gems of wisdom, but you could condense them down to about a page and a half, maybe less...The rest of the book is irrelevant, and it does not matter if you read it or not...and even if you don't read those few good pages, you will survive just fine...The Quran has a few gems of wisdom also but only the mentally deranged and fragmented can comprehend them...For some reason as yet unknown to mental science, belief in Allah does not relieve the mentally fragmented from their fragmentation...
written by Cerebrum123 , February 18, 2012
Actually they have found rather ancient devices that appear to be some form of electrical battery(this is still speculation ,but it appears that these devices may have been used for either electroplating ,acupuncture ,or some kind of "religious experience"). It's called either the "Baghdad Battery" or the "Parthian Battery". As for the blast furnace even China had an early version before the so called "Dark Ages". You are correct that making iron ,bronze ,and copper predate the Bible. My point was that they could use the blast furnace to heat them in better ways in order to have a stronger finished product.
You seem to think that Christians were the only ones to ever torture or burn people to death ,and have some sort of obsession with the Inquisition (which has been extremely exaggerated to the point of death tolls reaching beyond the total population of the affected areas at times). This also wasn't a common practice either.
Paul was a Roman citizen ,but he was actually a Jew. You need to get your facts straight.
I never claimed that Genesis was accepted science. Perhaps I should word my phrase about evolution better. It is not empirical science (it has not been established as fact ,and it can't be proven). Evolution can't be proven any more than the Genesis account can. Neither one can be repeated ,tested ,or observed today. Most scientists will claim evolution has been proven ,but this is false.
I would like an instance of God being "tyrannical".
You seem to think that Christians were the only ones to ever torture or burn people to death ,and have some sort of obsession with the Inquisition (which has been extremely exaggerated to the point of death tolls reaching beyond the total population of the affected areas at times). This also wasn't a common practice either.
Paul was a Roman citizen ,but he was actually a Jew. You need to get your facts straight.
I never claimed that Genesis was accepted science. Perhaps I should word my phrase about evolution better. It is not empirical science (it has not been established as fact ,and it can't be proven). Evolution can't be proven any more than the Genesis account can. Neither one can be repeated ,tested ,or observed today. Most scientists will claim evolution has been proven ,but this is false.
I would like an instance of God being "tyrannical".
written by Cerebrum123 , February 18, 2012
Evolution ,and the supposed ages of those rocks are interrelated. Evolution DEPENDS on millions of years in order to survive as a valid theory. I pointed out to you WHY the dates assigned to those rocks are wrong. It all has to do with the assumptions ,and axioms behind the experiments. ALL current methods of measuring the age of rocks are plagued by unprovable ,and sometimes proven false ,assumptions. I also told you that when I do see those whom you mentioned on an article I will likely respond to them ,but i haven't read one with them on it yet.
@ Bingo
C-14 is plagued with one more assumption than the other techniques (not to mention the theoretical maximum one could get an age for anything with it is around 90,000 to 100,000 years ,and not "millions of years".). This extra assumption is "equilibrium". This assumption goes something like this. A certain amount of C-14 is being produced in our atmosphere at all times ,and is then absorbed by living beings. It is theorized that the earth should have reached "equilibrium" at around 30,000 years old. We have not yet reached this "equilibrium" (we should have done so a long time ago if our earth is millions of years old),and this throws off the accuracy of the dates. This one key assumption makes C-14 unreliable in finding an accurate date ,unless you take into account a way to address this assumptions flaws ,and a way to counteract it ,you will never get an accurate date. One reason we know that this particular assumption is incorrect is due to our earth's decaying magnetic field. As the field get's weaker ,we get more C-14 introduced into our atmosphere. Even within (I may be wrong about an exact number here ,but you don't seem to care about someone in your own community being capable of being off by a million years or more) few thousand years ago our magnetic field was as much as twice as strong as it is now. Conclusion organisms from older periods are going to have less carbon in them then current organisms have ,and since they are taking what current organisms have as their starting point this leads to an inaccurate dating of the sample.
@ Bingo
C-14 is plagued with one more assumption than the other techniques (not to mention the theoretical maximum one could get an age for anything with it is around 90,000 to 100,000 years ,and not "millions of years".). This extra assumption is "equilibrium". This assumption goes something like this. A certain amount of C-14 is being produced in our atmosphere at all times ,and is then absorbed by living beings. It is theorized that the earth should have reached "equilibrium" at around 30,000 years old. We have not yet reached this "equilibrium" (we should have done so a long time ago if our earth is millions of years old),and this throws off the accuracy of the dates. This one key assumption makes C-14 unreliable in finding an accurate date ,unless you take into account a way to address this assumptions flaws ,and a way to counteract it ,you will never get an accurate date. One reason we know that this particular assumption is incorrect is due to our earth's decaying magnetic field. As the field get's weaker ,we get more C-14 introduced into our atmosphere. Even within (I may be wrong about an exact number here ,but you don't seem to care about someone in your own community being capable of being off by a million years or more) few thousand years ago our magnetic field was as much as twice as strong as it is now. Conclusion organisms from older periods are going to have less carbon in them then current organisms have ,and since they are taking what current organisms have as their starting point this leads to an inaccurate dating of the sample.
