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Is Premarital Relationship and Romance Allowed in Islam?

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This is the question I was asked by an apparently liberal Muslimah---who has been "constantly" debating about it with people for its justification in the doctrine of Islam. My answer would not quite be to her satisfaction; she would most likely ignore my answer, ignoring the Quran too.


Our contributor Saleem Smith lately wrote: "Ironically, honorable Muslims are the worst Muslims; for, they give a bad religion a good name..."

One feature of these "good Muslims" or "moderate Muslims"---from non-Arab Muslim countries in particular---is that they are generally ignorant about the basic tenets and texts of Islam. Not that it is hard to master them; they won't just read those texts---Quran, Hadith, Sira, books on Sharia law etc.---because life works, mostly, to their satisfaction even without having the fundamental knowledge of Islam, thanks to a modern system of life they are born to, largely based on contributions of kafirs.

And one trait of these variant of Muslims is that they will try to justify everything they like in life in the light of Islam. Some would say that the idea comes from, or was shaped by, Islam; others, when confronted by the pious, would say that the idea has no conflict with Islam.

The issue of premarital love-relationship, and even having a bits of romance before marriage, is one such issue. In a world, marriage of underage girls (like 6-year-old Aisha) is a no-no, and when marrying late is becoming a trend, at least in educated section of Muslim societies, relationship before marriage, thanks undoubtedly to western winds, is becoming a norm, and an irresistable one, in that section of Muslim societies. So, those so-called educated, liberal Muslims have to justify premarital relationship and even bits of romance, not on rational, logical ground, but on an Islamic one. And they would debate with the pious, who frown upon such idea, with unfaltering tenacity---despite the fact that they have no knowledge of Islam.

Ms. Sabina Khan's is one such case. She has been debating "constantly" with friends and others about the compatibility of premarital love and remance, obviously when she lacks the knowledge of Islam's fundamental texts. Nonetheless, I must commend that she is interested in finding out what Islam truly says about it. I have tried to answer, hopefully, to her satisfaction:

Sabina Khan wrote:

Hello (: I have searched for ages but I can't seem to find what I'm looking for. I constantly have this argument with friends and such that kissing and declaring that you like someone it not absolutely  forbidden or wrong. Could you help me? Possibly with a quranic reference because no one who I've discussed this with seems to have any proof or a single quote to back them up. Thank you.

M. A. Khan's reply: 

Dear Sabina,

Please note that we are an ex-Muslim website, dedicated to criticizing the weaknesses, irrationalities, and cruelties etc. of Islam. So you should be careful, while considering our advice/opinion.

The following verse is relevant to your query:

Quran 24.031:

And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss.

So, the Quran clearly commands Muslim women to cover themselves completely, even not to make their ornaments visible, infront of any unrelated men. The thought of a love-relationship before marriage is out and out haraam; kissing your boyfriend or girlfriend would be manifold greater sin, as commonsense would suggest.

Please note that this anwer only touches the issue in question concerning the Muslim female partner in a relationship. For Muslim men, they have a much greater liberty, particularly concerning having a relationship with kafir women, which, for Muslim women, is an even greater no-no. Without going into it, I would hope that this was helpful, or what you wanted to know.

Best wishes.

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Khan Saab, You can start a Muslim help line.
written by indian_kufr , September 10, 2009
Dear Khan Saab,

I think you can start a muslim help forum to help muslims to refer koran, hadith , Sunna and Sharia like an Outsourced Service (Of course on a chargable basis ) since all Mullas/ Clerics are busy in jihad everywhere.

Muslims may find you a better source than these half illiterates.

Regards and keep on the exposing islam for a better mankind.
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written by Ashraf , September 10, 2009
The infidels know of no sin! That is why everything is allowed and doable to them, and that is why they see it as no big deal that 95% (if not even more) of their people are basically, in plain English, whores! These polytheist trinitarian infidels are so lost and so desperate that they really are in a desperate need for Islam!! Islam is their absolute ONE and ONLY solution, not their false god whom they falsely and unjustly turned him into GOD despite the fact that the man clearly said that he was not:

"And behold! God will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden. (The Noble Quran, 5:116)"

The Evangelicals do indeed worship Jesus, and the Catholics worship both Jesus and Mary. Not only that, but some Catholics also have the "holy family trinity", which consists of the Father, Mother and Son:


The Priest's "tallest (middle) finger represents the father, the next tallest (index), the mother, the small thumb, the child."



The "Mother of GOD" and "Holy Christ" blasphemous prayers:

If you watch the Catholics' prayers, you'll see their singings of praise to Mary being the exalted and adored mother of GOD, and if you watch the Evangelicals pray, then you'll always see them pray in Jesus' name, the man who ran to Egypt for his life from King Herod, and who said only GOD Almighty knows and no one else when he was asked about when the Hour will come [2].
Also, if you've watched the recent King Kong movie, then you'll recall when Bruce Bexter saw the charging prey-dinosaurs coming toward him. What did he say out of fear? "Mother of GOD!" in reference to Mary. That was his prayer before he ran for his life from the charging dinosaurs. And what did the hero of the movie, Jack Driscol, say when he saw them charging? "Holy Christ!" Now even though it's just a movie, but the characters did very well represent the mainstream Christians and their core blasphemous beliefs.

Also, even the polytheist trinitarian infidel, Sam Shamoun, always says "Lord Jesus willing," despite the fact that Jesus himself said "do not call me good, only GOD is good." (Mark 10:18, Luke 18:19) [1]




So, so much for their corruption and lies. Their Bible is a false book that was made and altered by men, and it is a book and a religion that promotes immorality and all of the sins that I mentioned above because it is not the True Word of GOD Almighty. The followers of the Holy Word of GOD Almighty are known by their works and fruits and only Islam's followers have the highest moral characters, ethics and fear and respect to GOD Almighty.

Therefore my dear Christian and Jewish people, embrace Islam and you'll be saved. Otherwise, you have only yourself to blame for all of the blasphemy that you live and believe in.
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Edotor, are u an INSANE? y do u mislead people?
written by Ashraf , September 10, 2009
[Editor: Dear Ashraf, please read a article before commenting just by looking at the title. I have not preached that Islam allows premarital sex; quite the opposite.

Also, just post one comment on a post at time, make it brief. Too may comments at go would be deleted in future.]


Allah says: Do not go near adultery,. surely it is an indecency, and an evil way [of fulfilling sexual urge]. (17:32) Fornication and adultery have severely been condemned in the saying of the Prophet and the Imams. In Islam, pre-marital sex is considered an immoral act against the rights of Allah and one's own sexual organs.

Homo, lesibian-sexuality also pfrbidden in islam...

Pre-marital sex is a sin punishable by the Islamic court. If an unmarried man and an unmarried woman are found guilty of fornication in an Islamic court, their punishment will be as the following: The woman and the man who fornicate scourge each of them a hundred whips; and in the matter of God s religion, let no tenderness for them seize you if you believe in God and the Last Day; and let a party of the believers witness their punishment. (24:2) If the unmarried man or woman commit fornication more than once, then they will be punished three times by hundred wipes, and if they are proven guilty for the fourth time, then they will be put to death. (See the chapter on "hudud" in Sharaya' and Sharh Lum'a also a;-Khu'i, Takmilah, p. 37-smilies/cool.gif (As for adultery, its punishment is even more severe because married persons have no excuse, whatsoever, to commit adultery. The shari'ah says that married persons guilty of adultery should be stoned to death.)

Masturbation
Once when Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq was asked about masturbation, he recited this very verse and mentioned masturbation as one of its examples. (Wasa'il, vol. 18, p. 575) In another, the Imam was asked about masturbation; he said, "It is an indecent act..." (Wasa'il, vol. 14, p. 267; vol. 18, pp. 574-5)

Masturbation is a sin for which a person can also be punished by the Islamic court. Of course, the nature of the punishment is upon the judge's discretion. Once a person was caught masturbating and was brought to Imam 'Ali. The Imam punished him by beating on his hands until it turned red; then he made arrangement for his marriage on government's expenses. (Wasa'il, vol. 14, p. 267; vol. 18, pp. 574-5)

These days some scientists are telling us that there is no harm in masturbation, rather it is a natural act. To prove that it is natural, they give examples of some wild animals, like monkeys. Actually they represent those who have gone to the other extreme of sexual morality. They have degraded human beings to the level of wild animals, and then justify their deeds by finding examples in the animal world. They are, in Qur'anic expression, "like cattle, nay they are more astray; they are the heedless ones." (7: 179) The irony is that when Muslims talk about following Islam which came just 1400 years ago, they are labeled by the secularists as 'reactionaries,' 'those who want to turn the clock backwards,' 'anti -progress,' and now these very people are going millions of years back (according to their own counting) and following the wild animals or the primitive societies to determine what is natural for us and what is not natural!
Therefore, pre-marital sex is out of the question as a means of fulfilling the sexual urge

The Noble Qur'an never let men free(liberty) for any sins he does... no discreminatins at all..,
So Editor, pls go home have a sound sleep, upload your knowledge, i suggest u. your brain have got rusted... ERRORS, IRRATIONALITIES, WEAKNESS are all in your bibal. I bet you cant prove that book right, anyone? I challenge the editor...
Scratch your A** first and look for others...you stinky...
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Who is this mad Ashraf??
written by henri4 , September 10, 2009
how can a human being follow a pedophile gangster like mohamed?
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written by kafir , September 10, 2009
Ashraf , Then why pedo Moh had illegal relationship with slave maria?? How Your pimp alla allowed this ?
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written by Ashraf , September 10, 2009
what are you talking about? we do not care what you infidels say, because u alter history, mistranslate qur'an and hadeeths... i don no what's there in your rusty brain... anyway give me the proof for u said above...
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written by vbv , September 10, 2009
Islam knows no romance but just rape. The average muslim sees a women and looks for a bed to lay her. That is inherent in the barbaric bedouin cult. Look at the founder of the cult who kept concubines like herds of sheep, 'married' a dozen women , had sexual relationship with the wives of his 'sahabas' while they were busy at 'jihad'. What about raping Sofia who was brutally raped after murdering her husband,father,brothers,etc before her eyes , or "marrying" his friend Abu Bakr's SIX YEAR old daughter when he was 54 years old ? Islam is a barbaric cult and appeals to men who harbour intense desire to lechery. Muslim women are just sex slaves who can be killed to 'protect the honor' of men who own them . After all women are dictated to as to what they can wear and how they should dress. They should be cloaked in a black tarpaulin with only a 'peephole' to enable them find their way , they cannot venture out alone without their father/brother/ husband, they cannot drive a vehicle, they cannot go to Universities, getv modern education,etc. Look at Saudi Arabia and the Talibans practicing pure islam or the pristine form of islam. They are worse than bandicoots or the Tasmanian devils: Romance in islam? Utter nonsense when these barbarians have no tastye for music,fine arts and good literature.
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No Sin In Islam
written by Truth Detector , September 10, 2009
Ashraf, what I've noticed about Islam is that they have legalized many things that otherwise would be sinful, and atrocious crimes.

For example, Islam teaches that polygamy is okay. To me, polygamy is legalized adultery. Polygamy is also giving the male Muslim the right to have his own private whorehouse.

About seven months ago, one Muslim dude was caught in a Muslim country with 85 wives. He was told by Islamic authorities that he was allowed only four wives. Probably there was a payoff of sorts because at the end this whoremonger Muslim male pervert was allowed to keep his 85 wives. Okay, Ashraf, don't you agree that this Muslim whoremonger owned a private whore house? If it isn't a private whorehouse, then what is it?

In some Muslim countries, old, depraved Muslim male sex perverts can legally kidnap a little girl. Then, the old, depraved Muslim male sex pervert can legally force the little child to "marry" him. Then the old, depraved Muslim male sex pervert can legally rape the child while the child screams for mercy. And a depraved old Muslim male sex pervert can get away with this criminal act because it is the "custom" of Islam, also because Islam allows these criminal actions. Did anyone ever ask these preyed upon, helpless little girls if they agree with this depraved Islamic "custom"?

A few months ago, an old depraved Muslim male sex pervert "married" and raped his seven year old "wife" in my civilized country, the USA. Many foreigners come here and commit such crimes. That's why our crime rate is very high. Well, to make a long story short, that dirty a**hole Muslim sex pervert, who "married" and raped that little child, is sitting in prison where he will live for a long time. The Muslim's argument, the "custom" et cetera, didn't have a chance in my civilized country. Personally, I hope that dirty a**hole Muslim pervert rots in jail.

In Islam territory, a woman is second class. Of course that is another sin that Islam has legalized. There are many more legalized sins in Islam too numerous to cite here. But I believe you get the drift.

By the way, I've noticed that Muslims are referring to "God" more and more and not to Allah. Are you ashamed to say Allah? I'll bet you know that we infidels have discovered that Allah is actually Satan, the god of cruelty, the god of violence, the god of Female Genital Mutilation, the god of suicide bombers, the god that allows women to be stoned to death while wild Muslims cheer, the god that allows Muslim male chauvinists to beat their wives, the god that allows Muslim male sex perverts to own their private whore houses, the god of war, the god who allows Muslims to tell big lies if it advances the evils of Islam, the god of hatred, the god that chops off hands, feet, gouges out eyes of petty thieves of both sexes, the god that hangs homesexuals by the neck until dead, the god that hangs males and females if these people are only suspected of homosexuality, the god of legalized adultery, the god of pedephilia, the god of kinky and violent ideas, the god of agression, the god that lashes women for non criminal innocent acts, the god of mysogyny, the god that promises 72 virgins if Muslims die in Allah's criminal causes, the god that calls Jews "apes and pigs," the god of incest, the god of Honor Killings, the god of deceit, the god that murders apostates because they no longer want to belong to a criminal religion called Islam, the god of arrogance, the god that thirsts for human blood, the god of agression, the god of death and destruction, the god of the Muslims, the god of Islam.
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to vbv,kafir,henri4,
written by peacelover , September 10, 2009
Is it wrong if women try to guard their modesty and show their beauty and ornaments to her husband? Do you think women should show their beauty and ornaments to anyone?

What is your intention from this article? Do you want the world hate people that believe in Islam? Do you want to create better world by doing this?

