www.islam-watch.org

Her name is very suitable of who she is …. her name means " wishes" '' hopes''

So appropriate name for a young bright women who finely woke up from sedation that Islam had her under … she is wake up and listen to Music … drove a car and defied all Muslim men and put in Jail for her troubles …

Hope [Manal ] fallowed her inner guide and started something simple, but so courageous .. I am so proud of that women and others like her … I hope she goes back to Mecca of backwardness and make it Mecca of freedom and open minded .

She reminded me of my own struggle when I was prevented from driving for long years … I won the battle in the end to have the right to drive …

the thing is … it is not about owning a car …. or driving licenses … or the act of driving … the deep or real reason of the prevention of Muslim women to be allowed to drive … * it is about the freedom the driving of a car brings which Muslim men refuse to give to their wives , sister and daughters ''

It is about the short leash men like to keep their wives, on … the shorter the leash is the tighter the control of her would be and all that will insure the honer of the family to stay intact … and all that non sense madness

Now all Manal needs is to leave Islam all together … I think she will eventually .

I love this winning story of Manal … the internet going to make many more like her …

The internet is ex Muslim maker machine … :) …

Out with the old, Omar … and in with the new, Manal .

I do not know? … that is the third post in the row has gone …

They do come back … eventually

Those are the activities of the people with faith in the freak religion, in the land the religion was born and nutured over the last 1400-plus years without any deviation from the founder's practices.

This is the first time I have come across a sane muslim women talking sense. It is certainly heartening to all civilised people ; but certainly not to muslims like Zakir Naik, Malem, razhak, abc, et al. If there are more women like her , islam will wither away into oblivion and civilisations will flourish.

very good.

jai kafir hind

Surely not, this woman has it all wrong. Our friends and allies the Saudis opressing people, our friends of Israel and helpers of human rights in Bahrain.
salt if the earth is the Saudi regime, we did the largest arms deal with them in history last year. I mean the Saudis are our friends, allies, brethren.
The woman must be wrong!!!

Really and truly ABC, the more you see and hear the never ending crazy shit done in the name of your "religion", you can't convince me that you are THAT stupid not to question EVERY SINGLE THING it does and stands for...!!

YOU are not that dumb...!!!

If I were a member of a group...any group...and that group had a faction that did the offensive things that are done by muslims...I would get out of that group "in the twinkling of an eye..."

What are you doing supporting such an ideology...???????????
THINK and LEAVE....

So, it is always someone else.
9/11 was an insiders job!!!!!!
Attacks on mumbai was mossad-raw conspiracy.!!!!!!
Floods in Pakistan was a Hindu-Jew conspiracy!!!!!!!
Saudi women can't drive because USA sells them arms!!!!!!
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO REACT.

@FINELIVINGS.
You are right, it is about owning a car and having the freedom to drive it at will.
But , it is also about being an individual,
Being one's own self, without being told by others, what you can do and what not.
It is also about being a human not just a FEMALE created to serve and fulfill lust of an animal called your husband.

You don't know how to react! Truth has a way of knocking out falsehood!
Ask the Saudi/Bahraini protestors face? Who want their basic rights!
Live rounds-made in USA
Tear gas cannisters-made in the USA
Apv's, tanks, helicopter gunships, water cannons-made in the USA.
Because the Saudis are our friends allies and buddies.
It does not matter about human rights.
We scored an eighty billion dollar deal!

While I see the point "ABC" makes, how does this in any way justify the BEST society ISLAM could bring forth in all this time since MohamMAD! Saudi Arabia were a woman at the age of over 30 still can not marry the man she wants, without the approval of her Father? Saudi Arabia a country were it took 8 years to write into the law that uncovered girls may LEAVE A building when it BURNS! Because at one incident 16 "uncovered schoolgirls" were prevented from leaving a burning school because in the terror of fire they FORGOT to take the BURKA or Head-coverings with them!

Yet ABC's reaction is telling: the woman must be lying! Again even if the Saudis are considered the partners why should her story not be true? What has the one got to do with the other?

"Yet ABC's reaction is telling: the woman must be lying! Again even if the Saudis are considered the partners why should her story not be true? What has the one got to do with the other?"

My response was sarcastic.
The house of saud needs to be torn down like gadaffis and mubaraks!

