But with a good end: although the girl had to convert to Islam, reluctantly, to marry her love, the boy eventually left Islam....
Being born in a secular country, and being a Hindu, I was taught to love and respect all religion. This was until I fell in love with a Muslim.
A Muslim boy courted me when I was in university. He promised me that when it comes to marriage, I would NEVER need to convert. I could stay in my religion and we could marry under civil law. I made it clear to him that I would NEVER convert to Islam under ANY circumstances. He kept promising me that I would NEVER need to convert. It was only after his promise that I agreed and went into a relationship with him.
During our initial courtship, everything went well. But, soon, small problems started. I was always wearing the ‘pottu’ (a little black dot on the forehead which most Hindu girls would wear). My boyfriend kept asking me if I would stop wearing it after marriage. I got mad at him after a while and stopped talking to him for a few days. To me, I felt that he was asking me to change a part of me that had always been there. Why should I change it when he had fallen in love with me knowing that I was a Hindu? He stopped asking me when I got angry with him. But when our relationship deepened, he told me that I MUST stop wearing the ‘pottu’ and also told me that I had to stop eating pork when I was not with him. He also told me that I MUST stop eating from Chinese stalls even when I’m not with him. Out of the love I had for him, I stopped wearing the ‘pottu’ and stopped eating my favourite Chinese food.
Four years into our relationship, the real big problems started. He told his parents about us. His parents insisted that I must convert if I were to marry him. I told him that I was willing to wait for him to get his parents’ permission but I would not be able to convert. However, his parents made life hell for him. His mother even called me and started scolding me. She then twisted our conversation and lied to my boyfriend that I had used vulgarities on her and him.
My boyfriend started being grumpy and started taking it out on me. At first, he didn’t ask me to convert, however, as his parents kept insisting, he kept pestering me and asking me to consider converting. So, I told him that we shall see after going for the religious classes (compulsory for converting). During one of the religious classes, my ustaz asked me about my opinion of Islam. I told him frankly that I didn’t believe in Islam and if I converted, it would only be because of marriage. He got angry and told me that it would be better if I left my boyfriend. It is ‘better to cry tears of blood now than cry tears of blood later’. Those were his exact words. After that incident, I told my boyfriend that there was no way I was going to convert. This became a big issue. My boyfriend told his father and his father called the religious centre and scolded them for pushing me further away from the religion.
Everything was status quo for a while until my boyfriend’s uncles started interfering. All of them started scolding my boyfriend and told him that he was doing a great sin. They told him that I must convert to Islam and follow the teachings of Islam. My boyfriend finally broke down when one of his uncles told him that ‘if you marry a non-Muslim, your child would be a bastard’.
It was after this incident that my boyfriend told me that I would either have to convert or leave him. He told me that it was well-known that whoever marries a Muslim must convert and he doesn’t understand why I should make it a big issue. I was devastated. At this time, it was already 7 years into our relationship. I viewed this as a betrayal of trust and hypocrisy (asking me to do something that he himself would not be able to do). Our very relationship had started on the promise that I would never need to convert. By that time, it was very difficult for me to leave him as I was already deeply in love with him. I fell into severe depression because converting to Islam was also something that I really couldn’t get myself to do. I had been pushed into a corner and it was then that my deep hatred for Islam started.
Finally, I agreed to convert (with my parent’s permission). My boyfriend’s parents then insisted that I should change my name too and add Abdullah at the back of my name. This, I refused. Again, a lot of problems but I stood firm about my name which my parents had given me.
During my nikkah, my father was not allowed to give me off as his daughter because he was not a Muslim. He was not even allowed to be my witness. The person who gave me off was someone whom I didn’t even know.
I also realized that if anything were to happen to me, my parents will not get a share of the insurance they had bought for me. They would also not get a share in any of my hard-earned earnings because they are not Muslims. According to Faraid law, a non-Muslim cannot inherit from a Muslim.
A few months into my marriage, a Muslim neighbour told me that I should not visit my parents because my parents have dogs and that dogs are considered dirty (I happen to love dogs). She also told me that I should start praying seriously. I just shrugged off her stupidity.
I am sharing my story in the hope that non-Muslims who fall in love with a Muslim would sit back and think about what they are getting themselves into.
[Side-note: I have to add that my boyfriend (now my husband) is not a bad person. He just happens to come from a very unhappy family where the father always verbally abused the mother and where relatives interfered in other people’s lives. I am not sure if this is a 'islam' thing. To keep my story short, I had missed out portions and events which led to my husband slowly realizing that Islam was not that great a religion after all. I am lucky that through some incidents, my husband began to realize that my parents and I would be the one who would stand by him when he needs help and not his Muslim relatives. He also felt very bad about his betrayal to me. When he saw that I had changed from a very cheerful, chirpy person to a depressed person who was always crying, he made some compromises. After marriage, I converted out of Islam, with his knowledge. None of his family knows. He has also agreed for our children to grow up as free-thinkers.]
Leona
This testimony appeared in faithfreedom.org.
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written by Healer_999 , February 07, 2010
I forgot to mention this in the earlier post. She writes "He has also agreed for our children to grow up as free-thinkers."