I don't see hating other people believe will help you to create better world.
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About Ashraf
written by Anti Clot , September 10, 2009
I do not write to Ashraf here because of his statement that he would not talk to non-believers etc. But I like to write about him because I think he is very representative for many muslims. They are always bragging that they know best because they have the best religion, the only true religion and that all other religions are untrue and that all muslims will go to heaven and that all others will go to hell. People like Ashraf are truly the worst thing that could happen to the islamic world because they are the ones who prevent any progress and development. There are less than 5% of all muslims who enjoy a living standard like in the western world, most of them living in the oil-rich gulf countries or as foreign workers in the west. The rest of the muslim world population is about equally divided into two groups: The first one has a living standard similar to that of Newly Industrialised Countries (NICs) with the main difference that most of them are not really industrialised. They are mostly also depending on oil which accounts for most exports and public income. And then there is the third group almost 50% of all muslims belong to which is downsinde of any poverty line because they do not have any oil or not enough oil and no industrialisation. So what is Ashraf bragging for? For the fact, that islam is the religion with the highest illiteracy-rates? With the lowest income per capita? Worst education? Worst health care systems? All the islamic world has is oil and we all know that oil is contributing to global warming and environmental desasters. But there is no contribution at all by islam in terms of science, technology and culture. Islam is only good for chaos, war and oppression! Is this what Ashraf is bragging for?
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Lust in the Satan\'s Son (Mohammed\'s) own Words.
written by manzikert , September 10, 2009
This has been compiled especially for people like Ashraf out here. Beware Ashraf.. This Mentally Retarded Criminal could have murdered you and raped your own wife and children... BEWARE

Lust

Qur'an 33:51 "You may have whomever you desire; there is no blame."
Tabari VIII:187 "The [sixty-two-year old] Messenger of Allah married Mulaykah. She was young and beautiful. One of the Prophet's wives came to her and said, 'Are you not ashamed to marry a man who killed your father during the day he conquered Mecca?" She therefore took refuge from him."
Qur'an 66:1 "O Prophet! Why forbid yourself that which Allah has made lawful to you? You seek to please your consorts."
Qur'an 66:4 "If you (women) turn in repentance to him, it would be better. Your hearts have been impaired, for you desired (the ban) [on how many girls Muhammad could play with at a time]. But if you back each other up against (Muhammad), truly Allah is his protector, and Gabriel, and everyone who believes - and furthermore, the angels will back (him) up."
Qur'an 66:5 "Maybe, if he divorces you (all), Allah will give him in exchange consorts better than you - submissive, faithful, obedient, adorers who worship, who travel, and are inclined to fasting - previously married or virgins."
Tabari VIII:117 "Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself. Muhammad gave Dihyah her two cousins instead." Ishaq:511 "When he protested, wanting to keep Safiyah for himself, the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims."
Bukhari:V5B59N524 "The Muslims said among themselves, 'Will Safiyah be one of the Prophet's wives or just a lady captive and one of his possessions?'"
Tabari VIII:110 "When Abu Sufyan learned that the Prophet had taken her, he said, 'That stallion's nose is not to be restrained!'"
Bukhari:V4B52N143
V5B59N523 "When we reached Khaybar, Muhammad said that Allah had enabled him to conquer them. It was then that the beauty of Safiyah was described to him. Her husband had been killed [by Muhammad], so Allah's Apostle selected her for himself. He took her along with him till we reached a place where her menses were over and he took her for his wife, consummating his marriage to her, and forcing her to wear the veil.'"
Tabari VIII:122
Ishaq:515 "Muhammad commanded that Safiyah should be kept behind him and he threw his cloak over her. Thus the Muslims knew that he had chosen her for himself."
Ishaq:517 "When the Apostle took Safiyah on his way out of town, she was beautified and combed, putting her in a fitting state for the Messenger. The Apostle passed the night with her in his tent. Abu Ayyub, girt with his sword, guarded the Apostle, going round the tent until he saw him emerge in the morning. Abu said, 'I was afraid for you with this woman for you have killed her father, her husband, and her people."
Qur'an 33:30 "O Consorts of the Prophet! If...any of you are devout, obedient, and submissive in the service to Allah and His Messenger, and does good, to her shall We grant her reward twice. We have prepared for her a generously rich provision."
Tabari IX:126 "The Messenger of Allah married fifteen women. He combined eleven at a time and left behind nine."
Ishaq:311 "The Apostle saw Ummu'l when she was a baby crawling before his feet and said, 'If she grows up, I will marry her.' But he died before he was able to do so."
Tabari VII:7 "The Prophet married Aisha in Mecca three years before the Hijrah, after the death of Khadija. At the time she was six." Ishaq:281 "When the Apostle came to Medina he was fifty-three."
Tabari IX:128 "When the Prophet married Aisha she very young and not yet ready for consummation."
Bukhari:V9B87N139-40 "Allah's Apostle told Aisha, 'You were shown to me twice in my dreams [a.k.a. sexual fantasies]. I beheld a man or angel carrying you in a silken cloth. He said to me, "She is yours, so uncover her." And behold, it was you. I would then say to myself, "If this is from Allah, then it must happen."'"
Tabari IX:131 "My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was then brought in while the Messenger was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. Then the men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old."
Tabari IX:133 "Juwayriyyah was chosen by the Messenger for himself on the day of the Muraysi raid from the captives." "Muhammad married Umm, who had embraced Christianity."
Tabari IX:134 "Muhammad took Zaynab [his daughter-in-law] but Allah did not find any fault in the [incestuous] relationship and ordered the marriage."
Tabari IX:135 "When the Prophet scrutinized the captives on the day of Khaybar, he threw his cloak over Safayah. Thus she was his chosen one." Tabari IX:139 "The Messenger married Ghaziyyah after the news of her beauty and skill had reached him."
Tabari IX:137 "Allah granted Rayhanah of the [Jewish] Qurayza to His Messenger as booty [but only after she had been forced to watch him decapitate her father and brother, seen her mother hauled off to be raped, and her sisters sold into slavery]."
Tabari IX:137 "Mariyah, a Copt slave, was presented to the Prophet. She was given to him by Muqawqis, the ruler of Alexandria."
Tabari IX:138 "The Prophet married Aliyyah, a Bakr woman. He gave her gifts for divorce and left her. He also married Qutaylah, but he died before he could consummate the marriage."
Tabari IX:139 "Layla approached the Prophet while his back was to the sun and clapped him on his shoulder. He asked her who it was and she replied, 'I am the daughter of one who competes with the wind. I am Layla. I have come to offer myself to you.' He replied, 'I accept.'" [Layla shared her story with her parents.] "They said, 'What a bad thing you have done! You are a self-respecting girl, but the Prophet is a womanizer.'"
Tabari IX:147 "A eunuch named Mubur was presented to Muhammad along with two slave girls. One he took as a concubine, the other he gave to Haasn."
Ishaq:186 "He took me into Paradise and there I saw a damsel with dark red lips. I asked her to whom she belonged, for she pleased me much when I saw her."
Bukhari:V4B52N211 "I participated in a Ghazwa [raid] with the Prophet. I said, 'Apostle, I am a bridegroom.' He asked me whether I had married a virgin or matron. I answered, 'A matron.' He said, 'Why not a virgin who would have played with you? Then you could have played with her.' 'Apostle! My father was martyred and I have some young sisters, so I felt it not proper that I should marry a young girl as young as them.'"
Tabari VIII:100 "The Messenger sent Hatib to Muqawqis, the ruler of Alexandria. Hatib delivered the letter of the Prophet, and Muqawqis gave Allah's Apostle four slave girls."
Bukhari:V9B86N98 "The Prophet said, 'A virgin should not be married till she is asked for her consent.' 'O Apostle! How will the virgin express her consent?' He said, 'By remaining silent.'"
Bukhari:V5B59N342 "Umar said, 'When my daughter Hafsa lost her husband in the battle of Badr, Allah's Apostle demanded her hand in marriage and I married her to him.'"
Tabari VIII:1 "In this year the Messenger married Zaynab bt. Jahsh [a first cousin: Allah's Messenger came to the house of Zayd bin [son of] Muhammad. Perhaps the Messenger missed him at that moment. Zaynab, Zayd's wife, rose to meet him. She was dressed only in a shift.... She jumped up eagerly and excited the admiration of Allah's Messenger, so that he turned away murmuring something that could scarcely be understood. However, he did say overtly, 'Glory be to Allah Almighty, who causes hearts to turn!' So Zayd went to Muhammad. 'Prophet, I have heard that you came to my house. Why didn't you go in? [Dad,] Perhaps Zaynab has excited your admiration, so I will leave her.'"
Tabari VIII:4 "One day Muhammad went out looking for Zayd. Now there was a covering of haircloth over the doorway, but the wind had lifted the covering so that the doorway was uncovered. Zaynab was in her chamber, undressed, and admiration for her entered the heart of the Prophet. After that Allah made her unattractive to Zayd.'"
Tabari VIII:3 "Zayd left her, and she became free. While the Messenger of Allah was talking with Aisha, a fainting overcame him. When he was released from it, he smiled and said, 'Who will go to Zaynab to tell her the good news? Allah has married her to me.' Then the Prophet recited [Qur'an 33] to the end of the passage. Aisha said, 'I became very uneasy because of what we heard about her beauty and another thing, the loftiest of matters, what Allah had done for her by personally giving her to him in marriage. I said that she would boast of it over us.'"
Qur'an 33:4 "Allah has not made your wives whom you divorce your mothers: nor has He made your adopted sons your sons. Such is (only) your (manner of) speech by your mouths."
Qur'an 33:6 "The Prophet has a greater claim on the faithful than they have on themselves, and his wives are their mothers.... This is written in the Book."
Qur'an 33:37 "You hid in your mind and your heart that which Allah was about to manifest: you feared the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear Allah. Then when Zayd had dissolved (his marriage) with her, with the necessary (formality), We gave her to you, joining her in marriage to you: in order that there may be no difficulty or sin for the Believers in the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And Allah's command must be fulfilled."
Qur'an 33:38 "There can be no difficulty, harm, or reproach to the Prophet in doing what Allah has ordained to him as a duty. It was the practice (approved) of Allah amongst those of old that have passed away. And the commandment of Allah is a decree determined. (It is the practice of those) who deliver the Messages of Allah, and fear Him. Allah keeps good account. Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Last of the Prophets with the Seal: and Allah has full knowledge of all things."
Qur'an 33:48 "And obey not (the behests) of the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites. Disregard their noxious talk and heed not their annoyances, but put thy trust in Allah. For enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs."
Qur'an 33:50 "O Prophet! We have made lawful to you all the wives to whom you have paid dowers; and those whom your hands possess out of the prisoners of war spoils whom Allah has assigned to you; and daughters of your paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of your uncles and aunts, who migrated with you; and any believing woman if the Prophet wishes her; this is a privilege for you only, and not for the rest of the Believers; We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom they possess; in order that there should be no difficulty for you and that you should be free from blame."
Qur'an 33:51 "You may put off whom you please, and you may take to you whomever you desire. You may defer any of them you please, and you may have whomever you desire; there is no blame on you if you invite one who you had set aside. It is no sin."
Qur'an 33:28 "O Prophet, say to your wives and consorts: 'If you desire this world's life and its glittering adornment, then come! I will provide them for your enjoyment and set you free in a handsome manner. And if you desire Allah and His Messenger and the latter abode, then lo! Allah hath prepared for the good-doers an immense reward."
Qur'an 33:30 "O Consorts of the Prophet! If any of you are guilty of unseemly conduct, shamelessness, or lewdness, the punishment will be doubled, and that is easy for Allah. But any of you that is devout, obedient, and submissive in the service to Allah and His Messenger, and does good, to her shall We grant her reward twice. We have prepared for her a generously rich provision."
Qur'an 33:32 "Consorts of the Prophet! You are not like any of the (other) women. Fear and keep your duty, lest one in whose heart is a disease should be moved with desire. Stay quietly in your apartment. Make not a dazzling display like that of the former times of Ignorance. Perform the devotion, pay the zakat; and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah wishes to cleanse you with a thorough cleansing. And bear in mind that which is recited in your houses of the revelations of Allah and the wisdom."
Qur'an 33:36 "It is not fitting for a Muslim man or woman to have any choice in their affairs when a matter has been decided for them by Allah and His Messenger. They have no option. If any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a wrong Path."
Qur'an 4:23 "Prohibited to you are: your mothers, daughters, sisters.... Also (prohibited are) women already married, except slaves who are captives." [Rape is okay with Team Islam.]
Bukhari:V5B59N459 "I entered the Mosque, saw Abu, sat beside him and asked about sex. Abu Said said, 'We went out with Allah's Apostle and we received female slaves from among the captives. We desired women and we loved to do coitus interruptus.'
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Islam and Moral
written by Anti Clot , September 10, 2009
According to very recent polls from Egypt, 60% of all egyptian and almost hundred % of all foreign women said they suffered sexual harassment in Egypt. So much about islamic morals.
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written by To Ashraf , September 10, 2009
Before you post a comment read carefully what is written, you fool
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written by someone , September 10, 2009
Ashraf can you refute any referances which manzikert has given above? if it is all in islam is ok then you should die with shame.I know a person who follow a womanizer who took his own daughter(daughter in law is like a own daughter) for sex has no shame at all.What a beautiful religion islam is.shame on you.
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Modesty of Mohammad
written by to ashraf , September 10, 2009
Mohammad was nothing but a rectille penis in human form.His brain was between his legs and penis in his brain.When ever his penis ejaculated in his brain,he came up with the satanic verses called quran.He was too ignorant to know that Holy Mary was never one of the Holy Trinity.There was polygandry in Arabia,practiced by Arab women at the time of birth of Mohammad.Women allowed a nummber of men to sleep with her for her upkeep.Can Ashraf prove that Abed-Allah was married to Mohammads mother?.There is no historical record as to who fathered him.What happened to his alleged father?where and when did he die and where is his grave?Why did his mother hand him over to the Beduin family to nurse him,so that she could continue entertaing her clients.Mohammad came from an immoral background,which is reflected in his unholy character through out his life.To call him holy is an insult to the word holy.Ashraf ,can you prove from your Islamic sources that Abed-Allah was the natural father of Mohammad.Your offence against the Christian faith is the best form of defence because Islam and Mohammad are indefencible
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muslimahs are slave of bearded muslims
written by Marco Polo , September 10, 2009
allah is a imaginary male god created by the rapist, cheap thug muhammed.
A muslim man can do incest and sex with kaffir women. He can rape her as per 'right hand possessed'. Its not a crime in Sharia. muhammed the thug wanted his 'mental believers ' to rape kaffirs.
No religion allows either male or women incest but only Islam allows incest for males.
Muhammed although claimed to have power of '30 men' in sex but unable to produce even one healthy male child. What a shame?
He mostly used to do oral sex and aisha has noted correctly how he used to lick her and other women in between the legs.
Shame on muslims for following the thug muhammed.
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Extramarital sex in Islam
written by Ashraf , September 10, 2009
According to quranic aya 33.50, only our prophet (PBUH) was allowed to have extramarital sex with any woman who offers herself to him and also with his right hand posessionsons. All muslim men are allowed extramarital sex only with their right hand posessions . This is what quran says and that is what our prophet practised. If any one who disagrees with me is an ignorant A-hole.
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And That\'s religion???
written by Paulo , September 10, 2009
[color=blue]According to quranic aya 33.50, only our prophet (PBUH) was allowed to have extramarital sex with any woman who offers herself to him and also with his right hand posessionsons. All muslim men are allowed extramarital sex only with their right hand posessions . This is what quran says and that is what our prophet practised. If any one who disagrees with me is an ignorant A-hole.

And that religion???

You people are utterly depraved and you don't even know it
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Great Ashraf..
written by Manzikert , September 10, 2009
Ashraf has finally accepted that that Mentally Retarded Criminal was a rapist, a disgraceful Asshole and all muslim men can have sex with Slaves... This is a SIN against God.. So Ashraf your so called Prophet was a Prophet of Satan, Satan's son.. Keep it up Ashraf.
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Ashraf - \"The infidels know of no sin!\"
written by Free Infidel and proud of it. , September 10, 2009
Ashraf - "The infidels know of no sin! That is why everything is allowed and doable to them, and that is why they see it as no big deal that 95% (if not even more) of their people are basically, in plain English, whores! These polytheist trinitarian infidels are so lost and so desperate that they really are in a desperate need for Islam!! Islam is their absolute ONE and ONLY solution, not their false god whom they falsely and unjustly turned him into GOD despite the fact that the man clearly said that he was not:"

Totally, totally wrong!!!!

Firstly, most Westerners are not professing/practicing Christians anyway, as religious freedom is valued in the West, and no-one becomes a Christian except by choice - somone whispering in your ear when you are born is NOT enough!! Our God values our freedom too.

Free men and women don't need to be hidden in mobile tents or flogged or stoned to make them behave themselves. Don't confuse TV shows and celebrity gossip with real life. How many practising Christians do you actually know?? And what do you know about how they live?
So don't call us all whores, it just makes you sound ignorant and rude.

"According to quranic aya 33.50, only our prophet (PBUH) was allowed to have extramarital sex with any woman who offers herself to him and also with his right hand posessionsons" - That says it all really - We all know it's wrong, but he did it - what a perfect example!!! - I'll stick with Jesus thanks, he never did anything like this.

And yes, ftr, Jesus plainly and repeatedly claimed to be 'one with the Father' - which is what got him killed. And yes, he was killed, it's one of the best evidenced facts in the ancient world. Just because it was extremely convenient to Muhammed over 600 years later to deny it doesn't make it untrue.

What you make of that is up to you, but I suggest you have a long, hard, think about it. Then try engaging your brain before you next open your mouth.
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Nobody will Disagree with Ashraf about this...
written by Manzikert , September 10, 2009
Dear Ashraf, this is wot all of us have been trying to tell you all this while... Mohammed was a Mentally Retarded Criminal and the Koran is full of Bullshit like you rightly pointed out in the above verse. Thank you Ashraf..... and as you have been disagreeing with us whenever we pointed out Rubbish in the Koran and Hadiths all this while as u said U ACCEPT THAT UR AN IGNORANT A-HOLE?? RIGHT Ashraf????

