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Terrorists: A Metamorphosis of Satan or God?

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Terrorist actions of Jihadis and religious zealots resemble more of the nature of God, and exactly the opposite of Satan's....


[This is an old essay written before this site was founded. But it's as appealing and relevant as ever]

The terrorist carnages worldwide by the Islamic militants have not only been causing brutal destruction, pain and sufferings to the victims but have also caused much distress and pain to compassionate human beings all over the world. Despite the fact that a great number of Muslims take pride and joy in their hearts at such incidences, which even sometimes manifest in wild exuberance on the streets of the Muslim world, yet there are a great many compassionate Muslims who find it equally barbaric and distressing. They even take the liberty of giving all kinds of demonizing labels to these suicidal murderers. One Muslims friend recently, in outrage at the terror carnage in Delhi on 29 October which killed 60 mostly shopping women and children for the Dewali Festivity, termed the perpetrators a Metamorphosis of Satan.1

Although that was a good commentary from a Muslim for the sufferings of the Hindu infidels, yet it begs explanation as to why these murderous human beings are to be called "Satan"? Why the poor guy Satan has to be made scapegoat for the abominable acts of these terrorists? Logically, there is no scope for human beings to metamorphose into Satan or vice-versa as per the deliberations of the Bible and Koran. It is clearly mentioned in the Bible and Koran that Man is created in the image (spirit) of God/Allah, not in that of the Satan:

Genesis 1:27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Koran 38.71: When your Lord said to the angels; Surely, I am going to create a mortal from dust.

Koran 38.72: So when I have made him complete and breathed into him of My spirit, then fall down making obeisance to him.

Thus in the simplest of logic, it is impossible, according to Bible or the Quran, to metamorphoseSatan to man or man to Satan. Instead, it is clearly possible to metamorphose man toGod/Allah or God/Allah to man since both are of the same or similar image, spirit or material.

Now let us analyze if these barbaric murderers of innocent kids and mothers in the festival bazaar of Delhi are more similar to the spirit and attitude of Satan or to that of the God/Allah. As per the story of the Koran, Satan is the symbol of sanity, dignity, justice and protest against tyranny. God/Allah created angels and the Satan was their leader for his excellent performance of the Job for eons in the heaven. The pre-human period of angels' world in heaven is characterized by a period of great peace, order, harmony and tranquility. Now God/Allah created this new creature, called man in Adam, in his own image/spirit and ordered all angels to bow to this new entity in respect, submission and obedience. Although the idiot batch of the angels quickly bowed to Adam at the order of God/Allah, Satan (Shaitan, Iblis) did not. He wanted to know why he has to show submission and obedience! He wanted to be sure what he was doing! He wanted God/Allah to explain but God/Allah, instead of explaining why his new creation was worthy of a bow, became infuriated with Satan. God/Allah, like any earthly human tyrants, such as Saddam Hussein, Hitler, Stalin or Pol Pot, must punish Satan with the most cruel and barbaric punishment in his capacity - which is, burning him in hellfire for eternity.

Satan was a voice of reasons.3 He wanted to be conscious of what he does and of the worthiness of his doings. When a father wants his son to do something new or strange, it is expected that the father will explain the rationale to his son in advance before asking him to do the strange job. If he forgets to explain beforehand and the son requests an explanation, he will quickly apologize for his failure to explain earlier and would quickly do the explaining. If the son does not become convinced by father's explanation and refuse to do the job, the father will let go of or at best be a bit disappointed and in a couple of days, everything will be alright. This is what is like a good, educated and civilized father in modern society. Of course, we have uncivilized fathers in backward societies who do not to explain but only orders to their children. If children do not follow his orders, with no questions asked, he would punish them severely. Thus, God/Allah was not a civilized and decent kind of father (creator) to Satan but was the latter type - an uneducated, uncivilized and tyrannical one. Allah was not like a civilized, democratic and just administrator but a tyrannical brute who punished Satan so severely for asking the most reasonable question. Satan deserved appreciation for being judicious and intelligent instead of being timid and blind subservient like the other angels. Here Satan again had shown the glimpse of as to why he was the leader of the angels. But instead of getting a reward or applaud from God/Allah, the supposedly supreme intelligent entity of the Universe, he got the severest of punishment imaginable.

So, condemnation of Satan by Allah on that fateful day of Adam's creation - marked the end of reason, sanity and justice.3

That day marked the triumph of tyranny, injustice and unreason of God/Allah. That day also marked emergence of a new creature, named man - who represent all the qualities of God/Allah - including tyranny, injustice, unreason, brutality and what not. It only turns true that God/Allah created Adam in his own image or spirit in that the qualities of man as history has witnessed and that of God/Allah, as displayed on that fateful day, perfectly attest to that truth. Man is truly the image or spirit of God/Allah and exactly the opposite of what the Satan stood for.

Thus, the bombers of the 9/11 (NY), 7/7 (London), 29/10 (Delhi) and so on cannot be called metamorphoses of the Satan. This is because of the fact, ascertained by God/Allah Himself, that "man" was created with materials opposite to that of the Satan. Man was, in stead, created in the image (materials?) of Allah/God himself, so the murderous bombers of these brutal destructions must represent the image of Allah/God - not that of the Satan.

