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Islam's Incompatibility with Western Civilization

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Lately, more reformist Arab intellectuals have been addressing the problems facing Muslims who have settled in Western Europe. On Wednesday, 15 December 2009, an article appeared on the Al-Awan website with this title, “Muslims in the West: Lost within Modernity”.

The Algerian author has written on other problems facing first and second generation Muslims of Western Europe. In this particular article he stressed the inner struggle that rages within the hearts and minds of these Muslims. He says they are “lost within the modernity that is a distinguishing feature of Western civilization.” Here are excerpts from his article, in which he claims that Islam and Western civilization are incompatible. My comments follow.

“Modernity is radically incompatible with Islam. According to the Islamic worldview, man’s life remains under the supervision of Allah; it is Allah who guarantees man’s freedom, and guides him in his life journey. But according to modernity’s view, man possesses an absolute value in the universe. He depends on his own reason, and by using his critical faculty, he determines his own responsibilities.

“Does Islamic fiqh (jurisprudence) encourage the use of reason, and the freedom of thought? Does the Islamic mind accept the basic foundations of modernity? For example, in Islam, the ruler is not held accountable to the people; his responsibility is to Allah alone. Muslims have no right to reject the Shariah. To date, not one Arab ruler has ever dared to rethink or amend the Shariah’s requirements. It is quite evident that Islam is not compatible with democracy; the very word “democratos” (people’s rule) contradicts the essence of Islam, where rule belongs exclusively to Allah.

“Thus Muslims would never be asked to cast a ballot that will change halal* to haram*, and haram to halal! FIS (Front Islamic to Salut,) ** the now banned Algerian Islamist organisation, used to portray such slogans as “An Islamic State, without Elections,” and “Democracy is Kufr.” These slogans should not be considered simply as the opinions of radicals, because they actually represent Islamic view of politics and governance.

“Recently, in Bordeaux, France, the Moroccan Consulate objected to the cremation of a Frenchman of Moroccan origin, even though he specifically stipulated before his death that he wished to be cremated. Due to the pressures of the Islamists and certain Islamic governments, and in order to avoid serious trouble, the French authorities buckled and gave in to the pressures. One should note that in Islam an individual’s wishes are subject to the will of the community. It is the Umma that possesses the final authority in matters of life and death. Manifesting the same Islamic outlook, the imam of the mosque in Lille, who heads the Islamic League in Northern France, declared recently: “The concept of citizenship does not exist in Islam; the group or the community is very important. To recognize a community implies the recognition of the laws that govern it.”

“Thus, as a Muslim finds himself wandering and lost in the lands of modernity, he tends to isolate himself from his social environment. Within his inner life a raging civil war goes on; in fact the clash of civilizations takes place between his faith and the modernity that governs his surroundings, invading his very home! Immigrant Muslims don’t care about what the laws of their countries say. Rather, they give heed to what the Shariah demands. In democratic lands where the rule of law reigns, Muslims prefer to seek guidance from Islamic fiqh. You would be overwhelmed and shocked to learn about the multitude of fatwas that are issued daily in the Islamic world. As a Muslim seeks to become a true believer, his behavior must conform to all the demands of the Shariah, whether dealing with a minor or a major subject. Should a Muslim deviate from the demands of his sacred law, or neglect its guidance, he would earn the wrath of Allah. Such topics seem to haunt the Muslim: Is prayer lawful while flying and how could one determine the Qiblah? *** May a woman use kohl on her eyes during Ramadan? May men become doctors of gynecology? Is it haram or halal to frequent swimming pools where men and women bathe?

“According to the London-based television channel “Hiwar,” Dar al-Fatwa in Egypt issues daily, more than 1,000 fatwas in four different languages over the telephone; not counting another 500 fatwas handed to believers who seek guidance by going to the Center. You can hardly believe the questions addressed to this television station coming from Paris, London, Rome, Lausanne, etc. As for the mufti’s answers, they are nauseating.