According to quranic aya 33.50, only our prophet (PBUH) was allowed to have extramarital sex with any woman who offers herself to him and also with his right hand posessionsons. All muslim men are allowed extramarital sex only with their right hand posessions . This is what quran says and that is what our prophet practised. If any one who disagrees with me is an ignorant A-hole.
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ISLAAM is based on sex,pedo,sodomy,sex slavery
written by Globe Trotter , September 10, 2009
TO ASHRAF - Your ISLAMIC ALLA is sex maniac, pimp, sex slave lurer, vengeful low , bloodthirsty killer. Read all of QQURRAN ,SIRA, HADITHS. Premarietal sex in ISLAM is only to make women subservient, sex slaves to attend to the man's lust and fornication. It is BIzarre - to any thinking intellectual, that ALLA (MO ) rewards believers all the time with sex inducements- like &72 Houris in JANNA , and 27 prepubescent boys - to JIHADISTS for killing kufrs,infidels,nonbelievers. Moslem men can marry and have 4 wives at a time ( limitless if the mussalman divorces and remarries ) . The Moslem man has the great weapon in his arsenal to make any moslem women sex slave and trembling at his sight , divorce called - TALAQ , TALAQ, TALAQ !!!! Also a Moslem woman cannot marry a nonmoslem man !!! but a moslem man has the right to marry any nonmoslem woman , even if she is married and has sexual relationship with nonmoslem man !!! All this proves - ISLAM is a Bizarre , wierd religion, very primitive,uncivilized ,cruel, very discriminatory,very unequal ( between moslems and nonmoslems, between moslem men and moslem women and between different sects, castes of ISLAM. A Quraishi moslem will not marry a hyder or siddiqui. A ARAB moslem women or arab Moslem man will not marry a nonarab moslem man ! This is all true. Ashraf - please answer all the points raised here by me .
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In islam rape victims always offer her to rapist
written by Marco Polo , September 10, 2009
Only when you debate with fanatic muslims like ashraf , then you can get how muslim mind works.
I hope ashraf or other muslims should go to a 1st standard or nursery school and see some 6 year girls and see how come these female kids offer there bodies to a 53 year old thug. Muslims have sold there all shame to worship the rapist, mentally sick muhammed.
Also ashraf, Rayhana of Banu Qurayza rejected muhammed and that thug raped her and forced her to be concubine. He raped her on the same night when he killed his father and brother.
We have no doubt muhammed is in deepest of hell and God is making sure that thug gets enough suffering.

Dont you muslims any shame???
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Easier to preach... Difficult to practice!!!
written by JohanM , September 10, 2009
There is an old saying, almost in all languages around the world, it is easier to preach then practice. Even great Prophet Mohammed was not untouched from this. Does not matter what he preached but what matters what he practiced.

He preached that all believers must not have wives more then 4 at one time. He himself had 11 or 12 wives.

He preached that all believers must be away from adultery but he himself practiced the adultery.

He preached widows can be re-married but he himself did not want his own widows to be defiled by any other believer so he practiced ultimate hypocrisy here and declared his wives are the "mothers of believers" so he prevented his own wives to re-marry after he gone.

In last years of his life he tried his best thru various sermons that leadership (caliphate) of his Ummah must remain in the hands of his direct decendents. For muslims their lineage passes thru the son but Prophet himself was exempted from this rule and he wanted his lineage thru the daughters (because he did not have son). That is why his own "Sahabas" they betrayed him and took control of the Ummat-e-muslima. Even prophets own daughter Fatimah was betrayed by the Sahabas and were not given the property of Mohammed to her. They tried to disgrace her from right after the death of Prophet.

He prevented his wives to re-marry because he did not want to let go the leadership of Ummah to someone else but remain in his own family. Just imagine if any other believer got married with his widows he or his decendents might have claimed the leadership of Ummat-e-muslima or legacy of Muhammed.
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@Ashraf
written by Someone , September 10, 2009
We are the ones who alter history? Excuse me, but muslims are the ones who burned the libraries of countries they conquered and have pretty much succeeded in destroying nearly everything from Saudi Arabia in pre-Islamic times. Not only that, but now they're destroying sacred buildings and idols of other religions as well. And who exactly is prohibiting excavations in their countries again? Oh right, muslims.

Seriously, get a clue man. Stop being so ignorant. The West doesn't alter history, we accept history and learn from it.

Also, we're not the ones who translated the Quran and Ahadith, it were Arab literate muslims who offered translations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_Yusuf_Ali
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmaduke_Pickthall

Keep coming up with worthless excuses to keep clinging to your desert death cult.
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written by Someone , September 10, 2009
You can be modest without dressing up in a desert ninja suit. Where are the veiled men? Oh wait, there aren't any. All you do is grow a beard. Why should women be forced to guard their modesty but men don't?

If God exists then women's beauty is a gift from God. You should be admiring God's creation, not cloaking it from everyone but their husbands.

We don't want the world to hate people who believe in Islam. We want people that believe in Islam to realize that it's a fraud and that it's far from peaceful, tolerant and any other positive term it claims to be.
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written by Someone , September 10, 2009
Doesn't this ring a bell? Why would a prophet of God, who is supposed to set an example for all mankind, be allowed to trespass the very rules bestowed by this God on mankind? Perhaps because... you know... Allah doesn't exist and it's just an alias for Muhammad to legitimize his sexual frustration and aggressive nature?

There are dozens of ayas in the Quran which give special privileges to Muhammad only and pretty much all relevant Quranic verses were revealed AFTER Muhammad had to deal with a certain subject. Any logical person would see that this self-proclaimed pedo prophet is obviously coming up with bullshit to manipulate people to satisfy his own needs and ego. It's really saddening that 1400 years later, and more than a thousand years after his death, he is still misleading 1.5 billion people.
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written by JohanM , September 10, 2009
Whenever muslim apologists feels uncomfortable by the questions raised by curious muslims or non-muslims they simply reject the hadiths and say this particular hadiths is bida (invention in religion). But they themselve practice all those in their life. No non-muslim has ever collected a hadith only the honoured Islamic scholars have collected them.
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To Ashraf
written by A Reader , September 10, 2009
Oh Ashraf, you are so cool! I am so impressed by your comments that are really amazing and exciting to me that I am now touching my posessionions with my right hand and it is soooo exciting! Didnt you teach that we can have sex with our right hand posesionions? Yes, you are so right and such a good muslim! I try to imagine how you may look like and I think you must be very handsome, so masculine and so dominant with a long beard and maybe a long d**k too! Please, please! Tell us more about morals and how to please Allah! Aaah! My right hand touches what it posessionions!!! Yeaaahh! So great!
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ASHRAF is AKA - ZAKIR or from his gang of Mussalma
written by Globe Trotter , September 10, 2009
HAI ASHRAF - ISLAM is the most primitive,evil,wicked, cruel,bloodthirsty religion. I dont know why the world is tolerating , nay treating this most evil cult with great compassion and generosity. For women ISLAM is real hell. Remember ISLAM invented the right hand possessions ( called slaves ) for sex !!! ISLAM invented HAREMs . In INDIA , Moslem rulers used to have harems - about upwards of 5000 women- captured by JIHADISTS ( all unmarried women ) - in their harems ,gaurded by eunuchs - this is all invention of ISLAM/ QQURRAN/ MO / ALLA. This is so cruel and madness - beyond human imagination - but Mussalmans invented with their wicked theology from ALLA. Another most vicious thing that in case of rape - a Moslem woman needs 4 moslem men as witnesses !!! which means that 4 Moslem men must be watching a woman being raped , penetration !!!! what an invention by MO !!! Moslem women are not allowed as witnesses .
Ofcourse what we are discussing here is about Moslem women only. ALL nonmoslem women are real game for moslem men for rape, deceit, Taqiyya, premarietal sex ,slavery . Please prove to me that whatever I wrote is not true . It is your chance.
I tell to the world - that ISLAM must be outlawed and consigned to the ash heap of history - as ISLAM is darkness, incompatible with ggod,progressive,liberal,compassionate ,equal , human civilization.
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HAI peacelover - Ur ISLAMIC TAQIYYA in play
written by peacelover too. , September 10, 2009
Hey - you have stolen my name. By using this name you think you can get awat with murder,rape, loot,as in ISLAM !!! ISLAM is hatred.ISLAM is poison,ISLAM is bloodthirsty,ISLAM is fascism,ISLAM is intolerant, totalitarianism, ISLAM=murder,rape. Which one is not true in this ? Why Moslem countries declare as ISLAMIC and have separate ,privilged rules,laws alone for Moslems and all nonmoslems, moslem women, Nonmoslem faiths are treated with hatred ? where is equality in Moslem countries, moslem societies ? If you talk of hatred- ISLAM is hatred , ISLAM is killing,ISLAM is discrimnation. ISLAM is inequality.ISLAM is antiwomen .
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written by Stranger to Ashraf , September 10, 2009
I would like to request every muslim please do not visit these web sits,Aslam Watch and faith freedom.After reading a comments of Kafirs about our holy prophet peace be upon him and quran how a muslim can sleep peacfuly? It seems that Mr,Khan and Dr,Ali Sana have determination to destroyed the islam.
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Stranger, Ur an Idiot!!
written by Manzikert , September 10, 2009
Stranger, All comments on this site are based upon the Quran, Hadiths, Sira, and wotever book u STUPID nutcases call holy. We are not against people like you in person, we just want u BRAINWASHED Zombies to understand that Mohammed, The Son of Satan was a Mentally Retarded Criminal. U can go thru the Compilation I have come up wid on your Beloved Mentally Retarded Criminal. Prove that wotever we say wid references to your Crazy Dumb Holy Bullshit Books are false and these sites will have to shut down. But if u cant prove it, my advise will be to stop DEFENDING the Indefensible Mentally Retarded Son of Satan (Mohammed the Asshole) and try to be a HUMAN....
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Dear M.A. Khan...
written by Rex , September 10, 2009
I have been visiting your site ever since I came across your article on FFI. FYI, I have been following Ali Sina's writings since the days of Golshani.com.

Anyways, just to let you know, I am not a Muslim just by twist of fate. One of my parents left the religion to marry the other despite all the attendant danger and threats. Otherwise, I would have been born a Muslim and perhaps still be stuck in that cult.

I have come across quite a lot of half hearted Muslims from the sub-continent and the more I get to know them the more I am beginnig to realize that many of these fine folks would leave the death cult provided they are given enough encouragement and empowerment. Yet, they don't have a source to look up to.

Back home, they are stuck in the Muslim ghetto and under absolute and suffocating domination by the Mullahs and abandoned by the political big wigs. They are stuck with little hope and what recourse they have is Allah and the Quran.

Weather they really believe or not, since nothing else is happening and nowhere else to direct their hope, they hoplessly hope in Allah. These people need to be helped. I really really think you could play a big role here. After all they are your people just as they are my people.

The more I get to know the happenings here in the west, the more I am beginning to realize that many people in this part of the world don't give much weight to genuine folks like you, Ali Sina, Nonnie Darwish, Wafa Sultan or Dr. Sami Arraba. Instead people give much weight to the phonies like Karen Armstrong. Is this out of stubbornness or some other mental defect? I don't know and of late I don't much care. I am beginning to seriously think the real battle is back in South Asia. You are very much needed there.

On top of it, I am beginning to see that Iran is the soft underbelly of Islam and closely followed by Islam of India. Thus a good campaign could be waged that could effect both Shiah and Sunni wings of Islam simultaneously.

Muslims of India need you.

Rex.
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Forced marriages in ISLAM !!!!
written by Globe Trotter , September 10, 2009
To SABINA KHAN : Now after reading all comments above,based on truth and ISLAMIC facts, you have good understanding where ISLAM stands about the marriage of a Moslem child. At least in most cases , the Moslem girls are underaged , particularly in pure moslem countries like SAUDI, SUDAN, SOMALIA,Iran, IRAQ,EGYPT ,yemen . AS I unserstand the moslem child do not have a clue about the bridegroom and the parents or others , mullas decide on this. On the marriage day the bride is brought and the gromm comes and both moslem child bride and the old haggard Moslem bridegroom sit separately in their designated rooms . The IMAM goes to them ,read the groom name and ask the bride whether she agrees for this ( But everything was predetermined ) and the poor moslem child bride says KABOOL HAI , KABOOL HAI , ( means agreed, agreed ) , after the gromm did so simialry infront of the IMAM . Now the marriage is over. Feast of animal meat starts. ................. Now, Sabina Khan - please let us know from which country you are . Also please let us know how Moslems performs the marriages in their respective countries !!! This is very important . In ISLAM marriage is forced on the child bride by their parents ,decided by them even without talking with the girl about her marriage . Also ,please explain the procedure for marriage between a Moslem man and a moslem child girl .
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Correctly analyzed
written by Rustom , September 10, 2009
There are many problems in defeating islam as of now:
1. The mullahs inject too much hatred towards kaffirs into the minds of muslims. They target the nearest kaffir. In west they target christians, in india -pakistan-bangladesh they target hindus. In thailand they target buddhists, in israel they target jews
2. Muslims discourage themselves to read more or to develop critical thinking.
3. Development of victim mentality and selective study of islamic history.
4. More concentration on the few discrepancies of kaffir civilization and ignoring all the good.
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written by Someone , September 11, 2009
Just like Islam has the determination to destroy anything that is not Islam?

You were very right in your statement. How CAN muslims sleep peacefully after we expose your prophet and texts in so many ways? You know what's stopping you from sleeping well? It's your (God given, if you will) conscience telling you that you should step out of Islam because it's not what it claimed to be and is in fact detrimental to mankind as a whole. It's feeling guilty over admiring a pedophile warboss who self-appointed him to the position of prophet of God. WAKE UP!
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written by Someone , September 11, 2009
You're right. We have the information to free them, but it isn't reaching them and when it reaches them there's no one to defend them.

This whole "exposing Islam" movement should perhaps take it a step further. Spread the word, confront muslims in public. Hell, try to get airtime on TV or radio shows.

We all know how Islam came to be so deeply embedded in the minds of so many people. Constant repeating and indoctrination make people believe things even if they are lies. If you can make people believe in lies by constant repetition of sayings and confronting them with it every single day, then doing the same thing except with the truth should be even easier!

Right now Islam is the agressor in the conflict. It's spreading taqqiya everywhere, muslims are getting plenty of airtime to preach false conclusions about their religion. The people who dare to be critical of Islam in public are in such few numbers that they are just labeled as "racist individuals" and then get thrown aside. We should unite and stand fast, make it impossible for muslims to dance around the facts anymore. It's the duty of people who have realized the truth about Islam to free the muslims from their mental prisons, as they are and will always be the number one victims of their religion.
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Sealing of Prophecy
written by ARK , September 11, 2009
I think that two of the main flaws of Islam are not yet questioned.

1) There is an easy and apparent proof that Islam is only made up by "Moh" and the Quran is not a God's verses, but the self-styled Prophet's verses. I am talking about SEAL OF PROPHECY. If there is a need in the world, why will not Allah think of sending another "Prophet" to the earth. GOing through various arguements, it seems Quran is having quite a lot of errors and in most cases, interpretations can be very much of variance. Essentially, there are ambiguities in the verses of GOd himself. If one assumes that Hadiths provide more insight to Islam, there are many arguements that Hadith is not exactly GOd's words and there may be inconsistencies in them. Many Muslims prefer not to defend the Hadiths. Atleast to clarify on the Quran and Hadiths after 1400 years, Allah must send another Prophet, but Moh sealed his fate by declaring that he is the "Final Prophet" which leaves Allah with no more option. This is an apparent fallacy of Islam.