Now let us examine if these suicide bombers followed the command of Allah or the Satan. The story of Adam's creation tells us that Allah favors those who follow his orders with absolute obedience, like the Lemmings, to self-destruction. For example, all the angels who followed Allah's order to bow to Adam like the Lemmings to surrender their own prestige, despite their impeccable service and integrity, to a creature that can be worse than any other creature on Earth. In this present case, these murderous suicide bombers are also taking orders of Allah like the Lemmings to their own destruction along with as many other innocents as possible. This order of Allah has been outlined in many of his own words in the Koran. A couple of those are presented here:

1. Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not. [Koran 2.216]

2. Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise ): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: [Koran 09:111]

3. Fight those who believe neither in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. [Koran-9:29]

Thus, Allah has made fighting compulsory to all Muslims and has urged Muslims to kill and get killed in Allah's cause (to establish Islam) until unbelievers are completely defeated, subdued to submission and Allah's commands are being established at every corner of the world. It is unfortunate that even ~1400 years after Allah commanded this, his command is vastly absent in many parts of the world, including India, Europe, America and many parts of Asia. Instead, Allah's much hated idolatry and other false Gods or complete unbelief dominate those parts of the world. Allah must be extremely frustrated and these so-called terrorists are only following Allah's commands to expand His supremacy to those parts of the world. These terrorists are jumping into suicidal missions exactly like under-strength comrades of Prophet Muhammad used to do against the dominant enemy forces of Allah and most of the time causing much greater destruction on the enemy-side. These suicidal murderers are doing the same with equal or greater efficiency, sometimes one of them killing hundreds of the target enemies.

On the other hand, Satan is never known to have commanded such brutality. The pre-human world of the angels under the leadership of Satan was a world of justice, order and tranquility. However, Allah/God claims that Satan committed a "great crime" by leading Adam and Eve to astray. But was that at all any kind of serious crime? God created Adam and Eve with the desire for eating the forbidden fruit and most irrationally He commanded them not to eat that fruit like a cruel and playful tormentor - not like a loving and caring father. All Satan did was to convince Adam and Eve to eat the fruits for which they were created with a strong desire and should have been entitled to. Satan only helped Adam and Eve out of the continuous torments. He was a compassionate friend of Adam and Eve unlike an irrational, tormenting and cruel father in Allah/God. Once again, Allah showed his tyrannical injustice for a crime which was committed by Satan but also punishing Eve heavily for it - because she stepped into the trap of the Satan, set by Allah/God himself. In a nutshell, the irrational, barbaric and cruel acts of the terrorists in no way represent the principles and morality of the Satan but clearly that of the God/Allah. These terrorists are the reincarnate of God/Allah - not that of the Satan.

Many a religious Muslims, indoctrinated by the secular education and humanistic ethics of the modern world often, most outrageously, terms these terrorists as reincarnate of the Satan although they represent the commands, attitudes and characteristics of God/Allah. The same is true for the other religious moderates, educated in the modern world. For example, when one raises the issue of burning millions of innocent women in Europe labeling them as witches4 or great many men and women as apostates, the modern Christians would quickly terms those persecutors as reincarnate of the Satan. Yet, it is Biblical God who commanded his followers to execute those acts of cruel barbarity:

  • "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" [Exodus 22:18]
  • "Whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost (apostates?), it shall not be forgiven him neither in this world nor in the world to come." Mat 12:32

Similarly, all good Christians believe gay nightclubs (homosexuality), abortion clinic etc. are considered sinful and not approved by their God. Yet, when Eric Rudolf bombed such nightclubs and clinics in order to destroy the vestiges of sins which killed, inured and maimed many people2, all Christians would quickly lay the blame on innocent Satan by calling Mr. Rudolf a reincarnate of his, instead of the spirit and hatred of God for such sinful places which inspired Mr. Rudolf into doing these barbaric acts of terror. No where in the world, Satan has said that he dislikes those places such that reincarnation of him in Eric Rudolf would lead the latter to bomb those nightclubs and abortion clinics.

In fine, let us not make this innocent Satan guy a scapegoat for the barbaric acts of the terrorists but in stead, place the blame where it truly lies. Else, finding the solutions for ending this unnecessary barbaric cruelty would remain as elusive as ever

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This essay presents a false dichotomy
written by Chris LA , October 22, 2011
A student of any elementary college course in logic would throw out this essay as a false dichotomy. It presupposes that the God (the Creator of the Universe) and Allah are one and the same. Then it compares Allah/God with Satan. This is like arguing that an Avacado is not a fruit because it is green like a vegetable. The correct comparison should be made between God and Allah/Satan. While God is pure reason, described as “logos,” and wanted his creation to enjoy unbounded wisdom, the Quran’s Allah feared that being generous with his subjects would make them rebellious per Surah 42:27.