He said some thing like this early in the relation ship. Like I said one needs a functioning brain, not just physical one. How can she be so confident of this after being let down once? See, brain not functioning. How can she be confident he will not change his decision? Now how they grow up, it all depends on the place they live in.
It is sad that place like country or a state is not mentioned here. She talked about religious center before converting. There is no such thing in India. Some one can enlighten me.
He said some thing like this early in the relation ship. Like I said one needs a functioning brain, not just physical one. How can she be so confident of this after being let down once? See, brain not functioning. How can she be confident he will not change his decision? Now how they grow up, it all depends on the place they live in.
It is sad that place like country or a state is not mentioned here. She talked about religious center before converting. There is no such thing in India. Some one can enlighten me.
written by Kohi , February 07, 2010
Glad the girl is "free" as she could be in that situation but it is sad she will never be FREE.
written by Mirza Ghalib , February 08, 2010
NON-MULIM LOVERS, BE WARE OF ISLAM!
Dear Leona,
It is obvious from your letter about the immense love towards your husband. The sacrifices which you have bear for him will not go waste. Your “End side-note” gave a hope that he is realizing your pain for the atrocities he has committed on you, unknowingly in the name of religion. There are so many good human beings like your husband who commits the same mistakes unknowingly under the pressure of the muslim society.
I feel your husband is truly a good person and can judge the difference between the goods and evils. From the language you have used in your article, I understood the City you belong to. There are some books available in your city, which you can have a look and recommend to your husband to read as well. The name of the book is “ THE SEALED NECTAR “ ( Ar-Raheequl-Makhtum ) – a biography of Muhammad in English. It is also available in your local language in the leading Islamic book stores. Don’t get shocked that I am recommending a pure Islamic book. Yes it is an award winning Islamic book written by and corrected by highly eminent Islamic scholars. It glorifies the character of Muhammad and the 7th century culture of Saudi Arabia, which cant fit with any civilized culture at any part of the world. It is a must read book for every muslim and non-muslims too.
In my opinion Islamic books are the real enemies of islam, because of the cultural differences. You will know that you cant fit in any where with that culture, if you read these books. Secondly, you can recommend him to read the translations of the Quran as a next step.
Don’t be dejected. Good luck to you and to your beloved husband.
Dear Leona,
It is obvious from your letter about the immense love towards your husband. The sacrifices which you have bear for him will not go waste. Your “End side-note” gave a hope that he is realizing your pain for the atrocities he has committed on you, unknowingly in the name of religion. There are so many good human beings like your husband who commits the same mistakes unknowingly under the pressure of the muslim society.
I feel your husband is truly a good person and can judge the difference between the goods and evils. From the language you have used in your article, I understood the City you belong to. There are some books available in your city, which you can have a look and recommend to your husband to read as well. The name of the book is “ THE SEALED NECTAR “ ( Ar-Raheequl-Makhtum ) – a biography of Muhammad in English. It is also available in your local language in the leading Islamic book stores. Don’t get shocked that I am recommending a pure Islamic book. Yes it is an award winning Islamic book written by and corrected by highly eminent Islamic scholars. It glorifies the character of Muhammad and the 7th century culture of Saudi Arabia, which cant fit with any civilized culture at any part of the world. It is a must read book for every muslim and non-muslims too.
In my opinion Islamic books are the real enemies of islam, because of the cultural differences. You will know that you cant fit in any where with that culture, if you read these books. Secondly, you can recommend him to read the translations of the Quran as a next step.
Don’t be dejected. Good luck to you and to your beloved husband.
written by meshy , February 08, 2010
Hi,
This blog is not about your contempt for Hindu women. So start writing something we share in common. Not your hate for women. Glad that you married a Christian woman.
Hope also that she did not dump her father after using his money to study.
You are no healer, that is for sure.
as for Leona, You are not going to be free from Islam ( conversion documents).
You are going into a Muslim graveyard.
But glad that mentally and emotionally you are free. good luck.
This blog is not about your contempt for Hindu women. So start writing something we share in common. Not your hate for women. Glad that you married a Christian woman.
Hope also that she did not dump her father after using his money to study.
You are no healer, that is for sure.
as for Leona, You are not going to be free from Islam ( conversion documents).
You are going into a Muslim graveyard.
But glad that mentally and emotionally you are free. good luck.
written by Clement- The Islam-Iwatch Pastor , February 08, 2010
This man except if leaves Islam he will soon add more wives at his Allah permission.A muslim look at a woman as one of the domestic animal with inteligence
Tabari IX:113"Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur'an."
Tabari I:280"Allah said, 'It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.' Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid."
Qur'an 4:3"If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with orphans, marry women of your choice who seem good to you, two or three or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to do justice (to so many), then only one, or (a slave) that you possess, that will be more suitable. And give the women their dower as a free gift; but if they, of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, eat it with enjoyment, take it with right good cheer and absorb it (in your wealth)."
Qur'an 4:11"Allah directs you in regard of your Children's (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females.... These are settled portions ordained by Allah."