2)Any religion must undergo revalidation after a long time, precisely 1400 years. SOme religious texts which were written on particular contexts of a region and some type of people may not be valid universally after so many years. The God should validate them by sending more prophets or the religious scholars must research to validate the religious holy texts uptodate. The Islamic countries prevent any interrogation on the holy text or the Prophet's life, which in itself will block the thought process. The Muslims have no other option except to mug-up or blindly follow without interrogating any of the 1400 years old texts. Every country updates their constitutions and laws periodically to be in tune with times. In many religions, new saints evolve who research on their religion to come up with more clarity or direction. Islam blocks freedom of thought even on true interrogation of it's holy texts.
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Sealing of Prophecy-2
written by ARK , September 11, 2009
It may not be neccesary for many other religions for validation of it's holy texts, but for Islam, it is very much necessary. Why are some Moderates and some Extremists. What is the opinion of the Moderates on the Extremists ? The Mderates may say that the Extremists are enemies of Islam and they are not true followers of the relgion. On the contrary, the Extremists may call the moderates as being not true followers. So Islam today stands on ambiguity and lack of understanding. After so may bomb blasts and suicide attacks, the Muslims should have attempted in a mass scale to determine the correct version to be followed by everyone who practices Islam, but they never came up. The whole world which includes the beleivers and non-beleivers wants to know why there is so much violence throughout the world in the name of one particular religion.
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pls slow down
written by Ashraf , September 11, 2009
coz, u've really run out of the topic, baby... slow down... don get lost...get some water first...
what u've talked above was very much nonsense... is this the way an educated west thinks? hw sad and incompeting...?
well, cme on, let me shut yo mouth with accurate reply...
u don writ to me, u write about me? did u really writ about me or did writ 2 me? no issues topic is different
well, you talked about living standard can i ask one question what is the logic or reason behind living, buddy? u may say to enjoy...eh? if this is yo answer... thats the hugge diff b/w u n us.
I'd lik to tell u something about yo livin standard one by one:
1. All muslim country is exploited by the west
2. The major desgusting point of yo living standard is open sex.
3. The west looted almost every country in the world
4. No respect for elders.
5. No respects for women u want to c them naked all time to keep yo cock up always
6. Racism as if yo superior(blady piglets)
7. Divorce, Suicide, Rape, Abuse of Drugs, pscho murderor at a record high
8. greedy

HEALTH CARE:
you think muslims are prety much away of health caring? you thought wrong as always u westerns do
let me disnghish u and us
1. Smoking is forbidden in Islam not in yo Bibal
2. Alcohol is prohibited in Islam
3. pre-marital sex is not allowed
4. illegal sex, drugs not allowed
5. pork is not allowed
6. spitting while in the toilet, breathing with mouth opened, and talking is not be done
7. Eating to much is not allowed
But you people do what is not to do,,, why the hell then you say yo so health caring? how can u say that idiot
Our Prophet said, the vast majority of you suffer from health problem, pray with Allah for your good health, he also said no one in this world is of 100% healthy...

what els, i must hav left something to writ here, the list goes on man...

Do u know y Muslims do not stick to yo living std?
Our beloved prophet Muhammad(Peace and blessing be upon him) used to pray to Allah to keep him poor always... the living std yo talkin about will get a man out of his own control, and forget Allah and will be engaged in many sins lik u... we don lik yo life stly n livin std, it's disgustin lik a pig..
All i want to say u that keep anylysin things properly, and know things before analysing... u jus keep reading my comments... thank u.
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Islam\'s warped values
written by Shafee al-Zindig , September 11, 2009
Islam truly is a strange religion. It forbids sex outside of marriage and even masturbation. On the other hand it perversely permits sex with "those whom your right hands possess".

A lot of Muslims make an erroneous assumption and take this to mean only having sex with slave-girls. To those who really understand Arabic, “right-hand possessions” (ma malakat aymanuhum) actually refers to all mobile property – female slaves, male slaves and even animals. (Incidentally this can also include sex toys like vibrators)

So this really means Allah permits sex with all of them and not just females. That is why the Quran refers to female virgins (Houris) and pearly boys (Gilmans). So the next time you hear about a moola sexually abusing boys, just remember Allah has permitted it and the moola knows his Quran a lot better than the apologists who come here ranting and raving and denying that Islam permits it.

Oh yes, you read correctly - right-hand possessions also includes animals, so bestiality is permitted and there is no verse in the Quran which forbids it. As per Ayatollah Khomeini, the learned scholar of Islam who is revered by millions of Muslims throughout the world:

“A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine." (Quotes above are from Ayatollah Khomeini's book, Tahrirolvasyleh, vol. 4, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990, Source: Homa)

I am sure some Sunni Muslims are going to come here frothing at the mouth saying this only applies to wicked Shias as Khomeini was one. Can they prove this scholar wrong though with verses from the Quran?

There you have people - Islam forbids sex outside of marriage and instead permits atrocities like sex with both male and female slaves, bestiality, beheadings, bombings, hangings, floggings, crucifixions, chopping off hands, genital mutilations, wife beatings, polygamy and intolerance for others. Speaking of warped values!
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All kafirs visit this site
written by Ashraf , September 11, 2009
All kafirs who want to know what is Islam and real christianity just visit this site
http://www.answering-christianity.com/notorious_sinners.htm
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Ashraf stop barking up the wrong Tree
written by Manzikert , September 11, 2009
The topics discussed on this is site are about Mohammed, the one and only Son of Satan..... All references here are based on you Holy Bullshit Quran and the Hadiths and Sira (The whole lot of Rotten books straight from the Mouth of Satan's Son).... UR Off topic arguments and cursing and crying only MEAN one thing.. That wotever is Said abt the Mentally Retarded Criminal (Mohammed, the Son of Satan) and the Holy Bullshit Quran (Which is directly from Satan to the Son of Satan's Rotten Mouth) is TRUE AND ONLY THE TRUTH.....All the Best.. May God forgive U for Worshipping the Satan.
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I guess few experiments were done!
written by Rustom , September 11, 2009
I guess Bahai or earlier Sikhism were good religions to which muslims should have converted. islam is a rotten mass. islam cant survive without infidels. As muslims are like parasites and muhammed never taught any good things for doing business or doing innovation or doing ethical business etc. He made them parasites and must loot infidels.
Spit on koran and filthy muslims and there irrational beliefs.
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correction
written by truthseeker , September 11, 2009
Dear vbv,

I feel rather sorry for you, for someone must really have hurt you for you to be so hateful.
The comments you have made are unsubstantiated and untrue. Perhaps if you looked at the status and rights of the muslim woman from the CORRECT sources you will find that a muslim man can only marry more than one wife if he can treat all of them equally. Your history sources are also unauthentic. the Prophet Muhammad (May Allah's peace and blessings be on him), married each of his wives for specific reasons, and by the way do any of your dodgy sources have quotes from any of them as to how they were treated?
Nowhere in the Quran does Allah say a women must wear a "black tarpaulin...their way".

Perhaps your view is an "extremist" one?!
Saudi Arabia has changed since the time of Muhammad (Allah's peace and blessings on him), and just like in the times of Abraham, Noah, Moses and Jesus, SATAN is hard at work to corrupt and distract people from the truth. This is apparent globally.

By the way, I know of innumerable non-muslim men, who cheat on their wives, beat them up, gamble, are drunkards , fornicators, rapists, paedophiles, opressors, dictators, who do not allow their children to go school(and prefer to stay home and abuse them), who rather collect government allowances, who murder and pillage.

Islam is the perfect religion, it is we humans who are imperfect, and surely Allah is most Forgiving and most Merciful.


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correction
written by truthseeker , September 11, 2009
Dear vbv,

I feel rather sorry for you, as someone must have done something really bad to you for you to be so hateful.

Firstly, Islam is about equality, and a man is only permitted to have more than one wife if he can treat them equally. They have to answer to their Maker for their intentions and actions.

Secondly, your history sources are not authentic. The prophet Muhammad (Allah's peace and blessings on him) only married for specific reasons, and by the way do any of your dodgy sources have quotes from any of his wives as to how he treated them? You would do well to dispel your ignorance by choosing authentic literature.

Thirdly, nowhere in the Quran does it say a woman must wear a "black tarpaulin....her way"!
Perhaps your view is "extremist"?!

Saudi Arabia is not the same now as in the time of Muhammad (Allah's peace and blessings on him), and just as in the time of Abraham, Noah, Moses, Jesus (Allah's peace upon them all), SATAN is working his best to distract people and drive them away from the truth.

I know of innumerable non-muslim men, who cheat on their wives, beat them up, gamble, are drunkards, do not send their children to school (hence the ignorant and illiterate people globally), who prefer to abuse their children and sit and collect government handouts, who rape, murder and pillage.

Islam is the perfect religion, it is humans that are imperfect, and surely Allah is most Forgiving and Most Merciful.
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written by Someone , September 11, 2009
An all powerful, all knowing God would've been capable of providing rules that wouldn't need any change. Not even after 1400 years. The only reason the religion needs change after 1400 years is because it's obviously not from God but it is manmade, and since men can't look into the future they only have a very limited imagination of what to expect of the world in a thousand or more years.

This is why, instead of changing and progressing, religions demonize anything that IS subject to change and in constant progression to improve life on earth. They're so indoctrinated to believe that their scripture is from God that they can't believe that an environment based on human knowledge leads to way better living environments. Therefore they come up with bogus arguments to make these (superior) environments inferior in the minds of their followers. The way Zakir Naik talks about polygamy is a perfect example on what I'm talking about.

They know deep in their hearts that changing things in their religion is insanely hypocritical, as at they same time they claim their religion comes from God himself and also claim that he is all-knowing. Changing things in their religion would expose their religion as being a total joke, as they would jeopardize the very God they "believe" in. Muslims know this and that's why they keep clinging on to Islam so vigorously.

Believing in a God somewhat makes sense. Following a religion however, does not.
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written by Someone , September 11, 2009
Deep down inside muslims want Islam to rule the world. Any muslim who says he or she wouldn't want Islam to be the only religion on the world is a liar.

Deep down inside they also know that there's no way this goal will ever be achieved by conversation and debating, as many citizens on this earth have enough of an intelligent mindset to discard their fraudulent "religion from God". They know that force is the only way Islam will ever dominate this world, as history has proven. Islam was a complete joke in Mecca, when it was being preached peacefully. Once Islam managed to build some armies and got themselves weaponry, they managed to conquer the entire Middle East and North Africa in a 100 years or so.

This is one of the reasons why muslims won't speak out. They know that in reality all those suicide bombers and mujahideen are working on fulfilling their dream vision of the world. But at the same time they also want to live a happy life and enjoy the earthly pleasure available in the West. This is also why there has never been any form of apology coming from a muslim majority country after terrorist attacks... instead we see their citizens dancing in the street and celebrating. Only in the West you have a few muslims who pick up the task of taqqiya to charm their Western hosts long enough until they can finally overthrow them.

The other reason is that when a muslim publically speaks out against these terrorists, they will be shunned by the muslim community they live in during their private lives. Therefore, they choose to remain silent.
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written by Someone , September 11, 2009
You just don't learn, don't you? Attacking Christianity will not make us feel sympathetic towards your religion which is just as terrible if not worse.

Even IF Islam was better than Christianity, it's still far worse than deism, agnosticism or atheism.

Christianity has been attacked, criticized and exposed a long time ago. Now the bell tolls for Islam. Soon Islam will be just as sad as you view Christianity right now, and the joke will be on you.
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How can a fool compare Jesus with Mo?
written by To Ashraf , September 11, 2009
Have you studied 'New testament'? Jesus was such a great personality who never did harm to anybody. He never harmed killed or hurt any human being of animal etc. Lived a simple and modest life.
What about Muhammed, he used to so much addicted to sex that he even allowed sex with children and animals. How can a sane person believe in muhammed? Infact in old testament at some places stoning was done, while Jesus eradicated it.
Mo liked brutality and he sanctioned it and started it again. Shame on muslims
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Sex with animals is Haram
written by Ashraf , September 11, 2009
Sex with any animal is haram and is not allowed in Islam. Only Shia muslims practice it and they are really not muslims. They also practice "muta" which is prostituition. They also rape virgins before executing them which is not allowed in islam.Rape is strictly prohibited in Islam any ways. All sex must be consensual that too with wives and right hand posessions What our prophet never did is not Islam.
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To Ashraf
written by John , September 11, 2009
Imam Khomeini in his book wrote that islam allows sex with all animals, you say islam does not allow it. Khomeini was a very learned imam and you are not. Are you sure your prophet did not do animals. Didnt he do crazy things like bathing, and performing wudu in dirty water from a pond with dead dogs and menstrual blood, what will keep him from doing other crazy things?

Abu Dawood ,Book 1, Number 0066:

Narrated AbuSa'id al-Khudri:

The people asked the Messenger of Allah (peace_be_upon_him): Can we perform ablution out of the well of Buda'ah, which is a well into which menstrual clothes, dead dogs and stinking things were thrown? He replied: Water is pure and is not defiled by anything

Abu Dawood,Book 1, Number 0067:

Narrated AbuSa'id al-Khudri:

I heard that the people asked the Prophet of Allah (peace_be_upon_him): Water is brought for you from the well of Buda'ah. It is a well in which dead dogs, menstrual clothes and excrement of people are thrown. The Messenger of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) replied: Verily water is pure and is not defiled by anything.
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written by cabelman , September 11, 2009
Is Premarital Relationship and Romance Allowed in other religions?
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written by cabelman , September 11, 2009
by the way, why so much hate
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Right hand possessed means harem culture
written by To Ashraf , September 11, 2009
Right hand possesses means attacking innocent women and doing forced sex and Mo knew nobody can get 4 witnesses, so women are doomed.
He created a cult called Islam, where muslim men are like mad dogs for creating harem.
Do you father , grandfather goes to get right hand possession or happy with your 4 mothers or 4 grandmothers?
Also your father can rape your wive or wives as per the example of thug muhammed
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Allah created females less intelligent than man
written by To Muslimahs , September 11, 2009
Allah claim through muhammed that female are less intelligent and female are tilth of man.
Recently a girl from gaza did sex change and became a muslim men, so does her intelligence increased?
Now crearly science can alter the law of allah as science can change a man to female and vice verse, so the few verses of allah are not valid.
Point to consider..
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What is your god, fool?
written by Ashraf , September 11, 2009
A dead human being? An well oil painted idol which can not feel even u piss off on it? the God who's mother, not selfsustaining?

Hmmmm I'v got an idea for u, u write your own book lik false bibal and dress lik you god, roam the world saying peace peace and peace u can also become a god(new god)

You infidels never understand the truth no matter how much we come with correct answer, showing proper Qur'anic refernces...

you've got nothing in yo bibal which back up yo argument so u talk about yo luxurios, fake lifestyle and freedom giving disgusting exmpls, and think yoselvs as educated. Are you guys really educated? No, only bookish knowledge doesn mean yo educated, yo live like animals i cant c any diff b/w u and animals i can say tht coz I many times told you idiots that there's no killing in Islam, Islam doesn allow killing any people, scuicide bombing etc. Allah says the persons who commit suicide, kill people and the womens show their skins will not even be able smell the fragrence of the heaven. some idiot asked y only women hv to cover their body, not men? such a stupid question i didn want to answer too... but i'l answer saying him whoeve he is to find the diff b/w man and woman. In Islam men are to cover their body b/w lower abs and knew, those are mens hidden parts but women's entire body is a hidden part becoz the beauty, curves, everythin of a women attract men and results in what? u must be knowing it who, the 95% of population do it(did it)
showing her beauty is not prizing r admiring god, it must be meant for u people, we prize Allah who created this beautiful earth with its unique nature, character, who recycles the water by evoperate the water and send them back to earth, who created light, dark, living and unliving things and how he control and regulate them how he makes a child to an oldman, how he feeds even a unseen insects etc
SUBHANALLAH... how perfect my Allah is...
I am proud to be a muslim
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What is Christianity, altering history and sex?
written by Ashraf , September 11, 2009
Why are Christians so notorious in sinning throughout the world? What is the real secret behind it?

As the latest devastating and quite embarrassing reality check study about premarital sex in the United States of America have revealed, 95% of all Americans had premarital sex! Now of course, one must take into consideration that out of the 250 million Americans, there are around 12 to 15 million Muslims, which puts them around the 5% percentile. This means that almost 100% of the Jews and Christians in the US had sex before marriage!

So why is that? What is it about Christians that makes them so noticeably attracted to pornography, sex, sodomy, homosexuality, lust, drugs, alcohol (thousands die from fatal "drinking and driving" accidents every year), bikinis where 99% of the woman's nakedness is fully exposed, inappropriate clothes, immoral TV and media (their white and black-race music is all about love and sex), violence, gangs, thugs and so on? Why is it that where ever there are Christian dominated societies, these evil things are always at their PRIME?