Abc …does that to avert the conversation from Islam religion to politics .. it is his way of obfuscate like he always does …

He was good on pointing out things with Omar Article … but he comes here and mix a Muslim women awaking from the indolence of Islam in Saudi and make it as oil problem …

Yes of course …. yah right .. Preventing women to drive have eeeverything to do with west need of Oil and the west patronizing relationship with saudi Arabia for keep that oil coming .

ABC … is so transparent

as usual there appears to confusion in your mind regarding whether its an elbow or your arse. I will make it simple for you.
We the uk need to stop playing around with the Saudi regime and make them open up and allow the people to have basic human rights.
The reason we are not doing that is because of £££££.
If we opened up Saudi society them the things sister manal talks of would not happen!! Obfuscate that! :-)

Notice … how abc does not address his opinion weather women should have the right to drive or not in Saudi !! …

Or his opinion if Muslim people have more rights then non Muslims … if that is acceptable to him or should be acceptable to him and all Muslims .

nothing of the sort forthcoming …

Fineliving! Sorry I can't draw a picture for you!

You say that the Saudi needs to "open" up, when one can see that the same SICK religion is spreading in Europa. So tell me, is a woman clad in a Burka running around in London a prime example that she is FREE from a STUPID RELIGION?
Why are Afghan Muslims not FREE? Nothing OTHER than ISLAM prevents the people to be free, this is something people like you should contemplate and reflect about.
You "honor" a concept; I repeat "A CONCEPT" of a deity steeped in FOOLISHNESS! Your "allah" is so real like "Ruebezahl, the Easterbunny or the "Toothfairy" are "real"
It is not the political system that is primarily the problem, but the RELIGIOUS IDEAS which drive it, seen all over the Islamic world.

Your answered with no answer … that is fine

We understand you perfectly …

I am just going to take your no- answer answer about that, and go ahead and say ..you agree with Omar, non Muslims are NOT as equal as Muslims and actually indorse such unfair rules … unless you come out and say differently .

You are hoping Saudi will open up to letting women drive and have the basic humen right ..I am Glad for that …

now all you have to do is convince all the backward male chauvinists %#* men to do the same in Saudi Arabia … to let their women to breath the freedom … we women have as much right as as any men in everything

It looks like women over their, are not waiting around to do something about …

Finally … finally … women In Saudi Arabia are waking up … I have been waiting for that for long time ….. believe me Abc … it is not going to stop at taking back their humen right … they are going to ditch Islam to the curb …

While I applaud this woman's courage, real courage and commonsense requires her to denounce Islam. Islam is pure evil and cannot be reformed. It is the one pig's ear which cannot be anything but a pig's ear. Of course, I invite Muslim barrows to argue my points but strictly for the entertainment value of it all.

if they don't liberalize and democratise??

I thought Manal was talking about a good bit of liberty that existed in Saudi Arabia after the British helped found the Saudi Kingdom. Then Islam came in and wiped it out one step at a time.

My friend abc,

Do you wish to live in Saudi Arabia near prophet Muhammad?

Why your father left his family friends and country to live in the kafir land?

Why your father wants to raise his child abc in the west?

brave girl,hope jihadis dont chop her up and bury her in desert.

Maybe a history lesson is due.
Give it some thought

Memri TV … has shown a video from a women, who has been shown to be harassed and being kicked out of a Mall in Saudi by thugs [ Muslim men ] who call them selves '' good'' Muslim who are fallowing Muhammad the fake prophet to each and every sick teachings …

The reason for the harassment was for the unforgivable crime of ** coming to the Mall with NAIL POLISH PAINTED on her nails

The women being very defiant was heard telling the Saudi man :

'' Is it NOT your business …leave me alone … you have no right to kick me out … ….the government instructed you only to advise us women.. but you have to let us make our own choices in a trivial thing like putting on a nail polish …. I am not leaving!!! … what you are going to do about it !!!…. I am filming it all and it is going to be on twitter and facebook … '' .

hahaha…. then the two men clad in the comical Saudi head dress and Glabia …[ the Arabic men dress ]… with their black beard and their intimidating manner towered the women, had to actuly go out to talk to security on the ever so SERIOUS matter of a Muslim women's painted nails … hahaha

The video ended without knowing if the women was really kicked out or sent to Jail … or may be received 10 slashes …

I said in my other post …. I am so hopeful that women are NOT taking this garbage the Muslim men are dishing out …

The prophet **internet** hahaha ….going to convert the minds of all Arabs and all Muslims … I can not wait …

you post on the other article and you want an answer here?

xyz
written by abc, May 25, 2012
you post on the other article and you want an answer here?

abc You can give the answer here.