Tabari IX:113"Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur'an."
Tabari I:280"Allah said, 'It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.' Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid."
Qur'an 4:3"If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with orphans, marry women of your choice who seem good to you, two or three or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to do justice (to so many), then only one, or (a slave) that you possess, that will be more suitable. And give the women their dower as a free gift; but if they, of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, eat it with enjoyment, take it with right good cheer and absorb it (in your wealth)."
Qur'an 4:11"Allah directs you in regard of your Children's (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females.... These are settled portions ordained by Allah."
written by vbv , February 08, 2010
Stupid woman,there is no such thing as 'conversion to islam' if you are not an ardent believer in its cult-idealogy. You may change your name, show all the externalities - but deep down there is no conviction. So , consider yourself as just humans and not this or that and hold on to your convictions; or just take a divorce to escape from that miserable existyence.
written by Machmoed , February 08, 2010
Leona,
What are you doing? Maybe it's already too late for you to have a life like you want. I hope you really love this guy and i hope for you that he is a bad muslim. If he is a good muslim, then you know he ownes you and you own nothing except from being his. You know that men have to protect the sexuality of their women. That's why women have to wear tents, so men cannot see the beauty of women. Maybe love made you blind like islam made over a billion muslims blind of the reality/truth.
What are you doing? Maybe it's already too late for you to have a life like you want. I hope you really love this guy and i hope for you that he is a bad muslim. If he is a good muslim, then you know he ownes you and you own nothing except from being his. You know that men have to protect the sexuality of their women. That's why women have to wear tents, so men cannot see the beauty of women. Maybe love made you blind like islam made over a billion muslims blind of the reality/truth.
written by Stay away from a relationwith Muslims , February 08, 2010
A Muslim under pressure from a community of Muslims would change their mind.
The moral of the story is never get involve with a Muslim.
The Islamic ideology is EVIL, too bad if you're born a Muslim, just your luck.
The moral of the story is never get involve with a Muslim.
The Islamic ideology is EVIL, too bad if you're born a Muslim, just your luck.
written by tanstaafl (JW) , February 08, 2010
Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst. Make sure you have an escape route out of your marriage: your Muslim husband may have changed his mind, but the pressure that the ummah puts on him is unrelenting. He may change his mind again and not to your benefit.
written by Clement- The Islam-Iwatch Pastor , February 09, 2010
Very Often people who are pissed up with Islam do classify Judaism and Christianity along with Islam as Abrahamic religion and since Islam is found to be fake and false cult religion the same thing applies to Judeo-Christian faith Since Islam derived its legitimacy from it. Here I will give you 10 good reasons why Islam has nothing to do with Abraham.
1.The personal name of the God of Abraham is called Yahweh, Mohammed called his God Allah a known moon god in Saudi Arabia during Mohammed’s time.
2.Yahweh called Abraham out of Idolatry and settled him in canan land now known as Israel. Allah called Mohammed into Idolatry and settled him in Mecca in Saudi Arabia by approving all the five pagan rituals of pre-Islamic days as the five pillar of Islam.
3.Yahweh spoke to Abraham and all the Jewish Prophets audibly, and through dreams, visions and through Angels, But Allah spoke to his only prophet and only through one Angel.
4. Yahweh did make sure his prophets did not fear or display any epileptic feat when speaking to them audibly, or through dreams, visions or Angel but the first encounter with the Islamic Angel Mohammed was scared to death his wife has to use her old age nudity to drive the terrifying Angel Away and each times he comes there was always epileptic feat displayed.
5.Yahweh made an everlasting Covenant with Abraham and Isaac the only son with his legitimate wife by whom he planned to bless the whole world. The proof of it was that Yahweh never spoke to anyone or used any prophet outside the children of Israel the descendant of Isaac. Mohammed claim to the office of a prophet hinges on the fact that he traced his lineage to Ishmael the first son of Abraham with the house maid of whom there was no covenant relationship or promise of prophet-hood. He preached hatred to the Jews and Christian (the real people of the covenant) with passion.
6.Yahweh made provision of blood sacrifice as means of obtaining forgiveness of sins committed in the covenant and consummate it on the final sacrifice of Christ as means of obtaining God’s grace in the new covenant which now opened the door of salvation to the gentiles. But Mohammed and his Quran denied all these age long truth of Yahweh that his Allah does not need blood to forgive sins.
7.Yahweh’s promised blessings to the whole world was based on the coming of the Messiah prophesied by almost all his major prophets thousands of years before its fulfilment on Christ. Mohammed accepted Christ as the Messiah but not the Saviour of the world, this in itself is a contradiction because the purpose of the Messiah was to save the world.
8.The historical truth of Jesus death burial and Resurrection was the major link to the Abrahamic covenant, this also was denied by Mohammed and his Quran thereby saying he was not of Abrahamic Faith.
9.The Ten Commandments which in the Islamic parlance are the Pillars of Judeo-Christian faith and bases of personal relationship with Yahweh. Allah reject it all not even one was among the five pillars of Islam, rather he broke the first three commandments by his Islamic pillars.
