Whenever a new translation of the Quran is published, I obtain a copy of it hoping that, finally, someone has discovered that Islam’s sacred text was misunderstood, that it is really about equality, civil rights, and brotherly love. It was with this same anticipation that I opened the new English translation by Dr. Nazeer Ahmed, written “in easy American English.”
The author acknowledges that “every Word of Qur’an has forty thousand meanings. Each word is like a diamond that shines different colors under different wavelengths.” Not to pour cold water on Dr. Ahmed’s eloquence, but the venerable Occam’s Razor posits with regard to translations that the most straightforward interpretation usually reflects the author’s true intentions. As readers will observe below, this new English translation actually labors to obscure the meaning of the texts by finding far-fetched interpretations rather than owning up to the evil content of the original Quran. It seems that the translator’s own conscience wouldn’t allow him to flesh out in plain words the brutal passages; so he equivocates and obscures instead.
The true test of the word of God is not whether it is sparkles like a diamond, but rather whether it is worthy of the all-knowing Creator of the Universe. The Quran contains numerous commands by Allah, which are not only evil but also outlawed by national and international laws. The selected texts below are some of the most offensive passages in the Quran. For comparison, I have posted the 1956 translation of these verses by N. J. Dawood first, followed by Dr. Ahmed’s new interpretations. The translator’s glosses are in parentheses ( ), while my own inserts are in brackets [ ].
Allah’s deputy [khalifah] will make mischief and shed blood
Dawood: When your Lord said to the angels: “I am placing on the earth one that shall
rule as My deputy,” they replied, “Will You put there one that will do evil and shed blood, when we have so long sung Your praises and sanctified Your name?” He
said: “I know what you know not.” (Surah 2:30)
Ahmed: When your Rabb said to the Angels: “I shall indeed place on earth a Trustee,” they submitted: “Will You create one who will make mischief and shed blood, while we glorify You, praise You, and sanctify You?” Said (the Creator): “I know what you know not!” (Surah 2:30)
Law of bloody retaliation (lex talionis)
Dawood: Believers, retaliation is decreed for you in bloodshed: a free man for a free man, a slave for a slave, and a female for a female… In retaliation you have a safeguard for your lives; perchance you will guard yourselves against evil. (Surah 2:178-9. See also Surahs 2:194 and 5:45)
Ahmed: O you who believe! Prescribed for you is the principle of qisas (equitable recompense) in the case of murder: a free man for a free man, a slave for a slave, a woman for a woman… Know tha there is (preservation of) life in the principle of qisas so that you may learn consciousness of Divine presence. (Surah 2:178-9)
[A long footnote explains without support that the Quran emphasizes forgiveness and reconciliation.]
Obligation to engage in jihad
Dawood: Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. (Surah 2:216) [See also Surah 9:111]
Ahmed: Fighting (to preserve your faith) is prescribed for you but you detest it. (Surah 2:216)
[Why would a personal effort to improve one’s faith be detestable?]
Rape of captives
Dawood: Also [forbidden are] married women, except those whom you own as slaves. (Surah 4:24)
Ahmed: (Forbidden) are married women except those your right hand possesses (who are prisoners of war). (Surah 4:24)
Physical abuse of wives
Dawood: As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. (Surah 4:34)
Ahmed: As for those about whom you fear lewdness, (first) counsel them, then stay from them in bed, and then (if that fails) bring them out (before the judicial process (please see note at the end of the Surah), and then if they follow your counsel (and desist from lewd conduct), do not seek to make their path (of rehabilitation) difficult. (Surah 4:34)
[The end note explains that the Arabic word daraba has many meanings, so the translator chose “bring out” as opposed to the more common meaning, “beat.” See also 20:18 and 38:44 where daraba is correctly translated as “beat” and “strike,” respectively. Reader should also observe that Ahmed has introduced a “judicial process” which is never a precursor to Islamic wife beating. The male is the absolute authority over women in his charge.]