Do you wish to live in Saudi Arabia close to prophet Muhammad?

Why your father left his country family and friends to live in a kafir land?

Why your father preffered to raise you in the kafir land?

Why cannot Muslims migrate to Saudi Arabia or any other Islamic country even if they WISH to?

Once I heard a story which went like this:

Interviewer: Delhi to Mumbai is 700 Km, how old am I ?

Job seeker: 42 years.

- How is that?

- I have a brother who is half-mad, and so--.

You have to remember it, while dealing with Abc.

I have no desire to live anywhere else apart from home.
If you bothered to read the posts on the other article you would know that it wasnt my father who moved here.
Security and oppertunity was the reason for the move. Just like the hindus and sikhs from india and kenya and the afro caribbeans from the islands.
If you are skilled enough then you can move to wherever you like.

http://www.time.com/time/speci...32,00.html

She will make abc feel jealous at least.....

More winds of change herehttp://www.arabnews.com/column...dependence

You fancy your so-called Islamic civilization to be the best of all civilization as you only follow Allah's message. Then, why don't you create conditions in your Islamic countries, so that infidels flock to your countries for 'security and better opportunities' and you easily convert them to the way of Allah? Rather, you are managing yourself in a way so that infidels take over your country and create conditions for better security and opportunity. Are you really following the correct message of Allah?

We the uk need to stop playing around with the Saudi regime and make them open up and allow the people to have basic human rights.

My comment above was referring to this quoted opinion of yours. I just reworded what you wanna say. If anything, it's you who need a history lesson.

"I thought Manal was talking about a good bit of liberty that existed in Saudi Arabia after the British helped found the Saudi Kingdom. Then Islam came in and wiped it out one step at a time"
I was responding to your above statement.
Since the Saudi family took over the planes of hijaz is when rights were thrown out.

xyz
written by abc, May 25, 2012
I have no desire to live anywhere else apart from home.
If you bothered to read the posts on the other article you would know that it wasnt my father who moved here.
Security and oppertunity was the reason for the move. Just like the hindus and sikhs from india and kenya and the afro caribbeans from the islands.
If you are skilled enough then you can move to wherever you like.

This is kid dish abc. No one wants to live away from home but economical and security situations force people to leave home friend and family like your ancestors did. If you were living in an Islamic country you would never say that instead you would have your bags ready to re locate.

And you know very well kafir countries are the best to migrate for all the reasons.

You would realize all this if you were born in an Islamic country. I will not blame you kid.

I was responding to your above statement.
Since the Saudi family took over the planes of hijaz is when rights were thrown out.

That's not what is Manal's experience. She was talking about 1970s and early 1980s when there was some degree of liberty in Saudi Arabia. Then Islamization came in and liberty and freedom went out the window.

OK, let's agree. And you said, "uk need to stop playing around with the Saudi regime and make them open up". So, should we threaten the Saudis to liberalize and democratize, or invade?

I can't answer hypotheticals. If I was born in an country with majority Muslims then I would want to migrate? No idea! Never even crossed my mind.
But that was not what you were asking was it?
Just to remove any doubts.
I wouldn't move to the Arabian peninsula including Dubai, I wouldn't move to north America, most of continental Europe, the two poles, or south Asia for that matter.
I'm home and that's as good as it gets!

Let's not beat around the bush! The Saudi kingdom was created in Whitehall London long before the house of saud knew about it. We (uk) created Saudi Arabia and we hold massive sway within the kingdom! We should use our political and non political levers to let Saudi Arabia know that their behaviour is unacceptable and if the continue down this route of opression then we (uk) will withdraw our support.
That should sober up the drunk Saudi royals!

"I can't answer hypotheticals. If I was born in an country with majority Muslims then I would want to migrate? No idea! Never even crossed my mind. "

Because you are not born in majority Muslim country. Also I am sure you do not know that no gulf country gives citizenship to outsiders including Saudi Arabia.

You should be thankful to god and your ancestors that you are born in kafir country.

You are a person who wish to live in a glass house but propagating to others that a mud house is the best. You propagate that Muhammad is your ideal person but you don't want to go to his land.