I've debated Christians long and hard on this subject before, and even demonstrated to them that their bible sings praises and glories about women's vaginas and breasts tasting like "wine", hence it is a book that promotes pornography, but they still insist that Christianity does not promote these things and that it is man that always falls short from the Glory and Will of GOD Almighty. But non-Christians throughout history and throughout the world, including pagans, all combined aren't even close to the Christians when it comes to these evil things!! And in Islam, we don't really fall that short from the Glory and Will of GOD Almighty. A Muslim who lives in an Islamic atmosphere is completely ignorant about these things!
I am going to expose chrishtianity in a series of my comments in all topic, some times it may be out of the topic discussed here! ha enjoy...
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now eat this..
written by Ashraf , September 11, 2009
Totally totally wrong, how many times have u totalled it? The Bible contains ample pornography in it.
The Bible contains ample mixed signals and confusing messages about morality, in it, that the Christian reader can not draw the lines from them about what is sin and what is not, especially when it comes to things that are socially and widely accepted such as wearing bikinis, drinking alcohol, taking drugs, and going to bars and personally promoting evil and mischief in the society by supporting these things in wealth and in person (by physically being there).
The Bible contains countless contradictions and corruption both in text and conflicts with confirmed history, that no sane person would take it seriously especially when his sexual, alcoholic and/or drugs urge is at its highest peak! By the way, ironically, even the Bible's own theologians say that the Bible contains ample "fairy tales," "fictions," "fables" and "contradictions":
• The Christian and Bible theologians call them "fictions that exist in the Bible"!

• The Christian and Bible theologians say "The original manuscripts had been lost"!

• The Christian and Bible theologians call them "fairy tales and fables in the Bible"!
So given these indisputable facts that even among the bible theologians themselves don't disagree with, I simply said that the Bible follower will always fall into sin because all he has is satan to guide him/her. But even with these irrefutable points, many Christians have still objected to them and said that the Bible is innocent from promoting the evil things mentioned above!
The "man falls short" lie!
As I mentioned above, most Christians use the claim and excuse about "man always falls short from the Glory and Will of GOD Almighty." This, however, is a very dangerous statement and belief, especially when one follows a corrupt and self-contradicting book like the Bible! The Christians' religion is so perverted and so corrupt that it teaches them that everything that man does is a sin! Man is so surrounded and so flooded with sin that there is no way his belief in GOD Almighty and righteousness would save him from the Eternal Punishment of Hell. He needs a savior and that savior is none other than their false god, who ran to Egypt for his life from King Herod, and who said only GOD Almighty knows and no one else when he was asked about when the Hour will come [2], Jesus Christ.
Their lies not mentioned in the OT: Now it is worth mentioning that the crucifixion and resurrection lies that form the entire christian belief, have no basis whatsoever in the Bible's Old Testament!
Now to us Muslims, Jesus Christ is a Prophet from Allah Almighty just like all of the other Prophets, peace and blessings be upon all of them (that includes Prophet Muhammad(peace and blessings be upon him)also), but to the Christians, he is the Creator of the Universe despite this god's embarrassing weaknesses and the countless others. Now it is also worth mentioning that Prophet Jesus said that he is not "good" and that only GOD Almighty "good" and no one else (Mark 10:18, Luke 18:19) [1]. This was his response when a person called him "good master".
But anyway back to the point, the Christians have so minimized the meaning of "sin" and turned everything into a "sin" including even breathing air, that it no longer became required of them to really try to stop themselves from committing any sin because, to these corrupt infidels, the flood of sins and sinning is so overwhelming that one might as well just give up and live and enjoy his life to the fullest as they are exactly doing now and have been consistently doing throughout the world and history. They also invented the lie of that all sins are equal and all sins deserve the punishment of death! So to these infidels, saying an inappropriate word to someone is the same as committing adultery. This again takes us back to the point about them turning everything into a sin and that only their false god, Jesus, can cause for these sins to be forgiven.

ha ha m enjoying to expose u guys...how disgusting and hatefull christianity is? shame on u to follow such religion well, is that really a religion?
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Islam and Rape (Muhammed Bin Shaitan\'s words)
written by Manzikert , September 11, 2009
This is for Dumb people like Ashraf who are Brainwashed into following the Son of Satan (Muhammed Bin Shaitan)....

Rape in the Son of Satan's (Muhammed's) own words..... Straight from the Frothing Rabid Mouth of the Mentally Retarded Son of Satan (Muhammed).

It is against Islam to rape Muslim women, but Muhammad actually encouraged the rape of women captured in battle. This hadith provides the context for the Qur’anic verse (4:24):

The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives.
Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150)


Actually, as the hadith indicates, it wasn't Muhammad, but "Allah the Exalted" who told the men to rape the women in front of their husbands, which is all the more reason not to think of Islam as being the same as other religion.

There are several hadith in which Muhammad is asked for his opinion on how women should be raped following their capture. This pertains to an episode in which his men were reluctant to devalue their new slaves for later resale by getting them pregnant. Muhammad was asked about coitus interruptus in particular:

"O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.” (Bukhari 34:432)
As indicated, the prophet of Islam did not mind his men raping the women, provided they ejaculated within the bodies of their victims.

As one might imagine, Muhammad's obvious approval of raping women captured in battle, and his own personal participation as recorded in many places, is of intense inconvenience to the Muslim apologists of our time. For this reason, some of them attempt to explain away these many episodes and Qur'anic references to sex with captives by pretending that these are cases in which women have fled bad marriages and sought refuge with the Muslims. Some apologists even refer to them as "wives," even though the Qur'an makes a clear distinction between "those whom thy right hand possesses" and true wives (see Sura 33:50).

Beyond the desperation of the 21st century apologist however, there is absolutely nothing in the historical text that supports this rosy revision of Muslim history. The women of the Banu Mustaliq were sold into slavery following their rape:

"We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter" (Sahih Muslim 3371)

In fact, female slaves were traded like any other simple commodity by Muhammad and his Muslims:

"Then the apostle sent Sa-d b. Zayd al-Ansari, brother of Abdu'l-Ashal with some of the captive women of Banu Qurayza to Najd and he sold them for horses and weapons." (Ibn Ishaq 693)

Is it Muslim to sell one's wife for horses? Clearly these were not wives!

More importantly, by definition a "captured" woman is not one who is fleeing her husband. She is fleeing her captor (ie. the Muslim slave raider). This hadith describes a typical raid, in which the women and children are captured as they are attempting to flee the attacking Muslims:

“…and then we attacked from all sides and reached their watering-place where a battle was fought. Some of the enemies were killed and some were taken prisoners. I saw a group of persons that consisted of women and children [escaping in the distance]. I was afraid lest they should reach the mountain before me, so I shot an arrow between them and the mountain. When they saw the arrow, they stopped. So I brought them, driving them along” (Sahin Muslim 4345)

The Muslim narrator (who happens to be Muhammad's adopted son) sees the women trying to escape (following the massacre of their men) and cuts off their route by shooting an arrow into their path. These aren't women trying to seek refuge with the Muslims. They are trying to avoid capture by the Muslim.

The same hadith goes on to recount that Muhammad personally demanded one of the captured women for his own use:

I drove them along until I brought them to Abu Bakr who bestowed that girl upon me as a prize. So we arrived in Medina. I had not yet disrobed her when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) met me in the street and said: “Give me that girl.” (Sahih Muslim 4345)
The prophet of Islam and his companions used war to collect women for personal sexual use and for trading. Unless she was arbitrarily declared as someone's wife, the woman became a sex slave. In no case was her fate tied to anything that she had personally done, nor was she given a choice about her future.

Ashraf and the rest of the followers of the Mentally Retarded Criminal (Muhammed Bin Shaitan) can you refute any of this here??? This is what your Asshole of a Prophet (Muhammed Bin Shaitan) did... Shame on all of you who follow him.....
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Stop questionin, answer us first
written by Ashraf , September 11, 2009
the crucifixion is a lie according to Jesus' disciples' own and personal writings in the early Christians' writings, and also according to Allah Almighty's own Words in the Noble Quran:

"That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge; That they said (in boast): 'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.' But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise. And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them. (The Noble Quran, 4:156-159)"

See also: www.answering-christianity.com/crucified.htm

X-Rated Pornography in the Bible:
(a)- She wished if he were her brother so that she wouldn't have to take him home in secret!

(b)- She would literally have sex with her brother, and the bible sings glory-songs about it!
Sucking his for him!
Song of Songs 8:1-3 "If only you were to me like a brother, who was nursed at my mother's breasts! Then, if I found you outside, I would kiss you, and no one would despise me. I would lead you and bring you to my mother's house-- she who has taught me. I would give you spiced wine to drink [i.e., her vagina's semen!], the nectar of my pomegranates. His left arm is under my head and his right arm embraces me."
She wished if he were her brother so that she wouldn't have to take him home in secret. Now if he were truly her husband, then what would prompt her to wish that he was her brother? Were husbands back then not allowed to live with their wives? If so, how did they then consummate and have children and raise generations and societies? Were they allowed to live with each others for a while?
The obvious answer is that they were not a husband and a wife. And still, let us assume for the sake of the desperate and ridiculous argument that they were a husband and a wife, then what about her wishes about him being her brother?! What about this pornography? Are we now going to also argue that it's ok for the sister to sexually fantasizing about her brother, and to make inappropriate references about him like this?!

Women's breasts are important sexual objects, especially for licking and sucking!
Fantasizing about a girl he calls his "sister". Her vagina tastes like wine for him. And they had sex all night long. After he satisfied her really good, she wished if he were her brother (her biological brother nursed from her "mother's breast" as she said) so she doesn't have to take him home in secret.

- His sister's vagina tastes like "wine"."Bride" is a Semitic language metaphor; it is not literal.
• Song of Songs 7:10-12
10 I belong to my lover, and his desire is for me.
11 Come, my lover, let us go to the countryside, let us spend the night in the villages.
12 Let us go early to the vineyards to see if the vines have budded, if their blossoms have opened, and if the pomegranates are in bloom— there I will give you my love. (have sex in other words!)
Clearly, the relationship was between a girlfriend and a boyfriend, and not between a wife and a husband. Otherwise, why would they need to sneak to the field to make sex when they have their home to be alone in? And worst of all, the Bible is ok with all of this throughout this book!
Pornography is clearly praised in the bible. This is no cheap statement from me. It is a clear-cut and indisputable fact! The bible sings glory songs about not only incestuous relationships, but also about women's vaginas and breasts tasting like "WINE".
If you wouldn't call this pornography, then what else would you honestly and with your clear conscious and integrity call it?
Allah Almighty Said in the Noble Quran: "Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: "This is from God," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:79)"




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written by Ashraf , September 11, 2009
Go and read yo Bibal you'l get both of yo hands doing what's written in the sex maniac book called bibal...or got yo brother! hw many times hv u slept with him?
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sex b/w brother n sister in the bibal
written by Ashraf , September 11, 2009
Women's breasts are important sexual objects, especially for licking and sucking!
Her sexy breasts are quite "satisfying":
Let us look at Song of Solomon 8:10 "Dear brothers, I'm a walled-in virgin still, but my breasts are full— And when my lover sees me, he knows he'll soon be satisfied."
She is a virgin with full swelling breasts. When her lover meets her, he will be satisfied from those swelling breasts! Obviously, she is referring to licking, sucking and other pornographic things that I can't mention here. Believe me this verse is not talking about them worshiping GOD Almighty together when they meet!! It is clearly and indisputably referring to graphic sex that involves her swelling breasts and other things such as intercourse.

Let us look at Song of Songs 4:5 "Your two breasts are like two fawns, like twin fawns of a gazelle that browse among the lilies."
Let us look at Song of Songs 1:13 "My lover is to me a sachet of myrrh resting between my breasts."
Praising the bed that they had sex on: Let us look at Song of Songs 1:16 "How handsome you are, my lover! Oh, how charming! And our bed is verdant"
Let us look at Song of Songs 1:2-4 "Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth-- for your love is more delightful than wine. Pleasing is the fragrance of your perfumes; your name is like perfume poured out. No wonder the maidens love you! Take me away with you--let us hurry! Let the king bring me into his chambers. We rejoice and delight in you; we will praise your love (i.e., semen) more than wine. How right they are to adore you!" I don't think this would be appropriate for a kid under 18 to read. Also, I don't think it is appropriate to have such open sexuality in a divine book anyway.
His right arm sexually feeling her body: Let us look at Song of Songs 2:6 "His left arm is under my head, and his right arm embraces me."
Let us look at Song of Songs 3:4 "Scarcely had I passed them when I found the one my heart loves. I held him and would not let him go till I had brought him to my mother's house, to the room of the one who conceived me." So in other words, she was not married to him, and when she found him, she took him back to her bed room to have illegal sex with him? If she were married to him, she wouldn't take him to her "mother's house". She would take him to their house.
Let us look at Song of Songs 3:10 "Its posts he made of silver, its base of gold. Its seat was upholstered with purple, its interior lovingly inlaid by the daughters of Jerusalem." Why does the Bible teach young men to spend all of their time and effort to try to impress all of the girls in their town so they can possibly end in bed with them?
Fantasizing about a girl he calls his "sister". Her vagina tastes like wine for him. And they had sex all night long. After he satisfied her really good, she wished if he were her brother (her biological brother nursed by her "mother's breast" as she said) so she doesn't have to take him home secretly:
Note: Even though she may not be his biological sister, but calling her a "sister" in a pornographic and sick situation as shown in details below is not proper, and may suggest that the sick pervert would fantasize about his biological sister if he had one.
Let us look at Song of Songs 4:9 "You have stolen my heart, my sister, my bride; you have stolen my heart with one glance of your eyes, with one jewel of your necklace." Fantasizing about his sister? at least he shows in this verse that he would!.
Let us look at Song of Songs 4:10 "How delightful is your love, my sister, my bride! How much more pleasing is your love than wine, and the fragrance of your perfume than any spice!" Making love to his own sister? "pleasing is your love (making???) than wine"?
Let us look at Song of Songs 4:12 "You are a garden locked up, my sister, my bride; you are a spring enclosed, a sealed fountain."

Showing off her breasts and vagina to him:
Sleeping with his sister: Let us look at Song of Songs 5:4 "I slept but my heart was awake. Listen! My lover is knocking: 'Open to me, my sister, my darling, my dove, my flawless one. My head is drenched with dew, my hair with the dampness of the night.' I have taken off my robe (i.e., she showed his breasts and vagina to him. Underwears and bras didn't exist back then!) must I put it on again? I have washed my feet, must I soil them again? My lover thrust his hand through the latch-opening; my heart began to pound for him." What a disgusting way for someone to talk so pervertly about his sister and/or about her brother like that!!
Let us look at Song of Songs 5:8 "O daughters of Jerusalem, I charge you-- if you find my lover, what will you tell him? Tell him I am faint with love." Teaching women to be sexually too open.

His sister's vagina tastes like "wine":
"How beautiful your sandaled feet, O prince's daughter! Your graceful legs are like jewels, the work of a craftsman's hands. Your navel is a rounded goblet that never lacks blended wine. Your waist is a mound of wheat encircled by lilies. Your breasts are like two fawns, twins of a gazelle. Your neck is like an ivory tower. Your eyes are the pools of Heshbon by the gate of Bath Rabbi.
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I said 'I will climb the palm tree; I will take hold of its fruit.' May your breasts be like the clusters of the vine, the fragrance of your breath like apples, and your mouth like the best wine. (The NIV Bible, Song of Songs 7:1-4, 8-9)"
According to the documentary film "Sex in the Bible" on A&E TV Station, the Hebrew translation to "Your naval" is referring to the woman's VAGINA. This was sent to my friend by my dear brother in Islam Mike who embraced Islam just recently; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him

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written by Someone , September 11, 2009
I'd like to add to this that Allah DELIBERATELY made women "stupid" and "makes them suffer through menstruation" as a punishment for the deeds of Eve. Tabari 1:280, check it out.

So to put the order of events in perspective.