written by Cerebrum123 , February 18, 2012
Oh also need to mention that a lot of the early converts to Christianity were actually the educated ,and the rich ,and NOT just a bunch of ragtag followers wandering around. You have a very distorted view of history. I think you need to do some real research ,and by that I mean real scholars ,and NOT Wikipedia.
written by duh_swami , February 18, 2012
Forget it, an old rock is an old rock and an old fossil is an old fossil...When are you going to preach to Muslims?
written by Yibel , February 18, 2012
The origin of the jinn is rooted in pre-Islamic Arab societies. Pagan Arabs referred to jinn as demon-like creatures, considering them to be lower in ranking than angels, or even lesser deities. The Arabic word jinn comes from the root J-N-N (Janna), which means “concealed or hidden,” similar to the Arabic verb janna meaning “to conceal, hide.” In the Qur’an, wherein jinn are described as beings made of “smokeless fire:”
We created man from dried (sounding) clay of altered mud. And the jinn, We
created aforetime from the smokeless flame of fire (Quran 15:26-27)
According to the Qur'an, Allah created angels, jinn and humankind for no other purpose then to worship Him:
“I did not create the Jinn and mankind except to worship Me.” (Quran 51:56)
Islamic scholar Ibn Abd al Barr said the jinn have several names and are of various
types. In general, they are called jinn; a jinn who lives among people (a haunter or
dweller) is called Aamir, and if it is the type of jinn that attaches itself to a child it is called Arwaah. An evil jinn is often called Shaytaan (devil), when they are more than evil, demonic, they are called Maarid, and the most evil and strong jinn are called Ifreet (plural afaareet). In the traditions of Muhammad, the jinn are divided into three classes; those who have wings and fly in the air, those who resemble snakes and dogs, and those who travel about endlessly.
Among the jinn are those who believe the message of the Qur'an and there are those who do not. “Say (O’ Muhammad): It has been revealed to me that a group of Jinn listened and said; ‘Indeed we have heard a marvelous Quran. It guides unto righteousness so we have believed in it, and we will never make partners with our Lord.” (Quran 72: 1-2)
However: “And surely, We have created many of the jinn and mankind for Hell. They have hearts wherewith they understand not, and they have eyes wherewith they see not, and they have ears wherewith they hear not (the Qur'an).” (Quran 7:179)
In Islamic theology, Iblis or Shaytaan/Satan (aka Lucifer) was always considered a jinn (not an angel), but one who was allowed to rise to the ranks of angels due to his good deeds, but eventually fell from grace due to his pride when he refused to bow down and worship Allah's newest creation - man. (Q. 2:32-38)
In Christian theology, the demons are angels who have been thrown out of Heaven, the most famous being Lucifer, and they are exclusively evil.
We created man from dried (sounding) clay of altered mud. And the jinn, We
created aforetime from the smokeless flame of fire (Quran 15:26-27)
According to the Qur'an, Allah created angels, jinn and humankind for no other purpose then to worship Him:
“I did not create the Jinn and mankind except to worship Me.” (Quran 51:56)
Islamic scholar Ibn Abd al Barr said the jinn have several names and are of various
types. In general, they are called jinn; a jinn who lives among people (a haunter or
dweller) is called Aamir, and if it is the type of jinn that attaches itself to a child it is called Arwaah. An evil jinn is often called Shaytaan (devil), when they are more than evil, demonic, they are called Maarid, and the most evil and strong jinn are called Ifreet (plural afaareet). In the traditions of Muhammad, the jinn are divided into three classes; those who have wings and fly in the air, those who resemble snakes and dogs, and those who travel about endlessly.
Among the jinn are those who believe the message of the Qur'an and there are those who do not. “Say (O’ Muhammad): It has been revealed to me that a group of Jinn listened and said; ‘Indeed we have heard a marvelous Quran. It guides unto righteousness so we have believed in it, and we will never make partners with our Lord.” (Quran 72: 1-2)
However: “And surely, We have created many of the jinn and mankind for Hell. They have hearts wherewith they understand not, and they have eyes wherewith they see not, and they have ears wherewith they hear not (the Qur'an).” (Quran 7:179)
In Islamic theology, Iblis or Shaytaan/Satan (aka Lucifer) was always considered a jinn (not an angel), but one who was allowed to rise to the ranks of angels due to his good deeds, but eventually fell from grace due to his pride when he refused to bow down and worship Allah's newest creation - man. (Q. 2:32-38)
In Christian theology, the demons are angels who have been thrown out of Heaven, the most famous being Lucifer, and they are exclusively evil.
written by Bingo , February 18, 2012
Let's forget science for time being n concentrate on ur views. So according to u, what is the age of earth? Biblical scholars in dark ages calculated that earth was created by Yehwah on October 8, 4004 B.C. Do u find that reasonable n hence believe in young earth theory?
written by then lie , February 19, 2012
picktal translate 1. Say (O Muhammad): It is revealed unto me that a company of the Jinn gave ear, and they said: Lo! it is a marvellous
Qur’an,
2. Which guideth unto righteousness, so we believe in it and we ascribe unto our Lord no partner.Among the jinn are those who believe the message of the Qur'an and there are those who do not.