“Modernity offers a new approach for humanity. At its core, it celebrates the values of individual liberty, and independence. Thus, the contradiction between modernity and Islam is not an unimportant matter; it is a necessary result of its internal logic. Islam and modernity by definition are in conflict, because there is no way modernity can compete with Shariah in the mind and daily existence of a true, but highly conflicted, Muslim.

“For example, Britain was, for the Muslim immigrants from Britain’s former colonies, their “Land of Promise.” Now that they have settled in the country, and become British citizens, they are working hard at its Islamization. Recently, Shaheb Hassan, the official speaker for the Islamic Council of Britain, called on the British to exchange their age-long democratic political institutions for an Islamic regime! Addressing them, he said: “Simply apply the Shariah, and this country would become a peace garden: amputate a thief’s hand, and no one would steal; stone the adulterer and no one would commit adultery. British society would benefit greatly by adopting the Islamic Shariah.”

“Pressures on Western societies keep mounting to conform to Islamic laws. On 12 January, 2007, a German judge refused the request of a German lady of Moroccan descent, who wished to divorce her husband because he was beating her. The judge based her decision on the fact that the Qur’an allows husbands to beat their wives. Western Europe is called upon to learn about Islam, and to deal with Muslims in the light of their traditions. This was recently illustrated in Amsterdam where members of its police force were all handed copies of the Qur’an to study in order to become more conversant with the Islamic way of life! And in Rouen, France, the imam of its mosque was dismissed for officiating at a mixed-marriage, and for delivering his sermon in French. His action was denounced by the officials of the mosque as being heretical.

“Muslims living in the West who wish to practice Islam in the way it was traditionally practiced in their homelands necessarily find their problems increasing. Even in the simple area of choosing an occupation or finding settled work of any kind, a Muslim must be careful not to displease Allah. When looking for a restaurant, he must find one that offers halal food so as to follow Islamic dietary laws. The list goes on. In the final analysis, a practicing Muslim has a very hard time accepting and becoming a part of the Western world and its modernity. So whichever society of the West he and his family have settled in, the conflict continues and grows deeper!”

 

Analysis

The Algerian writer shows a deep interest in and seems to be very concerned about the plight of Muslims in the West. It is obvious he would like to see them become assimilated into the rule of law and basic freedoms that Western traditions hold paramount. He conveys to a Western reader that Muslims live conflicted lives in the cultures of freedom they inhabit. The teachings of their authority figures do not help them assimilate but rather keep them in a conflicted state between freedom and Shariah tyranny. The basic problem, he claims, is the incompatibility of traditional Islam with Western civilization. A literal translation of the Arabic headline of his article reads, “Muslims in the West: Lost within Modernity” المسلمون في الغرب تيه في الحداثة

 

Comments

This article describes the plight of North African immigrants who have settled in France and who find adjusting to life in their new homeland quite difficult. The Algerian author lays the blame on the strictures imposed upon them by the Islamic Shariah. Guidance they receive from their imams at the mosques, or from other authority figures who issue fatwas has a strong hold on them. The teaching of their religious leaders is meant to deal with and specifically answer the many problems they encounter in their adoptive non-Islamic milieus. What it appears to be doing, however, according to this author, is contributing to a sense of lostness, and an inability to enjoy the peace of mind which they are taught is the reward of obedience to Sharia.

The writer does not offer any solution for the perplexed Muslims of Western Europe. As he put it in an article on the same subject published in a French-language website:

“Un islam sans prosélytisme, sans charia, sans Etat islamique, ce n’est plus l’islam… Ouvrez le Coran, vous serez bien servis!”

(An Islam that does not practice proselyting, is without Shariah, and without an Islamic State, is no longer Islam. Just open the Qur’an, and see that for yourself.”)