Murder of Apostates
Dawood: [Hypocrites] would have you disbelieve as they themselves have disbelieved, so that you may be all alike. Do not befriend them until they have fled their homes for the cause of God. If they desert you, seize them and put them to death wherever you find them. (Surah 4:89)
Ahmed: [Hypocrites] would love to see you disbelieve as they disbelieve so that you become like them. Therefore do not take them as your protectors unless they move toward the path of Allah. Then if they turn against you (if they fight you) surround them and fight them wherever you find their presence… (Surah 4:89)
Cruel and inhumane punishment
Dawood: As for the man or woman who is guilty of theft, cut off their hands to punish them for their crimes. That is the punishment enjoined by God. (Surah 5:38)
Ahmed: And the man who is a thief, and the woman who is a thief – in consequence whereof, (after due process) cut off the means of their theft – a recompense for what they have earned – (an ordinance) from Allah to eradicate the evil of thievery). (Surah 5:38)
[A footnote explains, “Most translations use ‘[cut off] their hands’ for aidee huma. In modern times, there are thieves who steal millions, perhaps billions of dollars without ever using their hands, by means of computers and electronic devices. Therefore, we have translated the term in its broadest sense as ‘means of thievery.’ Such a translation also gives the maximum latitude to the jurist in disposing of cases of modern thievery, including the possibility of repentance and rehabilitation.”]
Inciting racial/religious hatred by calling Jews apes and swine
Dawood: People of the Book, …most of you are evil-doers… Those whom God has cursed and with whom He has been angry, transforming them into apes and swine, and those who serve the devil. (Surah 5:59-60)
Ahmed: O people of the Book! …Indeed, most among you are rebellious… [You are] rejected by Allah and upon whom is His Ire; some among them He causes to act like monkeys and swine and (become) slaves of the devil. (Surah 5:59-60)
Beheading captives
Dawood: When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. (Surah 47:3)
God revealed, “I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads,
strike off the very tips of their fingers!” (Surah 8:12)
Ahmed: So, if you meet the disbelievers (in a defensive battle), smite their necks, until you have subdued them, then reinforce their chains. (Surah 47:3)
(Remember) when Revelation came to you… “Soon shall I install awe in the hearts of the disbelievers. So, strike them on their necks, and strike them on each fingertip.” (Surah 8:12)
Allah slays (lakinnal) people
Dawood: It was not you, but Allah, who slew them. (Surah 8:17)
Ahmed: So, it was not you who fought them; but it was Allah who fought them. (Surah 8:17)
Quran sanctions taking of hostages and booty
Dawood: A prophet may not take captives until he has fought and triumphed in his land [other translations say “widespread slaughter”] . . . Enjoy therefore the good and lawful things which you have gained in war, and fear God. (Surah 8:70)
Ahmed: It is not befitting a Prophet to have prisoners of war, unless he (has stopped) bloodshed in the land. . . Therefore, use what you have secured as booty that is permitted and pure. (Surah 8:70)
Subjugation of Christians and Jews
Dawood: Fight against such of those to whom the Scriptures were given as believe neither in God nor the Last Day, who do not forbid what God and His apostle have forbidden, who do not embrace the true Faith, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued. (Surah 9:29)
Ahmed: Struggle against those who do not believe in Allah, and the Last Day, and do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and those from among the people of the Book who do not embrace the path of Justice (Truth), until they humbly pay the tribute with their own hands. (Surah 9:29)
Quran recommends suicide for doubters
Dawood: If anyone thinks that God will not give victory to His apostle in this world and in the world to come, let him tie a rope to the ceiling of his house and hang himself. Then let him see if his device has done away with that which has enraged him. (Surah 22:15)
Ahmed: If anyone doubts that Allah will not help him in this world and in the hereafter, let him throw up a scheme towards the heavens, and (try to) cut (the distance between heaven and earth), then see if his plan will remove what distresses him. (Surah 22:15)
Allah honors animal cruelty
Dawood: We gave Solomon to David; and he was a good and faithful servant. When, one evening, his prancing steeds were ranged before him, he said: “My love for good things has distracted me from the remembrance of my Lord; for now the sun has vanished behind the veil of darkness. Bring me back my chargers!” And with this he fell to hacking their legs and necks… In the world to come he shall be honored and well received. (Surah 38:33-40)
[This animal cruelty is also reflected in the Pickthal, Shakir, Saheeh, Qaribullah, Sale, and Rodwell translations.]