1. Allah creates Adam.
2. Allah creates Eve from Adam's rib.
3. Eve convinces Adam to eat the forbidden fruit together with her (this isn't stated in the Quran but Muhammad's sayings from the Sahih Hadith make it clear that this is how the story is to be interpreted).
4. As a punishment, Allah makes all women stupid.
5. He also makes all women menstruate as a punishment (completely forgetting that the main purpose of menstruation is not to make women suffer but to make them able to reproduce).
6. He reveals Islam to Muhammad.
7. Muhammad claims that women can't perform religious duties when menstruating and are deficient in their intelligence.
8. Muhammad then claims these are some of the reasons why the majority of hell's occupants are women.

In other words, one woman commited a sin. Allah thus decides to punish ALL women for eternity with menstruation and lesser intelligence while leaving the men alone. And then Allah will punish those women since they can't perform religious duties as well as men do due to menstruation? Only the ignorance of a 7th century desert pedophile (who is oblivious to the purpose of menstruation) could come up with such a ludicrous turn of events.

Muslimas wake up. Islam does NOT grant you the dignity you deserve, and it doesn't grant you rights equal to those of men. Muslimas will ALWAYS have a lesser position than male muslims, it's as easy as that. You can show me a million verses of the Quran that say men and women are equal, but the laws of your God obviously do not agree with this sentiment.
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written by Ashraf , September 11, 2009
Don worry my brother, our beloved Prophet Muahmmad (S.A.W.S.) told us that this'l happen.. and it'l happen... earth is at its last moments.. a few years all returned to Allah, We can c Mr Khan and Ali screaming their... inshal-Allah...I am exposing them with the help some sites and scholar friends... the real christianity is exposed... i've answers for their everysingle questions and I bet they cant our questions becoz they'r fake they don've any supporting reply... pray with Allah for us... May Allah bless us all with his mercy... Ameen
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written by Ashraf , September 11, 2009
hey u undertand what christianity and Bibal is, no? you'l my son... keep watchin my comments your exposed...! hate u to the core u piglets....
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to globe terror
written by Ashraf , September 11, 2009
Oh That's the Divorce cases r at a record high in your communities, marriage with yo consent? wht a choice and decission u infidels make for yo marriages!
you don eat any meat? u even hv sex with animals, u even eat distusgustin, stinky pork... u even drink animal urine, use dungs... hey globe trotter(terror)
y don u c more divorces in our community if it forced marriages and u do it in yours while its done on yo own decission...? becoz u cant sleep with only one woman for lifetime... ha ha better idea, have sex before marriage and marry her after a 10 months divorce her and again find a girl, chat, date, have sex, and marriage then go to court then divorce again....
wow what a living std absolutly lik animals especially lik dogs...hey come one lift yo one leg and piss on yo idols...give them a bath atleast! somebody help me cnt stop laughing....
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written by Ashraf , September 11, 2009
you don c Biabl altered testament by testament, eddition by eddtion of different authours right from then till now? Many changes, alterations, so is that religion from GAAAD(GOD, makin fun f him)?
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-A Reader, read this too...
written by Ashraf , September 11, 2009
If you have a very attractive brother, please don't follow the gospel of porn's advise and to try to sleep with him in bed!! and don give any such work to your right hand too, Ok?


Few more points to notice from Song of Songs 8:1-3 verse above:
1- She wished if her boyfriend/lover was her actual brother so she wouldn't have to take him home in secret.
2- She would sleep with her own brother.
3- She would kiss him publicly.
4- She wants him to feel her body.
5- She wants him to do her all night long!
6- Her wanting to kiss him publicly clearly means that the Bible's *holy* prostitute is so sexually turned on that she having him at home doing her all night long is not enough. THEY HAVE TO MAKE OUT PUBLICLY TOO. Hilarious pornography indeed!
What more pornography and sick trash do you want? Even today's internet pornography have not yet gone down to the filthy level of brothers and sisters sleeping with each others. That's how sick and pervert the Bible really is.


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written by JohanM , September 11, 2009
Muslims are habitual blatant liers. They project the atrocities done on the others as a mercy on them.

3-4 years back a case happened in India. A married and mother of 4 or 5 kids muslimah was raped by her father-in-law and the learned Muallahs issued the fatwa which made the marriage of the son and daughter-in-law invalid. They said since father in law has raped the daugher-in-law so relation between husband and wife has now became haram. The victim and her husband wanted to live with each other and remain as husband and wife but they faced the ire of their society. Though muslims bragg that rape is punishable by death but they give new meanings to the rape and hinder the justice.

Muslims always try to distort history and they always live under illusion and conspiracty theory.
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globe...
written by Ashraf , September 11, 2009
The thing that we all must know is that the father in the Bible has full control over his daughters. Let us look at few quotes from Talmudic and Biblical resources:

The father has the right to force their daughters into marriage: "The father has the obligation to marry off his daughters. (From the Talmud, Kiddushin 29a, 30b)", and "Marrying off one's daughter as soon after she reaches adulthood as possible, even to one's Slave. (From the Talmud, Pesachim 113a)"

The father even has the right to sell his daughter as a servant (slave girl) to other men: "If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as menservants do. If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. (From the NIV Bible, Exodus 21:7-smilies/cool.gif"

There is even pre-arranged marriage before the child is even born!

People before they are even born are arranged for marriage: "A Divine Voice announces who a soon-to-be-born boy and girl will marry when they grow up. (From the Talmud, Moed Katan 18b, Sotah 2a, Moed Katan 18b and Moed Katan 18b)"

u infidels be perect, make yo selvs perfect n talk about others later...
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written by JohanM , September 11, 2009
Muslims are habitual blatant liers. They project the atrocities done on the others as a mercy on them.

3-4 years back a case happened in India. A married and mother of 4 or 5 kids muslimah was raped by her father-in-law and the learned Muallahs issued the fatwa which made the marriage of the son and daughter-in-law invalid. They said since father in law has raped the daugher-in-law so relation between husband and wife has now became haram. The victim and her husband wanted to live with each other and remain as husband and wife but they faced the ire of their society. Though muslims bragg that rape is punishable by death but they give new meanings to the rape and hinder the justice.

Sunnis do Misyar which is equivalent to Mutah and religious prostitution. This is the beauty of Islam that they even reject their own co-religionists.
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the bitter song of Ashraf
written by leigh , September 12, 2009
Ashraf you are full of hate and what can be done with you?Bitterness is your fruit You cherry pick from the bible and expose your ignorance of the Bible .You seem obsessed with the Songs of Solomon which are about LOVE between a married couple.. Are you ashamed of love between a husband and a wife?That you call it pornography is an indication of the lust in your own heartYou are a very sad case if you are married and say what you do.
. It is rather amusing that you attempt to insult Christianity on what is an athiestic website, You do need to think more.
Ultimately I assume you are at heart as frightened and fearful of judgement as Mohamed was. If you know the hadiths well you will know the exact hadiths that I am referring to . Read them and sober up.
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written by sarah joosab , September 12, 2009
jesus says in the bible, "think not that i am come to send peace on earth; i came not to send peace but a sword." look at jesus's teachings!!!
yet islam is constantly attacked as being spread by the sword. this is a part of the propagnda machine against islam.
have you forgotton the crusades where muslims where mercilisely slaughtered at the hands of christians?

have you forgotton bosnai herzegovina where so many muslims were massacred?

so would you like to rethink your answer that the west does not alter history?
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written by sarah joosab , September 12, 2009
jesus said: "think not that i am come to send peace on earth; i came not to send peace but a sword."
mathew 10:34
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a question to Someone
written by sarah joosab , September 12, 2009
i wonder why you don't pick on your nuns from dressing modestly and covering themselves up from head to toe?

you ask where are the veiled men?

won't you agree that god or allah created men and women differently and uniquely?
can men give birth?

so now maybe you should ask where are the men that give birth to babies?
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TO VbV
written by Intelligent lad , September 12, 2009
Dear vbv..you wrote.."(Mo)had sexual relationship with the wives of his 'sahabas' while they were busy at 'jihad'. ".
Is there any proof for this ?
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Sex with Sahaba wives
written by Ashraf , September 12, 2009
Aya 33.50 allowed our prophet to have sex with any w0man who offered herself to him.
Many hadiths say that that many women came and offered themselves to him. Here are hadiths:



Bukhari,Volume 7, Book 62, Number 24:

A woman came to Allah's Apostle and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have come to give you myself

Bukhari,Volume 7, Book 62, Number 48:

Narrated Hisham's father:

Khaula bint Hakim was one of those ladies who presented themselves to the Prophet. 'Aisha said, "Doesn't a lady feel ashamed for presenting herself to a man?"

Bukhari,Volume 7, Book 62, Number 53:

Narrated Thabit Al-Banani:

"A woman came to Allah's Apostle and presented herself to him, saying, 'O Allah's Apostle, have you any need for me ?' "Thereupon Anas's daughter said, "What a shameless lady she was! Shame! Shame!" Anas said, "She was better than you; she had a liking for the Prophet

Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 54:

“A woman presented herself to the Prophet.”

Bukhari,Volume 7, Book 62, Number 58:

Narrated Sahl bin Sad:

A woman came to Allah's Apostle and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have come to you to present myself to you”

However there is no proof that those women were sahabas wives while they were on jihad or that our Prohet accepted their offers. So vbv is lieing.
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Ashraf is Crazy????
written by Manzikert , September 12, 2009
Hi Ashraf, wots up wid you bugger?? U say dat the Mentally Retarded Criminal (Muhammed Bin Shaitan) was a Prophet and at the Same time U say dat he cud have sex with anybody who offered themselves to him???? Wot does this Imply?? Doesnt this PROVE that Muhammed Bin Shaitan was a Mentally Retarded Criminal????? A Prophet is supposed to be holy person with some ETHICS and MORALITY. This Creature (Muhammed Bin Shaitan) u call a Prophet was a SEX MANIAC as you RIGHTLY AGREE above!!! Thanks for Enligthening us Humans on this....
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shocked and disgusted by yhe misleading facts on t
written by sarah joosab , September 12, 2009
i'm uttrely shocked and disgusted about the lies being spoken about Islam, Allah and the prophet Muhammad(pbuh).

Do you even know Muhammad (peace be upon his soul)?

Before the advent of islam,known as the period of ignorance pagan arabs were steeped in ignorance and social ills; indulging in wine, women and even going to the extent of burying their very own baby daughters alive!

with the advent of islam and the coming of the holy prophet muhammad(pbuh), came thelight.....
THE LIGHT OF ISLAM....
A BEACON OF HOPE....
A RAY OF HOPE....

Women were no longer regarded as mere shattels or sexual objects, burying of infant dauhters were stopped and wine was forbidden...

with the social ills permeating our souls today and alcohol and drugs destroying homes and family lives...
looks like the west definetly needs the light of islam to permeate their souls.....

in India, were female foeticide is taking place amongst hindus in villagers; because baby girls are regarded as a burden....it looks like the light of islam...true islam...needs to splatter its amazing light....

learn about islam from good books, and good websites (not misleading and propaganda machines )like this one), read the holy Quran for youselves
and appreciate the true beauty of islam....

islam...whicha has eradicated social ills and exploitation...
islam in which racial descrimination was abolished...
islam in which class distinction was abolished....

ALLAH LOOKS AT THE HEARTS AND SOULS OF MAN.
the hadith of the prophet muhammad(pbuh) says that verily, actions depend and are judged upon the underling intentions.

so let us look deep within ourselves and deep within our souls and do our own reseach on islam and not be duped by such websites. i could go on writing i feel so passionate about islam but i need to attend to other chores at the moment.


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re: Extramarital sex in Islam
written by sarah joosab , September 12, 2009
According to quranic aya 33.50, only our prophet (PBUH) was allowed to have extramarital sex with any woman who offers herself to him and also with his right hand posessionsons. All muslim men are allowed extramarital sex only with their right hand posessions . This is what quran says and that is what our prophet practised. If any one who disagrees with me is an ignorant A-hole.



by the way Ashraf i checked surah 33 ayat 50 to which you refer to and the Prophet(pbuh) was not allowed to have "extra marital sex" in the following instances, but rather was allowed to marry the woman in certain instances. please be very careful when you are speaking about these things from the Quran. and not all muslim men are allowed "extra marital". "extra marital sex", affairs or relationships outside of marriage are totally forbidden pleas be very careful with some of your facts, regarding Islam.
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Ashraf is an infidel in muslim clothing
written by Shibli Zaman , September 12, 2009
Ashraf: Either you are an infidel who is deliberately provoking kuffar so that they use extremely filthy language for our prophet (PBUH) or an idiot who does not realize that the throwing stones in a pile of shit causes the shit to splash on your own prophet(pbuh). The sin either ways is on your neck.
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why the violence?
written by sarah joosab , September 12, 2009
YOU WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY THERE IS SO MUCH OF VIOLENCE ALL OVER THE WORLD, IN THE NAME OF ONE PARTICULAR RELIGION? WELL I'LL TELL YOU WHY.

THERE IS SO MUCH VIOLENCE THROUGHOUT THE WORLD BECAUSE CERTAIN COUNTRIES, IN THEIR QUEST FOR EXTERNAL POWER AND MATERIAL GAINS, INSIST ON INVADING,PLUMMETING, LOOTING AND CAUSING HAVOC, MAYHEM AND DESTRUCTION IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES.

THESE COUNTRIES LIKE AMERICA, BRITAIN, FRANCE, GERMANY, EU, UN AND MANY OTHERS ARE ALL HELL BENT ON DESTROYING ISLAM.

THEY are OCCUPYING MUSLIM LAND AND MUSLIMS ARE RESISTING. THE MUSLIMS WANT THEM OUT OF THEIR LAND...

THEY DON'T WANT THEM THERE...
THEY ARE KILLING, MAIMING AND TORTURING INNOCENT SOUL AND THEN THEY COVER THESE ATROCIOUS ACTS WITH LIES AND DECEIT.

THERE IS SO MUCH VIOLENCE BECAUSE MUSLIMS WHIMS AND DESIRES OF BEING FREE TO PRACTICE THEIR RELIGION OR TO LIVE AS HUMANS ARE BEING DENIED ALL OVER THE WORLD...
LOOK AT THE MUSLIMS IN KASHMIR....
WHERE THEIR DAUGHTERS ARE NOT SAFE BECAUSE INDIAN, HINDU SOLDIERS ARE RAPING THEM...
LOOK AT THE MUSLIMS IN GAZA...
WHERE THEY ARE BEING STIFLED....

LOOK AT THE MUSLIMS IN CHECHNYA....
LOOK AT UIGRE MUSLIMS IN CHINA....

MUSLIMS ALL OVER THE WORLD ARE BEING PERSECUTED, TORTURED AND SUPPRESSED BECAUSE THEY REFUSE TO RENOUNCE THEIR FAITH AND BELIEF IN ONE CREATOR, (ALLAH OR GOD OR LORD ) AND THEY REFUSE TO RENOUNCE THE FACT THAT MUHAMAMAD(PBUH) IS THE FINAL MESEENGER OF GOD....

WHEREVER THERE IS SUPPRESSION AND OPPRESSION THERE WILL BE RESISTANCE...

HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN MOSES WHO STOOD UP AGAINST A TYRANT LIKE PHAROAH TO SAVE HIS PEOPLE AND BRING THEM TO SAFETY AND FREEDOM.....

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@Sarah
written by Someone , September 12, 2009
Wow, you're hilarious. My hypocrisy meter almost exploded when I stumbled on your post.

Your first accusation is insanely stupid. Western "invaders" aren't in "your" countries to loot and cause destruction there. They are there to free you from the opressive regimes that have established themselves with force and justify themselves with your backwards religion. They are there because these regimes support the acts of terrorism established against our nations.

But really, how do you think those "muslim countries" came to be "muslim countries" in the first place? Do you think they all just read the Quran and chose to become muslims? Of course not! ALL these countries used to follow other religions, be it paganism, shamanism, Christianity or Zoroastrian religion. It were MUSLIMS who invaded their country to loot and occupy them and FORCED Islam on them. The only muslim majority country that became a muslim majority country without war is Indonesia. Even the country where Islam originated from, Saudi Arabia, was conquered through force.

Your other accusation, of Western countries being hell bent on destroying Islam is just as ridicilous. If we are hell bent on destroying Islam, why do you think we harbor so many of your Islamic refugees? Why do you think our own countries are being polluted with hundreds of mosques? We are far from hell bent on destroying Islam. It is Islam itself with it's aggressive tactics such as flying civilian airliners into business buildings that provoked our aggression towards "your" countries.