Having offered a definition of “true” Islam, he deems his fellow-North Africans lost, and wandering without much hope in a country that gave them many opportunities for fulfillment, especially in the area of vocation. Yet this very environment, with both its challenges and blessings has unsettled rather than pacified and pleased them. They still hanker after the world of Daru’l Islam!

 

Notes:

* Halal:  In harmony with Shariah, and thus an allowable act or behavior,

* Haram: Contrary to the Shariah, and thus a forbidden act or behavior.

** FIS (Front Islamic to Salut,) the Islamic Salvation Front, a radical Algerian organization that won the local elections in the early 1990s. That prompted the Military Government to annul the elections, and prevent FIS from participating in the national elections. Civil war resulted, with more than 200,000 Algerians losing their lives.

*** Qiblah points to the direction of Mecca, so that when Muslims are engaged in private prayer, or in the Friday prayers at the Mosque, they must face the Holy City; a tradition that goes back to Muhammad’s days in Medina.

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written by thinker23 , January 09, 2010
i will always admire and love the western values and civilization
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idols and cows r better than imaginary jehova/allah
written by LASHKER EI TOIBA , January 09, 2010
idols and cows r better than imaginary jehova-allah.jehova/allah
is a figment of imagination of mentally unstable people called
" prophets " and still more insane and mentally disturbed
pEopel follow these mentally deranged people called prophets.

as against this idol maybe of wood,stone,mud etc is better,bcoz
it actually exists.whethere to worship imaginary jehova/allah
or idol is an issue here.

let us see : imaginary jehova/allah says bow to him exclusively or
he puts u in imaginary hellfire,and also he inspires humans
to hate each other,and kill.

as against this idols dont issue any such decree nor spread hate.
SO IDOLS R HARMLESS AND HURT NO ONE,HENCE IDOL
WORSHIP IS BETTER THAN JUDEO-CHRISTIANITY/PISSLAM.

so this means idols r superior to imaginary jehova/allah.

now abt cows : cows r generally docile creatures,and eat
agricultural waste products like grass,straw and stalks of
foodgrains,but give life nourishing milk,butter,cheezze,etc....

even the dung and urine of cow and bull is used for
feritlizing fields and burnng to make food etc.

some people eat the animal,and those who dont care for it
and use the waste product of cow and bull,for natural fertilizer.

after it dies the body is buried and this also fertilizes the fields.

cow or bull dont ask anyone to kill in their name,nor spread
hate like imaginary jehova/allah !!!!

so basically idols and cow bull even pig goat horse dog
donkey etc is more useful and superior to imaginary
jehova/allah.

religion is a disease more so judeo-christianity/islam is
worst than aids,is spreading fast and will destroy humanity.

truth is the only cure against religion and specifically
against judeo-christianity/islam.


I am not talking abt the supreme being=nature.

but expose a fact that even stuff like mud-dirt-etc and
barn yard animals r better than imaginary jehova/allah.

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very good article
written by LASHKER EI TOIBA , January 09, 2010

