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Democracy: The Trojan Horse for Islamization, Part 3

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How Democratic politics are faciliatating the Islimization of Europe and other democratic non-Muslim nations???


[ Part 1 - Part 2 - Part 3 ]

Political Rivalry: It has been mentioned in the previous article that that in 711, Moors, after the Umayyad conquest of Hispania, occupied large parts of the Iberian Peninsula establishing the Al-Andalus (Moorish Spain). Incidentally, the Islamic caliphate had not yet targeted Spain for conquest, but a political rivalry in the Visigothic kingdom, between King Roderrick and Count Julian created an opportunity that Tariq and his army to attack Spain before an order was issued from Damascus. Thus, the political rivalry among the Visigoths culminated into the Islamic slavery of Spain that lasted for over 700 years, up to 1492.

It was also mentioned that in India, there was bitter rivalry between Prithwiraj Chauhan, the Emperor of Delhi, and Jaichand, the king of Kannauj. This rivalry led Jaichand to invite Muhammad Ghori to invade Delhi. Jaichand is said to have provided active support to the Muslim army. Ultimately Prithwiraj was defeated and killed by the army of Muhammad Ghori, which initiated the Muslim rule in India that lasted for more than 700 years.

We may add another example in this context. In the 18th century, the Hindus of Bengal, to get rid of the tyrannical Muslim ruler Nawab Siraj-ud-daula, entered into a conspiracy with Lord Clive, the then Governor General of British East India Company and according to this conspiracy the British army won the decisive battle at Plassey in 1757 and thus initiated the British slavery in India that lasted for nearly 200 years, up to August 15, 1947.

These incidents show how disastrous it can be to invite foreign enemies in solving internal rivalry between the rulers of the Middle Ages. It is a matter of serious concern that similar rivalry and bitterness has now appeared among the political parties in the democratic world. In the Middle Ages, this enmity and rivalry ended up in bloody battles that have now been replaced by the battle of ballots. In those days, the rival kings sought military help even from the enemies of the nation; today, the hostile political parties are appeasing the enemies of the nation for votes. Or more pointedly, they are appeasing Muslims for their votes.

Political enmity and Muslim appeasement: In this context, we may cite the example of the rival political between the Labour Party and the Conservative Party in the UK. All over the world, the Leftists are more sympathetic to Muslims. Accordingly, the Labour Party in the UK had a sweet relationship with immigrant Muslims. But this sweet relationship turned sour when the Labour Government sent troops to Afghanistan and Iraq. This development led the Labour MP Gerald Hain to say (May 12, 2008): “Labour needs to change tack on foreign policy to win back voters, who deserted the party over the Iraq war. …. Hundreds of thousands of Muslims had been lost to Labour as a result of the worsening situation in Iraq. …We must win back Muslim voters.”

This Muslim appeasing also has its telling effect on the Labour Party as says a political analyst: “Labour is steadily losing support among ordinary Britons, including some alienated sections of the working class. They so heartily despise, as people are increasingly starting to realise what they are about. It is sheer desperation, an unscrupulous attempt to cling onto power whatever the price may be. And without a doubt the Islamic scum will demand a heavy price for the support this despicable government so desperately needs.”

Nonetheless, as Muslims started deserting Labour, the Conservatives started wooing them. Political analyst David Sapsted wrote on April 17, 2010: “The Muslim votes would be a crucial element when both the Labour and Conservative parties are fighting a close battle to get an overall majority in the 646-seat parliament.” The present Conservative Government's Muslim appeasement is seen in its shameless submission to the Muslim demands in an instruction issued by the Bedfordshire Police on December 12, 2010, regarding how to deal with the terrorists and dangerous criminals (For detail, see “Highly Deplorable Religious Discrimination in the UK”). It is surprising that Great Britain, considered to be one of the pioneers for establishing democracy based on individual equality and freedom, can indulge in such a biased and religiously discriminatory policy. This directly contradicts the very foundation Liberal Democracy. It is to be noted here that in democracies, political parties have to depend on the voters to stay in power. But such a need does not arise in a totalitarian state, like the Communist China or Saudi Arabia.