The story of Satan refusing to bow down to Adam from Surah 7:11 does not appear anywhere except the Quran. Later in that same Surah one can find the rhetorical question, "Who is more wicked than the man who invents a falsehood about God or denies His revelations?” (Surah 7:37) The Quran is filled with such falsehoods, all the product of Muhammad's fertile imagination. Terrorism, homicide, rape of captives, injustice, and unreason are falsely attributed to the true God via the invention of Allah. The true God would never condone such things.
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Adam and Eve Eat Fruit
written by Robert Hagedorn , October 22, 2011
Saint Augustine couldn't do it, but can someone else explain what kind of fruit Adam and Eve ate in the story? This may sound silly, but after 6000+ years we deserve an intelligent explanation. No guesses, opinions, or beliefs, please--just the facts that we know from the story. But first, do a quick Internet search: First Scandal.
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"Forbidden fruit" or "sex"?
written by Apostate , October 22, 2011
In our country, there's kind of Muslims, identified as Marfoti. They are kind of followers of besharia (out of sharia) Sufism. And they assume the forbidden fruit was actually "sex" from which God had prohibited Adam and Eve. Anyway, this is a purely fictional story and deriving facts from it is impossible.
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Allah is Satan
written by Guy Macher , October 22, 2011
Any unbiased reading of the Koran reveals that Allah is evil, vengeful, deceitful, and bloodthirsty. Allah clearly is just another name for Satan.
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On Biblical Satan/Devil
written by Alamgir-Hussain , October 23, 2011
Chris LA, I agree that the descriptions of Satan in the Quran and Bible are somewhat different. The Quran is more clear and specific about why the Satan deserved to be condemned, but the Bible is at best vague despite condemning Satan in similar ways. In the Old Testament, Satan impugned whether Job unconditionally surrendered to the will of God. Satan is, thus, characterized as having the purpose of searching out sins in human beings and turn to be their accuser [Job 1:7ff]. Given the nature of human's, Satan should be deemed right to seeking to do that. He represented a sane voice for a check-and-balance on a creature that can commit barbarism, unknown in the entire animaldom.

Elsewhere, he appears as the adversary of the high priest Joshua [Zech. 3:1–2]. In relation to Adam & Eve, Satan's role is same in the Bible as in the Quran. So, there is still nothing so horrendous in the nature of the Satan/Devil of the Bible. He is certainly much more elevating than the Biblical God, who sets his chosen people upon the innocent inhabitants of Canaan to commit horrendous barbarism, cruelty and genocide.
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Alamgir-Hussain
written by duh_swami , October 23, 2011
The Bible and Quran Satan, and all the other characters are made up and only have a symbolic function...Everything written about them was written by man who can see the phenomena's of nature, but has a harder time explaining them...But because we are men, we think we need to explain everything, and so we try...There is a dynamic and a process of how we and the rest of the universe got here, but no one knows exactly what it is, so men say 'God' did it...From that, elaborate stories were concocted to try and explain the details, and the roll man plays in it...
Various religions have been built out of the idea that 'God' said/did it...But since no one has heard him speak, or create anything, no one knows for sure that 'God' ever said or did anything...As with Mohammad and Gabriel, Mohammad had no way to know if Gabriel was telling MO Allah's ideas or his own (Gabriels)...
Satan and all his assistants, Allah, Moloch, and others, represent destructive forces that in most cases man can do without...
We certainly can do without Satan or destructive religions, as is Islam...Physical earth science has overcome some of this, and is working on others, but only mind science can fix a fragmented mind destroyed by Satan, and his agent Allah...It would be bad enough if Satanic destruction was forced on us, but it is not...It is the result of choice without mind...A Muslim who regains his mind is an apostate...
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Hitler, Stalin, Muhammad
written by C"H"Martel , October 23, 2011
My book, "Satan's Trinity: Hitler, Stalin & Muhammad," will be available within the month and one may pre-order at http://www.satanstrinity.wordpress.com/ For the first time in history "HSM" appear together on a book cover. The idea behind the book is to make headway against the ludicrous idea that Muhammad should be conjoined with any religious leader/founder. Once this comparison, driven by actual names, has been made then it must be attacked. Once the attack has been launched then the attackers will be forced to defend their attack. Since the attack is indefensible then the "religion" Muhammad (if he existed) founded will begin to be viewed as the scam it is. This book has been written under the principle of KISS. And nothing is simpler to understand than Hitler and Stalin…..and now, Muhammad. Thank you for your time.......C"H"Martel
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Satan and Iblees
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 23, 2011
Satan and Iblees are two different characters defined in the Quran. Whereas, in the Bible, Iblees is called serpant.
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Quran is changed
written by Abdullah , October 23, 2011
Quran is wrong, corrupted, abrogated and disarranged. Bible is well preserved the day it was started to written down for the first time for man-kind. Islam is a dangerous cult religion. It has to be eliminated as soon as good. Tactics are necessary and spread the net of anti-Islamic websites as much as could and possibly translated in all languages. After 10 years Muslims from 1.6 billion will drop to 1.6 million.
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...
written by fineliving56 , October 23, 2011
Satan and Allah …are all one and the same.

Satan and Allah …play the bad cop, good cop game …except they are the same cop.

Muslims are so gullible.
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...
written by duh_swami , October 23, 2011
No one would know that bad events were the work of Satan if some priest didn't tell us...How would we know there were demons and a chief demon named Satan working against us, if we are not told that by priests? Who was the high priest of Islam if not Gabriel?
But there is something wrong with this picture...Gabriel is an archangel from the celestial land of light...That makes it impossible for an authentic Gabriel to talk garbage and nonsense...Garbage and nonsense are from the darkness of the abyss where no angel can go, nor would they have any desire to go there...So it is more likely that Mohammad was possessed by a lessor demon who lied about what Allah was dictating, or Mohammad made it up with a little help from his friends...
The only reason anyone believes any of this is because some priest said so...
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Eric Rudolf
written by dead or alive , October 23, 2011
Went aloof for years from the police and FBI.He had some smarts.
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@duh_swami.... and the real God of the ... whatever
written by Alamgir-Hussain , October 23, 2011
is so impotent that that little Demon passed on so much lies about God Himself over so many years, and He couldn't do any shit to prevent it. Causing misery to humanity or at least letting it be caused to humanity is the trademark of the God... I guess the Satan guy wouldn't have stood by...had he got the power to stop it.