Muslims want us out of their lands? I'm sure that's why the majority of Allied forces in Afghanistan are from the ANA (Afghan National Army) themselves. Do you think these are all non-muslims?

You're accusing us of oppressing muslims, yet it is your Quran which promotes oppressing all non-muslims. It is your Sharia law which denounces all non-muslims as second rate citizens. It is your Sharia law which prevents Christians, Jews, or other believers from preaching their religion anywhere outside of their own homes. It is your Sharia which executes homosexuals, which executes people who step out of Islam, which executes women who were raped that couldn't find four witnesses. And yet WE are oppressing YOU? You muslims are oppressing eachother!

Indian, hindu soldiers are raping muslimahs? How about all the hindus you muslims murdered during the occupation of India? How about you muslims calling upon Palestinians to rape Israeli women as a tactic of war?

Look at the muslims in Gaza? Oh I did already. The same muslims who tell their kids to become shaheeds before they even reached the age of 10 you mean? The same muslims from Hamas who are killing others because they play music at a wedding? The same muslims, Fatah and Hamas, who are killing eachother because they both accuse eachother of desecrating Islam? The same muslims from Palestine which danced in the streets during 9/11? The same Palestinian muslims who commited atrocities in Lebanon when it was still a Christian country? And you expect us to feel sorry for these people?! All their suffering is their own fault! Hell, Palestina isn't even a country! It doesn't exist! It's just a name for a region, it's not an actual country. Where were you when Arab nations attacked Israel (and got their asses handed to them)?

You muslims always like to portray yourself as the victims to evoke compassion from others for you. It's a very dirty tactic. It is time you guys came to realize that you yourself provoked all this violence upon yourselves. Crusades? Crusades were launched to get back the Christiands lands YOUR Jihad occupied. Israel attacking Palestine? Palestine and other countries attacked Israel countless of times first. USA in Iraq and Afghanistan? Their regimes supported acts of terror against the USA and violated nearly all human rights known to man.

Wherever there is suppression and opression there will be resistance... you couldn't be more right. That is exactly why "your" countries are under attack right now.

Moses didn't stand up against the Pharaoh the way you are "standing up" against the "invaders". Moses gathered his people and left for Israel. It was God who killed the army of the Pharaoh. Actually, now that you mention it, following Moses' example is a really good idea. How about all you muslims get the fuck back to Saudi Arabia and stay there, slaughter eachother over your stupid rules and leave the rest of the world alone?

The West is far from innocent, I admit that much, but it is about time that you realize that the violence commited against "your" nations are a direct result of your actions against the rest of the world, and your actions in this world are a direct result of your backwards religion mandating you to do so. Islam is the cause of your suffering, wake up.
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written by Someone , September 12, 2009
In the sense that sexual contact is allowed before marriage? I don't think so but I might be wrong.

However, as far as I know, relationships such as dating are perfectly fine in other religions as long as you avoid the sex part. I don't think other religions view marriage as some sort of business transaction like it is in Islam, then again, religions never cease to amaze me with their ridicilous rules so maybe you have a few other lunatic religions to shake hands with (oh wait, you can't shake their hands lol).
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written by Someone , September 12, 2009
Because we're fed up with the taint of Islam polluting the world with violence, injustice and atrocities. All when it is completely unnecessary as there is plenty of evidence showing that Islam is false and couldn't have come from a God.
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written by Someone , September 12, 2009
I'm utterly shocked muslims are still coming up with the same lies that have been disproven countless of times.

Women in pre-Islamic times had it so bad! Poor women! I mean Khadija, a woman who was a succesful business lady that had multiple male employees running errands for her must have been suffering so much! Not to forget that Aisha, the most beloved wife of the prophet herself stated "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!" (Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 72, Number 715).

Do you know why wine was forbidden? Simply because people reciting the Quran got themselves drunk and started messing up the recitation. If that wouldn't have happened, Muhammad would have never fabricated an aya to prohibit alcohol. Do you know what flows in the rivers of paradise? That's right, WINE.

Women were no longer regarded as sexual objects during the advert of Islam? HAHAHAHAHA! It is Islam itself that views them as sexual objects.

“Your wives are a tilth for you, so go into your tilth when you like, and do good beforehand for yourselves, and be careful (of your duty) to Allah, and know that you will meet Him, and give good news to the believers.” (Quran 2:223)

How do you feel to be regarded as a mere field to sprinkle seed upon?

"When I got married, Allah's Apostle said to me, "What type of lady have you married?" I replied, "I have married a matron' He said, "Why, don't you have a liking for the virgins and for fondling them?" Jabir also said: Allah's Apostle said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you might play with her and she with you?' " (Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 17)

Wow, you women are treated so full of respect in Islam. I mean, what an honor to be seen as a baby producing object. What an honor that men care more about your hymen than your personality or love. These are just 2 of the dozens of ayas and hadiths you can find that view women as objects rather than persons.

The West and India don't need Islam to trade one social issue for a dozen of other problems that come alongside your ridicilous religion. We are able to fix our problems with rationality, something which is ommited from your religious rule.

Learn about Islam from the books of Islam itself (Quran and Ahadith), and realize the monstrosity that it is in reality.

Islam, which has eradicated social ills and exploitation, and took it to a whole 'nother level by viewing women as lust objects that you could beat if they didn't obey you, butchering people who are homosexual and so on.
Islam, in which racial discrimination was abolished, and religious discrimination was established.
Islam, in which class distinction was abolished, and slavery was eternally justified.

Your hadith couldn't be more right. Actions depend upon the underlying intentions. Muhammad's underlying intention was to create a totalitarian ideology that suited all his worldly pleasures, and achieved this by linking it to a pagan rock god named Allah.

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written by Someone , September 12, 2009
It wouldn't really matter if some shit splattered on your prophet as it's likely to make him less filthy and disgusting.
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Can you share?
written by peacelover , September 13, 2009
Am i wrong if i use the peacelover name? Can people have the same name? Even in this virtual forum you can't share for a name.

I suggest to everyone instead of hating between religion, there is a better way to influence people in a good way not by hating each other. You should learn for great figure like Mahatma Gandhi, Mother Teresa, Syaikh Ibnu Baz, etc.

I have learn Christianity, Islam, & Hindu. And in each religion they have good figure that you can learn from it to help people not by hating other people. If you want to make War World 3, then this is a good web site but if you want to make a better world then this web site didn't help at all.
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@Ashraf
written by Someone , September 13, 2009
Exposing "real Christianity" doesn't help at all. Many people here aren't Christians to begin with. You think I care even the slightest if you show bad things from the Bible? So the Bible contains immoral things? Well, guess what, so does your Quran. Your Quran even claims it is there to confirm the Bible, yet you try to attack it on all levels. Good going man.

You know why we don't have answers for your questions? Because your questions are about Christianity, and thus completely irrelevant. Questions you come up with in order to dodge the questions WE ask about YOUR religion. Christianity has nothing to do with being against Islam. 80% of the world population is against Islam, in those 80% you have Hindu's, Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Buddhists, Atheists, Agnosts, Deists etc. By attacking another religion you do not purify your own religion.

You are pathetic. Your best attempt at defending your religion is by attacking another religion that a lot of people don't even believe in. It's just another testimony to how pathetic and unjustifiable your vile cult religion is. You attack Christianity to make yourself feel better for believing in a pedophile prophet. You're really just in denial, your fraudulent religion is getting exposed on many levels every single day and it is done so by your own texts, attacking the Bible won't help you at all. Your futile attacks at other religions to make yourself feel less guilty for believing in Islam are a source of pure entertainment to me.
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@Ashraf
written by Someone , September 13, 2009
Dear Lord, learn to type some proper English.

Divorce cases are at a record high? So what? Do you understand the point of a divorce? People divorce each other when they no longer feel love for each other, when they have the idea that they can no longer live with each other. What is wrong with that? People don't divorce for fun, they divorce to improve their lives. Maybe we should adapt the Islamic system were the man can just beat his wife if she wants to divorce him or where he can just marry 3 other women alongside the one he already has? Yeah, great idea.

We drink animal urine? It is YOUR prophet who said that camel urine was pure and that you could drink it. What a retard you are, accusing others of what your own prophet considered halal. We use dungs? Don't know where you got that from. At least we don't clean our dicks with sand when there's no water available.

You know why you don't see more divorces in your community? Because you have a totally different view of marriage. You don't care about love in a relationship, it's just a side effect that can occur but is not mandatory for a marriage according to Islam. Because women are too scared to divorce their husband, what will happen if she divorces her husband? She will be shunned by her family, by her community, she won't find another husband because she's no longer a virgin and so on. We can't sleep with only one woman for lifetime? Isn't it YOUR religion that justifies marrying up to four women. Isn't it YOUR religion that permits sex with "right hand possessions"? Isn't it YOUR prophet who had up to 12 wives and a couple of sex slaves, including one NINE YEAR OLD GIRL? You want to attack OUR social values when it comes to relationships? At least we PROTECT our daughters against PEDOPHILES.
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written by Someone , September 13, 2009
Congratulations on showing commands from the Bible which the entire Western world has abolished from their governments hundreds of years ago.

Even then, at least having a pre-arranged marriage before children are born leads to children marrying other children, rather than a 6 year old girl getting married to a 50 year old pedo.
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written by Someone , September 13, 2009
I don't follow the Bible, I never have. There goes your weak argument. Your stupidity never ceases to amaze me. In my post I tell you that following a religion makes no sense and then you try to to rebute me by attacking the Bible.

And besides that, your Quran has been altered as well.

The very fact that you can only debate by attacking Christianity shows how much of a weak minded fool you are. Once you come up against people who don't follow another ridicilous religion you have no decent defense left.
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written by Someone , September 13, 2009
I have come to realize that you must be suffering from the Peter Pan-syndrome. For people who don't know what that is, it's what Michael Jackson suffered from. When you take away a child's childhood, the person as an adult will act like a child in order to relive the time when they were a child but didn't have the chance to enjoy the natural things that come with childhood.

It all makes a lot more sense now. By indoctrinating you with a desert pedo cult system since your birth, you have lost your childhood and will be stuck forever with the mindset of a little child. I guess that's why your best attempt at defending your religion is by attacking another religion. It's exactly how children discuss and debate eachother. The funny thing of it all is that your religion was based on the religion you're attacking. You're living in a mental prison.
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@Sarah
written by Someone , September 13, 2009
Sarah, Sarah, Sarah, why are you being so naive? You sound like a decent human being to me. If only you could realize that other religions preaching wrong things doesn't make yours any better...

The Crusades... the usual conflict muslims bring up when debating. Dear Sarah, have you ever paid attention during history class? Do you know why the Crusades happened? What is your idea on the cause of the Crusades? Do you think Christians just thought something along the lines of "Hey we only control half of the world, we need to spread our religion by force a bit more!"? Of course not.

Here's what the Crusades were for... MUSLIMS, yes that's right, MUSLIMS, attacked many Christian nations and occupied their lands. It wasn't just one country, but many. Egypt was a Christian country, (modern day) Turkey, (then known as Byzantium) was a Christian country and so on. These countries belonged to Christians, but muslims didn't care and attacked, conquered, looted, pillaged and subjugated them anyway. In another comment you expressed how muslims committing violence in the world is due to Western nations oppressing them. If that is all the justification you need for violence, then you should be a FIRM SUPPORTER of the Crusades. Crusades were a COUNTER-ATTACK against MUSLIM VIOLENCE. Yes they got out of hand, and even lead to the death of many other believers including a lot of Christians. This is why many christians, including the pope himself, have APOLOGIZED and CRITCIZED the atrocities commited during the Crusades a LONG TIME AGO. Yet muslims have NEVER apologized for conquering all the countries they attack.

The West does NOT alter history. I do not know where you are from. But in my country (a Western European one), it is in fact the CHRISTIAN atrocities that we are mainly taught about. We never learned ANYTHING about what muslims did in the Middle East. I'll let you in on a secret, not too long ago I detested Christianity the most and I actually viewed Islam as a good religion. That was until I became so interested in Islam that I started reading the Quran and became disgusted with it. Seriously girl, wake up. Christians being wrong does not make Islam right. In a conflict there can be more than one party that is wrong.

More and more Westerners are renouncing their Christian faith, we are not scared to admit our mistakes. It's about time you muslims realize this and start doing the same. The world will be a better place once it's no longer being segregated through religion. We've had a long battle against racism, in order to unite humanity, yet now it is religion that is once again seperating us and causing a lot of suffering in this world. Islam, just as much as other religions have done in the past, is a major culprit to this and is not justifiable by any means.
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written by Freedom , September 14, 2009
Many muslim and religious people like sarah joosab, continue to bring up drinking alcohol, drug, prositittuion and so on as an ill of western and liberal nations that needs to be corrected. I would like to ask them, how these ill is causing problem for the western and liberal nations of the world. The most advance and progreesive countries in the world, measure in every aspect of human progress index measureable are the western and liberal nations. On the contrary, Islamic countries that try to suppress all these, liberal sympbols are the most regressive and backwards and problematic interms of every aspect of misery index measureable.
I am not here to promote drink or prositution and etc but I am all for this as a choice for people. This is the beauty of free world. The freedom provide the platform for people to be creative and free to pursue what they believed in provided it does not threathen the freedom of other to pursue their ideals.
Islam fail to provide this platform as it suppress, the freedom of other to believe and pursue thier ideal.
In fact, a measure of freedom of sex and self indulgence, is a measure of progress and creativity. We should allow self restraint to rein in the excesses but not force restraint or submmision to restraint. Total elimination of this indulgence will be a total elimination of freedom from this world. So peace loving people, you need to defence these indulgence aggreesively but not to feel shy or sinful about it.
Peace loving, enjoy your life.
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Comment to Ashraf
written by Mike , September 14, 2009
Ashraf
You are a sad, useless moronic, brainwashed **** and should be flushed down the drain along with other muslims.
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comment to Zaman
written by Mike , September 14, 2009
Shibli Zaman
You can piss off too you pathetic follower of a pathetic, paedophile moron (Yes I mean Mohamed) and allah can drown in his own shit too!
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written by Someone , September 14, 2009
Because there's a great difference between a nun and a random believing lady. Nuns confine themselves to convents, cloisters or monasteries. A nun lives her entire life there. Them covering themselves from head to toe is basically their work/school "uniform". They live in "sacred" buildings which are meant for worshipping God so naturally it makes a little more sense to cover up women there so they don't attract male attention when said males are supposed to be praying or worshipping God. They are not a part of society, so it makes sense that they cover themselves up to stay segregated from society. If Christian women were ordered to all dress like nuns I would've said the same thing about them, but we all know that's not the case.

Men and women are different, yes. However, there's still a huge similarity... they're human beings. Giving birth or not is something that comes with nature. Clothing does not. By default we are all naked, it makes no sense at all that women have to cover up entirely but men don't. Men and women are different enough through nature, if you try to apply more differences by restricting one in clothing, or her choice of going out and all that, you're segregating mankind which is a very bad thing. Civilized nations didn't struggle this long to give women equal rights only to have women being forced into giving up said rights again.

Dressing up "modestly" is only neccessary when the males in your community are sexually frustrated pigs. Look at native African tribes, their women walk around topless and no one is raping them for it.
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written by Someone , September 14, 2009
Funny, accusing us of not being educated when you yourself can't properly type English.

It's not "yo bibal" for the one hundreth time. NOT EVERYONE ON THIS SITE IS A CHRISTIAN. Stop bringing up the goddamn Bible in every post, we don't give a shit about the Bible. Educated Westerners have dropped the Bible decades ago.

You like to think of yourself as educated, when the only science you're educated in is the science of ignorance.

Islam doesn't allow killing people? It PROMOTES killing people, as long as they are non-muslim or even a muslim as long as they're breaking heavy rules (adultery). How do you think muslims got control of all those countries? How do you think Muhammad took control of Mecca? By asking them nicely? Of course not, they butchered the inhabitants and subjugated the survivors! You say people who kill won't even smell the fragrance of paradise? If that is so then Muhammad will BURN in HELLFIRE for ETERNITY.