Ahmed: And We granted Solomon (as a son) to David, a Divine gift, a servant (of Allah). Indeed, he was among those who turned to Us. When, one evening, high bred horses were presented to him, he said, “Indeed, I have come to love, with a higher love, because of the dhikr (remembrance) of my Lord; until it (the sun) disappeared in the curtain (of darkness).” (He said): “Bring them back to me!” Then he started to
stroke their feet and their mane (out of his love for them). . . And indeed there is for him closeness with Us and a station of excellence. (Surah 38:33-40)
Rape of Children
Dawood: Prophet (and you believers) if you divorce your wives, divorce them at the end of their waiting period. . . If you are in doubt concerning those of your wives who have ceased menstruating, know that their waiting period shall be three months. The same shall apply to those who have not yet menstruated. (Surah 65:1, 4)
Ahmed: O Prophet! When you divorce women, divorce them keeping in mind their measured terms, and keep track of their measured terms, and be conscious of your Rabb [Creator]… And the women, those among your wives who are not hopeful of their menses (in menopause), if you are doubtful, then their period is three months, and (also) the women, who have not yet had their menses. (Surah 65:1, 4)
Allah brands on the nose those who doubt the Quran
Dawood: [When someone says,] “They are but fables of the ancients,” on the nose We will brand him! (Surah 68:15-16)
Ahmed: [When someone says,] “(These are) tales of the ancients!” Soon We shall smite him on his nose. (Surah 68:15-16)
No punishment for those who rape captives
Dawood: [Punishment is spared for those] who restrain their carnal desire (save with their wives and slave-girls, for these are lawful to them). (Surah 70:29-30)
Ahmed: [Punishment is spared for] those who guard their chastity, except with their spouses and whose their right hands possess, in which case, they are free from blame. (Surah 70:29-30)
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written by Rationalist , November 01, 2011
written by duh_swami , November 01, 2011
That makes all translations faulty, and therefore false...
If all Qurans are false, Islam is false...
According to sharia, it is a serious violation of apostasy to take anything out of Quran, or to put anything in it that does not belong there by scholarly concensus...All translations then, including Ahmeds, are violations of sharia...Since the translator has no idea what Allah really wrote, they invent... invention is apostasy...According to the standards set in sharia law, Dr Ahmed is an apostate...
written by C"H"Martel , November 01, 2011
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written by Reed Wilson. , November 01, 2011
duh_swami "Reed Wilson, is that you?
Thank you. I have posted for you which has to pass a review. I will tell you other link if it does not appear.
written by Reed Wilson. , November 01, 2011
How you claim that? How can it make all translations faulty? Translation cannot be a translation if it is not rendering the meanings faithfully. When you say 'faulty translation' it automatically absolves the text. The problem arises when you mix and confuse the translation with text.
"According to sharia, it is a serious violation of apostasy to take anything out of Quran, or to put anything in it that does not belong there by scholarly consensus."
I dont get much of you. Nobody, if so called Muslim, dare deviate from Hadis. Use brackets and parenthesis is vulgarity and is dishonest practice of translators to contaminate Quran with Hadis. Every translator tries to serve one or the other school or sect. This promotes sales.
Then come tricks. A verse of Quran is not always a complete message. Louis Palme has given heading 'Murder of Apostates' for translation of 4:89. It relates مُنَافِقِينَ and not apostates. They too had come to fight and an armed encounter was going on where kill or be killed is the only option. Allow me to quote 4:90 below:
"Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you any option against them. (4:90) Shakir.
All passages of translations mentioned by Louis Palme are bad or no translations. Thank you duh-swami asking for my comments.
written by Yibel , November 01, 2011
The expression Al-Rahman is NOT and NEVER WAS a characteristic (merciful, compassionate, most gracious) of Allah. It is the ACTUAL NAME of the supreme god of Yemen that Muhammad first promoted before changing his allegiance to Allah. Muhammad hijacked both the name and the attributes of this deity during his early Makkah period and used it extensively in his initial Qur’an verses in an attempt to have this god included in the pagan Ka’aba shrine.