Whatever it is: Satan surely has the power to deceive the real Biblical God... So, who is the real God??? The less powerful or the more...???
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Quran
written by fineliving56 , October 23, 2011
Quran is mostly a book of ways to control the masses and what better way to do that but to say God/Allah wants it that way. Islam will not be able to be called a religion without some few good and wholesome parts, after all without them, it becomes another barbarian rules, nothing else especially, when not one Mohammedan miracle ever recorded in history
The good parts in Quran are only could be spotted in 75 Ayas / verses, that, in thousands of verses.
So in numbers, to say Quran is all about goodness is nothing but big old lie .

All of goodness could be found, in a web site called Skeptic's Annotate Quran.
I read it and agree with it …no good parts in Quran could be found out side of what this site posted.

Quran lovers could go on defending until they are blue in the face, Quran is mostly evil.

Once Quran worshipers realize that, then we may be , could go on to the next realization which is the need to ditch the Quran as it is and put it in Museums under the name the book of pain that no humen could fallow and still call them selves humens
We should leave the 75 parts that, are good so we could go on to creat better generations of Muslims who really will only read Quran and feel good about it when fallowed…no more misunderstandings …no more out of context …no more non sense.
Ditch the boring repetitions,the contradictions,the violence,the stupid stories, the laughable science claims, word that do not mean anything, they are their for rhyme sake, shameful sexual and rape of children …etc…etc..

That is my dream.
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fineliving
written by aaki , October 23, 2011
Keep dreaming!!!
:-)
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Aki
written by fineliving56 , October 23, 2011
I will …but it will not stay that way….it will be a reality

Just keep dreaming of Quran could stays as is

either fixed it or ditch it.

Quran is hated by most of people on this earth

Just go and read bloggers from all over the world …I never have seen and read that much well spread knowledge of Quran …not even 5 years ago.

So dream on Muslim.
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iiki matey bloke
written by duh_swami , October 23, 2011
Fine living...Ditch the boring repetitions,the contradictions,the violence,the stupid stories,

iiki...Keep dreaming!!!

Haha...Shot yourself in the foot again iiki...Don't ditch the boring repetitions, the contradictions, the violence...Keep those because without them Islam would not be Islam...

thanks for sharing that...
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D, Swami
written by fineliving56 , October 23, 2011
Good catch ….

Aki never seen it coming ….:-)
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Duuh
written by aaki , October 23, 2011
Dopey trolling fool!
"Once Quran worshipers realize that, then we may be , could go on to the next realization which is the need to ditch the Quran as it is and put it in Museums under the name the book of pain that no humen could fallow and still call them selves humens"

dream on!!!!
Oxygen thief!
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iiki screams like a wounded water buffalo...
written by duh_swami , October 23, 2011
I bet your foot hurts...
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Duuh
written by aaki , October 23, 2011
Yeah my foot hurts from planting it in your arse on a regular basis!
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iiki displays intellect...
written by duh_swami , October 23, 2011
It's easy to tell where your mind is iiki...How's life in the gutter?
I bet there are lots of gutter snipes in Yorkshire...Do you take classes or is reading the Quran enough?
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Listen up !
written by Farhan , October 23, 2011
La ilaha illAllah
Zakir Naikur Rasulullah.
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You listen up …and listen good
written by fineliving56 , October 23, 2011
Your Zakir Nakur proven to be, nothing but... lying,biased,crazy,two faced, tung forked snake ,brainwashed to the helot of a Muslim man …..there is no hope for that moron just like his prophet Muhammad .

Repeat after me …..*Zakir is makkir* ….if you understand Arabic , you would know exactly what I am saying….
you can start now ….Farahan Afandy
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@fineliving56
written by Mozlem , October 23, 2011
Exactly …..*Zakir is makkir* and he steal the book written by Ahmedis copied it and published it in his name.
He is a Wahabi stooge of saudi barbaria.
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La illaha illa shaitana muhammed rasool-us-shaitana
written by Star War , October 23, 2011
La illaha illa shaitana muhammed rasool-us-shaitana
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Moslem
written by fineliving56 , October 23, 2011
So, Zakir is a thief of other people's hard work too,
theft is added to his fine qualities

Thanks for the information …I did not know that!

He is a Pakistan who is loyal to Muslim Arabs who killed,raped,enslaved and tortured his ancestors.