10.Yahweh’s mission for preaching the everlasting Gospel of Christ was to be done by the divine power of God and love by showing signs and wonders predicated by the golden rule – do to others as you would want them to do to you without sward or coercion But Allah and his Quran said he has ordained his believers to fight for him and they should wipe out the infidels to the last in order to establish his religion. This is not Yahweh the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob
1.The personal name of the God of Abraham is called Yahweh, Mohammed called his God Allah a known moon god in Saudi Arabia during Mohammed’s time.
2.Yahweh called Abraham out of Idolatry and settled him in canan land now known as Israel. Allah called Mohammed into Idolatry and settled him in Mecca in Saudi Arabia by approving all the five pagan rituals of pre-Islamic days as the five pillar of Islam.
3.Yahweh spoke to Abraham and all the Jewish Prophets audibly, and through dreams, visions and through Angels, But Allah spoke to his only prophet and only through one Angel.
4. Yahweh did make sure his prophets did not fear or display any epileptic feat when speaking to them audibly, or through dreams, visions or Angel but the first encounter with the Islamic Angel Mohammed was scared to death his wife has to use her old age nudity to drive the terrifying Angel Away and each times he comes there was always epileptic feat displayed.
5.Yahweh made an everlasting Covenant with Abraham and Isaac the only son with his legitimate wife by whom he planned to bless the whole world. The proof of it was that Yahweh never spoke to anyone or used any prophet outside the children of Israel the descendant of Isaac. Mohammed claim to the office of a prophet hinges on the fact that he traced his lineage to Ishmael the first son of Abraham with the house maid of whom there was no covenant relationship or promise of prophet-hood. He preached hatred to the Jews and Christian (the real people of the covenant) with passion.
6.Yahweh made provision of blood sacrifice as means of obtaining forgiveness of sins committed in the covenant and consummate it on the final sacrifice of Christ as means of obtaining God’s grace in the new covenant which now opened the door of salvation to the gentiles. But Mohammed and his Quran denied all these age long truth of Yahweh that his Allah does not need blood to forgive sins.
7.Yahweh’s promised blessings to the whole world was based on the coming of the Messiah prophesied by almost all his major prophets thousands of years before its fulfilment on Christ. Mohammed accepted Christ as the Messiah but not the Saviour of the world, this in itself is a contradiction because the purpose of the Messiah was to save the world.
8.The historical truth of Jesus death burial and Resurrection was the major link to the Abrahamic covenant, this also was denied by Mohammed and his Quran thereby saying he was not of Abrahamic Faith.
9.The Ten Commandments which in the Islamic parlance are the Pillars of Judeo-Christian faith and bases of personal relationship with Yahweh. Allah reject it all not even one was among the five pillars of Islam, rather he broke the first three commandments by his Islamic pillars.
10.Yahweh’s mission for preaching the everlasting Gospel of Christ was to be done by the divine power of God and love by showing signs and wonders predicated by the golden rule – do to others as you would want them to do to you without sward or coercion But Allah and his Quran said he has ordained his believers to fight for him and they should wipe out the infidels to the last in order to establish his religion. This is not Yahweh the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob
written by Machmoed , February 09, 2010
How islamic apologists work, especially when it’s about slavery.
Apologists: The Qor’aan tells us stories that have occurred during the prophetslife and ofcourse some verses about slavery are not valuable anymore.
No, this is not right. Islam claims that the Qor’aan is the litteraly last word of the almighty and Mohammad is his last messenger. The Qor’aan and Muhammad are the right examples for humanity. The qor’aan is for eternity. It’s not a history book!
Apologists: Who are we to think/believe that our morals of today are better. In those times slavery is a wide spread practice and was fully compatible with those times.
True it was and the whole Middle east practiced it. In the Roman time it was a common practice to throw slaves to lions, so people could enjoy the killing of innocent slaves. Was it accepted? Yes, but it doesn’t mean it’s OK to do so!
Apologists: Sex with slaves is only permitted voluntarily only. Islam encourages to marry slaves.
The voluntarily concept is a big lie (I’m not surprised). The Qor’aan is very clear: ‘Your women are a field (a sort of farming land) for you: get close (fysical) to them, when and how you want’. Marrying slaves is no obligation, in contrary; 23:5/6 en 33:30 are clear (moebien): lawful to you are women and slaves. Besides: wich slave (women) would want sex voluntarily with someone who butchered her husband and children? Ofcourse no one and therefor it’s rape!!!!! What a great example he was, if he ever did excist.
Apologists: The Qor’aan tells us stories that have occurred during the prophetslife and ofcourse some verses about slavery are not valuable anymore.
No, this is not right. Islam claims that the Qor’aan is the litteraly last word of the almighty and Mohammad is his last messenger. The Qor’aan and Muhammad are the right examples for humanity. The qor’aan is for eternity. It’s not a history book!
Apologists: Who are we to think/believe that our morals of today are better. In those times slavery is a wide spread practice and was fully compatible with those times.
True it was and the whole Middle east practiced it. In the Roman time it was a common practice to throw slaves to lions, so people could enjoy the killing of innocent slaves. Was it accepted? Yes, but it doesn’t mean it’s OK to do so!