What should I call you. A kid. You have to get out of your pond to see the real world my son.

'You are a person who wish to live in a glass house but propagating to others that a mud house is the best. You propagate that Muhammad is your ideal person but you don't want to go to his land.'

Thank you for your above comments.

No body gives you respect and freedom unless you demand and fight for that.I have no sympathy for Muslim women because like STOCHOLM SYNDROME,they like to remain under subjugation.When they come to the West where women enjoy full freedom,these Muslim women still want to wear Burka to hide their ugliness.Muslim homes are like 'HOUSE OF HORROR' with family feuds.But it is all covered up to save the good name of Islam.If a Muslim has extra marital sex then have you ever heard of HONOUR KILLING of that man?The change can only come through the Muslim women who should openly speak against oppressive Islam and renounce that CULT OF MOHAMMAD.

Spoken like a true Christian! Jesus would be proud!

Ps for your next hateful rant please add that that are descendants of gog magogand they eat their children!!

Speaking of Gog and Magog :-)

18:   94 They said: "O Zul-qarnain! the Gog and Magog (People) do great mischief on earth: shall we then render thee tribute in order that thou mightest erect a barrier between us and them?  95He said: "(The power) in which my Lord has established me is better (than tribute): Help me therefore with strength (and labour): I will erect a strong barrier between you and them:   96 "Bring me blocks of iron." At length, when he had filled up the space between the two steep mountain-sides, He said, "Blow (with your bellows)" Then, when he had made it (red) as fire, he said: "Bring me, that I may pour over it, molten lead."   97 Thus were they made powerless to scale it or to dig through it.   98 He said: "This is a mercy from my Lord: But when the promise of my Lord comes to pass, He will make it into dust; and the promise of my Lord is true."   99 On that day We shall leave them to surge like waves on one another: the trumpet will be blown, and We shall collect them all together.   100 And We shall present Hell that day for Unbelievers to see, all spread out,-

Now either the "promise of the Lord" did indeed come to pass and this wall got reduced to dust, or MuahamMAD once again relied on other peoples lore, after all this story was lifted from Jewish oral tradition, like so much of other stuff. This Wall can NOT be found on this planet. Nowhere And what was at MuahamMAD's time considered the people of "Gog and "Magog" became Muslims, now living in modern Turkey... The people of Gog and Magog are just as fictitious as the Palestinians...

Of course out of 1.000 people 999 will go to hell and one will be of the Muslims, the 999 are all coming from Gog and Magog..... So I as Austrian will be lucky as I'm not from the people of Gog and Magog...

We the uk need to stop playing around with the Saudi regime and make them open up and allow the people to have basic human rights.

I couldn't believe my eyes when I read it. Do you as a Muslim really want infidels to meddle in the interior business of Muslim country? Don't you people complain enough already that all and every problem in your society happen because of US, West, evil Jews impose their will on you? And after that you expect "dirty kafir"s to undermine our own interests to better you lives? To gain what? As much appreciation that we have from Afgans, Egypt, Pakistan and countless other Muslims in which conflicts we already been involved? Hell, NO!!!
You people made your bed, now sleep in it. You want Islam, live under its iron tumb. You want liberty and human rights - fight for it. Just like people in the west did it. All we need from you is oil. And I sincerely hope not for a long.
And what human rights are you talking about? Muslims don't need human rights. They have "laws of God" which should be followed to a letter. And this is what kingdom of Sauds is all about. The most Islamic of all Islam, keepers of Mecca and such.
This is so Muslim, always put a blame on somebody else!
Here is another solution - pray to Allah to give your people some freedom!
I am afraid it won't help either, because Islam is not about freedom. It's about submission. And this is what Muslims have - eternal slavery.

I loved the great comment of Annad above.

And ABC, you are again suggesting that infidels are to be criticised but Muslims are victims of infidels. But that means in my perspective that you consider the UK infidels in the past and present to be capable of change, like adult sane humans.

But apparantly do not see the past and present Muslims as capable of much change, as you do not hold them as much responsible as you do the UK-infidels.

Even if your argument is that the UK-infidels are stronger, more advanced, then you should ask why Islam failed, in 1400 years, the strongest, most advanced countries.

Thanks for the laughs! thankfully everybody can see you guys coming.