Total eclipse of a mind …he is trying tirelessly to do the same to other minds.
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@fineliving56
written by balam , October 24, 2011
May I correct you?Zakir Naik is a Medical doctor by trainng.He comes from Mumbai,India.He is the follower of late Ahmed Deedat who died a horrible death.You can watch that on YOU TUBE.Zakir Naik has quite a following.He appears on PEACE T.V with his repetative propaganda .He takes no straight questions about Mohammad.He keeps quite a few bullies around.He is a fake scholar.He pretends to be a great diplomat and politician at the same time.His backers are Saudi and other middle Easters sponsoers who lack brains.His end will also be similar to Ahmed Deedat.Zaiker Naik has been banned from entering into Great Britan.A number of Fatwas have also been issued by Muslims against him.He is a great deceiver,hence a good Muslim.
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Satan
written by non believer , October 24, 2011
Who created Satan? The same humans who created God. Just like the stories,movies etc. A supposed to be good Character called God and a supposed to be bad character called Satan. One goes to a cave carves out some words on a stone slab and says "God told me all this believe or You will go to hell. One other gets afflicted by epilepsy, Schizophrenia and Megalomania and says believe me or I will kill you. No application of brains in this religious oneupmanship.
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Balam- sicko
written by aaki , October 24, 2011
"He is the follower of late Ahmed Deedat who died a horrible death.You can watch that on YOU TUBE"
what kind if person watches a person die on you tube????
Sick twat!
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Balam
written by fineliving56 , October 24, 2011
Sorry …I was under the impression he is a Pakistani dissidence. If we come to think of it Pakistan was part of India just like Bangladesh, 64 years ago, so he is an Indian any way.
I have few friends, who are sensitive about calling them Indian when they are Pakistanis or vise a versa.
But him being from India, does not change anything what he is.
Zakir caught the bug of Islam and he never recovered and now he act and says accordingly ….
I have watched a video of his sermons and one man told him Quran has about 20 grammar mistakes…He right a way denied it and avoided to answer the Questions, yet I know, in no way he would have known weather it is true or not …if he was a true scalar he would say …I like to exam it and I will get back to you.
He is what I describe him to be …sorry for that too.
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@fine living 56
written by balam , October 24, 2011
Thank you for your kind response.You should listen to Father Butros Zakria from Egypt.He is a real Scholar on Islam.The Jihadis have put a price of 60 million dollars on his head but he remains a fearless speaker on Islam.He speaks Arabic and English as well.You can get details on Internet.Dr.Robert Morey is another American Scholar on Islam.His debate with Shabir Ali is worth watching.Kind regards.Balam
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Alamgir-Hussain
written by Yibel , October 24, 2011
You state that Satan is "certainly much more elevating than the Biblical God, who sets his chosen people upon the innocent inhabitants of Canaan to commit horrendous barbarism, cruelty and genocide."

You are correct in that YHVH ordered the total extermination of whole clans and towns in the region known today as Palestine.

Sounds pretty horrible! However, the pagans who inhabitated the area were terrorists who worshiped the moon-god Sin. They practiced idolatry, bestiality, pedophilia, temple prostitution, murder of pregnant mothers, child sacrifice, human sacrifice, slavery, rape, incest, etc. These people were so diseased from their horrible sexual religion that they had become a threat to all of mankind. This clean-up of the land was a one time thing, and was required because their horrible religion was a detriment to everyone. In some places even the animals were so diseased they too had to be killed. It was for this reason that YHVH wiped out the people of Sodom centuries earlier, the eruption of the volcano Thera which killed off the cannablistic Mineons, and the eruption of Vesuvius which destroyed the decadent romans in Pompeii and Herculaneum, Italy. If you study the beliefs and practices of these people, a pattern emerges showing God's Hand delivering us from utter destruction by cruel and inhuman forces of evil.

The Qur'an also says that you must kill others; but, in this case, the order is to kill ALL non-Muslims! Worldwide. And this god Allah approves of all of the practices of the pagan god Sin. Furthermore, he orders his followers (slaves) to force everyone to join his cult, on penalty of death, and to worship him and his messenger Muhammad. Then they must also kill their neighbors, former friends, their own relatives, and even their own children who do not agree to join the cult. And so on, and so on, until what's left of the world worships lust and greed and perversion and theft and murder and rape and sex with children and animals, etc. Allah is the penultimate terrorist, and the god of terrorists!
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Another Good website
written by Satan Loving & Allah Hating , October 25, 2011
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the diseased mind of a believer
written by Alamgir-Hussain , October 25, 2011
"In some places even the animals were so diseased they too had to be killed."
I'm not sure if Yibel is joking and plainly speaking his mind. If the latter is true, then his above comment would prove how sickening the mind of a believer could be.

BTW Yibel: the God of Bible doesn't give those reasons as you have cited for those atrocities. Instead, your racist God, for His chosen people/race, wanted a to occupy a land of "milk and honey".
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written by Machmoed , October 25, 2011
However, the pagans who inhabitated the area were terrorists who worshiped the moon-god Sin. They practiced idolatry, bestiality, pedophilia, temple prostitution, murder of pregnant mothers, child sacrifice, human sacrifice, slavery, rape, incest, etc. These people were so diseased from their horrible sexual religion that they had become a threat to all of mankind. This clean-up of the land was a one time thing, and was required because their horrible religion was a detriment to everyone.

The same babble muslims or believers of monotheistic religion say when trying to justify some events in the so called holy books. It didn't happen. It's all a story with real characters, fictitious characters, exagerated and invented stories. Morality of these invented Gods as per the so called holy books is just the mirror of people's consciounce in certain times. God doesn't need existence/creation to be. He was, is and will be and is not in his created existence/creation nor does he interfere in it. If existence/creation ceased to be, He will not. We/existence/creation are His dream.
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ikii's $10 word...
written by duh_swami , October 25, 2011
Sick twat!