Muslim appeasement in other democratic countries: France is another democratic country in Europe. Here, it is not possible for single political party to win election and form the government. “French politics are characterised by two politically opposed groupings: one left-wing, centred around the French Socialist Party, and the other right-wing, centred previously around the Rassemblement pour la République (RPR) and now its successor the Union for a Popular Movement (UMP). The executive branch is currently composed mostly of the UMP.” The rivalry between these two groupings has given rise to naked appeasement of the Muslim voters. Recently Ali Khalaf in his article “France: Most Islam Friendly Kafir Country” has nicely narrated the present French Government’s shocking appeasement of Muslims. [2]

India is a democratic country where Muslims constitute about 15% of the total population. In the political scenario of India, there a few national political parties like the National Congress, the Communist Party of India-Marxist (CPIM) and Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), and there are many regional parties. All these political parties are openly appeasing the Muslims, by whatever means they can, to grab their votes. In the state of West Bengal (WB), the Left Front (a coalition of the leftist parties led by CPIM) came to power with the help of Muslim votes and stayed in power for the past 30 years. But at present, the regional party, the Trinamool Congress, led by Mamata Banerji, has succeeded in winning over the Muslims through more attractive and lucrative promises. So, in the last Parliamentary Election held in 2009, the Left Front suffered a setback. Most of the people of the state have already started to believe that in the coming Assembly Election to be held in April or May, 2011, Muslim votes would go to Trinamool Congress, and Mamata Banerji would be the next Chief Minister of the state.

The result of Muslim appeasement: The question naturally arises: Can we equate today’s Muslim appeasement with inviting foreign Muslim enemies by the discontented Count Julian of Spain or Jaichand of Kanauj. The reply is: “Yes”. In those days, inviting foreign Muslim powers led to Islamic slavery and, in a similar manner, today’s Muslim appeasement would lead to the same: slavery to Muslim domination. Today’s politicians, due to their inadequate understanding of Muslim psyche, or knowing everything well and just to fool and mislead the non-Muslim population of the country, are propagating the notion that the Muslim immigrants are just like any other immigrant groups. They also propagate the wrong notion that, like other immigrant groups, Muslim will also finally integrate with the indigenous people and adopt local culture.

So, Labour MP Barry Gardner, in commenting on the Muslims of the Wembly area of London, said: “But I say that those people are British. They are proud to be British. They are proud to be a part of this society. And I am proud to represent the most multicultural borough in this country and indeed in Europe. We have more than hundred and sixty different first languages spoken in our borough and hundred and thirty different first languages spoken in our schools. We are proud of that and we are proud of the fact that by the time our children reach to go to secondary schools, that they are achieving above the national average at the key stage two. Every single one of these schools in Britain. These children are our future.” But the stern reality is that, those Muslim children in due course of time will turn the UK into an Islamic state by simple majority.

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Danish Psychologist's study of Muslim psyche: Recently, Nicholai Sennels, a Danish psychologist, has made a highly laudable research on Islamic psyche and published his results in his article “Muslims and Westerners: The Psychological Differences”. Sennels, as a psychologist, have more than a hundred Muslim clients, and this has provided him an excellent opportunity to study and observe minds of Muslim immigrants in Denmark. On the criminal propensity of immigrant Muslims, Sennels says: “We should stop talking about "criminal foreigners" and start using the more precise term, "criminal Muslims. …A serious discussion about the relationship between the Muslim culture and criminal, antisocial behavior is, indeed, very much needed.” He is also writing a book, entitled “Among Criminal Muslims: A Psychologist's Experiences from the Copenhagen Municipality”.

To quote from above article:

He says, “After having consulted with 150 young Muslim clients in therapy and 100 Danish clients (who, on average, shared the same age and social background as their Muslim inmates), my findings were that the “Muslims’ cultural and religious experiences played a central role in their psychological development and criminal behavior or Criminal foreigners". He also says, “According to official statistics from Danmarks Statistik, all non-Muslim groups of immigrants are less criminal than the ethnic Danes. Even after adjusting, according to educational and economic levels, all Muslim groups are more criminal than any other ethnic group. Seven out of 10, in the youth prison, where I worked, were Muslim.”