“Say (O’ Muhammad): It has been revealed to me that a group of Jinn listened and said; ‘Indeed we have heard a marvelous Quran.
It guides unto righteousness so we have believed in it, and we will never make partners with our Lord.” (Quran 72: 1-2)
The quran in orisinil arabic never different .translate maybe, depent on ability translater.
learn islam and go to islam country like malaysia, indonesia,brunaidarussalam, bangladesh
Qur’an,
2. Which guideth unto righteousness, so we believe in it and we ascribe unto our Lord no partner.Among the jinn are those who believe the message of the Qur'an and there are those who do not.
“Say (O’ Muhammad): It has been revealed to me that a group of Jinn listened and said; ‘Indeed we have heard a marvelous Quran.
It guides unto righteousness so we have believed in it, and we will never make partners with our Lord.” (Quran 72: 1-2)
The quran in orisinil arabic never different .translate maybe, depent on ability translater.
learn islam and go to islam country like malaysia, indonesia,brunaidarussalam, bangladesh
written by fineliving56 , February 19, 2012
Have you been reading and understanding what you quoting from Quran …I doubt it .
Jinn [ devil servants] said : indeed we heard a marvelous Quran
Jinn: said :gave ear
Jinn said : they believe
it's strange … Muhammad said, Jinn said this, and said that but ….no one have seen these Jinn, except Muhammad and mental people who suffer from Schizophrenia …
What does this suggests ? ….
Let us take a wild guess …..
Muhammad is a sicko and suffers from Schizophrenia ….
Then lie ….Have you seen Jinn ?
You call for people to learn Islam and go to Muslim countries like Malaysia …etc
Are you kidding? …. didn't you see what Happen to Hamza ?
then lie …..You most be a non Arab …. I am Arabic and have ability to read,understand and translate Quran to English!!
And I will you this …. Your Quran is not worse the paper is written on … it is a pile of garbage needs to be thrown away or burned or buried … which ever way .. as long as it is away from young humen minds.
Stop throwing garbage [Quran words] in IW ….you are dirtying the place .
Jinn [ devil servants] said : indeed we heard a marvelous Quran
Jinn: said :gave ear
Jinn said : they believe
it's strange … Muhammad said, Jinn said this, and said that but ….no one have seen these Jinn, except Muhammad and mental people who suffer from Schizophrenia …
What does this suggests ? ….
Let us take a wild guess …..
Muhammad is a sicko and suffers from Schizophrenia ….
Then lie ….Have you seen Jinn ?
You call for people to learn Islam and go to Muslim countries like Malaysia …etc
Are you kidding? …. didn't you see what Happen to Hamza ?
then lie …..You most be a non Arab …. I am Arabic and have ability to read,understand and translate Quran to English!!
And I will you this …. Your Quran is not worse the paper is written on … it is a pile of garbage needs to be thrown away or burned or buried … which ever way .. as long as it is away from young humen minds.
Stop throwing garbage [Quran words] in IW ….you are dirtying the place .
written by fineliving56 , February 19, 2012
Why my post was taken away? …. I am stating the truth about Quran, to Then lie
Please It should be posted …. Muhammad sow Jinn and no one does but the mental …. and Then and lie a non Arab, believes what is dished out to him in Quran
and I am telling him Quran is nothing but garbage came from a mental case like Muhammad who sow Jinn …
Please It should be posted …. Muhammad sow Jinn and no one does but the mental …. and Then and lie a non Arab, believes what is dished out to him in Quran
and I am telling him Quran is nothing but garbage came from a mental case like Muhammad who sow Jinn …
written by duh_swami , February 19, 2012
I know for a fact that jinn inhabit the engine of my car...Only my trusty Haynes Auto Repair Manual keeps them from wrecking everything...I use wrenches and screwdrivers as exorcism tools...
written by vbv , February 20, 2012
Evolution is a proven fact and you cannot compare this with the rigmarole of bullshits by the Bible. Read Richard Dawkins books like 'The Selfish Genes' or more recently 'The Greatest Show on Earth' you will find what I mean. Scientists become scientists after only rigorous questioning and proving ,but religions puts the "fear of god " in you to belive in its bunch of lies. Scientists have contributed very immensely to the well-being of humanity - you can see for yourself the visible evidence all around you whether it is medicine transportation,communication,etc. Religion is concerned only with the fear of an imaginery spook called god/allah/yahweh who "will punish you with 'eternal hell' should refuse to believe in it". What is religions contribution to humanity ? Just bigotry , sectarianism, wars, murders, tortures, spreading superstitions and fear, craeting a c lergy who are nosy busybodies poking their noses into your private life , leading an indolent and unproductive life making money out of the gullibility of the deluded masses. That is god and religion for you.
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Manson was born in 1934...He was about 11 when Hitler died...Manson did not become famous until the late 1960's...If Hitler praised him he was praising an unknown child...
Editor: This was due to my wrong reading of author's statement and the error occurred while editing the article. He said, Manson had prised Hitler, not Hitler praised Manson. It has been amended now.