Please explain that term in detail... No one knows what that is...is 'twat' an Arabic word?
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More questions for aaki
written by Yibel , October 25, 2011
What kind of sick people murder other people, film said murder, and then post the video on youtube and other web sites? What kind of sick people deliberately blow themselves up in shopping malls and restaurants and buses full of people just so that they can kill lots of men, women, and children that they don't even know? What kind of people bomb school buses and slit the throats of babies? What kind of people murder their own children?

The answer is Muslims.
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Yibel
written by duh_swami , October 25, 2011
I read that in Baghdad, as soon as Saddam was gone the the porno places opened up and beheading video's were out renting the porn videos...
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ikki matey bloke
written by duh_swami , October 25, 2011
I ran a search on Quran and hadith, and the word 'twat' does not appear in any of them...Maybe I'm, looking at the wrong translations...The word 'sick' is used a few times but never associated with the word 'twat'...Is this a word that has special meaning to you? Do you think about it a lot? You don't pray to Allah about it do you? Can you explain any of this iiki, inquiring minds want to know...
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On following sick religions
written by Yibel , October 25, 2011
Yes, the pagans who inhabitated the region worshiped the moon-god Sin (and his consorts). Jericho was a cult city, as was Ai and several others, just like Makkah. And yes, the inhabitants practiced idolatry, bestiality, pedophilia, temple prostitution, murder of pregnant mothers, child sacrifice, human sacrifice, slavery, rape, incest, etc.

We know this today because these people wrote about their religious practices in cuniform on clay tablets and many of these tablets have been translated. A great deal of the material in these texts is considered to be XXX-rated.

The people living in the region (at the time of the Exodus of the Israelites from slavery in Egypt) rose to power by killing and enslaving each other on a regular basis, so what happened to them was basically "an eye for an eye" retribution. They weren't a bunch of peace-loving hippies. They were warmongers and degenerates.

The Israelites had just escaped from one tyrant-run country, where their male babies were killed and their women were enslaved, only to face an even worse situation. The rule of the day was kill or be killed. They couldn't go back to Egypt and they had no where else to go. So they girded up their loins (prepared to fight) and fight they did. The society they created was a vast improvement over the one they found, much like the situation in Israel today.

Have things changed over time? Not really. Just look at WWII. Hitler and his Nazis planned to take over the whole world by murdering those they didn't want, or like, and enslaving those who they thought were inferior. Islam has a similar plan only in this case it is the Arab who thinks he is the superior/chosen one, and the rest of mankind are the kuffar who must be killed, subjugated or converted (later to be made slaves of the Arabs).

And the kuffar today are faced with a simiar circumstance to that of the Israelites. We have no where to go. So we either gird up our loins, or we face subjugation, humiliation and eventual death or conversion. Our backs are to the wall.
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Rock, Fire, Dust
written by Yibel , October 25, 2011
According to the Qur'an, before Allah created man from a speck of dust (or clay or a clot of blood or water, depending on which Qur'an passage you read), Allah created the earth which he made flat like a bed or carpet (actually seven earths one on top of the other).

These earths float in a sea which causes them to roll back and forth, so Allah threw down some mountains, like tent pegs, to stablized the earth. Took him two days to get it right.

After that, he ascended above the earth to create the seven heavens, and he filled the lowest heaven with clouds, the moon, the sun and the stars (which are really lanterns to guide the ships at sea and the overland caravans). He also created shooting stars to chase the jinn when they try to sneak up to heaven to listen to the councils of the gods.

Note: For those who are unfamiliar with the Qur'an, jinn were created by Allah from smokeless fire and are a whole different group of beings inhabiting the earth. Some apparently cause mischief, some do not. Iblis, either an angel or a jinn, again depends on the Qur'an passage (perhaps all of Allah's angels are really jinn), aka Shaytan, refuses to worship man because he believes that the fire from which he was created is better than the dust that man was created from. Since dust puts out fire, I really can't see his point.

However, in the game Rock (Allah), Dust (man), Fire (jinn):

Dust puts out Fire, Rock covers Dust, Fire melts Rock. So it looks like Iblis (fire) destroys Allah (Rock). The rational being wins out over the irrational being. Horray!!!
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Yibel
written by Dwito , October 25, 2011
Dust puts out Fire, Rock covers Dust, Fire melts Rock. So it looks like Iblis (fire) destroys Allah (Rock). The rational being wins out over the irrational being. Horray!!!

The science tells Rock also originated from fire. So this Allah also a balm child of iblish. However, I can't understand what do ya mean by Rock covers Dust. Rock ends up in dust. so Allah shall end up as ..........!

The signal brightens!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yibel
written by duh_swami , October 26, 2011
Most of this semi-knowledge like the seven heavens for example, were probably lifted from Jews who knew, or knew about, Kaballah...The number 7 is of great interest to the Qaballist because it is the number of prime emanations coming from 'God'...The Cabalist gave them planet names according to the type and function of the emanation (see Qaballistic 'Tree of Life' for details)...It would seem that the authors of Quran, Mohammad or someone else, heard of these concepts, but did not know them in detail...In fact, all of the ideas presented in Quran that have to do with other religions and even cultures, has a lack of detailed knowledge...
When the author had no details, he/they, made some up...That's one reason the Quran seems disconnected or even silly in some parts...Or it could be that Gabriel didn't know what she was talking about, and also lacked details...Gabriel herself is misrepresented by lack of detail...The writers of Quran and hadith didn't know Gabriel is a female...The Jews of the day apparently didn't tell that to Mohammad...Certainly Gabriel didn't tell him, so Gabe is misrepresented through out...