Well, there is freedom of speech here. In the past there wasn't. Then the Islamic reaction to what people write in this forum, like Annad and me would have been violent. With death, torture, incarceration. And intimidation of all others.

But now? Muslims like ABC resort to reactions of contempt, telling us that they laugh at us, that we "can be seen to be coming".

We notice this is no refutation of the message with evidence and logic, but the attempt by one of the Muslims, to discourage debate, with ad hominems, ridicule of the messengers. Who should not matter. But it is all the now powerless Muslims are left with. In a world where they are no longer capable of suppressing free speech with violence.

What's the point of refuting stupidity?
Stay ignorant. It's all good!

There, that is the level you keep being stuck at; Ad hominem. Look, when people are not interested in a topic, they should just say so, admitting that the other person may well be right, but that they just don't know.

But what you, ABC, do, is judging my posts, as a laughing matter and as stupidity. Without responding with arguments. You show weakness, you show desire to stop, discourage debates. Therefore, for a rational person I won this short round and you lost it.

Of course you did!!!!
What's the weather on your planet??

Thanks for the laughs! thankfully everybody can see you guys coming.

This statement of yours make no sense whatsoever, unless this is your admission of defeat which I appreciate. Has nothing else to add, hasn't you?
And all of your other cheap stunts - personal insults and etc. - not impressive abc, not at all.
All in all, I am happy that zombie poisoned by evil doctrine of Islam is capable of laughing at anything other than people being executed according to Sharia rules.

Stay ignorant. It's all good!

who knows better than you, right?

Why did they have to invent the automobile!

Compliments on your humor, ABC.

I may have been arrogant declaring victory. But I assume you do not laugh at your own comments or considered them stupid. So I assume you consider your own comments superior to mine and that is arrogant too.

I want you to know that I first of all want Moslims to consider Islam NOT NECESSARILY BETTER than other ways of life and to let these other ways of life exist under the full democratic system together with them. Instead of striving for world-hegemony and supremacy and destroying these other ways of life.

Only with good arguments can we try to convince Muslims that our lifestyle may be better than theirs and then only about parts of it.

Otherwise I should be humble and realise that I and my lifestyle too are very imperfect.

In future try to argue more in place of only offering judgements.

I'm gonna assume you are Hindu and Indian so I can make any examples relavent to you. Do you really think that "infidels" have not meddled in everybodys business! Do you see the world as "infidel and non infidel"??
Do you not think that the average joe on the street has a point when they say that the leaders have been placed by external influences?? Saudi Arabia??
"our interests" who is our???
England after empire has used the policy of " we have no friends or allies but mutual interests".
After all it was us in the UK who created the east India trading company. Practically robbed you blind and left you third world.
Yet here you are in a world that consists of two parts infidell and non infidell.

Zombie???
I am here on this website and most of the time I argue the opposite of the folks here and I am the zombie???
oh the irony!

http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/...d-1.643431

You seem to talk some sense : the british robbed in all their colonies , especially in their "jewel in the crown" India. So what ? All invaders who came to India were plunderers, looters, marauderers , rapists etc . Whether it is Alexander "the great" , the Huns, the muslims from Central Asia, from Iran, from Saudi Arabia(Mohamed Qasim), Afghanistan etc (the Ghoris, Ghaznis, Khiljis, etc. Or for that the moghuls from Uzbekistan and Samarkand. All these bastyards came only because India was known for its fabulous wealths - gold and precious jewels,etc. Why single out the British ? The British also gave back something in the form of education, railways, administration, revived hindu-culure and philosophy that was lying burried because of the barbaric muslim invaders. The hindus revived because of the opportunities that were available to them to flourish. This would have been impossible under muslims who would stifle hindus with their sharia laws, barbaric practices,imposing "jizzya" the protection money that would snuff out all enterprise, forcibly rape hindu women or "marry" beautiful hindu women at the point of sword and commit all attrocities that are now visible in Pakistan and Afghanistan. So we hindus are not totally againts the British inspite of the racist attitudes and arrogance , it was nothing compared to the dark misery of muslim rule in India for over 700 years.