very good article.
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Very revealing article!
written by Anti Clot , January 09, 2010
There are so many things in modern life that are not compatible with islam and sharia. In fact, in many muslim countries any law must have a connection to the quran and sunna. Therefore, the governments have difficulties to raise taxes and very often they are relying heavily on oil income. Interest is also forbidden and this truly reveals how stupid islam is. You can rent a house, a car or even a factory - why not money??? Somebody needs it while another guy has it in abundance - so why not make a deal between them that pleases both sides? There are many contradictions like this in the quran and the sunna and the results are also staggering: There is absolutely no developed islamic country except some gulf countries relying only on oil. The vast majoritiy of the muslim world is poor (many times even with oil) and every second illiterate in the world is a muslim. In the very few rich gulf states the people are facing other problems: Obesity and diabetes are already more common than in the US and the rates are increasing. The people dont care because all they eat is halal and the quran has no sense about what is good for the believers health. Moreover, the very common pratice of inbreeding in islam results in genetic deseases amongst arabs about twice as high than in other parts of the world. However, nobody cares because inbreeding is halal and nobody listen to what the doctors say. If there were no oil, everybody would consider islam a failed religion or civilisation much like the old mayan civilisation which failed to prevail due to ecological reasons. The same fate is already visible in Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and many more and many to follow. What will happen when the civilised world can replace oil with renewable energy? Islam will be over!
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LASHKER EI TOIBA
written by wagamama , January 09, 2010
Whatever points you have raised make perfect sense. I hope Allah is removed from the memory of all Muslims.
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LASHKER EI TOIBA: The Almighty God is not imaginery but the allah of Islam is
written by Clement , January 09, 2010
You wrote "idols and cows r better than imaginary jehova-allah.jehova/allah"
The God of the Jews and Christian known by name Yahweh is not imaginary. You can close your eyes to 1001 proofs and evidences around us but you cannot deny the fact that He is real. Yahweh has proved his omnipotence, omnipresence, omniscience in recorded history and in the presence that He is not imaginary. The Establishment of the State of Israel in 1948 and its continued victories over 1.4bill Mohammadans is a living testimony of the faithfulness of Yahweh to his covenant with the nation of Israel or Is Israel imaginary also? The demonstration of the power of God through the preaching of the Gospel of Christ in healing the sick, delivering the oppressed, saving the sinners from their sinners are also not imaginary except if you deliberately refused to recognized God's supremacy over Allah and all in love, mercy, faithfulness and grace. It is only Allah that has no proofs that he is real. He has no power to prove his divinity, no miracle, no mercy, no love, no grace, no forgiveness, nothing to show except mendacity, violence, oppressing women and infidels, violence, war, terror, hatred of people of God Jews and Christian. If these are qualities of Satan and Allah is not imaginary then this Allah must be Satan. Therefore the action of the true God and Satan are evident and not imaginary. The actions of Allah resemble those of Satan, we have no problem if he said he is Satan, but he would be imaginary Allah if he claims to be Yahweh the God of the universe, because they have nothing in common. So my friend, the True God is not Imaginary, Satan too is not imaginary. It is only Allah that is imaginary because he Claim to be the true of Go d of the universe but his actions betrayed him as Satan. If you want to know this true God email me on This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it '> This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it
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islam's incompatibility
written by antimod , January 09, 2010
Well.well, with whom Islam is compatible ?
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No one will steal if you cut off the hand
written by Joe Six-Pack , January 09, 2010
This reminds me of what the leader in Iran said about gays. There are no gays in Iran. This is because they kill the ones that they find.

Good article. Thanks for the hard work.
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written by duh_swami , January 09, 2010
This issue is really not all that complicated...Allah did not instruct his submitters to yield to kufr...His basic attitude toward kufr is expressed in Quran 98:6 and others...Kufr is najis and is lower than dog urine...Allah ordered Mohammad, and his generations, to fight kufr...To force kufr to convert, submit to dhimmitude, or die...
Allah was quite clear on that in his book...He ordered Muslims to 'Fight them' until everyone in the world worshipped him...Quran 8:39...Dar al-Islam was not created to yield to dar al-harb, the land of kufr...Dar al-Islam is going to fight dar al-harb 'until' all worship Allah, and kufr is no more...Since 'until' is not achievable, it means perpetual warfare...Any Muslim who posts here who does not understand that, is either grossly uninformed about his own religion, or he is indulging in taqiyya...
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To Lashker El Toiba
written by Truth Detector , January 09, 2010
Lashker, don't you get tired typing the same old nonsense? I read your first sentence and that's all. I went to the next letter after that.

Jacob Thomas, good article. Thanks. The truth is that Muslims are not happy because they are usually made to behave themselves at least for a while. Just wait until Muslims take over and begin to employ their cruelty and violence. The Muslims will then be happy because they'll have their Shariah and all the cruelty and violence that Muslims desire. The Muslim Sunnis and Muslim Shiites are happy people because these Muslim contradictory sects are murdering each other every day.