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If bad men were born..
written by dead or alive , October 26, 2011
With horns growing out of their heads,then we can clean up this mess.
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Alamgir Hussain : Mr. Confussion
written by Walter Sieruk , October 26, 2011
Hussain is confused of the differences bewteen the God of the Bible and the god of Islam. He seems to think that they are the smae God. First, nowere in the Bible doe's God order Satan to bow down to Adam. This story is only found in the written works of Islam. Second,it should be made clear that the God of the Bible is a Trinity, Genesis 1:26:27. Matthew 3:13-17. 28:19,20. By the Trinty it means that within the essense of the one God there are Three Distinct Persons, God the Father, God the Son, God theHoly Spirit. Three Distinct Persons in One God. Otherwise known as the Tri-Personal Natural of God. In contrast, the god of the Quran/Islam is in essense a single thing, a moon god. Behind this moon-god is Satan which was the god that was behind those murderous jihadists of 9/11[NY] 7/7 [London] 29/10[Delhi]. Thrid,Mr. Hussain is very confused and lacks understanding in not seeing the difference between the One True God and the pagan moond-god/ Allah. Forth,contary to what Hussain wrote Satan is far from "innocent."
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written by Machmoed , October 28, 2011
First, nowere in the Bible doe's God order Satan to bow down to Adam. This story is only found in the written works of Islam.

Yes it's a story wich was believed by some group like some group believed the trinity and the Godly nature of Jesus and those who believed that was only a spiritual "Guide". The virgin birth is mentioned only by one writer as if the other authors thought: well, the virgin birth is not that important to mention it in a holy book. However millions and millions of people believe the virgin birth was an actual event. I know, it's ridiculous.

Believers do the same when trying to defend doctrines. Trinity is a dogma. The bible is not clear about it.
Marc 10:18: Why do you call me good, no one is good except God alone.

John 20:17: I will go to my father and your Father, to my God and your God.
etc.

What i'm trying to say is that the usage of "religion" to ridicule an other religion is beyond rationality. It's pointing to a blind man while being blind.

All are stories occured in the created and thus creations of time and space. God is neither of these since if he created everything we know (existence), then there was a point in infinity that there was no existence. He can be without existence and thus does not exist. He is.
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To Machmoed
written by Walter Sieruk , October 28, 2011
When Jesus said "Why do you call me good, no one is good except God alone." In the context this given in the gospel of John it was when a young man came to Jesus and addressed Him as "teacher." So what Jesus was answering him was a way of saying "If I'm just a teacher, a teacher and no more way call me good, for only God is good As for John 20:17 when Jesus said "my God and your God." He was reffering to God the Father the first Person in the Triune God only. Also, John 1:1-3. 20:28. and Hebrews 1:4-8. Colossians 1:15-17. shows Jesus as God and also compairing Isaiah 45:22,23 with Philippains 2:5-11 to find out that Jesus is God. Likewise, comparing Psalm 89:8,9. with Matthew 8: 23-27. to further comfirm that Jesus is God. So, Machmoeh, the Jesus of the Bible is far superior to the inferior jesus of the Quran/Islam.
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2 Walter
written by Machmoed , October 28, 2011
I qouted the bible not qur'an. Muslims also when giving them time to apologize their so called holy scriptures they do just fine wich is not the point at all. You say jews believe in the same God while they dispute your God and will not agree with you on the trinity dogma. They knew this God much earlier and yet they do not believe Jesus has anything to do with it. Who is right? Was Jesus a blasphemist? I don't know and i don't care.

Jesus of Qur'an is the arabic version of the messiah. According to revisionists there is a big chance that islam derived from a sort of christianity. That's why the earliest muslims though not called that way in that time used christian symbols as the cross and more. Islam you are talking about is from later date.
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To Machmoed
written by Archpagan , October 29, 2011
In some Jewish scripture it was stated that the Messiah will be born of a 'young woman'. Early Christians tried to claim legitimacy for Jesus Christ from that scripture. However, in the Gospel you referred, a myth was created by mistranslating the words 'young woman' as 'virgin woman'. That's all about virgin birth.

You said-"What i'm trying to say is that the usage of "religion" to ridicule an other religion is beyond rationality. It's pointing to a blind man while being blind."

Our Upanishads says exactly the same thing. ('---andhe naiva niamanah yatha andha.')
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written by duh_swami , October 29, 2011
That's all about virgin birth.

According to one researcher, the virgin birth came about like this...Joseph and Mary were members of the Essene sect, according to it's doctrine, couples were married twice...The first marriage lasts two years...the lovely couple live separately, and are only together with supervision...The wife is considered a virgin during this two years no matter her actual physical condition...No sex is allowed during this period...After the two years is up, they marry again, and are then allowed normal relations...But Joseph and Mary could not wait, they had sex and gave birth to Jesus before the first two years were up, while she was still a virgin...From that we get virgin birth...
Is this story accurate? I don't know but it is as good as most and better than some...
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To Machmoed again
written by Walter Sieruk , October 31, 2011
The resaon that most Jews find is so hard to believe in the Triune nature of God is because they have not yet accepted the New Testiment as part of God's Word. Nevertheless, they still believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Not in some moon god/Allah as the Muslims do. Eventhough Muslims are so sadly deluded to actually think that they do believe in the God that Abraham believed in. To add more to the subject of the Diety of Christ in addition to the scripture I gave in my last posting which is in contrast to the false jesus of the Quran/Islam. That Christ is God may be found in not only in the scripture of my last posting, but also in Romans 9:5. First John 5:20 and also by compairing the First Kings with Matthew 9:4. and by compairing the New Testiment by itself with Revelations 1:8. with Revelations 22:3. and also John 5:22. with Romans 9:5.
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Walter
written by Machmoed , November 01, 2011
Ah, I see Walter.

