www.islam-watch.org

Hitler,a Roman Catholic.Stalin,a Jesuit priest,And Mohammad,turned into a cult by the pope.

Hitler and Stalin were atheists. Hitler's model for governing Germany was to take Darwinian Evolution ,and apply it to the law system. They both were greatly influenced by atheism ,and the theory of evolution. Hitler specifically did so in trying to create his "master race". So 2 of the most notorious killers ,being responsible for over 100 million deaths combined , were ardent atheists. Mohammed the only one here who even really had a religion (that is if you don't count atheism as a religion). Was taking the words of the Bible twisting them ,and then adding his own "revelations". So all 3 are hundreds of millions of deaths on the basis of rejecting God's true word ,and following (for the most part ) man-made laws and ideas. Atheists ,ans Muslims have no right to point out the Crusades (the Crusades were actually political anyway ,and certainly not based on Biblical teachings) as a crime committed by Christianity when their own hands are soaked in blood ,and did so not by failing to live up to their professed beliefs ,but by following them to their logical conclusion.

get an education and maybe some facts.

http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/12/third-reich-christendom-church-antisemitism-and-dejudaizing-jesus/

You're absolutely right here.

@ aaki

'Endlösung' (final solution), word invented by Adolf Eichmann
The main architect of the plan Heinrich Himmler (an admirer of Islam)
First man in history who dreamed about this; Muhammed
First 'pogrom' on European soil; Cordoba (El Andaluz) executed by muslims in1011, exactly 1000 years ago
First time fascist ideology was put on paper; 7th century (in the Arab language)

It would only be fair to history if we knew concepts like 'Endlösung' and 'Pogrom' by Arab words.

Baal worship.Christmas tree with hanging bulbs is Baal tree with heads hanging.

Black stone wins
Tree will be dead and burnt for cooking (useful)
Black stone meteorite is a right hand of Allah and it will have eyes ears and tongue to tell who came to Saudi and who didnt
(Fiqh-Us-Sunnah, Vol 5, No 74b) & (Sunan Ibn-I-Majah (Imam Abu Abdullah Muhammad b. Yazid Ibn-I-Maja Al-Qazwini)

Wow that is probably the first positive comment I have received.

@ dead or alive

Actually I heard that the Christmas tree was adapted from a pagan festival known as Saturnalia. What is wrong with using a tree to decorate your house ,and celebrate a special occasion? Christians aren't worshiping the tree. Also God is the one who made all trees ,so why would it be wrong for a Christian to use something God made in a celebration of something that God did for us? God created everything in the beginning ,but later people who reject God took things ,and began to twist them and incorporate them into their festivals. Now if a Christian went to India and started worshiping cows ,then that would be a problem. Also I never heard of anyone worshiping Baal with evergreens ,and putting "Baal heads" on them. One reason that Christians use the evergreen tree for their celebration is to point to the fact that Jesus offers eternal life. Similarity between 2 things doesn't equal common ancestry (even though the pseudo-science of evolution teaches this it isn't a necessity for similarity).

Christmas bulbs represent severed heads hanging by hair from tree branches.Isaiah was sawn in half when being inserted in a log. This tree is somewhere in the book of Isaisah.

It is good to rub shoulders in Mecca.For me, the temple came to me.No need for me to go to the temple.

I'm sorry ,but without something to back this up I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe. Besides Christmas trees weren't used until many hundreds of years after Isaiah was killed. I also don't remember the book of Isaiah telling how he died. I would like a verse number ,and a real reference to this about the "Baal heads".

How prophet Isaiah was murdered,and by who?The apostle Paul said he was sawn in half I can not give location in Bible where Paul spoke,or Baal tree in book of Isaiah,I did read the Bible and understood it.

Hitler and Stalin were not atheists but following nazi and communist idealogies respectively. Atheists do not subscribe to any organised idealogy or cult,whether it uses the ploy of an imaginery super spook called 'god' or by any other name or not. Atheists are people like Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, George Bernard Shaw, Bertrand Russelo, Steven Weinberg, Carl Sagan,and the like, not those who have political agendas, powerbrokers who live off the gullible masses,crooks, charlatans, swindlers, conmen,thugs who find the use of this superimaginery spook to achieve their political and economic ends. All padres, evangelists, gurus, saints, godmen are stinkingly rich while they give their hypocritically sanctimonious sermons with great greed in their hearts. Hitler/Stalin/ Lenin/PolPot/MaoTsetung, /Saddam Hussain, etc are all typical of these crooks and powerbrokers. So please do not honour these thugs by calling them atheists.

I'm glad you brought up George Bernard Shaw. He was one person who advocated for the gas chambers.He talked about having a government set up where a person presented themselves to the government every so often ,and if they weren't producing more than they consumed ,or providing some other kind of benefit to society then they should be killed. He wanted someone to invent a gas that could kill quickly and silently. He was a madman. Atheist simply means "no God". Since Hitler and Stalin didn't believe in God ,then they are atheists. Jesus was never rich. In fact He was a carpenter. This profession was considered to be little better than a slave at the time. He was also not hypocritical. He did as He Himself taught. Communism ,and Nazism are both offshoots of atheistic philosophy. Darwinian Evolution played a huge role in the policy making of Nazi Germany. In fact it was one of the biggest influences on Hitler. Richard Dawkins is very bitter ,and very hateful towards anyone who doesn't believe the lie of evolution(there is natural selection and adaptation ,but monkeys never evolved into men ,and life did not arise by itself). If anything it's evolutionary scientists who fit your above example of greedy power brokers. Darwin didn't even come up with it he stole it, Haeckles embryo's is a fraud ,peppered moths is a fraud(but even if it wasn't it isn't a problem for Christianity) ,archaeoraptor is a fraud , and a large part of the supposed "human ancestors" are frauds or falsely portrayed. Not to mention the evolution propaganda in every sphere of human life ,from bumper stickers ,to movies ,and books. Evolution can't stand on it's own so it needs all sorts of hoaxes and frauds to keep it afloat ,and where it doesn't have those it has the insanely active imagination of evolutionary scientists. Almost every day they change what evolved into what ,and when this happened. The only difference between your above list of atheists ,and the one below ( I'm not sure about Saddam Hussein or Pol Pot ,but the rest were certainly atheist) is that the ones below simple acted on the logical conclusion of their worldview. George Bernard Shaw was even trying to get things like the Nazi gas chambers in place. The only thing separating those men is consistency in what they believe. Even Dawkins admitted that there is absolutely no morals when it comes to evolution.

It is interesting where the nazis ended up at the end of the war.In Spain,South America.And we all know S A and Spain is Catholic.

Read about Catholic and Muslim gangsters in all their glory in a report by Carl Savich,at www.serbianna.com

Some atheists are bad people. But not all of them are.
Some Christians and Muslims are bad people. But not all of them are.

We should be comparing Christians and Muslims with humanists (not atheists).

Humanists have no religion. They are atheists. But not all of them are atheists.

Humanists are good people. All of them are good people.

So who has killed least in history? Humanists, Christians, or Muslims?

who have killed the most people.The very rich and the powerfull.And the ones with the most toys in the end wins.

dead or alive is the one trying to claim Hitler ,and others as Christians specifically to try ,and make all Christians look bad. I was simply trying to correct his misinformation. I'm sure that there are also many people claiming to be humanists who aren't great people either. Humanism is simply the putting of humans into the place of God. This often leads to some very bad philosophy ,and eventually people taking action on this philosophy. One such teaching of humanism is that there is no real right or wrong. That there is no such thing as evil. This is a denial of reality.When you apply this teaching it's logical conclusion is that Hitler was just as good as everyone else ,because this was indeed his version of what was right. This teaching from Secular Humanism (recognized by the US as a religion) results in people moving further away from any real set of morals ,and further into depravity.Everyone on earth is capable of both very evil acts ,and those that most people consider good. What a person holds as their worldview can greatly impact this. Since humanism denies the very existence of evil ,then it certainly allows for it's followers to commit any act as long as the individual considers it to be "good". Look at what George Bernard Shaw thought was "good". This is a monstrous man with very evil ideas ,but he was only being consistent with his worldview.A Christian who treats any fellow human being in a bad way is not being consistent with the Christian worldview. In a world that is becoming morally bankrupt ,people need to take a stand for what is right ,and what is wrong.