The Muslim way of howing anger
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He says that the Muslims, as a community, are angry and often express their anger. In this regard, he says, “In the Muslim culture, aggressive behavior, especially threats, are generally seen to be accepted, and even expected as a way of handling conflicts and social discrepancies. If a Muslim does not respond in a threatening way to insults or social irritation, he, not "she" (Muslim women are, mostly, expected to be humble and to not show power) is seen as weak. In the eyes of civilized people, it looks immature and childish when people try to use threatening behavior. “The Islamic expression of "holy anger" is therefore completely contradictory to any Western society”, he says.

Sennels have found another important difference between the Westerners and the Muslim immigrants and says, “Westerners feel that their lives are mainly influenced by inner forces – ourselves. But Muslims have something else. They have strict external rules, traditions and laws for human behavior (as ordained by Allah in the Koran). They have a God that decides their life's course. "Inshallah" follows every statement about future plans; if God wants it to happen. They have powerful Muslim clerics who set the directions for their community every Friday. These clerics dictate political views.”

Will Muslims integrate in Western societies: As mentioned, the Muslim-appeasing politicians, either due to their inadequate understanding of Islam or to mislead the common people, propagate the idea that Islam is a 'religion of peace', and in the long run, Muslims will assimilate the Western way of life. But, all evidence suggests this is impossible. From the very childhood, they are trained to hate whatever is un-Islamic. They learn to hate non-Muslims as kafirs, and to hate their culture and customs. As soon as pious Muslims set their foot in a non-Muslim country, their Islamic teachings tell them: “You are entering a kafir country, a land of your enemies. You must not take them as friend. It is a dar-ul-harb, a land of war, and you have to conquer this country for Islam to turn it into a dar-ul-Islam." So, it is next to impossible to make them loyal to the host country and adapt them to its culture.

While commenting on this aspect of immigrant Muslims, Sennels writes, “European, Australian and North American politicians have spent trillions of Euros and Dollars in trying to avoid the apparently unavoidable: the failed integration of Muslims. Money has been spent on voluntary offers that our badly integrated foreigners can use if they want. They do sometimes try, but it very seldom works. What we have to understand is that we are dealing with people who grew up in cultures with an "outer - locus of control." Self reflection and self responsibility have much less importance to them.”

“We should not permit the destruction of our cities by lawless parallel societies, with groups of roaming criminal Muslims overloading of our welfare system and the growing justified fear that non-Muslims have of violence. The consequences should be so strict that it would be preferable for any anti-social Muslim to go back to a Muslim country, where they can understand, and can be understood by their own culture. …We should not permit the destruction of our cities by lawless parallel societies - Muslim gangs in Melbourne. …From my experiences with the 150 Muslims I have had in therapy, only a handful felt themselves to be Danish. Most saw themselves as Somalis, Turks, Moroccans, Pakistanis, and Iraqis who now live in Denmark. Almost none of them saw themselves as an integrated part of the Danish society”, Sennels adds.

It has been mentioned that the British Labour MP Barry Gardner, when speaking in the House of Commons, said that the children of the immigrants will feel proud to be a British citizens. It could be true for the immigrants of other religious groups, but not for the Muslims. While commenting on this aspect, Sennels says, “This was a real shock to me. Many of my Muslim clients were second or even third generation immigrants, but, still they did not feel Danish. Actually it seemed that many of them were even more religious and hateful towards non-Muslims than their first generation immigrant parents.”

“A French survey in Le Figaro showed that only 14 percent of the country's estimated five million Muslims see themselves as ‘more French than Muslim’. …Only 12 percent of Muslims living in Germany see themselves as more German than Muslim. …A Danish survey published by the pro-Muslim pro-democratic organization Democratic Muslims led by the Danish PM and Muslim Naser Khader showed that “Only 14 percent of Muslims living in Denmark could identify themselves as democratic and Danish", Sennels adds.