Apologists: Sex with slaves is only permitted voluntarily only. Islam encourages to marry slaves.
The voluntarily concept is a big lie (I’m not surprised). The Qor’aan is very clear: ‘Your women are a field (a sort of farming land) for you: get close (fysical) to them, when and how you want’. Marrying slaves is no obligation, in contrary; 23:5/6 en 33:30 are clear (moebien): lawful to you are women and slaves. Besides: wich slave (women) would want sex voluntarily with someone who butchered her husband and children? Ofcourse no one and therefor it’s rape!!!!! What a great example he was, if he ever did excist.
written by Reed Wilson , February 09, 2010
I have not met any Muslim so far who follows Quran in his real life. So also a Hindu who spends his life as prescribed in Vedas. Christians don’t follow Bible. Nor do the Jews Turah. Surrogates have taken the place of Scriptures. If Leona professed Vedas, she is not a Mushrik. Mushrik is one who does not associate partners with God in Quranic parlance. If her boyfriend practiced Quran he was not a Mushrik. Meaning to say they had the same religion. No conversion needed. But society, with the corrupted ideologies, will not allow. God will have no objection. She could wear Battoo without annoying the Lord. Quran says 7:32 Say: "Who is there to forbid the beauty which God has brought forth for His creatures, and the good things from among the means of sustenance?" Say: "They are [lawful] in the life of this world unto all who have attained to faith - to be theirs alone on Resurrection Day." Thus clearly do We spell out these messages unto people of [innate] knowledge! Also 7:33 Say: "Verily, my Sustainer has forbidden only shameful deeds, be they open or secret, and [every kind of] sinning, and unjustified envy, and the ascribing of divinity to aught beside Him - since He has never bestowed any warrant therefor from on high and the attributing unto God of aught of which you have no knowledge." So, Leona has nothing to fear. -
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written by Machmoed , February 09, 2010
You might be true Reed Wilson; but it doesn't change the fact that a human being has to believe that allah is one and muhammad is his last messenger/ prophet on earth and this is where it gets interesting: an other religion than islam will not be accepted and those will be the loosers in the hereafter or something like that. This is the final fullfillment of Allah to Human kind, while before he sais there is no compultion in religion (very weird for the almighty not to see this at once) Leona indeed has nothing to fear from God who created her equally (in worth) to all creatures of live except from muslims who believe a woman is like a domestic animal.
written by Abdur Rehman Umar. , February 09, 2010
Leonas father is well off since he had not to give One million rupees to BF to accept her as his wife. One the other the Muslim BF must have given her Mehr as per muslim injunctions. Free thinkers children are at liberty to profess any faith. I wish them prosperous married life and luck to the kids.
written by Abdur Rehman Umar. , February 09, 2010
cont.
Typing mistakes in my above comments are regretted
Typing mistakes in my above comments are regretted
written by Healer_999 , February 09, 2010
Its very hilarious what you write. Now tell me why so many Muslim women are in brothels in India? This example is used by many Indian Muslims to justify their perceptions about this nation India. Simple answer is that they were simply dumped by their Husbands and they in turn have no where to go. Ashamed of becoming a burden on their parents, not getting any alimony from ex-husbands simply give them no chance but to end up in red light areas.
Recently there was a demonstration in Orissa by such women from Islam demanding state also give them some benefits as it is giving to widows from Hindus.
Now say what? Those women committed blasphemy, right.
Recently there was a demonstration in Orissa by such women from Islam demanding state also give them some benefits as it is giving to widows from Hindus.
Now say what? Those women committed blasphemy, right.
written by Abdur Rehman Umar , February 09, 2010
Troublesome Marriage of a Hindu girl with a Muslim
Healer999. I don’t know much about the statistics of brothels in India. I know that India is huge country with its populations exceeding 1bn. There is poverty also. In such a big population a few queer cases is not very unusual. Poverty gives rise to so many unpleasant things. The story of Leona, however, does not justify the title of the article. They are, like many such cases, are living a very happy matrimonial life. Empror Akbars wife was happy with him. So Also Nargis/Sunil lived hapy life They are educated and understanding couple. She herself says "I have to add that my boyfriend (now my husband) is not a bad person". Therefor the marriage is not toublesome. The trouble is somewhere else.
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Healer999. I don’t know much about the statistics of brothels in India. I know that India is huge country with its populations exceeding 1bn. There is poverty also. In such a big population a few queer cases is not very unusual. Poverty gives rise to so many unpleasant things. The story of Leona, however, does not justify the title of the article. They are, like many such cases, are living a very happy matrimonial life. Empror Akbars wife was happy with him. So Also Nargis/Sunil lived hapy life They are educated and understanding couple. She herself says "I have to add that my boyfriend (now my husband) is not a bad person". Therefor the marriage is not toublesome. The trouble is somewhere else.
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written by Reed Wilson , February 09, 2010
HAPPY MARRIAGE
Machmoed what is wrong in believing that God is one? In all religions one has to believe the same. Last messenger is not a tall claim. No compulsion means it is up to you to believe or don't. Who believes that woman is domestic animal?