The name of al-Rahman, but NOT Allah, appears in twelve Makkah Suras 47 times, in the very early Madinah Suras 3 times. It also appears at the start of every Sura except one (Sura 9). And in almost every occurrence of the word Rahman or al-Rahman, Muslim translators deliberately pervert this name into an attribute (sifa) of Allah so that the average reader is deceived. The reason is obvious. How could there be 2 gods with 2 different names that Muhammad believed in?
Notice how there are 2 gods mentioned in the following sura:
Al Isra (Holy Night Journey) 17: 110 Say: "Call upon Allah OR call upon Al Rahman: by whatever NAME ye call upon Him (it is well): for to Him belong the Most Beautiful NAMES [al asma^a al husna] …"
In crystal clear Arabic, the Quran asserts that both Allah and al Rahman are NAMES of gods (asma^a).
In the Makkah period Surat al-Rahman 55, it is clearly al-Rahman, NOT Allah, that is Muhammahd’s creator god who brought down the Quran:
1 Al Rahman (the Most Gracious god)
2 It is He Who has taught the Qur'an.
3 He has created man:
4 He has taught him speech
5 The sun and the moon follow courses computed;
7 And the Firmament has He raised high and He has set up the balance
10 It is He Who has spread out the earth for (His) creatures:
14 He created man from sounding clay like unto pottery.
15 And He created Jinns from fire free of smoke:
(Note: Only in Muhammad's Quran are Jinn (Demons) created with humanity and are parallel creatures, though invisible to them.)
Rahman/Rahim/Rimmon (rhm/rhmn) is the Aramaic name of the storm and thunder god of the syrians Hadad/Adad, meaning thunderer. It is the god Rahman who holds the reins of the great flying horse Buraq/Barack (meaning lightning) that belongs to the sun/storm/war-god called Shamash, an Assyrian/Babylonian god.
Note: Buraq is the magic horse in Sura 17, Al-Isra (Holy Night Journey), that Muhammad rides to the Farthest Mosque, or Sacred Temple (actual place not specified), in order to ascend to the seven skies (heavens). In other words, Shamash orders al-Rahman to release Buraq to Muhammad so he will be able to ascend to the heavens, thus proving to his followers that he can lead them to paradise.
written by Yibel , November 01, 2011
25:60 When it is said to them "Adore ye [(Allah) Most Gracious!] lil Rahmani they say "And what is [(Allah) Most Gracious] al Rahmanu? Shall we adore that which thou commandest us?" and it increases their flight (from the Truth).
(In the above passage, the Quraysh who controlled the Ka'aba and did not believe in al-Rahman and are challenging Muhammad as to why they should accept this foreign god instead of/or alongside of their traditional gods: Hubal and Allah and his three daughters.)
In Surat 19, Maryam, the name of al-Rahman occurs 16 times, but Allah does not occur even once. For example:
Sura 19:18 She said: "I seek refuge from thee to [(Allah) Most Gracious] bil Rahmani: (come not near) if thou dost fear (Allah)."
"Qalat: inny a'outhoo bil Rahmani minka in kunta taqqyyan"
(In the above passage, Maryam is asking for protection from the god Rahman, NOT Allah, against one whom she perceives as a man entering her private chambers.)
19:26 … And if thou dost see any man say `I have vowed a fast to al-Rahman [(Allah) Most Gracious] and this day will I enter into no talk with any human being.
(In the following verses, Ibraham is admonishing his pagan father:)
19:44 "O my father! serve not Satan: for Satan is a rebel against al-Rahman [(Allah) Most Gracious]
19:45 "O my father! I fear lest you will suffer the torture of al-Rahman [(Allah) Most Gracious] so that thou become to Satan a friend."
Here the Qur'an promises paradise to Muhammad's followers:
19:61 Gardens of Eternity those which al-Rahman [(Allah) Most Gracious] has promised to His servants…
And tortures to those who don't accept Islam:
19:69 Then shall We certainly drag out from every sect all those who were worst in obstinate rebellion against al Rahman [(Allah) Most Gracious]
19:78 Has he penetrated to the Unseen or has he taken a contract with al-Rahman [(Allah) Most Gracious]?