The comparisons were inevitable, but one should not confuse the evils of these three men with their legacies. If 1.5 billion people worshipped a text that recounted how Hitler killed millions, with the command to continue to do so, then one could begin to do so. Yet, our U.S. leaders constantly refer to the religion of peace that was merely hijacked by a few extremists.

Dear "dead or alive"
Stalin was from an Orthodox environment, not Catholic. He did NOT become a priest but studied in a seminary and broke the studies off early.

G.B.Shaw ,according to you, advocated gas chambersa. Gas chambers for whom? You are trying to make Shaw into a Hitler/Stalin,et al. Shaw was , as far as I know , a fabian socialist or anti-monarchist , not a fanatic crying for blood of others like the religious zealots or the "holy books". Take Old Testament for instance , it is bigoted, most intolerant and violent. You just have to read the book of Duetronomy to know the extreme intolerance and you can see the cruel punishments in islam has originated from the five books of Moses , or the Pentatuech ,or the Torah. Public lashing, stoning to death, chopping off limbs are all there in those books in the Bible ,which Muhamad copied and implemented , and which muslims follow to this day as the 'word of "god"'. It is unfair to castigate a literary personality like G.B.Shaw on the basis of rumours .
What have you to say about other personalities I have cited ? Real atheists do not carry the baggage of any particular idealogy. They like to be reasonable, logical and want to get at the truth without the baggage of 'god and religion' which is created by charlatans,scoundrels to take the gullible for a ride , cheat and divest their money/wealth to enrich themselves. Jesus may have been one of the few exceptions like Budha or Mahaveer Jain, but the cult of christianity that came after a few centuried of his death are guilty of much bloodshed, turmoil ,bigotry and frauds and making a comfortable living out of it without contributing anythingeconomically and civilisationally.

I think,one person who gets his foot in the door of a society of Jesuits does not stay alive long.One does not last long after quitting the group.Stalin must have been a rarity as a Orthodox to even see the front door of the Jesuits.

Where do you even get that idea? What evidence is there to support your claims? Yes Stalin was in Seminary ,but he became an atheist after being influenced by things like evolution. Nazisim ,Eugenics ,and the abortion movement all stem from atheistic philosophy. The founder of Planned Parenthood ,Margaret Sanger, was a huge racist ,and she started the whole project so that she could rid the world of "undesirables". When she said this she meant black people. She was even honored by the KKK. These are just some of the rotten fruits of evolution ,and it's related philosophies. Secular Humanism is founded on evolution ,and with this foundation you inevitable get some very bad things. Abortion was never about women's rights ,and early feminists thought that abortion was child murder. This whole movement is about a sneaky genocide of those Margaret Sanger found "undesirable".

You are right on the Secular Humanists. They work under a postulate that all religions say the same thing and promote peace and universal brotherhood which is patently wrong. On the question of status of women in Islam, they would point out ad hominem the status of women in the Mahabharata. It does not matter to them that Mahabharata was written in 3100 BCE whereas status of women under Islam is today’s reality. We Hindu nationalists and rationalists are fed up with those charlatans. They will advance the theory that Islam has been hijacked by a handful of misguided elements but refuse to utter a word on how to combat such misguided elements by enforcing reformative action. If somebody advocates for imposition of secular Civil code for all citizens of India, those guys will be first to brand that person as communal. Actually, Secular Humanists are either the paid agents of the Islamists or chicken hearted persons who dread the ferocity of the Islamists. Those idiots are unable to understand that that by taking advantage of the freedom of speech and democratic values they are undermining the same.

If you bring forth the issue of legacy perhaps nobody will be above board. Ancient Roman Empire was built on the blood and sweat of the slaves. Those slaves were all POW’s. People in those days fought each other to the last man so as not to be captured by the opponents and sold as slaves. Therefore, destruction of cities and wholesale massacre of the inhabitants were the order of the day, ruins of the city of Carthage in North Africa being the most glaring example.

Abrahamic legacy legitimized such ethnic cleansing by imputing God’s commandment to such brutality. Moses slaughtered the people of Canaan and Galilee for their refusal to accept Yahweh as only God. Early Christian rulers of Rome e. g. Constantius II and Theodosius I rammed down Christianity into throat of unwilling subjects, brutally destroying all signs of Paganism. The Spanish and Portuguese conquistadors faithfully carried out that tradition in the Latin America. So, Satan’s Trinity Muhammad, Hitler and Stalin could follow the legacy unabashedly.

Since Wilson and all others belong to CFR.Is the third reich still alive today?right under the nose of the American people? The 1000 years may have started in the bloodiest centenary in history with weapons of mass destruction.When Hitter and Bush launched their wars,They both said,This is a difference kind of war.

Some people even say that the stoning to death of Jeremiah was by those who became the real wire pullers in Rome and the church in Rome.

Boko Haram, an Islamist organisation has claimed responsibility for the bombings in Nigeria.
Boko Haram wants sharia law implemented in whole of Nigeria and also is fiercely opposed to 'Western Education'.
In the northrn Nigeria where Boko Haram are strong, only about half the children attend school and only a few of them are girl, who are often married as young as 12 years old.
Hitler and Stalin are not responsible at all --- 'Prophet' Mohammad is responsible.

And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.

And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord. And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

vbv,Shaw said,We wear our skin of civilization awkwardly.

Below is a conversation as recorded in the ‘Sutta Pitaka’, a Buddhist holy text, between the Buddha and his disciple Purna just before the latter went on a mission of preaching ‘Dhamma’ (law) to tribal people of a land named Sronaparanta:

Buddha: The men of Sronaparanta among whom thou wishest to reside are violent, cruel, angry, furious and insolent. When these men, O Purna, shall address thee to thy face in wicked, coarse and insulting language, when they shall become enraged against thee, what wilt thou think of that?
Purna: If the men of Sronaparanta address me to my face in wicked, coarse and insulting language, if they enraged against me and rail at me, this is what I shall think of that: They are certainly good men, these Sronaparantakas; they are gentle, mild men, they who neither strike me with hand nor stone me.
Buddha: But if the men of Sronaparanta do strike thee with the hand or stone thee, what wilt thou think of that?
Purna: I shall think them good and gentle for not striking me with swords or sticks.
Buddha: But if they strike thee with swords and sticks, what wilt thou think of that?
Purna: I shall think them good and gentle for not depriving me entirely of life.
Buddha: But if they deprive thee of life, what wilt thou think of that?
Purna: I shall think that the men of Sronaparanta are good and gentle, they who deliver me with so little pain from this body full of ordure.

Emperor Asoke who ruled in the 3rd Century BCE, sent envoys in all direction for preaching Buddhist doctrine and Philosophy. Some of them settled near Alexandria and came to be known as Essenians. Jesus Christ might have been one of them. Moreover, there is no record of the life of Jesus Christ for sixteen years of his life, i. e. between 16 and 29. He might have been on sabbatical to a Buddhist Sangh in India.

I have a post under review. I hope it shows up soon.

I heard this;citizens internet records would be stored for 6 months,forcing ISPs to install equipment to do so and assuredly passing cost on to consumers effectively making us pay for our democratic government to spy on us.