It, thus, becomes evident that Muslim immigrants in European countries will never assimilate themselves with Western societies and are determined to retain their Muslim identity. They are not loyal to their adopted countries; on the contrary, they are trying their best to conquer it for Islam by over populating the indigenous Christians through rapid breeding. So, a concerted effort of all the political parties of all the affected countries is the needed to frustrate their design of turning Europe into an Islamic continent.

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written by neoritz , January 08, 2011
Dr. Radheyshayam Brahmachari, thank you for this great article. Yes you are right political rivalry is giving free run to Muslim terrorists and even exonerating them from terrorism, e.g. today an article published in TOI carries a story that Swami Aseemanand is responsible for meccca masjid blast, earlier it was the CBI who blamed LeT and HUJI for that blast, later NIA had recorded the statement of David Headly that indeed Samjhuata train blast, and mecca masjid blast of Hyderabad were the handy work of LeT and HuJI.
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Indian Muslim
written by Archpagan , January 08, 2011
Scratch any Indian Muslim, you will find a Pakistani. Perhaps Muslim comprise 60% of our prison population. Many thanks sir for your enlightening article.
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Democracy in Islam
written by balam , January 08, 2011
It is an excellant article which won't go well with the MUSLIM APPEASRS.The Muslims are justified in believing that one day they would take over the West and trample over it for many centuries as the history has revealed but we still do not learn from the history.As the saying goes that the people who do not learn from history,never learn anything.The Muslims of India,Pakistan and Bangladesh were once Hindus but coverted to Islam through rape and threat of sword.These very people are the worst enemies of the Hindus and other Non-Muslims now.The Muslims spread and multipliedwith the sword and bedroom jihad and now only sword can contain and decimate that dangerous VIRUS called Islam.
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written by Reed Wilson. , January 09, 2011
To Dr. Radhasyam Brahmachari. Islam and Muslims are often confused with each other. Islam means believing in one god and is submitting will to will of God. It is a virtue or a trait or quality which can be found in individuals of any people.

Muslims are two kinds, those who possess and profess the virtue of Islam and an ethnic group which calls them Muslims.

Islam has nothing to do with ‘bitter rivalry between Prithwiraj Chauhan, the Emperor of Delhi, and Jaichand, the king of Kannauj’ and ‘invasion of Muhammad Ghori’. This is all politics not Islam. I agree that Democracy has proved to be The Trojan Horse for Muslimization but not Islamization.

The Le Figaro survey appears to be fallacious. ‘Only 14 percent of the country's estimated five million Muslims see themselves as ‘more French than Muslim’. What is that? What about remaining 86%? Are they not Muslims. When the whole is Muslim how a segment can be different? Same is true for the Danish survey mentioned in the article.

You conclude that “It, thus, becomes evident that Muslim immigrants in European countries will never assimilate themselves with Western societies and are determined to retain their Muslim identity”.

This conclusion does not go with the title of the article. It is not true also. There is a cabinet Minister in the present British Government who is an immigrant Muslim woman. Is she not loyal to her adopted country?

You claim “they (immigrant Muslims) are trying their best to conquer it for Islam by over populating the indigenous Christians through rapid breeding”. No such evidence was advanced in the article. The lady immigrant minister, Sayeeda Warsi, (Baroness Warsi) has only one daughter in more than 18 years married life.

Contrarily I observe that the Muslim immigrants are more prone to absorption. Your name is seemingly Indian where Muslims have fully merged in adopted society and have dissolved their original culture.

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Inch by inch, Europe/US/Westare conquered!
written by Katharina Sri (ex Noor Aza) , January 09, 2011
For a start, I hope the Republican Party will defeat for good, that suspected most cunning Islamic Trojan Horse, Hussein Obama, who are forcing Judeo-Christian and Western civilization to kneel down like SLAVES to Islam! See - Bill Warner, Director, Center for the Study of Political Islam:

Tend My Flock
January 3, 2011

If you ask a Christian leader why he does not speak out on Islam, you get some version of: My duty is to tend to my flock, to help them become better Christians. My job is not to oppose Islam....What would it mean if a Christian leader tried to follow Christ's example of knowing the subject? It would mean that the leader would know the Koran and the Sunna of Mohammed. He would be able to comment on the great themes of the Koran and know it as a story. He would know the Sira, the life of Mohammed, and have detailed knowledge of the Hadith. He would know the history of the Christian dhimmi. He would know what happened to the Seven Churches of Asia mentioned in Revelation. He would know how Egypt, Turkey, North Africa, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon all went from being Christian to Islamic. This is not difficult work for a scholar. It can be done in six months with present books. Just reading Mark Durie and Bat Ye'or's The Third Choice, would give them a running start. He would know more than 90% of all Christian leaders.
Once you get your knowledge, you need one more quality, courage. A leader would stand in public and discuss the truth of the facts of Islam. According to political correctness and multiculturalism, that would not be nice, since someone might disapprove or become upset. Nice people do not confront others. That is not nice. The modern Christian prefers the Gospel of Nice to the Gospel of Christ. As a result of the Gospel of Nice, the Christian leader does not need courage..... (at - http://www.politicalislam.com/)
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written by Reed Wilson. , January 10, 2011
Katharina Sri. You write “If you ask a Christian leader why he does not speak out on Islam, you get some version of: My duty is to tend to my flock, to help them become better Christians. My job is not to oppose Islam”.

If the Christian leader replies that he is lying. How can he make me a better Christian? His job is to make money out of religion and misguide people. He cannot legitimatize his profession through Bible. The Bible, Quran and other scriptures were not given to clergies. They are addressed to common man who is independently answerable to God.

If a Christian leader tried to follow Christ's example of knowing the subject he would know Christianity which has no place for priest. Will he shoot his own feet?

Knowledge of Sira, the life of Mohammed, and detailed knowledge of the Hadith are not needed in Islam. Islam came without this literature and remained without hadis for initial 300 years.

Muslim priest is equally cunning. He invented all this for his profession and to justify his existance. No body on surface of earth has complete knowledge of hadith. The hadith or the alleged narrations of Muhammad are innumerable and unfathomable.

Dhimmi is a word which is not found in Quran, leaving alone Christian dhimmi, Jew dhimmi or Hindu dhimmi. or what not dhimmi.

The word was perhaps coined by the so called fuqaha or wise men like teachers of law in Bible. The teachers of law or fuqaha who recommended crucifixion of Jesus Christ. We have lot of them in all the religious denominations.

I agree with you Kathrina on many counts.



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written by Clement- Islam-Watch Pastor , January 10, 2011
REED, I like this your post above "If a Christian leader tried to follow Christ's example of knowing the subject he would know Christianity which has no place for priest. Will he shoot his own feet?"
Christian followed the example of Christ of what he taught and did as recorded in the Bible that is why they are called Christians(Chirst like). where can we find the teaching and example of Mohammed to be Mohammed-like the preacher of the Quran since you reject the Hadith and the Sira. where can we see where he practiced what he taught if he was not a hypocrite or an imposter. How can we know whether or not he believed what he preached? Anyone can say he was the mounth piece of God but not everyone who say so was truely from God except we see how he himself practiced what he preached. This is where we can know a false prophet and a true one.The quran did not answer all this questions but the hadith and Sira did. That is How we know that Mohammed did not believe what he preached because he did not practice them. And anyone that practiced what Mohammed taught and did as SUNNAH become a terorist, an assasin, a polygamist, a child abuser-Pedophile, a mass murderer. Why should you blindly follow a book produced by false prophet and a hypocrite posing to be what he was not?

You see REED trying to run away from the knowing who your prophet realy was cannot save you. In law ignorant is not an excuse not to talk of a deliberate one for that matter. You think posing to be ignorant of of your prophet life and deeds will shield you from the wrath of God. Even the content of the Quran is enough to know the evil nature of the book not talk of ascribing divinity into it like you did. You think God will spare you because you are ignorant that the Quran was inspired by the devil?