19:85 The day We shall gather the righteous to al-Rahman [(Allah) Most Gracious] like a band presented before a king for honors.
19:87 None shall have the power of intercession but such a one as has received permission (or promise) from al-Rahman [(Allah) Most Gracious]
19:88 They say: "al-Rahman [(Allah) Most Gracious] has begotten a son!"
19:91 That they should invoke a son for al-Rahman [(Allah) Most Gracious]
19:92 For it is not consonant with the majesty of al-Rahman {(Allah) Most Gracious}that He should beget a son.
19:93 Not one of the beings in the heavens and the earth but must come to al- Rahman [(Allah) Most Gracious] as a servant.
19:96 On those who believe and work deeds of righteousness will al-Rahman [(Allah) Most Gracious] bestow Love.
written by Yibel , November 01, 2011
These verses/ayat mention that the mountains, the heavens and the earth all prostrate in awe and worship of Al-Rahman, the creator, and vividly describe how any blasphemy invokes his wrath. But no mention of Allah anywhere!
The following are all the references to the name Al-Rahman in the Quran:
1:1, 1:3, 2:163, 13:30, 17:110, 19:18, 19:26, 19:44, 19:45, 19:58,
19:61, 19:69, 19:75, 19:78, 19:85, 19:87, 19:88, 19:91, 19:92,
19:93, 19:96, 20:5, 20:90, 20:108, 20:109, 21:26, 21:36,
21:42, 21:112, 25:26, 25:59, 25:60, 25:60, 25:63, 25:63, 26:5,
27:30, 36:11, 36:15, 36:23, 36:52, 41:2, 43:17, 43:19, 43:20,
43:33, 43:36, 43:45, 43:81, 50:33, 55:1, 59:22, 67:3, 67:19,
67:20, 67:29, 78:37, and 78:38.
Based on these Arabic verses in Muhammad's Quran, Al Rahman was clearly the god that Muhammad referred to when he was in Makkah before he changed his mind and decided to have his followers protrate themselves to the allah, the Makkan god of the Ka'aba shortly after he fled/escaped to Yathrib/Madinah.
written by lord garth , November 01, 2011
I wonder whether there are any "allah" verses that are Makkan or any al rahman verses that are madinah. I think there are and if so, these should be cited and explained.
written by aaki , November 02, 2011
1. God (Allah, Al-Iah): over 2,700 times
2. Lord (Al-Rub): over 950 times
3. The All-Merciful, The Most Merciful (Al-Rahman, Al-Rahim): 306 times, another 4 times as The Most Merciful Among the Merciful (Ar-Hamu Ar-Rahimeen) and 11 times as The Extremely Merciful (Al-Ra’ouf)
4. The All-Knowing (Al-Alim): 162 times
5. The Wise (Al-Hakim): 114 times
6. The Forgiving (Al-Ghafur, Al-Ghaffar, Al-Ghafir): 93 times, another 1 time as The Vast in Forgiveness (Wasi’u Al-Maghfirah)
7. The Mighty (Al-Aziz): 64 times
8. The All-Hearing (Al-Sami’u): 46 times
9. The All-Seeing (Al-Basir): 46 times
10. The All-Aware (Al-Khabir): 46 times
11. The All-Capable (Al-Qadir): 46 times
12. The Self-Sufficient (Al-Ghaniy): 21 times
13. The Witness (Al-Shahid): 20 times
14. The Knower of the Unseen (Alimu Al-Ghaybi, Alimu Al-Ghaybi wa al-Shahada, Allam Al-Ghiyoob): 17 times
15. The Patron (Al-Wakil): 13 times
16. The Acceptor of Repentance (Al-Tawwab): 11 times
17. The All-Able (Al-Qadir): 11 times
18. The Clement, Forbearer, Forgiver (Al-Halim): 10 times, another 5 times as The Pardoner (Al-’Afuw)
19. The Praised (Al-Hamid): 10 times
20. The Truth (Al-Haq): 10 times
21. The Powerful (Al-Qawiy): 9 times
22. The Vast (Wasi’u): 9 times
23. The Creator (Al-Khaliq): 8 times
24. The Great (Al-Adhim): 8 times
25. The Peace (Al-Salam): 7 times
One immediately notices a theme here: the God of the Quran is The All-Merciful, The Most Merciful, The Most Merciful Among the Merciful, The Extremely Merciful, The Most Compassionate, The Most Beneficent, The Most Forgiving, The Acceptor of Repentance, The Clement, The Forbearer, The Pardoner, etc. As Prof. William Schweiker notes on p.52 of Humanity Before God that “…the Qur’an frequently emphasizes God’s mercy, pardon, and forgiveness…”