The idea that Jesus was an Essene is just garbage. The Essene's were almost the opposite when it came to certain teachings ,than that of Jesus. These are just very bad conspiracy theories by people who want to attack the authority of the Bible. My other post hasn't shown up yet either so I will give you the basics. Conquistadors were political. Constantius II doesn't actually seem to have done the things you mention at all. Theodisius did have pagan symbols taken down(not really finding any violent attacks and forcing people to convert though). Moses wasn't the one who attacked the Canaanites it was Joshua. This was a one time attack on a very wicked people(they were killing their own kids as sacrifices to idols among other things). They were also given time to turn from their evil ways. Christians are not taught to spread the Gospel through the use of the sword. In fact we are taught the opposite. We are told that our fight is not against flesh and blood ,but against the evils of the spiritual world. Anyone doing otherwise is going against real Christian teaching. You should be focusing more on Christian teaching rather than some person's inability to live up to the ideals of their professed belief.

lw1, you are right in your comments about the Boko Haram affair.

Years ago, when the Miss World contest was being planned to be held in Nigeria, about 200 Christian Nigerians were slaughtered by Nigerian musims after a Nigerian Christian lady journalist had reported that Muhammad " would not mind marrying one of the Miss World beauties !"

One can say if Muhammad had his way, he'd marry, or recruit for his harem, the lot in one go !

A popular Persian saying goes like this, “BaKhuda Diwana Bashad Ba Muhammad Hoshiyar”. It means, ‘take liberties with Allah, but be careful with Muhammad’.

Muhmamad, the insaan-e-kamil or 'the perfect human being' in Islam has this amazingly incredible hold on muslims !!!

Where is Reed Wilson?

Perhaps the Nigerian Muslims are the most touchy about their religion. Few years back an innocuous newspaper cartoon drawn by a young Muslim Cartoonist in faraway Bangladesh caused riot killing 6-7 Christians. In that cartoon Muslim tendency to name their sons after Muhammad was ridiculed. The carton showed a boy carrying a cat in his lap was accosted by a bearded man who inquired pointing to the cat -'What's that'? The reply from the boy's mouth was -' Muhammad Biral (cat)'.

There is no conspiracy theory dear, this is only scholastic hypothesis. It may impinge your faith which may be forgiven please. As evident from my above post, the Christian ideal of turning the other cheek when slapped in one has been stolen from Buddhism. The Buddha also instructed his followers to make loud confession of their sins before congregation. So, Christianity is not a castle built in the mid air, but it is a religion made up by implanting Buddhism on the body of Judaism.

All mass conversions are ipso facto coercive. Your comment regarding King Theodosius 1 reminds me of the Saudi claim that there is no bar to the practice other religions in their country, but 100% of the Saudi people are Muslims. The Jesuit padres came on the heels of the conquistadors to scavenge on the victims and the living Jesus i. e. the Pope presided over such political affair by dividing the world between Spain and Portugal so that they could carry the cross to the remotest corner of the globe without treading each other’s feet. Leave alone India where worshipers of Krishna, Siva, Kali and Ganesh live peacefully side by side, followers of Confucius, Buddha and Lao Tse live together in China without interfering in each other’s life. Same is the case with the Shintos and Buddhists in Japan. So, we are really ‘holier than thou’.

If you are convinced that Jesus has saved you, I have no grudge. Swami Vivekananda said ‘Don’t destroy other people’s belief unless you can replace it with a better one’.

This "scholastic hypothesis" was introduced by extremely poor scholars who will do ANYTHING to undermine the authority of the Bible. Christianity did not borrow from Buddhism ,or the Essenes. A close look at the real teachings of Christianity ,and all other worldviews (except Judaism ,but it's even still very different from Judaism) shows that they have very little in common. The few things that they do have in common are pretty much universal to all faiths with the exception of Islam. Turning the other cheek ,and treating others well is nearly universal. My claim about Theodosius I was that I had not FOUND anything about violence being used to force conversions ,and even then that was not my point ,but that someone trying to force others to convert is doing the OPPOSITE of what Christianity teaches. The Conquistadors were POLITICAL ,if anyone during this time did go over to South America and Portugal ,then these people were missionaries. Missionaries aren't uncommon for other religions either. "Holier than thou" is something used to describe people who believe that they are better than everyone else. This isn't exactly something you should really want to be describing yourself as. Also the definition of the word holy is important. Holy means that something is set apart from everything else ,and meant for God. Simply living peacefully doesn't equate with holiness. If the Muslim sects of Shia and Sunni were capable of living together peacefully with each other would you still call them holy? Even if you did take out the verses in the Quran about killing all infidels ,and they lived peacefully with every other group out there would they be holy then? The verses about women being inferior would still be there. They would still be slaughtering animals in the halal way. They would still be practicing Sharia. Don't these things take away from the word holy? Also Buddhists and Hindus have been fighting in Sri Lanka. Eastern religions aren't immune to the corruption of sin ,no one is. That's why there will always be fighting between every group unless you address the cause of this corruption. The cause of this corruption is sin. EVERYONE has a sinful nature. That is the very heart of the reason why Jesus came. He brought the cure to the disease that mankind has been suffering from since Adam and Eve.

A large amount of people choosing to convert to any religion after only hearing about it makes it a conversion by force? How is someone speaking to you only about something in front of a large amount of people ,and the majority of them believing it a forced conversion. Now if that person has a gun ,and says "everyone here who does not convert will die" ,now that would be a forced conversion ,but that is not what Jesus' disciples did ,or what Christianity does now. In fact most of the "crimes" supposedly perpetrated by Christians (Crusades and Conquistadors) were POLITICAL ,and not a result of Christian teaching. I don't have a grudge against you either for your beliefs. I do however see a lot of misinformation being posted by you. I don't believe that you are doing this on purpose ,but I have to do my best to correct these and other misconceptions. Buddhists aren't always peaceful either in 2006 a Buddhist took hostages with an AK-47 in Thailand. If this was a Christian I'm sure that most people would blame him strictly for being a Christian. I don't know a lot about Buddhism ,but I'm sure that this event wasn't due to Buddhism's teachings. This is a major point I have been trying to get across to you. You need to look at the teachings rather than someone's failure to live up to those teachings.

Buddhist influence in christian origions. Recycled buddhist stuff in chirstianity as follows

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/buddha.html

More stuff

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_Christianity

Feel free to refute after reading the bibliographies.

Mao killed more than hitler,stalin or muhammed. What about Genghis Khan? Attila the Hun? The Roman empire?To them of course you could add the Turks killing Armenians,The British empire ( they brutalized Irish,Chinese,Indians,Africans and so on ) What about Napoleon Bonaparte?The Germanic tribes forced the celts off mainland Europe to what is now britian and Ireland.How about the bloodthirsty "native" americans with their slavery,torture and human sacrifice and cannibalism?I think Mao killed more than any of them,what was that estimate 60 million?Oh almost forgot imperial Japan,the people who cry about Hiroshima and Nagasaki,how many Chinese did they kill and how did they treat prisoners?Alexander the Great?Darius? It goes on and on.Abraham Lincoln killed more Americans than any foreign enemy has in our history.There are a lot of little destroyers of mankind out there and they can all rationalize their mass murder.Muhammed did not kill many but his' false religion has.

I do not know about existence of "god" or a "god" like entity. There is no proof possible at this time in human thinking. What i know for sure is this:

1) No religion on the planet is true.

I have simple experiment any religious person is welcome to participate:

One year from now do the following:

1) Chop of your head. If your God exists are per your religion let your god prove it existence by re attaching your head and saving you.

In the interveneing 12 months pray as much as you like maybe get the whole world to pray for you and we will see if your prayers are answered.

Jim M.Blood stained pages of history books.Easy to see why UFOs are not allowed to make contact with mankind.Man is to dangerous.They make killing a sport.