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Appeasing Islam and Muslims
written by balam , January 10, 2011
A good SHEPHERD lays down his life to protect his sheep.If any Christian leader is not prepared to tend and protect his sheep from the wolves of Allah,he should never be allowed to take that position of responsibility.Hussein Obama is a good Muslim and a wolf in sheep clothing,because he is treacherous like Mohammad whom he really follows in thoughts and deeds.He fooled the American puplic once and he should never be trusted next time.Be fore he leaves the White House,he could do irreparble damage the that great country U.S.A.
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written by eddy , January 11, 2011
Another reason why I left Islam is that Quran is full of internal contradictions, scientific errors and historical blunders. Muslims claim that Quran is ‘a miracle of miracles.’ This statement is a blatant and greatest lie ever told. Here are a few samples of contradictions in Quran: examples of internal contradictions-- 54:19 mentions Aad was destroyed in a day but 69:6,7 mentions Aad was destroyed in seven nights and eight days; 19:17 shows an angel appeared to Mary but 3:42 shows several angels appeared; 28:40 mentions pharaoh drowned and died but 10:92 states that the same pharaoh was saved; examples of scientific errors--18:86 states that sun sets in a muddy spring of water; 15:19 mentions earth is flat; 86:6,7 states that semen emits from between back-bone and the ribs; examples of historical blunders—19:27,28 states that Mary was the sister of Aaron, whereas history shows they were born about 1300 years apart; 28:8 tells that pharaoh and Haman were living at the same time and place whereas history clearly shows they were born about 1000 years apart and pharaoh lived in Egypt and Haman lived in Shushan city in Persia; and 4:157 says that Jesus was not crucified whereas it is crystal clear in historical records that Jesus was crucified and not another man who looked like Jesus. By the way, the transliterated name of Jesus in arabic Quran is Isa but even this is wrong because the name of Esau, brother of Jacob (Yaqub in arabic) is Isa in arabic. The correct transliterated name of Jesus in arabic is Yasu. Isa (Esau) means ‘hairy’ and Yasu (Jesus) means ‘God saves.’ Muslims tell so many lies to cover up all internal contradictions, scientific errors and historical blunders in Quran. Any sane person can become sick of Muslim apologists’ deception and lies of ‘out of context,’ ‘bad translation’ and ‘arabic Quran can not be translated’ to hide and conceal the contradictions in the Quran.
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Why are you censoring my freedom of speech to criticize Islam?
written by Katharina Sri (ex Noor Aza) , January 11, 2011
Don't be a fake! And stop my freedom of speech to criticize Islam!
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2 Eddy
written by Machmoed , January 12, 2011
examples of historical blunders—19:27,28 states that Mary was the sister of Aaron, whereas history shows they were born about 1300 years apart.

Mary, Aaron, moses etc etc. are not historical. They are not a part of history (no serious histographer will claim otherwise). Yes the orinal story of moses etc. can be located sonmewhere in 1000-1400 B.C. but the story is much older. The story of an infant sent on a river in some kind of basket and raised by others wich become later a king has many many comparisons. It's from Sargon of Akkad. Moses himself is known to many cultures in different names. In India the lawgiver is Manu. In Greece it was Minos. In Egypte it was Amun Messe or Mises. They allmost all received their divine tablets on a mountain. This goes also for other biblical/quranic prophets/messengers etc.

For example Avraham is considered to be the archfather and the word Avraham means indeed father of many. Archeology has showed us an interresting fact. Avraham or Avram (Akkadian language) is found in a story approxiamately 5.000 years old (way before the hebrews started to write their so called history) as an worshipper of Baal. Baal in Seria became Hu baal in Hidjaaz much later. What the quraish did before Muhammad came existent in their lifes, Avraham and others did it thousands of years before. In the story of Ebla Avram worshipped Baal and sometimes he called it El. This is not different than Hu baal and Allah. Baal= Hu baal, El=Allah.
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Another reason why I left Islam.
written by Reed Wilson. , January 17, 2011
To eddy. It is good to divorce a set of beliefs which does not convince you. Regarding the contradictions pointed out by you, I make following submission.

You write “Verse 54:19 mentions Aad was destroyed in a day but 69:6,7 mentions Aad was destroyed in seven nights and eight days”. I give below the verses:

54:19. “And I sent against them a howling wind in a day of ill fortune which was continuous”.

69:6-7. “And the 'Ad were destroyed by the furious cold blast of roaring wind (6) Which He sent to assail them for seven nights and eight days running”.
No contradiction found.