Prof. Harold A. Netland writes on p.78 of Dissonant Voices that “the early preaching of the prophet [Muhammad] ‘spoke of God’s power and his goodness to human beings.’” Prof. Caesar E. Farah writes on p.133 of Islam: Beliefs and Observances:
In the early days of Muhammad’s preachings he stressed rahmah (mercy) and Rahman (the merciful) so much that his listeners believed he was calling upon them to worship a god called al-Rahman…
The Qur’an contains numerous revelations on mercy, ending with the words “Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.”
written by aaki , November 02, 2011
This emphasis on Allah’s Mercy is altogether unlike Yahweh’s emergence as Israel’s war-god; the Canaanites came to fear the terror of Yahweh, such that even seeing the Ark struck fear in their hearts. For example, as Henricus Oort’s Bible for Learners (vol.1, p.337) so presciently notes, Rahab (a Canaanite) cooperates with the Israelite army ”because she feared Yahweh,” as she had seen what Yahweh had done to the surrounding nations. Indeed, the Israelites benefited from portraying their god as particularly brutal and cruel, which caused Israel’s enemies to be paralyzed by fear.
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written by aaki , November 02, 2011
There is a reason for this: Allah was never understood to be a “war-god.” Quite simply, there is no “divine warrior god” theme found in the Quran. Unlike Yahweh who entered the Judeo-Christian tradition as a war-god, Allah was known during Islam’s birth as a creator God. Writes Prof. Harold A. Netland on p.76 of Dissonant Voices: Religious Pluralism and the Question of Truth:
Above all the gods, distant and remote, was Allah, the God, creator of the world.
As Prof. Jonathan P. Berkey notes on p.42 of The Formation of Islam, Allah “represented a remote creator god.” Unlike Yahweh, Allah was not thought to march out on the battlefield alongside the soldiers. Instead of Allah, the pagans brought along idols such as Hubal to the battlefront. Dr. Malise Ruthven writes on p.28 of Islam in the World that “the pagans carried some of [their] idols as standards into battle,” but this was not the case with Allah as there were “no images of Allah” (p.21 of Prof. William E. Phipps’ book Muhammad and Jesus).
In their battle against other tribes or against the Muslims, the pagans of Mecca did not carry with them the “remote, creator God” that was Allah, but instead took with them ”Hubal, a war god” (p.13 of Prof. Matthew S. Gordon’s Islam). This did not change with the early Muslims, who never believed that Allah was ever physically present on the battlefield. Instead, the Prophet Muhammad and early Muslims would point upwards to the sky when they referred to Allah. Whether or not this meant that the Islamic God was literally “above the heavens” or merely otherworldly (a matter of intense debate among Muslims today), the fact is that Allah was never thought to reside on earth, an idea that has always been considered blasphemous to Muslims.
written by aaki , November 02, 2011
Additionally, it should be noted that although Allah did come to assist the early Muslims in wars, He only did so through divine agents. It was believed that He dispatched an army of angels to fight for the faithful. Nowhere does God Himself become a “divine warrior” and march out onto the battlefield. This is an important difference, and one that explains why Allah is not understood to be a “warrior god” like Yahweh.
written by Machmoed , November 02, 2011
Shame you believe Allah assisted those barbarians when conquering others land. How many people were enslaved, raped and murdered and you say Allah helped them. Does this mean Allah left muslims since 14th century?