The proof for the existence of God is simple ,and it goes like this. Everything that had a beginning had a cause ,the universe had a beginning ,therefore the universe needed a cause(The universe is NOT eternal nor is matter or energy. The Second Law of Thermodynamics shows that we are approaching something called "heat death" if the universe were eternal we would have reached heat death long ago). This Cause was God. God however is outside of this little test ,because God is eternal. He had no beginning therefore needed no cause.The proof for the existence of God is all around us ,all of the time. You don't even need to leave your house. You need only to look in a mirror(or anywhere else at all really). You say that none of the world's religions are true. Have you investigated all of them seriously? If you haven't seriously looked at each one ,and weighed the evidence then you can't possibly know if they are all false. I technically don't count Christianity as a religion ,because it's not about rituals ,or doing good works. It's about having a relationship with God the Creator of our universe. God came down in human form as Jesus so that He could show Himself to us in a way that we could truly understand. He also did this so that He could pay the penalty for a crime we rightly deserve to pay ourselves. He died on a cross (an EXTREMELY excruciatingly (which this word comes from the word crucify) painful way to die) ,and rose from the dead on the third day(to which there were over 500 eyewitnesses to this event). Now we have the eyewitness testimonies of the people who were there. These testimonies are called the Gospels. The Gospels have been shown to be 100% historically accurate. Luke (who wrote one of the 2 Gospels that weren't eyewitness accounts) is considered to be one of the greatest historians ever. Then you also have in the Bible prophecy ,and not just any kind of prophecy ,but highly specific and verifiable prophecy. These prophecies have been shown to be 100% accurate so far as well(only a few that are about the end of the world have gone unfulfilled). In fact a relatively recent prophecy that has been fulfilled is the reinstatement of the nation of Israel. I don't need to do your insane experiment (no one would ,and even the Bible teaches that you are NOT supposed to do things like that) ,because there is sufficient evidence out there already. Miracles do happen ,I have experienced some myself ( I was once completely ,but temporarily healed from the disease I have known as Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy. If I had not been healed when I was ,and in direct response to prayer as well, I am sure that I would be dead due to the constant mistreatment of this disease by doctors) ,and I know others who have experienced them as well.

UFO's don't exist in the sense that intelligent aliens from another world built a spacecraft. The only truly intelligent life is on Earth. I don't deny the possibility of some form of life possibly existing somewhere else ,but "intelligent" life (like how most people consider humans) isn't out there. SETI is an evolution worldview religion. They aren't going to find anything out there ,because what they are looking for isn't out there.

I never saw a UFO.That comment was poking fun at mans short comings. Any way, you have a good new year and all the other posters on I W too.

Considering some of the stuff you said earlier I wasn't too sure if you were being sarcastic or not. You have a good new year too. If you go by the strict definition of unidentified flying object ,then I have no problem. Who knows what kind of stuff is in development by the military or other organizations.

onceThe proof for the existence of God is simple ,and it goes like this. Everything that had a beginning had a cause ,the universe had a beginning ,therefore the universe needed a cause(The universe is NOT eternal nor is matter or energy. The Second Law of Thermodynamics shows that we are approaching something called "heat death" if the universe were eternal we would have reached heat death long ago). This Cause was God. God however is outside of this little test ,because God is eternal. He had no beginning therefore needed no cause.The proof for the existence of God is all around us ,all of the time. You don't even need to leave your house. You need only to look in a mirror(or anywhere else at all really). You say that none of the world's religions are true. Have you investigated all of them seriously? If you haven't seriously looked at each one ,and weighed the evidence then you can't possibly know if they are all false. I technically don't count Christianity as a religion ,because it's not about rituals ,or doing good works. It's about having a relationship with God the Creator of our universe. God came down in human form as Jesus so that He could show Himself to us in a way that we could truly understand. He also did this so that He could pay the penalty for a crime we rightly deserve to pay ourselves. He died on a cross (an EXTREMELY excruciatingly (which this word comes from the word crucify) painful way to die) ,and rose from the dead on the third day(to which there were over 500 eyewitnesses to this event). Now we have the eyewitness testimonies of the people who were there. These testimonies are called the Gospels. The Gospels have been shown to be 100% historically accurate. Luke (who wrote one of the 2 Gospels that weren't eyewitness accounts) is considered to be one of the greatest historians ever. Then you also have in the Bible prophecy ,and not just any kind of prophecy ,but highly specific and verifiable prophecy. These prophecies have been shown to be 100% accurate so far as well(only a few that are about the end of the world have gone unfulfilled). In fact a relatively recent prophecy that has been fulfilled is the reinstatement of the nation of Israel. I don't need to do your insane experiment (no one would ,and even the Bible teaches that you are NOT supposed to do things like that) ,because there is sufficient evidence out there already. Miracles do happen ,I have experienced some myself ( I was once completely ,but temporarily healed from the disease I have known as Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy. If I had not been healed when I was ,and in direct response to prayer as well, I am sure that I would be dead due to the constant mistreatment of this disease by doctors) ,and I know others who have experienced them as well.
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this was straight from a disney film
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Your explanation of exciting of a God might and might NOT be true …we do not have prove of IT yet …truth is still out their and humanity will find it …it is only a matter of time …in scale of how old the universe is, humanity is, in its infancy …
It might be **A God** out their, But this **A GOD** IS ABSOLUTELY IS NOT ALLAH the Islamic God …and it is so clear to all who reads Quran but the blind and the ugly minded Muslims .
Allah is nothing but the result of invention of a sick mind of Muhammad with the encouragement of his money hungry and shameless Kadiijah his first wife …the proofs of the lie of Islam Is what is in the Quran …all you have to do is read and understand and you will see and understand that Quran is nothing but a manual of how to rob,kill,use who ever weak and not muslim male …

Never the less, Quran was written very carefully and not to forget to include and repeat again and boringly again, about 25 good parts that gives Islam the look,feel and understanding of humanistic and good religion …that is dishonest and it is shame on any man or women to read Quran and still say with a straight face that Quran all about what is good and wholesome ….

No way, no how, Islam is from any God …A good God will never created a disgusting teachings that Quran contains .

A true God will never involve IT self in the Ins and Outs of carnal desires of a man that it called a prophet and caters to every wimp of that digesting man …and examples from Quran are many.

A true God that Humanity might or should pray to, does not promise the Muslim man mannnnnnny virginal horiyat that caters to sex hungry ignorant men …and there are many samples from Quran and we all know them …no need of endless repetition of them here.

Quran is laughable ….and a true God IS laughing too just like everyone….except the blind and the ugly hearts of Muslims.

one word for you old lady!
MENTAL

What a typical answer from spoiled immature Little boy …..

There is a true God out there ,but He is not laughing about the Quran ,He is crying. Crying about so many of the people He loves ,and the people who He died for are being deceived. God is love ,and when someone He loves is led away from Him by this deception it breaks His heart. It would be like watching your own children become addicted to drugs ,and with them being told over and over that they are doing the right thing.Not just the right thing ,but the very thing you would want them to do. They become trapped ,and without help the drugs will kill them. One of the biggest deceptions is that Allah ,and the God of the Bible are the same. You need only to read both the Quran and the Bible to see that they are not from the same source. Of course this would be where the Muslim claim of Biblical corruption would come in ,but you know what not even Mohammed claimed that the Bible itself was corrupt ,only the people who were reading it. The claim of Biblical corruption has no foundation either. We have extremely old copies of both the OT and NT ,and neither one shows any hint of corruption (there are minor spelling errors and some minor translation errors from time to time ,but no real corruption). Mohammed's teachings are ruining the lives of millions of people around the world ,especially women.
aaki makes these remarks ,because he has no argument. People who have no argument resort to personal attacks. If we were talking in person people who have no argument often resort to physical violence as well. This was the tactic of Mohammed ,and is the tactic of many (not all I personally know some Muslims who are very nice people) Muslims as well. Mohammed couldn't convince them by his preaching alone ,so when they asked for miracles ,he insulted both them ,and the early Israelites(saying that because some people didn't believe Moses no one here would believe him even if he did perform miracles. This is a poor excuse especially for someone who is supposed to be a prophet.). When people ridiculed him or wrote poems about him that he didn't like he had them assassinated (even a woman who was in the room with her children ,and she was even told that her children were going to hell before she was killed).