You can be sure that this is the real Truth Detector because of the following comment:

WE MUST DESTROY THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY OF ISLAM BEFORE THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY OF ISLAM DESTROY US.

P.S. Nader, I know that you're out there somewhere. I've noticed that your style of writing is akin to the style of the fake Truth Detector. Were you the typical thieving Muslim who stole my handle for a while? It won't work anymore because of the way I will end my letters, unless you wish to demean yourself. Har, har, har. Wasn't that clever of me, Nader? Nader, evil Islam will never conquer completely simply because evil Islam will never become the conquerer. Yes, the good people will prevail, and evil Islam will disappear from the face of the earth. That's a promise.
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WARNING ????
written by karan , January 09, 2010
AN INDIAN STUDENT WAS STABBED TO DEATH ..IN MELBOURNE ..AND .....YESTERDAY AN INDIAN MAN WAS SET ALIGHT IN MELBOURNE ......INDIANS .........WE MUST LOOK CAREFULLY AT THESE INCIDENTS ...BECAUSE ....WHEN WE SPEAK AGAINST ANTI-ISLAM WE SPEAK AGAINST THIS RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY ...BUT...WHAT ABOUT THESE RACIST BIGOTS WHO ARE KILLING OUR INDIAN BROTHERS...AND THEY ARENT MUSLIMS....???? WE SHOULD ENSURE WE ARE NOT BEING USED AS TOOLS BY A BUNCH OF HATE-MONGERERS .....WHO ARE ALSO CONSUMING US...AND BTW ... TO HELL WITH THE WEST AND EAST ....IF WESTERNS ARE SO CONCERNED ...THEN THEY SHOULD LOOK WHY INDIANS ARE BEING MURDERED IN COLD BLOOD ....BEFORE ....THEY BLAH BLAH ...ABOUT ISLAM....
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written by Demsci , January 09, 2010
I am very grateful for this great article of Jacob Thomas.

When Muslims in Western countries would operate under democratic rules, they would found parties and promote the message of God, which should be so good it would appeal to a large portion of the population and governments that implement Allah's laws, should keep being popular. But apparently many Islamic leaders do not trust this scenario and instead rely more on violence and deceit, suppression of free speech.

Apparently too many Westerners, authorities, media, ordinary people, still seem to assume that Muslims may not be patriotic about the lands they live in, but like the vast majority of Westerners, are still at least loyal to the democratic system they live in.

But the Islamic leaders and many Muslims apparently want to replace this system with governance by "Allah". But that of course is very similar to what we Europeans had before democracy; the rule of the elite, king and nobles and such, in alliance with the church, over the dumb masses, who could not be trusted in governance according to the elite. This elite then suppressed and exploited the masses.