It is wrong to invade others life and force them to believe in your God and it is more wrong to abuse God for doing this like muslims did and tend to do. Is it good to conquer others in the name of God? Is it a good deed to judge others because of not believing in your specific God?
Allah is just a scapegoat for those who say to believe in Him. But it seemes that Allah is taking revenge now on muslims in general.
Conclusion: what muslims did is wrong and Allah/God had nothing to do with it but unbelievers always abuse God/Allah in order to execute their desires. They even attribute lies to Allah/God like the satanic verses where Iblies interfered. Do you really believe Allah/God could be tricked by Satan? I hope not! Accoding to islam iblies did trick Allah/God also with other messengers. We say in holland even a donkey does not make the same mistake twice.
written by duh_swami , November 02, 2011
written by Marcus , November 02, 2011
Your long diatribe has no point.You are comparing 3000 year old differences in languages ,beliefs ,societies and religions from a biased point of view.
You give stats on language usage that demonstrates praises and submissive words from various interpretations .None of this negates the actions of either religion.Nor does it dismiss the verses of cruelty,violence and human rights violations.
I seriously doubt you are an expert on ancient Aramaic,Hebrew,Greek,Arabic or any Asiatic ,African or Indo European languages.Yet you make erroneous claims of great understanding of ancient writings.
Your list of :Twenty-Five Most Frequently Used Names for God in the Quran only emphazies the fallacies and unbelievability of the quran.Beheadings,amputations,pedophilia,religious intolerance,racism,slavery,robbery,greed,sodomy,rape etc do not describe a merciful,peaceful,loving,kind compassionate,forgiving anything.
The Tooth Fairy,Yahweh,King Arthur,Allah,Satan or Jesus-call it what you like.The facts speak louder than words.As do the dead.
written by bundypig , November 02, 2011
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written by gsw , November 03, 2011
Clever actually, I wonder how they would feel if we start using the phrase "make mischief" to mean superstitious, or "obscene" to mean waving their posteriors in the air.
(Mohammud X, you are charged with the protracted exposure of your Gluteus Maximus in public - upsetting the elderly ladies of our community)
written by Archpagan , November 03, 2011
gsw, for your information, I say ' I shall go on Haj' to mean I shall go to latrine.
written by aaki , November 03, 2011
Muslims miss santas birthday?????
written by vbv , November 04, 2011
written by Yibel , November 04, 2011
"I wonder whether there are any "allah" verses that are Makkan or any al rahman verses that are madinah. I think there are and if so, these should be cited and explained. "
Islam's first creator god was Al-Rahman (Holy Thunderer).
Except for the openings of each sura (excluding sura 9, al-Tawbah), all except 3 of the Al-Rahman verses were from his Makkahan period. Only three verses use the name Al-Rahman after Muhammad fled to Madinah, which was called Yathrib at the time, and was the home of a Jewish tribe. After attacking the Jews in their own home town, and driving them out, Muhammad changed the name of the town to Madinah (meaning "Town of the Religious Rules of Ah"). And he changed the name of his god to Allah, meaning "Holy Ah." (Din, BTW, is actually a Persian Farsi loan word and is not Arabic.)
It is Al-Rahman who initially is Muhammad's creation god. And, I repeat, the following are the references to the name Al-Rahman in the Arabic Quran:
1:1, 1:3, 2:163, 13:30, 17:110, 19:18, 19:26, 19:44, 19:45, 19:58, 19:61, 19:69, 19:75, 19:78, 19:85, 19:87, 19:88, 19:91, 19:92, 19:93, 19:96, 20:5, 20:90, 20:108, 20:109, 21:26, 21:36, 21:42, 21:112, 25:26, 25:59, 25:60, 25:60, 25:63, 25:63, 26:5, 27:30, 36:11, 36:15, 36:23, 36:52, 41:2, 43:17, 43:19, 43:20, 43:33, 43:36, 43:45, 43:81, 50:33, 55:1, 59:22, 67:3, 67:19, 67:20, 67:29, 78:37, and 78:38.
written by Yibel , November 04, 2011
Forgiving, Merciful.”