I have lived through Islam ….and survived Islam ….so oh yah...tell me about it why don't you !!!!!????

Isaiah;44.14-19 Isaiah;57,5 Jerimiah;10,3-4

Sons of God,Genesis;6.

Keep repeating yourself louder and faster, maybe one day you will convince yourself. These paragraphs of dribble you write, they are not convincing me!

Cererum123
Dont flatter yourself christian if i dont sit here and write uneducated hate about Jesus(PBUH) son of Mary. Even though you have no respect for the prophet of Islam, fortunately for you i have much respect for Jesus son of Mary.
Yet here you are on a islamophobic site part taking in the hate whilst blabbering on about the gospels. The word IRONY comes to mind.
Jesus son of mary would be so proud!...................................NOT

Isaiah;44.14-19 Here the prophet is describing the making of an image out of wood, where the remaining wood chips are used to cook with and warm the graven image maker. People are not worshipping, or praying to, or asking Christmas trees to Deliver them nor are they saying: for thou art my god 44.17 And no one is falling down to worship the stock of a Christmas tree!

Isaiah;57.5 The idols under every green tree referred to in this passage has to do with the sacred groves where the heathen offered sacrifices (the Israelites of Isaiah's day were adopting these practices) and where they also were slaying their children to al-Uzza and Malik/Moloch (The Keeper of Hell). Nothing to do with Christmas trees and decorations!

Jerimiah (sic);10,3-4 This passage also has to do with the making of an image, an idol (Ba'al), out of wood which is then covered with silver and gold leaf. These idols were carried around by the priests of the Ba'als and the heathen followers would bow down to the ground, butts in the air, as the image was carried past them on special (un)holy days. The prophet Jeremiah compares these man-made idols who can not speak or walk and tells the people not to fear them because they can do neither evil nor good, just as the idol/stone of the Ka'aba is not to be feared. It is just a stone mounted in silver upon a stone wall. It can neither speak nor walk nor can it do either evil or good no matter how many times the heathen bow down and pray to it.

Side note: Neither Isaiah nor Jeremiah are listed in Muhammad's book as being prophets of Islam (that is, Muslims). Also not listed are Nehemiah, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zecariah, Malachi, and many more. Obviously Muhammad did not know about these prophets, so neither did the stone!

Still waiting to learn about those severed heads hanging on trees:

Roots of the catholic church?
written by dead or alive , December 21, 2011

Baal worship.Christmas tree with hanging bulbs is Baal tree with heads hanging.

Need to fill us in on where you got this information!

The Assyrians were big on chopping off heads of their enemies because they believed this caused the spirit/soul of the individual to wander forever. They even dug up graves of enemy kings in order to chop off their already dead heads. And maybe they hung them in trees to scare the people they conquered. But the Canaanites who were Ba'al worshippers were not Assyrians. Are there any archelogical records of Canaanites hanging severed heads on trees? And how does this fit with putting ornaments on a Christmas tree, a practice started by Martin Luther?

Sorry I meant to put part of that post as separate from what was meant for you. The earlier part was meant for you while the rest was meant for people in general. I have another post being reviewed that has basically the same apology.

All of my posts are being grabbed.

Fineliving56 only the first part of the post was meant for you ,the rest was meant for people in general. I am sorry that I forgot to separate the necessary parts.

Was i wrong on the subject of castration and deportation of slaves to the mid east?Remember,you said i could not give a reference? And its true.So, was i right or wrong?

I never said anything about hate. I said that you didn't have an argument. I also did so without resorting to personal attacks. I don't hate anybody. You claim respect for Jesus ,but you reject His own words as lies. In Islam Jesus is made into a failed prophet ,and an incompetent Messiah. You call this respect? It is claimed that Jesus' followers were Muslims ,and that His followers were made to be the uppermost. If this is true ,then why isn't there ANY record of the Muslim-Christians? If what Allah says in the Quran is true then Allah himself started the world's largest false religion by tricking his own followers into believing that Jesus was indeed the Son of God through the crucifixion and Resurrection. So Allan not only deceived these Muslim-Christians ,but he also made them succeed in spreading this deception across the world. It also means that Jesus' ministry was a complete failure in the Quranic account is true since not one of these Muslim-Christians was left ,or even a record of them surviving. Also the Messiah ,which the Quran claims Jesus is, is supposed to be the savior of the Jews. Yet the Quranic Jesus or Isa ,never saved anybody and lost all of his followers. The Quran accepts nearly everything about Jesus from the Bible EXCEPT for the essential fact that He is God ,and is the only way to be saved is to accept Him as your Savior. How is this respect for Jesus? Also being the Messiah is far more that the Quran realizes ,and is in fact from very old prophecies already KNOWN that He would be the Son of God. Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born ,to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,Everlasting Father,Prince of Peace.
This is one of the many Messianic prophecies in the OT. All of these prophecies apply to Jesus. This particular prophecy shows that it was well known that the Messiah would be God. You acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah ,but you don't give Him the respect due to Him ,but to Allah.

I have no hate towards you or any other Muslim. In fact I have a few Muslim friends. However, I do see the evil that Islam teaches (polygamy ,wife beating ,child marriage, hate of all non-Muslims etc.) Mohammed was a despicable man who taught a despicable doctrine. He also rejects Jesus for who He really is ,and teaches others to do the same. Islam is leading billions of people away from their only hope of salvation ,and killing anyone who dares speak up against the evils perpetrated by Mohammed or his followers. There is something that applies here "Hate the sin ,not the sinner." Islam teaches that certain sinful things are not only acceptable ,but encouraged by Allah. Also Mohammed himself fit the OT description of a false prophet. He spoke things that were not from God (the "Satanic Verses" for which there is a great deal of evidence) he also had several prophecies that did not come true. One of these false prophecies is that of the Roman Empire winning a battle in a "few years". Mohammed stated that the number of years would be between 3 and 9 ,but the battle wasn't one until 12 years later. He also prophesied about being allowed into Mecca ,but they were not allowed into Mecca that year ,but the next after signing a treaty. One of the terms of this treaty was that certain Muslims be handed over to the people of Mecca. He once said that the Dajjal would come within a period of seven months, this never happened. He also once claimed that the world would end 500 years after his own death (or birth ,or somehow both). In fact he had many false prophecies concerning the end of the world. Why should I show respect for Mohammed when he has done all of these things among many other horrible things? All of these things are from Muslims sources as well. Why would the Muslims write this down if it weren't true?

The behaviour of many Muslims -eg Boko Haram in Nigeria is precisely written by Cerebrum123 -
'People who have no argument resort to personal attacks. If we were talking in person, people who have no argument often resort to physical violence as well. This was the tactic of Mohammed and is the tactic of many (not all ....) Muslims as well.'
From this springs 'Honour' crimes as well.

Yes, I suspected that …

thanks

If you believe in the God of Newton then you would believe in Jesus. Newton wrote more about God and the Bible than he did about science. In fact modern science has it's roots in Biblical Christianity. Most of the branches of modern science were founded by Christian scientists. People like Blaise Pascal, Galileo , Johannes Kepler , Francis Bacon , Louis Pasteur etc. This would not have been possible without Biblical Christianity , and the presuppositions that are inherent in this worldview.If there was no Christianity , then we never would have made it past alchemy and astrology.