Will the Muslims do any better than that if successful in Western countries in overthrowing democracy and establishing theocracy? But they have never shown in ANY country where they had power that they could do any better than that! Certainly not in the last 200 years!
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written by berq , January 09, 2010
Is any one out there who can refute the comments of clement?A very good article by Jecob Thomas.
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written by vbv , January 09, 2010
Why just western civilization? Islam is incompatible with any civilization. It can revel only in its own stupidities and uncouth barbarities.
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to karan
written by vbv , January 10, 2010
Both islam and christianity are garbages that emanated fro an older garbage 'judaism'. All the three are 'exclusivist' intolerant cults ,it only breeds arrogance, racism, and hatred of all others who are different. Australians are racist, they have butchered the original inhabitants and occupied their lands ,who are now just aborigines : third class citizens in their own country . In the past ,in history, England used to deport criminals ,vagabonds and punks to Australia. You cannot expect decency,civilization or morality from the descendents of such people. These punks and their government raised such hue and cry when the Auastralian missionery couple were murdered in India , but expect us to keep quiet and not react when belittling, mu*ging and murdering Indians has become a pastime for these racist bastards. They want Indian styudents to fill the coffers of their Unviersities whose degrees/diplomas are really not very great: they want our money and also humiliate us. This christianity for you: what can you expect? Their cult founder Jesus was a confirmed BASTARD with an immoral license with Mary of Magdalene with pretensions of celebacy. Both islam and christianity are the biggest frauds on humanity, the cause of most of the wars in this world , the cause of racial prejudice and discrimination, the cause of hatred and the cause of destruction and genocides in Asia,Americas ,Australia and many other places.
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vbv
written by Mo-Suck , January 10, 2010
I agree with about all of your posts, but the problem with the way Indians are treated in .au is in Melbourne only.
We need to stick together on the real problem which is mussies and immigration to all of our lands.
I believe in the Gita, the answer to all questions. I never have endorsed the taking of lands in the name of any government, as I am 1/8th eastern Cherokee.
But we don't need to be like the stupid mussies and split our forces. We need to forgive and forget the past and move on to a world that will be at peace for the next 1000 years.
I will do all that I can to help ANY Hindu, that's the name of that tune.
Thanks for your comments.
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to Karan, on attacks on Indians Downunder
written by Aussie observer , January 10, 2010
Karan how do you know it is white racist attack on Indians in Australia. How do you know the attackers are not Muslims.

So far we know attacks on Indians are occuring in Melbourne and Sydney, which has high Muslim immigrants. News report said one attack occured in a immigrant neighborhood in Melbourne. And in another incident, when Indians hit back at the attackers Sydney, Lebanese Muslims had to be rushed to hospitals.

If white are attacking, the entire media would be going ga-ga about it with "racism cry". But neither media, nor the establishment, are opening their mouth. Who are the protecting?

The attacks are very mysterious. Let me enlighten you that it is Muslims, who have taken over Australia's criminal gangs, drug trades etc.
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To Laskar Ei Toiba
written by Archpagan , January 11, 2010
Very good posting. Keep it up. Lord Buddha meditated for 50 years on the sins and virtues of mankind. But, it never occured to him that idolatry can be a sin at par with stealing and falsehood. It was some buddhus of the desert wasteland of Arabian peninsula, where mud is a precious thing, who propounded such bizzarre theories. All of them, God's only son or ever-latest messangers are war or hate mongers, in the pursuit of creating an empire for them. Idolatry evolved all over the globe independenly, because it is natural. Yes, the earth is our mother, Sun is our father.
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Imagine a religion
written by Constantine the Great , January 16, 2010
Imagine you're a hen-pecked husband whose domineering wife has had you under her thumb for many many years; imagine you're a merchant whose no good at competing with fellow merchants; imagine you are ridiculed and expelled from your home; imagine you find refuge among a band of gangsters and bandits living in the deseret - what sort of religion would you invent? One where your wife has no rights and is subservient in every way to your will; where a man can have many wives so not one of them at any one time can withold sex from you; where you can justifiably attack and pillage your competitors' businesses; where anyone who mocks you can be killed without any blame; where banditry and murder are justified as the will of your god, where the macho lifestyle of the desert nomad is turned into a virtue. And voila, you have Islam. Most of the world doesn't espouse such "virtues" and has moved on in its social developmen - that's why Islam is incompatible with any other society other than its own.
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seems clear
written by Kohi , January 19, 2010
seems clear to all islam is a JOKE people You folks(muzzzies) WANT to INBRED and live in the 7th century fine but go to your own assbackwards country and leave us HUMANS ALONE!
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Assimilation anyone?
written by Ivan Jorkisznekyovski , October 06, 2010
If the Islamists wishes are not to impose their will on western civiisation and the leave their beloved countries for a better life elsewhere then why not take on the values/systems/morality/culture of the receiving nation? Unless for the purpose of conquest, why would you emigrate?

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