Machmoed what is wrong in believing that God is one? In all religions one has to believe the same. Last messenger is not a tall claim. No compulsion means it is up to you to believe or don't. Who believes that woman is domestic animal?
written by Machmoed , February 09, 2010
Reed, read the whole sentence, it belongs together. I said:
but it doesn't change the fact that a human being has to believe that "allah is one and muhammad is his last messenger/ prophet on earth and this is where it gets interesting: an other religion than islam will not be accepted"
I can see why you are a muslim. NO COMPULSION MEANS....seriously are you a retard? I didn''t ask you for the meaning of compultion). A lot of muslim treat their women as it was a domestic animal (sort of speaking), they keep their home and if she is allowed to go outside, she has to wear and seal herself from head to tow, so that men wouldn't get horny and the risk of being raped or assaulted.
but it doesn't change the fact that a human being has to believe that "allah is one and muhammad is his last messenger/ prophet on earth and this is where it gets interesting: an other religion than islam will not be accepted"
I can see why you are a muslim. NO COMPULSION MEANS....seriously are you a retard? I didn''t ask you for the meaning of compultion). A lot of muslim treat their women as it was a domestic animal (sort of speaking), they keep their home and if she is allowed to go outside, she has to wear and seal herself from head to tow, so that men wouldn't get horny and the risk of being raped or assaulted.
written by balam , February 10, 2010
You have never met a Muslim yet,who follows the Quran completely.I agree with you because the Quran speaks with the FORK tongue like a snake and it is very hard to follow because of its contradictions.You can find the best Muslims among the Tailban and among most brain washed Muslims specially in Pakistan and Egypt and Saudi-Arabia.Islam is a curse for humanity and as for Leona who has chosen this poisoned challice for herself,Soon she will realize the consequences.As you sow,so shall you reap.
written by truth researcher , February 10, 2010
Hello Leona
I see u suffered severly because you felt in love with a muslim boy who had married you after all these aches. he now is you husband, so don't listen to hatred persons even when they are hindus or your direct relatives.
what is the drug that treats you from the illnesses?
my propasal to you is: ask your heart, is your heart beats with the love of this boy (Husband)?
if yes ..din't worry remain beside him even if insists that you may convert to islam
Regards
I see u suffered severly because you felt in love with a muslim boy who had married you after all these aches. he now is you husband, so don't listen to hatred persons even when they are hindus or your direct relatives.
what is the drug that treats you from the illnesses?
my propasal to you is: ask your heart, is your heart beats with the love of this boy (Husband)?
if yes ..din't worry remain beside him even if insists that you may convert to islam
Regards
written by James Hammond , February 10, 2010
Leona herself says that they are husband and wife and that he is a good man. He even converted toHinduism. What else you, Healer, Mirzaghalib, Machmmood Balam etc want? If she starts feeling aggrieved it wont be friendship with her. Leave her alone and let her live her life. They seem to me wise folk.
written by Healer_999 , February 10, 2010
I issued apologies to her and every one in the faithfreedom.org website. At the end of day you have to respect their individual rights. There can not be any other alternative.
Here again I say sorry. Nothing can justify what I wrote in faithfreedom.org or here.
Happy Hammond.
Here again I say sorry. Nothing can justify what I wrote in faithfreedom.org or here.
Happy Hammond.
written by Neelam , February 10, 2010
Its true that majority of muslims are dangerous, but many muslims know the problems in islam and have tried to be secular like studying, not keeping beard, not killing non-muslims, not blowing up,not raping etc. These are good humans and have less 'islamic' element in them.
Also many muslims are unfortuntely muslims by birth , but hardly practices islamic teachings and have an illusion that muhammed was like Buddha/Jesus etc. Due to these illusions many of these muslims, are able to live among non-muslims and behave humanely. Islam is a complex socio - political problem and would either will take lot of time or lot of destruction to completely eradicated from earth.
Also many muslims are unfortuntely muslims by birth , but hardly practices islamic teachings and have an illusion that muhammed was like Buddha/Jesus etc. Due to these illusions many of these muslims, are able to live among non-muslims and behave humanely. Islam is a complex socio - political problem and would either will take lot of time or lot of destruction to completely eradicated from earth.
written by Machmoed , February 11, 2010
Hammond,
If there is nothing wrong with their relationship and i assume and hope that they really are in love and that's wonderfull. But why tell the story here. Why did she write the story anyway...just to tell us that there are good muslims. Ofcourse there are but that's not the point. There are thousands of muslims who married non-muslims and thousands are very happy with their choise. Islam and love is almost incompatible. But hey...we just tell her that she must think about it and when she really loves him then everybody knows that true love is much stronger than religion. Leona, i'm sorry if you're hurt by my/ our words but that's just because we love you. If he's your man, stand beside him.