There are some uncanny similarities between the lives of Christ and Krishna too. Like Christ, Krishna is considered as both man and God, God Himself, to be precise, not an avatar (Krishnastu Bhagwan Swayam). In colloquial language he is very often called kisto or kristo. Note the phonetic similarity. Before the birth of Krishna there was an oracle that he would kill the oppressive ruler Kansa, his maternal uncle. He was born in prison wherefrom he was smuggled out. An enraged Kansa ordered for killing of all infants in his kingdom. But the baby Krishna saved himself by performing miracles after miracles. Here too the similarities are unmistakable. There was a prophecy that the new king of the Jews had taken his birth and as a result the ruler Herod ordered for killing of all infants in the kingdom. But, he was smuggled out of the kingdom and saved. Life history of Jesus Christ might have been fashioned on the line of existing tale of Krishna (Bhagavata Purana).

It is not my intention to tease you. I just want you to broaden your outlook and take interest in alternative version of piety.

about your question for Yibel
written by dead or alive , January 03, 2012

Was i wrong on the subject of castration and deportation of slaves to the mid east?Remember,you said i could not give a reference? And its true.So, was i right or wrong?

I looked for the above about the castration and deportation of slaves to the mid east and could not find the original post. Who did the castrating? When? Where? Why? To whom? What was the reason/purpose?

I can not respond without more information.

Your memory is short. M A Khan confirmed what i posted about slaves being castrated and sent to mid east.You Yibel,called me out, and i called you back,but no response.

I would like to give you some food for thought. Our Goddess Kali is naked. Her nudity is covered by an array of severed human hands. On her neck she wears a garland of severed human heads which covers her breast. For the last seven hundred years she is being worshiped in this form.

While Mo copied the theology of ISLAM from christianity,judaism and preislamic arabic folk lore ,
communists (MARXISTS) imitated,followed ISLAMIC dogma ,fascism,totalitarianism ,intolerance and forcible subjugation . There is lot of commonality between ISLAM and Communism ,violence,force,killing non adherents to their dogma , communal activity (ISLAM is highly communal and so is communist followers - the word communist is derived from commune and communal activity ) . Communists studied the success of ISLAM and it;s imposition by force . while the tenets of ISLAM are borrowed by communists for their expansion all over the world - but at the basic level tenet - communism and ISLAM are dead set against each other. while ISLAM says there is no God but GOD ( i dont know what it means !!!) ( presumably ISLAMIC GOD ALLA ) aand MO was his messenger , - communists say that there is no GOD . (ATHEISM). ISLAM is cruel,wicked,bigoted,intolerant, slavery, force,terror ,killing
All these attributes can be ascribed to communism too.
I will group ISLAM, NAZISM, communism, christianity as fascist and totalitarian. But ISLAM is the topper , which gave birth to fascism,totalitarianism and bigotry ,cruelty,misogyny,intolerance ,hatred ,slavery,enslavement by fear and terror.

From what I am seeing Krishna was one of the avatars of Vishnu (not god and man as you say). Also the only event involving the deaths of infants involved six children all from one woman ,not all of the infants in the kingdom (again this is just a similarity between ruthless kings not a real similarity between Jesus and Krishna.). Phonetic similarity and similarity of meaning are far different. Not only that Christ is a translation of the original Hebrew word Messiah. Miracles are common to nearly all deities or religious figures. You are only looking at the very superficial (and mostly similarities that could be considered universal of all religions) similarities ,and you aren't providing real similarities with any real depth or meaning to them. Krishna was vastly different from Jesus when it came to the important matters. Jesus was sinless ,Krishna often stole from people as a child (he also stole some clothes from women who were bathing making them walk in front of him naked before giving them back their clothes). Jesus came to save everyone from their sins ,and give His own life to pay the penalty we rightfully deserve to pay. Krishna died as an accident when a hunter shot him in the foot with an arrow. Very few similarities ,and when you look at it staggering differences. Buddha also has a huge difference , Buddha said "there is no savior". Jesus said "I have come to seek and save the lost" ,and " I came not to judge the world ,but to save it". The purpose ,lives ,and character traits are staggeringly different. Also Jesus has hundreds of OT prophecies written from hundreds to nearly over a thousand years before He was born. These are not vague Nostradamus prophecies ,but real verifiable ,and specific prophecies. When you look at the important matters you find that Jesus has no equal ,and borrowed from no one. Jesus came to give His life up as a ransom for many. Has any other religious figure in history done this either mythological or historical? Have any of these figures died FOR their followers (and any potential followers as well since Jesus died to save the WORLD)? Buddha didn't he died from food poisoning. Krishna didn't he died in an accident by a hunter. Did any of them ever live a perfect life? Krishna didn't ,as he was a thief and a liar as a child(he lied to his mom about stealing cheese from the villagers ,he was even called the "butter thief"). Also there was no real influence from either Hinduism or Buddhism in the area in which Jesus lived at that time (there was basically a cultural barrier between the Roman Empire and India for a very long time).

Kali reminds me of a drop dead gorgeous gal from Burma.With personality i met years ago.Hope those hanging heads means a good thing.

I did not call you out as you put it. I merely asked for more information to clarify what it is you are talking about as I am not familiar with the topic of this castration issue.

If you were referring to Muslims castrating male slaves, well yes they did that on a regular basis. They did not want these slaves to breed with their women while they were away getting more slaves and booty. No argument from me on this issue.

Turk Muslims also castrated Christian boys in Europe and turned them into warriors for Islam and then sent them to attack and kill their own families.

I am still waiting for your response listing the source of your information about those severed heads hanging on those so-called Ba'al trees. I was also asking for a reference concerning the link between those supposed Ba'al trees and Christmas trees.

Hi!.Learn Islam in orther islam country like Indonesia, Malaysia,Brunai Darussalamand go there.
Holy quran surah 19 maryam
16. And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East,
17. And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a
perfect man.
18. She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art God fearing.
19. He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.
20. She said: How can I have a son when no mortal hath touched me, neither have I been unchaste!
21. He said: So (it will be). Thy Lord saith: It is easy for Me. And (it will be) that We may make of him a revelation
for mankind and a mercy from Us, and it is a thing ordained.
22. And she, conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a place.
23. And the pangs of childbirth drove her unto the trunk of the palm tree. She said: Oh, would that I had died ere this
and had become a thing of naught, forgotten!
24. Then (one) cried unto her from below her, saying: Grieve not! Thy Lord hath placed a rivulet beneath thee,
25. And shake the trunk of the palm tree toward thee, thou wilt cause ripe dates to fall upon thee.
26. So eat and drink and be consoled. And if thou meetest any mortal, say: Lo! I have vowed a fast unto the Beneficent,
and may not speak this day to any mortal.
27. Then she brought him to her own folk, carrying him. They said: O Mary! Thou hast come with an amazing thing.
28. Oh sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot.
29. Then she pointed to him. They said How can we tale to one who is in the cradle, a young boy?
30. He spake: Lo! I am the slave of Allah. He hath given me the Scripture and hath appointed me a Prophet,
31. And hath made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and hath enjoined upon me prayer and alms giving so long as I
remain alive,
32. And (hath made me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
33. Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!
34. Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth concerning which they doubt.
35. It befitteth not (the Majesty of) Allah that He should take unto Himself a son. Glory be to Him! When He decreeth
a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.

Surah 112. Al-Ikhlas
1. Say: He is Allah, the One!
2. Allah, the eternally Besought of all!
3. He begetteth not nor was begotten.
4. And there is none comparable unto Him.

Give me a day or two to get back to you.I will look in my big box of notes and find what I got on Baal trees.Thank you for response.