It's ok to believe that and it's ok to know that jews did not accepted the NT as a part of God's word yet. I believe that jews never will accpet it as the word of God nor would a muslim. The three abrahamic religion are in the same pool when considering the origin of it. The origin is not the creator/God but the created. As long as people believe or think that morality comkes from God, i do not take them seriously. If it was from God it means He liked the faroa's very much since the discovery of the oldest religious texts ever. Yahweh with the ten commandments has stolen these from the egyptians and that thousands of years later. Archeology doesn't lie Walter. The stories of the bible are not unique and adapted to the Middle east region. I have nothing against faith but it has to have a correlation to our existence and has to be rational. I don't believe in miracles such splitting the moon or walking on water or feed 1000 people with 2 fish. It must be symbolic wich i believe it is.
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Machmoed
written by Walter sieruk , November 01, 2011
As for what you keyboarded ,my friend, that "The stories from the Bible are not unique and adapted to the Middle East region." There are in fact other Middle "versions" of a worldwide flood. Each one with it's own version of a "Noah's Ark." All that means that all the peoples of the Middle East at some time in the past knew what happen and the real story of Noah and his Ark got changed and confused in the passing of time. Thus God was if fit to preserve the true account of what happened in His Word, The Bible.
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Walter
written by Machmoed , November 01, 2011
the peoples of the Middle East at some time in the past knew what happen and the real story of Noah and his Ark got changed and confused in the passing of time.

Yes that's true but i'm sorry the original story isn't about Noah and isn't about the God of Abraham. It's about Gilgamesh wich was 2/3 God and 1/3 human (you see the comparison with trinity yet?) and the deity Anu etc.

No Noah, no Yahweh but there is the mention of the dove exactly like in the bible. They have adapted these old stories to their region and acceptence of the society, just like muslims adapted those stories to be fit and recognized in the society of those times. Actually you are prooving me right. It was a local flood (Middle east) and only concentrated near the black and red see and scientist know that after the ice age there was a flood in that area.

The arc if true might be on mountain Ararat or hymalayas etc. but then again the ark didn't go far did it. It was build in the middle east region and it stayed there. This shows that it wasn't a mondial event at all. Like i told you before, they are just stories and if someone wants to elevate those stories to truth/reality, it's their choice but rationality and intelligence points out to an other direction.
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Machmoced
written by Walter Sieruk , November 02, 2011
The Epic of Gigamesh was indeed a very interesting story to read. So interesting, in fact, that I read a few years ago, twice over. This story did have it's own version of a Noah and a flood. There are over Miiddle East versions of a worldwide flood also. Also, there may be no doubt are an intelligent person. Nevertheless, It is still easy for an intelligent man to make the mistake of "Throwing the baby out with the bathwater" when it come to rejecting the Bible's account of Noah and the Ark as fiction along with rightly rejecting the other Mlddie East stories of their "noah an the ark" as fiction.
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Walter
written by Machmoed , November 03, 2011
Nevertheless, It is still easy for an intelligent man to make the mistake of "Throwing the baby out with the bathwater" when it come to rejecting the Bible's account of Noah and the Ark as fiction along with rightly rejecting the other Mlddie East stories of their "noah an the ark" as fiction.

I don't have to reject anything because it is not the event that is important, i can't verify it, more important is the moral and the understanding why it is written and brought like that. What i'm saying is that all those stories have their applications such as education and discipline for example but a deity had and has nothing to do with it. According to qur'an Maryem gave jesus birth under a palmtree. Ofcourse, this is miraculeus and imaginable to the arabs. These stories are not to be taken litterally and we are not supposed to.
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Machmoed
written by Walter Sieruk , November 03, 2011
We both seem to understand that the Quran is a hoax, but were we differ is on the subject is if the Bible is God's Word or not. Of course I know you probablility won't act on it. Nevertheless, there is a short booklet that was written by a former skeptic of the Bible. His name is Ralph O. Muncaster his booklet is entitied CAN YOU TRUST THE BIBLE ? It does go over a lot of material that we did't go over in our short correspondence together on this subject. It can probability be purchased at any good Christian bookstore. Furthermore, I think we are to just starting to spinn our wheels and not making much procress on this subject. What do you think ?
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Walter
written by Machmoed , November 03, 2011
What i think is this: I respect your religion cause it's not a threat to me. I like it's teachings but not it's doctrines. I cannot believe in abrahamic or any other religion as if God/source etc. had anything to do with it, wich is my point. Ofcourse you can trust the bible if you trust yourself. History however showed that some people couldn't and started abusing the bible to do what they did, while the bible (NT) doesn't encourage bad behaviour against humanity. Christians/muslims/jews have no monopoly on God. My God is different or rational speaking, i am different/unique and i like to stay that way. Jesus is a great example to follow and it is a trustworthy character except that crucifixion thing ...that you musn't follow.

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