If there is nothing wrong with their relationship and i assume and hope that they really are in love and that's wonderfull. But why tell the story here. Why did she write the story anyway...just to tell us that there are good muslims. Ofcourse there are but that's not the point. There are thousands of muslims who married non-muslims and thousands are very happy with their choise. Islam and love is almost incompatible. But hey...we just tell her that she must think about it and when she really loves him then everybody knows that true love is much stronger than religion. Leona, i'm sorry if you're hurt by my/ our words but that's just because we love you. If he's your man, stand beside him.
written by A saddened human being , February 11, 2010
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Please see the picture of this beautiful girl (Prathiba) and read her sad story here:
http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=10258&SKIN=K
Please see the picture of this beautiful girl (Prathiba) and read her sad story here:
http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=10258&SKIN=K
written by A saddened human being , February 11, 2010
Has your husband rejoined Dharma yet? If not, he may get sucked back back into that terrible darkness.
Some people find it hard to live with a void - especially in matters of faith. Please gently guide your husband towards Dharma.
Dharma is a win-win situation for both of you.
Some people find it hard to live with a void - especially in matters of faith. Please gently guide your husband towards Dharma.
Dharma is a win-win situation for both of you.
written by Ann , February 14, 2010
The more i studied islam i came to the conclusion that islam is a false religion and never ever trust a muslim.
written by anon , August 21, 2010
what sort of married life would a pig and a cow have? That's what one between people of different cultures would be.Inevitably at some point in life conflicting views based on upbringing will show their heads- society plays an important part in our lives and is very unforgiving to those who falter.Islam is probably a tolerant religion but the rigid way Muslims practise it does not leave any leeway for compromise.I am all for live and let live but the fact that in countries where they are in majority,ethnic minorities have no say-any churches in Saudi for example- any safeguards for minorities in Pakistan or Bangladesh?Hindu girls /boys who want to marry Muslims should make use of their brains if they have any.Girls should not be looking at the Hindu actresses who fornicate with Muslims and then marry Hindu men as role model.
written by Zenbo , November 08, 2010
Quran-4:74- Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory (i.e. killed or be killed) - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).
Quran-4:95- Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons (sacrifice both life and wealth) than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward.
Quran-3:169-: Think not of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord; (Here Allah is saying that those jihadi who dies [commit suicide] is not dead but he will be living with Allah).
Now, I do not believe that anybody can have slightest doubt that the above clear invitations (from Allah) for the ardent fanatical believers can very easily convince the blind pukka (pure) Muslims to become a time-bomb (suicidal) in order to kill infidels/kaffirs-for the cause of Allah! The above verses (9:111; 3:169; 4:74; 4:95) are clearly ordering devout Muslims "to kill and be killed"; that is, Allah is teaching Muslims to sacrifice their own lives (to commit suicide) in His cause (Allah's cause) in order to kill infidels (enemy of Allah). This single verse (9:111) very precisely justifies suicide bombing-the most lethal, most terrifying, most inhuman and most successful weapon majority Islamic terrorists are using today to kill Allah's enemies. It is the perfect example (without any ambiguity) of suicidal method Allah has prescribed for devout Muslims. In the verse above (9:111) Islamic Allah clearly saying that: He (Allah) purchased life and property of believers in exchange of lustful and unimaginable lucrative heavenly pleasures for those who will die (commit suicide) for the cause (killing kaffirs) of Allah. After this, Muslims (ardent followers of the Quran) do not need any more killing instructions for their motivation to kill kaffirs/infidels. For good reason we can sum up that the Islamic God (Allah) is the most dangerous deity having unlimited vengeful, cruel, intolerant, intimidating and war-loving blood thirsty divine entity.
Quran-4:95- Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons (sacrifice both life and wealth) than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward.
Quran-3:169-: Think not of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord; (Here Allah is saying that those jihadi who dies [commit suicide] is not dead but he will be living with Allah).
Now, I do not believe that anybody can have slightest doubt that the above clear invitations (from Allah) for the ardent fanatical believers can very easily convince the blind pukka (pure) Muslims to become a time-bomb (suicidal) in order to kill infidels/kaffirs-for the cause of Allah! The above verses (9:111; 3:169; 4:74; 4:95) are clearly ordering devout Muslims "to kill and be killed"; that is, Allah is teaching Muslims to sacrifice their own lives (to commit suicide) in His cause (Allah's cause) in order to kill infidels (enemy of Allah). This single verse (9:111) very precisely justifies suicide bombing-the most lethal, most terrifying, most inhuman and most successful weapon majority Islamic terrorists are using today to kill Allah's enemies. It is the perfect example (without any ambiguity) of suicidal method Allah has prescribed for devout Muslims. In the verse above (9:111) Islamic Allah clearly saying that: He (Allah) purchased life and property of believers in exchange of lustful and unimaginable lucrative heavenly pleasures for those who will die (commit suicide) for the cause (killing kaffirs) of Allah. After this, Muslims (ardent followers of the Quran) do not need any more killing instructions for their motivation to kill kaffirs/infidels. For good reason we can sum up that the Islamic God (Allah) is the most dangerous deity having unlimited vengeful, cruel, intolerant, intimidating and war-loving blood thirsty divine entity.
written by muslims are troublesome , May 10, 2011
muslims are troublesome!!!
always creating problems
always creating problems
written by Brother , November 26, 2011
Dear brothers and Sisters, I have to clear some misconceptions which i have observed from all the above comments. First and foremost thing is that there is no concept of Love or pre-marital relationship before wedding in Islam and the All-Knowing, the Almighty Himself has commanded over His believers, for He alone knows the best for mankind.