How is Christianity a totalitarian worldview? Jesus taught people to love even their enemies ,and to pray for those who persecute you. He taught love ,compassion ,peace ,patience etc. He taught against violence. The NT teaches that everyone is equal in the eyes of God. How are any of these teachings anything like what you described above? Look at the real teachings of Christianity rather than someone's inability to live up to them.

When not at war.The Catholics and Muslims practice lying.

why they back to islam open this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gdjexobucg

Are you accusing me of lying? And what Catholic wars? Also I am not Catholic. Maybe you should also look at the real teachings of the Bible rather than a fallible human's inability to truly live up to them.

can clever story telling of religions and their off spring ,politics,influence and control people?

Interesting that you should mention Quran surat 19 maryam because the name Allah is not mentioned in this surat even one time. Instead the god that Muhammad invoked was Al-Rahman, one of the high gods of Yemen. Muhammad spoke this surat when he was trying to enist Christians into his band of cutthroats. One of his Join Me or die speaches.

The name of al-Rahman, NOT ALLAH, appears in 12 Makkah Suras 47 times and in the very early Madinah Suras 3 times. Rferences to the name Al-Rahman in the Quran. In all of these instances, the name Al-Rahman means The Almighty, the Thunderer:
1:1, 1:3, 2:163, 13:30, 17:110, 19:18, 19:26, 19:44, 19:45, 19:58,
19:61, 19:69, 19:75, 19:78, 19:85, 19:87, 19:88, 19:91, 19:92,
19:93, 19:96, 20:5, 20:90, 20:108, 20:109, 21:26, 21:36,
21:42, 21:112, 25:26, 25:59, 25:60, 25:60, 25:63, 25:63, 26:5,
27:30, 36:11, 36:15, 36:23, 36:52, 41:2, 43:17, 43:19, 43:20,
43:33, 43:36, 43:45, 43:81, 50:33, 55:1, 59:22, 67:3, 67:19,
67:20, 67:29, 78:37, and 78:38.

In the Qur'an Allah says that if Muhammad were to lie about Allah, Allah would cut Muhammad's aorta. Curiously, canonical Islamic texts say that as Muhammad died, he felt as if his aorta were being cut.

Qur'an 69.44-46: And if he had fabricated against Us (Muhammad's 99 gods)
We would certainly have seized him by the right hand, Then We would certainly have cut off his aorta. (BTW, surat 19 was the 44th surat in chronological order. Surat 69 is the 78th surat.)

I always liked you well researched posts concerning Quran and Islam …you hit the right notes
but I just like to get your attenuation to a translation you have written of the Arabic word *AL RAHMAN …
you said that it means Almighty and Thunderer … and I am sure it means * The merciful * it comes from root word * Rahmah* …means …..* mercy *

Al Rahman is the first of the 99 names of Allah and Al Raheem is 13th

Rahman comes as Subject and Raheem comes as an adjective in the sentence that starts each Surah in Quran…..it is

**Bismi Al Allahi Al Rahman Al Raheem**

**In the name of Allah, the all Merciful , the ever Merciful **






Muslims has created from Quran it self.

Krishna is regarded as Lord Vishnu Himself, not one of His twelve Avatars. His life has been narrated in a fairy tale fashion, where reality co-mingled with absurdity. Baby Krishna used to steal butter from his own household as well as neighbouring ones. So, He is lovingly referred to as the 'Butter thief'. That means He behaved like an ordinary child. The message is that even a mischief making baby should be loved like God. Baby Krishna stole clothes of women and made them come naked to collect clothes. The message is that unless you give up all attacthments you can not attain God. You may not attain God unless you give up your pet fad of serving as unsolicited saviour.

There were many 'matyrs' in the history of mankind who made supreme sacrifices to 'save' or 'liberate' their people. Jesus Christ might have been one of them. His was a political mission. Krishna willingly got himself killed when he found that his own clansmen were indulging in corrupt practices. He preferred death to siding with wrongdoers.

Jesus was sinless ,and never stole. His mission was spiritual not political. He came SPECIFICALLY to save the WHOLE WORLD from their SINS.This was prophesied in ADVANCE about the life of Jesus. Not only that He predicted His own death and resurrection. We still have the documents written by the eyewitnesses of these events.
I don't find any reference to Krishna giving up his own life due to corruption of his clansmen. Everything I find has to do with a hunting accident ,and even something about a curse placed on him for playing a trick on some saint (lying is a sin and so is stealing by the way). I would like a source for your giving himself up because of his clansmen becoming corrupted. Also did he do this in order to rid his clansmen of their corruption? Jesus willingly gave Himself up to take away the sins of the ENTIRE WORLD. I believe even if Krishna did do this to get rid of corruption ,I certainly believe the world trumps clan. I highly doubt your interpretation of the clothes stealing event especially when you are claiming he was known as a mischief maker. The more likely scenario is that he wanted to see those women naked. Also he was a teenager not a baby (from every source I can find. I doubt a baby even could steal the clothes or come up with the plan in the first place) Krishna does NOT have the characteristics of a perfectly moral God.
Jesus WAS sinless ,He never stole ,He never lied, He certainly did NOT take the clothes of naked women (most likely in order to stare at them as would be expected of the already known for mischief Krishna). Jesus would amaze the teachers in the Temple with His knowledge. Krishna was the incarnation of a group of three gods. Jesus was part of the "Trinity" ,this means 1 God in 3 persons. The best example for how this works is this. Light source ,light ,and heat. There are VAST differences in both the life and teachings of Krishna and Jesus. Jesus for one proved His divinity ,and fulfilled hundreds of very specific prophecies that concern His being Messiah. Is there any truly verifiable evidence for the divinity of Krishna?
I agree that children should receive love ,but I don't see any reason for a child to be treated as God (unless this was indeed the truth).
There is no way to "attain" God. There is no way to meet His requirement of perfection no matter how hard you try ,or no matter what you give up. You can gain a relationship with Him through Jesus Christ.

Do you think the ruler of the synagogue in luke 13;14-17 still rule todays religion and politics?

I can understand your confusion over this. And you are quite right. The word
rahman is derived from the Hebrew adjective rhmn which means merciful. However, this word is not a noun, or a name.

Originally an Assyrian/Babylonian Thunder God, the NAME Rahman occurs in pre-Islamic Sabaean/Yemen inscriptions as the name of a thunder god worshipped by the Arabs of southern Arabia. This god was said to be merciful because the sound of thunder preceded the monsoon rains that filled the reservoirs in the mountains with water to irrigate the fields. Yemen was a very fertile place because of the reservoir system and this god was a very important supreme god.

The name Al-Raheem is a cognative of Rahman, so they are essentially the same god. Al-Raheem is mentioned in the Quran 114 times, almost twice as many times as the god Al-Rahman.

In almost every occurrence of the words Rahman, Al-Rahman or Al-Raheem the Muslim translators have deliberately perverted these NAMES into attributes (sifa) of Allah and translate them as being benevolent, compassionate, or merciful when there is NO sign of these attributes in the text itself. Thus ordinary Muslims are deceived and with them all of humanity. For example: In Al Isra 17.110 it reads:

Say: Call upon Allah OR call upon Al-Rahman: by whatever NAME ye call upon Him (it is well): for to Him belong the Most Beautiful NAMES (al asma^a al husna)...

In crystal clear Arabic, the Quran asserts that both Allah and Al-Rahman are
NAMES of gods (asma^a). Allah was the name of the supreme god of the Ka'aba in Makkah and Al-Rahman was the name of the god of the Yemeni.