You are right. The Qur'an does end with: "Allah is Al-Rahman"!!!
Fearing YHVH/Yahweh is the first sign of intelligent life! YHVH ended almost all life on earth during the great flood of Noah's day because the people were behaving like Muslims! He ended all life in Sodom and surrounding cities during Abraham's day because the people were behaving like Muslims! And He says He will put an end to the Muslim warfare against his chosen land and people, Israel, in our time as well. That is prophesy, REAL PROPHESY, not the fake stuff in the Qur'an.
So be afraid, be very afraid!!!
The fear of YHVH is the beginning of wisdom.
written by duh_swami , November 04, 2011
haha, vbv can mop the floor with you Muslim midget...it is you who should watch your mouth, before vbv puts his foot in it...
written by Jawi , November 05, 2011
written by duh_swami , November 06, 2011
Kuffar who can read and write and understand Arabic don't see any significant changes because it is translated into English...If only Arabic translations are valid that makes other language editions frauds...So why do Muslims translate into English, print in English, and distribute the English versions?
written by Machmoed , November 06, 2011
If the language of qur'an was arabic like the known arabic today, they could have been right, but it is not. There is so much tafseer/exegesis and one of the best exegesist ever is Ibnu Kathir. Even He could not explain everything. The qur'an contains not only arabic. According to jalaludeen suyuti it contains near 52 languages even berberic. He saw the universality in this but ofcourse Al Azhar rejected this because the qur'an sais it is clear arabic. The question is "clear arabic" to whom?
written by Machmoed , November 06, 2011
The fear of YHVH is the beginning of wisdom.
This can't be wise Yibel. How can an intelligent person like you believe this fairytales. You are joking right? In that case carry on!
written by Dwito , November 06, 2011
Let him do.
written by Yibel , November 06, 2011
aki started it with his comment about running all the Islamophobes off this site.....
So, let the games begin!!!
BTW, aki (iiki) there is no such thing as Islamophobia. A phobia is an irrational fear of something, and fearing Islam is very VERY rational. All rational people do it. We have seen the face of evil and we know the outcome if Islam is not stopped in its tracks and utterly defeated for good!!!
Now is the time for all good men (and women) to come to the aid of future generations of mankind.
Get out of pisslam, all you slaves of al-Ah the fake god, and come into the light of reason!
written by Reed Wilson. , November 15, 2011
Since it is in Arabic knowledge of the language is needed. Same is true for all languages. Otherwise translations serve the purpose.
"If the language of qur'an was Arabic like the known Arabic today, they could have been right, but it is not. There is so much tafseer/exegesis and one of the best exegesis ever is Ibnu Kathir. Even He could not explain everything."
This is not so. Quran does not call for tafsir or interpretations. It rater bans. When it says it is simplest and mubeen, a tafsir is mockery. Quran asks for self pondering leaving no scope for tafsir.
Moreover, places like alphabets in beginning of some suras, are not explained in tafsir and hadis even, thus falsifying its justification. The meanings or logic of alphabets would be understood at opportune time as for example, meaning of خَضِرًا could only be understood by 1935 when Man knew Chlorophyll and preservation of dead body of Pharaoh on recent findings.
Ibne Jarir and Kathir are both non Arab Persians. When they can understand Quran, who can not?
"According to jalaludeen suyuti it contains near 52 languages even berberic. He saw the universality in this but ofcourse Al Azhar rejected this because the qur'an sais it is clear arabic."
Suyuti is again a non Arab obfuscator. Did he count 52? He cannot even 5. Near 52 is non sense. He knew numbers up to 52 only. 'Quran says' is a belief. They should give logic as RW gives :)
Instead of discussing and making false claims, they should give examples of Quran as a riddle if they are true.
Fact of the matter is that even Shakespeare's English is difficult to comprehend by British but not Quran for Arabic literate people.
Slaves/right hand possenssions are inferior in the sight of Allah/Islam. Don't worry, you can have sex with slaves and you are free from blame. Muhammad did it, so it is something good. Mental disease is what creates this kind of thinking.