I am not against the europeans on racist grounds. There are many of them that are above such racist idealogies . But I am certainly against their churches, evangelical orders and other denomination which go about debunking other cultures claiming to have monopoly over "truth" . It is so vulgar and crass when they procalim that "jeus is the only way to heaven" or such nonsense and tell a hindu or a jain or a budhist to their face that "you will go to hell if you do not give up all your beliefs and become a christian" ; they certainly do not have the courage to do the same to a muslim , because of the consequence that would be a brutal reprisal. But we are far more civilised and just shrug it off .This ugly face of christianity is what puts me off - intolerance and an attitude that " if you are not with us you are against us" syndrome.

I was just trying to point out to annad that the world is not just balck and white.
its not just us vs them. I know the history of my country england. We messed up just about everyone on the planet give or take during our empire days.
However England has moved on and has done some work to make ammends.
America is yet to learn the lessons.
So for annad to prattle on about how the west is sperior ideaologically and materially than the east and not take FACTS into accounts is unfair to say the least.

Saif Ul-Islam , May 27, 2012
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In the end there are more of US than there is of YOU. and we will WIN. Inshallah.
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Well it seem at least ONE of your brothers in faith think differently, or what about the concept of US vs them finding its expression in the house of War and house of Islam? Tell me which third option is there for a Non-Muslim like myself?

"We messed up just about everyone on the planet give or take during our empire days."

If by "We" you mean good 'ol Allah and ITS Army of Locusts - the Al-Mu'minum, both human and jinn - then you are partly correct. Islam has, indeed, messed up the planet everywhere IT has gone. IT is currently working on messing up the rest of the planet. Islam is like an invasive noxious weed which is trying to infest the entire world with ITS vile presence in order to smoother out all that is good, beautiful, kind, and decent.

"Practically robbed you blind and left you third world." But Britian left India with a legal system, democracy, a parlimentary system, a railroad, educated Indians, and the English language. AND Hindus who are in charge, NOT muslims. Is that why you are knocking Britain, abc? And blaming Britain for ALL the world's problems? Not very patriotic of you, is it? Unless Dar al-Islam is your REAL country? Oh, that's right, IT is!!!

"Stay ignorant. It's all good!" Who knows better than YOU, right? So, have you taken YOUR meds today, abc? And what's the weather on YOUR planet??

Quick check to see if I'm banned today???

The posts are going through ok.
Hey if it isn't the undefeated son of god! How is the old man today? The chosen one kind of like the golden child huh! By we I mean England.
Did that confuse you again?? Might have to call bundy pig and he can post some pictures for you!

Sure after we stole the booty and there was loads to steal, we then administered our duty! It was all the rage back then. France was in on the colony action too.
Blame? Who are you going to blame? History is history.
I know you read alot of revisionist history but please don't try to rewrite Indian history.
Infact please do, it would be fun watching vbv use you like a rag doll.
No meds and weather is good!

I was just trying to point out to annad that the world is not just balck and white.

According to islam (Allah) there is dar alislam and dar alharb. So according to your religion there is just black or white. Believer or kafir...that's all there is. I respect your view of the world not being black and white though. Would you lecture Allah about this and maybe he will send an other qur'an. Thanks in advance!

Righteous Qur'an
Al-Hujurât

13. O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honourable of you with Allâh is that (believer) who has At-Taqwa. Verily, Allâh is All-Knowing, All-Aware.


Done!

I am afraid … it is not Done !!

Quran does Discriminate between Muslims and non Muslims … and Shiak Omar eddmited to that as Quran and shariah orders as we all know by now except Muslim minds .

Not just that … Quran discimnate between RICH , light skinned Muslims and a POOR dark skined [ black ] Muslim … and here it is in black and white [ the pun in intended ]

Quran …Sura Al nahil … the bees … 16/75

'' … Allah brings forword the case [ of two men ] one , a slave [ Abid means a black man ] under the control of another , he the slave, black man ] has no power at all . and the [ the other ] a man we granted so many favors from our selves and he spends from them privately and publicly : ** THEN ARE THE TWO MEN **EQUAL**…. "

Aya 16/ 76 after that 75 … is no better … it tells…. how a mute [Abkam ] man who is poweless and he is nothing to offer but tiresome burdon on his master … the mute who brings nothing good "' [ so Allah asks '' Is such a man EQUALS TO THE ONE WHO IS JUSTLY AND IS ON THE RIGHT PATH ???? '' … you see Allah ? …

As we can see … how many things are wrong with these two Ayas … and how , the discrimination between rich and poor …normal and mute … black and whiter in so clear in Quran .