Surat Ta Ha 20. aya 1-5: It was not to distress you that WE revealed the
Qur'an, but to admonish. It is a revelation from HIM who created the earth and the lofty skies, Al-Rahman who sits enthroned on high. (Al-Rahman NOT Allah)
Aya 4 clearly declares that the source of the Quran is Al-Rahman.
Aya 5 declares his AUTHORITY (NOT his mercy or beneficence) as Al-Rahman, glory to him in the highest, and culminates when Al-Rahman ascends on his throne.
Aya 6 declares his ownership of the heavens, the earth, and all that is between them, and what is within the earth, inclusive, and
Aya 7 declares his complete omniscience.

This is the perfect image of power and authority, the assumption of full control over everything. The concept of mercy is irrelevant here since it is not its time, nor its place. Al-Rahman is only merciful when he brings the rains.

In Surat Al-Rahman 55, the NAME ALLAH is NOT mentioned even once in this Sura of 78 verses. It begins with:
1 Al-Rahman Most Gracious
2 It is He Who has taught the Qur'an. (This verse clearly indicates that it was
Al-RAHMAN who has brought down the Quran and NOT Allah.)

All the verses which follow, describe Al-Rahman's deeds, attributes and alleged 'revelations' to Muhammad.

3 He has created man:
4 He has taught him speech
5 The sun and the moon follow (swim) in paths computed/set; (Note: path, not orbit)
6 The plants and trees bow down in adoration.
7 And the sky has He raised high and He has set up the balance...
10 It is He Who has spread out the earth (like a carpet) for His creatures:
14 He created man from sounding clay like unto pottery.
15 And He created Jinns from fire free of smoke: (Note: Only in Muhammad's Quran are Jinn/Demons created with humanity and are parallel creatures, though invisible to humans.)

This entire sequence again emphasizes the power and authority and devastating wrath of Al-Rahman! 58 times in the Qur'an's actual verses, Al-Rahman is said to be Almighty and Powerful, but NEVER merciful.

Verses Ta Ha 20 ayas 108 and 109 give a devastating description of the Day of Judgment and Al-Rahman's terrifying power and authority on that Day:

On that Day will they follow the Caller (straight): no crookedness (can they
show) him: all sounds shall humble themselves in the presence of Al-Rahman:
nothing shalt thou hear but the tramp of their feet (as they march).


On that Day shall no intercession avail except for those for whom permission has been granted by Al-Rahman: and whose word is acceptable to him.

Verse 110 vividly describes Al-Rahman's omniscience and verse 111 states that all faces will be submitted to the Living, the Eternal (Al-Hayy Al-Khayyum) and that those who carry the burden of even a single act of sin will be doomed. (Note: There is no reference to forgiveness or mercy or beneficence.)

In some of his earliest surahs (the Makkan verses) Muhammad was trying to get the Quraysh clan of the Ka'aba to accept Al-Rahman as an additional god of the Ka'aba, just as the Ba'al Hubal had been accepted several hundred years earlier. (Hubal is thought to be a newcomer to the Ka'aba, based upon the tradition that Amr ibn Luhayy, a 3rd century Arab, brought the statue of Hubal to the Ka'aba from Syria.)

Based entirely upon the very Arabic verses of Muhammad's Quran, it is very clear that Al-Rahman was the Almighty that Muhammad referred to when he was in Makkah before he fled to Yathrib, killed the Jews, changed his allegiance to Allah, and renamed the town Madinah (The Religion/Rule of Ah).

I know that there are people who are greedy and corrupt from every worldview ,but this is in contrast to the true teachings of Christianity. Corruption is everywhere ,and people are fallible. We all have a sinful nature ,and this is abundantly clear when you look at the things happening in the world. The question is , are these people living up to the teachings they profess to believe ,or are they failing to live up to these teachings? Most everyone is going to fail to live up to their own ideals ,and beliefs at some point or another. This isn't an excuse to just go ahead ,and forget the ideals ,or just give in to the idea that you are going to fail ,but to understand that when you do fail that you should do your best to make up for it ,and learn from your mistakes. Christians aren't perfect ,and many people who claim to be Christian aren't living by the teachings of Christianity ,but what should be inspected isn't the person who isn't living by the teachings ,but the teachings themselves. The teachings of Islam show obvious evils (wife beating ,child marriage etc.) ,but not all teachings are as obvious in their deception. The Bible teaches the truth. This can be shown in countless ways ,one of the major ones being the change that it makes in peoples lives. There are millions of examples of people coming to Christ and their life turning around from things like drug addiction ,and many other evils in this world. I never hear of how atheism has ever benefited someone in this way. I don't hear many testimonies from Islam in this manner either. I do hear some people claim that Buddhism and Hinduism give them peace ,but I never hear them speak of a radical change or of these views giving them hope. You seem to like taking single verses from the Bible ,and then trying to prove a point (or small sections of verses). Here is one verse that I wold like to use to make a point John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son ,that whoever believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.
I would like you to take a real good look at the real teachings of Christianity rather than looking for bits and pieces and trying to make them fit your preconceived ideas.

I appreciate your detailed post about that subject …I have read about the split personality of Allah in Muhammad's head where he started to called his God as Al rahman in his early supposed revelation from God to him.He change it to Allah later when some pagans already have one of their God called Al Rahman he did not want to look like that his God is a copy in name.
But Muhammad apparently is not as imaginative as Muslims make him out to be, because he still copied one of the Gods of Pagans [ Alla't ] of Mecca in Kaaba where his own father name the servant of God and that happened long before there was any thought of islam.

You said that Muslims like to tweak translations and they like to give the word Al Rahman [ Siffah] an adjective to Allah …
Of course I do not put it pass them …in fact I have caught so many softening the blow, so to speak, in attempt to make Quran seem less harsh …and I have written and gave clear examples in the past here in this web sit.
I was not talking about a translation of the Quran …I am noting from the Quran it self … the words of Quran that I know and read in my own old copy that I brought with me from back home …
It say clearly in so many places , Allah HAS [ Asma al Hossnah ] the many names Of Allah that Quran like to bestow on Allah …[ of course we all know it is Muhammad's words and his gang ]

Q, Surah 20 ….Al Ta'ha #8
Clearly says '' Allah la ilaha illaha illa howa laho al asma al hosnah ''
means '' Allah, no God but he , on to him belong the most beautiful names ''. …again in the surah in #14 '' Surly,I am Allah, there is no God but I …"' again in #114 '' Then high above all is Allah , the king and the truth…" .

As you can see Allah[ means, Muhammad all one and the same ] talked about him self and named him self Allah and Al Rahman …wish that proves to me that Muhammad either he cannot make up his mind on the best suitable name of Allah or he is trying not be repetitive .
As you know , The 99 names of Allah[ aside from the name Allah]are all derived from the Quran it self

'' The king , the rich, the high,the creator,the killer [wow] ,the believer [to believe in what? he is God after all lol ] , the humiliator [ nice God] , the revenger [ criminal personal trait ] ., the truth [ I do not think so.]

thanks

I dare not convince you but am convinced that no baton has been passed on to you from Chanakya-1. Your post reminds me of a nursery rhyme written by the great philosopher poet and Nobel laureate Rabindranath Tagore. It goes like this:

Punthi kata oei poka,
Manush se jane boka.
Boi keno je se chibiye khai na,
Ei lage tar dhonka.
[The worm thinks it is strange and foolish that man does not eat his books]

Have a good day.

On that Day shall no intercession avail except for those for whom permission has been granted by Al-Rahman: and whose word is acceptable to him.

This is a most peculiar verse actually. Al-Raham means merciful, but in this verse He grants permission for some and some not. I wouldn't call this merciful. And then it sais ....and whose word is acceptable to him. This is strange since He is supposed to be allknowing but clearly in this verse He is not. The whole concept of intercesion wether the intercessor is Muhammad or any other human/prophet, is very childish and wrong.