My dear Brothers and Sisters, the reasons behind this are as follows:
1. Pre-marital relationship leads to unethical conducts such as hugging, kissing, incest and other animal instincts which is getting wide spread nowadays by the society as ethical. These are no where allowed in any religion including hinduism or christianity as far as my knowledge is concerned. 2. It leads to illegal pregnancies where both the families get into deep depression and discomfort. 3.It leads to the degradation of women who gets pregnant out of wed lock. 4.The innocent child which is given birth out of wedlock is exposed to pschychological impact due to indirect insults given by most of the communities as suggested by doctors. 5.The Divorce rate is very high in love marriages when compared to arranged marriages as per the recent statistics. 6. Most important is that, the marriage is not the union of two individuals but the union of two families, communities and the society. Hence, there are many issues which rise due to inter-faith marriages which leads to the shattering of the couples and hence divorce. The divorce rate is very very high in interfaith marriages. 7.Moreover, the children are exposed to two different religions and have, if not now but at their later stages, a societal impact on their religious behaviour.
8.There arise many problems among relatives and families. To be clear on this aspect,first of all, lets understand the oneness of God. There is only one God, the Al mighty, the All Wise, the All knowing. This has been clearly mentioned in Vedas (Ekam evadityam- God is only one), christianity and Islam. It is people who declare different forms of God by going against the religious scriptures and thus create confusion.No religious scripture tells us about the indecent acts of Love such as pre-marital relationship which mostly leads to sins and shamefulness. If any scripture tells anything about pre-marital relationship in its right form, it is without any doubt, an interpolation,adulteration of facts by humans. Hence before blaming any religion, try to learn to accept our faults. The boy and the girl are equally responsible for their problems. As far as Islam is concerned, Allah has condemned not to go near adultery or fornication.Muslims strictly follow the scripture and commandment of God and His oneness and can marry only a person who believes in the Oneness of God which is universal. Hence as far as the guy is concerned, his wishes are correct and God fearing. The girl can believe in the oneness of God(Islam) and can marry him without any doubt without hurting parents.
My dear Brothers and Sisters, the reasons behind this are as follows:
1. Pre-marital relationship leads to unethical conducts such as hugging, kissing, incest and other animal instincts which is getting wide spread nowadays by the society as ethical. These are no where allowed in any religion including hinduism or christianity as far as my knowledge is concerned. 2. It leads to illegal pregnancies where both the families get into deep depression and discomfort. 3.It leads to the degradation of women who gets pregnant out of wed lock. 4.The innocent child which is given birth out of wedlock is exposed to pschychological impact due to indirect insults given by most of the communities as suggested by doctors. 5.The Divorce rate is very high in love marriages when compared to arranged marriages as per the recent statistics. 6. Most important is that, the marriage is not the union of two individuals but the union of two families, communities and the society. Hence, there are many issues which rise due to inter-faith marriages which leads to the shattering of the couples and hence divorce. The divorce rate is very very high in interfaith marriages. 7.Moreover, the children are exposed to two different religions and have, if not now but at their later stages, a societal impact on their religious behaviour.
8.There arise many problems among relatives and families. To be clear on this aspect,first of all, lets understand the oneness of God. There is only one God, the Al mighty, the All Wise, the All knowing. This has been clearly mentioned in Vedas (Ekam evadityam- God is only one), christianity and Islam. It is people who declare different forms of God by going against the religious scriptures and thus create confusion.No religious scripture tells us about the indecent acts of Love such as pre-marital relationship which mostly leads to sins and shamefulness. If any scripture tells anything about pre-marital relationship in its right form, it is without any doubt, an interpolation,adulteration of facts by humans. Hence before blaming any religion, try to learn to accept our faults. The boy and the girl are equally responsible for their problems. As far as Islam is concerned, Allah has condemned not to go near adultery or fornication.Muslims strictly follow the scripture and commandment of God and His oneness and can marry only a person who believes in the Oneness of God which is universal. Hence as far as the guy is concerned, his wishes are correct and God fearing. The girl can believe in the oneness of God(Islam) and can marry him without any doubt without hurting parents.
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She says she converted back to Hinduism with out telling any one especially her mother in laws. So we have a new apostate. Hurray. I wonder when she goes to meet her in laws how she dresses up.
I don't blame him or his family. It is her fault completely. Read carefully she is not going to blame her boyfriend husband. I agree with that. I hope she realizes more and suffer more. Hate to say this. Any way though I married a Christian woman,
I lost respect for these Hindu women. I have nothing but contempt for these.
I tell you why. I saw fathers taking loans and selling their farms so that their daughters can get good education and in the end all they do is dump their parents in the name of love and some kind of secularism. Try talking to these Hindu women about this kind, they will name you as a extremist.