You write “Verse 19:17 shows an angel appeared to Mary but 3:42 shows several angels appeared”. It is true that verses 3:42-45 speak of several angels, while 19:17-21 speak of only one (Gabriel), however by reading these verses carefully we note that they speak of different events that took place at different times.

Verse 3:45 says"The angels said, "O Mary, GOD gives you good news: a Word from Him whose name is `The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary. He will be prominent in this life and in the Hereafter and one of those closest to Me."

Verses 19:17-21 say "He (Gabriel) said, "I am the messenger of your Lord, to grant you a pure son.", Here we are told of the specific time of the conception of Jesus inside Mary's womb. At that time Mary was a grown up lady. That mission was given specifically to Gabriel, thus we read in 19:19 how Gabriel told Mary that he was sent specifically by Almighty God to grant her a pure child. Therefore it may not be mistaken as contradiction.

I am taking up the remaining observations in following post. I wish you luck and satisfaction.


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written by Reed Wilson. , January 17, 2011

To eddy. Now I take up 2 remaining observations. You write “Verse 28:40 mentions pharaoh drowned and died but 10:92 states that the same pharaoh was saved”. I give respective verses below:

Verse 28:40 says “I caught him (pharaoh) with his army and threw him”.

Verse 10:92 says “Today I will save your body only so that it may become a warning sign for the progeny” (God is saying to the drowning pharaoh who sought his refuge). Pharaoh was not saved. His body was recently discovered after more than 3000 years and the scientists identified it.
No contradiction in the above statements.

You write “verse 18:86 states that sun sets in a muddy spring of water” which is a scientific error.

The verse does not say that sun sets in muddy spring water. The verse rather states that the "he reached to such place at the time of sunset where he found as sun was setting in muddy spring of water". Quran at various places tells that the sun does not set at all.

Therefore there is no scientific error whatsoever.

God willing, I will take up the remaining observations later/soon. In the meantime I appreciate your curiosity for truth and wish you luck and satisfaction.
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To Reed Wilson
written by Hilm , January 18, 2011
You refute the claim that Muslim immigrants are trying to conquer Europe by having a lot of children. As an example you name the lady immigrant minister, Sayeeda Warsi, (Baroness Warsi) has only one daughter in more than 18 years married life. As a European may I offer you an explanation: a small number of Muslims do adapt to our ways, but many do not and cause a lot of problems. Baroness Warsi is a typical example of a female Muslim who as an inhabitant of a Western country was given the opportunity to get a good education and she has seized this opportunity with both hands. She was fortunate that her parents allowed their daughter to make such a choice in life. In my experience the few Muslim girls who are allowed to pursue higher education tend to be ambitious and are really able to make something of their lives. I know a few women like that.
However, many Muslim parents do not stimulate their children to do well at school. Education for girls is not considered important. The reason young Muslim males don't do well in school is because being male and Muslim, they think they are superior to anyone else (female Muslims and non-Muslims) so why make an effort?
Now the rest of us are stuck with a large group of unemployed, uneducated and hostile group of sometimes third-generation Muslim immigrants who openly threaten to take over our societies.
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to Reed Wilson
written by Hilm , January 18, 2011
I forgot to add that this type of successful female Muslim tends to lead a life simmilar to her Western-borm counterparts. She is either married with 1-3 children or remains unmarried. It is not easy for such a woman to find a suitable partner. The family in most cases will only accept a Muslim partner, and so she has to find a male Muslim who will 'allow' her to have a career. No easy feet.
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written by Reed Wilson. , January 18, 2011
To Hilm. Thanks for directing your posts to me. I agree with you on all your points. I am of the same view.

You say "Now the rest of us are stuck with a large group of unemployed, uneducated and hostile group". I am not sure if they are hostile. I find apathy in them towards the adapted society. They are not owning that society.

The author thinks “they (immigrant Muslims) are trying their best to conquer it for Islam by over populating the indigenous Christians through rapid breeding” which I did not agree. They may not be trying their best to do any thing.

My main consideration is Islam and not ethnic muslims.


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