Everything of a woman attracts men... uhhh have you ever spoken with a girl? You say the entire woman body is a private part that should be covered up since it's attracts men. At the same moment you say men only have to cover up below their lower abs as that is their private part. If you seriously think women are attracted by the PENIS AND SCROTUM of a man then you are HORRIBLY mistaken. Women can enjoy the beauty of males as well, their face, their hair, their muscles, and so on. ALL things that do NOT have to be covered. Why is that again? If you want to define the "private part area" by what attracts the opposite sex, then both sexes should be covered up completely. If you want to define the "private part area" by what are actually private parts, then women should only have to cover up their breasts and pubic area.

It seems you like the idea that everything happens on this earth because of Allah. Then you must realize that this site also exists because Allah wants it to exist, that the anti-Islam movement exists because Allah wants it to exist, that kuffar are killing your mujahideen because Allah wants it to happen. Do you seriously think a God would support people who are against him rather than the ones who worship him? It makes no sense! There's only one decent explanation: ALLAH DOES NOT EXIST.
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written by Someone , September 14, 2009
1. All "exploited" muslim countries are only muslim countries because the early muslims themselves exploited and subjugated these countries. Also, it's countries like Saudi Arabia that's exploiting the West (we don't have access to oil) by charging insane prices for oil. Without oil, Saudi Arabia would be a joke.
2. There's nothing disgusting about sex, sex is a natural thing to do. Your own prophet loved it, that's why he had multiple wives and slave girls to rape. At least the West doesn't allow you to have slaves and use them for sex.
3. Sounds pretty much like muslims themselves which were looting trade caravans in the early periods of Islam and looted cultural riches of more developed nations after they butchered them in war.
4. We do have respect for elders. It's just that our elders themselves give us the freedom to do what we want. It's also pretty easy to keep respecting your elders if they threaten to disown you or kill you otherwise.
5. This is where you're fundamentally wrong. We don't have respect for women? HAHAHAHA! We gave women equal rights! Let me ask you, is a woman allowed to be a judge according to Islam? Oh wait no. Is a woman capable of fulfilling a leadership position in Islam? Oh wait no. We respect women as equal human beings, that's why women have exactly the same rights as men... hell, they even have more rights as pregnancy for example is a valid reason for them to take time off of work. Is beating your wife when she disobeys you showing respect? Is seeing your wife as a tilth respectful? Is having a wife and then marrying 3 other wives respectful to these women? Is ordering a woman to stay at home respecful? Is paying more attention to a hymen than any other aspect of a woman respectful? Is giving a daughter half the inheritance of a son respectful? I could go on forever. You Islamic pigs treat women like dirt.
6. Racism, hahahaha. Pay attention in history class next time kid. Racism has been mostly eradicated from our societies. Yes some rotten individuals will keep on being racists but there's nothing to stop that. At least our plural world for black people is not the same word as the one used for slaves.
7. Honor killing, domestic violence, religious murder, stoning, slavery at an all time record high.
8. Greedy as in taking 10% of war booty for yourself greedy?

As for health care, lol.

1. We don't give a damn about the Bible though. Quran doesn't explicitly forbid smoking either. All it says is not to cast yourselves into destruction, which you do every day by living. By leaving your house you inhale smog, please stay at home your entire life!
2. It was only prohibited because your preachers couldn't keep themselves from getting drunk and reciting wrong prayers, thus forcing Muhammad to fabricate an aya to prohibit alcohol.
3. Pre-marital sex has nothing to do with health. Scientific research actually shows that having lots of sex (with different people) can actually be very healthy as long as you use protection to avoid STD's.
4. Illegal sex, is only illegal sex in your religion. Our idea of illegal sex is PREVENTING SEX WITH MINORS. Something you muslims have never heard of. You people are allowed to fuck 9 year olds and damage their reproductionary organs. Guess that's why Aisha never got pregnant. Western laws on sex are vastly superior to yours.
5. Pork is not any more detrimental to health than other types of meat. The only reason why pork was banned in your religion is because Muhammad needed to rip off some more stuff from Judaism to fill up his phony religion.
6. That has nothing to do with health at all.
7. I'm sure that's why you guys are gorging yourselves every night during Ramadan. Often leading to increased rates on diabetes and the deaths of the elderly.

Bonus round: 8. Burqa, Niqab and Hijab causing severe lack of Vitamin D in women, giving them brittle bones and endangering the babies they give birth to.

P.S: Your prophet prayed to Allah to keep him permanently poor? I guess that's why he had to fabricate an aya that grants him 10% of war booty.
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Haha
written by XY , September 14, 2009
Ashraf, I would rather "jack off" than rape someone out of lust. Or go tapping asses and feeling kafir girls at a crowded public place. The high seat of morality you seem to be seated on is actually your own hard on. What are you waiting for?
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To peacelover
written by XY , September 14, 2009
If Burqa's or the Ninja suits are a sign of modesty, I can tell you many women involved in the flesh trade all over South East Asia wear it. Does covering up imply the lady withdraws before attaining an orgasm?
What if she is not in a Ninja suit? Would that invite rape? If Ninja suits were a hedge against Rape, there would be no rapes of Muslima's in Muslim countries. There are scores and scores of stories which prove just that. Forget the ones not reported. Raping someone is a sign of weakness and moral depravity. A woman wouldn't have to worry about her modesty if she wouldn't have to fear getting molested or raped by some depraved pervert.
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written by XY , September 14, 2009
Ask yourself, Ashraf - What is better ? Consensual pre-marital sex ? Or a 2-3 week long Nikaah which ends with the dreaded "talaaq, talaaq, talaaq"? What about Muslim men preying on adolescent Muslim girls for sex? These Arabs come by the droves to developing countries for sex tourism. When Muslim men indulge, you have pretty much lost the argument. Don't we know what happens in the Middle (Y)East?
Look at what Islam has done to the world - People have forgotten their ethnicity and submitted their all at the feet of their Arab masters. This is nothing but Arab imperialism. Irrespective of your loyalty to the Ummah and faith in Allah, you will have to bow to your Arab masters.
Oh, Do I have to remind you of B.O.'s gesture. Maybe, the Saudi royal pointed at his shoes and said - Hey, mine are more shiny smilies/smiley.gif But the way B.O. genuflected was for the whole world to see. No camera tricks here, right ?
As for the rest of your rhetoric, they don't merit a reply.
Good luck... and I hope you have a strong back. As for the "Health Care" arguments you put up, they were downright laughable except for the psychedelic drugs bit... but hey, you guys are so high on Quran, you don't need anything else. Do you ? smilies/smiley.gif
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written by XY , September 14, 2009
Ok Ashraf, Lets take that story from the bible at face value.
Now, back to Islam vs X'tians :-
1) Lets compare how many X'tians marry their first cousins and how many Muslims end up doing the same. I bet the numbers will astound you.
2) Incest. The least said, the better. I know scores, yes, scores of Muslim boys and girls who have slept with their siblings. Oh, btw, they started off at the age of 7-8. Poor kids, no TV, no toys to amuse themselves with.. so they start playing with each others privates. Try Pakistan just once. You will love it smilies/smiley.gif
If you have a pretty first cousin and lust after her, its ok. Don't feel guilty. Just go for it... chances are she will agree because the poor girl doesn't have a choice. This is the freedom Islam gives to its women. As for the little fable you pulled out from some site, I'd love to hear how many people Christian girls sleep with their brothers based on that one fable.
But for the marauding Muslims who quote the Quran at every instance, should we raise our eyebrows? Naw, we have known it all along.... Religion of Peace. Yes indeed.
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written by XY , September 14, 2009
Divorce cases are a sign of empowerment of both genders. Give Muslima's a chance and watch them whoop your chauvinistic to a shade of crimson Asian Paints would envysmilies/smiley.gif
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written by XY , September 14, 2009
Hahahaha... protect your daughters from Pedophiles? Just take a walk down the road "more frequented" and you will run into Muslim men pimping their sisters, daughters and cousins. My friend, a bachelor, had recently moved into this Muslim neighborhood. A couple of weeks later, the landlord approached him and offered services of a certain kind. Curiosity got the better of my friend and he asked which religion the girls belonged to ? He said, oh, they're 100% Muslim. You don't have to fear a thing. If you like her, you can even marry her. So there... more coming. Of course, the Muslims will fiercely guard this bastion of theirs. So no stings, no reporters, nothing. I suggest you give it a try yourself.... for the sake of fairness.
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written by JohanM , September 14, 2009
Saudi Arabi has devorce rate more then 20%. Is it less!!?? Specially in a society where majority of the marriages are actually Misyar marriages. More then 55% marriages in Saudi Arabia are misyar marriages which is worst then the prostituion
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written by JohanM , September 14, 2009
Majority of the muslim marriages do take place among the cousins. This is clear cut incest but muslims do not consider this as an incest because Quran says so.

Infact muslims are inbred people.
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written by JohanM , September 14, 2009
There is a prolific Islamic Hallal Sex Industry going on in the poor countries. In Pakistan, Bangladesh, India (particualry Hydrabad) and various other poor countries the old Sheikhs from rich Arabian countries come and marry minor girls as young as 9-10 years old. There are Mullahs who alongwith their agents in the Gulf countries run this racket. These old but sex perverts come from the gulf contries marry the young girls. Mullahs and their agents make good money out of this buisiness. After few days or weeks they utter talaq, talaq, talaq and go home and new customers found and cycle keeps on going. But there is nothing wrong about it because everything is Islamically Hallal legal sex.

Some of the Sheikhs instead of devorcing they take their new minor bride alongwith them. They treat them worst then the domestic worker and get the work done from them and sex too without any cost. After few years they devorce these brides and these brides lend up in begging.
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@truthseeker
written by Someone , September 14, 2009
Wrong on many accounts. Islam is not about equality, at least not equality between men and women. A man is allowed to have more than one wife if he can treat them equally? First of all, that already shows you that there's no equality as women do not have the privilege of marrying multiple men if they wanted to do so. Secondly, by treating them all equally you need to split your attention. Basically, a normal husband with one wife can give said wife his full attention and affection. When he has two wives, he can only give half of his attention and affection to both. When he has four of them, all they'll have is a quarter of what a wife would have under normal marriages. Not only that, but allowing a man to established four families can be insanely damaging to children. It can cause jealousy between the wives (as seen occuring even between Muhammad's own wives), and a lot of other problems can show up. Polygamy is detrimental to family life, simple as that. Also, what was Aisha called again, "mother of the believers" right? Sunni Muslims believe Aisha was his favorite wife right? Do you know what favorite means? He loved her more than his other wives. That's not treating them equally. But besides all of that, NOWHERE does the Qur'an state you need to treat all wives EQUALLY. You just need to treat them JUSTLY, which is very different. If you read the tafsirs on this verse you will come to realize that the definition of dealing justly is far from treating them all equally.

Also, you, like many muslims, make the fundamental mistake regarding non-muslims once again. Yes there are men who cheat on their wives and beat them up, this is undeniable, but they do not do so because a BOOK TOLD THEM TO. They did this out of own choice and they can be punished for this.

Beating wives is unjustifiable and is punishable in every secular country. Yet is your Qur'an which gives PERMISSION to beat your wives, and the hadith even show that Muhammad said no man should be asked on why he beat his wife! It is your Qur'an which allows men to marry up to four women and have sex with slaves, that's what I would call legalized CHEATING.

We don't send our children to school? Don't make me laugh, school is obligatory in most Western countries until you are at least 18 years of age. If you keep your children at home you will get into legal troubles and you'll have to pay fines which are very expensive. It's in fact muslims, who in muslim countries, choose to keep their daughters at home and not send them to schools.

We prefer to sit at home and collect government handouts? How ironical! It's mostly muslim immigrants in our Western societies who are guilty of this. Want me to link the clip where one of your scholars is admiring the Western people for working hard and stating how Arab nations mostly sit on their asses all day?

Also, our governments rape, murder and pillage? Pot calling kettle black, that's exactly the same thing the early muslims did and for them it was justifiable through their religion. Western soldiers who commit rape or murder innocent people are PERSECUTED in their own countries afterwards.

Humans are imperfect indeed, and that is EXACTLY why Islam is just as imperfect, as it's a concocted story designed by one of the best examples of an imperfect human being.
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written by XY , September 14, 2009
Johan, these suckers are behind 3/4ths of the flesh trade originating in the Indian subcontinent as well as trafficking of women to the Middle East for sex slavery. From abducting young girls to luring them with promises of jobs in cities is just one of the tricks these swines employ. Hyderabad is a sex haven for these depraved muslim men from the Middle East.
As for the rights of Muslim women, a recent meeting of over 250 divorced Muslim women help group was attacked by the same Muslim men. The agenda of the meeting was to petition the Muslim Personal Law board seeking protection and alimony when the men just abandon the woman along with her children which leave them with little choice but to either beg or provide "services" of a certain nature for a fee. Sadly, the "Secular Press" refused to even mention the incident let alone raise a stink over it.

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MAKING OUT WITN MUZZIE WOMEN EBFORE MARRIAGE
written by MAKING OUT WITN MUZZIE WOMEN E , September 16, 2009


mere param pujya makji [my dear worshippable makji ]

u r a real prophet of truth,and so u r worshippable,u r a rishi a sage a saint.

u have more knowledge than muzzie mullas.

alhamdulillaahhhh

vande bharat mataram

better to worship mother india than stone in desert


zak-ex-muslim from india
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in gulf too
written by JohanM , September 16, 2009
Not only in South East Asia but in gulf too. You can expereince this in Abu-Dhabi, Dubai, Sharjah too where a lot of burqa clad women are involved in the flesh trade.
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TEACH TOLERANCE
written by sarah joosab , September 17, 2009
i'm shocked at the lies and deceit about ISLAM on this website.
i'm also disgusted with the teachings of hatred against this website towards muslims.
can you not teach LOVE, MERCY AND COMPASSION for all of ALLAH'S CREATIONS?
SO THAT...
THERE CAN BE MUTUAL TOLERANCE AND UNDERSTANDING INSTEAD OF HATE...

I'M SO DISGUSTED WITH THIS WEBSITE THAT I WOULD RATHER CONECT WITH MY CREATOR ,ALMIGHTY ALLAH, THE MOST BENIFICIENT THE MOST MERCIFUL, DURING THESE AUSPICIOUS DAYS AND NIGHTS OF RAMADAAN; INSTEAD OF READING SUCH FILTH, NONSENSE AND LIES AGAINST MY RELIGION, MY CREATOR AND MY BELOVED PROPHET (PBUH).
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=_=
written by eiyda , September 17, 2009
Disclaimer: I am a Muslim

I think this site is not helping. You can't create peace & harmony & love by attacking other people's believe, man. I guess this place is soo full of hatred. both from the muslim or the non-muslim. What are you trying to achieve? (I've read the about us but I just think this is ridiculous)

Don't even understand why I bother. But everyone's reaction just broke my heart. Be civilized!
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written by Shibli Zaman , September 19, 2009
Only islam can bring peace after it replaces kufr which prevails in most of the world.Allah has his ways. Mus;lims will capture world by procreation. Europe will be muslim majority in 20 years. Next will be US.
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written by Machmoed elchalid , November 12, 2009
I'm sure this lady knows that it is haraam for muslim women, but her intelligent is telling her that it cannot be. Welcome to a freethinking world. It's the law within the nature/life that's telling you it can't be God who ordained such a thing. Btw the Thora is telling the same.
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written by OneReligion , October 31, 2011
You sick people, have you even read your own scriptures? Has your religion taught you hatred and treachery? If your beliefs are so strong in your own religion why don't you sit in prayer all day?

May Allah forgive you for your blasphemy.
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To Ashraf and Sarah Joosab and Shibli Zaman..
written by Farhan , October 31, 2011
La ilaha illAllah
Zakir Naikur Rasulullah.
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To all you misguided kuffar, please listen carefully
written by Farhan , October 31, 2011
La ilaha illAllah
Zakir Naikur Rasulullah.
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move on
written by lover , December 18, 2011
guys, shut up with this debate already.....and concentrate on finding a solution.

i once knew a girl who was a year younger to me. we had a relationship that couldnt last because she was muslim and i was an atheist. so i walked up to her dad and told him how love has no religion.

of course we still had to end it...but we've moved on from the debate and so should you....

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